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Friday Talking Points -- The Reclosing Begins

[ Posted Friday, June 26th, 2020 – 17:29 UTC ]

America, led by President Donald Trump and (mostly) Republican governors across the country, launched a grand experiment a few months back. Rather than following guidelines and milestones recommended by top epidemiologists, each state would reopen its economy as it saw fit. If your governor felt comfortable enough with the state of things, then the doors would be thrown open. This all started just before Memorial Day weekend, when Trump decided he was bored with the pandemic. And now it's becoming pretty obvious that this experiment has failed, and failed badly. And tens of thousands of Americans are paying a very steep price for this exercise in unfounded optimism.

Nationally, new cases have spiked up to around 40,000 per day. That is far above where those numbers were back in February and March, the two worst months of the first wave of the pandemic. Individual states are being hit very hard, and I.C.U. hospital beds are filling up fast. It's gotten so bad that two of Trump's staunchest GOP governor buddies have now gone beyond just "pausing" the reopening schedule and are now moving backwards:


A pair of GOP governors on Friday moved to impose new mitigation measures in their states amid record numbers of new coronavirus infections, with both Texas Gov. Greg Abbott and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis ordering bars closed and Texas placing new restrictions on other businesses the governor said were linked to the virus's resurgence.

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That both governors -- who are close allies of President Donald Trump and were criticized for resisting calls to lock down their states in the pandemic's early days -- have not only pressed pause on reopening but reimposed some restrictions, speaks to the severity of the outbreaks in two of the most populous states in the country.

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The announcement came 24 hours after Abbott first ordered a pause on the state's reopening process, which began in May. The Texas governor on Thursday also halted elective surgeries in a handful of counties and backed down from an earlier directive that banned cities and counties from mandating residents wear face masks in public.

DeSantis, meanwhile, had indicated that he had no plans to move Florida into its next phase of reopening, while local hot spots weighed their own shutdowns and mask requirements. But the state added nearly 9,000 new cases Thursday, shattering its previous one-day record set only days earlier.

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With their orders Friday, Abbott and DeSantis joined nearly a dozen other states that over the last week or so have begun to scale back reopening due to the new surge. On Thursday Gov. Doug Ducey of Arizona, which is among those seeing the highest increase in new infections, announced that the state's reopening process would also be halted.

California may soon follow suit, with Gov. Gavin Newsom warning that the state is "prepared" to issue another stay-at-home order if necessary, though adding that "We don't intend to do that. We don't want to do that."

. . .

Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson on Thursday followed his neighbor Abbott, announcing that he would not be lifting any further coronavirus-related restrictions the same day his state posted one of its largest single-day increases in new cases. Texas' other neighbor to the east, Louisiana, had already announced a four-week delay before moving into its next phase of reopening.

The governors of Utah, Michigan, Kansas, Idaho, Nevada, North Carolina and Delaware have also taken similar steps to freeze the current phase of reopening.

But freezing or pausing the reopening is really far too little. Think about it -- it's like a corollary to the Peter Principle (which states that employees in a big company will rise to their own level of incompetence). If reopening to (say) Phase 3 causes enormous spikes in the caseload, then "pausing" at Phase 3 merely locks in what's causing the spike. Only moving back to an earlier phase will even begin to fix the problem in any meaningful way, which is why Texas and Florida have now moved to do so.

Call it the start of "the great reclosing," after the "let's reopen way too early" experiment failed. And the entire thing was nothing short of reckless politics to please Donald Trump. In Arizona and Texas, the Republican legislature actually banned mayors from instituting stricter guidelines than the state (like mandating everyone wear masks, for instance). Because no dang librul mayor was going to stand in the way of the great reopening of the economy, of course. These actions, in hindsight, appear downright criminal.

Arizona is facing more per capita cases than recorded by any country in Europe or even by hard-hit Brazil. "Maricopa County, which includes Phoenix, is recording as many as 2,000 cases a day, 'eclipsing the New York City boroughs even on their worst days,' warned a Wednesday brief by disease trackers at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, which observed, 'Arizona has lost control of the epidemic.'" . . .

"Physicians, public health experts, advocates and local officials say the crisis was predictable in Arizona, where local ordinances requiring masks were forbidden until Gov. Doug Ducey (R) reversed course last week. State leaders did not take the necessary precautions or model safe behavior... When forbearance was most required, as the state began to reopen despite continued community transmission, an abrupt and uniform approach -- without transparent benchmarks or latitude for stricken areas to hold back -- led large parts of the public to believe the pandemic was over.

"This week, Arizona reported not just a record single-day increase in new cases -- with Tuesday's tally reaching 3,591 -- but also record use of inpatient beds and ventilators for suspected and confirmed cases. Public health experts warn that hospitals could be stretched so thin they may have to begin triaging patients by mid-July.... Still, resistance to health precautions remains pronounced. At an anti-mask rally Wednesday, a member of the Scottsdale City Council, Republican Guy Phillips, shouted the dying words of George Floyd -- 'I can't breathe' -- before ripping off his mask....

Ducey didn't just block local governments from imposing restrictions to protect their own residents. His administration has threatened to cut off state funding in retaliation for such regulations. "The biggest challenge has been Governor Ducey tying the hands of mayors and county health departments," said Regina Romero, the Democratic mayor of Tucson, who said she weighed an emergency proclamation mandating masks in mid-March but was advised against it by her city attorney. "There's a real threat with money involved."

The Trump White House is reluctantly beginning to admit to this failure, although not explicitly. Vice President Mike Pence and Larry Kudlow are still out there trying to get everyone to see the massive failure through some awfully rosy-tinted glasses, even as the numbers continue to worsen. But today, for the first time in weeks, the administration's coronavirus task force held a press briefing. Notably, Donald Trump did not appear. The last time they held a briefing America only (!) had one million cases and 50,000 deaths. Both numbers have more than doubled since.

The American people are smarter than Mike Pence, and see things quite differently:

A majority of Americans, 56 percent, believe the country is moving too quickly to reopen, while only 15 percent say it's moving too slowly, according to a new ABC-Ipsos poll. Seventy-six percent of Americans say they're worried about catching the virus, seven percent more than just two weeks ago.

President Trump, perhaps after being informed that the optics weren't exactly great, just cancelled a weekend golf trip to New Jersey. This, after another whole week of bad optics for Trump, which started with Trump's Tulsa campaign rally flopping on an epic scale (the fire marshal reported that fewer than one-third of the seats in the arena were filled). This sent Trump into yet another tantrum, and his "walk of shame" from Marine Corps One was downright priceless.

Donald Trump's re-election campaign strategy seems now to consist of re-enacting the core scene from Fight Club. No problem is so small that Trump can't haul off and punch himself in the face over it, at this point. Everything he does seems to make him less appealing to the voters, almost as if by design.

Don't believe this? Well, while Republicans were all gleefully sneering at Joe Biden because he misspoke and said "120 million" Americans had died in the pandemic, here is how Trump answered a softball question from the softest of interviewers, Fox News host Sean Hannity, at a townhall meeting this week. When asked what his top priorities for his second term would be, Trump responded with the following word salad:

Well one of the things that will be really great -- you know, the word experience is still good. I always say talent is more important than experience. I've always said that. But the word experience is a very important word. It's a very important meaning. I never did this before, I never slept over in Washington. I was in Washington I think 17 times, all of a sudden I'm president of the United States, you know the story, I'm riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our First Lady and I say, "This is great." But I didn't know very many people in Washington, it wasn't my thing. I was from Manhattan, from New York. Now I know everybody. And I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes, like you know, an idiot like Bolton, all he wanted to do is drop bombs on everybody. You don't have to drop bombs on everybody. You don't have to kill people.

So... um... Trump's second term will be all about... not dropping bombs on people? Not killing people? Actually, that last one would be an improvement over the great reopening experiment that just failed, when you think about it. Even so, that's an astoundingly irrelevant rant instead of even mentioning one single item that Trump would like to see accomplished in a second term. In other words, Trump hauls off and punches himself in the face, once again.

On the coronavirus pandemic, Trump is trying to convince everyone that it's all in the past and "the plague" (as he likes to call it) is over and done with. Just hide your heads in the sand, people, and everything will work out fine! The Trump administration announced this week that they're going to shut down the drive-through testing sites they've been running in Texas, right when the caseload in Texas is going through the roof. Nothin' to see here, folks, move along!

Trump whacked himself again today by filing a court brief arguing for the complete destruction of the Affordable Care Act. Because right in the middle of a pandemic is obviously the perfect time to take millions of families' health insurance away! What could possibly go wrong with that? Trump would replace Obamacare with... well, nobody knows, because he still won't say. Republicans in Congress have had over a decade to come with a plan -- any plan -- to replace Obamacare, and they've still got diddly-squat to show for it. Biden helpfully pointed out that if Obamacare is destroyed, then insurance companies would then be free to bar people with pre-existing conditions from getting insurance -- and that having COVID-19 would indeed be one of those pre-existing conditions:

Those survivors, having struggled and won the fight of their lives, would have their peace of mind stolen away at the moment they need it most. They would live their lives caught in a vise between Donald Trump's twin legacies: his failure to protect the American people from the coronavirus, and his heartless crusade to take health-care protections away from American families.

Trump's take on it resembles all those things Republicans are now saying about Biden ("He can't string two sentences together"): "What we want to do is terminate it and give health care. We'll have great health care, including pre-existing conditions." That's Trump's plan, in its entirety. And Republicans in Congress certainly don't have anything better (although they at least can form proper English sentences when explaining that they've got nothing at all to offer).

Need more proof? Here's Trump showing that empathy he's so famous for, right after stating that he had urged his people to "slow down" all the testing: "They test and they test. We had tests that people don't know what's going on. We got tests. We got another one over here, the young man's 10 years old. He's got the sniffles. He'll recover in about 15 minutes. That's the case." Boy, that'll get a whole bunch of suburban moms to vote for you, right? Not caring in the slightest about a 10-year-old catching coronavirus is just another instance of Trump hauling off and smacking his own face in front of the voters.

Trump also this week proved that -- six months in and counting -- he still doesn't even understand why it's called "COVID-19." No, really. He's been briefed probably hundreds of times, and he couldn't even retain this one fact from any of the briefings. As usual, he tried to put himself at one remove from this ignorance, but it's pretty obvious exactly who is clueless here: "COVID-19, COVID, I said what's the 19? COVID-19, some people can't explain the 19."

Meanwhile, the European Union is considering enacting a ban on people travelling from the United States, since we obviously are dangerously incompetent when it comes to battling a pandemic. Experts in America seem to agree:

But Italy announced just 264 new COVID-19 cases on Saturday -- the same day that the United States reported nearly 32,000. The European nation opened its restaurants and stores a month ago, albeit under new, national safety measures, even as U.S. states wrestled with inconsistent, hasty reopening efforts that have been blamed for new virus spikes. And Italy's outbreak has dramatically ebbed from its mid-March peak, while America's new per capita cases remain on par with Italy's worst day -- and show signs of rising further, with record hospitalizations in states like Arizona, Florida and Texas last week.

"I think there are going to be states in our country that can replicate Italy," said Ashish Jha, head of Harvard's Global Health Institute, noting that New York has made its own dramatic strides in containing the virus.

"But I would rather spend this summer in Rome with my family than in Phoenix."

That's if they let you in, of course.

Trump's biggest skill, of course, is distraction. He's always been able to get everyone talking about some hot-button issue to the exclusion of all else, but this doesn't seem to be working very well for him right now. He tried to start a big fight by calling the virus the "Kung Flu," and just today he signed an executive order designed to show he's sticking up for Confederate statues, but neither one seems likely to get much traction while the pandemic comes roaring back. The American public is finally beginning to see through the schtick, one would like to hope.

Paul Waldman of the Washington Post was the most eloquent this week in expressing outrage at Trump:

[I]n a propaganda effort that can only be described as obscene, the Trump administration is trying to convince us not only that the pandemic is all but behind us, but also that its spectacularly incompetent response has been a great triumph.

This will without a doubt go down as one of the worst presidential failures in American history. And we can see now that it had three distinct (if overlapping) phases.

The first was the denial phase, in which President Trump dismissed the danger from the virus and did almost nothing to prepare for its arrival. The second was the mismanagement phase, in which his administration utterly failed to control the virus as it swept across the country.

The third was the polarization phase, in which, for his own vulgar political reasons, Trump attacked Democratic governors trying to contain the virus, discouraged social distancing and mask-wearing, and quite intentionally created an atmosphere in which loud refusal to take the measures that we know reduce the spread of infection is how you prove you're a loyal Republican.

. . .

This pandemic is an era-defining catastrophe, and it didn't have to be this way. It's almost impossible to imagine a president more ill-prepared, by virtue of experience and temperament and judgment, to handle it, and all our worst fears have come true. Don't let him or any of his lackeys tell you otherwise.

The more this goes on, the better Biden does in the polls, it is worth pointing out. A new poll put Biden up by the following margins in six battleground states: Arizona (up 7 points), Florida (up 6), Michigan (up 11), North Carolina (up 9), Pennsylvania (up 10), Wisconsin (up 11). The same poll put Biden up a whopping 14 points over Trump nationwide, 50 percent to 36 percent.

Things have gotten so bad even Carly Fiorina is now saying she'll vote for Biden:

As citizens, our vote is more than a check on a box. You know, it's a statement about where we want to go, and I think what we need now actually is real leadership that can unify the country. I am encouraged that Joe Biden is a person of humility and empathy and character. I think he's demonstrated that through his life. And I think we need humility and empathy everywhere in public life right now. And I think character counts.

This may be the first time ever that we find we agree wholeheartedly with Carly Fiorina. But what can you really expect when Trump's out there giving himself black eyes on a daily basis?

 

Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week

Devin Nunes, Republican snowflake extraordinaire, lost a court case against the spoof "Devin Nunes' Cow" Twitter account this week, but we have no idea if the imaginary cow is a Democrat or not, so we can't technically give it an award. Heh.

We increasingly find that a Republican group -- the Lincoln Project, which includes Kellyanne Conway's husband -- is deserving of praise, for their lighting-fast ad team that slams Trump immediately after he punches himself in the face. They had two ads out this week in this vein, "Shrinking" (which makes merry fun of Trump's tiny Tulsa crowd size, and includes the line: "You've probably heard this before, but it was smaller than we expected"), and "Flag of Treason" (which more seriously took on Trump's embrace of the Confederate flag and all its supporters). You know, if we were a bazillionaire Democrat we'd certainly consider throwing $100 million or so at this group so they can run these ads nationwide on a regular basis. [Paging Mike Bloomberg... paging Mike Bloomberg....]

Several progressive candidates seem to have won their primaries this week, but we're going to have to wait to hand out awards to them because the results won't be final for a while yet. This should be a note of caution to everyone, by the way, since with all the mail-in ballots that will have to be processed, there's a very good chance that we aren't going to know the outcome of the presidential race on Election Day this year. Be warned, everyone.

But this week we'd like to give the Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week award to House Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton, who represents (but cannot cast a vote for) Washington, D.C. Today, the House made history by passing a D.C. statehood bill -- the first such legislation to ever pass either house of Congress. D.C. statehood has long been a festering issue (they even use license plates with "No taxation without representation" prominently displayed on them), but has never had the support needed. After watching Trump supercede the city government during the recent protests, though, Democrats got on board in a big way.

Washington has 700,000 citizens living in it who have no vote in Congress at all, because they are part of no state. The smallest state (population-wise) is Wyoming, with around 500,000 people, so D.C.'s got more than enough people to qualify for statehood. The vote was a party-line one, with zero Republicans voting against it and all but one Democrat voting for it. Republicans struggled to explain their opposition, as Speaker Nancy Pelosi pointed out:

But Democrats bristled at the GOP's rationale for opposition. "That shouldn't be how we have enfranchisement in our country -- what's the nature of our vote?" Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told reporters. "They talk about the 'toos' -- too Black, too Democrat, whatever."

"The fact is people in the District of Columbia pay taxes, fight our wars, risk their lives for our democracy and yet, in this state they have no say, they have no vote in the House or Senate about whether we go to war and how those taxes are exacted," Pelosi continued.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has vowed he won't take up the bill in the GOP-controlled Senate, even going so far as to compare D.C. statehood to "full-bore socialism."

Other Republicans have disparaged the character of Americans living in the nation's capital.

Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) took to the Senate floor on Thursday to argue that Wyoming -- despite its smaller population of 500,000 people -- deserved its voting rights because it is a "working class state" rather than a haven for lobbyists and the "bureaucracy" of federal workers.

This is just laughable, and Pete Buttigieg led the laughter, tweeting in response to Cotton's idiocy: "Huh? Since when do we assign democratic rights based on profession? And what makes a waiter, teacher, or construction worker who lives in DC less deserving than a miner, logger, or construction worker in Wyoming? Perhaps @TomCottonAR would like to define 'well-rounded'...."

Obviously, D.C. is not going to become the 51st state until Democrats retake control of the Senate, but that might not be that far off. For pushing this issue tirelessly (the same bill has been filed "for decades"), Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton was easily our Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week this week. D.C. statehood just got one very big step closer to becoming reality, and she deserves the lion's share of the credit for making it happen now.

[Congratulate House Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton on her official contact page, to let her know you appreciate her efforts.]

 

Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week

Our Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week is the flip side of our MIDOTW this week. Buried in the article on the D.C. statehood vote was the following:

Nearly every Democrat who voted against the 1993 bill voted in favor on Friday: [Steny] Hoyer, Reps. Marcy Kaptur of Ohio, David Price of North Carolina and Jim Cooper of Tennessee. Only Rep. Collin Peterson of Minnesota remained opposed.

What the...? What possible reason could Peterson have had?

For being the lone Democrat to vote against this historic measure, Collin Peterson is easily our Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week. 'Nuff said.

[Contact Representative Collin Peterson on his House contact page, to let him know what you think of his actions.]

 

Friday Talking Points

Volume 580 (6/26/20)

At times, we are taken to task by our readers for writing long-winded paragraphs rather than actual "talking point" soundbites. In our defense, we feel that sometimes the final zinger in these paragraphs needs a buildup and some context to work most effectively.

But we do largely concede the point. Shorter is better when coming up with political slogans. So this week we're going to keep things brutally short by only offering up bumpersticker slogans for the 2020 campaign. Bumpersticker slogans have to be short, to be readable by other drivers, of course.

So here are our seven favorite short-but-sweet slogans for the 2020 campaign. We have to admit that the first two we first heard at a Netroots Nation conference and the final one actually comes from Joe Biden's campaign (and is even better than what we proposed long before Biden emerged as the nominee). We mention this up front because we're going to use the formatting we usually use to indicate someone else's words this week to more-prominently display these short slogans (and make them look more like an actual bumpersticker).

We also would heartily encourage any other suggestions for Biden or anti-Trump bumperstickers. This is our current list, but they could certainly be improved upon, so please don't hesitate to suggest your own in the comments!

 

1
   Rhyme No. 1

Short, sweet, to the point. And it rhymes! What more could a bumpersticker slogan want?

DUMP TRUMP!

 

2
   Rhyme No. 2

Let's not forget about those down-ballot races, either. Fortunately, we've got another snappy rhyme for this:

DITCH MITCH!

 

3
   Contrast No. 1

The next two lay out a real contrast, and a real choice. There are plenty of others we could have used in this vein, but these two seemed the best for the current moment.

CALM NOT CHAOS
BIDEN 2020

 

4
   Contrast No. 2

An especially pertinent case to make, given the circumstances.

SCIENCE NOT LIES
BIDEN 2020

 

5
   The heart of the matter

Hit Trump where he's weakest. After all, he's out there hitting himself in the face on this particular issue, so why not join in?

COMPETENCY MATTERS
BIDEN 2020

 

6
   Just because we couldn't resist...

This one comes with an extra order of snark, because he so richly deserves it.

LOCK HIM UP!
TRUMP FOR JAIL 2020

 

7
   Biden's winning slogan (to date)

Finally, we have the one from Team Biden. As mentioned, almost a year ago we wrote a column suggesting that the ultimate slogan to use to take on Trump would be: "Do we really want another four years of this?!?" At the time, we pointed out that although generic, it would doubtlessly come in handy no matter what antics Trump was up to at the time. The overwhelming complaint most voters have with Donald Trump is that he is just so exhausting to keep track of. Not a week goes by without multiple crises and explosions and eruptions from the Oval Office. There's always something to be outraged about, because the hits just never stop coming with Trump.

But Team Biden has gone a giant step further, by boiling this entire sentiment down to just one word. So we tip our wordsmithing hat to them, because this is far better than our 9-word effort. What's the biggest motivating factor for voters in 2020?

ENOUGH!

-- Chris Weigant

 

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313 Comments on “Friday Talking Points -- The Reclosing Begins”

  1. [1] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    OMG!!!

    First things first, Chris!

    My dear Chris and editor, you MUST help me with the ole pubic/public dilemma in comment number 108 from previous column and then delete 109 and this one before anyone sees it. :) No, seriously! Heh.

    And, while you are it, get a frakking time-sensitive edit function.

    Because, the preview thingy doesn't work for me, apparently. Ahem.

  2. [2] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Who says we don't need slogans!? They are all phenomenal and, I predict, will be extremely effective … on a number of levels!

  3. [3] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I may just end all future comments - here and everywhere - with 'ENOUGH' Biden 2020.

    Yes, I'm sure I will!

  4. [4] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    I'm gonna end all future comments with The End is near.

  5. [5] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Heh.

  6. [6] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:
  7. [7] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    Today, mask-wearing Moscow Mitch asked people to wear masks just like sheeple. He must be scared of that Booker terrist.

    The End is near.

  8. [8] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    So, that orange loser's pal over in Russia is paying the Taliban bounties to kill US military personnel (thanks Trump). I wonder if Putin is paying bounties to these boogaloo soldier-cosplay criminals to attack BLM like he does in Afghanistan. Bunkerboy will do nothing about either one because collusion.

    The End is near.

  9. [9] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I hate to break it to you, JFC but, Pandemic I is still in the early stages of wave number one, with no end in sight.

  10. [10] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    I have to admit that I like the way that anarchist vandals are altering Stop signs to say Stop Trump.

    The End is near.

  11. [11] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Stop Trump. It's not just a bumper sticker.

  12. [12] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    LizM [9],

    I agree, but I'm referring to The End.

  13. [13] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Oh, THE End. Well, It's Over isn't really about that kind of end. Ahem.

  14. [14] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    So, THIS is what you're referring to, then …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkPhGRQzboE

  15. [15] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Or, this!

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+end+doors&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dthe%2bend%2bdoors%26form%3dEDGEAR%26qs%3dPF%26cvid%3d26303e617edc4795bca81dc0e09d56c1%26cc%3dUS%26setlang%3den-US%26elv%3dAQj93OAhDTi*HzTv1paQdnhtG383GFMVcxt9jhBpPxfOy0l4h8JZhvVHC%2521dsLNUVZO3jl9mqHy7*fBwkWQsgFx7KLRpBx70M4li6xBAcTAIp%26plvar%3d0&view=detail&mid=CC4C624B01433E875B64CC4C624B01433E875B64&rvsmid=90E1ACCB7B361876FDB790E1ACCB7B361876FDB7&FORM=VDRVRV

  16. [16] 
    John From Censornati wrote:
  17. [17] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Well, that wasn't very fun … at all! :(

  18. [18] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Well, Chris, pal o' mine, it's too late. So, just forget about it.

  19. [19] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    Who could possibly have less charisma than Mike Pence? When he flees the stage in fear of female reporters, it's just not in the same league as his Dear Leader. I suspect that he did not impress the obese orange one.

    The End is near.

  20. [20] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    In Union there is Strength.

    126,924 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

  21. [21] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Chris, while I don't want to dismiss the residents of D.C., I must strongly disagree with your MIDDOW award. And it seems especially tone-deaf in the current environment.
    While neither bill will pass the Republican-controlled Senate, the 'George Floyd' police reform bill is a monumental accomplishment!
    a) It would affected EVERY person in the United States and
    b) It is an powerful 'statement of principle' and a terrific point of contrast between Republicans and Democrats in this historic moment.
    Surely you could have honored the bill's individual cosponsors or 'Democrats in the House' for this milestone.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53188189

  22. [22] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Chris, this week's talking points are again disappointing. Who are they supposed to engage? You have rightly acknowledged the sharp messaging of the Lincoln Project, while your talking points are simplistic and puerile.

    Also, perhaps I have misunderstood the purpose of the FTP columns. I thought these were ideas that ALL (or at least many) Democratic candidates and elected officials can use to effectively promote Democratic policy and contrast with their opponent. Your talking points this week are only about Trump vs Biden.
    IMO the Democrat in Kentucky MUST BE campaigning against Mitch McConnell, in Arizona against McSally, and in Florida against Gaetz. So shouldn't your talking points be instead about the Republican opponent who has and will continue to ENABLE Trump?
    * S/he won't lift a finger to stop the rampant spread of COVID-19.
    * S/he won't approve more assistance for Americans who are without jobs and have lost their insurance.
    *S/he won't denounce Trump when he uses troops against peaceful protestors.
    *S/he won't approve legislation - many of which have already been approved by the Democrats in the House.
    You can be certain that the Republicans will be hugging Trump close, still hoping to be saved by his 'base voters'. So every Democratic opponent MUST exploit that and hammer the message that Republicans 'stand with Trump'.

  23. [23] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Hooray! Italy gets a mention in FTP!

  24. [24] 
    Michale wrote:

    fpc

    My Voice
    My stance is that you are entitled to entertain yourself with whatever inanities you concoct. It seems rather a sad occupation, but your choice is your choice.

    No one else has to play in your playpen, though. Today, you'll just have to be alone with your twaddle.

    Yunno, for someone who claims I am going to have to remain here all alone, you sure are keeping the comments coming...

    How can we miss you if you don't ever leave??

    I know, I know.. You are drawn to me like the sheeps to slaughter... You simply MUST have yer spankings or your life isn't complete.. I have heard about people like you.. Never thought I would actually meet one though...

    Didn't you say I was going to "slink off"?? Apparently you were wrong... AGAIN... :D

    Cause, as usual it's you who has slunk off, not I...

    You really need to come up with some relevant facts here...

  25. [25] 
    Michale wrote:

    FPC

    MC

    I have a request.. That you only makes comments when you are sober cuz that last comment was just too muc booze and not enough valid words..

    ONLY POST SOBER FROM NOW ON.....

  26. [26] 
    Michale wrote:

    CW

    "CALM, Not Choas?

    THAT is how you see the Democrart/AntiFa/BLACKMATTER Party

    Providing CALM not Choas???

    Let's ask Seattle Neighbors if The Democrat/Antifa/Blacklives Party is providing Calm, not CHAOS..

    NO Where on the place is the Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLiuvesMatter is causing calm And not chaos. On the planet.

    It's that simple

  27. [27] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Chris for MDDOW, I am surprised that you ignored the situation in your own back yard. Gov Newsom in the first weeks of the pandemic showed effective leadership, implementing a (milquetoast) 'lockdown'. The results were
    a) a much higher volume of testing than other states with Democratic governors, including NY; and
    b) a starkly-lower number of positive cases.
    Why is Newsom now acting like he's in league with the Governors of Arizona, Texas and Florida?!?!?
    'As numbers worsened, Newsom this week struck a new tone by appealing to both individual responsibility and a sense of togetherness, all while imploring Californians to “do the right thing” — wear a mask, wash their hands and keep their distance.
    ...
    Newsom has emphasized that counties control their reopening plans and shifted power to local officials, which more closely mirrors the federalism approach taken by President Donald Trump as well as the local control efforts of red-state governors.'
    https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/06/26/newsom-charges-ahead-as-california-virus-cases-reach-new-record-1294706

  28. [28] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Chris, this was reported probably too late for inclusion in this week's FTP column. But THIS is an effective talking point!
    'Gov. Inslee on Friday slammed President Trump for caring more about dead Confederates than living Americans.'
    https://mynorthwest.com/1982160/inslee-trump-dead-confederates-living-americans/

  29. [29] 
    Michale wrote:

    It looks like EVERYONE got hammered before they started making comments..

    It's SAD state of affairs when JFC actually comes out sanding the most normal of the bunch....

  30. [30] 
    Michale wrote:

    126,924 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

    And Blathy is gleefuly announcing.. He's waiting patiently for that 500,000 number when he is going to celebrate with a new car for hisself...

    Nothing Says HAPPY DEAD AMERICANS like a new car, eh blathy?? :eyeroll:

  31. [31] 
    Michale wrote:

    ENOUGH!

    That's a great slogan for The GOP..

    ENOUGH Democrat/AntiFaBLACKLVESMATER Party...

    Enough lawlessness in our streets and neighborhoods...

    Enough Ambushing & Killing cops

    Enough Abolishing Cops

    Enough Destroying American culture & History

    I Agree with CW... ENOUGH From The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party...

    ENOUGH...

    Gtreat Slogaan CW.....

  32. [32] 
    Michale wrote:

    Obviously, D.C. is not going to become the 51st state until Democrats retake control of the Senate, but that might not be that far off. For pushing this issue tirelessly (the same bill has been filed "for decades"), Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton was easily our Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week this week. D.C. statehood just got one very big step closer to becoming reality, and she deserves the lion's share of the credit for making it happen now.

    Really???

    Eleanor Holmes Norton.... Isn't she the same moron who wants to remove the Statue Of Abraham Lincoln..

    THAT's the moron you want to give the MIDOTW award to?? Some douche bag who wants to remove from public one of our greatest leaders of all time...

    A Statue that was paid for by freed slaves' own money, this stoopid wants to remove and see it destroyed..

    AND THIS is the woman you want to honor....

    Well, at least the pattern is clear.. Award everyone who wants to destroy American's history and culture..

    Remind me again how ya'all expect to win in Nov???

    Because it surely won't be by votes from the American people....

    :eyeroll:

  33. [33] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Hmm … guess I dodged a bullet, or something … alrighty, then … ??

  34. [34] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Not impressed with "Enough!".

    While it is supposed to mean people have had enough of Trump, all it does is remind me that what the Dems are offering in Biden is NOT enough. Not even close enough.

    I wonder if anyone here will celebrate people putting NOT in front of Enough- Biden 2020 like those putting Trump after stop on stop signs.

  35. [35] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    A more accurate slogan would be "Ridin' Biden" to go along with a picture of Biden with the banker character from Monopoly representing the big money interests riding Biden like a horse.

  36. [36] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Talk is cheap. Especially when the talking is not following thinking or only thinking about how to make your "side" of the deception look better than the other "side" of the deception.

    Perhaps it's time to replace Talking Points with THINKING POINTS.

    It's certainly at least worth thinking about. :D

  37. [37] 
    Michale wrote:

    A more accurate slogan would be "Ridin' Biden" to go along with a picture of Biden with the banker character from Monopoly representing the big money interests riding Biden like a horse.

    While that does paint a cringe-worthy picture... You can't see but I am cringing.. Vick can probably see it....

    The word ENOUGH is better because it's let's the reader of the word conjur his or her own imagery..

    scenes like ...

    http://sjfm.us/pics/fallujah.jpg

    And the GOP will be voted to the tops by the masses of Americans who don't want to live like The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter like them to live...

  38. [38] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    It looks like EVERYONE got hammered before they started making comments..

    Yeah, that must be it ...

  39. [39] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    italyrusty,

    Chris, this week's talking points are again disappointing. Who are they supposed to engage?

    I think you are approaching the FTPs all wrong.

    Come on!

  40. [40] 
    Michale wrote:

    Rusty

    Chris, this week's talking points are again disappointing. Who are they supposed to engage?

    Anyone that is still drinking the Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter koolaid....

  41. [41] 
    Michale wrote:

    It looks like EVERYONE got hammered before they started making comments..

    Yeah, that must be it ...

    Stranger things have happened...

    :D

  42. [42] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    "I think you are approaching the FTPs all wrong."

    Actually, the FTPs approach itself is what is all wrong. (see comment 36)

  43. [43] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, isn't this speeshal...

    We have all weekend together... What SHALL we talk about...

    Politics is become so predictable and boring..

    I'll sure there'll be another police shooting where cops will have to take down some scumbag who so richly deserves it.. And, of course Democrar/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter will respond and take out 2 or 3 cops in retaliation...

    But none of that sounds like any fun....

    I have to work with our local SO today on some surveillance work that needs my personal expertise.. But that is gonna be boring until the takedown....

    So, as surprising as it is to hear, I am speechless...

    I guess we'll just let the days events take us where we need to be... :D

  44. [44] 
    Michale wrote:

    Actually, the FTPs approach itself is what is all wrong. (see comment 36)>I>

    You mean comment #44....

  45. [45] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Well, whatever it is, I laughed myself to sleep last night. Hehehehehehehe

  46. [46] 
    Michale wrote:

    GRRRGR

    Reposted for Clarity...

    Actually, the FTPs approach itself is what is all wrong. (see comment 36)

    You mean comment #44

    :D

  47. [47] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Felt like I ran a marathon. Not that I've ever run a marathon ...

  48. [48] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, whatever it is, I laughed myself to sleep last night. Hehehehehehehe

    I'll have what she's having... :D

  49. [49] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Make mine a double.

  50. [50] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    I wish that all diseases would conform to this no-test-no-case deal like the Trump Virus. I wonder if Orange Oracle was preaching that same sermon to We The Uninformed People back during the Ebola hoax. If only we'd paid attention to Fat Don's genius word salads, maybe this crisis could have been avoided. I don't do Twitter, so I can't be sure, but he's a troll, so there's always a tweet.

  51. [51] 
    John M from Ct. wrote:

    At the risk of being called a pedant, I'm going to object to this Talking Point:

    COMPETENCY MATTERS

    It should be

    COMPETENCE MATTERS

    That is the actual word. Competency is one of those mangled-English quasi-words that bureaucrats invent to sound smarter or something. It's not as bad as saying 'to utilize' instead of 'to use', but it's in the same gang.

    For this list as a whole, it is refreshing to see complex talking points step aside in favor of bumper-sticker rhetoric, if only for a week or so. Thanks.

  52. [52] 
    Michale wrote:

    Competence Matters??

    Well, where was the "competence" when Odumbo rolled out the TrainWreckCare website??

    Competence was no where to be found and you, JM from CT didn't say BOO about it..

    Where was the competence from Odumbo when Odumbo so failed to raise the GDP about 2.0 that he threw in the towel and said "2.0 Is the New Normal"... WHere was your demand for "competence" then???

    We had 2 or 3 "Summer Of Revoceries" under Odumbo... Recoveries that did absolutely NOTHING for this country. Where was your call for "Competenece" then, JM???

    President Trump SHOWED MORE than Competence when he reduced unemployment to it's lowest levels in DECADES.. Why did you not applaud President for his "comptence" then???

    In just 2 years, President Trump brought black and hispanic unemployment to it's lowest levels.. EVER..

    Did you applaud President Trump's competence then???

    No you did not..

    Apparently, given all these FACTS, you wouldn't know competence if it came up and slapped you upside down your head....

    So, maybe "competence" isn't your word....

    That's what the FACTS seem to indicate...

  53. [53] 
    Michale wrote:

    JFC,

    I wish that all diseases would conform to this no-test-no-case deal like the Trump Virus. I wonder if Orange Oracle was preaching that same sermon to We The Uninformed People back during the Ebola hoax. If only we'd paid attention to Fat Don's genius word salads, maybe this crisis could have been avoided. I don't do Twitter, so I can't be sure, but he's a troll, so there's always a tweet.

    ANd yet, you have already conceded that President Trump is going to win re-election....

    Funny how that is, eh? :D

  54. [54] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    Trump only ever stops shooting himself in the foot long enough to reload the gun. What else is new?

    Naturally, I was right and Michale was wrong a few months back when I pointed out both Texas and Florida will be in play this year...I'm so looking forward to Michale's concession contrition on or around the 3rd of November. I may even learn to enjoy spam.

    Tuck Frump

    Biden 4 The Trump hidin'

    Biden belief > Trump trickery

    Trump 4 Pope

    Personally, I think Trump has run his course, America is now officially full of shit. (Figuratively)

    LL&P

  55. [55] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Hey, My voice, nice smackdown of Michale. His misuse of the English language is just one more thing he does to try to get people to engage with him on a juvenile, beneath this Comments section level. Hence the name calling ("Odumbo") and increasingly outrageous statements - just trying to get somebody, anybody, to pay attention! I mean, I guess I just don't see the appeal of trying to annoy rather than to persuade. So much braying. And what's with his obsession with making bets? Who cares how sure anyone is that Trump (or Biden) will win? November will be here soon enough.

  56. [56] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Oh, I almost forgot:

    The End is Near.

  57. [57] 
    MyVoice wrote:
  58. [58] 
    MyVoice wrote:

    FPC

    MtnCaddy 110

    Thank you. I couldn't agree more with your observations.

  59. [59] 
    MyVoice wrote:

    Ah, MtnCaddy, I hadn't yet seen that you had reposted when I wrote the above. Again, thank you.

  60. [60] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hence the name calling ("Odumbo") and increasingly outrageous statements - just trying to get somebody, anybody, to pay attention! I mean, I guess I just don't see the appeal of trying to annoy rather than to persuade.

    And how many times have you called President Trump names MC??

    Yer problem is you can dish it out but you whine and bitch and cry when yer forced to take it..

    I mean, let's face facts.. YOU were the one who claimed to have ideas about police reform but when pressed for actual facts, you wussy out and hide behind lame rhetoric...

    But facts still remain facts, even though you and My Voice can't accept those facts...

    So you piss and moan about a single commenter on a daily, oft time hourly basis...

    Well, I hope you both enjoy jerking yerselves off...

    Meanwhile, I'll do what I do best..

    Bring FACTS to the factless.. Bring wisdom the the moronic.. And above all else make Weigantia into the forum it NEEDS to be... Flush with facts and reality...

    Of of course there are the Democrat Hangers-On, the whiners and the belly-achers...

    Ya'all are a necessary evil who are tolerated.. :D

  61. [61] 
    Michale wrote:

    Now that My Voice has slinked off to pleasure hisself and MC is just wiping his hands off and cleaning up hisself, let's get back to FACTS...

  62. [62] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    lolo....

    "Meanwhile, I'll do what I do best..

    Bring FACTS to the factless.. Bring wisdom the the moronic.. And above all else make Weigantia into the forum it NEEDS to be... Flush with facts and reality..."

    Surely no one believes this pile of shit?

    If it even mildly resonates with you, seek help from your local mental health providers.

    LL&P

  63. [63] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [64]

    And it's undeniable that President Trump and the GOP represent law and order..

    It's just as undeniable that The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party represent lawlessness, looting, murder and destruction...

    What sane American who loves this country is going to vote with The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party???

    Answer: NONE....

    The facts are clear...

    Wait! You forgot to ALL CAPS "fact." It's well known that all caps mean that you should be taken extra specially seriously.

    And you forgot to mention that poll where 40% of blacks told (ALWAYS* Repug-leaning) Rasmussen that they support Trump. You know, the poll that's a year old.

    *You see, aren't all caps more persuasive - woot!

    Is this what you Trumpanzees are seeing on Faux News and OAN? You rarely attribute the author of the various diatribes you cut and paste, so I have no idea.

  64. [64] 
    Michale wrote:

    Just an interesting fact..

    My Voice and MC's comments??

    Have all been about me.. :D

    Funny how that is, eh? :D

  65. [65] 
    Michale wrote:

    Is this what you Trumpanzees are seeing on Faux News and OAN? You rarely attribute the author of the various diatribes you cut and paste, so I have no idea.

    Yes, exactly.. You have no idea..

    You think all the looting and rioting are just fine..

    You think that ALL Americans are going to love all the cop killings and all..

    Because you yourself do, you think EVERYONE thinks like you do...

    And yer wrong..

    You know, the poll that's a year old.

    And have Democrats gotten BETTER with black Americans in that year??

    No.. They have gotten WORSE.. The blocked the police reform that black Americans want..

    So, yer right.. That 40% of black Americans that are voting for President Trump..

    That's probably 50% by now..

    And YOU don't have a single solitary fact to refute it..

    You say you served in the Army??? And yet, you are applauding looting and rioting and cop killings..

    NO ONE who has honestly served would applaud those things...

    So, you must be lying about your service to this country..

  66. [66] 
    Michale wrote:

    All Livelihoods Matter

    The only way black livelihoods, or any American livelihoods, are going to be uplifted is when black and white workers find common ground and work together to reject the agenda of the global Left.

    https://amgreatness.com/2020/06/23/all-livelihoods-matter/

    There are no black Americans or white Americans or hispanic Americans.. There are all just AMERICANS.

    And ALL of the AMERICANS, the patriotic types?? They are all voting for President Trump..

    The criminals and the cop killers and the looters and the scumbags that support all of the afore???

    THEY are going to vote for Joe YouAin'tBlack Biden...

    And Biden is going to lose and lose bigtime..

    No wonder no one here wants to wager...

    No stones... :D

  67. [67] 
    Michale wrote:

    When examining the challenges facing the black community in America, the conservative response—if they have the courage to respond at all—is to attack the policies Democrats have implemented supposedly to help blacks.

    This is a valid response, which can be summarized as follows:

    Increased spending in public schools is futile because Democrats have taken away the ability to discipline disruptive students, and the teachers union has monopolized public education. For example, instead of being fired, thanks to these unions, bad teachers end up teaching in low income communities. Public education is a disaster in black communities.

    Welfare spending has taken away the necessity for households to have a male breadwinner, and hence, a male role model and authority figure. This has disproportionately impacted black families because a higher percentage of them collect welfare and other entitlements. Two-thirds of black children are growing up in single-parent households.

    There are other reasons conservatives may cite, centering around the theme of personal and community accountability. Why aren’t more black conservatives stepping up and demanding school choice, family values, and collective rejection of gang culture? And why isn’t the media elevating those black conservatives who do speak out, instead of pointing the cameras at the same old Sharptonesque hacks, year after year?

    These responses explain a lot, and deserve to be heard, but there’s another factor at work affecting black lives in America, and it’s also mostly the fault of Democrats.

    Democrats haven't done ANYTHING for black Americans in over 40 years...

    In TWO short year, President Trump took down black American unemployment to it's LOWEST POINT... ***EVER***

    Let me repeat that for the cheap seats...

    President Trump did in 2 short years, what The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party couldn't do in over **FORTY YEARS**!!!

    And you people *HONESTLY* believe that black Americans are going to vote for do-nothing Democrats!!???

    All the Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party has done is keep black Americans enslaved on the plantation...

    It's President Trump that gave black Americans dignity and respect..

    And, in return black Americans gave President Trump their vote... :D

    Everyone wins... Except Dumbocrats.. They deserve to lose...

  68. [68] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Democratic response to poor schools and unaffordable housing is to expand government. Hire more union teachers. Build more government housing. For 50 years, this has been their solution, and the only thing they have to show for it are the highest taxes and spending deficits in history. In recent years, building affordable housing has become more corrupt than ever, with Democrat-run cities spending over a half-million on average per unit of subsidized housing. At those prices, only a fraction of needed housing is built, and only crony developers benefit from the arrangement.

    The solutions, which even Republicans usually lack the courage to espouse, are to restore competition in public education, ideally via school vouchers—good for homeschooling, religious schools, private schools, charter schools, and public schools. Break the teachers’ union monopoly. For affordable housing, break the grip of extreme environmentalists who successfully have lobbied for laws in blue states and cities that effectively have cordoned off all development. Allow suburban expansion, spend public budgets on roads instead of pensions, and the market price of housing will come back down to earth.

    As usual, The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party fraks it all up..

  69. [69] 
    MyVoice wrote:

    [61] Michale

    Uh-oh. SOMEBODY needs a nap. Too many monsters under your bed last night? Maybe if you gave your brain some decent rest, you wouldn't need to project your own coping mechanisms on others.

    I don't know how to express the depth of my pity for you in terms you can understand that this is what you do best.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8B2oJ5UwAEkE-p.jpg

  70. [70] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, geee.. I wonder where MC and MyVoice slinked off to?? :D

    BBBBBWWAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

    They said to themselves.. 'Oh shit!! Michale's back!! We gotta make ourselves scarce!!'

    BBBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Run away, bitches... :D

  71. [71] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oh My Voice slinked back.. I guess he CAN'T help but hang on my every word... :D

    PWNED

    Too bad he has nothing with which to address the facts.. It's all about me personally...

    I live rent free in his head.. :D

  72. [72] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, you and MC had yer circle jerk... Did you wash your hands already??

    No?? That's gross..

    Anyways.. Here's a question for ya...

    Why is is that over 40% of black Americans have #WalkAway from the Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party and support President Trump???

    Why is that???

  73. [73] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Democrats' 'Bonfire of Inanities'
    In post-Obama America, ignorance -- and the mob -- reign supreme

    In this modern Bonfire of Inanities, ignorance reigns supreme. Which is one of the big problems with mob “justice,” a painful lesson we history students here in America learned a long time ago.

    Not that this current crop of uneducated, stupid, self-enthralled miscreants rioting in public streets and parks has the slightest grasp on five minutes of history. Or, wisdom for that matter.

    This is what post-Obama America looks like. Or, as President Trump calls it, “Joe Biden’s America.”

    History is dead. Intelligence is weakness. Wisdom is scorned. Justice is the punchline to a sick joke.

    Love him or hate him, Mr. Trump ran for president on a set of concrete promises.

    Strangle illegal immigration. Curtail endless wars overseas. Stop screwing America with unfair trade deals. Trim the voracious tentacles of the federal government.

    These are promises aimed at all Americans — regardless of race or gender or religion or whatever evil division politicians might stoke for their own benefit. Making good on these promises is for the benefit of everyone. Make. America. Great. Again. For everybody...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/25/the-democrats-bonfire-of-inanities/

    And President Trump has largely kept those promises and America and Americans thrived because of it..

    Now we're back with The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party raising their ugly heads and taking this country to the brink of an armed civil war complete with cop ambushes and killings and rioting and looting and armed Democrat setting up fiefdoms on American streets...

    And the morons amongst think THIS will win The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party in Nov..

    The utter stoopidity of it all is laughable...

  74. [74] 
    Michale wrote:

    Grrrrrrr

    Reposted for clarity...

    The Democrats' 'Bonfire of Inanities'
    In post-Obama America, ignorance -- and the mob -- reign supreme

    In this modern Bonfire of Inanities, ignorance reigns supreme. Which is one of the big problems with mob “justice,” a painful lesson we history students here in America learned a long time ago.

    Not that this current crop of uneducated, stupid, self-enthralled miscreants rioting in public streets and parks has the slightest grasp on five minutes of history. Or, wisdom for that matter.

    This is what post-Obama America looks like. Or, as President Trump calls it, “Joe Biden’s America.”

    History is dead. Intelligence is weakness. Wisdom is scorned. Justice is the punchline to a sick joke.

    Love him or hate him, Mr. Trump ran for president on a set of concrete promises.

    Strangle illegal immigration. Curtail endless wars overseas. Stop screwing America with unfair trade deals. Trim the voracious tentacles of the federal government.

    These are promises aimed at all Americans — regardless of race or gender or religion or whatever evil division politicians might stoke for their own benefit. Making good on these promises is for the benefit of everyone. Make. America. Great. Again. For everybody...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/25/the-democrats-bonfire-of-inanities/

    And President Trump has largely kept those promises and America and Americans thrived because of it..

    Now we're back with The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party raising their ugly heads and taking this country to the brink of an armed civil war complete with cop ambushes and killings and rioting and looting and armed Democrat setting up fiefdoms on American streets...

    And the morons amongst think THIS will win The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party in Nov..

    The utter stoopidity of it all is laughable...

  75. [75] 
    MyVoice wrote:

    [71] Michale

    Sorry for the incorrect link in my last post; this one is correct.

    DING, DING, DING; I've just rung the bell on the carnival High Striker. Did I call that rent-free comment or what? Where do you go from here, Champ?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8B2oJ5UwAEkE-p.jpg

  76. [76] 
    Michale wrote:

    President Barack Obama won on amorphous, intangible promises. “Hope.” And “change.” And calming the rising seas.

    But he was a rock star. He made people feel good. He bestowed virtue upon them, simply by giving them the opportunity to support him. Or, in the case of the media, brush his garment and slobber all over his sandals.

    Even as he secretly plotted during his final days in the White House to undermine the peaceful transfer of power — that most important American ideal.

    “These are unusual times,” Mr. Obama said in a secret Oval Office meeting after the free and fair election designed to peacefully transfer power to the next man.

    “Make sure you look at things — have the right people on it,” he told his top henchmen, including his vice president.

    “Is there anything I shouldn’t be telling the transition team?” Mr. Obama asked, conspiratorially, according to notes from that illicit meeting.

    Even back then Odumbo was a prick who was planning on hurting this country because of sour grapes...

    What an utter asshole...

  77. [77] 
    Michale wrote:

    Sorry for the incorrect link in my last post; this one is correct.

    Yea, I know yer sorry.. You don't have to tell me that.. EVERYONE here knows yer sorry..

    And don't worry.. I never expect anything like FACTS or reality from ya anyways...

    Yer heads so far up The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party's ass you haven't seen the light of day in years..

    Why do you hate this country so??

    It's obvious you never served this country in her armed forces... Too much hate for this country in you for that...

    But where does that hate come from???

    Why is it that I would not be surprised to see your face on a US POST OFFICE wall for terrorism or child molestation or something similar??

    What's yer story, MV? Why you hate this country so??

    Cops take away yer kids or something???

  78. [78] 
    Michale wrote:

    Welcome to post-Obama America.

    Emotion is now fact. Even worse, emotion has become a guaranteed right. Whatever one feels is correct and justified ,no matter how ignorant or detached from reality or history it may be. Furthermore, any misguided grievance one may have based on that troubled emotion empowers that person with the right to do anything he wants.

    Tear down a statue of Christopher Columbus or Andrew Jackson? Sure.

    Deface a statue to Robert E. Lee or Arthur Ashe on Monument Avenue in Richmond? Have at it!

    Even Abraham Lincoln and George Washington are not safe when the mob is judge, jury and executioner. And if you are a sworn officer of the peace, you better watch your back. Or better yet, just stay home.

    In this new world, the rights of others be damned. The laws of society vanish in an instant. Justice is a quaint little concept for losers.

    Not only are these spoiled little brats entirely bereft of any remotely mature knowledge of history, they haven’t the faintest understanding of politics. Who should rule? Where do rights come from? What is freedom?

    That’s because these are people who are fundamentally incapable of contributing to society. They are helpless takers. For helpless takers, if you don’t take, you don’t get.

    “If this country doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it,” says Black Lives Matter “president” Hawk Newsome.

    “All right? And I could be speaking figuratively. I could be speaking literally. It’s a matter of interpretation.”

    See, Mr. Newsome may not be very smart and he may be totally ignorant of history and may not belong in civilized society, but he sure is down with the whole concept of weaponizing personal grievances into lawless rioting.

    After all, what could possibly go wrong with raging mobs — with hooded faces — armed with torches and ropes fueled by racial anger and hate-filled fear in lusty search of their pound of flesh based on some twisted misunderstanding of history?

    Mr. Newsome? Mr. Newsome? Or, what about you, Mr. Obama? Any problem here?

    Well, Democrat politicians desperate to stay ahead of the mob — and cash in on it, of course — have plenty to say about it.

    So, the Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party's stated goal is to burn down the system if they don't get what they want...

    There is a word for that.. It's called terrorism..

    Welcome to today's Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party....

    What I don't get is why ya'all think this will get them votes in NOV...

    Can anyone explain that???

  79. [79] 
    Michale wrote:

    What Is Joe Biden Talking About?

    ‘If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black,” Joe Biden said Friday in an interview with Lenard Larry McKelvey, better known as “Charlamagne Tha God,” a co-host of the popular “Breakfast Club” radio show. Then all hell broke loose.

    Mr. Biden’s remark was offensive, demeaning and dumb. Yet insulting every African-American voter who has considered supporting someone other than the former vice president drew attention away from another disturbing problem: Mr. Biden often speaks as if English were his second language.

    For example, when Mr. McKelvey asked if he had an agenda for blacks who feel Democrats take them “for granted,” Mr. Biden said “Absolutely” and then launched a convoluted assault on basic sentence structure.

    Mr. Biden: “What would I say? Remember when I said Biden can’t win? The primaries? I kicked everybody’s ass. Excuse me. I won overwhelming. I told you when I got to South Carolina, I won every single county. I won a larger share of the black vote than anybody has, including Barack. I increased the vote in Virginia overwhelmingly by 70%. Look, what people don’t know about me is I come from a state has the eighth-largest black population in America—the eighth-largest. I get 96% of that vote for the last 40 years. They’re the folks, as they say out my way, brung me to the dance. That’s how I got elected every single time and everybody’s shocked. I get overwhelming support from the black leadership, young and old. Every poll shows me way ahead and it’s not just—I hear this, ‘Oh yeah, old blacks are with Biden, but young aren’t.’ Look at the polling data. Polling data, let’s say it’s off by half. Come on, man. Give me a little break here,” and so on.

    Mr. Biden didn’t even attempt to describe the agenda he’d offer black voters. And he didn’t win a bigger share of black South Carolina Democrats than Barack Obama did; exit polls say that then-Sen. Obama took 78% of South Carolina’s black voters in the 2008 primary, compared with Mr. Biden’s 61% a dozen years later. Plus, Delaware doesn’t have “the eighth-largest black population in America.” It has the 33rd-largest

    This is Joe Biden on a "good" day...

    Does ANYONE know what Joe Biden is talking about???

    Does even Joe Biden know what Joe Biden is talking about???

    THIS is the guy that ya'all think will be POTUS??

    BBWBWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

    No, seriously... This is what ya'all think??? :D

    Boy oh Boy are ya'all in for a shocker.. :D

  80. [80] 
    Michale wrote:

    Mob rule has a long, ugly throughout history. Contrary to what ignoramuses pulling down statues might say, America’s founding was not the result of mob rule. Exactly the opposite. It was a complete and total rejection of mob rule. It enshrined into law unprecedented protections for the political minority.

    The darkest moments in our history have been when people ignored those protections, brushed aside petty laws and gave in to the impulses of the mob.

    Thankfully, brave men have always been there, willing to dedicate their lives and sometimes sacrificing all to put down the lawless mob. Those men are remembered and revered.

    Statues are rightly built to honor them — statues that are only as safe as the next generation’s commitment to stand up and put down the mob.

    Unfortunately, for ya'all, The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party is NOTHING but mob rule..

    And again, I have to laugh and ya'all who think that it will prevail in the coming election... :D

  81. [81] 
    Michale wrote:

    Think the ‘Cancel’ Mobs Can’t Get Any Worse? Think Again

    America is in the midst of one of the great moral panics in our nation’s history. If we don’t stand up for our nation’s core values, the situation could get even worse – and soon. If you’ve spent any time on social media in the last three weeks, you’ve probably noticed the organized campaigns to get college and even high school students expelled or denied admission based on their political views. You’ve also seen gleeful mobs celebrating as Americans lose their jobs for running afoul of someone’s momentary political obsessions.

    In every sector of American society, people are having their careers destroyed to the pitiless baying of the “woke” masses. It’s happening in business. CrossFit CEO Greg Glassman spent 20 years building the fitness brand into a multi-billion dollar company, only to be thrown out of the empire he built for declining to go along with the “racism is a public health crisis” dogma..
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/27/think_the_cancel_mobs_cant_get_any_worse_think_again.html

    What IS it about The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party that demands total obedience and total destruction???

    Do ya'all *HONESTLY* believe that patriotic Americans are going to stand for this bullshit???

    Armed Dumbocrats want to annex neighborhoods by force of arms???

    And then watch them scatter when real military men and women show up..

    You people have really lost all touch with reality if ya'all think that The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party is going to prevail...

  82. [82] 
    Michale wrote:

    It’s happening in journalism. New York Times editor James Bennet, a liberal, was fired for publishing an op-ed by a sitting Republican senator advocating for a military response to nationwide rioting -- a position the majority of Americans agreed with. The same fate befell Philadelphia Inquirer editor Stan Wischowski, who was terminated for approving an article that condemned looting and arson.

    It’s happening in entertainment, in academia, and pretty much anywhere someone can be found who is not sufficiently supportive of the Black Lives Matter movement.

    It’s even happening to people who didn’t do anything at all. An L.A. Galaxy soccer player was forced to resign because his wife tweeted that rioters should be shot. A lawyer in San Francisco was fired because his wife was rude to a man she thought was spray-painting BLM propaganda on a building that wasn’t his (it was). On Thursday, this Stasi-esque trend reached another level when a company called Equity Prime Mortgage fired the stepmother of the officer charged in the controversial shooting of drunk driver Rashad Brooks after he fought with and fired a taser at police. The stepmother was apparently fired for no reason other than family loyalty.

    On Monday, the panic reached what one can only hope will be its peak when a San Diego Gas and Electric employee lost his job for “making a white supremacist hand gesture.” We’ve long since debunked the notion that the OK sign is somehow racist -- that was just a fiction perpetrated by internet trolls -- but in this case, this man lost his livelihood despite the fact he wasn’t even making an OK sign. He was apparently cracking his knuckles as he drove.

    This is how pathetic and mean-spirited The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party has gotten...

    They cost a man and his family a JOB because they mis-read a gesture..

    And you people DEFEND this??

    THAT is what is so pathetic about it..

    Ya'all DEFEND this cancel culture...

  83. [83] 
    Michale wrote:

    What America is going through right now is not merely another, more intense round of “cancel culture.” We’re now in the midst of a full-force, totalitarian remolding of our society, one that seeks to place the petty resentments of an outraged minority of leftist activists above everything else in American life. Because of their willingness to riot, loot, and assault anyone they perceive to be insufficiently sympathetic to their cause, leftists are able to bully ordinary people into submission. As a result, television shows such as “Cops” and “Live PD,” classic films such as “Gone With the Wind,” and iconic brands such as Aunt Jemima, Mrs. Buttersworth, and Uncle Ben’s rice are consigned to the “dustbin of history.”

    I used to speak frequently to nervous conservatives who were convinced that if we only allowed the left to tear down Confederate war memorials, they would be satisfied. How quickly events have disproved that wishful thinking. From Christopher Columbus, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and the western pioneers, activists are now coming after cartoon sports mascots and college fight songs. Everything -- from the core of our country’s history to the values and norms undergirding American culture -- must be uprooted to appease the mob.

    They are tearing down dozens of statues and facing no consequences whatsoever for vandalizing our public spaces -- including memorials to our nation’s greatest heroes. When private citizens try to do the job the government won’t and protect our culture, our history, and our public property from destruction, local officials step in and remove the statues on behalf of the vandals, lest they injure themselves while imitating Iraqis celebrating the fall of Saddam Hussein.

    These people are not seeking change at the margins. They are demanding a total cultural revolution, and cowardly public officials are giving it to them. If you look at this national outpouring of hatred and recrimination with horror verging on despair, I assure you that you are not alone. Tens of millions of Americans feel exactly the same way.

    President Trump is doing exactly what an American president should do in a crisis like this. He is working to maintain law and order and prevent cowed local officials from allowing political violence to flare again. He issued an executive order to add to his legacy of reform and address legitimate concerns about law enforcement in this country. He also issued a separate executive order targeting the systemic bias in Silicon Valley’s censorship offices, which has allowed our social media platforms to become echo chambers for left-wing extremism and “cancel culture.”

    Something has to give.. The center cannot hold..

    I am putting my money on President Trump sending in the military.. And every patriotic American will be behind him..

    Hell, I might have my commission re-activated just to get a piece of the action... :D

  84. [84] 
    MyVoice wrote:
  85. [85] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    Michale, you needn't repost for clarity. The majority of your blather goes unread.

    Twice nothing remains nothing.

    LL&P

  86. [86] 
    Michale wrote:

    The only thing that could make the situation worse at this moment would be handing the White House to a doddering and unprincipled establishment politician beholden to the “cancel culture” mob. Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden would immediately delegate de facto control over the vast justice, civil rights, and regulatory apparatus of the federal government to the loudest voices in his coalition: the woke activist class.

    At this moment, there is a veritable army of lawyers and bureaucrats who have spent the last three and a half years subsisting on resentment and salivating at the prospect of regaining power. Things are bad enough now, but conditions will become much worse if the “cancel culture” born on social media is augmented with the force of law and given the full attention of Biden appointees imbued with the sweeping powers of the federal bureaucracy.

    Dark forces have been unleashed in this country. Even now, we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg. If we don’t want to find out how much damage it can inflict on the ship of state, we must prevent those forces from taking control of the federal government.

    In other words, the WORST thing that could happen to this country is Joe McRapist Biden could win..

    But of course that simply won't happen..

  87. [87] 
    Michale wrote:

    As I mentioned, the City Of St Augustine had decided to relocate the CSA Memorial...

    Best picture I have of it.. :D

    http://sjfm.us/pics/menpunkin.jpg

    This CANCEL culture is such bullshit..

  88. [88] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    MyVoice look what living in Michale's brain hath wrought! First he made it all about him. Then he brought the increasingly strident Liberal baiting. All kinds of foolish assertions - and all just to get some attention!

    I've been reading this troll for a coupla years now and all I can say is, wow what powers you must have! Did you use "Jedi mind tricks" on Michale, strictly speaking? C'mon, dish Brother/Sister!

  89. [89] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    MyVoice look what living in Michale's brain hath wrought! First he made it all about him. Then he brought the increasingly strident Liberal baiting. All kinds of foolish assertions - and all just to get some attention!

    It's obvious that you *ARE* making it about me..

    As for my "foolish" assertions, they are facts??

    Instead of being a little pussy, if you don't agree with the facts, then find your own to refute them..

    You CAN'T because the facts stand...

    As far as getting attention? If that's the reason why, why are you dancing to my tune??? :D

    I've been reading this troll for a coupla years now and all I can say is, wow what powers you must have! Did you use "Jedi mind tricks" on Michale, strictly speaking? C'mon, dish Brother/Sister!

    Yea, you always have names for people you can't refute with facts...

    I have been here for 16+ years and have NEVER seen people so afraid of FACTS and reality as I do right now..

    Why are you so afraid to engage me on the FACTS???

    Because you KNOW you can't win..

    "You can't win... I have god on my side!!!"
    -Leland Gant, NEEDFUL THINGS

    So, since you can't win, you just whine and cry and play childish name-games...

    You said you had ideas for police reform.. I called you on it?? You whined and cried and tried to get away from your lack of facts...

    Instead of man'ing up and saying, "Yea, Michale... I am clueless about police reform.. I admit it.."

    That's what a real man would have done..

    But you can't do that, can you..

    It's real simple.. If I was anything CLOSE to remotely what you and MyVoice claim, you would find it easy to simply ignore me...

    The fact that you make EVERY COMMENT in this commentary about me, **PROVES** how much you two are pwned...

    Now, by all means.. Continue to claim how little I matter here.. The more you claim it the more obvious it is to EVERYONE how full of shit you are.. :D

  90. [90] 
    Michale wrote:

    Let me put it simply MC...

    If I don't really matter you sure are spending an AWFUL lot of time and energy trying to convince me, everyone else AND yourself that I don't matter.. :D

    Think about it.. :D

  91. [91] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    On the subject of black support for Trump, here's a quote this flaming Liberal, someone named Juan Williams wrote:

    But anyone who remembers Mr. Trump’s record of disrespect toward women, and black women in particular, isn’t going to fall for this act.

    He told four congresswomen of color, three of whom were born in the United States, that they should “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.” He called Representative Maxine Waters, a California Democrat, a “low-IQ person” and Omarosa Manigault Newman, a former aide, a “dog.” He said one black reporter was a “loser” and another asked “a lot of stupid questions.”

    Mr. Williams goes on to cite a January 2020 poll that found
    that:

    After three years of Mr. Trump as president, 65 percent of black people say it is a “bad time” to be black in America.

    That was before coronavirus slammed black communities and before George Floyd. I guess three years (plus, when you think about it) of slamming Obama is some kind of eighth-dimensional chess move.

    So you might say that Trump isn't going to get, say, 40% of the black vote in November. In this reality, that is.

  92. [92] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    If I don't really matter you sure are spending an AWFUL lot of time and energy trying to convince me, everyone else AND yourself that I don't matter.. :D

    It’s just you he is trying to convince that you do not matter... the rest of us came to that realization ages ago!

  93. [93] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    Lemme explain to you how Weigantia works best...

    I bring facts to the discussion.. You can bet that the facts are established and factual...

    YOUR job is to counter those facts with facts of your own..

    That's how a Weigantian disucssion takes place..

    Instead, what YOU do is simply refuse to accept the facts exist and therefore, relives you of any responsibility to come up with a reasonable and logical counter..

    That's the chickenshit's way out...

    Let me give you an example...

    Many MANY moons ago, CW had put out a commentary.. Might have been a FTP cuz it covered a few different points..

    At one point, he had ridiculed McCain (it was THAT long ago) for calling some Colonel, "General so and so"...

    At the time, thru my military sources, I had known that the said Colonel WOULD be, within the week, promoted to General and be given the command of Central Command..

    I politely let CW (and the group) know that McCain wasn't being senile, he was simply privy to info that wasn't generally known at the time..

    When a week had passed and said Colonel WAS promoted to General and given command of Central Command, CW acknowledged that I was factually accurate and acknowledged my military bona fides.

    THAT'S how Weigantia works.. Someone makes a claim that is not factually accurate, I point out they are wrong and more often than not, I am proven dead on ballz accurate..

    That Central Command example is but one example.. The 2016 election is another example..

    Now, sure.. You have people my yer new buddy, MyVoice and Vick who will play in the semantical weeds and try and claim this and that.. But that is simply nit-picking that proves they are clueless as to the bigger picture...

    So, to sum up... I have the facts on my side.. I ALWAYS have the facts on my side.. But I am realistic enough to realize that there are facts out there I am not privy to...

    If YOU have facts that show my facts in error, then YOUR job is to air those...

    But your problem is, you never do have any facts that counter mine.. You simply deny my facts exist...

    Example.. I have said time and time again that cops are getting ambushed and killed and it's the Democrat Party who wants to abolish cops..

    These are FACTS...

    You deny these facts exist, which makes you look like a moron because the facts are completely obvious to all..

    So, now that you know how Weigantian works, let's try and get with the program, OK???

  94. [94] 
    Michale wrote:

    On the subject of black support for Trump, here's a quote this flaming Liberal, someone named Juan Williams wrote:

    Yea.. I remember Juan Williams..

    I remember how you liberals attacked and demonized Juan Williams and got him fired from his job because he dared to say one time that muslims in full dress garb made him nervous on an airplane..

    After three years of Mr. Trump as president, 65 percent of black people say it is a “bad time” to be black in America.

    Let's see that poll... If you can't show it, it didn't happen..

    He told four congresswomen of color, three of whom were born in the United States, that they should “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.” He called Representative Maxine Waters, a California Democrat, a “low-IQ person” and Omarosa Manigault Newman, a former aide, a “dog.” He said one black reporter was a “loser” and another asked “a lot of stupid questions.”

    And that means what??? Maxine Waters IS a low-IQ person.. And ugly as a mud-fence as well..

    So, President Trump said some mean things about Democrats..

    Now.. THINK HARD... Have Democrats ever said mean things about President Trump??

    THINK... THINK... Did they???

    Of course they did..

    So what point are you trying to make???

    So you might say that Trump isn't going to get, say, 40% of the black vote in November. In this reality, that is.

    Fine.. You disagree... Are you so sure of your FACTS that you are willing to make a monetary wager??? Because I am...

    I am willing to wager, right here, right now that President Trump pulls 50% of the total black vote on Election Day.. Monies will be paid during The Weigantian Holiday Fund Raiser..

    Are you so sure of your facts, you want to put your $$$ where your facts are??

    Because I am... :D

  95. [95] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK My time is going to be my wife's soon...

    You let me know if you want to back up your claim with $$$....

    Because, if yer not.. You must not really believe it, eh?? : D

    I'll catch up with you in the AM and we can compare facts and such... :D

  96. [96] 
    MyVoice wrote:

    [88] MtnCaddy wrote:
    I've been reading this troll for a coupla years now and all I can say is, wow what powers you must have! Did you use "Jedi mind tricks" on Michale, strictly speaking? C'mon, dish Brother/Sister!

    Gosh, thanks, MtnCaddy. I think we're close to the point where he declares victory a second time and saunters off. I don't expect he'll figure out what's going on.

  97. [97] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Have a good night, Michale!

  98. [98] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Hey Michale!

    You musta missed my comment #91, above.

    Here, so you can practice haha:

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/06/26/friday-talking-points-the-reclosing-begins/#comment-162209

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/06/26/friday-talking-points-the-reclosing-begins/#comment-162209

    I posted it twice, sorta like you sometimes post comments twice. Annoying, unless one thinks that repeating something unconvincing multiple times does in fact somehow convince.

  99. [99] 
    MyVoice wrote:

    [89] Michale

    You puctuated your sentence on facts precisely right. Well done.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8B2oJ5UwAEkE-p.jpg

  100. [100] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [Program note: for some reason I'm getting my above comment "in moderation." Damn this cracked cell phone that tells me I'm signed in!]

  101. [101] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    So I guess I have to wait until Chris finishes his supper haha.

    Wait! He's on the Left Coast...like me! Hey, Chris! There ain't no excuse!

  102. [102] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [96]

    Gosh, thanks, MtnCaddy. I think we're close to the point where he declares victory a second time and saunters off. I don't expect he'll figure out what's going on.

    I wonder about that. Do you really think it's lack of intelligence? Could he be so dense that he really thinks that his braying somehow convinces?

    And if he's straight up just trying to annoy, where's the enjoyment in that? It's not an appealing lifestyle choice to me, I guess.

  103. [103] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Whoops!

    Almost forgot.

    The End is Near.

  104. [104] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [94]

    After three years of Mr. Trump as president, 65 percent of black people say it is a “bad time” to be black in America.

    Let's see that poll... If you can't show it, it didn't happen..

    Here ya go, Michale:

    https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/f29d2c36-fd27-495d-89e3-e97bc41dafd6/note/88ee3d94-b8aa-4298-8f58-4f2581298a89.pdf#page=1

  105. [105] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    I lifted this Q & A from Quora:

    Why do Trump supporters feel that liberals think they are dumb?

    Let me suggest a few reasons.

    First of all, they are keeping company with people like this:

    [Picture of two obese male Trumpanzees, one of them flipping off the cameraperson]

    This does not look like reasoned discourse.

    If I were standing next to these people, I might be sensitive about what assumptions people might make about me.

    Second, President Trump keeps making implausible promises, and then making no progress toward keeping them. Do you remember his promise to release his taxes? Do you remember who was going to pay for the wall? Do you remember that he was going to introduce his plans for the best healthcare reform ever? Do you remember his claim that by “closing the border” to China, he had vanquished COVID-19, once and for all? Was “She” ever “Locked Up”?

    Somebody clearly thinks Trump supporters are stupid, and it is more convenient for Trump supporters to pretend that it is liberals. But don’t put that on us. It is Trump himself who proves every day that he thinks his supporters are too stupid for words.

    This is yet another comment that Michale won't address.

  106. [106] 
    MyVoice wrote:

    [101] MtnCaddy

    I wonder about that. Do you really think it's lack of intelligence? Could he be so dense that he really thinks that his braying somehow convinces?

    The demands of Michale's incessant need to feed his fantasy that he "owns/pwns" the place and is a force to be reckoned with are all-consuming. The guy tries to foster the impression that he stands so far above the hoi polloi here that it's almost like shooting fish in a barrel. He is his own most rabid fan. Sad, really.

    I suspect that his pique today is probably increased by having gotten no responses to any of his screeds after investing untold hours on his chair cushion. That's gotta hurt a guy who hungers for any kind of attention.

    Count on him coming back in the morning to read and respond to our comments to keep himself in what he envisions to be the limelight. You'll be able to smell the desperation. It's never been about winning hearts and minds or "learning about the other side" for Michale; it's just about him.

  107. [107] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michael doesn’t believe half of what he posts, and has said as much on multiple occasions when he has been cornered for his defending some of Trump’s most vile statements and actions. When pressed, Michael is quick to say that he is, conveniently, not sharing his personal opinion of the topic; he is simply pointing out everyone else’s hypocrisy or enslavement to partisan dogma.

    As many of us have learned from our attempts to understand why he chooses to make and stick with such blatantly untrue arguments when the facts clearly show him to be wrong — Michael is not here to honestly debate the political events of the day. He is here to troll.

    I first started coming here years ago when message boards would use volunteers (or occasionally paid individuals) to act as “moderators”. Some of these moderators would police the site for trouble makers, but many were used to keep the conversations moving and going — often by playing Devil’s advocates by posting messages they knew would trigger other posters to respond. They were the trouble makers. I have wondered if Michael isn’t working in such a role for CW for years... as a volunteer; CW would be crazy to pay for Michael’s BS! I have no problem with that if it were true, but I suspect it’s more likely that Michale’s own narcissism and need to feel important to others is why he acts the way he does.

  108. [108] 
    John M wrote:

    [31] Michale wrote:

    "Enough Destroying American culture & History"

    NEWS FLASH! The Confederates weren't Americans! They were traitors!

    Liberals and People of Color are Americans too! In fact they LOVE America so much they are putting their lives on the line to make America better and live up to its ideals!

  109. [109] 
    John M wrote:

    [32] Michale wrote:

    "A Statue that was paid for by freed slaves' own money, this stoopid wants to remove and see it destroyed.."

    It might help if you actually KNEW what you were talking about!!

    The REASON the Lincoln statues is objectionable is because of the way it portrays the black man at Lincoln's feet, naked, in chains, subservient, in contrast to the white man Lincoln who is clothed and dignified.

    DUH!

    "Remind me again how ya'all expect to win in Nov???"

    Biden! Because REAL Americans will vote for him!

    "Because it surely won't be by votes from the American people....

    Unlike Trump who will get the vote of Russian Bots!!!

  110. [110] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Take post [93], for example:

    Lemme explain to you how Weigantia works best...

    Yeah...this should already cause you to be on alert for red flags to start popping up.

    I bring facts to the discussion.. You can bet that the facts are established and factual...

    Michael misuses the word “facts” all the time to mean anything that he says. If you take this bet, you’d be wrong... Michael’s “facts” are rarely factual!

    YOUR job is to counter those facts with facts of your own..

    He wants you to disprove arguments that he never proved to be true, which makes it an exercise in futility. He demands that you show your work when you say he is wrong, but he never was correct to start with.

    That's how a Weigantian disucssion takes place..

    Yeah...that how he wants things to work... too bad he’s destroyed any credibility that he might have had. It’s at this point in his post that I typically stop reading what he has said, most days. Once he has announced his delusions of competency and standing in this group, you can bet what follows is utter BS!

  111. [111] 
    John M wrote:

    [52] Michale wrote:

    "Well, where was the "competence" when Odumbo rolled out the TrainWreckCare website??"

    Where's the Trump competence, who still has nothing better to replace it with????

    "Where was the competence from Odumbo when Odumbo so failed to raise the GDP about 2.0 that he threw in the towel and said "2.0 Is the New Normal"... WHere was your demand for "competence" then???"

    Trump never got sustained growth above 2 percent either!

    "President Trump SHOWED MORE than Competence when he reduced unemployment to it's lowest levels in DECADES.. Why did you not applaud President for his "comptence" then???"

    Where is Trumps' competence now??? He only rode the coattails of Obama's economy. Now he can't even talk about a good economy anymore because he RUINED it with his poor Covid response! The economy is in the toilet now bubba, all on Trump's WATCH.

    "In just 2 years, President Trump brought black and hispanic unemployment to it's lowest levels.. EVER.."

    NOT ANYMORE. THAT'S ALL IN THE TOILET NOW.

    "Apparently, given all these FACTS, you wouldn't know competence if it came up and slapped you upside down your head...."

    Says the totally tone deaf completely not self aware man of his own irony. *LAUGHS*

  112. [112] 
    John M wrote:

    [65] Michale wrote:

    "No.. They have gotten WORSE.. The blocked the police reform that black Americans want.."

    FLAT OUT LIE! No they did not. It was the Republicans who did that. Democrats blocked the Republican plan that would have only set up more commissions to "study" things to death while doing absolutely NOTHING in the way of true reforms.

    Also, FUNNY, how YOU suddenly advocate police reforms!!!

  113. [113] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    John M,

    The Washington Post had an article that somewhat explains the slave’s appearance in the statue...

    C.R. Gibbs, a historian and author of “Black, Copper & Bright: The District of Columbia’s Black Civil War Regiment,” explained that the kneeling slave depicted in the Emancipation Monument was most likely inspired by an old abolitionist image used to fight for freedom for enslaved black people. “It was probable that the white sculptor was influenced by the poster with the words, ‘Am I Not a Man and Brother’ over a kneeling slave,” Gibbs said.

    It had been the symbol used in the argument for freeing the slaves for decades. This was the image that freed slaves had chosen in their fight for freedom. Our lack of understanding the public’s opinion and motivations at the time leads to us acting in ignorance today, if we are not careful.

  114. [114] 
    John M wrote:

    Or should I say how you suddenly lament the lack of passage of police reforms supported by ANTIFA, and blame Democrats from stopping them!

    Please Michale, exactly who do you think you are fooling??

  115. [115] 
    John M wrote:

    [112] ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    "It had been the symbol used in the argument for freeing the slaves for decades. This was the image that freed slaves had chosen in their fight for freedom. Our lack of understanding the public’s opinion and motivations at the time leads to us acting in ignorance today, if we are not careful."

    Granted. But regardless of that, it is people's perception of it today is what matters. Not what it was back then.

  116. [116] 
    John M wrote:

    [66] Michale wrote:

    "And Biden is going to lose and lose bigtime..

    No wonder no one here wants to wager...

    No stones... :D"

    Yet you keep forgetting about our bet Michale. Why is that? Psychological block because you know you are going to lose big time???

  117. [117] 
    John M wrote:

    [94] Michale wrote:

    "I am willing to wager, right here, right now that President Trump pulls 50% of the total black vote on Election Day.. Monies will be paid during The Weigantian Holiday Fund Raiser.."

    I will take that bet if you want, simply because I look forward to you having to pony up. Remember, Trump has to get 50% of all the Black vote, or you lose.

  118. [118] 
    John M from Ct. wrote:

    One of the oldest rules in the matter of internet discussions is "do not feed the troll".

    That is: Don't answer. Don't discuss. Don't rebut.

    Move on. Talk about what the original poster (Chris Weigant, remember him?) wrote. Or answer another non-troll post, with what you think about their opinions or ideas.

    Do not use the troll's name. Do not refer to the troll. To you, the troll does not exist.

    I'm under no illusions that these actions will reduce the 80-90% of the verbiage in this comments section that is currently produced by trolls. But I do think it would make a healthier fraction of the remaining 10-20% who want to talk among themselves about subjects that Chris finds interesting or newsworthy.

  119. [119] 
    Mezzomamma wrote:

    Going back to the bumper sticker slogans and italyrusty's comment about the importance of senatorial, congressional and other races, are there any good slogans for those, aside from Ditch Mitch? They need to grab state or local voters and so need to be more specifically targeted than presidential slogans.

  120. [120] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    []

    You'll be able to smell the desperation. It's never been about winning hearts and minds or "learning about the other side" for Michale; it's just about him.

    Ah, I see. That's why I kept asking Michale if her was here to persuade or to annoy. Pity, that. It's not exactly "living large."

  121. [121] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Ah, well. Forgot the comment number that I was replying to.

  122. [122] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Anyways, thanks you Ladies and/or Gentlemen for putting some of my Michale ruminations into words. It was a nice communal beat down, yea verily!

    I shall endeavor to not feed the Troll.

    Unless I just can't help myself. I think you must be right, the unmentionable doesn't have a clue as to how he's embarrassing himself.

  123. [123] 
    Michale wrote:

    [Program note: for some reason I'm getting my above comment "in moderation." Damn this cracked cell phone that tells me I'm signed in!]

    It's because you put more than 2 HTML links in your comment..

    The way to evade the NNL filters is to pull the http part and just italicize your links... You'll have to remove the 'www' part to because wordpress is wiley... :D

  124. [124] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC

    Ah, well. Forgot the comment number that I was replying to.

    I wish you people would get it thru your heads, the numbering system doesn't matter.. I see a different numbering set up than ya'all do...

    So, don't reply to a number because it will just make you look like an ass... Quote the point you are replying to... You'll still look like an ass because you are wrong, but at least your quoting the right part...

    I shall endeavor to not feed the Troll.

    Unless I just can't help myself. I think you must be right, the unmentionable doesn't have a clue as to how he's embarrassing himself.

    This is, what??? The 5th?? 6th?? time you made this promise??

    Everyone makes it.. Everyone breaks it?? Why?? Because I am not a troll and everyone likes to try and prove me wrong.. But they fail.. They fail ALL the time... And then they keep coming back for more.. :D

  125. [125] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    I didn't.. My 80" TV went on the blink right in the middle of Episode 8 of THE AMERICANS... So we had to drag out a cheapy 40" from the bed room to finish the episode...

    I am gonna have to replace the display panel on our 80" today... NOT looking forward to it... :(

    But the good new is, it will probably keep me away from Weigantia.. Good news for ya'all that is.. :D

  126. [126] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    I wonder about that. Do you really think it's lack of intelligence? Could he be so dense that he really thinks that his braying somehow convinces?

    How can it be lack of intelligence when I am always factually accurate and ya'all are always wrong??

    Unless ya are saying it's lack of YA'ALL'S intelligence..

    I mean, seriously... Look at ALL ya'all's President Trump predictions..

    They have ***ALWAYS*** been wrong...

    ***EVERY*** ***TIME***

    Ya'all have been wrong.. EVERY TIME...

    So, yea, that would be considered a lack of intelligence..

    Hell, odds-theory projects that ya'all would be factually accurate even ONCE in a while..

    But ya'all are ALWAYS wrong...

    It's uncanny...

  127. [127] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's funny..

    I have perused the comments from when I signed off last night and when I got up just a bit ago..

    And each and every comment was about me!!! :D Even MezzaMomma's trying to get the subject off of me was about me!!!

    This is a fascinating study in group psychosis... Surely worth a paper or two...

    THE MICHALE'ING OF WIEGANTIA... A STUDY IN COMPLETE LUSERS WHO ARE NEVER FACTUALLY ACCURATE ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING AND PRESIDENT TRUMP...

    What ya think, JL... Yer the Phd of the group... Would that be a worthy semester paper?? :D

  128. [128] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK But I need to focus..

    Make sure everyone gets an answer...

  129. [129] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    NEWS FLASH! The Confederates weren't Americans! They were traitors!

    NEWS FLASH! WASHINGTON AND JEFFERSON were also traitors..

    Yet a statute of WASHINGTON is in Trafalgar Square...

    And, since you opened yer yap...

    Further, I am not talking about Confederates.

    Why are statues of Washington, Lincoln and Grant being destroy, douche bag??

    If you had the ounce of sense that god gave a mud worm, you would realize that your fellow morons Demorat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter simply want to destroy American culture...

    Never mind that they are destroying men who made Emancipation happen, your fellow morons simply want to destroy American culture...

    And you run with them hook, line and sinker...

    Funny how that is, eh? :eyeroll:

  130. [130] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    Yet you keep forgetting about our bet Michale. Why is that? Psychological block because you know you are going to lose big time???

    I am talking about a bet that takes real $$$. All our bet is going to do is make you humiliated for a week or so.. Big Woop... You'll probably weasel out of it anyways by not showing your face a week after Trump is re-elected..

    I am proposing monetary wagers in the form of donations to Weigantia in various amounts of $50, $100 and $200 depending on what's being wagered..

    If you people TRULY believed your facts, then you would wager... The fact that no one here (sans yours truly) is willing to risk something tangible shows that no one here really believes the BS they're spewing.. :D

    "Simple logic"
    -Admiral James T Kirk

  131. [131] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM from CT

    One of the oldest rules in the matter of internet discussions is "do not feed the troll".

    That is: Don't answer. Don't discuss. Don't rebut.

    Move on. Talk about what the original poster (Chris Weigant, remember him?) wrote. Or answer another non-troll post, with what you think about their opinions or ideas.

    Do not use the troll's name. Do not refer to the troll. To you, the troll does not exist.

    I'm under no illusions that these actions will reduce the 80-90% of the verbiage in this comments section that is currently produced by trolls. But I do think it would make a healthier fraction of the remaining 10-20% who want to talk among themselves about subjects that Chris finds interesting or newsworthy.

    Guess what, CT??? ( I am gonna call you CT to differentiate you from the real JM)..

    Guess what CT??

    You just mentioned me...

    SEVERAL times..

    If I remember correctly (and I usually do) You have actually directed comments to me in the last couple days..

    So, this begs the question..

    If your advice is so darn valid and good..

    WHY CAN'T YOU FOLLOW IT!!???

    BBBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    It's funny... I I have been hearing that "troll" BS for 16 years... I mean, hell.. They have even wrote SCRIPTS to get me to leave..

    All the scripts and all the claims "if we ignore him he'll go away"... which is good advice for trolls... ALL OF IT...

    And yet, I am STILL here....

    So, if all of what ya'all have tried works on trolls and I am STILL here.. STILL kicking.. STILL posting hundreds of comments a day...

    There can be only***ONE*** logical and rational conclusion..

    I am not a troll..

    So.. ONCE AGAIN...

    Ya'all have been proved WRONG.... AGAIN.... :D

    I tell ya... It's gotta be hard on ya'all psychologically speaking I mean..

    To get bitch-slapped down day after day after day and LOSING every time... With your OWN actions giving the killing blow... :D

    I mean, seriously... How do ya'all stand the humiliation???

  132. [132] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    "I am willing to wager, right here, right now that President Trump pulls 50% of the total black vote on Election Day.. Monies will be paid during The Weigantian Holiday Fund Raiser.."

    I will take that bet if you want, simply because I look forward to you having to pony up. Remember, Trump has to get 50% of all the Black vote, or you lose.

    FINALLY.. A person with balls...

    Shit fer brains, but at least he has balls..

    OK. the bet is for $50 American Dollars (Not Quatloos) paypable to The Weigantia Fund Raiser that starts Thanksgiving Day (give or take)..

    The bet is that President Trump pulls 50% or better of the black American vote on election day. And the ONLY poll that matters is the ballot box...

    You willing to accept those terms, JM???

    Before you answer, just remember that I called the EXACT EC in 2016 and bested Vic Florida *AND* Pennsylvania....

    So, you want to accept the wager or not???

  133. [133] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    Anyways, thanks you Ladies and/or Gentlemen for putting some of my Michale ruminations into words. It was a nice communal beat down, yea verily!

    Beat down??? And yet... Guess what??? I am still here.. LAUGHING... :D

    "Kahn... I am LAUGHING at the superior intellect..."
    -Admiral James T Kirk

    It always cracks me when people get together and talk JUST about me..

    Ya know why??? Because it PROVES everything I have said about them and their existence...

    They have a completely unfiltered blog that will allow them to talk about ANY subject...

    We're living in wild times and crazy upheavals..

    Hell, MURDER HORNETS are on the horizon..

    It's one of the most exiting times in HUMAN HISTORY to be a live and ya'all??

    Ya'all talk about me.

    BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

    I mean, seriously..

    The US Government is SERIOUSLY talking about releasing UFO data..

    And YA'ALL are just talking about me.. Just me.. Nothing else.. Just me...

    BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

    I wonder if ya'all find that as laughable as I do.. :D Cuz from where I sit..

    It's frakin' HILARIOUS....

    You people are yer own worst enemies... :D

  134. [134] 
    Michale wrote:

    Here ya go, Michale:

    https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/f29d2c36-fd27-495d-89e3-e97bc41dafd6/note/88ee3d94-b8aa-4298-8f58-4f2581298a89.pdf#page=1

    Oh... It's a WaPoop poll..

    What do ya expect??

    We only accept RCP polls here sunshine...

    Next you'll be fessing up an MSNBC poll..

    BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

  135. [135] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    "...it is people's perception of it today is what matters. Not what it was back then."

    And what will be people's perception of it in the future when it is not there anymore?

    It is important to remember what the people's perception of their time was. Including the perception/motivation of those that put up these statues.

    If we remove these statues then we remove the opportunity to learn from the past, which is not usually a good sign for the future and even the present.

    If you want to take it down off a pedestal to ground level, fine. I you want to put up a another statue of abolishinists or something similar and/or a plaque that explains today's perception next to it, better.

    I think having those statues is important history that shows that even though the slaves were freed in the civil war that they continued to suffer for many years beyond that.

    Putting up the plaques next to the statues gives us the opportunity to learn from history instead of erasing history by "Red Carding" it.

  136. [136] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, it's been fun.. And since I know how much y'all like to talk about me, we CAN continue on that vein..

    But I think I have humiliated ya'all enough for the time being......

    So, let's move on..

    Turns out one of the VP hopefuls on Biden's short list is an American named Karen Bass..

    But there is a problem.. Karen Bass wanted to jump in bed with Fidel Castro....

    So, she's a non-starter if Biden wasn't to get ANY votes from the Miami Dade area or South Florida in general.....

    Not that it really matters who Joe YouAin'tBlack Biden picks.. It's not as if he really has a chance to beat President Trump...

    Joe Biden has never won a Dem primary let alone a general election...

    President Trump will wipe the floor with Joe Biden.. Just like he did with Hillary Clinton..

  137. [137] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, here's an interesting story..

    Seems that the Minneapolis City Council is having to spend $63,000 dollars on private security..

    Why don't they just order their cops to provide security???

    Oh yea.. THAT'S right... They abolished their Police Department...

    Hay CW... If there is going to be an award for the DUMBEST POLITICAL MOVE OF THE YEAR this year, I nominate the Minneapolis City Council for that award..

    And JM... Where's JM.. He swore up and down that The Democrats/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party WOULDN'T be stoopid enough to actually ABOLISH their police..

    Yo!! JM!!!

    I give you exhibit A of the utter STOOPIDITY of The Democrats/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party....

    Now you know and I know that the people that are going to be MOST hurt by abolishing police across the country are going to be black Americans.. The middle class can take matters into their own hands and form neighborhood patrols... And the affluent well, they can buy the best police money can buy...

    But it's going to be the black Americans who are going to be hurt most by all this..

    And when black Americans go to vote... Are black Americans going to vote for the Party that CAUSED all the mayhem and destruction?? Or are black Americans going to vote for the Law And Order Party.. The Party there to help black Americans.. The Party of President Trump..

    50% of the black American vote might even be too conservative.. I can't see The Democrats/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party even coming close in the black vote...

    Your Democrats/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party is really scrooing the pooch, JM...

  138. [138] 
    Michale wrote:

    This STILL cracks me up!!!

    The largely white police force has struggled to regain the city’s trust after the death of George Floyd. The new proposal would eliminate the existing police department and instead create "a department of community safety and violence prevention, which will have responsibility for public safety services prioritizing a holistic, public health-oriented approach

    A "holistic" approach to police work...

    BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    I gots ta know.. What MORON came up with that!!???

    BBBBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Please tell me that no one here buys into that, eh???

    A "holistic" approach to police work...

    BBBBBBBBHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

    What?? Do they have shaman or voodoo princees' caterwauling all over the city????

    BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

    THAT is hilarious.. :D

  139. [139] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK, once again, I am going to do you people a solid..

    I explained above how I am not a troll and provided to facts to prove it...

    So, doing what you do to trolls to get rid of them won't work on me.. As has been aptly proven..

    I am going to explain to you exactly how to get rid of me and provide examples..

    Way #1 State something so utterly horrific and out of line that simply makes me NOT want to associate with ya'all...

    A recent example of this was the group's support for Julie Swetnick.. A Dumbocrat who admitted she attended at least 10 rape parties where young women were raped.. Weigantians supported Swetnick solely because they were angry that President Trump got ANOTHER Supreme Court pick...One of ya'all actually came out and said this was payback for Gorsuch.. Don't remember which one of ya'all it was.. But it was thoroughly disgusting that ya'all would support someone like Swetnick (and Rape Lawyer Michael Aventti before her) and I was so disgusted with the group, I left for a few months..

    Would have probably still remained gone, but ya'all's humiliation when ya'alls faux impeachment coup fell flat, it was too good an oppostunity to laugh at ya'all to pass up... :D

    I even remember Russ saying "By next week, Trump will be out of office" or words to that affect.. Of course I had to come back to rub that in.. :D

    OK, so that's one way to get rid of me. As a group be so depraved and disgusting that I simply don't want to be in the same cyber space with ya'all.. Many of ya'all are pretty close to that already.. :D But there are still a couple people who are worth talking with...

    So, that's way #1...

    Taking a breather...

  140. [140] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    i'm not taking any bets on november's election - there's just too much up in the air to accurately predict anything. but i think given the stakes of our most recent wager i've proven i'm willing to roll with the big boys and girls.

  141. [141] 
    Michale wrote:

    Here's the other way ya'all can get rid of me..

    That is best me in a debate... With FACTS....

    The fact that I have been here for 16+ years would indicate how many times THAT has happened..

    Ya see, I won't want to hang around a place where I am not top of the mountain..... If I am constantly bested in debates with FACTS, I'll just move on to greener pastures.. I mean, honestly.. Who wants to hang around a place where yer always beat down.. :D

    But the problem (for ya'all) with that plan is ya'all actually have to have FACTS... And ya'all rarely, if ever, do....

    Ya'all think that attacking me personally, attacking my family, my children and my grand children is the way to "debate".. THAT just makes me more determined to slam ya'all's faces in the mud and kick yer asses from here to eternity and back again...

    Granted, that's not all of ya... There are a couple who keep things, if not friendly and respectful, at least civil... Those people are fun to talk to...

    But the people who think that background checks and research on posting in other forums going back years and decades... people who think that THAT is how one debates?? Those are the people who I really enjoy slapping around Weigantia.. And, unfortunately, we do have a couple of those kinds of people... I mean, can you IMAGINE the kind of person who thinks REAL LIFE Background Checks is you you debate someone in an internet forum!!?? It's MIND-BOGGLING..

    One person here went so far as to threaten me.. That if I didn't change my commenting style, she would expose things she had learned from her background check of me...

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Of course, my only response to that was to give her a big and mighty FUCK YOU and then double down on my posting style.. :D

    So, anyways, those are the two ways to get rid of me...

    One is be so utterly disgusting and perverse.. So damn revolting that I don't even want to associate with ya'all.. As I said, a few of you are already there.. But fortunately, those types are offset by the people who are decent human beings...

    The other way to get rid of me is to beat me at my own game.. FACTS...

    Unfortunately for ya'all, that is an impossibility because the FACTS simply are NOT on your side..

    There are no facts out there that can defend the actions of The Democrats/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party...

    The entire Party is rotten to the core and there are simply NO FACTS that can change or justify that..

    So, you people are just kinda shit out of luck when it comes to me being here.. :D

    But hay... At least ONE of us is having fun... :D

  142. [142] 
    Michale wrote:

    i'm not taking any bets on november's election - there's just too much up in the air to accurately predict anything. but i think given the stakes of our most recent wager i've proven i'm willing to roll with the big boys and girls.

    You my friend have never had to prove anything.. You can bet that even though I may forget to insert an NEN now and again, it's still there..

    And one of the biggest reasons why is this:

    there's just too much up in the air to accurately predict anything.

    You concede the reality that I COULD be right in what I predict...

    No one else (well, maybe one or two) can give that courtesy..

    After all, what is a wager but a concession, "Hay, I could be wrong. You could be right"

    Which is why I like to use wagers to make my points..

    On the one hand, we have a person who says "JOE BIDEN IS GOING TO WIN!!" but yet, that person is not willing to make a wager... They simply refuse to accept that they could be wrong..

    And THAT is my bread and butter around here.. I love taking down the high and mighty a peg or 5... :D

  143. [143] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    AND that i'm willing to follow through and pay up what i owe, no matter how painful ;P

    tell you what, no stakes for you, but my usual holiday contribution here is 50 US$. If donald gets north of 25% of the african-american vote, i'll double it ($100), and if he gets over 40% of the african-american vote, i'll treble it ($150).

    and if you actually were a fictional creation of CW to garner interest and stimulate discussion, that would be pretty bloody brilliant of him.

    JL

  144. [144] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    Here's the other way ya'all can get rid of me..

    But, I don't want to get rid of you.

    And, as for those who do, well, I'd just ignore them, if I were you. They haven't contributed much of anything that could be called interesting or informative, so forget about them!

  145. [145] 
    Michale wrote:

    Rioters who burned police stations and businesses may find their nemesis, Trump, reelected

    The airwaves are filled these days with experts telling us and each other that America has reached a “tipping point,” that public attitudes toward race, crime, the police and even socialism have changed virtually overnight so that issues believed marginal just a few weeks or months ago are now mainstream.

    They are certain that we are on the verge of a radical or progressive realignment that will finally, as Barack Obama declared after his election, “fundamentally transform” America.

    There are superficial signs that this might be so, but pardon the skepticism of some who have heard it all before. Too many Americans tend to ignore history and its lessons assuming that whatever happened in the past is somehow 1960s was that society was not only in upheaval, but that the young people demonstrating for justice and an end to the war raging in Vietnam were leading a popular movement that would transform the country.

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    The civil rights struggles of the decade had elicited both public sympathy and anger as families gathered in front of their televisions to witness firehoses, police dogs and club-wielding cops savage demonstrators. The public hung on the words of Martin Luther King Jr., cheered his “March on Washington” and Congress responded by passing landmark civil rights legislation that wouldn’t have made it to the floors of the House or Senate a few short years before.

    The polling then was not as sophisticated as it is today, but it did show growing public support for the changes progressives of the day sought or at least until things turned violent in the wake of King’s assassination in 1968. The understandable rage of a community violently robbed of its hero erupted into riots that devastated major American cities and created a public backlash that doomed the political hopes of those who had been so sure they were on the verge of success.
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/27/rioters-who-burned-police-stations-and-businesses-/

    This is exactly what I am talking about as far as the delusions of the The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party and most everyone here...

    Ya'all (and they) simply can't see the predicament their are in...

    NO American is going to vote for the President that doesn't make a firm unequivocal NO to these activities..

    As things stand now, THAT President is President Donald Trump..

    Does ANYONE here honestly and truly believe that these riots, these rapes, these murders, the cop ambushes and murders are all going to be acceptable to the American people??

    Does ANYONE here honestly believe that???

    It's a simple question..

  146. [146] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Here is what I would like, though … for you to ignore them as well and stop using "you people" because I hate being put in the same barrel with them, you know?

  147. [147] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    and if you actually were a fictional creation of CW to garner interest and stimulate discussion, that would be pretty bloody brilliant of him.

    hehehehehehehe That really made me laugh.. :D

    tell you what, no stakes for you, but my usual holiday contribution here is 50 US$. If donald gets north of 25% of the african-american vote, i'll double it ($100), and if he gets over 40% of the african-american vote, i'll treble it ($150).

    And I will reciprocate...

    I pay by the comment.. Sometimes $1 per comment, lately it's been 50 cents per comment.. Last year I was literally on the operating table with my chest cut open so I wasn't able to do anything, which is a continued point of sadness & shame for me.. Especially because I bragged about it so much..

    In any case, I'll take your wager under advisement and if no one else wants to jump in, I'll jump in on yours commiserate'ly...

    But I would like to see if we can drag in some virgins first, if we can.. :D

  148. [148] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Here is what I would like, though … for you to ignore them as well and stop using "you people" because I hate being put in the same barrel with them, you know

    Fair enough.. That has always been a point of contention and I sometimes forget my manners..

    As I told JL, I use (NEN) to differentiate and I need to remember to use it more often..

    I'll do so in the future..

  149. [149] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    Does ANYONE here honestly and truly believe that these riots, these rapes, these murders, the cop ambushes and murders are all going to be acceptable to the American people??

    I think the answer to that question is no.

    But, you cannot continue to avoid and dismiss the other side of that coin - the peaceful protests in the US and around the world for equality and justice (a fight always worth having); the incompetence of some police who use deadly force as option number one without much or any thought; the US, along with many other countries (my own country, certainly included) have never come to terms with its racist past and present; progress toward the future won't be pleasant without addressing these problems and others - and expect to have intelligent conversations here with people who truly wish to participate in those conversations.

    I think that, if you were really serious about making this blog - a blog I know we both respect, absolutely - a place where ideas can be shared without the rampant juvenile behavior by being the first to act without waiting for others, then this place could be a spot on the internets that is worthy of Chris's headlining pieces.

    That is what I will continue to hope for ...

  150. [150] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    As I told JL, I use (NEN) to differentiate and I need to remember to use it more often..

    Well, of course, I appreciate that effort. But, so much more is needed.

  151. [151] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    But, you cannot continue to avoid and dismiss the other side of that coin - the peaceful protests in the US and around the world for equality and justice (a fight always worth having);

    Fair enough.. But the problem is the peaceful protests usually degenerate into violence..

    But let's discuss this equality and justice part... I tried to engage MC on that, asked him what he would do about police "reform".. He brushed me off and continues to do so to this day..

    But, hay.. Let's ignore that...

    The incident that started these protests, what exactly was done wrong???

    If George Floyd was white, then Officer Chauvin would have gone home, had a beer and hit the sack.. If Chauvin did nothing wrong if Floyd was white, I am at a loss to understand what Chauvin did wrong when Floyd was black??

    I have been asking for several weeks now..

    WHAT can be done??? Systemic/Institutionalized racism is dead in this country.. It died the day we elected a black American has POTUS...

    Of course there is racism, just like there is hate.. You punish it as it rears it's ugly head and press on..

    But seriously...??? ABOLISH the police?? Even if Chauvin's actions were racist (which there are no facts to support) does that mean you abolish the entire department because of ONE man's racist acts??

    Where is the LOGIC in that???

    Where is the logic in ANY of the protests??

    There is a whole list of actions by "peaceful" protests that are so fraking illogical...

    Attacking Lincoln's memorials.. Grant's memorials??

    Help me understand the logic behind those actions..

    I think that, if you were really serious about making this blog - a blog I know we both respect, absolutely - a place where ideas can be shared without the rampant juvenile behavior by being the first to act without waiting for others, then this place could be a spot on the internets that is worthy of Chris's headlining pieces.

    I am willing to do my part..

    I have put forth some questions about the activities of the Democrat Party..

    I would love to here how they can be justified..

    Let's get some calm reasoned discussions going.. :D

  152. [152] 
    Michale wrote:

    Here's an interesting take..

    When Black lives matter to Democrats, and when they don't

    Democrats say Black lives matter but it's becoming clear they only matter sometimes, which explains why Democrats blocked Tim Scott's justice reform bill.

    Do Black lives matter to Democrats? As Tim Alberta recently reported, a lot of Black voters think the answer is no. That may explain why the Democrats are blocking the GOP justice reform bill in the Senate: With Black voters already discouraged, Democrats don’t want them to get the idea that Republicans may have something to offer.

    Alberta’s reporting, in Politico, is striking. At the invitation of a local African-American politico, he spent an afternoon with a bunch of middle-class Black voters outside Detroit. He found they were disappointed in the Democrats, thought nothing much had changed for them during the Obama presidency, and expected Trump to win even though they planned to vote for Biden themselves.

    Democrats haven't actually helped Black communities
    As a woman named Ursura Moore observed: “Some people thought just because we had a Black president, he was going to make things better for Black people — he was going to free Black prisoners, wipe out Black debt. That was just ignorance. But the disappointment some of us felt with Obama — more so with the Democratic Party —that was real. And it hasn’t gone away. So, people start to wonder whether the outcome even matters. They wonder whether they should bother voting at all.”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/06/27/black-lives-matter-but-only-sometimes-column/3264946001/

    This is why I say that the Democrat Party is hemorrhaging black American support..

    Sure, some say they are still going to vote for Biden.. But for every ONE who says they'll vote for Biden, 4 or 5 will vote for Trump..

    What do you say to those black Americans when President Trump did more for them in 2 years than the Democrat Party did in 4 decades!!???

    This isn't just stuff I am making up.. These are facts and reality...

    Democrats can't just ignore it and hope it changes...

    They have to change it..

    What are Democrats gonna stand for besides Trump hate???

  153. [153] 
    Michale wrote:

    Eric Benjamin commented: “Biden’s a politician, same as the rest of them, same as Trump. But at least with Trump you know where he stands,” he said. “If we were sitting here, me and you, and you’re pretending we’re friends, but then behind my back, you act like you don’t even know me, that’s the worst. I’d much rather you just tell me to my face that we’re not friends. That’s Trump. I respect that. The Democrats always be acting like we’re friends.”

    And, most damningly, Sherry Gay-Dagnogo said: “We’re always the fucking help! And I’m tired of being the help!” she cried. “Don’t wait until it’s an election year, until you’re in trouble, to come to us and ask for help saving your a--. They always say it will be different after the next election. But it never is. And we’re sick of it.”

    U.S. Sen. Tim Scott on June 23, 2020, in Washington, DC.
    Even activists like Shaun King are noticing that “systemic racism” seems to happen mostly in Democratic-controlled cities and states: “Democrats, from top to bottom, are running the cities with the worst police brutality in America right now. We voted for them.”

    From Recy Taylor to Breonna Taylor: Plight of Black women often forgotten when it comes to justice

    So now comes President Donald Trump — who’s already successfully pushed a criminal-justice reform package, the First Step Act, with Kim Kardashian and Kanye West, and already issued an executive order limiting police chokeholds and other abusive behavior that won praise even from Van Jones — and the Democrats are terrified that he might deliver a major reform bill in Congress before the election, and they can’t have that. Better that nothing should happen than that Black voters might see Trump as performing where the Democrats — even when they controlled the White House and had a supermajority in Congress — never did.

    This is everything I have been saying about The Democrat Party vis a vis relations with black Americans..

    I am not making shit up.. This is the reality of the here and now...

    And does anyone here doubt that this is really happening??

    And what is the Democrat Party going to do about it???

    What's their plan???

    "Russians don't take a dump without a plan, son."
    -Admiral Painter, HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER

    So what is the Democrat Party plan to appease black Americans???

    Whatever it is, they better come up with it quick and it better be a damn pretty much flawless plan.. Because in 128 days, ALL Americans go to the ballot box.. And I think 50% black American support for President Trump is underestimating things...

    I know, I know.. I am throwing a lot out there... Turns out I have more time on my hands than I thought.. One of my 80" TVs had a busted panel.. :( So it's to plan B.. :D

  154. [154] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    What can be done?

    I don't really understand what needs to be done or what can be done, yet.

    But, I know there are examples in your country where cities have made real reform with positive results.

    For example, I am beginning to learn what one city in New Jersey has already done and continues to do.

    In 2012, Camden disbanded its police department because of corruption. The force was reimagined and the crime rate fell almost by 50%. Community policing is a big part of it, I think.

    New recruits must go around knocking on doors in the neighbourhoods where they'll be working to introduce themselves and to ask what improvements the community would like to see.

    Camden has a population only one fifth of Minneapolis. What works in one city may not in another. Different remedies for different situations.

    The point is that it is possible for police departments to change and improve to the point where the people they serve appreciate them and are not afraid of them.

    I'm still learning about all of this but, I think change can happen that will for the good of everyone. It won't be easy but, it will be worth it.

    I think it can be an interesting and informative conversation to have here, anyways … if it can happen without all of the usual juvenile nonsense.

  155. [155] 
    MyVoice wrote:

    [117] John M from Ct. wrote:
    One of the oldest rules in the matter of internet discussions is "do not feed the troll".

    That is: Don't answer. Don't discuss. Don't rebut.

    Very well; I shall refrain.

  156. [156] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Let's see how you do on that promise.

  157. [157] 
    Michale wrote:

    What we are seeing in the destruction of America's culture via it's monuments and statues is Iconoclasm..

    Iconoclasm is not just vandalism and violence. It is a very specific variety that usually signifies profound regime change. That’s why the toppling of old Soviet monoliths in the 1989 liberation of Eastern Europe was so salient. They were important symbols of that sclerotic Soviet empire’s power. And for true revolutionary potential, it’s helpful if these monuments are torn down by popular uprisings. That adds to the symbolism of a new era, even if it also adds to the chaos. That was the case in Mao’s Cultural Revolution, when the younger generation, egged on by the regime, went to work on any public symbols or statues they deemed problematically counterrevolutionary, creating a reign of terror that even surpassed France’s.

    And Mao’s model is instructive in another way. It shows you what happens when a mob is actually quietly supported by elites, who use it to advance their own goals. The Red Guards did what they did — to their friends, and parents, and teachers — in the spirit of the Communist regime itself. They murdered and tortured, and subjected opponents to public humiliations — accompanied by the gleeful ransacking of religious and cultural sites. In their attack on the Temple of Confucius, almost 7,000 priceless artifacts were destroyed. By the end of the revolution, almost two-thirds of Beijing’s historical sites had been destroyed in a frenzy of destruction against “the four olds: old customs, old habits, old culture, and old ideas.” Mao first blessed, then reined in these vandals.
    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/andrew-sullivan-you-say-you-want-a-revolution.html

    The problem for the Democrat Party is the Iconoclasm is being done as a political tactic against the American people. More specifically President Trump supporters....

    And, this near to an election, it's not a valid tactic to be used by the losing side..

    Iconoclasm simply exacerbates the losses and will lead to a landslide victory by the forces allied against the Iconoclasm....

    In essence the forces of the Left vow to use Iconoclasm to force capitulation from President Trump and his supporters..

    Unfortunately, for the Left it's having the opposite effect... It's turning everyday Americans against the Left and bring more and more supporters to President Trump...

    There is ample precedence for this.. Namely the actions of the Democrat Party in 1968...

    The only question that remains is can the Democrat Party formulate a new plan in 128 days??

    The BIGGER question is does the Democrat Party see any NEED for a new plan??

  158. [158] 
    Michale wrote:

    Let's see how you do on that promise.

    "I swear, he beat my by 1 second!!"
    -Tony Stark, AVENGERS, AGE OF ULTRON

  159. [159] 
    Michale wrote:

    You Say You Want a Revolution?

    One of the things you know if you were brought up as a Catholic in a Protestant country, as I was, is how the attempted extirpation of England’s historic Catholic faith was enforced not just by executions, imprisonments, and public burnings but also by the destruction of monuments, statues, artifacts, paintings, buildings, and sacred sculptures. The shift in consciousness that the religious revolution required could not be sustained by words or terror alone. The new regime — an early pre-totalitarian revolution imposed from the top down — had to remove all signs of what had come before. The items were not merely forms of idolatry in the minds of the newly austere Protestant vision; they also served to perpetuate the rule of the pope. They could be occasions for treason, heresy, and sin.

    The impulse for wiping the slate clean is universal. Injustices mount; moderation seems inappropriate; radicalism wins and then tries to destroy the legacy of the past as a whole. The Taliban’s notorious destruction of the great Buddhas of Bamian in Afghanistan was a similar attempt to establish unquestioned Islamic rule. “Muslims should be proud of smashing idols. It has given praise to Allah that we have destroyed them,” Mullah Mohammed Omar explained. This was the spirit of Paris in 1789 as well. “If we love truth more than the fine arts,” the Enlightenment figure Denis Diderot remarked, “let us pray to God for some iconoclasts.” (He was also the lovely chap who insisted that “humankind will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.” And in the French Revolution, of course, he almost got his way.) The Romans, for their part, eventually decided that the only way to govern Jews was to physically destroy their Temple in Jerusalem.

    The problem for the Democrat Party is they are trying to wipe the slate clean WHILE they are still fighting (and losing badly, I might add) for supremacy...

    As I said above.. Indulging in Iconoclasm while yer still fighting the war serves to steel the enemy's resolve against you..

    In the movie TIMELINE, the story was told about how the English had kidnapped a French Lord's sister and strung her up outside the gates of Castle LaRoche. The English felt that such a display of barbarity and cruelty will so dis-courage and dis-hearten the French and they would give up and go home..

    But the act actually inflamed the French who fought that much harder and, with a little help from some time-travelers, breached the walls of the English Castle and killed all the English..

    Such a scenario is playing out now.. The Democrats think that by destroying culture and monuments that the Right hold dear, they will dishearten the Right and leave the Right with less will to fight..

    Of course, the Left being the Left and never really understood US patriotism and exceptionalism, miscalculated greatly...

    Independents and NPAs are being turned away from the Left by the 10s of millions....

    The coming election in 128 days is going to make Clinton/Dole look like a family picnic, with President Trump in the role of Clinton and Biden in the role of Dole...

    There is really no other way this can play out..

  160. [160] 
    Michale wrote:

    MyVoice...

    Very well; I shall refrain.

    So, in the end, it is you who is slinking off... :D

    I coulda told ya that would happen.. :D

  161. [161] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale, didn't Chris warn you about cutting and pasting articles and putting them in bold?

    Well, I know why you're doing it … you're just too damn lazy. Heh.

    Seriously, though, it would be nice if we could just see and read your own words, you know.

  162. [162] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    MICHALE!!! Was that really necessary. Geesh.

  163. [163] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Well, I'll be pleasantly surprised if they don't bite on that bait.

  164. [164] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    In 2012, Camden disbanded its police department because of corruption. The force was reimagined and the crime rate fell almost by 50%. Community policing is a big part of it, I thin

    All they did was turn LEO duties over to Candem County SO...

    They didn't disband their police, they simply transferred them to the Sheriff's Office..

    So, nothing changed..

    Lancaster California did the same thing..

    The quit having their own police force and came under the auspices of LA County SO..

    Crime rate in both Lancaster and Camden did not change one iota.. Since it was a different agency doing the figuring and for a larger population, the crime rates appeared to go down when, in fact, the went higher..

    The point is that it is possible for police departments to change and improve to the point where the people they serve appreciate them and are not afraid of them.

    Do you ascribe ANY fault to the community at all??

    http://sjfm.us/pics/community.jpg

    We see cops being ambushed and cops being killed...

    Doesn't the community owe some respect to cops???

    Officer Chauvin and Officer Rolff did absolutely NOTHING wrong... If the community can't see that, then they are the ones with the problem..

    But that's not even what's happening.. It's activists stirring up hate and violence to further a Party/Ideological agenda...

    And that is easy to prove.. If Floyd or Brooks had been white, nothing would have been said...

    That's why there can be no solution here...

    Because there is not a problem here...

    Once we get past the election, all of this bullshit will disappear or be relegated to back channels...

  165. [165] 
    Michale wrote:

    Michale, didn't Chris warn you about cutting and pasting articles and putting them in bold?

    Not to my knowledge.. I seem to remember he asked me to break them up into 4 or 5 comments... If I recall correctly..

    Seriously, though, it would be nice if we could just see and read your own words, you know.

    You are reading my words.. But if I just put down those words, ya'all have no clue what I am responding to...

    It's like if you put up a link about a song and then talk about the song.. If you didn't put the link, we would have no idea what you are talking about, eh??

    My words are simply reinforced by the facts of the articles I am commenting on..

    Since it's common practice for practically everyone (NEN) to claim that I never have any facts, it would seem to behoove me to post the facts that supports my words...

    No??

    If I wasn't question on every single word I put down, then I wouldn't have to bother putting down the supporting facts..

    But since most everyone questions ever letter I put down.. (NEN) I put down the supporting facts..

    Hay, it's more work for me.. I'de LOVE it if I didn't have ta do it.. But this is Weigantia.. The blog we have not the blog we wish we had...

  166. [166] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Dixie Chicks are now The Chicks

    http://sjfm.us/pics/chicks.jpg

    Ahh yes...

    Can't have the word DIXIE anywhere... Ban all Dixie Cups!!

    But "THE CHICKS" is perfectly acceptable..

    Have I ever told ya'all that Left Wingers are weird....

    I swear... How do ya'all keep all the Political Correctness straight in your heads???

  167. [167] 
    Michale wrote:

    MICHALE!!! Was that really necessary. Geesh

    Necessary??

    Naw...

    But since he was a prick first, I owed him one.. :D

    At least... :D

    Well, I'll be pleasantly surprised if they don't bite on that bait.

    Oh, I have total control of that..

    If I say he wouldn't be stoopid enough to respond, he'll respond to prove me wrong..

    If I say he'll come back with some witty snappy comeback, he won't say anything to prove me wrong.. :D

  168. [168] 
    Michale wrote:

    In light of The Dixie Chicks becoming The Chicks, here are some serious questions that need answers..

    Can one still order black coffee???

    Are brownies politically correct???

    Does White Castle have to change it's name???

    Is Cracker Barrel totally scrooed???

    Can we still play Chinese Checkers???

    Can kids still do Indian Burns and now be hauled before a tribunal??

    Can we still get an italian sausage without going straight to hell??

    Does any one else share this disgust on how utterly ridiculous the Democrat Party has become???

  169. [169] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oh, I have total control of that..

    If I say he wouldn't be stoopid enough to respond, he'll respond to prove me wrong..

    If I say he'll come back with some witty snappy comeback, he won't say anything to prove me wrong.. :D

    And if I give him both options he'll pee himself wondering what he should do... :D hehehehehehe

  170. [170] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    heh

  171. [171] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Not to my knowledge.. I seem to remember he asked me to break them up into 4 or 5 comments... If I recall correctly..

    Good God! Tell me he didn't say THAT!

  172. [172] 
    Michale wrote:

    I can't swear to it.. It's been years....

    I barely remember yesterday... :D

  173. [173] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    It's like if you put up a link about a song and then talk about the song.. If you didn't put the link, we would have no idea what you are talking about, eh??

    Yeah, I know what you mean. And, since I'm always in the mood for a good song, check this out:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCNzc32H9Vc

    "Soaring above, always looking for love, the soul within her flies.

    "Got by a glance, in a gossamer trance, woven by her lies;

    "Compelling them nearer, dispelling their fears with her See Forever Eyes."

    Find me sweeter lyrics than that! :)

  174. [174] 
    Michale wrote:

    That sounds awesome... :D

  175. [175] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Well, yeah, if you had good computer speakers. Which I don't. Thankfully, I do have a very fine Bose CD player.

    Hey, you'll love this one - get ready to shake your you know what!

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=prism+american+music&view=detail&mid=24CEF70439C26870075924CEF70439C268700759&FORM=VIRE0&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dprism%2bamerican%2bmusic%26FORM%3dEDGENA%26refig%3d01bc89ea403f4d13ba46851cadb4b3b2

    "American Music, you can hear it all over the world!

    "Right now, somewhere, this minute there's a radio playin' on.

    "And, it's playing that rhythm and blues; hot dresses and high healed shoes;

    "With the Ikettes kickin' and the Four Tops singin' that same old song … "

  176. [176] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    I have put forth some questions about the activities of the Democrat Party..

    I would love to here how they can be justified..

    As is typical with you, you are highlighting the actions of a few and claiming that the entire Democratic Party is behind them. This is why discussing politics with you is futile: you refuse to exit your Trump bubble of bullshit and enter the real world.

    Surprised that you aren’t more upset with Trump not speaking out against Russia offering rewards to terrorists to target US and British troops. I guess Putin gets a free pass from the GOP once again!

  177. [177] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Hey, Russ, what' your current favourite song and would you provide a link here on the CW Sunday Music Festival and Dance Party!?

  178. [178] 
    Michale wrote:

    As is typical with you, you are highlighting the actions of a few and claiming that the entire Democratic Party is behind them. This is why discussing politics with you is futile: you refuse to exit your Trump bubble of bullshit and enter the real world.

    State your facts that they are only a few and not the entire Democrat Party..

    Because I have cited similar information from a multitude of sources that show it's Party-Wide..

    It's good that you try and deny that it's the entire Party..

    Because that shows that YOU think it's bad as well...

    Surprised that you aren’t more upset with Trump not speaking out against Russia offering rewards to terrorists to target US and British troops. I guess Putin gets a free pass from the GOP once again!

    Oh jeezus.... Russia again??

    You shot your wad on Russia and you lost..

    Give it a rest already...

    We're talking about the Democrat Party and how they are the party of cop killers and enemies of Abraham Lincoln...

    I have ample FACTS that prove my case...

    Do you have ANY???

    No???

    Of course you don't...

  179. [179] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Such a scenario is playing out now..

    So you believe that Trump will be re-elected because time travelers from the future are aiding his campaign? Honestly, it is about the only way that he could get re-elected, so it makes since for you to hold on to such a delusion.

  180. [180] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Say, Michale, are you with me on this project?

  181. [181] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Democratic silence on antifa is dangerous

    There is a disturbing silence from leaders of the Democratic Party over those gangs of black-masked leftist thugs shutting down free speech and beating people to the ground with clubs at Berkeley.

    We've seen such leftist violence before, and we saw it again just the other day at a protest in Berkeley, when the city police backed off and the thugs who call themselves antifa swarmed peaceful protesters of the right.
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-antifa-kass-met-0830-20170829-column.html

    Where's yer facts, Russ???

  182. [182] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Aren't six days of the week enough for this sort of nonsense!?

  183. [183] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's all over the internet, young men of the hard left in black masks, black gloves, armed with clubs, hunting down prey who dare speak their minds.

    What's striking about all this is the silence.

    There has been no concerted media effort to pressure Democratic politicians to denounce Democratic muscle. So Democratic politicians have been relatively silent, as have many of their loyal pundits. A few pundits of the left have even compared the thugs with American soldiers hitting Omaha beach, a ridiculous attempt to legitimize the violence.

    This is all corrosive and dangerous. And in a loud political year, the silence of Democratic politicians explains so very much.

    Democrats and AntiFa... 2 peas in a pod...

  184. [184] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    ENOUGH!

  185. [185] 
    Michale wrote:

    So you believe that Trump will be re-elected because time travelers from the future are aiding his campaign? Honestly, it is about the only way that he could get re-elected, so it makes since for you to hold on to such a delusion.

    The fact that THAT is all you get out of that proves how deep in trouble the Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLives Party is...

    50% of black Americans will support President Trump..

    You want to put your $$$ where your mouth is, Russ???

    :D

  186. [186] 
    Michale wrote:

    Com'on, Liz..

    I am trying to get Russ to donate to Weigantian Holiday Fund and rub his nose in it at the same time.. :D

  187. [187] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Come on, yourself.

    I'm trying to advocate for making Sundays around here the CW Music Festival and Dance Party

  188. [188] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Did you hear American Music?

  189. [189] 
    Michale wrote:

    This is important...

    Because silence is consent.

    And in this silence you may hear something terrifying: The rule of law breaking down.

    When politicians aren't pressured to declare themselves, they don't. Most Republican and Democratic pols are transactional personalities who hate taking a stand until after consensus is formed. They'd rather wave a moist finger in the air to see which way the wind blows.

    This business of political muscle and politicians can be found in the history of Chicago politics too. Any alderman would condemn violent street crime to get journalists off their back. But if you asked them to condemn specific street gangs or Outfit crews by name, asked them to call out thugs who provide them political leverage in the precincts, they'd look at you as if you'd sprouted six heads.

    Now, it's not just a Chicago thing. Political street violence is a national thing. The thugs of the left have shut down free speech at college campuses, at political protests —and they do so at will. Cops in Democratic-run towns now either stand down or step back. And the hunting begins.

    Conservatives see the danger to the republic, but so do a few liberals who have been bold enough to warn against the hard, violent left. Alan Dershowitz, the former Harvard Law professor, is one.

    "Do not let the hard left, the radicals, represent the Democratic Party," Dershowitz warned recently. "There is an alt-left and we cannot deny it. The alt-left are radical people who want to deny us free speech, who want to close the campus to conversation, who want to stop people from having dialogue, who want to use violence…

    "Antifa is not our friend. They will not help us win elections. ... I do not want to give a pass to the hard radical left, which is destroying America, destroying American universities, destroying the Democratic Party," Dershowitz said.

    Did you get that first part???

    SILENCE IS CONSENT

    Since The Democrat Party is silent on AntiFa's actions and silent on BlackLivesMatter actions, that means the Democrat Party *AS A WHOLE* is wholly supportive of those actions..

    Why is this factually accurate??

    Because it's the EXACT SAME THING that Democrats said of President Trump during the Charlottesville debacle...

    So, since BOTH sides agree that SILENCE IS ASSENT, the *FACT* that the Democrat Party has not spoke out against AntiFa and NOT spoke out against BlackLivesMatter, THAT means that the Democrat Party is wholly and completely in support of both AntiFa and BlackLivesMatter...

    The **FACTS** are clear...

  190. [190] 
    Michale wrote:

    Gotta step away for a few...

  191. [191] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Yeah, it's important and silence doesn't necessarily mean consent.

    And, you have six days to make your voice heard on these important issues.

    Let's have some fun on Sundays! I mean, some real fun, you know? In a politics-free zone, reality based or no. See?

  192. [192] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Since it's common practice for practically everyone (NEN) to claim that I never have any facts, it would seem to behoove me to post the facts that supports my words...

    No??

    Except you don’t post any facts to support your arguments...you post opinion pieces and pretend that they are factual.

    Your posting multiple articles that repeat the same conspiracy theory that you have been instructed to champion does not make it factual.

    So now comes President Donald Trump — who’s already successfully pushed a criminal-justice reform package, the First Step Act, with Kim Kardashian and Kanye West, and already issued an executive order limiting police chokeholds and other abusive behavior that won praise even from Van Jones — and the Democrats are terrified that he might deliver a major reform bill in Congress before the election, and they can’t have that.

    President Trump’s telling Fish and Wildlife officers not to put salmon in chokeholds is truly a wonderful thing! It is so refreshing to know we won’t see anymore videos of geese honking their last honks while rangers ignore their cries for help and just keep a knee on their necks instead.

    Yeah, Trump loves to do these wonderful things that are nothing more than fluff to make his idiot followers think he is actually doing something! And you fall for it every time...!

  193. [193] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [149]

    Elizabeth Miller wrote to Michale...

    I think that, if you were really serious about making this blog - a blog I know we both respect, absolutely - a place where ideas can be shared without the rampant juvenile behavior by being the first to act without waiting for others, then this place could be a spot on the internets that is worthy of Chris's headlining pieces.

    That is what I will continue to hope for ...

    I'm in agreement with Elizabeth. I don't want to get rid of you -- ya gotta admit that this Comments section is SOOO much fun to spar in -- but I do want you to be more of a persuader and less of a troll, just throwing incendiary comments "Democrats hate babies and kittens" just to get someone to engage with you.

    We can make this Comments section an even better place than it already is, Brother.

  194. [194] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Oh, and Michale, please do more embedding you Fox News or whatever links and less copying/pasting long sections in bold. If you want folks to not simply scroll down through your comments, that is.

  195. [195] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    I wanna read your links for myself, maybe poke around your news sources a little bit. Maybe find something useful that might change my mind about something.

  196. [196] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    The Democratic silence on antifa is dangerous

    It also stems from the fact that unless they get their news from white nationalism sites, incest porn sites, or FoxNews, they aren’t aware of any of these stories! It’s rare to find real people who will comment on the delusions that are found inside your head.

  197. [197] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Don't you have a favourite song? :(

  198. [198] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Liz,

    For the last couple of years, I have fallen more and more in love with the music of Tim Minchin — from Australia.

    This one is called Thank You God...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeWPScnolo

  199. [199] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Yeah, it's important and silence doesn't necessarily mean consent.

    That's what ya'all said when President Trump was allegedly silent at Charlottesville..

    But now that it's the DEMOCRAT Party who is silent.. NOW it changes..

    Just like ALL WOMEN ARE TO BE BELIEVED... Democrats believe that with all their heart.. RIGHT until a prominent DEMOCRAT is accused..

    Then it's out the window..

    You can see why it's hard to keep track of what Democrats actually believe..

    Let's have some fun on Sundays! I mean, some real fun, you know? In a politics-free zone, reality based or no. See?

    Doubt it's possible.. Maybe in the good old days...

    But not now..

  200. [200] 
    Michale wrote:

    Except you don’t post any facts to support your arguments...you post opinion pieces and pretend that they are factual.

    I post opinion pieces BASED on FACTS in addition to FACTS themselves..

    The problem for ya'all is you have no argument for the facts.. So you simply deny the facts exist..

    Like YOUR fact that President Trump was going to be removed from office.. EVERYONE here, in addition to me, told you that you were full of shit..

    And, it turns out everyone, including me, was dead on ballz accurate.. You WERE full of shit.. :D

  201. [201] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Liz,

    FYI...The entire concert that the video is from can be viewed on Netflix.... just search for Tim Minchin and the New Heritage Orchestra.

    I watch it all the time and it never fails to put me in a great mood!

  202. [202] 
    Michale wrote:

    'm in agreement with Elizabeth. I don't want to get rid of you -- ya gotta admit that this Comments section is SOOO much fun to spar in -- but I do want you to be more of a persuader and less of a troll, just throwing incendiary comments "Democrats hate babies and kittens" just to get someone to engage with you.

    We can make this Comments section an even better place than it already is, Brother.

    There is no persuading those who refuse to see the FACTS and reality..

    The Democrat Party has a REAL problem with black Americans.. I have offered DOZENS of facts from MULTIPLE sources, INCLUDING LEFT WING sources..

    But ya'all simply deny the facts..

    If I can't "persuade" ya'all with ya'all's own sources, then you simply CAN'T be persuaded..

    It's that simple...

    How can you persuade someone who denies reality??

    Another example.. I tried to persuade Russ that President Trump was NOT going to be thrown out of office by the Democrat Faux Impeachment Coup... It just WASN'T going to happen..

    Russ swore up and down until the day of the Senate vote that President Trump was going to be thrown out of office.. Even AFTER the Senate voted, Russ STILL swore that President Trump was on his way out..

    How can you persuade someone like that???

    Another example.. The Russia Collusion Delusion.. Ya'all swore up and down that President Trump was going to be frog-marched out of office for being a traitor and colluding with Russia...

    Mueller's report came in?? TOTALLY Exonerated...

    And yet, Weigantians swore up and down that it was all a trick.. That President Trump was STILL going to be ran out of office...

    These are all real-time recent FACTUAL examples of Weigantians denying FACTS and REALITY to further their delusional state that President Trump was on his way out..

    Now honestly...

    How can you, BROTHER, expect me to persuade people who totally and completely deny reality, even if they are bitch-slapped with it on an hourly basis??

    The simple facts *PROVE* that ya'all simply CAN'T HANDLE REALITY that ya'all lose over and over and over and over again...

    So, my only recourse is to beat ya'all over the head with facts over and over and over and over and over again and HOPE something actually penetrates that hunk of biased and bigoted gray matter you call 'brains'...

    NEN of course...

    So, please... Don't try and take the high road and try and claim there is something wrong with the way I comment..

    If ya'all would accept the FACTS and REALITY, my commenting style would adjust accordingly..

    But ya'all probably never will so my style likely never will either...

  203. [203] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oh, and Michale, please do more embedding you Fox News or whatever links and less copying/pasting long sections in bold.

    I have a style..

    BOLD for media sources..

    ITALICS for quotes of persons here...

    BOLD/ITALICS when I want to emphasize something..

    ****BOLD/ITALICS**** when I REALLY want to emphasize something..

    That's how I post... It ain't gonna change...

    If you want folks to not simply scroll down through your comments, that is.

    Let's be real here, MC...

    It's the CONTENT that people here scroll thru.. As I have aptly proven beyond ANY doubt, most people here simply can't handle the facts..

    CAN'T handle reality..

    Whether it's in BOLD or ITALICS or Vulcan Script...

    They are gonna skip what they can't accept...

    You know it.. I know it..

  204. [204] 
    Michale wrote:

    I wanna read your links for myself, maybe poke around your news sources a little bit. Maybe find something useful that might change my mind about something.

    I have been PROMISED that "NO ONE EVER READS MY LINKS"... So, that being the case, I post the links here..

    Hay.. Don't blame me...Blame the people who are full of shit when they claim no one reads my links...

    :D

  205. [205] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Liz-
    This my favorite song, for obvious reasons. :D

    https://www.youtube/com/watch?v=6CQb_fgf09g

    Back in the seventies I saw them do the whole album live.

  206. [206] 
    Michale wrote:

    In essence, MC... What you are advocating COULD work...

    If I was debating with people who are debating in good faith..

    But as I have aptly PROVEN... ***WITH EXAMPLES*** (and there are MANY more examples than just those) there are only a select few, a VERY select few, who debate in good faith...

    Unfortunately for ya'all, I have to adjust my posting style accordingly...

  207. [207] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Crap. Put in a slash instead of a period.

    It's enough to drive you insane. :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CQb_fgf09g

  208. [208] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    I have a style..

    You do, but CW asked you to tone it down...

    127,495 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

  209. [209] 
    Don Harris wrote:
  210. [210] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Third time's the charm.

    And isn't it charming? :D

  211. [211] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    And don't miss part two with special guest Trumpface.

    Don't worry Liz, there's no nudity, dirty words or dirty jokes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TayPvSrbKDI

  212. [212] 
    Don Harris wrote:
  213. [213] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Hooray!

  214. [214] 
    Michale wrote:

    Blathy,

    You do, but CW asked you to tone it down...

    "This blog is not yours to police"
    -Vic, some such or another time..

    It's not your place to tell me anything, now is it???

    No, it's not...

    Further, I have permission from the authors to use their commentaries in chrisweigant.com for the ones I need permission... All other usage is covered under Fair Use Laws...

    So take your faux whiney bullshit and shove it up yer ass...

    "K, pumkin??"
    -Will Smith, HITCH

    :D

    127,495 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

    "So???"
    -BashiBazouk, when confronted with 12,000 Americans Dead from Odumbo's incompetence

  215. [215] 
    Michale wrote:

    As long as you people continue to perpetuate the bullshit coming from The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party, I'll be here to render the facts...

    If ya don't like it????

    As I said... Shove it....

  216. [216] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Imagine that. Willie Nelson himself in my backyard! :D

  217. [217] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Russ,

    Just listened to Tim Minchin. I can honestly say that I've never heard of him.

    I also listened to Dark Side, the awesome version, of course - it was fun!

    He's quite captivating - so I'll check out the Netflix concert … since, you know, I actually have Netflix, believe it or not.

  218. [218] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's funny... I never say anyone complain when Vic was following my format and posting style....

    So, obviously, it's SOLELY the content that bothers ya'all..

    The FACTS and the REALITY is all ya'all object to..

    So, as I said, Blathy...

    Shove it..

  219. [219] 
    Michale wrote:

    GRRRR

    Reposted for clarity...

    It's funny... I never saw anyone complain when Vic was following my format and posting style in posting Left Wing drivel and bullshit....

    So, obviously, it's SOLELY the content that bothers ya'all.. Not any "fair use" or any other concerns..

    It's the FACTS and the REALITY ya'all object to..

    So, as I said, Blathy...

    Shove it..

  220. [220] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Hey, Don!

    Is that you singing Brain Damage by Pink Floyd!?

    Nice backyard.

    Nice voice, too. Did you have an audience?

  221. [221] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Back in the seventies I saw them do the whole album live.

    Wow!

    Do you remember any of it?

  222. [222] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Don, the part two video is "Unavailable". :(

  223. [223] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    "So???"

    Is this where false equivalency meets early onset dementia?

    I did address Obama's handling of Swine Flu but your false quote is not it...

    127,674 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

  224. [224] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Don,

    So, I just watched part two of your video.

    I'm impressed. Have you shown these before and are there more of them!?

    I'm guessing you're on board, then, with the CW Sunday Music Festival and Dance Party and leave politics aside for one day of the week … help me convince the others!

  225. [225] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    The problem for ya'all is you have no argument for the facts.. So you simply deny the facts exist..

    Like YOUR fact that President Trump was going to be removed from office.. EVERYONE here, in addition to me, told you that you were full of shit..

    And, it turns out everyone, including me, was dead on ballz accurate.. You WERE full of shit.. :D

    No, we simply point out that your facts are fiction.

    You seem to believe that this is some sort of forum for clairvoyants...it’s not! I am well aware that what I had hoped would be the outcome of the impeachment hearings did not come to fruition. I said at the time that I knew it was not likely, but that I thought it would be the best thing for our country and the best way for Republicans to save their reputations and what is left of their party’s reputation.

    The Republicans reaction to his impeachment was worse than I could have ever imagined. Their refusal to hold Trump accountable for his actions and refusal to submit to Congressional over-site will be a stain on the party’s place in history.

    And given how spectacularly Trump fukked up our nation’s response to the coronavirus, I think my view was definitely the best outcome that never came to be!

    And just a reminder.... you said Trump would never get impeached... so according to your own line of thinking, I really had no reason to listen to anything you had to say about the outcome of the event you denied would happen.

  226. [226] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Liz-
    Thanks.
    Those are the only recent videos. There's a few others of varying quality form a few years ago, but more comical- or at least intended to be.

    I remember a lot of it. There was an airplane about twenty feet long that flew across the Coloseum and literally crashed and burned behind the band.

    There was a huge pinwheel with small mirrors that threw out hundreds of light beams that slowed down with the music during "Echoes" that left everyone mesmerized for a few minutes when it stopped still at the end of the song.

    I wish I didn't remember the racist remark made about the vocalist by a person behind us during "Great Gig in the Sky".

  227. [227] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    There was no audience. I was planning on going to a local open mic night when the pandemic hit and I got tired of waiting.

    As I don't have a phone, digital camera or a camera on my computer I had to wait for a nice day to coincide with when I could get someone to shoot it for me.

    So it is unlikely there will be more "live" performances any time soon- and cettainly no dancing videos from me.

  228. [228] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    That's too bad ...

  229. [229] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    [225],

    Ah, the stuff that memories are made of.

    Well, except for that last bit - does there really have to be 'one in every crowd'.

    Start thinking up your favourite tunes for the next CW Sunday Music Festival and Dance Party … destined to never be on Zoom! :)

  230. [230] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Okay, Russ …

    I watched the Tim Minchin show. Oh, man … ah, sigh...

    Loved the music and the humour - the latter of which you alone around here would imagine. :)

    Looking forward to next Sunday!

  231. [231] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    John M from Ct. [117] - absolutely.
    I wish the comments section offered a filter, so my 'scroll' finger didn't get so tired bypassing comments of people whose only motive seems to be divert the discussion away from the FTPs.

  232. [232] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    Surprised that you aren’t more upset with Trump not speaking out against Russia offering rewards to terrorists to target US and British troops. I guess Putin gets a free pass from the GOP once again!

    Yunno why I wasn't worried about it??

    Because I KNEW it was going to be just some more bullshit that Trump/America haters throw against the wall in hopes that something sticks..

    Trump says intel doesn’t back up report on Russian bounties against US troops

    President Trump late Sunday said U.S. intelligence could not confirm an explosive story that Russian military officials offered bounties to militants linked to the Taliban to kill U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

    The New York Times, citing unnamed officials, reported Friday that it is believed that some “Islamist militants” or “criminal elements” collected payouts. The report pointed out that 20 Americans were killed there in 2019. It was not clear if any of those deaths were the result of a bounty.

    TOP CONSERVATIVES WANT ANSWERS

    “Intel just reported to me that they did not find this info credible, and therefore did not report it to me or @VP. Possibly another fabricated Russia Hoax, maybe by the Fake News @NYTimesbnooks, wanting to make Republicans look bad.”
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-intel-doesnt-back-up-report-on-russian-bounties-against-us-troops

    You people will believe ANYTHING, as long as it is against President Trump or America..

    It must be sad for you that you live that way..

    Very sad....

  233. [233] 
    Michale wrote:

    Blathy,

    I did address Obama's handling of Swine Flu but your false quote is not it...

    That was exactly your attitude when I brought up the 12,000 dead under Odumbo due to Odumbo's incompetence..

    "So??"....

    So you don't care about the number dead under President Trump either..

    You just use it as a blunt weapon to beat the President over the head with...

    Sad

  234. [234] 
    Michale wrote:

    You seem to believe that this is some sort of forum for clairvoyants...it’s not! I am well aware that what I had hoped would be the outcome of the impeachment hearings did not come to fruition.

    You said at the time it WAS going to happen.. NOT that you hopped it would happen..

    You said it WAS going to happen.. Statement of fact..

    And even CW said you were wrong that it wasn't going to happen..

    But you kept on and kept on.. "Oh.. it's going to happen!! You watch..."...

    And, as usual, it turned out you were full of shit..

    Just like you were full of shit with your Russia Collusion Delusion...

    You have **ALWAYS** been wrong about EVERYTHING President Trump.. ALWAYS WRONG...

    Just like you are going to be wrong when you claim he will not be re-election..

    He will be... And YOU'LL be WRONG and I'LL be Factually Accurate once again..

  235. [235] 
    Michale wrote:

    ItalyRusty,

    You know that you are doing EXACTLY what JMCT told you NOT to do..

    You are talking about me again.... :D

    What IS it with you people that you say this would be the best thing in the world, and yet not a single solitary one of ya'all can actually do it?? :D

    Why is that???

  236. [236] 
    Michale wrote:

    In a recent history REPLETE with stoopid boneheaded plays and issues........

    CRIMEGun Violence Is Up 358% In NYC Amid Calls To Defund Police

    Violent crime has also spiked in Democrat run cities including Chicago and Minneapolis
    https://summit.news/2020/06/26/gun-violence-is-up-358-in-nyc-amid-calls-to-defund-police/?fbclid=IwAR1yf8quLvwE0lhgJWhE_wTcNLi3-iCyuzK0waZDt1NAG5JrV5YYjnLF-k4

    ....Defunding/Abolishing The Police has GOT to be THE STOOPIDEST, THE MOST BONEHEADED PLAY ever...

    I mean, seriously...

    The Democrat/ANtiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party really outdid themselves in the BONEHEAD and STOOPIDITY department...

    They could not POSSIBLY have thought of something dumber than Defunding/Abolishing during the middle of huge crime waves...

    And what's even MORE ridiculous????

    YA'ALL ACTUALLY BELIEVE that it will get you votes in Nov... Ya'all actually BELIEVE that this is the way to win elections!!!

    How unbelievable frak'ed up is that??? :D

  237. [237] 
    Michale wrote:

    Let's talk about "RESPONSIBILITY", OK??

    Black people were the first slave owners.. Black people enslaved other black people in Africa and then dragged their slaves over to America to be sold..

    Factually accurate..

    All the inner city ghettos are run by Democrats... If black Americans would stop voting for Democrats, they actually would find jobs and decency and respect.. But black Americans keep voting for Democrats who haven't done ANYTHING for black Americans in over 40 years... And, keep in mind, it was DEMOCRATS who fought AGAINST civil rights legislation and voting rights legislation.. DEMOCRATS....

    And now, with all this rioting and looting.. It's black Americans destroying black homes and black stores and black places of businesses...

    Do ya'all see where the concept of RESPONSIBILITY comes in???

    Show me a black American who is in jail or dead or just in a dead-end life, open his entire life to me and I can point to EXACTLY where he or she frak'ed up.. Where he or she should have done the RIGHT thing instead of the EASY thing.. When he or she hurt instead of helped...

    In today's America, a black person can be or do anything.. We had a black person as POTUS for chreest's sake...

    There are no more excuses.. Black Americans have absolutely NO EXCUSES for being in jail or being dead or having no good life..

    Where ever you are in life, black or white.. you have done it to yourself..

    http://sjfm.us/pics/3men.jpg

    Each one of those men in those pictures made decisions that brought them to that point in their lives...

    It's easy to see which man made the good decisions and which man made the bad decisions..

    Now, adult up and take some responsibility for your self instead of playing the victim all the time...

  238. [238] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Democrats Indulge in a Death Wish

    Maybe voters should grant their wish.

    Joe Biden’s present lead in the polls is a levitation. These are the dangling entrails of the panic that the national political media, which are unofficially conducting the Democratic campaign in the unheroic absence of the putative nominee, have sown about the coronavirus and the impression, desperately promoted, identifying Trump with the recent chaos.

    A public opinion climate worn down by lengthy social confinement, arrested economic activity, and high unemployment is especially vulnerable to disgruntlement about its leaders. Given the pandemic, the recession, and the worst rioting in America in over fifty years, Trump has done well to maintain his approval rating in the mid-forties.
    https://amgreatness.com/2020/06/25/the-democrats-indulge-in-a-death-wish/

    Think about it.. If ya'all REALLY thought REAL REAL HARD about it.. Ya might strip a gear.. But then the realization would hit...

    We have been hit by some of the worst catastrophes known to man... Pandemic, riots, looting, Armed Rebellion.. Neighborhoods be annexed by Mad Max wannabes...

    And through it all, President Trump's approval numbers have been remarkably steady.. Considering the known and documented phenomena that keeps Trump Supports from polls, it's simply amazing how high and steady President Trump's poll numbers are..

    This is what good leadership looks like...

  239. [239] 
    Michale wrote:

    All of these elements are evaporating: the increasing incidence of the coronavirus is practically irrelevant since the fatality rate has declined by about 80 percent. Over 90 percent of those who contract the illness have minimal or no symptoms and each such person becomes a barrier to the spread of the virus, as those who have had it and have recovered are much more resistant to it thereafter. This phenomenon is known inelegantly as “herd immunity”: once the virus has gone through society, that society is substantially invulnerable apart from those with diminished immunities.

    The increasing incidence of COVID-19 cases has been amplified in the anti-Trump media. The president, who was so reviled for inability to test competitively with other countries in March, has produced a regime in which an incomparable total of about 30 million Americans have now been tested.

    The president’s appearance in Tulsa, Oklahoma on Saturday has been much mocked because about 6,000 of the 19,000 places in the indoor stadium were vacant, and half of those that were filled were occupied by Republican Party officials and guests—but assembling 13,000 people in one place, in itself, is a breakthrough in the pandemic era, a first in four months. Trump is now engaged in converting the United States from being a frightened nation to a people emboldened to resume their lives, apart from those—especially the elderly—with handicapped immune systems. These must continue to be prudent themselves and to be thoroughly insulated from the illness.

    As usual, Trump is swimming upstream against the tide of confected public opinion, but he is supported by the facts: all healthy people, about 80 percent of Americans, have almost nothing to fear from this disease and the cold terror inflicted on the nation by the president’s enemies will not survive discovery of that agreeable fact.

    This is exactly the problem that Democrats/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter and, by extension, Weigantians have..

    No matter WHAT they throw at President Trump, his leadership is steady... The Trump/America haters throw a pandemic, President Trump takes it in stride... "What!! You want more!!!" The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Union hurls murder hornets and looting and raping and cop ambushes and cop killings... President Trump's steady leadership calms things down...

    The latest thing is this bullshit about Russians paying bounties for American soldiers.. Of course it's from the NY Grime and of course it's "un-named sources"... They are always "unnamed sources" because no on wants to put their name to that big load of bullshit..

    And despite it all, President Trump just snowplows thru laughing and giving The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party the bird and laughs, "Is that all you got!!??" as he merrily steers the ship of state...

    Trump/America haters simply CAN'T win and here is why....

    It is BECAUSE they hate that they always lose.. They don't think straight because their hate simply blinds them to the realities...

    I had a Social Studies teacher in high school.. Hated FDR... Hated FDR with a passion.. But my teacher respected FDR and his accomplishments.. There was no getting around the great things FDR did, my teacher said..

    So it is with ya'all with a twist.. Ya'all hate President Trump and hate Trump supporters so much that it blinds ya'all to the reality of the good that President Trump has done...

    It IS possible to hate someone but still respect their accomplishments..

    Ya'all lose every time because you hate SOOOOO much, that you are blinded to the facts and blinded to reality..

    That's why ya'all lose ALL the time..

    And that's why I, and President Trump, win all the time... We see the word the way it is, not the world the way our hate makes us WISH it was...

    Ya'all can't see past your hate... So you miss all the facts and all the reality...

    I actually feel sorry for ya'all... For those that only know hate, hate is all they get in return...

  240. [240] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ironically, the protesters, rioters, and hooligans who hate Trump the most (but have no use for the useful milquetoast idiots who infest Democratic ranks, even though they will vote for them), have demonstrated that to most people the coronavirus is a paper tiger. The Democrats have been shrieking fear and babbling utter nonsense about testing and tracing millions of people and badgering people suspected of being susceptible to the virus to self-quarantine, in order to prolong the artificial economic recession for their own political gain on election day.

    The scumbags of The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter have served one useful purpose.. The have demonstrated the blatant hypocrisy of the Democrats... Democrats insist that people can't go to church or other activities.. But go out and beat up cops??? Go riot??? Go looting?? OH yea, THOSE activities are absolutely fine...

    If we ARE being observed by beings from another planet, they are up in their camouflaged redoubts looking down on us and saying, "OK... The have this bad pandemic.. Have to wear masks, but even then, can't go out at all.. Can't go to church or anywhere else.. But they CAN go out and attack their fellow human beings and destroy needed infrastructure and such..."

    If those being had ANY smarts, they would hightail it out of here with their warp speed thinking, "These people are simply too frak'ed in the heads to ever deal with!!!!"

  241. [241] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Democrats have the pathological riffraff of Antifa and the extreme factions of BLM to thank for the accelerated elimination of this barrier to the president’s reelection—they demonstrate that rioting together at close quarters doesn’t spike the virus. It always takes a few weeks for the polls to catch up with such tidal changes in the ever-mobile currents of public opinion. Though the physical attendance at the president’s rally in Tulsa was disappointing, up to 11 million people seem to have watched his lengthy address on television and the internet. It was a conspicuous success to attract seven or 8 percent of the voters on a Saturday night in June, more than four months before the election.

    No matter HOW you want to paint or spin President Trump's rally, it was a huge success...

    127 days before an election. Joe Biden is STILL hiding in his basement..

    Ya'all just HAVE to know that Joe YouAin'tBlack Biden's staff is sacrificing all sorts of virgin animals to the gods to keep this pandemic going..

    ANYTHING to keep Joe McRapist Biden out of the limelight and away from the eyes of the public..

    And, since Biden would now have to field questions on why Democrats are supporting AntiFa and BlackLivesMatter terrorism...

    "Oh No, Poor Joe... He Has No Brain"
    -Homeless Shelter Teacher, DAVE

  242. [242] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I wish the comments section offered a filter, so my 'scroll' finger didn't get so tired bypassing comments of people whose only motive seems to be divert the discussion away from the FTPs.

    Really … with all that is happening in the world, you are worried about your tired scroll finger. You should be ashamed. There are many other blogs where scrolling won't be a worry for you. I hope you find one.

  243. [243] 
    Michale wrote:

    Really … with all that is happening in the world, you are worried about your tired scroll finger. You should be ashamed. There are many other blogs where scrolling won't be a worry for you. I hope you find one.

    Uh.... Er..... I'll just stay out from between this one.. :D

  244. [244] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Wise decision.

  245. [245] 
    Michale wrote:

    I thought ya might appreciate that.. :D

  246. [246] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I do. :)

    Hey, we missed you at the CW Sunday Music Festival and Dance Party. See ya next week!

  247. [247] 
    Michale wrote:

    And the president is only just beginning to draw public attention to his Democratic opponents’ ambiguous response to the mindless hate-filled violence of the mobs that have surged through many of America’s great cities. He is also just beginning to point out the extent to which this urban discontent is based on the incompetence and corruption of the Democratic city political machines that generate most of that party’s votes and to which Joe Biden has been bound hand and foot for nearly 50 years.

    The Democrats’ prayerful attempts to retard the economic recovery, swaddled in fear-mongering and humbug about the coronavirus, run up against the popular ambition for restored prosperity. There is immense liquidity in the system, and the only feeble barrier to a sharp economic revival is Democratic media defeatism about the pandemic. It won’t work, though it will take some weeks to emerge from under the mountains of media misinformation that have been built up over the issue. Time is on the president’s side not only in public health and economic matters but in political realities. At some point Joe Biden is going to have to face questions from journalists who actually wish to have coherent answers to relevant questions, not just the toe-curling deference of Joy Behar and Don Lemon.

    And before the campaign ends, the familiar and often dramatic finale of a mano a mano debate showdown between the two principal candidates will occur. It is hard to imagine how the pallid and inarticulate Biden of this shadow campaign will come through such a test intact. Biden narrowly lost the debate to the trivia question opponent of 2008, Sarah Palin, when he was in his prime, and Trump more than held his own with Hillary Clinton. This year should be a mismatch.

    That's right....

    Within the next 127 days, there will be a few debate match-ups between Joe YouAin'tBlack Biden and President Donald Trump..

    Considering how bad Biden faired against his own Democrats, it's really hard to see how he can be anything but demolished when he faces President Trump...

    Look for Team Biden to limit Debates and try and cancel them all together..

  248. [248] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hey, we missed you at the CW Sunday Music Festival and Dance Party. See ya next week!

    I'll be there with my Barry Manilow records.. :D

  249. [249] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Sounds like fun. Ahem.

  250. [250] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    How did you do all that in one minute?

  251. [251] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    You ain't black if you don't know who to vote for in 2020!

    So true, dat.

  252. [252] 
    Michale wrote:

    Higgins: Enough of the lying – just look at the data. There’s no epidemic of racist police officers killing black Americans.

    Anti-police rhetoric is spreading across the country faster than the coronavirus, because disinformation about racist police shootings fuels its transmission.

    Last month, the horrific murder of George Floyd ignited protests across the country, and despite the involved officers being charged and most Americans agreeing racism and police brutality are wrong, public outrage soon expanded to condemn all police.

    The shootings of Breonna Taylor, Tony McDade, and Rayshard Brooks have become symbols of racist police killings, regardless of the facts. The false narrative surrounding police shootings has caused law enforcement officers to be demonized, assaulted, and murdered.

    The data is clear: There is no epidemic of racist police officers shooting and killing black Americans.

    While every life is valuable, the number of blacks unjustifiably shot and killed by police is microscopic. Numerous scientific studies have proven that when behavioral, demographic, and other contextual factors are controlled, the racial disparity in police shootings disappears.

    Despite these facts, politicians, activists, and the media continue to misrepresent the facts.

    It’s time to stop the lying and set the record straight.

    These are the FACTS....

    But of course The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party can't handle the FACTS...

  253. [253] 
    Michale wrote:

    You ain't black if you don't know who to vote for in 2020!

    So true, dat.

    I hope yer kidding...

    I hope you don't honestly believe that race is dependent on who you vote for..

    So, the 40% of black Americans who are going to vote for President Trump..

    They ain't really black???

    How does that work, exactly???

  254. [254] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I'm deadly serious, Michale.

    I doubt that 40% of black Americans ain't black.

    It defies logic.

  255. [255] 
    Michale wrote:

    It’s rare for police to kill anyone. A black man is more likely to be killed by lightning than by a police officer. In 2019, police shot and killed 1,003 people in the US, according to the Washington Post’s Fatal Force database. Of those, 250 were black and 405 white. Police shot and killed 55 unarmed suspects, including 25 whites and 14 blacks.

    Shooting an unarmed suspect can be justified if a suspect makes a furtive movement, attacks an officer, or tries to take the officer’s firearm.

    Of the 14 incidents of unarmed black men shot and killed by police in 2019, several involved high-speed car chases, fights with officers, or had weapons recovered at the scene.

    Every shooting needs to be evaluated on its own merits, and only one of the involved officers has been charged with murder, but for this analysis, assume all involved excessive use of force.

    According to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR), there were 686,665 sworn police officers in the United States in 2018. That’s one unarmed black male shot and killed for every 49,047 sworn police officers.

    In 2018, police made 10,310,960 arrests, according to the FBI, and the race was known for 5.6 million offenders.

    Of them, 1,548,690 (27.4%) were black. There were 229 black males shot and killed by police that year, according to the Washington Post, for a ratio of one out of every 6,762 black offenders. The ratio of unarmed black men shot and killed (23) in 2018 was one out of 67,334 black men arrested.

    In 2015, about 53.5 million people had at least one contact with police, and 95% of those contacts involved traffic stops, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).

    According to a BJS special report, 91% of whites and 85% of blacks contacted by police during traffic stops said police behaved properly. Of citizens contacted during street stops, 81% said police acted properly. Only 2% of all citizens contacted by police experienced force, or the threat of force.

    After the Ahmoud Arbery murder in Georgia, LeBron James tweeted:

    “We’re literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes!”

    That sentiment has been repeated during the recent protests, but does it reflect reality?

    According to the US census, in July 2019, an estimated 328,239,523 people resided in the US. Blacks comprise 13.4%, or 43,984,096 people. That means police shot and killed one unarmed black male out of every 3,141,721 black Americans. Does that sound like an epidemic of police murders?

    The numbers of unarmed blacks shot and killed by police are so low, most Americans recognize their names. Comparatively, every year police kill a larger number of unarmed whites, but almost no one knows their names.

    Why does the media ignore these shootings?

    It’s true the relative percentage of blacks killed is higher than with whites, but the press does not cover the shooting of whites to the same extent, probably because it contradicts the narrative of racist police. Shootings later determined to be justified are still trumpeted as proof of racism—as with the 2014 death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.

    The FACTS simply do NOT support the narrative that The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLives Party WANT the American people to believe...

    Once again, I post all this here because of all the Weigantians here who claim I never have any facts to support my claims..

    As ya'all can CLEARLY see, I always *DO* have my facts lined up..

  256. [256] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    It may not be an epidemic, Michale but, that doesn't mean we should accept it and not fight against it.

  257. [257] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Shootings later determined to be justified …

    Now, Michale, who determined that? Or, should I ask, what determined that?

    Answer that and then, maybe - just maybe - we might have a discussion.

  258. [258] 
    Michale wrote:

    Now, if ya'all want to concede that I DO always have my facts straight, we can forgo this routine where I have to POST the facts to support my comments..

    All up to you people.. :D

  259. [259] 
    Michale wrote:

    It may not be an epidemic, Michale but, that doesn't mean we should accept it and not fight against it.

    It's about putting the resources to where they do they most good..

    In a year where there are 10,000 black Americans killed, cops kill about 8.. And virtually ALL of those are justified..

    In that same year where 10,000 black Americans die, NINETY SIX HUNDRED are killed by other black Americans..

    Now, logically speaking..

    Is it best to put resources towards the area where 8 black Americans are killed??

    Or is it best to put resources towards the area where NINETY SIX HUNDRED black Americans are killed???

    ESPECIALLY considering that the 8 black Americans who are killed by cops brought it upon themselves...

    It makes NO SENSE to address that issue because the only way to do that is to tell those black Americans to quit breaking the law and fighting cops..

    What are we going to do about the NINETY SIX HUNDRED black Americans killed by other black Americans???

    Where's the group for THAT??? Because it sure ain't Black Lives Matter..

  260. [260] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale, you always have your facts straight - no need to tap them out, anymore! :)

  261. [261] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK... We have you conceding that... Let's get a few more to concede the obvious and I can save a lot of time when I post... :D

  262. [262] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    You just need me, Michale!

  263. [263] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Rambling on about facts while making stuff up and insulting our host. How very... presidential of you.

    127,693 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

  264. [264] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    And, I don't remember seeing you, Bashi, at the CW Sunday Music Festival and Dance Party??

    I hope you'll make plans to join us the next time!

  265. [265] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Oh, and just a little reminder - the WHO presser will be on soon … promises to be an interesting one today …

    https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

  266. [266] 
    Michale wrote:

    You just need me, Michale!

    Yea, but you never accuse me of not having facts.. You KNOW I always do...

    People like MC and Russ and Vic and Voice and Blathy...

    The ones who whine the most with their BS that I never have any facts...

    But I really want to delve into this Black Lives Matter thingy...

    On the one hand, we have an issue where 8 black Americans are killed at the hands of cops a year and virtually all the time, it's justified.. Like Brooks or Brown....

    On the other hand, we have an issue where NINETY SIX HUNDRED black Americans are killed every year....

    Now, if you run a group called BLACK LIVES MATTER and that group has NO POLITICAL AGENDA whatsoever.... It's sole reason to exist is to protect black American lives...

    What issue should that group put it's efforts towards??

    The issue that kills 8 black Americans, virtually ALL of them justified homicides...

    Or the issue that kills NINETY SIX HUNDRED black American lives per year...

    Seems to me that if Black Lives Matter is a legitimate group and legitimately wants to help black Americans, then they should be addressing the black on black violence that kills 9600 black Americans a year....

    Which simply proves that Black Lives Matter is NOT a legitimate black American advocacy group..

    It's a terrorist organization whose goal is to kill cops and abolish police...

  267. [267] 
    Michale wrote:

    Blathy,

    Rambling on about facts while making stuff up and insulting our host. How very... presidential of you.

    Spewing BS that has no basis in reality and insulting our host.. How very Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter of you...

    "So??"
    -BashiBazouk when confronted with 12,000 dead Americans under his messiah Odumbo..

  268. [268] 
    Michale wrote:

    As long as people like Blathy continue to deny the facts, I'll continue to post them to expose Blathy's (and people like him) bullshit fantasies...

  269. [269] 
    Michale wrote:

    Where are the deaths?

    The drum beat to halt the reopenings gets louder by the day. It should be resisted

    The coronavirus doomsayers could not even wait until the fall for the apocalyptic announcements of the dreaded second wave. Because the red states recklessly loosened their lockdowns, we are now told, the US is seeing a dangerous spike in coronavirus cases. ‘EXPERTS SKETCH GLOOMY PICTURE OF VIRUS SPREAD: FAUCI TELLS OF “DISTURBING” WAVE, WITH A VACCINE MONTHS AWAY,’ read the front-page lead headline in the New York Times on Wednesday. ‘VIRUS SPREAD AKIN TO “FOREST FIRE”’ read another front page headline in the Los Angeles Times on Monday, quoting Michael Osterholm, one of the media’s favorite public health experts. Osterholm had told NBC’s Meet the Press: ‘I’m actually of the mind right now — I think this is more like a forest fire. I don’t think that this is going to slow down.’

    The ‘this’ is an uptick in daily new cases from 19,002 on June 9 to 38,386 on June 24. The high to date in new daily cases was on April 24 — 39,072. Since April 24, the daily case count started declining, then began rising again after around June 9. What virtually every fear-mongering story on America’s allegedly precarious situation leaves out, however, is the steadily dropping daily death numbers — from a high of 2,693 on April 21 to 808 on June 24. That April high was driven by New York City and its environs; those New York death numbers have declined, but they have not been replaced by deaths in the rest of the country. This should be good news. Instead, it is no news.
    https://spectator.us/where-deaths-coronavirus-wave/

    See... This is why The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party only talks about the number of infected..

    The number of death rate is going down, but Left Wingers can't have GOOD news to report about...

    So, like the good fear mongerers that they are, they keep putting out cherry picked stats and not the real facts as they exist on the ground...

    Covid is so Mar/Apr.... Let's talk about what's REALLY happening.. The looting and destroying by The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party... The riots and the violence..

    In about 127 days, this country goes to the ONLY Poll that matters...

    And President Donald Trump is going to be re-elected in a landslide.. :D

    Wagers are still being accepted.. :D

  270. [270] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Exactly. Thank you Michale for proving my point for me.

    Plus, CW's request seemed quite minor in the over all scheme of things. Unlike you to disrespect our host...

  271. [271] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    And President Donald Trump is going to be re-elected in a landslide..

    Or drop out if his poll number continue to decline...

  272. [272] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    So much fucking spam.

    So, what's Trump's cut from Vlad the Putana for the hunting down and killing of US servicemen and women by Russian funded Taliban?

    What is such a corpse worth anyway?

    You can bet your arse and oldest born Trump won't say boo to his commander-in-chief...

    LL&P

  273. [273] 
    Michale wrote:

    127,693 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

    Actually, the ACTUAL deaths actually from covid are considerably lower...

    The fear mongerers like to attribute everything to covid..

    So, if a guy drowns but has covid in his system, they call it a death from covid..

    If a girl gets hit by a car and is killed, but she has anti-bodies, they chalk it up as a covid death..

    So, Blathy.. Even when you shout out gleefully about your American dead, even THAT number is bullshit..

  274. [274] 
    Michale wrote:

    And President Donald Trump is going to be re-elected in a landslide..

    Or drop out if his poll number continue to decline...

    Then you should have no problem making a wager that helps out Weigantia, should you Blathy??

    No??

    Too scared??

    Yea, that's what I figured..

  275. [275] 
    Michale wrote:

    'Nuck,

    So, what's Trump's cut from Vlad the Putana for the hunting down and killing of US servicemen and women by Russian funded Taliban?

    Facts to support??

    ANY facts at all??

    Nope.. Of course you don't..

  276. [276] 
    Michale wrote:

    “We call for a national defunding of police. We demand investment in our communities and the resources to ensure Black people not only survive but thrive,” Black Lives Matter, the international anti-racist advocacy group, said in a statement. “George Floyd’s violent death was a breaking point — an all too familiar reminder that, for Black people, law enforcement doesn’t protect or save our lives. They often threaten and take them.”
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/monicamelton/2020/06/08/why-the-aclu-black-lives-matter-and-others-want-to-defund-the-police-while-this-weapons-supplier-disagrees/#3e2f92e22f92

    What about the 96% of black Americans killed by other black Americans???

    Do THOSE black lives matter???

    Apparently, not...

    Funny how that is..

    How about the tens of thousands of black babies killed by abortion every year..

    Do THOSE black lives matter???

    Apparently.... not...

    Frakin' hypocrites...

  277. [277] 
    Michale wrote:

    Blathy,

    Plus, CW's request seemed quite minor in the over all scheme of things. Unlike you to disrespect our host...

    This is not your blog to police.. If the Grand Poobah has a problem with my posting he can reach out to me publicly or privately..

    So, kindly take yer bigoted and hate-filled opinion and shove it...

    With relish...

  278. [278] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    Michale Hunt. The facts are obvious, Trump is denying complicity, yet the US intel decided it was prudent to inform its long-suffering allies.

    Biden, the putative US President will have another mess to clean up on aisle Trump...

    LL&P

  279. [279] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Actually, the ACTUAL deaths actually from covid are considerably lower...

    Actually, coronavirus death tolls are likely an underestimate. [scientificamerican.com].

  280. [280] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    This is not your blog to police.. If the Grand Poobah has a problem with my posting he can reach out to me publicly or privately..

    Which he did. I linked to it twice...

  281. [281] 
    Michale wrote:

    REPRINTED WITH PERMISSION

    Liz Peek: Invisible Joe Biden – Can Democratic candidate really hide through Election Day?
    The former vice president has not held a press conference in months.

    Turns out Joe Biden may have been a critical player in the plot to frame retired three-star Gen. Michael Flynn. But don’t expect reporters to ask him about it. They can’t.

    Democrat candidate Joe Biden has not held a press conference in 87 days. Think about that. The man who wants to be the next president of the United States has not seen fit to answer questions about:

    The protests and riots which shook Minneapolis, New York, Atlanta, Washington and other Democrat-led cities after the death of George Floyd.

    The rising movement within Biden’s party to #DefundThePolice and the growing attacks on cops.

    The takeover of downtown Seattle by anarchists.

    The criminal destruction of historical statues across the nation.

    Tara Reade’s accusations of sexual assault against Biden.

    Tens of millions out of work.

    And so much more…

    It has been nearly three months of nonstop drama and heartbreak for our country, and Candidate Biden has remained mum. He has occasionally read scripted remarks off a teleprompter, and he has sometimes spoken with local media hosts. But he has refused to answer questions, even from a largely supportive press.

    For most Americans, Biden is the Invisible Candidate.
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/invisible-joe-biden-hide-through-election-liz-peek

    And Joe Biden only has 127 days to mount a campaign..

    Doesn't seem like he'll do it...

    President Trump is going to coast to victory...

    Still taking wagers... If anyone has the scrot.. :D

    Anyone??? Anyone???

  282. [282] 
    Michale wrote:

    Michale Hunt. The facts are obvious, Trump is denying complicity, yet the US intel decided it was prudent to inform its long-suffering allies.

    By all means... Show us the facts...

    All you have is un-named sources...

    In other words, you don't have shit..

  283. [283] 
    Michale wrote:

    This is not your blog to police.. If the Grand Poobah has a problem with my posting he can reach out to me publicly or privately..

    Which he did. I linked to it twice...

    I have addressed CW's concerns..

    So, why don't you just mind your own bullshit and leave my facts be..

    In other words, shut the fuck up.. It's not your place to say anything..

  284. [284] 
    Michale wrote:

    Actually, coronavirus death tolls are likely an underestimate.

    As usual, you have no facts..

    Just hysterical bullshit..

    Still don't want to wager on the election??

    No balls, eh?? :D

  285. [285] 
    Michale wrote:

    'nuck

    Biden, the putative US President will have another mess to clean up on aisle Trump...

    Wanna bet??? Com'on.. Weigantia could use your $100.... Put your money where your bullshit is...

    :D

  286. [286] 
    Michale wrote:

    REPRINTED WITH PERMISSION

    A Coup Against Our Institutions

    The systematic campaign to undermine an incoming presidential administration through politicized investigations is a true constitutional crisis.

    Matthew Spalding, a scholar of the Constitution and dean of Hillsdale College’s Van Andel Graduate School of Government in Washington, D.C., has written an important essay on the troubling possibility that the treatment of General Michael Flynn by the Obama administration and, later, by holdovers in the FBI, the Justice Department, and the CIA, represents not just a personal disaster for Flynn—who was, for a week or so, President Trump’s national security advisor—but also a brewing constitutional crisis for the United States.

    Many commentators, myself included, have described the whole “Donald-Trump-was-a-Russian-Asset” caper as the biggest political scandal in U.S. history. We were ridiculed or condemned by the Left and the NeverTrump fraternity alleged to be on the Right for saying that, but time has proven us right. We were right, too, that this scandal was less a “hoax,” as it was sometimes called, than an attempted, if slow-motion, coup. It was an attempted coup because it aimed to disrupt the peaceful transition of presidential power from one administration, and one party, to another.

    That sounds pretty dramatic, I know—aren’t “coups” things that happen in South American banana republics, not the United States? But as I wrote in May 2019, “coup”
    https://amgreatness.com/2020/06/27/a-coup-against-our-institutions/

    Trump/America haters simply can't handle the FACT that Democrats have tried time and time again, to nullify a FREE, FAIR, LEGAL, DEMOCRATIC and CONSTITUTIONAL election...

    One really has to wonder if Weigantians and The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party will simply accept President Trump's re-election..

    20,000 quatloos says they won't...

  287. [287] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    It's not your place to say anything..

    Neither is it yours, but that does not stop you from blabbing on incessantly...

  288. [288] 
    Michale wrote:

    'Nuck..

    Com'on... Since yer so sure yer right, you can bet $100, right???

    BBBWWWAAAWWWWKKKKKK

    "What's the matter McFly.. Got no scrot?"
    -Biff's Bimbo, BACK TO THE FUTURE II

    :D

  289. [289] 
    Michale wrote:

    Neither is it yours, but that does not stop you from blabbing on incessantly...

    Of course it's my place to provide facts for everything I comment on..

    Hay.. It's all ya'all's fault... If ya'all didn't question my facts, I wouldn't have to secure permission and air the facts..

    So, looks like, no matter HOW ya slice it..

    YOU LOSE... :D

    AGAIN...

    BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  290. [290] 
    Michale wrote:

    REPRINTED WITH PERMISSION

    Pols face ire of 'Defund the Police' force, from Seattle to New York City

    De Blasio is trying to meet demands to cut $1B from the NYPD

    As unrest over the death of George Floyd and racial inequality in general reverberates across the United States, local politicians are facing an intense new wave of pressure from protesters demanding police budget cuts as they attempt to balance keeping order in their cities and enacting reforms.

    In the latest development, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is grappling with protesters who refuse to leave an encampment in front of New York's City Hall, as they demand $1 billion be cut from the police department's budget. The department's budget is about $6 billion, and the city has a July 1 budget deadline.

    "The #DefundNYPD for #NYCBudgetJustice campaign is demanding at least $1 billion dollars be cut from the NYPD’s budget - and this money must be reinvested for services, programs, and infrastructure that directly benefits Black, Latinx and other communities of color most devastated by COVID-19," the website for Communities United for Police Reform says.

    De Blasio, in turn, proposed a plan that would cede to the protesters' demand for the $1 billion cut in police funding.

    "My office presented to City Council a plan that would achieve the billion in savings for the NYPD and shift resources to young people, to communities in a way that would help address a lot of the underlying issues that we know are the cause of so many problems in our society," he said Monday.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/local-pols-backlash-from-protesters

    I just love it when Democrats (AND WEIGANTIANS) open their fat mouths and stick their feet in it all the way to their thighs!!!

    BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    But I have to say thanx.... Now that I have hit on a method that makes everyone happy, I'll be able to post a LOT more facts...

    Aren't ya'all glad ya'all have me around.. :D

    hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

    Ya'all cannot believe how much I am laughing my ass off at ya'all right now... :D

  291. [291] 
    Michale wrote:

    'Nuck...

    Where did ya go???

    Don't tell me you went and slink'ed off like MyVoice did???

    Did a wager really scare ya THAT much???

    Hay... If ya actually BELIEVED what you spew, you shouldn't be worried, right??? :D

    "Kahn... I am LAUGHING at the superior intellect..."
    -Admiral James T Kirk

  292. [292] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    As usual, you have no facts..

    You mean other than a Scientific American article backing up exactly my point?

    Hilarious considering how sensitive you are in this thread when other's questioned your use of the word "fact"...

  293. [293] 
    Michale wrote:

    REPRINTED WITH PERMISSION

    Detroit police officers caught on video plowing through group of protesters 'believed they could be shot at': chief

    The shocking incident unfolded late Sunday following a rally against police brutality, deportations and other issues

    he Detroit Police Department has launched an investigation after one of its cruisers was caught on video plowing through a crowd of protesters that had surrounded it, sending demonstrators tumbling off the vehicle’s hood.

    The shocking incident unfolded late Sunday following a rally in the area against police brutality, deportations and other issues, according to the Detroit Free Press.

    “He went super fast. Me and a couple of other organizers that were with me, just went flinging off. We went flying off,” Jae Bass, a 24-year-old who claimed to be one of the men seen thrown to the ground in the video, told the newspaper.

    “He ran over a couple people's arms, feet,” Bass added. “I think I was the last person on the car. I was just holding onto the car. I could feel him speeding up and then... he flinged (sic) me off the car."

    PORTLAND POLICE ARREST 8 DURING WEEKEND PROTEST, FIND ANTI-POLICE 'KILL ALL COPS' GRAFFITI

    Video of the incident, which has been posted to Facebook and has gone viral, begins with a crowd surrounding the vehicle while chanting, “No justice, no peace!”

    As one demonstrator leans on the hood of the SUV – which has its sirens blaring – other protesters move in.

    The police cruiser then inches forward before its driver accelerates rapidly, sending some of those on the hood tumbling to the ground.
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/detroit-police-cruiser-incident

    Hay... If yer stoopid enough to stand in front of a patrol unit going Code 3???

    You deserve what happens to ya....

    I mean.. DUH.....

  294. [294] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Of course it's my place to provide facts for everything I comment on..

    Ah, no. It's CW's place that you happen to pretend to provide facts for way too much copy pasta, most of which you haven't even read...

  295. [295] 
    Michale wrote:

    You mean other than a Scientific American article backing up exactly my point?

    Yea, you claim it says that..

    But you are a liar many times over, so.. Who can believe what you say..

    Hilarious considering how sensitive you are in this thread when other's questioned your use of the word "fact"...

    I am not sensitive at all.. I just know I am factually accurate and post the FACTS to prove it..

    You make a claim with NOTHING but your bullshit..

    So, since you don't have any facts to back it up.. Everyone knows you are lying.. :D

    You lost Blathy... Get over it already... :D

  296. [296] 
    Michale wrote:

    Reprinted With Permission
    The SUV then accelerates and brakes multiple times to clear the remaining protesters out of the way. One man is seen clinging onto the cruiser as it races down the street, while repeated screams of, “Oh my God!” can be heard coming from the demonstrators.

    The video ends with the protesters running after the vehicle.

    LATEST SEATTLE CHOP SHOOTING SEES ONE DEAD, ANOTHER IN CRITICAL CONDITION

    Police say the officers in the area were trying to redirect the marching protesters along a faster route back to the park where the rally was held earlier in the day. The scene, they say, escalated after one of the protesters busted out the cruiser’s back window.

    “There is this loud crash or bang to the rear of the police car. And again in their mind, as according to our investigation, they believed they could be shot at, or were being fired upon and because of that they had to take quick, evasive action,” Police Chief James Craig told reporters Monday. “When you talk about training, if you run into an ambush situation the proper course is to get out for your safety and that is exactly what these officers opted to do.”

    “We don’t know what broke the window – could have been a skateboard, could have been anything,” he added. “But whatever it was, it certainly created enough concern for the officers and their safety and to get out.”

    Craig also said no officers were hurt in the incident and that the department wasn't aware of any other injuries.

    As I said.. If yer stoopid to stand in a unit doing Code 3, then the gene pool you belong to could use a little chlorine...

  297. [297] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Who can believe what you say..

    Anyone who can read?

    You make a claim with NOTHING but your bullshit..

    And Scientific American articles.

    And facts.

    All right, but apart from the bullshit, Scientific American articles, and facts what have the Romans ever done for us?!

  298. [298] 
    Michale wrote:

    And yet, you post nothing..

    So, you have no facts....

    It's really easy.. Even YOU could figure it out..

  299. [299] 
    Michale wrote:

    It really doesn't matter much anyways..

    Any covid issues pale in comparison to The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party's actions in violence and arson and riots and destruction and killing cops..

    If you actually believe patriotic Americans are gonna vote for The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLivesMatter Party than yer stoopider than I thought..

    And I have always known you are pretty stoopid... :D

  300. [300] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale [254]

    One of the best explanations for why the media’s claim that our country is suffering from an epidemic of police violence against blacks is not supported by the data. Do you happen to have a link to that? It has updated stats that I do not have in a similar article that I use often to make this same argument.

  301. [301] 
    Michale wrote:

    One of the best explanations for why the media’s claim that our country is suffering from an epidemic of police violence against blacks is not supported by the data. Do you happen to have a link to that? It has updated stats that I do not have in a similar article that I use often to make this same argument.

    I do...

    One sec...

    It was an excellent article I came across that deals with a lot of anti-police bias from the Left..

  302. [302] 
    Michale wrote:

    Higgins: Enough of the lying – just look at the data. There’s no epidemic of racist police officers killing black Americans.
    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/systematic-racism-in-policing-its-time-to-stop-the-lying/?fbclid=IwAR0uciHoweSJOdBV4lwCW4tm6Yiy6qn9W9C3Zpe-xG8Eh1jqHRLlAVHviGw

  303. [303] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Actually, coronavirus death tolls are likely an underestimate.

    As usual, you have no facts..

    Just hysterical bullshit..

    So you think they are overestimating the number of deaths? There is no doubt that the actual numbers are higher simply from the lack of testing on the large increase in the number of deaths that occur outside of hospitals. The CDC Director stated recently that at a minimum, the number of actual deaths is likely 10x greater than what is reported. It could easily be much greater than 10x.

    I saw an interview recently with the Director of Emergency Medicine at a major hospital that says despite the fact that he is treating hundreds of people everyday — many who have tested positive for Covid-19 — he is not eligible to be tested for the coronavirus because he has not shown any symptoms and is always wearing protective gear when treating patients. So he could have it and is infecting the public and we are OK with it since we are not testing everyone who wants a test!

  304. [304] 
    Michale wrote:

    So you think they are overestimating the number of deaths? There is no doubt that the actual numbers are higher simply from the lack of testing on the large increase in the number of deaths that occur outside of hospitals. The CDC Director stated recently that at a minimum, the number of actual deaths is likely 10x greater than what is reported. It could easily be much greater than 10x.

    The CDC lost all credibility when they said they should be studying gun deaths..

    I saw an interview recently with the Director of Emergency Medicine at a major hospital that says despite the fact that he is treating hundreds of people everyday — many who have tested positive for Covid-19 — he is not eligible to be tested for the coronavirus because he has not shown any symptoms and is always wearing protective gear when treating patients. So he could have it and is infecting the public and we are OK with it since we are not testing everyone who wants a test!

    The problem for the Left is that covid-19 is simply not that deadly... It has over a 99% survival rate..

    The ONLY reason it's a thing is because Democrats and their Media lapdogs want something to beat President Trump over the head with..

    If Odumbo was still POTUS, we would NEVER hear about COVID-19...

  305. [305] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [143]

    If donald gets north of 25% of the african-american vote, i'll double it ($100), and if he gets over 40%
    of the african-american vote, i'll treble it ($150).

    Hey! I want a piece of this!

    I'll gladly agree to the above "MtnCaddy loses" conditions if you'll accept these "Michale loses" terms:

    Michale pays $50 if Trump wins under 40% of the black vote.

    Michale pays $100 if Trump wins under 25% of the black vote.

    Michale pays $150 if Trump wins under 8% of the black vote - that is, what Trump earned in 2016!

    All losers pay to Chris's Christmastime-Shakedown-a-Pallooza-Fund, right? (JK, CW...any and all monies you receive is well earned by the quality and quantity of your work product. Not to mention the great fun your "small, deeply disturbed following" hàs interacting with it's Weigantian family - woot!)

    But...how will we determine the winner?

    Exit polls? Whose exit polls?

    For example I provided the link to a recent poll of support for Donald Trump.

    Rather than looking at what I took the trouble to provide you (on a bleeping cracked cellphone) and addressing it...you know, to persuade, like a NON troll, you "replied"

    Oh... It's a WaPoop poll..

    What do ya expect??

    We only accept RCP polls here sunshine...

    Next you'll be fessing up an MSNBC poll..

    Um, who is "we?" And why does "we" only look at RCP polls? Has "we" been told over and over to not trust any media that isn't "fair and balanced" conservative? And has "we" bought into the bullshit? NotMeNoNoNo "ye" not "we."

    Michale :
    So as to facilitate understanding I'll put this in the form of a children's rhyme:

    You didn't ask "me"
    So it can't be "we"

    This speaks to the whole"what is reality" problem, Michale, as you appear to get your news from Fox and/or OAN but these so-called news sources whose only purpose is to get you to vote against your own wallet. Hello?

    So unless we agree on what "reality" is, that is "how many blacks voted to re elect Trump," how can we wager?

    Moreover how can we reach agreement as to how to guide America towards "a more Perfect Union" if we cannot agree on
    What
    Is
    Real?

  306. [306] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    And you could leave out calling me "a pussy" and telling me to "man up" (to respond to you, I guess.) Grow up.

    G-g-g-g-get Real.

    OMG, I just channeled Don Harris. Feel the power!

  307. [307] 
    Michale wrote:

    That's a lot to digest.. Wife has dinner on..

    Get with ya'all on this in the AM...

  308. [308] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    K, g'deal. Enjoy your evening with the Wife.

  309. [309] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    So, how'd I do, Sister Elizabeth?

    I'm trying to form a More Perfect Union here in Weigantia, eh?

  310. [310] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    There are way too many comments in this thread.

    Mercifully, barring any unforeseen, ahem, car troubles there will soon be a new column up!

  311. [311] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    I'm willing to place $100 in escrow w/CW the moment he stops playing wallball with your escrow cheque...

    Biden will win, handily.

    Save your breath to cool your pies.

    You are the quintessence of GOP failure, Mike. You see Trump's victory as all but assured, Mr. Hunt.

    No such thing.

    LL&P

  312. [312] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    The problem for the Left is that covid-19 is simply not that deadly... It has over a 99% survival rate..

    The ONLY reason it's a thing is because Democrats and their Media lapdogs want something to beat President Trump over the head with..

    If Odumbo was still POTUS, we would NEVER hear about COVID-19...

    Really? So it wasn’t the coronavirus that kept you from having any family at the hospital when you were having surgery... It was YOUR personality???

    Michael, this is why discussing political matters with you is pointless... you know what you are saying is bullshit, yet you want everyone else to take you at your word when you don’t even believe what you are claiming! You aren’t interested in honest debates, you just...troll.

  313. [313] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    The problem for the Left is that covid-19 is simply not that deadly... It has over a 99% survival rate..

    The ONLY reason it's a thing is because Democrats and their Media lapdogs want something to beat President Trump over the head with..

    If Odumbo was still POTUS, we would NEVER hear about COVID-19...

    Really? So it wasn’t the coronavirus that kept you from having any family at the hospital when you were having surgery... It was YOUR personality???

    Michael, this is why discussing political matters with you is pointless... you know what you are saying is bullshit, yet you want everyone else to take you at your word when you don’t even believe what you are claiming! You aren’t interested in honest debates, you just...troll

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