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Obama Poll Watch -- January, 2017

[ Posted Friday, January 20th, 2017 – 17:06 PST ]

Obama's Final Honeymoon Ends Well

America now has a new president, meaning (among other things) it is time to take one final look back at the presidency of Barack Obama. The chart is now complete on the public's opinion of how President Obama performed his duties, and his final "honeymoon" period not only continued during January, it actually improved considerably.

Without further ado, let's take a look at the final Obama monthly average poll ratings.

Obama Approval -- January 2017

[Click on graph to see larger-scale version.]

January, 2017

Obama's final month in office began strong, got stronger, and then shot even further upwards at the very end. All in all, a pretty impressive performance considering this "month" covers less than three weeks. [A technical note before I begin: today's figures from RealClearPolitics.com were only available through January 18th, so Obama's final numbers may wind up being slightly better when the last two days are added in to the data.]

Obama leaves office with a higher monthly average job approval rating than he has seen since his first honeymoon period. Not only is he now at a higher rate than for his entire second term (including his entire second honeymoon), he's at a higher point than at any time since the summer of 2009.

Obama's monthly job approval rose a half a point to end up at 54.3 percent. Obama's monthly job disapproval rating fell an even larger 0.9 percent, to end up at only 41.1 percent. His daily average approval was even more impressive, moving from 53.1 percent at the start of the month to a whopping 57.4 at the end. That's a jump of 4.3 percent, which Obama hasn't seen at any time during his second term. His daily average job disapproval fell at a more modest rate, from 41.9 at the start of the month down to 39.3 percent at the end of his term in office. These numbers, again, could even improve when the data from the final two days is posted.

Four of the most recent individual polls show why. In two of the polls, Obama registered 62 percent job approval, and in the other two 60 percent. His job disapproval in these polls ranged from 36 percent to 39 percent. That's a pretty strong finish, folks.

 

Overall Trends

Now, almost every outgoing president gets a certain final bounce in the polls, it should be mentioned (in all fairness). Even George W. Bush saw his numbers tick up at the very end (from 25.3 percent approval to 29.3 percent), so this is a normal occurrence. Even so, Obama's final months in office cap off a pretty spectacular final year in office in the polling. By some measures, Obama is actually doing better the day he leaves office than Dwight D. Eisenhower. That's pretty impressive, since Eisenhower never once fell below 50 percent job approval for his entire two terms in office. He fluctuated between 50 and 80 percent, setting a record that has yet to be matched by anyone. But in his final months, he was only at 59 percent approval -- lower than those four recent Obama polls.

But since we don't have to pay any attention to future trends (as we normally do in this section), let's instead take a look at Obama's performance overall. Since this will be the final installment of the Obama Poll Watch series of columns, I also wanted to include a slightly-annotated version of Obama's complete chart, which helps mark some important and influential events during Obama's two terms in office. So here is the same chart as above, with a few notes for context.

Obama Approval -- January 2017

Barack Obama spent most of his initial political capital getting the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act passed. It was a grueling exercise that all but consumed the first year and a half of his presidency. Right at the end of this period, the BP oil volcano erupted in the Gulf of Mexico, which meant night after night (and week after week) of videos on the news of a situation that was just completely out of anyone's control. Not exactly the best optics any president hopes for, to put it mildly.

This all pushed Obama's approval rating down below 50 percent, and by the 2010 midterm elections he was "underwater" for the first time, with his disapproval rating higher than approval. An interesting footnote is that no matter what happened at the ballot box, Obama consistently got a clear post-election bounce after every election he presided through. His approval rating jumped upwards after the 2010 Tea Party "shellacking," and then he got a short-lived boost when the death of Osama Bin Laden was announced.

This was followed by another down period, as the Tea Partiers vented their anger from their newly-won congressional seats. Obama's second presidential campaign was a lot tougher than his first, as throughout 2012 his job approval and disapproval matched up almost perfectly. Finally, towards the end of the summer, Obama did convince a majority of Americans to support him once again, leading to his second post-election bounce -- his "second honeymoon."

This one was a lot shorter and milder than his first, as you can see. He just barely got above 53 percent approval after being re-elected, but then saw his numbers take their deepest dive yet. Which brings us to our final detail chart, showing Obama's second term with an expanded scale (to better see the trends).

Obama (detail)

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Obama's numbers tumbled in early 2013, as Congress proved to be as intransigent as ever. By autumn, Obama momentarily seemed to stabilize at around 44 percent approval, but then he got hit with a double-whammy: the weeks-long government shutdown, followed by the disastrous rollout of the HealthCare.gov website. This sent his job approval to the nadir of his entire presidency -- 41.4 percent average monthly approval, and a daily average that even slipped (for a single day) below 40 percent (39.8, on December 2, 2013).

Obama would eventually recover from this slump, but it took a very long time and it wasn't without setbacks. In the first half of 2014, Obama crawled back up to 44 percent approval, only to see it fall right back during the midterm election campaign (which was just as brutal as the 2010 midterm was). However, as noted, Obama has always gotten a nice bounce after all elections, no matter what the results turned out to be.

Obama rode this bounce up to around 45 percent approval, where he stayed for a solid year. These weren't numbers to brag about in any way, but they were decidedly better than what he went through in 2014.

Then the 2016 presidential campaign got underway in earnest, and Obama started up a very steep path to a very impressive finish. Since the end of 2015, Obama has gained 10.6 percent in job approval and seen his job disapproval fall by 10.3 percent. That is an amazing year for any president, and it is clear that the closer we got to choosing his replacement, the more the American public decided they were going to miss President Obama.

Obama finishes his second term 13.2 percent above water -- better than at any point since July, 2009. While he didn't match his initial stratospheric ratings (few presidents do), his final year's numbers seem assured to guarantee his legacy will be remembered fondly by the public.

A few final notes are necessary before I close out this eight-year-long column series. First, thanks to everyone who has either been reading from the beginning (the first of these columns ran in March of 2009) or just noticed it recently. When I started writing these, the polling information on the web was nowhere near as accessible as it now is, so I thought I'd do my own poll-tracking, choosing a monthly rolling average "poll of polls" to smooth out the spikes to a readable level. The graphs are pretty amateur, I fully admit, but it has certainly been interesting to track this stuff on a daily basis (as gathering data for the columns forced me to do).

I do not intend to put in this level of effort for Donald Trump. Perhaps its my own political bias, or perhaps it is because charts like these are a lot easier to find on the web now, but for whatever reason, I will only occasionally be chiming in on Trump's ratings. It's somewhat unfair, but Trump's current rating of 41.1 percent approval is actually lower than any of Obama's monthly marks (Obama's low point was 41.4 percent). That's a pretty dismal start, but again out of fairness I have to point out that there simply are no "job approval" numbers for Trump yet, because it is impossible for the public to have an opinion on the presidential job he's doing before he actually takes the oath of office. Personal approval ratings are not the same as job approval ratings, in other words. We'll see real job approval numbers start to come in for Trump in the next few weeks, and those are really the only measure that is comparable to any other president. But I don't expect them to improve all that dramatically in a few weeks' time, personally.

My final thought on Obama's completed job approval chart is that Obama truly lived up to the "No Drama Obama" label. For his entire presidency, his job approval numbers stayed between his initial high of over 63 percent down to his low of 41 percent. That's actually a very tight range, historically. George W. Bush saw his approval shoot up to over 85 percent (right after 9/11) but then absolutely collapse to a low of 25 percent (a dismal range only Richard Nixon had previously seen). So even though Obama's final chart has its ups and downs, he actually charted a historically steady course in the public's view for his entire eight years in office. And Barack Hussein Obama left office exactly as he began -- on a very high note indeed.

 

[Obama Poll Watch Data:]

Sources And Methodology

ObamaPollWatch.com is an admittedly amateur effort, but we do try to stay professional when it comes to revealing our sources and methodology. All our source data comes from RealClearPolitics.com; specifically from their daily presidential approval ratings "poll of polls" graphic page. We take their daily numbers, log them, and then average each month's data into a single number -- which is then shown on our monthly charts here (a "poll of polls of polls," if you will...). You can read a much-more detailed explanation of our source data and methodology on our "About Obama Poll Watch" page, if you're interested.

Questions or comments? Use the Email Chris page to drop me a private note.

 

Note: Because this is the final column in this series, I'm providing all the data below for both of Obama's terms in office, for easy comparison.

 

Obama's Second Term Statistical Records

Monthly
Highest Monthly Approval -- 12/16 -- 54.3%
Lowest Monthly Approval -- 11/13 -- 41.4%

Highest Monthly Disapproval -- 12/13 -- 54.0%
Lowest Monthly Disapproval -- 12/16 -- 41.1%

Daily
Highest Daily Approval -- 1/17/17 -- 57.4%
Lowest Daily Approval -- 12/2/13 -- 39.8%

Highest Daily Disapproval -- 12/2/13 -- 55.9%
Lowest Daily Disapproval -- 1/18/17 -- 39.3%

 

Obama's First Term Statistical Records

Monthly
Highest Monthly Approval -- 2/09 -- 63.4%
Lowest Monthly Approval -- 10/11 -- 43.4%

Highest Monthly Disapproval -- 9/11, 10/11 -- 51.2%
Lowest Monthly Disapproval -- 1/09 -- 19.6%

Daily
Highest Daily Approval -- 2/15/09 -- 65.5%
Lowest Daily Approval -- 10/9/11 -- 42.0%

Highest Daily Disapproval -- 8/30/11 -- 53.2%
Lowest Daily Disapproval -- 1/29/09 -- 19.3%

 

Obama's Second Term Raw Monthly Data

[All-time high in bold, all-time low underlined.]

Month -- (Approval / Disapproval / Undecided)
01/17 -- 54.3 / 41.1 / 4.6
12/16 -- 53.8 / 42.0 / 4.2
11/16 -- 52.9 / 44.0 / 3.1
10/16 -- 51.7 / 45.4 / 2.9
09/16 -- 50.5 / 46.4 / 3.1
08/16 -- 51.3 / 44.9 / 3.8
07/16 -- 49.6 / 46.7 / 3.7
06/16 -- 50.0 / 46.2 / 3.8
05/16 -- 48.8 / 47.3 / 3.9
04/16 -- 48.6 / 47.2 / 4.2
03/16 -- 48.4 / 47.4 / 4.2
02/16 -- 46.3 / 49.6 / 4.1
01/16 -- 45.5 / 50.2 / 4.3
12/15 -- 43.7 / 51.6 / 4.7
11/15 -- 44.4 / 51.3 / 4.3
10/15 -- 45.3 / 50.0 / 4.7
09/15 -- 45.6 / 50.3 / 4.1
08/15 -- 44.7 / 50.4 / 4.9
07/15 -- 45.7 / 50.0 / 4.3
06/15 -- 44.6 / 50.7 / 4.7
05/15 -- 45.4 / 50.0 / 4.6
04/15 -- 45.2 / 49.9 / 4.9
03/15 -- 44.9 / 50.8 / 4.3
02/15 -- 45.4 / 50.1 / 4.5
01/15 -- 44.8 / 50.5 / 4.7
12/14 -- 42.4 / 52.8 / 4.8
11/14 -- 42.0 / 53.4 / 4.6
10/14 -- 42.1 / 53.4 / 4.5
09/14 -- 41.5 / 53.5 / 5.0
08/14 -- 41.6 / 53.0 / 5.4
07/14 -- 41.8 / 53.6 / 4.6
06/14 -- 42.4 / 53.4 / 4.2
05/14 -- 44.0 / 51.7 / 4.3
04/14 -- 43.4 / 52.1 / 4.5
03/14 -- 42.9 / 52.8 / 4.3
02/14 -- 43.3 / 52.3 / 4.4
01/14 -- 42.7 / 52.7 / 4.6
12/13 -- 41.9 / 54.0 / 4.1
11/13 -- 41.4 / 53.9 / 4.7
10/13 -- 44.2 / 50.8 / 5.0
09/13 -- 43.9 / 50.8 / 5.3
08/13 -- 44.4 / 50.2 / 5.4
07/13 -- 45.3 / 49.2 / 5.5
06/13 -- 46.5 / 48.5 / 5.0
05/13 -- 48.3 / 46.9 / 4.8
04/13 -- 48.6 / 46.8 / 4.6
03/13 -- 48.5 / 46.3 / 5.2
02/13 -- 51.1 / 43.1 / 5.9
01/13 -- 52.7 / 42.6 / 4.7

 

Obama's First Term Raw Monthly Data

Month -- (Approval / Disapproval / Undecided)
01/13 -- 52.7 / 42.6 / 4.7
12/12 -- 53.1 / 42.8 / 4.1
11/12 -- 50.6 / 46.7 / 2.7
10/12 -- 49.4 / 47.8 / 2.8
09/12 -- 49.1 / 47.6 / 3.3
08/12 -- 47.8 / 48.3 / 3.9
07/12 -- 47.2 / 48.1 / 4.7
06/12 -- 47.8 / 47.8 / 4.4
05/12 -- 48.1 / 47.8 / 4.1
04/12 -- 47.8 / 47.1 / 5.1
03/12 -- 47.7 / 47.2 / 5.1
02/12 -- 48.2 / 47.2 / 4.6
01/12 -- 46.3 / 48.3 / 5.4
12/11 -- 45.1 / 49.5 / 5.4
11/11 -- 44.4 / 50.2 / 5.4
10/11 -- 43.4 / 51.2 / 5.4
09/11 -- 43.5 / 51.2 / 5.3
08/11 -- 43.8 / 50.7 / 5.5
07/11 -- 46.2 / 47.8 / 6.0
06/11 -- 48.5 / 46.0 / 5.5
05/11 -- 51.4 / 43.1 / 5.5
04/11 -- 46.4 / 48.2 / 5.4
03/11 -- 48.1 / 46.4 / 5.5
02/11 -- 49.4 / 44.5 / 6.1
01/11 -- 48.5 / 45.7 / 5.8
12/10 -- 45.5 / 48.1 / 6.4
11/10 -- 45.5 / 49.0 / 5.5
10/10 -- 45.5 / 49.1 / 5.4
09/10 -- 45.7 / 49.7 / 4.6
08/10 -- 45.3 / 49.5 / 5.2
07/10 -- 46.6 / 47.4 / 6.0
06/10 -- 47.6 / 46.7 / 5.7
05/10 -- 48.1 / 45.5 / 6.4
04/10 -- 47.8 / 46.5 / 5.7
03/10 -- 48.1 / 46.4 / 5.5
02/10 -- 47.9 / 46.1 / 6.0
01/10 -- 49.2 / 45.3 / 5.5
12/09 -- 49.4 / 44.9 / 5.7
11/09 -- 51.1 / 43.5 / 5.4
10/09 -- 52.2 / 41.9 / 5.9
09/09 -- 52.7 / 42.0 / 5.3
08/09 -- 52.8 / 40.8 / 6.4
07/09 -- 56.4 / 38.1 / 5.5
06/09 -- 59.8 / 33.6 / 6.6
05/09 -- 61.4 / 31.6 / 7.0
04/09 -- 61.0 / 30.8 / 8.2
03/09 -- 60.9 / 29.9 / 9.2
02/09 -- 63.4 / 24.4 / 12.2
01/09 -- 63.1 / 19.6 / 17.3

 

Second Term Column Archives

[Dec 16], [Nov 16], [Oct 16], [Sep 16], [Aug 16], [Jul 16], [Jun 16], [May 16], [Apr 16], [Mar 16], [Feb 16], [Jan 16], [Dec 15], [Nov 15], [Oct 15], [Sep 15], [Aug 15], [Jul 15], [Jun 15], [May 15], [Apr 15], [Mar 15], [Feb 15], [Jan 15], [Dec 14], [Nov 14], [Oct 14], [Sep 14], [Aug 14], [Jul 14], [Jun 14], [May 14], [Apr 14], [Mar 14], [Feb 14], [Jan 14], Dec 13], [Nov 13], [Oct 13], Sep 13], [Aug 13], [Jul 13], [Jun 13], [May 13], [Apr 13], [Mar 13], [Feb 13], [Jan 13]

 

First Term Column Archives

[Jan 13], [Dec 12], [Nov 12], [Oct 12], [Sep 12], [Aug 12], [Jul 12], [Jun 12], [May 12], [Apr 12], [Mar 12], [Feb 12], [Jan 12], [Dec 11], [Nov 11], [Oct 11], [Sep 11], [Aug 11], [Jul 11], [Jun 11], [May 11], [Apr 11], [Mar 11], [Feb 11], [Jan 11], [Dec 10], [Nov 10], [Oct 10], [Sep 10], [Aug 10], [Jul 10], [Jun 10], [May 10], [Apr 10], [Mar 10], [Feb 10], [Jan 10], [Dec 09], [Nov 09], [Oct 09], [Sep 09], [Aug 09], [Jul 09], [Jun 09], [May 09], [Apr 09], [Mar 09]

 

-- Chris Weigant

 

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260 Comments on “Obama Poll Watch -- January, 2017”

  1. [1] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    well.... nowhere to go but up.

  2. [2] 
    michale wrote:

    well.... nowhere to go but up.

    I disagree..

    Obama's totally narcissistic decision to stay in DC and attack Trump on a daily basis will mean his approval rating is likely to go down...

    I think that would be a first for a former President...

    Hell, even Jimmy Carter's approval rating went up after he left office..

    And, up until Obama, Carter was the worst President ever..

  3. [3] 
    neilm wrote:

    Seeing the pics of Dubya wrestling with a plastic poncho almost humanized him. I'll never forget the day in 2002 and I realized that he was going into Iraq regardless of any arguments or facts to he contrary, so he has the blood of 100,000's of innocents on his hands, and that legacy is still causing bloodshed today.

    However for a moment, he just seemed like a confused old man out of his depth.

    However it has to be said, he is still more popular today than Trump is during his "honeymoon".

    If Americans can forget and be nostalgic about Dubya, Obama is likely to see a gradual but irresistible rise in popularity over the next eight years.

  4. [4] 
    neilm wrote:

    Altohone [from prior thread]:

    The point of my article was not meant to outline my thoughts on my political positions, however CW is always looking for guest articles.

    How about we write one together. I'll put my email address on a temporary link if you agree and when you can send me over the top points you think we agree on that are more than "left-inclined" and I'll put together a draft. We can then decide if we want to publish it jointly or if we are too far apart and we could then write two articles on the same talking points with different views.

    If you are interested I'll post a link with my email address for you.

  5. [5] 
    michale wrote:

    , so he has the blood of 100,000's of innocents on his hands, and that legacy is still causing bloodshed today.

    Bullshit..

    It was Obama's premature withdrawal that is still causing bloodshed today and DIRECTLY lead to the ascension of ISIS...

    However for a moment, he just seemed like a confused old man out of his depth.

    At least Bush had the decency and patriotism to fade away and give Obama a chance to lead.. Obama has no such integrity...

    However it has to be said, he is still more popular today than Trump is during his "honeymoon".

    It only "has to be said" if one is dining on sour grapes and crow...

    If Americans can forget and be nostalgic about Dubya, Obama is likely to see a gradual but irresistible rise in popularity over the next eight years.

    Wanna bet??

    If Obama had the integrity to fade away like Bush did then you would likely be right.. But Obama has stated he intends to be a thorn in PRESIDENT Trump's side... So Obama's numbers are likely to go down..

    But hay... I am all for it.. Obama has LOST every time he put himself out there in support of a cause or a person.. Coakley, Chicago Olympics, BREXIT, Clinton...

    So, if Obama wants to stick around and drag Democrats down and down and down...... :D More power to 'im... :D

  6. [6] 
    neilm wrote:

    Oh, I hope Elizabeth's request for a 15 minute edit window can be realized. For some reason when I revise my posts mid-thought I manage to mangle my missive majestically.

  7. [7] 
    neilm wrote:

    It was Obama's premature withdrawal

    Bush negotiated the timetable.

  8. [8] 
    michale wrote:

    Oh, I hope Elizabeth's request for a 15 minute edit window can be realized. For some reason when I revise my posts mid-thought I manage to mangle my missive majestically.

    heh Been there.. :D

    Bush negotiated the timetable.

    And, at the time, it was an appropriate timetable..

    But the situation changed and Obama's "stay the course" mentality was a bonehead thing to do and showed an APPALLING lack of leadership...

  9. [9] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    But the situation changed and Obama's "stay the course" mentality was a bonehead thing to do and showed an APPALLING lack of leadership...

    You folks on the right show an APPALLING lack of memory cells. Bush had to agree, I repeat had to agree, to a withdrawal because the Iraqis refused to renew the Status of Forces agreement that basically waived the whole 'if you kill someone in our country, we can hold you for murder' rule that sovereign governments for some reason cherish. That set the timetable for withdrawal, not some personality conflict between either Bush or Obama and the Iranian-influenced Iraqis. H. Clinton was able to negotiate for a larger residual force than Bush had agreed to, which probably saved Iraq's shortsighted asses. Of course, once ISIS reared their ugly black-swathed heads, we were invited back to mop it up, but Obama said, 'No, this time we'll advise, but your troops are going to have to do most of the fighting', which was a) appropriate to the situation and b) better for the US in the long run, since an 'occupation' would then not be needed.

    Unfortunately, what the Right took from that was "reasonableness and pragmatism are bad", and we're now living with the result.

  10. [10] 
    neilm wrote:

    But the situation changed

    Yes - the guy in the White House had a -D after his name - see how that works, the Right Wingery put removing Obama ahead of America for eight years.

  11. [11] 
    neilm wrote:

    Getting ready to march - my wife has been making up placards for days.

    The numbers marching against Trump. After an inauguration with empty stands, a sparse National Mall, and a dystopian speech, today is the day when the silent majority who voted against Trump remind him that there are people who understand science, want equality for all and are watching him and angry with his lies.

    America is already great!

    #notmypresident

  12. [12] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    Without changing the subject to something else entirely, can you explain to me why you think Senator Schumer was booed and jeered during the Inaugural ceremony when he said the following, just before president-elect Trump took the oath of office:

    “Today, we celebrate one of democracy’s core attributes, the peaceful transfer of power. And every day, we stand up for core democratic principles enshrined in the Constitution — the rule of law, equal protection for all under law, the freedom of speech, press, religion.”

  13. [13] 
    michale wrote:

    #notmypresident

    Then America is #notyourcountry

  14. [14] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    If that is your answer, I am officially done with this site.

  15. [15] 
    michale wrote:

    Liz,

    I would say because, for the last 8 years, Obama and the Democrats have ignored the rule of law, equal protection for all under the law, freedom of speech, press and religion...

    But they ONLY ignored that when it comes to those who are ideologically different than the Left...

    For example, the Left told someone from the Right that they MUST do their jobs, even if it violates their religious beliefs..

    The Left told someone from the Left it's perfectly acceptable NOT to do your job if it involves participating with someone who is ideologically unacceptable..

    That's likely why Schumer was booed..

    Because for Schumer and those like him, rights and freedoms are ONLY for those who toe a particular ideological line...

  16. [16] 
    michale wrote:

    If that is your answer, I am officially done with this site.

    That was my answer to neil...

    Your answer is below that one..

  17. [17] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    So, you're saying that they booed the hypocrisy and not the ideals and that when it comes to speaking in terms of the promise of America and its ideals that people are just too cynical to accept that kind of talk.

    Fair enough.

    But, I still don't know how much more of this site I can take. I don't come here to relieve stress anymore. I usually leave here stressed, nowadays. And, more stress in my life is decidedly not what I need.

  18. [18] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Liz [12] They were probably booing the word "press". With these folks, you have to think, 'simple'.

  19. [19] 
    michale wrote:

    So, you're saying that they booed the hypocrisy and not the ideals and that when it comes to speaking in terms of the promise of America and its ideals that people are just too cynical to accept that kind of talk.

    That's my guess based on the context you gave... I didn't witness the incident so I can't be unequivocally sure...

    But, I still don't know how much more of this site I can take. I don't come here to relieve stress anymore. I usually leave here stressed, nowadays. And, more stress in my life is decidedly not what I need.

    Now ya know how I felt every day for the last 6 years.. That's why I had to quit reading CW.COM after 1800hrs because I would never get to sleep... :D

    The trick (which I have yet to master) is not to take anything here TOO seriously... :D

  20. [20] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Perhaps.

    It's more important than ever that we use our critical thinking skills when assessing the voracity of press reports and the rest of the media.

    Unfortunately, I think the kind of people who would boo and jeer at an Inaugural ceremony will never possess the ability to critically assess the media nor be able to distinguish fact from fiction or reality from fantasy.

    Which, seems very dangerous for your democracy and democracies around the world.

  21. [21] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    [20] was in response to Balthasar [18], just to be clear.

  22. [22] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Damn! That should read VERACITY in [20] instead of voracity.

  23. [23] 
    michale wrote:

    Liz [12] They were probably booing the word "press". With these folks, you have to think, 'simple'.

    Hay... WE'RE not the one's who just lost a "sure-thing, can't lose, 50-state sweep" election... :D

  24. [24] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Now ya know how I felt every day for the last 6 years.. That's why I had to quit reading CW.COM after 1800hrs because I would never get to sleep... :D

    You are far stronger than I am, Michale ... I won't last 6 months, without question, if this sort of discourse keeps up.

  25. [25] 
    michale wrote:

    Unfortunately, I think the kind of people who would boo and jeer at an Inaugural ceremony will never possess the ability to critically assess the media nor be able to distinguish fact from fiction or reality from fantasy.

    Bush was incessantly booed 8 years ago by the Left Wingery...

    Does your assessment apply??

  26. [26] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    For example, the Left told someone from the Right that they MUST do their jobs, even if it violates their religious beliefs..

    Nonsense. People can opt out of doing all sorts of things when it conflicts with their religious beliefs.

    The one carve-out is public commerce, where a Muslim cannot refuse a Jew the same service he would give to any other, a Jewish doctor cannot refuse to treat a Christian, a Christian cannot refuse to serve a Gay man, a Gay man cannot refuse service to a Woman, a Woman cannot refuse service to a Latino, and a Latino cannot refuse service to that Muslim.

    And a White man cannot refuse service to a black man at, say, a lunch counter. The Right never really had a problem with the Commerce clause until it was used to desegregate the south.

  27. [27] 
    michale wrote:

    You are far stronger than I am, Michale ... I won't last 6 months, without question, if this sort of discourse keeps up.

    Actually, I think it will become easier and easier for you as you come to realize that President Trump is not only a good thing for this country, but for the planet as well.... :D

  28. [28] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Does your assessment apply??

    Yes, it certainly does.

  29. [29] 
    michale wrote:

    Nonsense. People can opt out of doing all sorts of things when it conflicts with their religious beliefs.

    Tell that to the bakers who were run out of business because of the vicious violence and hate from the Left Wingery...

  30. [30] 
    michale wrote:

    The one carve-out is public commerce, where a Muslim cannot refuse a Jew the same service he would give to any other, a Jewish doctor cannot refuse to treat a Christian, a Christian cannot refuse to serve a Gay man, a Gay man cannot refuse service to a Woman, a Woman cannot refuse service to a Latino, and a Latino cannot refuse service to that Muslim.

    But a dancer who is hired to dance or a singer who is hired to sing is allowed to refuse to dance or sing for politically unacceptable people...

    Do you comprehend how utterly hypocritical and bigoted such a stance is???

  31. [31] 
    michale wrote:

    Yes, it certainly does.

    I thought as much.. But I bet no one will agree with you here... 'Cept for me, of course.. :D

  32. [32] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Liz [20] Absolutely Correct. The ability to assess the Veracity of a news story is getting right up there with the ability to assess the veracity of an advertising pitch as a skill necessary in the modern world.

    Trump may be assessed by historians as the first politician to really understand (or more likely, stumble onto) the similarities between commerce, particularly "branding", and politics.

    Not surprising, since Trump long ago realized that he could make money by slapping his name onto things that other people made. Politics isn't so much a vocation for him, as it is a new product line.

    In that he's onto something, in this era of hyper-partisanship. Every consumer choice we make is influenced by out relationship to certain brands. For some folks, the brand choices they make reflect not only their personal preferences, but also their lifestyle, and even their politics.

    I have been saying privately for years that the Democrats need to do some professional brand building. The right characterizes them constantly, and there is no counter-message. When you hear Democrats say that they support a 50 State Strategy, it means more than that they support party building. It means they hope that the next DNC chair will bring the party out of its' seeming insularity and put some damn ads on the air.

  33. [33] 
    michale wrote:

    But a dancer who is hired to dance or a singer who is hired to sing is allowed to refuse to dance or sing for politically unacceptable people...

    "Well.... THAT's different..."

    It always is.....

  34. [34] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    M [29, 30] You're deliberately missing the point: an actor can refuse to act, a dancer to dance, a baker to bake. What they can't do is hang out a shingle saying: 'Open to the Public' and then pick and choose which members of the public they want to work for.

    If an actor, singer, or dancer is actually hired to perform, and agrees to that gig, and then refuses to perform, they can be sued for breach of contract. The examples you've given so far don't seem to involve any case where a contract to perform was consummated.

    And yes, having a business that is open to the public is the equivalent of making a contract to perform for the public - all of them - and refusing to serve any of them is a breach.

  35. [35] 
    michale wrote:

    M [29, 30] You're deliberately missing the point: an actor can refuse to act, a dancer to dance, a baker to bake. What they can't do is hang out a shingle saying: 'Open to the Public' and then pick and choose which members of the public they want to work for.

    And YOU are missing the point..

    That's is EXACTLY what some of the Rockettes did... They said they did NOT want to dance for Donald Trump...

    If an actor, singer, or dancer is actually hired to perform, and agrees to that gig, and then refuses to perform, they can be sued for breach of contract. The examples you've given so far don't seem to involve any case where a contract to perform was consummated.

    The Rockettes are paid employees....

    To put it into context you will probably deny, it's as if a black server at McDonalds refused to provide service to a white customer...

    It's the EXACT same thing...

  36. [36] 
    michale wrote:
  37. [37] 
    michale wrote:

    The inaugural address was utterly and uncompromisingly Trumpian. The man who ran is the man who’ll reign. It was plain, unfancy and blunt to the point of blistering. A little humility would have gone a long way, but that’s not the path he took. Nor did he attempt to reassure. It was pow, right in the face. Most important, he did not in any way align himself with the proud Democrats and Republicans arrayed around him. He looked out at the crowd and said he was allied with them.

    He presented himself not as a Republican or a conservative but as a populist independent. The essential message: Remember those things I said in the campaign? I meant them. I meant it all.
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/president-trump-declares-independence-1484956174

    That's what ya'all don't get about Trump....

    NOTHING about him is ideological...

    He is not a Republican or a Democrat.... He is an AMERICAN....

    And all I can say is, "IT'S ABOUT FRAKIN' TIME!!!"

  38. [38] 
    michale wrote:

    The quintessential Democrat...

    "I have thought awful lot about blowing up White House.."
    -Madonna

    That says it all....

  39. [39] 
    altohone wrote:

    neil
    4

    Well, my comments were about what you did write in the column, but, perhaps like me, you are distracted with worry about Liz.

    As for a joint or competing columns, I like the idea, but I haven't exactly been holding back, so I'd be repeating myself... possibly causing Liz stress.

    Let me ponder potentially unaddressed issues for a few days and get back to you. If I can come up with something that won't drive Liz away I'll hit you up for your email.

    Until then, I implore the handful of others here, won't somebody think about Liz?

    A

  40. [40] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    I like Liz. I think her comments are often interesting and valuable to the conversation. I would miss her, even though she sometimes disagrees with me. I wish Paula were still around too.

    Every opinion is valuable, even those I disagree with. Better than not knowing (that) that point of view exists. Liz is never offensive, and I respect that alot.

  41. [41] 
    neilm wrote:

    Just returned from my local Women's March. There were three times as many protesters as expected, even in the rain. The whole downtown had to be closed down by the Police (who did a great job reacting, keeping everything moving and keeping everybody safe - lots of young kids so the Police closed off the roads). Amazing spirit, very friendly people everywhere.

    Unbelievable!

    Funniest chant: "Hey hey, ho ho, The Orange Fascist has to go"

    Funniest placard: "Viva la Vulva!"

  42. [42] 
    neilm wrote:

    Sean Spicer just lied at least twice in his first press announcement:

    1. White protective coverage was used before at inaugurations, this was not the first time.

    2. The pictures show that the Mall was sparse yet he claimed it was the largest crowd ever.

    What a sad job this clown has - he has to trot out and tell the lies Donald want to believe are true.

  43. [43] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    It amazes me that the march organizers managed to pull off a worldwide protest. Good for them! The organizers of this march are my candidates for top job at the DNC, I don't care who else is running!

    Funniest TV line of the Day requires a little set-up:

    MSNBC ran Madonna's speech live, which was fine until she started dropping F-bombs. I counted two before they cut to their panel, red-faced, and laughing and apologizing. When it appeared that she was about to sing, they cut back to her, and she prefaced the song with another banned word, and MSNBC hastily cut back to their panel again, and Thomas Roberts said, deadpan: "Hey, maybe she was talking about someone named Richard.."

  44. [44] 
    neilm wrote:

    Oh - third lie - turns out Spicer lied about the subway numbers as well. Not bad for your first day on the job.

    Donald must be going bananas if anybody has let him see the pictures and crowd sizes from today.

  45. [45] 
    altohone wrote:

    neil
    42, 44

    Spicer should be promoted.

    I think his attempt at channeling Trump by attacking the press for factual reporting on the inaugural crowd size fell flat... there's only one Donald and nobody worries about press secretaries tweeting mean things.

    I have to say I'm a little torn about the protest marches.
    I guess the expression of unity in opposition serves a purpose, but the airfares, hotel rooms, bus rentals, gas money, organizing expenses, poster board purchases, etc. adds up to a huge sum of dough.

    I wonder how many home solar systems could have been purchased?
    How many ballot referendums could have been financed?
    How many candidates for the midterms could have been funded?

    Hopefully the organizing will yield future benefits.

    A

  46. [46] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll
    35

    The Rockettes have a contract to perform, but it doesn't include mandated inauguration appearances.
    Adding such a performance would be their choice... a separate contract that they wouldn't be bound by until it was signed.

    Your comparison isn't valid in any way.

    Military bands are probably the only performers who couldn't say no.

    I get that so many artists saying no to Trump is distressing. He should have offered more money and been willing to pay up front... what with his reputation and all.

    A

  47. [47] 
    altohone wrote:

    Hey CW

    "The Radical Left Has Some Advice For Democrats About Confronting Donald Trump"

    on Huffington Post by Daniel Marans

    Too short and light on substance, but still worth a look.

    Of course the "radical left" bit, which maintains the myth that Democrats represents the left in any way outside of certain social issues, is a typical establishmentarian denigration.

    I guess defending civil liberties and wanting politicians to serve the needs of voters rather than Big Money is "radical"... but opinion polls tell us that the majority of Americans support most of the "radical" policies... in other words, by definition, not radical.

    Whatever.

    This bit from the article
    "By contrast, a Wednesday night debate among contenders to chair the Democratic National Committee was a milquetoast affair in which hard truths took a backseat to platitudes and party-insider pandering. At a meeting of Democratic power-brokers in Aventura, Florida, the most contentious arguments were between those who think the party did nothing wrong in 2016 and those who think its crime was embracing populism."
    was spot on.

    It refers to the event I mentioned in a comment in the previous column, which, I think, any supporter of the Democrats who has a regular column on HuffingtonPost would do well to trash vigorously (hint nint)

    A

  48. [48] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Well, my comments were about what you did write in the column, but, perhaps like me, you are distracted with worry about Liz.

    Okay, Alice ... now, THAT was funny!

  49. [49] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    For some reason when I revise my posts mid-thought I manage to mangle my missive majestically.

    Well said, neilm!

  50. [50] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Indeed!

  51. [51] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale said in [25]:

    "Bush was incessantly booed 8 years ago by the Left Wingery..."

    Complete and utter BULLSHARDS!!!

    Did you have a stroke that I was unaware of? Just because Twitler is now Comrade in Chief, that doesn't mean the rest of us are going to accept the Wrong's revisionist history. Bush was the President when 9/11 occurred. Few times in this country have we seen the American people as united behind our president as we were immediately following the events of 9/11. By the end of his 2nd term, Republicans booed him more than Democrats did.

  52. [52] 
    michale wrote:

    Complete and utter BULLSHARDS!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH-0sMIOAZ0

    Do you ever get tired of being wrong, Russ?? :D

  53. [53] 
    michale wrote:

    Just returned from my local Women's March. There were three times as many protesters as expected, even in the rain. The whole downtown had to be closed down by the Police (who did a great job reacting, keeping everything moving and keeping everybody safe - lots of young kids so the Police closed off the roads). Amazing spirit, very friendly people everywhere.

    Yea, "friendly"... :^/

    But guess what??

    Trump is still YOUR president.. :D

  54. [54] 
    michale wrote:

    Amazing spirit, very friendly people everywhere.

    I guess talking about blowing up the White House is what "friendly" is with the Left Wingery....

    Sad....

  55. [55] 
    michale wrote:

    Ya know, all the rioting and "protesting" and looting in the streets by the whiner cry-baby Left Wingery because Donald Trump was elected President....

    Is *EXACTLY* why Donald Trump was elected President..

    Think about it...

    If you dare..

  56. [56] 
    michale wrote:

    It's rather ironic, in a sad sort of way..

    These whiner cry-baby looting "protesters" whine and scream hysterically that Trump is going to "destroy America"..

    So, what do they do??

    They go out and loot and destroy.....

    That's Democrat Party "logic" for ya.... :^/

  57. [57] 
    michale wrote:

    Sean Spicer just lied at least twice in his first press announcement:

    Ya'all gave up the right to call out lies from the current administration when you let the past administration get away with all sorts of lies...

    That's how life works... :D

  58. [58] 
    michale wrote:

    Ya'all gave up the right to call out lies from the current administration when you let the past administration get away with all sorts of lies...

    Allow me to rephrase..

    Ya'all have given up the right to be taken seriously when it comes to President Trump and his administration..

    Because, by accepting the lies of the Odumbo Administration with nary a comment, when you call out the President Trump's administration for their alleged "lies" ya'all prove beyond any doubt that it's nothing by ideological bias talking...

    In short, no one here cares about any alleged lying... The only thing important here is to attack President Trump and his administration, regardless of any facts or logic..

  59. [59] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    In short, [I don't care] about any alleged lying... The only thing important here is to [defend] President Trump and his administration, regardless of any facts or logic..

    There fixed it for you.

    Fact is, the assertion that the Trump Inauguration had "the largest crowds ever" is just demonstrably false. Say what you want, it isn't true.

    So our first impression of the new press secretary is of a man who couldn't find the truth with the assistance of a Boy Scout troop, a guide dog, and a map. How is that "winning"?

  60. [60] 
    michale wrote:

    There fixed it for you.

    Nope.. You just put your own partisan ideologically based words there..

    Fact is, the assertion that the Trump Inauguration had "the largest crowds ever" is just demonstrably false. Say what you want, it isn't true.

    And if we were discussing the veracity of Spicer's claims, you would have a point..

    But we're not, so you don't..

    We're talking about the blatant hypocrisy of ya'all and the fact that ya'all have absolutely NO MORAL foundation to call out any "lies" from the Trump Administration...

    So our first impression of the new press secretary is of a man who couldn't find the truth with the assistance of a Boy Scout troop, a guide dog, and a map. How is that "winning"?

    It's "winning" insofar as ya'all don't have any credibility leg to stand on...

  61. [61] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    "These whiner cry-baby looting "protesters" whine and scream hysterically that Trump is going to "destroy America"... So, what do they do?? They go out and loot and destroy.."

    Really? That's gonna be the party line, that all those hundreds of thousands of sweet young women in Pussy Hats, in every major city in the US were there to "loot and destroy"? That's not what I saw. That's not what anyone saw today. Again, you're flaunting your obstinence by promulgating bullshit.

  62. [62] 
    michale wrote:

    Now, if you WANT me to address Spicer's statements, I'll be happy to..

    So, what ya'all are so hysterical about is that Spicer exaggerated the size of the inauguration crowd..

    "OH MY GOD, WHAT A FUCKING NIGHTMARE!!!"
    -Marisa Tomeii, MY COUSIN VINNY...

    Ya'all's reaction to the exaggeration says a LOT more about ya'all than the exaggeration says about Spicer.....

    Irregardless, as I have proven beyond any doubt, ya'all have absolutely NO moral leg to stand on when it comes to calling out "lies" from the Trump Administration..

    We will have President Trump for the next 8 years.. Deal with it..

  63. [63] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    And if we were discussing the veracity of Spicer's claims, you would have a point.

    We are discussing the veracity (or lack thereof) of Spicer's claims. I am discussing the veracity of Spicer's claims. That is the topic raised by Neil. You keep wandering off-topic into Obama-bashing. Obama's gone. You're playing defense now.

  64. [64] 
    michale wrote:

    Really? That's gonna be the party line, that all those hundreds of thousands of sweet young women in Pussy Hats, in every major city in the US were there to "loot and destroy"? That's not what I saw.

    Of COURSE that's "not what you saw"... Because what you see is ALWAYS colored by your Party slavery...

    You only see what you WANT to see.. THAT has been aptly proven beyond ANY doubt...

    that all those hundreds of thousands of sweet young women in Pussy Hats

    And their leader talking about blowing up the White House..

    Yea.. "sweet"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2t718QUAAASKQJ.jpg

    Yea... "sweet"....

    Like I said.. You only see what you WANT to see...

  65. [65] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    So, what ya'all are so hysterical about is that Spicer exaggerated the size of the inauguration crowd..

    No, what we're disconcerted about is that, with the eyes of the world on him, he begins his term in office with this petulant and farcical assertion, and attacked the media for reporting otherwise. He was probably told to do it by Trump, which is even more disconcerting, suggesting that he intends to treat us to these Banana Republican antics for the next four years.

  66. [66] 
    michale wrote:

    No, what we're disconcerted about is that, with the eyes of the world on him, he begins his term in office with this petulant and farcical assertion, and attacked the media for reporting otherwise. He was probably told to do it by Trump, which is even more disconcerting, suggesting that he intends to treat us to these Banana Republican antics for the next four years.

    "He was probably"???

    Do you comprehend how utterly silly you sound??

    You claim the mantra of FACTS, yet you throw words like "probably" and "maybe" around...

    Let's face reality here, Balthy...

    You are "disconcerted" about Trump over EVERYTHING... There is absolutely NOTHING Trump could do that would "concert" you... You will bitch and moan about EVERY little thing Trump does...

    This being the case, how much credibility do you think you really have???

    Especially in light of the FACT that you have been WRONG about anything and everything Trump for the last year....

    Irregardless, the point is not whether or not Trump or Spicer lied about anything.

    The point is that ya'all have absolutely NO MORAL FOUNDATION, no credibility whatsoever, to call the current administration on their "lies"...

    This is fact..

  67. [67] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    You only see what you WANT to see.. THAT has been aptly proven beyond ANY doubt...

    I hate to keep being crude, but it's the middle of the night, and that's just horseshit. I watched hours and hours of pleasant, earnest folks assembled to protest peacefully today, and I didn't imagine it. You can't convince me to disregard what I saw with my own eyes. You're delusional if you think you can.

  68. [68] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Irregardless, the point is not whether or not Trump or Spicer lied about anything.

    Yes it is. That's the ONLY point worth making. This isn't an election game any more. This is the highest office in the world, and they're treating it like it's the back room of a bar, where lying is just what the guys do, don't ya know ..

    You do realize these assholes have all of our lives in their hands, don't you? You really want that guy flat out, blatantly lying to you? Forget Obama, I'm talking about THAT guy.

  69. [69] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    You are "disconcerted" about Trump over EVERYTHING... There is absolutely NOTHING Trump could do that would "concert" you.

    Yes there is. It's the same thing that Obama did in 2008 that made me switch from Hillary to him: he could sit down and speak coherently about foreign policy, without notes, for fifteen minutes.

    Okay, five minutes. I'd probably be so shocked that five minutes of coherent policy analysis would do the trick. Absolutely.

  70. [70] 
    michale wrote:

    I hate to keep being crude, but it's the middle of the night, and that's just horseshit. I watched hours and hours of pleasant, earnest folks assembled to protest peacefully today, and I didn't imagine it. You can't convince me to disregard what I saw with my own eyes. You're delusional if you think you can.

    Just like I was "delusional" if I thought I could convince you that Trump would win the election..

    But he did.. And you were wrong..

    You only see what you WANT to see..

    I have posted visual evidence of how "sweet" the scumbag protesters were..

    I have posted the terroristic threats from the leader of this woman's march..

    And you ignored them..

    You only see what you want to see and facts and reality be damned..

    Yes there is. It's the same thing that Obama did in 2008 that made me switch from Hillary to him: he could sit down and speak coherently about foreign policy, without notes, for fifteen minutes.

    Bullshit..

    Trump "sat down" and saved and created tens of thousands of new American jobs and all you did was nit pick at it and didn't give him an iota of credit..

    There is NOTHING Trump could do that would earn your approval..

    It's that simple..

  71. [71] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    I have posted visual evidence of how "sweet" the scumbag protesters were..

    A girl with her middle fingers raised? ooooScary.

    I have posted the terroristic threats from the leader of this woman's march..

    Out of context, as usual. Sort of like I've thought about blowing up my computer rather than read one more conservative blog, but decided to engage instead...

    Trump "sat down" and saved and created tens of thousands of new American jobs and all you did was nit pick at it and didn't give him an iota of credit..

    And as usual, he took something that already existed and slapped his name on it. I don't think he understands the difference between doing something yourself, and buying into something someone else has already done.

  72. [72] 
    michale wrote:

    A girl with her middle fingers raised? ooooScary.

    There you go again..

    I never said it was "scary"..

    YOU said it was "sweet"... I *PROVED* you wrong..

    Out of context, as usual.

    And you provide no facts to back up your claim.. As usual..

    It was perfectly in context...

    Perhaps you know of another context that would mitigate or excuse the terroristic threat to blow up the SPECIFIC location where Donald Trump resides..

    And as usual, he took something that already existed and slapped his name on it.

    Those jobs already existed??

    Prove it.

    You can't because yer just spewing Anti-American BS...

    But you prove my point perfectly...

    Trump did a GOOD thing by saving the carrier jobs and talking other companies into creating jobs for Americans...

    But you simply cannot give him ANY credit because he has a '-R' after his name...

  73. [73] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    In other news, leaders of Europe's right-wing nationalist parties are meeting this weekend in Germany to coordinate for upcoming elections.

    If the combination of the words "nationalist" and "Germany" don't ring any alarm bells, you probably slept through history class.

    No word yet on whether Putin sent his regards to the meeting, but it is certain that these leaders can count of the full support of the KGB, er, Russian Government.

  74. [74] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    And you provide no facts to back up your claim.. As usual.. It was perfectly in context...

    Alright wise guy, here's the context - I quote:

    "Yes, I'm angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot of blowing up the White House, but I know that this won't change anything. We cannot fall into despair. As the poet, W.H. Auden once wrote on the eve of World War II: We must love one another or die. I choose love."

    I choose love. What a horrible thing to say. Funny, I can't find any similar sentiment in Trump's inauguration speech...

  75. [75] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    BTW, that wasn't a quote from an organizer of the march, that was Madonna, and that part of the speech wasn't even carried live by most of the news outlets, which switched away after the f-bombs earlier in the speech.

  76. [76] 
    michale wrote:

    "Yes, I'm angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot of blowing up the White House, but I know that this won't change anything."

    So, Madonna has thought a lot of blowing up the White House...

    What kind of sick person thinks of blowing up the President's house, JUST because her candidate didn't win???

    Answer: A Democrat...

    I choose love. What a horrible thing to say. Funny, I can't find any similar sentiment in Trump's inauguration speech...

    "I choose love"

    "I thought a lot about blowing up the White House"

    And you HONESTLY don't see any disconnect there???

    Like I said....

    Totally driven by Party slavery to the exclusion of all else..

  77. [77] 
    michale wrote:

    Do you know how I know that ya'all are totally driven by Party slavery to the exclusion of all else??

    Because none of ya can concede the possibility that Trump might be the greatest US President since Abraham Lincoln..

    That is fanaticism....

  78. [78] 
    michale wrote:

    "Yes, I'm angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot of blowing up the White House, but I know that this won't change anything."

    Pretend Hillary won the election and Trump supporters said that..

    You would be screaming hysterically to the high heavens..

    You know it. I know it...

  79. [79] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale,

    We had Twitler suggesting the Second Amendment could prevent Hillary from adding liberal judges to the Supreme Court had she won, for Christ's sake! Madonna doesn't speak for anyone but Madonna. I think what she said was stupid, personally.

  80. [80] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:


    Because none of ya can concede the possibility that Trump might be the greatest US President since Abraham Lincoln..

    That is fanaticism....

    You posing the statement that Trump might be the greatest US President since Lincoln on day one of his presidency does fit the definition of "fanaticism", I agree!

  81. [81] 
    neilm wrote:

    Sean Spicer - blink twice if you need rescued.

  82. [82] 
    neilm wrote:

    I checked Fox News and foxnews.com multiple times yesterday and if you live in their bubble you would not even have known there were Women's Marches going on all around the World- let alone the number of marches and the overwhelming turnout.

  83. [83] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Those jobs already existed?? Prove it.

    Okay:

    "Sprint later said that the jobs were part of a previously announced commitment by Japan’s SoftBank" - NY Times

    “This is part of the 50,000 jobs that Masa previously announced,” said a Sprint spokeswoman.. - Salon

    "The Bayer-Monsanto deal was announced in September -- a time when many people thought Hillary Clinton would be the next president."
    - CNN Money

    "But a GM spokesperson said Tuesday that "product development decisions are made well in advance" and that "today's announcement is no different." -ABC News

    "Chung Jin Haeng, chief executive of the South Korean automaker, said the decision had little to do with Trump." - Mercury News

    I could go on, but you get the point.

  84. [84] 
    michale wrote:

    We had Twitler suggesting the Second Amendment could prevent Hillary from adding liberal judges to the Supreme Court had she won, for Christ's sake!

    Yea, and the Left Wingery went bat shit crazy...

    But when Madonna speaks about committing a terrorist attack, ya'all are silent.

    THAT'S my point..

    Madonna doesn't speak for anyone but Madonna.

    Bullshit... She was speaking for the woman's march...

    I think what she said was stupid, personally.

    And, of course, you didn't condemn her for the stupidity.. THAT's my point...

    Let me show you how it's done..

    https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16265733_10208518930631858_6073087153087661527_n.jpg?oh=fa9aae12a65a2569ac84596f9c55a6fa&oe=5903498A

    The First Lady should be holding her hand on her heart to honor the flag as it passes... Sad....

    See??? It's EASY to be a free-thinking person not enslaved by Party dogma...

    All one needs is the will...

  85. [85] 
    michale wrote:

    I could go on, but you get the point.

    I do indeed get the point..

    SALON

    CNN

    ABC

    'nuff said...

  86. [86] 
    michale wrote:

    I checked Fox News and foxnews.com multiple times yesterday and if you live in their bubble you would not even have known there were Women's Marches going on all around the World- let alone the number of marches and the overwhelming turnout.

    And, after all that, guess what??

    Trump is STILL your president.... :D

    So yea.. REAL effective....

  87. [87] 
    michale wrote:

    The entire protest/looting/rioting can be summed up thusly...

    "wwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa wwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

  88. [88] 
    michale wrote:

    Madonna doesn't speak for anyone but Madonna.

    And yet, when a Republican says or does something totally stoopid, ya'all paint the ENTIRE Right Wingery with that brush...

    In a word, HYPOCRISY....

  89. [89] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    The First Lady should be holding her hand on her heart to honor the flag as it passes... Sad..

    Hey, ease up on the immigrant/1st Lady/trophy wife there. The hand on the heart thing is custom, not law. If you want to nit pick the rules, start with the fellow under investigation standing next to her, the one who starts his term in violation of the Constitution.

    See??? It's EASY to be a free-thinking person not enslaved by Party dogma...

    But the whole hand-on-the-heart thing IS party dogma, so you're free to...what...appear generous when actually the complaint itself is kinda stupid, when its been applied at all by the right in the past.

  90. [90] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    The entire protest/looting/rioting can be summed up thusly...

    "wwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa wwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

    Actually, yeah, if you're making the sound of an electric guitar. I can see that.

    You're back to describing looting/rioting, i.e., the girl in the knit hat with fingers in the air again. She's just not that scary, dude.

  91. [91] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    And yet, when a Republican says or does something totally stoopid, ya'all paint the ENTIRE Right Wingery with that brush...

    You mean like when Ted Nugent called Obama a "subhuman mongrel" and said that if Obama was re-elected, a year later he'd be "dead or in jail".

    No, wait. We didn't tar the whole GOP with that one, we just called Nugent a nut job and went on with our lives.

    Now I personally didn't find anything all that offensive in Madonna's "I choose Love" speech, compared to some of the toxic stuff that's come out of, say, Nugent's pie hole, but hey, that's just me.

  92. [92] 
    michale wrote:

    Hey, ease up on the immigrant/1st Lady/trophy wife there. The hand on the heart thing is custom, not law.

    It indicates respect and patriotism.. If she has none, she doesn't deserve to be First Lady...

    But the whole hand-on-the-heart thing IS party dogma,

    No... It's PATRIOTIC DOGMA..

    That is where ya'all are ALWAYS wrong... Ya'all think DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN and ignore AMERICAN...

    You're back to describing looting/rioting, i.e., the girl in the knit hat with fingers in the air again. She's just not that scary, dude.

    No one but you said she is scary...

    You said "sweet"... I proved you wrong..

    You mean like when Ted Nugent called Obama a "subhuman mongrel" and said that if Obama was re-elected, a year later he'd be "dead or in jail".

    What has that got to do with painting an entire group with the brush of a single person??

    Like when Trump called Rosie O'Donnel an ugly cow... Ya'all screamed hysterically that Trump called ALL women ugly cows..

    You prove my point...

    Now I personally didn't find anything all that offensive in Madonna's "I choose Love" speech,

    And you don't find offensive that Madonna espoused terrorism against America..

    I know, I know.. THAT is the problem..

  93. [93] 
    michale wrote:

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/22/03/3C60ABAE00000578-4144242-Madonna_popped_up_her_eyes_inching_ever_closer_to_her_ears_to_le-a-45_1485055598906.jpg

    Jeezus H Christ!!

    Is THAT what Democrats epitomize!!??? Watta street tramp...

    No wonder they lost and have been losing for the last 6 years...

  94. [94] 
    michale wrote:

    Secret Service WILL investigate Madonna after singer says she wants to BLOW UP the White House in expletive-filled rant at women's march
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4142950/Thousands-women-head-Washington-protest-Trump.html#ixzz4WVWfVYvk

    Threatening terrorism has consequences....

  95. [95] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    "I do indeed get the point..SALON, CNN, ABC - 'nuff said..."

    I tried to get similar quotes from Right Wing media, but as Neil pointed out, when they want to ignore something, they do a pretty thorough job of it.

  96. [96] 
    michale wrote:

    Many Arrested Inauguration Day Protesters Will Face Felony Rioting Charges, Prosecutors Say
    http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/01/21/many-inauguration-day-protesters-will-face-felony-rioting-charges-prosecutors-say/

    Not protesters...

    Rioters... Looters....

    Lock 'em up in a dark hole and lose the key for 10 years....

  97. [97] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll

    "The point is that ya'all have absolutely NO MORAL FOUNDATION, no credibility whatsoever, to call the current administration on their "lies"...

    This is fact.."

    No.
    It shows you to be a liar who yet again mangles the definition of the word fact.

    Not "all" of us.

    And yet, then you complain about people painting a whole group with a broad brush when you do it here constantly... whining about hypocrisy while drowning in it.

    I'm sure giving up your favorite incorrect contraction would be too difficult for a wingnut like you, but every time you use it here, you're lying.

    Just like Spicer and Trump, like Earnest and Obama, like Hillary.

    A

  98. [98] 
    michale wrote:

    I tried to get similar quotes from Right Wing media, but as Neil pointed out, when they want to ignore something, they do a pretty thorough job of it.

    TRANSLATION: There are no supporting facts to be found..

  99. [99] 
    michale wrote:

    Troll

    Asshole....

    'nuff said.. :D

    Your points are meaningless because they are nothing but personal attacks. Whether against me, Liz, Neil or anyone else who calls you on your total BS...

    Your kind is nearing extinction.. Thank the gods... :D

  100. [100] 
    neilm wrote:

    Looks like hardly anybody bothered to go to the inauguration. Maybe Trump will get a better turn out tomorrow.

    Michale what lies about the most people ever at an inauguration are the Right Wiingery telling you?

    Well I nailed that one, didn't I.

    So I'm not always wri=ong with my predictions :)

    1. Hardly anybody turned up

    2. Trump couldn't handle it and somebody, probably Bannon or Conway, told him a bunch of lies to make him feel better. Then he made sure Spicer trotted out the lies - 'cos we can't have Obama getting better ratings than the "ratings machine" himself.

    There is a small silver lining from all the people Trump is going to kill by screwing up their healthcare with his callousness, and the hatred he is spreading, the disgust Americans will have to endure when traveling abroad again, and the damage he is going to do by refusing to understand climate science. We are going to get to laugh at Trump's pathetic lies and by 2020 even Michale is going to be praying "please stop tweeting and please, please, not another press announcement - I can't take it any longer".

    Michale: where is the evidence that backs up Trump's claim that 1.5 million people attended the inauguration (but for some reason decided to leave most of the seating areas empty?).

  101. [101] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    You said "sweet"... I proved you wrong..

    No, you called her a looter/rioter, which is absurd, and I said that most of the folks on the Mall yesterday were kinda sweet, which is true.

    Watta street tramp...

    She's used to that slur by now. Bet you liked her in the Bond movie.

    What has that got to do with painting an entire group with the brush of a single person??

    It's an apt comparison. Nugent was also investigated by the Secret Service for his remarks.

    And you don't find offensive that Madonna espoused terrorism against America..

    Because she didn't. For those new to this ridiculous exchange, I put that to bed back in post [74]. Then I went to bed, and now we're back at it.

  102. [102] 
    michale wrote:

    Because she didn't.

    Apparently she did.. Which is why the US Secret Service is investigating the comments...

    I get it.. Any violence threatened against Trump is perfectly acceptable to you....

    I understand completely..

    It's the Left Wingery "tolerance" at work...

  103. [103] 
    altohone wrote:

    Liz
    48

    You'd miss it if you were gone.

    A

  104. [104] 
    neilm wrote:

    The only think Madonna is going to blow up are her boobs. My sister had dinner in London with her a few years ago and said that she is a lot smaller than she looks and is smart and funny.

    What a bunch of snowflakes the Right Wingery are is a tiny little lady can ponder something and they all wet their pants.

    Really Michale - do you think Madonna is going to blow up the White House?

    This in manufactured indignation of exactly the same sort that gives us safe spaces and a bunch of other silliness you agree we need to see more of?

    Are we going to have to put up with worse snowflakes on the right - with adults for Pete's sake - as well as college kids who don't understand the point of college is to be challenged intellectually?

  105. [105] 
    neilm wrote:

    Elizabeth - another voice asking you to stay.

  106. [106] 
    neilm wrote:

    God I wish we had a quick edit feature - my typing is atrocious.

  107. [107] 
    neilm wrote:

    Or even a better preview capability - the current one squashes everything up, so I don't use it even though I know I should.

    All the lines run together

  108. [108] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll
    99

    Pointing out that you are a liar and hypocrite is simply factual... like you apt moniker.

    If you could argue the points, you wouldn't be ignoring them.
    Classic trollery.

    My "kind"?
    Are you claiming there are more like me?
    On this planet?

    "Nearing extinction"?
    A bold claim from an old man with a bad ticker and spiders in his shoes.

    A

  109. [109] 
    michale wrote:

    Really Michale - do you think Madonna is going to blow up the White House?

    WHy not.. You think Trump is going to grab pussy all over the place..

    You see yer problem??

    You want to take seriously every outlandish thing a Right Winger says, but pooh-pooh as nothing every scumbag thing a Left Winger says....

    It's all ideological for ya'all...

    God I wish we had a quick edit feature - my typing is atrocious.

    I've seen worse.. :D

  110. [110] 
    michale wrote:

    Elizabeth - another voice asking you to stay.

    Did I miss something???

  111. [111] 
    michale wrote:

    Asshole,

    Pointing out that you are a liar and hypocrite is simply factual... like you apt moniker.

    And pointing out you are a liar and a hypocrite and a sleaze and an asshole is simply factual as well, which is why you get the apt moniker

    If you could argue the points, you wouldn't be ignoring them.
    Classic trollery.

    I don't argue points with assholes who make personal attacks on people solely because they call him on his lies and BS...

    My "kind"?
    Are you claiming there are more like me?

    Gods, I hope not. Once such asshole as you is more than enough..

    "Nearing extinction"?
    A bold claim from an old man with a bad ticker and spiders in his shoes.

    And yet, I have been here for over a decade, son... :D Yer kind never lasts long because they are never wanted..

    Michy was like you.. He's gone.. Paula was like you. She's gone.. Kick was like you.. She's gone..

    And so on and so on and so on...

    Yer kind never lasts because you have nothing to offer but personal attacks and name-calling...

    As I said, I am not the only one who has noticed it...

  112. [112] 
    michale wrote:

    Or even a better preview capability - the current one squashes everything up, so I don't use it even though I know I should.

    All the lines run together

    CB's whiney-crutch thingy is supposed to fix the Preview Issue....

  113. [113] 
    altohone wrote:

    neil
    104

    Wingnuts going after Madonna is a good use of their time.

    I'm sure the Secret Service is eager to meet her too... just not for her "threats".

    A

  114. [114] 
    neilm wrote:

    Why not.. You think Trump is going to grab pussy all over the place..

    You see yer problem??

    Madonna isn't bragging that she is going to blow up the White House again and that she is allowed to get away with it because she is a celebrity.

    Trump made the p*$$y grabbing claim as a boast of previous behavior and a lot of women came out and confirmed his criminal behavior.

    Wow you must be desperate if one little lady with a throw away comment is getting the Right Wingery all lathered up - y'all are probably just tetchy about the fact that nobody bothered to turn up on Friday, but there were many times more than expected numbers of protesters on Saturday all around the World. It was yuge.

  115. [115] 
    neilm wrote:

    I'm sure the Secret Service is eager to meet her too... just not for her "threats".

    After Cartegena she better make sure she brings her dad, Tony, along ;)

  116. [116] 
    michale wrote:
  117. [117] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll
    111

    I've proven my claims about you again and again.
    Your little whining doesn't change that.
    Remember what your doctor said about getting too worked up though.

    Who was it that always called you a "bot"?

    I do miss the old days.

    A

  118. [118] 
    michale wrote:

    I'm sure the Secret Service is eager to meet her too... just not for her "threats".

    Oh puullleeeeze... She is a skank... No one in their right mind would go near Madonna without a hazmat suit....

    Madonna isn't bragging that she is going to blow up the White House again and that she is allowed to get away with it because she is a celebrity.

    And yet, she is allowed to make terroristic threats and get away with it because she is a celebrity...

    Trump made the p*$$y grabbing claim as a boast of previous behavior and a lot of women came out and confirmed his criminal behavior.

    And after Trump won the election, those women disappeared.. Funny how that is, eh... They were lying....

    Wow you must be desperate if one little lady with a throw away comment is getting the Right Wingery all lathered up -

    Just like ya'all get lathered up over EVERY throw-away comment Trump makes...

    Time to check out that mirror, my friend.. :D

    but there were many times more than expected numbers of protesters on Saturday all around the World. It was yuge.

    And TRUMP is *STILL* president.. :D

    Sucks to be them.....

    Waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa PLease!!! I need a safe space!!!!
    -Left Winger Snowflakes

  119. [119] 
    michale wrote:

    Asshole...

    I've proven my claims about you again and again.

    Like I said.. Yer nothhing but a liar and a small sad little man... :D

  120. [120] 
    michale wrote:

    Neil,

    You see your problem??

    You want to hold Trump and Right Wingers to everything they say, but you refuse to apply the same standard to Left Wingers...

    You'll never win an argument that way... :D

  121. [121] 
    michale wrote:

    For example... You castigate Trump for his pussy grabbing comment, yet the Left Wingery glorifies and swoons over the likes of Jay Z and Beyonce who say worse things about women and make MILLIONS doing so..

    Yea.... NO hypocrisy there, eh?? :^/

  122. [122] 
    altohone wrote:

    neil
    115

    Oooh.
    I wasn't thinking such sordid thoughts.
    Well, not that sordid at least.

    I've known a couple of SS agents, and I don't think they all deserve to be tainted by the actions of a few.

    A

  123. [123] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll
    119

    Making empty assertions proves my point.

    And, yet, everybody here knows I've called out Obama on his lies regularly, so on this very thread your "ya'all" lie, which, in case you can't grasp the English, supposedly includes me, is apparent for all to see.

    See, proof.
    You lied.

    Own it.

    Care to try to prove your lie about me being a liar?

    Time to put up, or concede.
    A

  124. [124] 
    michale wrote:

    https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16115021_10154722882481638_5003990000739507631_n.jpg?oh=6df5d7a7325c0c130d1b6e1bf28836af&oe=591A9BAC

    Marchers are ALL about women's rights...

    But, apparently they are too stoopid and lazy to clean up after themselves...

    Or they just don't give a rat's ass about this country...

    Yea, ya'all got a great bunch there.. :^/

    THIS is what ya'all are applauding???

    Sad....

  125. [125] 
    michale wrote:

    Asshole...

    Care to try to prove your lie about me being a liar?

    Sure..

    Troll

    Lie proven...

    Damn, I thought you would have been smarter... :D

  126. [126] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll
    125

    Oh.
    I see.
    You're in denial about engaging in constant trollery... again, classic trollery.

    Now you're lying to yourself too.

    Do you think anybody noticed that you couldn't deny the proof about your other lie about me?

    A

  127. [127] 
    michale wrote:

    Asshole,

    You're in denial about engaging in constant trollery... again, classic trollery.

    And again, I prove you are lying...

    You make this too damn easy.... :D

  128. [128] 
    michale wrote:

    “Divisiveness is not the answer, and I think to get that message, we have to reach across party lines. Forget your party. I’m registering as an independent. I’m not going to be a Democrat anymore because it’s too divisive. This isn’t working, this two-party system.”
    -Chelsea Handler

    Exactly!!!

  129. [129] 
    michale wrote:

    The Party is on life support. Democrats are in the minority in both the House and Senate, with no end in sight. Since the start of the Obama Administration they’ve lost 1,034 state and federal seats. They hold only governorships, and face 32 state legislatures fully under GOP control. No one speaks for the party as a whole. The Party’s top leaders are aging, and the back bench is thin.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/22/seven_truths_for_democrats_132868.html

    The Democratic Party needs to get it's shit together if it hopes to even have a CHANCE of being relevant over the next couple decades...

    If all ya'all have is TRUMP SUCKS, yer'all gonna be VERY disappointed for the next decade or so....

  130. [130] 
    michale wrote:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/liberal-women-march-trump-leave-trash-heaps-someone-else-clean/

    Jeezus, what a bunch of pigs.....

    Well, we know the women's march wasn't "sweet"....

    Now we also know that the marchers are a bunch of irresponsible slobs....

    Welcome to the New Democratic Party...

  131. [131] 
    michale wrote:

    Donald Trump ‘to announce US embassy will move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem on Monday'
    Relocating America's diplomatic HQ to Jerusalem would represent a major break with policy

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-us-embassy-israel-tel-aviv-jerusalem-reports-israeli-media-a7540476.html

    Stuff it, Odumbo!!!!!

  132. [132] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll

    And again you show you have no grasp of the English language.

    "Prove" joins "facts" in the butchering.

    Spock would be raising an eyebrow.

    A

  133. [133] 
    chaszzzbrown wrote:

    Michale [112]

    neilm: Or even a better preview capability - the current one squashes everything up, so I don't use it even though I know I should.

    All the lines run together

    CB's whiney-crutch thingy is supposed to fix the Preview Issue....

    Indeed! You can leave the filter off, and still get a much better Preview. The updated script is still at the previous location.

  134. [134] 
    michale wrote:

    Asshole,

    Troll

    And you are STILL lying... :D

    And again you show you have no grasp of the English language.

    "you have no grasp"???

    BBBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Try "you haven't any grasp" dumb-ass... :D

    Spock would be raising an eyebrow.

    Spock would be high-fiving me and would be saying, "Well, double-dumb-ass on you!"

    hehehehe

    You can't win, son... With every lame ass personal attack, you prove that it's you who are the troll.... :D

  135. [135] 
    michale wrote:

    "I can do this all day.."
    -Captain America

    :D heh

  136. [136] 
    michale wrote:

    Indeed! You can leave the filter off, and still get a much better Preview. The updated script is still at the previous location.

    I tried playing with it, but it's way above my pay-grade...

    But Neil is a lot smarter than I am.... :D

  137. [137] 
    michale wrote:

    Troll (Formerly Known As Asshole),

    If you are going to lecture someone on intelligence, it behooves you to at least TRY to show that you have more than 2 brain cells to rub together... :D

    I'm just sayin'.... :D

  138. [138] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll

    Where did I "lecture someone on intelligence"?
    Straw man arguments... a favorite of trolls.

    You're not saying much.

    A

  139. [139] 
    michale wrote:

    Troll (Formerly Known As Asshole)

    Where did I "lecture someone on intelligence"?

    And yer senile too...

    "And again you show you have no grasp of the English language."
    -Troll/Asshole

    Straw man arguments... a favorite of trolls.

    I know.. Which proves you are a troll, because that is ALL you ever have...

    You're not saying much.

    And yet, here you are... :D

    Gods, yer so damn easy.... :D

  140. [140] 
    michale wrote:

    Hay Ya'all....

    How were Pro-Life women treated at the Woman's march???

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/21/womens_march_erects_a_pro-life_barrier_132860.html

    I guess the Left Wingery is all about "Women's Rights"...

    As in women have the right to ONLY believe what the Left Wingery WANTS them to believe...

    Yea... GREAT march ya'all got there... :^/

    No wonder Trump won the election......

  141. [141] 
    neilm wrote:

    For example... You castigate Trump for his pussy grabbing comment, yet the Left Wingery glorifies and swoons over the likes of Jay Z and Beyonce who say worse things about women and make MILLIONS doing so..

    Yea.... NO hypocrisy there, eh?? :^/

    Jay Z and Beyonce are running for or are senior political leaders of the U.S.?

    Damn I'm out of touch. Well then your point is proven, since of course we hold the people who are responsible for the well being of 300M+ people and the largest arsenal the World has ever had at a higher level than popular entertainers.

  142. [142] 
    neilm wrote:

    Altohone/Michale:

    Drop the labels. Either just ignore each other or don't bother with salutations.

  143. [143] 
    neilm wrote:

    Altohone:

    I've known a couple of SS agents, and I don't think they all deserve to be tainted by the actions of a few.

    Fair enough - I got a firm hold of the wrong end of that stick - my bad.

  144. [144] 
    neilm wrote:

    You want to hold Trump and Right Wingers to everything they say, but you refuse to apply the same standard to Left Wingers..

    No, I'm holding the (throws up in mouth a bit) President of the U.S. to a high standard. And will continue to do so.

    The fact that the Republicans used to be the party that strutted about telling everybody what American Moral Standards are and claiming that were more Christian then everybody else, but now support Trump opens the door for a LOT of holier-then-thou payback.

    And I'm loving the opportunity to pay them back for their previous superiority.

    My great friend, who is an Evangelical pastor, a real Christian, and a man of impeccable morals, is absolutely devastated.

    Trumpism is a national disgrace. The fact that hardly anybody showed up on Friday is an indication that the real story from November isn't Hillary's emails, Russian interference or even Trump himself, it is the number of Republicans that were so sure Hillary was going to win that they felt safe voting Republican even though they are appalled by Trump.

  145. [145] 
    michale wrote:

    No, I'm holding the (throws up in mouth a bit) President of the U.S. to a high standard. And will continue to do so.

    But you DIDN'T hold the FORMER President to that same high standard..

    How come??

    Oh that's right. because HE had a '-D' after his name...

    Trumpism is a national disgrace. The fact that hardly anybody showed up on Friday is an indication that the real story from November isn't Hillary's emails, Russian interference or even Trump himself, it is the number of Republicans that were so sure Hillary was going to win that they felt safe voting Republican even though they are appalled by Trump.

    Which is EXACTLY my point..

    Trump isn't ideological..

    Ya'all are nothing BUT ideology..

    That is why ya'all's opinions are suspect... Because they come from a group that are Democrats first and Americans second...

  146. [146] 
    michale wrote:

    Drop the labels. Either just ignore each other or don't bother with salutations.

    I am game with that...

    I tried ignoring him, but he just kept trolling and trolling and trolling, so I figured I was done letting ya'all deal with yer troll.. I was going to have to take action myself..

    And here we are...

    You shut him up and I'll be happy to reciprocate...

    Jay Z and Beyonce are running for or are senior political leaders of the U.S.?

    JAY Z and Beyonce was held up as role models by the Left Wingery in general and Obama and Hillary in particular...

    So, it's a difference which makes no different..

    Damn I'm out of touch. Well then your point is proven, since of course we hold the people who are responsible for the well being of 300M+ people and the largest arsenal the World has ever had at a higher level than popular entertainers.

    No... You hold Trump to a higher level SOLELY because he has a '-R' after his name..

    Yes.. My point is proven...

  147. [147] 
    neilm wrote:

    Another article on why Trump is a joke. He is so thin skinned and childish it took American companies about 2 seconds how to play him. Now they can get around the Justice Department by having a meeting with Trump and pretending they conceded something to him so he was a great negotiator.

    Another "would be funny if it wasn't sad" aspect of Trump's total inability to be a real President.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-19/savvy-ceos-are-learning-to-manage-trump

  148. [148] 
    michale wrote:

    No... You hold Trump to a higher level SOLELY because he has a '-R' after his name..

    Yes.. My point is proven...

    Do you know how I know my point is proven??

    What standard did ya'all hold Ted Nugent to?? Or Toby Keith?? Or Lee Greenwood???

    The SAME standard ya held Trump to...

    And WHY??

    Because they all are Trump supporters..

    So, please... Don't give me that spiel about how Jay Z and Beyonce are "just entertainers" and, as such are not bound by common decency....

    If you don't have a problem with Jay Z's and Beyonce's misogny and their brutal verbal assaults on "hos" and "bitches" and "pimpin' da bitches" and the like, then you cannot have a problem with Trump's "grab them by the pussy" comment...

    It's that simple...

  149. [149] 
    michale wrote:

    Another "would be funny if it wasn't sad" aspect of Trump's total inability to be a real President.

    And yet, he beat the BIGGEST and MEANEST political juggernaut in the history of the planet...

    Maybe HE's right and ya are wrong...

    Can ya concede the possibility??

    Nope... And that's why you will fail.. :D

  150. [150] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll
    139

    So, now you're equating mastering English with intelligence?
    Such "logic" is impressive.

    Er, um, straw man proof would require an example... like I provided.
    Empty assertion isn't proof... you were agreeing with that a few days ago.
    Selective adherence to standards is yet another form of trollery.
    You're on a roll.

    I suppose I should be sincerely flattered by your imitation, but I know you're just regressing to "I know you are, but what am I", so the compliment falls flat.
    It is funny that you're lashing out after so many months of being called the troll that you are... and after so many here have called you one.
    A brief look at the trigger provides some interesting insight.

    At least you're not proud of the apt moniker.
    That's encouraging.

    Keep grasping at straws genius.

    A

  151. [151] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Y'know, I told my brother about our little impromptu group here, and told him that there were representatives of both the far left and far right included. "How do they get along?" he asked. "They call each other 'Troll'", I said, "But they agree that the center sucks." "Figures." he said.

  152. [152] 
    michale wrote:

    Troll (Formerly Known As ASSHOLE)

    So, now you're equating mastering English with intelligence?

    If you had any notion of science, you would realize mastering ANY language is an indication of of intelligence.

    Ach, look who I am talking to about intelligence and science. A silly little man who can't handle ANY discussion....

    I suppose I should be sincerely flattered by your imitation,

    Actually, you should be sincerely flattered that I even acknowledge your existence.

    But I like to fuck with you trolls on occasion. :D

    It is funny that you're lashing out after so many months of being called the troll that you are...

    Yea, as I said, I was hoping the liberals around here would actually practice what they preach and police their troll, but they seem to be fine with letting you troll everyone left and right..

    So I had to take matters into my own hands and bitch-slap you around myself......

    At least you're not proud of the apt moniker.
    That's encouraging.

    But you are of yours..

    That's expected...

    Keep grasping at straws genius.

    Keep trying with the reach-around, troll.... :D

  153. [153] 
    michale wrote:

    "It's been a real sllliiiicccceee"
    -Megaraa, HERCULES

    But dinner is ready and then it's TV time with the lovely wife...

    See ya'all in the AM....

  154. [154] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    The fact that hardly anybody showed up on Friday is an indication that the real story from November isn't Hillary's emails, Russian interference or even Trump himself, it is the number of Republicans that were so sure Hillary was going to win that they felt safe voting Republican even though they are appalled by Trump.

    That's what I've been saying to my friends! The story of this election isn't that Trump won (black swan event?), but rather the disintegration of the rest of the GOP.

    Y'know Trump let a little thing slip the other day that my brother picked up on. During a toast, or reception, he said that Reince Priebus had come to him during the primaries - at a time, he said, when there were still 17 other candidates - and said, 'I'm on your side. I'm with you.'

    I'll admit that, coming from Trump, it has a very small chance of being true, but..

    Isn't that the same thing that got DWS thrown out of the DNC? If Priebus had his thumb on the scale to that extent, he could have done all sorts of mischief (it would explain the 'kid's table', for instance). This is under-reported.

  155. [155] 
    John M wrote:

    First, let me say that I also agree that we need to get away from hurling insults at each other like Troll and Asshole. This in no way either fosters the real kind of communication that is needed or advances the kinds of discussions that need to take place if we are ever going to advance together as a nation.

    Secondly, and I hope that even Michale would agree here, the real issue is why, if what we ALL really want is for Trump to be a successful President for EVERYBODY, is the first thing his administration is doing, is destroying Trump's future credibility and effectiveness right out of the gate by blatantly lying to the American public over silly, petty things that are so easily fact checkable??? That is the REAL issue.

    Regardless of whether you think that we Michale have any moral standing to criticize or not, YOU Should be concerned YOURSELF, if as you say, you want Trump to win another 4 year term, and be successful, with just HOW BADLY his team is handling and dealing with all of this.

  156. [156] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale [84]

    We had Twitler suggesting the Second Amendment could prevent Hillary from adding liberal judges to the Supreme Court had she won, for Christ's sake!

    Yea, and the Left Wingery went bat shit crazy...

    And you defended Trump's actions! The hypocrisy here comes from you! YOU defend a man who suggested to his followers that they may need to use their Second Amendment rights against the President if they do not like her policies or who she picks for the court. YOU defend a man who openly bragged on video about how he uses his fame in order to sexually assault women. YOU constantly slam everyone who disagrees with you for not condemning actions that typically were not being discussed by anyone but you, but when have you ever condemned anything that Trump's campaign has done?

    Hypocrisy, thy name is Michale!

  157. [157] 
    neilm wrote:

    No... You hold Trump to a higher level SOLELY because he has a '-R' after his name..

    If you can't see the difference between Trump and Romney, or Bush 1, or Reagan it is your loss.

    I would hold them to the same standards that I do Obama, Clinton and Trump.

    Trump is not normal:

    Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: [to Igor] Now that brain that you gave me. Was it Hans Delbruck's?

    Igor: [pause, then] No.

    Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Ah! Very good. Would you mind telling me whose brain I DID put in?

    Igor: Then you won't be angry?

    Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: I will NOT be angry.

    Igor: Abby someone.

    Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: [pause, then] Abby someone. Abby who?

    Igor: Abby... Normal.

    Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: [pause, then] Abby Normal?

    Igor: I'm almost sure that was the name.

    Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: [chuckles, then] Are you saying that I put an abnormal brain into a seven and a half foot long, fifty-four inch wide GORILLA?
    [grabs Igor and starts throttling him]

    Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Is that what you're telling me?

    Young Frankenstein, 1974

  158. [158] 
    neilm wrote:

    It is going to be hilarious how much rank and file Republicans will miss Obama now he isn't there to keep all their wing nuts in check and there is a clown in the White House who is enabling them.

  159. [159] 
    neilm wrote:

    I can jump over the Empire State Building.

    - Alternate Fact

  160. [160] 
    neilm wrote:

    The Niners are going to win the SuperBowl next month

    - Alternate Fact

  161. [161] 
    neilm wrote:

    “This was the largest audience ever to witness an inauguration, period,”

    - Alternate Fact

  162. [162] 
    neilm wrote:

    Sean "Baghdad Bob" Spicer is going to be the entertainer of the year.

  163. [163] 
    neilm wrote:

    Nobody but the press want Donald Trump to release his tax returns

    - Alternate Fact

  164. [164] 
    altohone wrote:

    Balthy
    151

    You need to get out more if you think I represent the "far left".

    Right wing corporatists and foreign policy hawks presenting themselves as centrists is the myth that keeps on giving... inequality, corruption, death and destruction... and, of course, Trump.
    Congratulations.

    A

  165. [165] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll
    152

    You just keep digging your hole deeper.

    Trying to justify a straw man argument by changing the subject? Also known as trollery.

    Your imitation isn't flattery... just an inability to be original?

    You're trying to blame other commenters here for me calling you out for falsely lumping me in with them?
    And you want them to "shut me up"?
    This makes sense to you?

    And the dozen or so other folks here who've called you a troll are all wrong?
    And the even larger number who've called you a hypocrite are all wrong?
    You don't think that maybe there's a pattern you're missing?

    I have to say, a lying, hypocritical, science denying wingnut who relies on trollery whenever you can't debate honestly trying to claim the high ground is truly entertaining.

    Since you're having trouble ignoring me, you're veering into vulgarity, and you lack any authority, I believe there is a piece of helpful software available... which became popular because of your pleasant demeanor.
    Of course, you'd have to put your hypocrisy on full display yet again to use it.

    Decisions, decisions.

    A

  166. [166] 
    neilm wrote:

    2009:....1,800,000
    2017:.......160,000

    Ratings Machine baby!

  167. [167] 
    michale wrote:

    That's what I've been saying to my friends! The story of this election isn't that Trump won (black swan event?), but rather the disintegration of the rest of the GOP.

    My gods!!! The self-created delusion is ASTOUNDING!!!

    The Democrat Party is in the WORSE shape it's been in a century.. It's leader-less, rudder-less and hasn't a CLUE how to find it's way out from it's abyss..

    And YOU think it's the GOP that's disintegrating!???

    What have YOU been smoking??? :D

    Isn't that the same thing that got DWS thrown out of the DNC? If Priebus had his thumb on the scale to that extent, he could have done all sorts of mischief (it would explain the 'kid's table', for instance). This is under-reported.

    Unless then entirety of the RNC actively and surreptitiously campaigned against all the other candidates..

    No..

    It's not even on the SAME planet as what the DNC did..

    But, keep reaching for them straws.. :D

  168. [168] 
    michale wrote:

    JM,

    First, let me say that I also agree that we need to get away from hurling insults at each other like Troll and Asshole. This in no way either fosters the real kind of communication that is needed or advances the kinds of discussions that need to take place if we are ever going to advance together as a nation.

    I completely agree...

    But until ya'all can get yer Left Winger troll under control, I am going to continue to take the fight to him...

    Pressure him to behave like a civilized human being like ya'all always pressure me about my beliefs and he will stop eventually...

    Until ya'all do that, I'll be taking the fight to him...

    Secondly, and I hope that even Michale would agree here, the real issue is why, if what we ALL really want is for Trump to be a successful President for EVERYBODY, is the first thing his administration is doing, is destroying Trump's future credibility and effectiveness right out of the gate by blatantly lying to the American public over silly, petty things that are so easily fact checkable??? That is the REAL issue.

    That's not an issue at all..

    Let's first be clear about something..

    NO ONE here but me wants Trump to be successful..

    NO ONE..

    This is blatantly obvious..

    Secondly, it's ya'all that are concentrating on the petty and irrelevant..

    So, Spicer said that the media lied about the crowd size..

    WHO CARES!???

    I mean, it's not as if he lied about a critical piece of legislation that effects one sixth of our economy and totally destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of Americans...

    THAT would be a concern..

    But, all the Trump Administration is doing is exaggerating the size of the inauguration crowd..

    "OH MY GOD, WHAT A FUCKING NIGHTMARE!!"
    -Marisa Tomeii

    I mean, seriously... Is THAT the best ya'all got??

    It's nothing but Trump Derangement Syndrome...

    Regardless of whether you think that we Michale have any moral standing to criticize or not, YOU Should be concerned YOURSELF, if as you say, you want Trump to win another 4 year term, and be successful, with just HOW BADLY his team is handling and dealing with all of this.

    Shit, it's day one.. If THAT's the worst thing Trump does, then I would say he is in pretty good shape..

    It's ya'all I am worried about..

    If ya'all go THIS apeshit hysterical crazy over a crowd size inauguration, ya'all are going to vapor lock when Trump does something REALLY bad...

    Please.. Control ya'all's hysteria.. I'm worried about ya'all...

  169. [169] 
    michale wrote:

    And you defended Trump's actions!

    Actually, I didn't.. At the time, I said it was boorish and rude...

    But why let facts intrude on a good rant.. :D

    YOU constantly slam everyone who disagrees with you for not condemning actions that typically were not being discussed by anyone but you, but when have you ever condemned anything that Trump's campaign has done?

    Yes.. Many times..

    You're still not going to concede you were wrong about the Left Wingery boo'ing Bush at Obama's inauguration??

  170. [170] 
    michale wrote:

    If you can't see the difference between Trump and Romney, or Bush 1, or Reagan it is your loss.

    Hello!!??? McFly!!!???

    I know the difference between Trump and Romney and Bush...

    Trump is a Republican IN NAME ONLY...

    But that's enough for you to condemn him solely because of the '-R' after his name..

  171. [171] 
    michale wrote:

    It is going to be hilarious how much rank and file Republicans will miss Obama now he isn't there to keep all their wing nuts in check and there is a clown in the White House who is enabling them.

    TRUMP IS TOAST-esque prediction #690

    Wanna make a wager how many WRONG predictions yer going to make about Trump in the next 8 years?? :D

  172. [172] 
    michale wrote:

    Troll (Formerly Known As Asshole)

    You just keep digging your hole deeper.

    "You just keep digging my hole deeper"

    There.. Fixed it for you.. :D

    And the dozen or so other folks here who've called you a troll are all wrong?

    Another lie.. At most, it's been 3.. And those who did have been vanquished and disappeared..

    Like you, they called me names because they were tired of getting their asses handed to them on a daily basis.. So they lashed out like little insecure children and then they were gone..

    As you will be soon...

    I have to say, a lying, hypocritical, science denying wingnut who relies on trollery whenever you can't debate honestly trying to claim the high ground is truly entertaining.

    Well, at least you can admit what you are... That's an encouraging first step...

    Since you're having trouble ignoring me, you're veering into vulgarity, and you lack any authority, I believe there is a piece of helpful software available... which became popular because of your pleasant demeanor.
    Of course, you'd have to put your hypocrisy on full display yet again to use it.

    As I have aptly proven, I don't have any problem ignoring you. It's you who can't ignore me...

    But, as I said, I was hoping the adults of the Left Wingery would take a stand and reign in their pet troll...

    But they can't (or won't) so I am taking steps myself...

    You can't win, little man.. You have been WRONG about everything you ever stated and I am going to make sure I remind you of that FACT every day... :D

    It's gonna be fun... :D

    Have a happy... :D

  173. [173] 
    michale wrote:

    2009:....1,800,000
    2017:.......160,000

    Ratings Machine baby!

    And the fact that Odumbo was the first black president, of course, means nothing, right??

    Like I said, if ya'all are going to go this apeshit hysterical over crowd size, yer all going to positively keel over if Trump does do something REALLY bad...

  174. [174] 
    michale wrote:

    . YOU defend a man who openly bragged on video about how he uses his fame in order to sexually assault women.

    And YOUR candidate **LOST** to that man....

    What does THAT say about your candidate..

    What does that say about YOUR judgement in choosing that candidate??? :D

    That's just something there is no getting around..

    According to you, Trump is Hitler, Satan, Stalin, and Manson all rolled into one..

    But the fact remains that **YOUR** candidate LOST to him....

    So, given this fact, one of two possibilities exist..

    Either, Trump is not as bad as you claim and yer just being out of control hysterical...

    OR...

    Hillary is *WORSE* than Trump and YOU supported someone that is *WORSE* than Trump...

    So, which is it??

    You are hysterically lying about Trump because he beat your candidate...

    Or

    Your judgment is totally whacked off the scales because you CHOSE a candidate that was WORSE than Trump...

    To quote ya'all's pet troll, Asshole....

    "Decisions, decisions".... :D

  175. [175] 
    neilm wrote:

    Like I said, if ya'all are going to go this apeshit hysterical over crowd size

    Yeah, but it isn't like we are bringing it up. Trump thought it appropriate when talking about his admiration for the CIA and then made Sean "Baghdad Bob" Spicer give his first presser about it.

    Get used to it, you've got four more years of trying to defend a clown show.

  176. [176] 
    neilm wrote:

    And YOUR candidate **LOST** to that man....

    Don't mention the war. I did once but I think I got away with it.

  177. [177] 
    michale wrote:

    One of ya'alls protesters/looters/rioters held up a sign at the SoreLosers/SourGrapes protest...

    I DREAM ONE DAY WOMEN WILL HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS GUNS

    OK... OK.... Let's look at that..

    This totally moronic Left Winger dreams of the day when:

    - Men will have to wait 72 hours before they can take a woman on a date and must pass a full background investigation first..

    - Women will be banned from entering schools and college campuses.

    - Women banned from polling places on Election Day.

    - Men will have to pay a fee to have a woman around..

    - Women will be banned simply because they look too scary.

    - Women will be banned from all airports.

    - Women will have to be locked up at all times when not in use.

    This totally MORONIC Left Winger dreams of the day ANY business can put out a sign saying NO WOMEN ALLOWED and THIS IS A WOMAN FREE ZONE...

    THAT is what this Left Winger moron dreams of one day...

    Do Left Winger's EVER think before they strike???

  178. [178] 
    neilm wrote:

    So, still no sign of Trump's replacement plan for Obamacare yet. In fact still no sign of any plan. Hmm. Let's hope there isn't anything going wrong with the replace piece.

    Remember it has to have all the good bits of Obamacare but have lower deductibles, cover everybody and be much cheaper.

    Waiting.

  179. [179] 
    neilm wrote:

    I can't wait to see the delight on the faces of all our Generals ("Stupid!") when Trump tells them his secret plan to defeat ISIS.

    I mean he can't wait any longer otherwise we might think he was just making it up.

  180. [180] 
    neilm wrote:

    Odumbo

    Getting frustrated trying to defend Trump are we?

  181. [181] 
    michale wrote:

    Don't mention the war. I did once but I think I got away with it.

    Of course ya don't want me to mention the war.. :D

    Yeah, but it isn't like we are bringing it up.

    Actually, the Left Wingery did when it's pet media went all crazy comparing crowd sizes..

    So yer wrong there.. Ya'all DID bring it up.. :D

  182. [182] 
    michale wrote:

    Getting frustrated trying to defend Trump are we?

    Nope.. Just following the path yer blazing for me.. :D

  183. [183] 
    michale wrote:

    So, still no sign of Trump's replacement plan for Obamacare yet. In fact still no sign of any plan. Hmm. Let's hope there isn't anything going wrong with the replace piece.

    Remember it has to have all the good bits of Obamacare but have lower deductibles, cover everybody and be much cheaper.

    TrainWreckCare has had 6 years fucking over the country, the economy and the American people..

    I would have THOUGHT you would have given Trump more than 6 hours to fix it...

    But, of course, you can't.. Because Trump has that nasty and dirty '-R' after his name...

  184. [184] 
    michale wrote:

    Get used to it, you've got four more years of trying to defend a clown show.

    Nope.. it's going to be 8 years of ya'all trying to convince the American people that Ronald Reagan is really NOT a good President and that they are not happy and prosperous, but they are really poor and miserable..

    "Well, good luck with that..."
    -Jim Carrey, BRUCE ALMIGHTY

    :D

  185. [185] 
    michale wrote:

    I mean, com'on.. Let's face reality here..

    *NO ONE* here has ANY kind of credibility when it comes to predicting anything to do with Trump...

    ZERO credibility..

    So, give me one good reason why I should believe that this time... THIS time, you will be right???

    ALL of your predictions, past, present and future are based on one thing and one thing only..

    Party slavery and wishful thinking...

    OK, that's two things... :D

    I would like to believe you...

    But, I just don't have any logical or rational reason to do so...

    Until you can acknowledge yer past and come up with an argument that yer future will be different, I cannot see anything but more of the same.

    Ya'all predict Trump's imminent demise or imminent screw-up and then Trump beats ya'all, flipping up middle fingers and leaves the nay-sayers in the dust...

    THAT is what it's going to be like for the next 8 years...

  186. [186] 
    michale wrote:

    I would like to believe you...

    "No, not really. I can't back that up."
    -Dr Evil

    :D

  187. [187] 
    michale wrote:

    Ya'all are doing the EXACT same thing ya'all incessantly accused the Republicans of doing..

    Ya'all are trying to de-legitimize President Trump...

    So, if I understand this correctly, when the Right tries to de-legitimize a Democrat President, that is bad. Horror of horrors.. Terroristic...

    BUT....

    When the Left tries to de-legitimize a Republican President.... THAT is noble, pure, good and right...

    And ya'all don't see ANY hypocrisy in that??? None at all???

    "Fascinating"
    -Spock

  188. [188] 
    michale wrote:

    The Pointless Paranoia of the Women's Marches

    Excuse me if I don't get it. What exactly was motivating them?

    Oh, right, Donald Trump, that vulgar misogynist who bragged about pu**y grabbing (asterisks to dissociate myself from Madonna, even though I'm aging too). I'm going to skip over the obvious - these same women almost all ignored Bill Clinton actually doing (not just mouthing off about) similar activities in the Oval Office, not to mention on numerous other occasions, some of which we know about and some of which we may not. Further, these women didn't have much to say -- no demonstrations, no marches, maybe a few hashtags -- when radical Islamists of various stripes regularly kidnapped large numbers of women (Nigerians, Yazidis, Kurds, etc., etc.) from their homes and took them as sex slaves, often beheading them after they finished raping them. Nor did they even pipe up when honor killings were going on in their own backyard.
    https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2017/01/21/the-pointless-paranoia-of-the-womens-marches/

    This is EXACTLY why that woman's protest/riot/looting was so utterly sad and ridiculous..

    It's based on NOTHING but partisan and ideological slavery...

    "What!! Yer a woman, but yer pro-life!!?? Get the frak out!! You don't get any rights!!"

    and...

    "What!!! Bill Clinton grabbed pussy and raped women!!??? Oh, that's OK... He has a '-D' after his name so sexual assault and rape are perfectly acceptable when he does it.."

    You see?? Such anti-Trump protests have absolutely NO CREDIBILITY or moral foundation whatsoever...

    They are utterly and completely and solely based on NOTHING but Party slavery...

    I am honestly surprised ya'all buy into that total crock o' crap...

  189. [189] 
    michale wrote:

    I am honestly surprised ya'all buy into that total crock o' crap...

    "No, not really. I can't back that up."
    -Dr Evil

    :D heh

  190. [190] 
    michale wrote:

    Listen,

    YOU defend a man who openly bragged on video about how he uses his fame in order to sexually assault women.

    Until such time as you condemn Bill Clinton for his rapes and sexual assaults.... Until such time as you condemn Left Wingery role models like JayZ et al for their brutal verbal assaults on women.....

    Until such time as you do that, you have absolutely NO MORAL FOUNDATION whatsoever to condemn Trump's SINGLE 'pussy grabbing' locker room talk statement...

    NO.... MORAL.... FOUNDATION....

    NONE... ZERO... ZILCH.... NADA....

  191. [191] 
    michale wrote:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump could sign an executive order as early as Monday intended to renegotiate the free trade agreement between the United States, Canada and Mexico, NBC News reported, citing an unidentified White House official.

    In addition to wanting to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the new Republican president also intends to sign an executive order pulling out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), NBC reported.

    Trump, who was sworn in as the 45th U.S. president on Friday, targeted both trade pacts during his White House campaign.

    Officials were not immediately available to confirm the report to Reuters. Trump's official schedule includes a 10:30 a.m. EST (1530 GMT) signing of executive orders in the Oval Office.
    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-early-monday-renegotiate-nafta-nbc-125905061--business.html

    You GO, Mr President!!! :D

    America is behind you 1000% :D

  192. [192] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    "It's like deja vu all over again"
    -Yogi Berra

    It didn't take long for things to get back to normal. The same old attacks and defenses endlessly repeated.
    The bottom line is that the divide and conquer strategy is alive and well and those of you attacking and defending are just sheeple being led to the slaughter.
    Whether it was Trump or Clinton that you bought into you were suckered.
    Until you wake up and start to work against the Big Money that controls both parties instead of trying to feel better about being a sheeple by defending your side or useless protesting (not all protesting is useless, but the sour grapes march was) you will be watching the same show again after the next election cycle.
    It's time to pick a new approach and a new side.

    "Why if people didn't try something new, then there wouldn't be hardly any progress at'all"
    -Cat Ballou

  193. [193] 
    neilm wrote:

    America is behind you 38%

  194. [194] 
    michale wrote:

    Supermarket operator Kroger to fill 10,000 permanent posts
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-kroger-employement-idUSKBN1571NU?il=0

    And another 10,000 jobs to Trump's growing tally... :D

    Of course, no one here will give Trump any credit for it..

    Hundreds of thousands of new and saved jobs under Trump and it's ALL just a HUGE coincidence.... :D

    RRRRRRRiiiiiiggggggghhhhhttttttt :D

  195. [195] 
    michale wrote:

    Supermarket operator Kroger to fill 10,000 permanent posts
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-kroger-employement-idUSKBN1571NU?il=0

    And another 10,000 jobs to Trump's growing tally... :D

    Of course, no one here will give Trump any credit for it..

    Hundreds of thousands of new and saved jobs under Trump and it's ALL just a HUGE coincidence.... :D

    RRRRRRRiiiiiiggggggghhhhhttttttt :D

  196. [196] 
    neilm wrote:

    Don [192]

    We know all this. But until you can transform the American electorate into engaged and educated voters you have to go with the least venal option.

  197. [197] 
    michale wrote:

    We know all this. But until you can transform the American electorate into engaged and educated voters you have to go with the least venal option.

    The problem is you only think that voters are "engaged and educated" when they vote for your Party....

    That's not logical...

  198. [198] 
    michale wrote:

    Don,

    Whether it was Trump or Clinton that you bought into you were suckered.

    The evidence is clear that, if you bought into Clinton, you were suckered..

    There is no conclusive evidence that proves that those who bought into Trump were suckered...

    You MIGHT be right..

    But, to date, there is no factual that proves you are right...

    Time will tell...

    And, as our lovely Liz always says, "It usually does" :D

    Until you wake up and start to work against the Big Money that controls both parties

    We're already there.. Trump PROVED that one can win an election without big money from lobbyists and dirtbags with an agenda...

    It's time to pick a new approach and a new side.

    We just did...

    We'll see where it takes us.... :D

  199. [199] 
    michale wrote:

    TAIPEI (Reuters) - Foxconn, the world's largest contract electronics maker, is considering setting up a display-making plant in the United States in an investment that would exceed $7 billion, company chairman and chief executive Terry Gou said on Sunday.

    The plans come after U.S. President Donald Trump pledged to put "America First" in his inauguration speech on Friday, prompting Gou to warn about the rise of protectionism and a trend for politics to underpin economic development.
    https://www.yahoo.com/tech/foxconn-ceo-says-investment-display-plant-u-exceed-120029682--finance.html

    President Donald Trump...

    MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

    :D

  200. [200] 
    michale wrote:

    Nobody but the press want Donald Trump to release his tax returns

    - Alternate Fact

    Michael Brown had his hands up and was shot in the back..

    Eric Garner couldn't breathe

    Trayvon Martin was a church choir boy...

    Benghazi was caused by an anti-muslim video...

    If you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance...

    Donald Trump is going to crash and burn...

    Donald Trump will NEVER win the nomination...

    Donald Trump will NEVER be POTUS...

    You want me to go on??

    Or are you ready to admit that your Democrat Party is ass deep in "alternate facts".....

  201. [201] 
    neilm wrote:

    Michale:

    Are you going to claim that Trump is due for credit for every new job or job loss over the next four years - I mean personally responsible?

    Let me know.

  202. [202] 
    michale wrote:

    http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/01/23/woman-kicked-off-plane-for-berating-trump-supporter-in-viral-video.html

    Ahhh yes... The peace and tolerance of the Left Wingery...

    Ya'all complain that it's Trump who is all about hate, but the facts clearly show that it's the Left Wingery that is all about hate....

    Before complaining about the alleged "hate" from Trump supporters, maybe the Left should clean their own house first, eh??

    I'm just sayin'... :D

  203. [203] 
    michale wrote:

    Are you going to claim that Trump is due for credit for every new job or job loss over the next four years - I mean personally responsible?

    I'll answer your question WITH a question..

    Are you going to claim that Trump is due for blame for every little thing over the next four years - I mean personally responsible?

    Your answer is my answer.. :D

  204. [204] 
    neilm wrote:

    Are you going to claim that Trump is due for blame for every little thing over the next four years - I mean personally responsible?

    Yes, of course.

    So how do you explain these layoffs announced in the last few days:

    1,000 laid off at Oracle?
    Announced layoffs at SLU (numbers TBD)?
    Square D layoffs (TBD)?
    Crunchyroll layoffs (TBD)?
    WalMart HQ layoffs (>1,000)?
    Nassau Regional OTB layoffs (50)?
    Micorsoft layoffs (>700)?
    Lowe's layoffs (>2,400)?
    PG&E layoffs (>1,200)?
    Montebello Unified layoffs (TBD)?

    Sad!

  205. [205] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    neilm- (196)-
    I have been trying and will continue to try until I succeed.
    "Never give up- Never surrender"
    Quincy Taggart- Galaxy Quest
    But unfortunately people would rather attend feel good rallies than do anything about it.
    So let's do something about it and organize a rally where we sing the following song:
    (sung to Bob Dylan's Maggie's Farm)

    I ain't gonna work on Hillary's farm no more.
    I ain't gonna work on Hillary's farm no more.
    Well I listen to her bullshit
    and how she tries to explain
    how her Big Money's different
    and that's completely insane.
    It's way past time we showed her out the door.
    I ain't gonna work on Hillary's farm no more.

    I ain't gonna work on the Donald's farm no more.
    I ain't gonna work on the Donald's farm no more.
    He put's his cigar
    out in your face just for kicks.
    He tweets out more crap
    each time the clock ticks.
    The Secret Service stands around his door.
    I ain't gonna work on the Donald's farm no more.

    I ain't gonna work on Duopoly farm no more.
    I ain't gonna work on Duopoly farm no more.
    Well, I try my best
    to be just like I am
    but everybody wants you
    to be just like them
    They sing while you slave
    and I just get bored
    I ain't gonna work on Duopoly farm no more.

    One more time. Everybody join in.
    Anybody?
    Anybody?
    Buehler?

  206. [206] 
    michale wrote:

    Yes, of course.

    OK.. So, in your mind, Trump gets ALL of the blame and none of the credit..

    In my mind, Trump gets some of the credit and some of the blame..

    OK, glad we got that settled... :D

    Now, all you have do is address 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 177, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 201, 202, 203 and 204....

    THEN you'll be all caught up.. :D

  207. [207] 
    michale wrote:

    America is behind you 38%

    Yer, right.. I erred...

    PATRIOTIC AMERICANS are behind you 1000%

    Thank you for pointing out my error, Neil.. :D

  208. [208] 
    michale wrote:

    I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THE AFC AND NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES!!!

    I am going to riot and loot and destroy because I am all about peace and tolerance!!

    Support groups being formed right now. We need donations of play dough and warm fuzzy stuffed animals..
    -#notmySuperBowl

    You see how completely and utterly ridiculous ya'all sound?? :D

    On the flip side, Liberals should take note..

    https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16196013_637650256437918_4096963549360477423_n.jpg?oh=d39bc62ac2e98c2dcf44c5dffd69dfff&oe=590332D0

    Your first female President is coming soon... :D

  209. [209] 
    michale wrote:

    How crazy have things gotten when wanting healing and unity makes you a public enemy?
    http://nypost.com/2017/01/21/in-hollywood-supporting-trump-is-worse-than-admitting-to-rape/

    It's a sad, sad world that the Democrat Party created...

    With Trump in charge, things are going to be a LOT better...

  210. [210] 
    neilm wrote:

    PATRIOTIC AMERICANS are behind you 1000%

    So you can only be patriotic if you are a Trump Fanboy?

    This is exactly what Trump wants. He gets to pick the press that cover him, sideline any dissent as non-American and decides what is true and isn't.

    You really think this is the essence of American patriotism?

    Breaking News: You are more Russian than American in your philosophy.

  211. [211] 
    michale wrote:

    Today’s ceremony, however, has very special meaning because today, we are not merely transferring power from one administration to another or from one party to another, but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C. and giving it back to you, the people.
    -President Trump

    Trump said 'I' 3 times and 'we' 45 times... Compare that to an Obama 20 min speech where he said 'I' 120 times and 'we' zero times....

    That says it all as to where Trump is coming from....

    The American people are back in charge.....

  212. [212] 
    neilm wrote:

    giving it back to you, the people.

    Good, then I order you to resign.

  213. [213] 
    neilm wrote:

    And since most people don't want Trump in the White House, he should listen to the people and skedaddle.

  214. [214] 
    michale wrote:

    Once again, you are confusing 'the people' with patriotic Americans...

    Trump is your president..

    It's time you accepted that fact...

  215. [215] 
    michale wrote:
  216. [216] 
    michale wrote:

    HA!!!

    Obama had a worse approval rating average than Ronald Reagan, Dubya and even Richard Nixon!!!

    THAT puts Obama's performance in it's proper context... :D

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/479-obama-had-lower-average-approval-rating-nixon-or-bush

  217. [217] 
    michale wrote:

    Sign seen from Woman's March protester..

    "I wish my uterus had bullets so government wouldn't regulate it"

    Jeezus H Christ....

    Where do ya'all FIND these people!????

    They are giving ya'all a very bad name.....

  218. [218] 
    michale wrote:

    Bomb threats don’t Trump hate: PIERS MORGAN on the day Madonna and a bunch of famous, foul-mouthed nasty women let down ladies everywhere
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4148206/PIERS-MORGAN-Madonna-Bomb-threats-don-t-Trump-hate.html

    Madonna is now the leader of the Democrat Party...

    This is what the Left Wingery has allowed to happen...

    :^/

  219. [219] 
    michale wrote:

    So you can only be patriotic if you are a Trump Fanboy?

    No.. You can only be patriotic when you put America before Global Corporatism...

    Those who support Hillary wouldn't understand about that..

    This is exactly what Trump wants. He gets to pick the press that cover him, sideline any dissent as non-American and decides what is true and isn't.

    Change TRUMP to OBAMA and you just described the last 8 years perfectly...

    You really think this is the essence of American patriotism?

    yes I do... And the next 8 years will prove me right...

    Just like the election proved me right about Trump....

  220. [220] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll
    172

    You keep claiming you will "vanquish" me in the same way you've chased countless good people away from CW's site with your lying, projection and crapflooding (pardon my French CW, but that's the technical term).
    What's wrong?
    Are your methods proving ineffective?

    Maybe you're subconsciously having second thoughts about hurting CW while publicly patting yourself on the back for the results of your incivility?
    That seems unlikely.
    You're probably just losing your touch.

    Going from "I tried ignoring him (but couldn't)" to "I don't have any problem ignoring you" certainly exemplifies your honesty.

    Appealing to the community that had to resort to software to screen out your trollery for help cracks me up.
    There's nothing like a troll begging for assistance and trying to shift responsibility onto others for his failures.

    Insisting that others enforce "civility" to protect your delicate soul from accurate, substantiated assessments, while you refuse to abide by the same standard is just further hypocrisy.

    "You have been WRONG about everything you ever stated and I am going to make sure I remind you of that FACT every day..."

    Once again, you demonstrate what a liar you are.
    And that your definition of "fact" is based on delusion...
    Mr. "you know I hate to agree with him" Troll proves himself wrong...
    ... or, maybe you were wrong when you admitted you agreed with me on the Russian hacking claims?

    Which is it troll?
    Are your recurring memory problems the issue here?
    If they're getting worse, it could explain a lot, and people may cut you some slack.

    A

  221. [221] 
    michale wrote:

    Troll (Formerly Known As Asshole)

    I know you are saying something because I see your words, but yer speaking gibberish because I don't speak little bitch...

    :D

    Thank Dean Winchester for that little gem...

    Your time here is past, little bit... Now yer just my little chew toy.... :D

  222. [222] 
    michale wrote:

    https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16115054_619876888208314_817158510512414073_n.jpg?oh=d9a559311676d091ccc064536a75aeaf&oe=59243084

    That's the current Left Wingery in a nutshell....

    Enjoy ya'all's Democrat Party for the next 8 years... :D

  223. [223] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale,

    I misread,

    "Bush was incessantly booed 8 years ago by the Left Wingery..."

    I read it : Bush was incessantly booed for 8 years by the Left Wingery..."

    Did some people boo Bush during Obama's inauguration? Yes. Did people boo when Obama or Hillary were mentioned by Trump? Yes. It's rude, but it's to be expected in a nation that allows for free speech.

    Incessantly would not be how I would describe it, but I was mistaken in my response to your actual statement.

  224. [224] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    That makes a big difference, doesn't it ...

  225. [225] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    ... just by replacing ago with for and mixing up the order ...

    There is a lesson here ...

  226. [226] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    ... or should I say, repealing ago and replacing with for ... :)

  227. [227] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I love this place.

  228. [228] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Eric Garner couldn't breathe

    He died after going into complete respiratory failure. Other factors were his obesity, high blood pressure, and positional asphyxiation.

    I get your point, but once again you choose to address issues not being discussed or relevant to the discussion and ignore the actual topic. You fail to address the fact that Trump lied when he promised he would release his tax returns if he won.

    Also, the ACA did not cause a single person to lose their healthcare plan. The law was specifically written not to cause that. Those that lost the plan they had should blame their healthcare provider for choosing to drop the plan. They did that all on their own! But hey, blaming Obama for everything is what you have been programmed to do, I get it!

  229. [229] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Liz,

    I see what you did there! ; D

  230. [230] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Heh.

  231. [231] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll
    221

    There's your idea of civility on display.

    When you can't man up and admit you're wrong, you spew insults and stick your head in the sand.

    Is that what they taught you at the police academy, or did you pick it up from your grandchildren?

    A

  232. [232] 
    neilm wrote:

    Interesting take on the dangers of populists:

    https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2017/01/20/culturejam/

    Recognize the "you're not real Americans" (because we aren't patriotic enough because we don't blindly follow the leader).

  233. [233] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Until such time as you do that, you have absolutely NO MORAL FOUNDATION whatsoever to condemn Trump's SINGLE 'pussy grabbing' locker room talk statement...

    Bragging about committing sexual assault is NOT "locker room talk" except in prison locker rooms!

    You don't decide whether I have the moral foundation to condemn anyone, nor do you set the standards by which that is determined. You support a rapist, a man who scams the elderly with courses designed to do nothing but take their money, a man who is so great at business that he thought selling steak through an electronics store would be a winner, a man who made the CIA staff he spoke to stand the entire time and bragged at the length of the ovations they gave him! You might want to worry about your own moral compass.

  234. [234] 
    michale wrote:

    Russ,

    Incessantly would not be how I would describe it, but I was mistaken in my response to your actual statement.

    Thank you...

    I get your point, but once again you choose to address issues not being discussed or relevant to the discussion and ignore the actual topic. You fail to address the fact that Trump lied when he promised he would release his tax returns if he won.

    No, it's only a lie if Trump stated he would release his returns if he won, but he knew full well he would not.

    Since you can't possibly know what was in Trump's mind, your accusation of Trump lying is false and not logical..

    On the other hand, we know for a fact that Obama knew full well that tens of thousands of Americans would lose their health insurance under TrainWreckCare. So, when Obama stated "If you like your healthcare plan you can keep your healthcare plan", we know for a FACT that THAT was a lie..

    You see how it works??

    Also, the ACA did not cause a single person to lose their healthcare plan.

    I honestly don't know how to respond to such a complete fabrication...

    So I won't..

  235. [235] 
    michale wrote:

    Troll, (Formerly Known As Asshole)

    There's your idea of civility on display.

    I am simply addressing to you in the manner that you address me..

    You want me to treat you with civility, you treat me with civility...

    Until such time as that comes to pass, yer my bitch...

  236. [236] 
    michale wrote:

    Recognize the "you're not real Americans" (because we aren't patriotic enough because we don't blindly follow the leader).

    No.. You are not "real Americans" because you supported a Presidential Candidate who wanted to turn American sovereignty over to the forces of globalist corporatism..

    It was patriotic Americans who put a man in office who would prevent that..

    You made your choice and now you have to live with the consequences of that choice...

  237. [237] 
    michale wrote:

    Bragging about committing sexual assault is NOT "locker room talk" except in prison locker rooms!

    It is regular locker room talk, but that's not the point.

    The point is, until such time as you condemn Bill Clinton for his rapes and sexual assaults and condemn Democrat Party roll models such as JayZ et al for their excessively violent lyrics against women..

    Until such time as you do that on a meaningful and ongoing basis.....

    You have no moral or ethical foundation to castigate Trump for his ONE locker room antic...

    You don't decide whether I have the moral foundation to condemn anyone, nor do you set the standards by which that is determined.

    Yes I do...

    You support a rapist,

    No, I don't... But you do...

    You might want to worry about your own moral compass.

    It pointed me to where I am at today..

    So, I am guessing my compass is working just fine.. :D

  238. [238] 
    michale wrote:

    I love this place.

    And we love you in it.. :D

  239. [239] 
    michale wrote:

    Trump Wins The Unions: Teamsters Praise TPP Withdrawal, Labor Chiefs Describe "Incredible" Meeting With Trump

    But even more notable, was the dramatic pivot by the US labor unions, historically stalwart democrat supporters, who have suddenly emerged as big supporters of Trump policies, and perhaps no one more so than AFL-CIO President Rich Trumka who said TPP withdrawal is "a good first step toward building trade policies that benefit workers."

    As a reminder, nearly all major unions endorsed Trump's rival, Hillary Clinton, during the presidential election campaign: they now appear to be shifting their allegiance.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-23/labor-unions-pivot-praise-trumps-tpp-withdrawal-describe-meeting-president-incredibl

    Looks like the Unions are coming around to Trump...

    With the Unions on his side, Trump is going to be unstoppable in 2020....

    Democrats might as well pack it in and concede 2020 right now and start working towards 2024... :D

  240. [240] 
    michale wrote:

    THE ART OF THE REPEAL

    WASHINGTON — President Trump upended America’s traditional, bipartisan trade policy on Monday as he formally abandoned the ambitious, 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership brokered by his predecessor and declared an end to the era of multinational trade agreements that defined global economics for decades.

    With the stroke of a pen on his first full weekday in office, Mr. Trump signaled that he plans to follow through on promises to take a more aggressive stance against foreign competitors as part of his “America First” approach. In doing so, he demonstrated that he would not follow old rules, effectively discarding longstanding Republican orthodoxy that expanding global trade was good for the world and America — and that the United States should help write the rules of international commerce.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/politics/tpp-trump-trade-nafta.html

    :D

    Trump is keeping his promises... What a unique thing in a President, eh???

    Making America great again...

  241. [241] 
    michale wrote:

    https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16115027_10154285604413595_8158149791989777947_n.jpg?oh=4abd0573cd319b27d469b2730370e916&oe=591A96A9

    Yea... TRUMP degrades women... :^/

    Looks like Democrat "leaders" do a bang-up job of that, themselves....

    I'm just sayin'...

  242. [242] 
    michale wrote:

    Senate confirms Pompeo as CIA director, Tillerson clears committee vote
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/23/senate-confirms-pompeo-as-cia-director-tillerson-clears-committee-vote.html

    So much for the Left's "vaunted" opposition to Trump's cabinet choices.. :D

    The libertarian-leaning Paul told Fox News that he voted against Pompeo because of worries that Pompeo's "desire for security will trump his defense of liberty."

    Someone should let Clueless Rand in on a little secret..

    All things being equal, security *ALWAYS* trumps liberty....

    ALWAYS...

    That's why you don't have the liberty to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater... Unless there is one, of course. :D

  243. [243] 
    michale wrote:

    Listen,

    Bragging about committing sexual assault is NOT "locker room talk" except in prison locker rooms!

    Ever listen to the lyrics of SUMMER NIGHTS by Olivia Newton John and John Travolta??

    Same thing...

    Your condemnation of Trump is based on his politics, not his actions...

    We know this because Bill Clinton's actions have been much MUCH worse and yet you still support him and his wife who enabled such actions and mercilessly attacked the victims of Bill's actions..

    You'll notice ALL of Trump's accusers have up and disappeared right after Trump creamed Hillary Clinton in the election...

    That right there tells us all we need to know about those accusations....

    While the Left may have legitimate gripes about Trump (emphasis on 'maybe') the fact is, THIS is not one of them...

  244. [244] 
    michale wrote:

    https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16114597_620540864808583_6029152583207138573_n.jpg?oh=193107c1278f290b04f659fef5118f0a&oe=5910760C

    The difference between patriotic American women and Left Wingery women....

    Who would YOU follow?? :^/

  245. [245] 
    michale wrote:
  246. [246] 
    michale wrote:

    Remember how the Left Wingery demonized Trump for "attacking" a Gold Star family??

    A massive group of violent demonstrators spat on, assaulted and screamed obscenities at a Gold Star widow and sister Friday outside an inaugural ball honoring the military, one of the women told “Fox & Friends” on Tuesday.

    Amy Looney, who lost her husband Navy SEAL Lt. Brendan Looney in 2010, and Ryan Manion, whose brother Marine First Lt. Travis Manion died in 2007, said they were attacked as they tried to enter the American Legion’s tribute to Medal of Honor recipients at the Veterans Inaugural Ball.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/24/gold-star-family-members-say-were-assaulted-during-inaugural-ball-festivities.html

    Of course, when Gold Star families who are Trump supporters are REALLY and PHYSICALLY attacked...

    Where is the condemnation from the Left Wingery???

    {{cchhhiiiirrrrppppp}} {{chirrrrrpppppppppp}}

    No where to be found...

    Ya'all see what I mean?? The Left Wingery doesn't give two shits about Gold Star families...

    It's ALL partisan/ideological based claptrap... Nothing more...

    The proof is conclusive and over-whelming...

  247. [247] 
    michale wrote:

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President-elect Trump’s job performance. Forty-three percent (43%) disapprove.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jan24

    That's just GOT to piss the Left Wingery off... :D

  248. [248] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Neil: The article that you linked to at [232] has been the most thought-provoking thing so far, of the day. I've spent hours mulling over it.

    In a sense, you could say that Chavez pointed the way out of the wilderness for all of the un-reconstructed communists and would-be fascists: populism can be re-tuned to fit any ideology. You no longer have to be a slave to the logical inconsistencies of Marx or Ayn Rand. Trump takes that a step further, insisting that his lack of logical consistency is a feature, not a bug, in his philosophy. He attempts to innoculate himself from criticism by claiming to not have any discernible ideology, save for whatever's in his head at any particular moment. I noticed that his popularity took a dip as soon as he began announcing his cabinet. That changed after it became clear that many in his cabinet seem to disagree with him. That indicates that his supporters also view ideological consistency, to the degree that Trump displays any, as a flaw.

    This makes perfect sense if you keep in mind the specific demographics of the Trump voter: in many ways the message of the Trump campaign wasn't "America First", it was "Me First!"

    There are some uncomfortable parallels to this on the Left as well, particularly when Bernie supporters weren't keen on asking tough questions of their candidate, like, "How do you expect to pay for all this, exactly?" To them, the siren call of universal healthcare and free college 'trumped' the usually common concerns of proposing a program that can actually be delivered.

    Indeed, it betrays the conceit that one might call the Obama Doctrine - that if you are willing to bend to some of your political opponent's demands, you can achieve more for your side. The GOP took that olive branch and stomped it into oil, then put it on a FU Salad. So much for Obama's dream of bi-partisanship. Historians will probably note the incredible opportunity this could have meant for conservatives - the chance to re-formulate the policies of this country into something that both sides could support, ushering in an era wherein the divisions of the electorate could be channeled into productive progress for all - was squandered. The Right would reply: So What? We Won.

    And that gets me back to the problems with the article you posted. The writer, as someone who has been in the trenches in opposition to someone very, very much like Trump, makes some salient points, but underplays an important fact: they didn't beat Chavez, they outlasted him, and not much has been resolved since then.

    The only way to beat America's version of Chavez is to whip him politically at the polls two years from now, and then again in 2020. I could go down to the Waffle House and do shots with the locals in the parking lot (and have, actually), but that's not going to advance my cause one iota. Trying to win back Trump voters is like pining for an old girlfriend.

    Over half of the eligible electorate didn't even bother to vote this year. That's the kind of dating partner that we need: Fresh, unsullied, less likely to spend the evening chastising us for some imagined slight from the past...

  249. [249] 
    michale wrote:

    The only way to beat America's version of Chavez is to whip him politically at the polls two years from now, and then again in 2020.

    It's highly unlikely that the Democrat Party will be ready for battle in 2020 and certainly not in 2018...

    So, what will be yer excuse then???

    How many more shellacking's will the Left endure before they take a look in the mirror and say, "Maybe it's us... Maybe it's our beliefs that are wrong"???

    Doing the exact same thing over and over again, hoping for a different result is the very definition of insane...

    Until the Left comes to grips with the FACT that they are part of the problem and not part of the solution, they will be forever the minority...

  250. [250] 
    michale wrote:

    My Job Is To Tell White People When To Shut Their Mouths
    -DNC Chair Candidate

    And Democrats wonder why they have been totally decimated in the last 6 years.. Nothing like wholesale racism to motivate the American voter, eh??

    DUH.......

  251. [251] 
    michale wrote:

    HA!!!

    Pressured by Trump, Mexico ready to discuss NAFTA rules in US Talks
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-nafta-mexico-idUSKBN1582UQ

    Trump says "JUMP!!" and Mexico says "HOW HIGH!??" on the way up!!!

    And ya'all claimed that Mexico would give the US the finger....

    Trump wrote the BOOK on the art of the deal....

    Make America Great Again

  252. [252] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Mexico says they are willing to discuss our trade agreement with them, that is all! What did you think they were going to do, try to ignore the request to talk? You really are having to search hard for something positive about Trump's first few days... How sad!

    Trump had a ghost writer write the book...so once again you give credit where no credit is due!

  253. [253] 
    michale wrote:

    Mexico says they are willing to discuss our trade agreement with them, that is all! What did you think they were going to do, try to ignore the request to talk?

    That's exactly what ya'all claimed Mexico would do.. :D

    Trump had a ghost writer write the book...so once again you give credit where no credit is due!

    And yet, Hillary and Obama really wrote their books, right??

    Once again, you refuse to give Trump credit where credit is due... :D

  254. [254] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll

    It's good to have goals. Even unattainable ones.
    And you aspiring to be a pimp doesn't surprise me one bit.

    I do like how you think engaging in trollery is civilized, and that me calling you out on it and your lies justifies your foul mouthed pettiness.

    You sound just like Hillary blaming everybody else for her actions.

    A

  255. [255] 
    michale wrote:

    Troll (Formerly Known As Asshole)

    I do like how you think engaging in trollery is civilized, and that me calling you out on it and your lies justifies your foul mouthed pettiness.

    You being an asshole (as everyone has noticed) is what justifies me responding in kind...

    Does the bad language make your vagina hurt, little bit???

    wwwaaaaaaa wwwwaaaaaaaaa Do you need me to call a wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaa-mbulance for you?? :D What a precious little snow-flake.... :D

    If you can't handle it, son, you know how to stop it... :D

  256. [256] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll

    Do you need a hanky?
    You're drooling civility.

    A

  257. [257] 
    michale wrote:

    Troll (Formerly Known As Asshole)

    You mean, I am kicking your ass six ways from Sunday... :D

  258. [258] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll

    Toy poodles don't even scare chew toys.

    A

  259. [259] 
    michale wrote:

    Troll (Formerly Known As Asshole)

    I am really glad to have you PROVE that you just aren't that "into" me... :D

    Dance, Puppet... Dance!! :D

    I OWN you....

  260. [260] 
    altohone wrote:

    Troll

    Now you want to be a slave master.
    Again, not the least bit surprising.

    And leave Oprah out of it.

    A

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