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Friday Talking Points -- 100,000 Dead While Trump Fiddles With Twitter

[ Posted Friday, May 29th, 2020 – 17:16 UTC ]

Anyone "tired of all the winning" yet? Just asking....

In the same week America passed the grim milestone of 100,000 dead from the coronavirus pandemic, a black man was suffocated by a white police officer while three other cops stood by and either helped him commit this crime or did absolutely nothing to prevent it. Since then, there have been sometimes-violent protests in the streets of not only Minneapolis but in several other cities across the country. The dead man was accused of the crime of trying to use a fake $20 bill at a convenience store. The cops, acting as judge, jury, and executioner, provided him with a death sentence -- for the transgression of trying to pass a fake twenty.

So what has President Donald Trump been up to this week? Issuing an appeal for both calm and justice, as well as sympathizing with the families of the coronavirus victims? Nah. What Trump's been obsessed with instead is getting in an escalating war with Twitter. Because, obviously, Twitter is much more important to him than 100,000 dead from the virus or one dead black man in Minnesota. Never has a Nero metaphor been more apt, because Trump is now fiddling around with Twitter while America is burning.

We've been writing about the Twitter feud all week long, since it impacts the First Amendment in multiple ways. We wrote on Tuesday about the initial controversy, which arose because Trump was tweeting baseless conspiracy theories accusing Joe Scarborough of a murder he did not commit. The husband of the woman who died wrote a heartfelt letter to the head of Twitter begging him to take down Trump's tweets. Here's only part of his letter:

The frequency, intensity, ugliness, and promulgation of these horrifying lies ever increases on the internet. These conspiracy theorists, including most recently the President of the United States, continue to spread their bile and misinformation on your platform disparaging the memory of my wife and our marriage. President Trump on Tuesday tweeted to his nearly 80 million followers alluding to the repeatedly debunked falsehood that my wife was murdered by her boss, former U.S. Rep. Joe Scarborough. The son of the president followed and more directly attacked my wife by tweeting to his followers as the means of spreading this vicious lie.

Twitter refused to take down Trump's tweets. What Twitter did do was to slap a fact-checking label on two of Trump's other (and unrelated) tweets, espousing conspiracy theories about mail-in voting and voting fraud. Twitter did not take down the president's tweets, just provided links to accurate news stories debunking Trump's wild-eyed claims. Trump, of course, then freaked out.

Trump began playing the victim (something which he does on a regular basis, it's worth noting), and accusing Twitter of somehow censoring his free speech. This is a complete misreading of the First Amendment, which we pointed out on Wednesday. Trump then signed what will likely prove to be a meaningless executive order threatening Twitter with the revocation of a legal shield which protects them from being sued. This, as we pointed out yesterday, will likely have exactly the opposite effect on Twitter that Trump intended, because now they have every incentive to police Trump's tweets as strictly as possible.

Today, Twitter escalated matters, after Trump tweeted the following about the rioting in Minneapolis:

These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won't let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!

Whether Trump was aware of it or not, that "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" quote came from a racist Miami police chief in the 1960s. Some important context:

Then-Miami police chief Walter Headley first used that line in December 1967 to justify a brutal crackdown on crime against African-Americans in what were then called the slums. At the same news conference, he said that "85 percent of all violent crimes involve Negroes." The chief added: "We don't mind being accused of police brutality. They haven't seen anything yet."

Twitter covered Trump's tweet with a grey box and the message: "This Tweet violated the Twitter Rules about glorifying violence," however, they did not remove Trump's tweet (you could still see it by clicking through the warning message). Miffed, Trump then had the official White House Twitter account repost his message. That too got the same warning label from Twitter.

Trump tried to walk this back, kind of:

Trump later claimed to clarify his tweet, saying "looting leads to shooting," noting there was a shooting in Minneapolis Wednesday and seven people shot in Louisville Thursday amid protests.... After the news conference, Trump's 2020 campaign also put out a statement blaming the media and Democrats for "purposefully misrepresenting" what Trump said in his tweet, claiming they were doing so for "political gain" and "ratings."

But nobody in their right mind believed this incredibly lame excuse, as Trump's meaning was pretty crystal-clear in his original message, just as it was in Miami, over fifty years ago.

Twitter, of course, still hasn't actually blocked or removed any of Trump's tweets. And they've got more steps up their own escalation ladder, should they choose to use them. They could delete one of Trump's tweets or even suspend his account for a week, for example -- penalties plenty of other Twitter users have suffered before. So we'll have to see where all of this ends up, but we have to say it is indeed heartening that Twitter is finally beginning to apply its own code of conduct to President Trump, because he's been getting a free ride for far too long.

Of course, it doesn't have to be like this. Here is how Joe Biden reacted to the video showing the cops executing a black man in broad daylight:

[Joe] Biden noted that Floyd's "final words" were "Let me breathe, I can't breathe," and added that this has "ripped open anew" the "wound" wrought by racism. Biden continued:

I urge the protesters to exercise their rights peacefully and safely. But people all across this country are enraged and rightly so. Every day African Americans go about their lives with constant anxiety and trauma of wondering, "Will I be next?" Sounds like an exaggeration but it's not. These tragedies, these injustices, cut at the very heart of our most sacred of beliefs: that all Americans, equal in rights and in dignity, are part of an ingrained systemic cycle of racism and oppression... throughout every part of our society.

And Biden concluded:

If we're not committed as a nation, with every ounce of purpose in our beings -- not just to binding up this wound in hope that somehow the scab once again will cover things over -- but to treat the underlying injury, we're never going to eventually heal.

Biden made an appeal for calm while also calling for justice in the case. In other words, exactly what you'd expect the president to do in such a situation. The contrast was pretty stark. And Biden took it one step further today:

Promising to bring real police reform if elected president, presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden said Friday that he had spoken with the family of George Floyd, the African-American man killed by Minneapolis police officers on Monday.

"The original sin of this country still stains our nation today," the former vice president said in a video message from his Delaware home, referring to more than 400 years of "Black men, Black women, Black children" whose potential was "wiped out unnecessarily."

"Everyday African-Americans go about their lives with constant anxiety and trauma wondering who will be next.... The anger and frustration and the exhaustion is undeniable."

Again, exactly what you'd expect any president with a shred of humanity to do. How hard is it to call the family and express condolences, after all?

Instead, Donald Trump spent the week not only fighting with Twitter, but also picking a needless fight with the governor of North Carolina, over whether the Republican National Convention will be allowed to go on as planned, even though Republicans don't want to follow any of those pesky guidelines to ensure safety.

Oh, and due to Congress demanding it, the Trump White House had to put out what they called a national plan for coronavirus testing, which, when boiled down, amounted to telling the states: "You're on your own!" Which they already knew, but now it's been officially codified -- the federal government has been a complete and total failure throughout the crisis, so don't expect anything to change any time soon, folks!

And just to remind everyone that Donald Trump is not just a miserable failure on the domestic policy front alone, North Korea just announced that they're going to ramp up their nuclear arsenal. All that glad-handling between Trump and Kim Jong Un was, in a word, meaningless. Donald Trump has done absolutely nothing to constrain North Korea's nuclear program, other than exchange love notes with the world's worst dictator. Which, for Trump, is about par for the course.

 

Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week

Before we get to the main award, we've got to give at least an Honorable Mention to Joe Biden this week, for multiple reasons. First, his handling of the situation in Minnesota was exactly what Donald Trump is absolutely incapable of doing -- showing empathy and righteous indignation that these things continue to happen in America.

But that's not all. Team Biden also has been doing a very good job of provoking Donald Trump in their recent ads, especially one that showed Trump playing golf while the coronavirus death toll climbed towards 100,000. This really got under Trump's skin, as it was designed to do. Trump's tweetstorm in response was truly deranged, as Trump lashed out at Obama for also playing golf, as well as totally unrelated nonsense. This, of course, gave the media the opportunity to point out all the times Trump criticized Obama for playing golf while president, including statements like: "When you're president, you sort of say, 'I'm going to give it up for a couple of years and I'm going to really focus on the job'," and: "Barack Obama plays golf to escape work while America goes down the drain." HuffPost also cheerfully pointed out that, after three years in office, Trump "has already spent 270% more days on the golf course than Obama had at the same point in his first term."

Impressively, Team Biden's ad was deployed almost immediately (last weekend, right after Trump golfed), showing a speed that will be crucial as the campaign heats up. And that wasn't the only time they taunted Trump this week. Biden pointed out what both he and Donald Trump tweeted on one day in October last year. Biden: "We are not prepared for a pandemic. Trump has rolled back progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. We need leadership that builds public trust, focuses on real threats, and mobilizes the world to stop outbreaks before they reach our shores." Seems prophetic now, doesn't it? Meanwhile, President Donald Trump was tweeting to the head of Apple (or as he calls him, "Tim Apple") the following important message: "To Tim: The Button on the IPhone was FAR better than the Swipe!" So we have to say Joe Biden's campaign seems like they're on the ball, when it comes to poking the bear with a very large stick.

But this week, we've got to give the Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week award to Minnesota Governor Tim Walz and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, for their handling of the crisis. Once the video was made public, Frey immediately addressed the public with real emotion, stating that the four officers involved had already been fired. That happened almost immediately after the video surfaced -- unlike other mayors who have delayed making such a move for days, weeks, and even months. By the end of the week, the officer who had killed George Floyd by kneeling on his neck for almost nine whole minutes had been arrested and charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter. That didn't happen soon enough for many people, but it happened a whole lot quicker than in other similar situations.

The Minnesota governor also shares in this award, because after state police arrested a black/Latino CNN reporter -- while he was on the air broadcasting -- for no discernable reason whatsoever (the reporter can be heard identifying himself as a member of the media to the police and asking where the cops wanted them to move to -- in complete contradiction with what the cops said about the arrest later), Governor Walz issued perhaps the best apology from a politician we've ever heard. Here is the full text of what Walz had to say:

I also want to address an issue and this one is on me and I will own it. Earlier this morning, when this mission was carried out under my direction to re-secure the Third Precinct -- to do so in a manner which I am proud of how it was executed by this team, no injuries and no loss of life -- a reestablishment to put the fires out for those businesses, a CNN reporter, a crew, was arrested by the state patrol.

A few minutes after hearing that, I was on a call with CNN President Jeff Zucker, who demanded to know what happened. I take full responsibility, there is absolutely no reason something like this should happen. Calls were made immediately. This is a very public apology to that team; it should not happen.

And I want to be clear for those who are listening -- I think our Minnesota reporters know this -- I am a teacher by trade and I have spent my time as governor highlighting the need to be as transparent as possible and have the press here. I failed you last night in that. And it does not escape me that we are here on the catalyst that lit this spark by what happened with a police detainment of George Floyd and the idea that a reporter would have been taken while another police action was in play is inexcusable.

So to CNN, to the CNN team, to the journalists here, this is about having a plan, and that's what these folks are going to talk about. This is about having an aggressive approach to understanding what the community needs, to not coming in heavy-handed with them but to create space where the story can be told. In a situation like this, even if you're clearing an area, we have got to ensure that there is a safe spot for journalism to tell the story.

The issue here is trust. The community that's down there that's terrorized by this, if they see a reporter being arrested, their assumption is it's because something's going to happen that they don't want to be seen. And so that is unacceptable.

We will continue to strive to make sure that that accessibility is maintained. Not only that, the protection and security and safety of the journalists covering this is a top priority, not because it is a nice thing to do, because it is a key component of how we fix this. Sunshine, disinfectant and seeing what's happening has to be done.

That is how you apologize and accept the blame when something goes drastically wrong on your watch! As we said, we don't think we've ever heard a more sweeping and heartfelt apology from any politician anywhere at any time. Which is why both Mayor Frey and Governor Walz are the joint winners of this week's Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week award.

[Congratulate Governor Tim Walz on his official contact page, and Mayor Jacob Frey on his official contact page, to let them know you appreciate their efforts.]

 

Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week

Before we get to this week, we've got some old business we've got to take care of first. A few weeks ago we noted that the F.B.I. was looking at how Senator Dianne Feinstein's husband was trading stocks at the start of the pandemic, and this week they announced that they had in effect been cleared of any wrongdoing. We didn't actually give Feinstein an award (we reserved judgment), but we felt it was necessary to clear the record, since the F.B.I. cleared her name.

Our Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week could also be classified as old business, since the event in question actually happened last Friday morning (instead of, technically, "during the week since this column last ran"). Sometimes, in the frenzy of putting this column together, things slip through the cracks on Fridays. But when they're important, we feel it's worth revisiting.

Last Friday, Joe Biden appeared on the syndicated radio show "The Breakfast Club," with host Charlemagne Tha God. Biden, trying to wrap up the interview at the end, attempted to be amusing. Or folksy. Or something. Spoiler alert: it didn't go over well.

The line that got Biden into all the hot water was: "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black."

Later that day, Biden profusely apologized: "I was much too cavalier. I know that the comments have come off like I was taking the African-American vote for granted. But nothing could be further from the truth. I shouldn't have been such a wise guy." No, Joe, you shouldn't.

Biden, of course, has a point. Black voters were the ones who saved his presidential candidacy from extinction, in the South Carolina primary. And in the most-recent Quinnipiac poll, black voters support Biden over Trump by a margin of 78 percent. Please note, that doesn't mean that 78 percent of black voters support him, it means the difference between Trump's support and Biden's support is almost 80 percent. Team Trump immediately tried to make all sorts of political hay over Biden's gaffe, but this is a long and steep climb for them, as the rest of the week painfully showed.

So even though it was an off-the-cuff attempt at a snappy line said on a morning radio show, Joe Biden should have known better than to wade into the troubled waters of a white man declaring who is and who is not "black." And for that, even though it happened more than a week ago, Joe Biden is sadly our Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week.

[Our blanket policy is not to link to campaign websites, so you'll have to search Joe Biden's contact information out yourself, sorry.]

 

Friday Talking Points

Volume 576 (5/29/20)

Once again, a mixed selection of possible Democratic talking points this week. As always, use responsibly!

 

1
   Except that's what George Floyd didn't get

Even Mitch McConnell couldn't explain away that video of the Minneapolis police.

"Mitch McConnell issued a statement about the Minneapolis police caught on video this week, stating that the facts are 'pretty obvious' and 'absolutely horrendous.' But in an unintended bit of irony, he spoke about what should happen next for the policemen in question:

We have a way of dealing with crime in this country, it's called prosecution and conviction. Everybody is entitled to the protections of the court system, even people who apparently -- if you see what happened -- look pretty darn guilty.

That is indeed how it is supposed to work. Except for the glaring fact that George Floyd didn't get any prosecution or conviction at all -- instead, he got nothing short of a summary execution for the crime of trying to use a fake twenty-dollar bill."

 

2
   Taylor Swift chimes in

OK, she's not exactly Walter Cronkite, but she does indeed have a pretty significant following in Middle America. Swift reacted to Donald Trump's tweet today with scathing indignation (and a promise):

After stoking the fires of white supremacy and racism your entire presidency, you have the nerve to feign moral superiority before threatening violence? "When the looting starts the shooting starts"??? We will vote you out in November.

 

3
   Just stop

Let's not forget what started the war on Twitter, because it is still important.

"Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger reacted to Donald Trump fanning the flames of conspiracy theory -- by accusing Joe Scarborough of a murder he did not commit -- by begging Donald Trump to just quit it. Kinzinger tweeted: 'Completely unfounded conspiracy. Just stop. Stop spreading it, stop creating paranoia. It will destroy us.' He did not specify whether 'us' referred to all of America, or just the Republican Party, but his message to the president was pretty clear."

 

4
   Yet another Trump pandemic failure

This got lost in the shuffle this week, but it's worth pointing out.

"When the drug remdesivir was identified as a treatment for COVID-19, the maker of the drug donated 607,000 vials of the medication to the federal government. The Trump administration tried to distribute it in early May, but as with pretty much everything else they've done during the crisis, they screwed it up, big time. They sent it to the wrong hospitals, they sent it to hospitals with no ICU department, they sent it to facilities that didn't have the refrigeration it needed. So these shipments all had to be returned to the government, because the Trump White House distributed it all without even bothering to consult with the hospitals themselves. This doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that they'll be able to handle the much bigger task of distributing a vaccine, when it becomes available."

 

5
   No correction necessary

If the numbers are going to be bad, just ignore them!

"For the first time since the 1970s, the White House has announced it will not be issuing a mid-year economic projection this summer. For decades now, the White House issues a budget proposal in February and then updates it with a 'mid-session review' which has more-recent economic numbers for Congress to consider. Obviously, those numbers are not going to be politically useful for Donald Trump, if they were released in July or August as usual, so they've just decided to bury their heads in the sand and refuse to admit that anything has changed in the American economy since February. As far as the White House is concerned, if you don't like the numbers, then just pretend they don't exist."

 

6
   Say what?

Tell us what you really think of us all....

"Senior White House economic advisor Kevin Hassett was interviewed on CNN last week, and he used a rather astonishing expression. You may have seen this guy -- he's the one that always has a grin on his face when speaking of the economy, no matter how bad the news actually is -- as when he spoke of the unemployment rate rising 'north of 20 percent' a few weeks ago. This time, he was predicting that the economy would bounce right back any day now, stating: 'Our human capital stock is ready to get back to work.' Excuse me? Human capital stock?!? As many pointed out on social media, 'human capital stock' is a phrase an erudite slave-owner might have used two centuries ago. And this guy is the senior economic advisor to Donald Trump?"

 

7
   Tuna on toast

One can only hope.

"Yet another group of Republicans is launching an ad campaign to try to influence the presidential election -- by defeating Donald Trump. Joining the multiple other anti-Trump GOP groups is Republican Voters Against Trump, who just started running ads this week. The ads are comprised of statements of Republican voters on why they've either soured on Trump or never supported him in the first place. The group already has over 100 such statements, but the best one so far came from Jack Spielman, who voted for Trump last time but now calls him 'toxic.' Spielman doesn't mince words, stating boldly: 'I'd vote for a tuna fish sandwich before I'd vote for Donald Trump again.' Sounds good to me. Let me get that on toast. To go."

-- Chris Weigant

 

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302 Comments on “Friday Talking Points -- 100,000 Dead While Trump Fiddles With Twitter”

  1. [1] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    What Trump's been obsessed with instead is getting in an escalating war with Twitter. Because, obviously, Twitter is much more important to him …

    And, we shouldn't be acting like it's an obsession of ours, at least not in the current grand scheme of things.

  2. [2] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    We've been writing about the Twitter feud all week long, since it impacts the First Amendment in multiple ways.

    Hmmm ...

  3. [3] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Chris,

    Here is how Joe Biden reacted to the video showing the cops executing a black man in broad daylight:

    Thanks for writing here about this tweet and the video message. I very rarely go to Twitter. And, I was feeling a bit depressed tonight after listening to the Newshour on PBS - I tuned in late so I missed the Biden interview but was in time to hear David Brooks say that he was disappointed in what Biden had to say about what's been going on in the streets in the midst of a pandemic. Worse still, Mark Shields didn't really have anything good to say about the remarks except to say that it was the politically correct message. Politically correct!!!??? Almost made my cry. I didn't bother to watch the interview.

    But, what Biden said here is precisely the Biden I know. So, thanks very much for highlighting that for me.

    I do not feel any urge, whatsoever, to closely follow this election cycle. I just want it to be over with Biden in the White House.

  4. [4] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Wonderful choices for MIDOTW!

  5. [5] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Damn. Should have stopped reading after the first award. I was so happy to read it - big ole smile on my face and joyful tear in my eye … BOOM.

    So, as for the MDDOTW …

    You know as well as I do that Biden can tend to say some uncomfortable things.

    The truth is that Trump is no good for anyone, including and especially vulnerable communities and it really is a no brainer as to who they should vote for - who any American worth his or her own salt should vote for.

    Do you know what I mean?

    For the sake of everyone who still believes in justice, I hope and pray than Biden wins this election, hands down, without there being any doubt about it.

    Like me, I think you know his heart... even if he isn't always the most eloquent or politically correct voice. I don't know about you but I have always found that particular Bidenism, like so many others, infinitely refreshing and far from disappointing.

    Hopefully, all of the similarly shaded analyses of these remarks and of others that will surely follow won't do the kind of damage to Biden that will result in victory for Trump. With First Amendment rights taken fully into account, you might want to think twice about handing out any more of these awards to Biden for being brutally honest.

  6. [6] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    And I want my tuna fish sandwich with a side of... (get ready for it)... pie!

  7. [7] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Is the president of the United States of America seriously intending to sever the country's relationship with the WHO?

    Un-freakin'-believable. For anyone other than this president, that is, to do something this idiotic.

  8. [8] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    if you'd vote for a tuna fish sandwich, why not a chicken pot pie?

  9. [9] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    CW,

    In the same week America passed the grim milestone of 100,000 dead from the coronavirus pandemic, a black man was suffocated by a white police officer while three other cops stood by and either helped him commit this crime or did absolutely nothing to prevent it. Since then, there have been sometimes-violent protests in the streets of not only Minneapolis but in several other cities across the country. The dead man was accused of the crime of trying to use a fake $20 bill at a convenience store. The cops, acting as judge, jury, and executioner, provided him with a death sentence -- for the transgression of trying to pass a fake twenty.

    I am sorry, but you are posting false information unless you have an inside source at the Minneapolis Medical Examiners Office! The cause of death has not been determined as of Friday night, so we do NOT actually know WHAT killed George Floyd.

    Don’t get me wrong, I found that video just as horrific to watch as the rest of the world did. But people need to realize that the knee to the neck, while cruel looking, is a well documented and effective non-lethal way to force compliance from a combative subject. That is not what killed George Floyd...not directly. I am not sure why the officer chose to keep his knee on Floyd’s neck once he was handcuffed and was no longer struggling... but that is for the investigators to determine.

    How the prosecutor determined the charges without knowing the exact cause of death is a big question. I am guessing that the city has given in to just trying to calm the masses. They are not engaging the protesters and will do whatever they believe will keep the peace...wisely.

    The cops, acting as judge, jury, and executioner, provided him with a death sentence -- for the transgression of trying to pass a fake twenty

    No one knew Mr. Floyd was going to die. That was clearly not the officer’s intention when they responded to the call.

    This is the hard truth... we are not comfortable whenever the use of force is used to force compliance from those resisting arrest. Are you willing to change our laws and tell police that they are not allowed to use force when citizens refuse to obey lawful orders? That is what you seem to be wanting.

    The “transgression of trying to pass a fake twenty” was not why the officer’s used force. This is dishonest. It is giving in to spreading the popular version of the story over reporting the truth. I expected better from you.

  10. [10] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Is the knee to the head an effective measure after three long minutes of non-responsiveness?

  11. [11] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Well, it is quite obviously effective if death is the desired result.

  12. [12] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    No one knew Mr. Floyd was going to die. That was clearly not the officer’s intention when they responded to the call.

    Are you sure about that? One Michale around here is quite enough.

  13. [13] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Are you willing to change our laws and tell police that they are not allowed to use force when citizens refuse to obey lawful orders? That is what you seem to be wanting.

    Not at all.

    Are you just trying to be contrarian because that's your thing?

  14. [14] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I don't, by any stretch of the imagination, paint all police with the same brush but, it sure would be nice to hear some of them condemn this sort of action.

    And, why oh why do we never see this sort of thing happen to white guys resisting arrest. Let me guess - white guys never resist arrest. Maybe that's because the police aren't arresting the right white guys.

    I mean, pleas, Russ ...

  15. [15] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Russ,

    But people need to realize that the knee to the neck, while cruel looking, is a well documented and effective non-lethal way to force compliance from a combative subject. That is not what killed George Floyd...not directly. I am not sure why the officer chose to keep his knee on Floyd’s neck once he was handcuffed and was no longer struggling... but that is for the investigators to determine.

    You are quickly losing a great deal of credibility with me. But, you are underlining the main reason why this keeps happening.

  16. [16] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    It's not a matter of "looking cruel". I can take cruelty with the best of them.

    This is not what this is about.

  17. [17] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    The “transgression of trying to pass a fake twenty” was not why the officer’s used force. This is dishonest. It is giving in to spreading the popular version of the story over reporting the truth. I expected better from you.

    I work in retail and I consider myself pretty aware of how to detect counterfeit currency (with all props to Willen Defoe in To Live and Die in LA) but I'd like to know, first off, how the fake 20 was discovered. I think that is very important.

    But, why did the officers use force? Because the guy was resisting arrest? What was the basis for probable cause to arrest him in the first place?

    You're right. There is a lot that we don't know yet but, we aren't imbeciles, either.

  18. [18] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    No one knew Mr. Floyd was going to die. That was clearly not the officer’s intention when they responded to the call.

    Then I would suggest that the officers plead incompetence. They might even get off using that excuse.. But, at least, they wouldn't be police officers again. I'd keep a close eye on them for a while, though.

  19. [19] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Keisha Lance-Bottoms, mayor of Atlanta, should be considered in the choice for Biden's vice president.

  20. [20] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    But, Atlanta won't give her up easily.

  21. [21] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    American global leadership has now officially become a dangerous oxymoron. Which is an altogether fitting analysis considering who is the current occupant in the WH.

    America, you are circling the drain.

  22. [22] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    This is dishonest. It is giving in to spreading the popular version of the story over reporting the truth. I expected better from you.

    So, you don't want us to believe our lying eyes? I expected better from you. Where is Russ and what the hell did you do with him!

  23. [23] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Chris, a mixed bag in this week's FTP. The introduction and the two awards are well written and thought-provoking.
    However, the actual talking points were VERY disappointing. Once more, it seems you're letting Trump control the conversation. Where are the actions items that Democrats should be including in their messages?
    * No mention of another week passing with the Republican-controlled Senate NOT passing the House-approved coronavirus assistance?
    * No mention of the Postal Service being a week closer to collapse?
    * FISA legislation being 'pulled' in the House because of TRUMP's Russia witchhunt obsession (talk about 'friendly fire' LOL)?
    * The number of states with worsening statistics on COVID-19 is more than double from last week. Isn't that more important than a Democrat applauding Taylor Swift for tweeting, no matter how 'woke' it is?

  24. [24] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    As of today, the top three countries in the world (number of confirmed COVID-19 cases) are the United States, Russia, and Brazil. What do these three have in common? 'Populist' leaders whose political life is more important that the lives of their fellow countrymen.
    "One of these things is NOT like the other" - the United States is the richest, most powerful country in the world, which dedicated its vast resources and technological superiority to protect its citizens.

  25. [25] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Very good resource of state-by-state information. I don't think it's behind their paywall.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

  26. [26] 
    Michale wrote:

    So even though it was an off-the-cuff attempt at a snappy line said on a morning radio show, Joe Biden should have known better than to wade into the troubled waters of a white man declaring who is and who is not "black." And for that, even though it happened more than a week ago, Joe Biden is sadly our Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week.

    Congrats CW... I made a bet with myself.. If the Biden/Race gaffe had been ignored I would have moved on with other things to do..

    Showing me that you are, at least tenuously, grounded in reality, allows me to live on and fight another day...

    :D

  27. [27] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    No one knew Mr. Floyd was going to die. That was clearly not the officer’s intention when they responded to the call.

    Are you sure about that? One Michale around here is quite enough.

    Two different people, one with LEO experience and one with LEO experience by proxy are telling you the EXACT same thing..

    Yet, you still don't believe us..

    Russ and I are basing our assessments on FACTS and REALITY...

    Your position is based on NOTHING but emotionalism and your "truth"....

    I don't know if you ever travel to the US, but if you do ever visit one of our big cities, I suggest you take a ride-along on an inner city patrol..

    In the alternative, read a book called SIGNAL ZERO by George Kirkham...

    Both will be a small glimpse into what LEOs go thru every day they put on the uniform...

  28. [28] 
    Michale wrote:

    The facts are clear..

    George Floyd was a big man.. He was also combative and resisting arrest..

    As such, the use of force was logical and rational and SOLELY designed to safeguard the officers and the general public...

    Once the autopsy is revealed, it will be discovered Floyd had some medical issue that was the ultimate cause of death.. Just as in the Eric Garner incident..

    The cops did not wrong.. They followed standard LEO procedure...

    That's the beginning and end of this story...

  29. [29] 
    Michale wrote:

    I work in retail and I consider myself pretty aware of how to detect counterfeit currency (with all props to Willen Defoe in To Live and Die in LA) but I'd like to know, first off, how the fake 20 was discovered. I think that is very important.

    But, why did the officers use force? Because the guy was resisting arrest? What was the basis for probable cause to arrest him in the first place?

    Such questions are irrelevant to the use of force...

    Even if it turns out, the Probable Cause was not sufficient for an arrest it makes no difference..

    The *ONLY* question is, did Floyd resist a lawful arrest???

    Given all the facts and all the video evidence, yes.. Floyd resisted a lawful arrest...

    To give you an example..

    Let's say you are convicted of murder and put in jail for 30 years.. A year later, evidence is found that completely exonerates you...

    Now, do you A> go on a rampage assaulting any correction officer you can find to get back your freedom??

    Or B>Do you let the wheels of justice move and you get legally released and everything is good..

    If you do A> you are going to remain in jail with new charges..

    If you decide B> then you will truly be a free person...

    Floyd should have opted for A.. He should have let the officers arrest him and then have his day in court.. Where "fighting the law" is appropriate...

    Floyd chose to "fight the law" on the streets.. And he is dead because of it...

    Because when you fight the law in THAT manner... The law ALWAYS wins... Every damn time...

  30. [30] 
    Michale wrote:

    The “transgression of trying to pass a fake twenty” was not why the officer’s used force. This is dishonest. It is giving in to spreading the popular version of the story over reporting the truth. I expected better from you.

    See "HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT"....

    It's amazing how all of the anti-cop hate and bigotry is ALWAYS based on a lie...

    Fascinating...

  31. [31] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Is the knee to the head an effective measure after three long minutes of non-responsiveness?

    Apparently, since the officer was not attacked again...

    It is...

  32. [32] 
    Michale wrote:

    Not a single word of condemnation towards the scumbag looters and violent protests, eh???

    So, in ya'all's mind, if yer pissed, it's perfectly acceptable to tear and destroy anything..

    What's so ironically tragic is that it's BLACK lives and lively-hood that are being destroyed....

    Apparently, to those thugs and animals, black lives DON'T matter....

    Funny, eh :eyeroll:

  33. [33] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Did you not listen to the mayor of Atlanta, Michale and my comment about her?

  34. [34] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, apropos of nothing at all.. :D

    http://sjfm.us/pics/Raven.jpg

    Our newborn is thriving.. :D

  35. [35] 
    Michale wrote:

    Did you not listen to the mayor of Atlanta, Michale and my comment about her?

    Probably not.. If she is not condemning the thugs and animals that are destroying Minneapolis, then she doesn't have anything worthwhile to listen to...

    But I'll read your comment and see...

  36. [36] 
    Michale wrote:

    Has anyone noticed that the comment box has bold'ed and there is no posting cursor???

    http://sjfm.us/pics/commentbox.jpg

    That's different than from before....

  37. [37] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, you don't want us to believe our lying eyes?

    Russ's eyes are not lying.. They recognize the FACTS, free from emotional hysteria and a cop-hating agenda..

    It's actually quite refreshing to see...

    Your position is one based in emotionalism...

    Mine and Russ's positions are based on FACTS and reality...

    Minneapolis cops did their job.. Floyd is dead because he chose to fight the law..

    "He chose.... poorly"
    -Knight, INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE

  38. [38] 
    Michale wrote:

    Minneapolis, you were given the world’s stage and had the world’s ear. EVERYONE was behind you and supported the protest and fight for justice.

    • The public spoke out against those officers.
    • Police officers all over the country spoke out against those officers.
    • Elected Officials spoke out against those officers.
    • ALL races and ethnicities spoke out against those officers.
    • President Trump spoke out against those officers.

    And you wasted it.... you wasted the perfect platform and opportunity to unite everyone together and coordinate a movement that would’ve gone down in the history books as a tipping point for reform. Everyone around the world was on your side and listening...

    But you ruined it.

    None of the protesters care about Floyd.. They just wanted an excuse to destroy and pillage and loot...

  39. [39] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    To all those that have been waiting for things to return to normal from Trump in office and /or the pandemic- is it all you hoped it would be?

  40. [40] 
    Michale wrote:

    http://sjfm.us/pics/Woke.jpg

    THIS is what it is truly all about..

    Black, white, red, brown.. It doesn't matter..

    AMERICANS coming together in common cause for the common good..

    A concept that Trump/America hating bigots never understand...

  41. [41] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Great survey question on Smerconish today …

    If you were a juror, could you presume the innocence of the officer charged with murdering George Floyd? Yes or Nn

    I voted yes but, 82% voted no.

  42. [42] 
    Michale wrote:

    And there you see what the problem is..

    NO FACTS... Just Left Wing cop-hating propaganda...

    Everything the officers did was in accordance with proper LEO procedure...

    There are NO FACTS to support the claim that race was a factor..

    And 82% of morons have already convicted the officers... This is Eric Gardner, Michael Brown, Freddie Gray and Trayvon Martin all over again...

    NO FACTS to support the claim that race was a factor..

  43. [43] 
    Michale wrote:

    To all those that have been waiting for things to return to normal from Trump in office and /or the pandemic- is it all you hoped it would be?

    And then some!! :D

  44. [44] 
    Michale wrote:

    MINNESOTAPublished 13 hours ago
    Black firefighter 'devastated' after rioters destroy bar he spent life savings to build

    Minneapolis firefighter Korboi "KB" Balla says his dream was always to open a sports bar, something he almost achieved after "countless hours" working on the project.

    His initial open date in March had to be pushed back because of the coronavirus pandemic. He was ready to finally open his doors in June, but that plan came to a crashing halt when rioters destroyed his business on Wednesday.

    "I don't know what I'm going to do," a teary-eyed Balla told a CBS affiliate. The outlet reported that Balla invested his life savings into opening the bar which looters infiltrated as cameras were rolling.
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-firefighter-devastated-minneapolis-riots-bar

    Remind me again how "black lives matter"???

    I seem to have forgotten what with all the FACTS to the contrary.... :eyeroll:

  45. [45] 
    Michale wrote:

    America is going to put two Americans in orbit, launched today from Florida's Space Coast..

    Barring any delays or weather, the launch will take place at 1522hrs EDT today..

    I for one, am excited as hell and have a curb side seat... :D

  46. [46] 
    Michale wrote:

    WOW.. I did not know this..

    Elon Musk is an African American..... :D

    How awesome is that!!?? :D

  47. [47] 
    Michale wrote:

    Pentagon puts military police on alert to go to Minneapolis
    https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-puts-military-police-alert-051546322.html

    Good... It's about time to start cracking some heads....

  48. [48] 
    Michale wrote:

    DELRAY BEACH, Fla. (AP) — As unrest spread across dozens of American cities on Friday, the Pentagon took the rare step of ordering the Army to put several active-duty U.S. military police units on the ready to deploy to Minneapolis, where the police killing of George Floyd sparked the widespread protests.

    Soldiers from Fort Bragg in North Carolina and Fort Drum in New York have been ordered to be ready to deploy within four hours if called, according to three people with direct knowledge of the orders. Soldiers in Fort Carson, in Colorado, and Fort Riley in Kansas have been told to be ready within 24 hours. The people did not want their names used because they were not authorized to discuss the preparations.

    The get-ready orders were sent verbally on Friday, after President Donald Trump asked Defense Secretary Mark Esper for military options to help quell the unrest in Minneapolis after protests descended into looting and arson in some parts of the city.

    Trump made the request on a phone call from the Oval Office on Thursday night that included Esper, National Security Advisor Robert O’ Brien and several others. The president asked Esper for rapid deployment options if the Minneapolis protests continued to spiral out of control, according to one of the people, a senior Pentagon official who was on the call.

    You fight the law???

    The law wins EVERY TIME.....

    I guaran-frakin-tee it....

  49. [49] 
    Michale wrote:

    Active-duty forces are normally prohibited from acting as a domestic law enforcement agency. But the Insurrection Act offers an exception.

    The Act would allow the military to take up a policing authority it otherwise would not be allowed to do, enforcing state and federal laws, said Stephen Vladeck, a University of Texas School of Law professor who specializes in constitutional and national security law.

    The statute “is deliberately vague” when it comes to the instances in which the Insurrection Act could be used, he said. The state’s governor could ask President Donald Trump to take action or Trump could act on his own authority if he’s determined that the local authorities are so overwhelmed that they can’t adequately enforce the law, Vladeck said.

    “It is a very, very broad grant of authority for the president,” he added.

    President Trump HAS the authority... And, more importantly, the will to use it...

    ALL lives matter....

  50. [50] 
    Michale wrote:

    Minnesota Governor authorizes 'full mobilization' of state's National Guard, says protests no longer about death of George Floyd
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/minnesota-national-guard-full-mobilization-george-floyd

    Finally, the moron wises up...

    It NEVER was about George Floyd...

  51. [51] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    TP-6,7
    Just because you are promised a tuna sandwich doesn't mean you will get anything but Soylent Green from either of the two options offered.

    In our dysfunctional political system the no substitutions rule only applies to the consumer.

  52. [52] 
    Michale wrote:

    "The tactics and the approach that we have taken have evolved and need to evolve the same way, with a sensitivity to the legitimate rage and anger that came after what the world witnessed in the murder of George Floyd and was manifested in a very healthy gathering of community to memorialize that Tuesday night, which was still present to a certain degree on Wednesday. By Thursday it was nearly gone and last night is a mockery of pretending this is about George Floyd's death or inequities or historical traumas to our communities of color."
    -Minnesota Governor

    One clarification.. Floyd was not "murdered". He was killed by resisting officers who legally tried to make an arrest..

    It was his choice to fight the officers..

    He is dead because of his own bad decision..

    I am also willing to wager that there is something in the autopsy that was the actual cause of death...

    But make no mistake.. Floyd is dead because of his own bad decisions..

    Just like Michael Brown.. Just like Eric Gardner.. Just like Freddie Gray... Just like Travon Martin...

    The ONLY thing Floyd is right now is a lottery ticket for his family and an excuse to steal, pillage, loot and destroy...

  53. [53] 
    Michale wrote:

    ******BREAKING NEWS******

    71% Of Minneapolis residents have finished their christmas shopping...

    heh

  54. [54] 
    Michale wrote:

    As I suspected..

    The lottery ticket winners did not like the results of the real autopsy...

    George Floyd family enlists Dr. Michael Baden to perform second autopsy
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-floyd-family-enlists-dr-michael-baden-to-perform-second-autopsy

    So they are purchasing a different opinion...

  55. [55] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Everything the officers did was in accordance with proper LEO procedure...

    Bullshit. Show me a police manual where pressing a knee on a suspects neck for eight minutes after he was handcuffed and laying face down in the street is "proper LEO procedure".

    A lot of modern police training WORLDWIDE specifically teach not to do the knee to the neck maneuver at all.

    He is a thug cop with record of being a thug cop. Good riddance.

    “In the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear?”
    -MLK

    What has America still failed to hear for over half a century?

    Meanwhile:

    104,235 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

    Trumps incompetence has killed 1318 Americans since my last post yesterday. Keep those figures in mind when looking at the deaths due to riots...

  56. [56] 
    Michale wrote:

    As big as he is, I am betting that Floyd had a heart defect and it's that which killed him, not the restraining technique utilized by the cops..

    Of course, you can't have a FACT like that floating around..

    Kinda kills the old Cop Murdered Black Man BS eh??

    This is all going to go the way of Darren Wilso, George Zimmerman, et al....

    A bunch of BS and looting and destroying from the cop-haters and exoneration for Officer Derek Chauvin.....

    You heard it here first...

  57. [57] 
    Michale wrote:

    A lot of modern police training WORLDWIDE specifically teach not to do the knee to the neck maneuver at all.

    Facts to support??

    None?? Of course not...

    The simple fact is, Chauvin will be exonerated.. You were wrong all the other times before.. You'll be wrong again...

    Being wrong all the time is a thing with you...

    104,235 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

    And there is Blathy, happily spewing about dead Americans..

    #SickFuck

  58. [58] 
    Michale wrote:

    “In the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear?”
    -MLK

    http://sjfm.us/pics/Crime.jpg

    Of course YOU would be on the side of the scumbag criminals and looters and AGAINST Dr Martin Luther King...

    What an asshole you are....

  59. [59] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    So, you can't back up that a knee on the neck for 8 minutes is proper police procedure. Got it.

    And there is Blathy, happily spewing about dead Americans..

    And there is The Imbecile forgetting to take his meds...

  60. [60] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hell, even the Minnesota Governor acknowledges that this is nothing but a bunch of thugs using Floyd as an excuse to pillage and burn and steal and loot and destroy...

    It doesn't surprise me one bit that there are people here who support those scumbags..

    Doesn't surprise me a bit...

  61. [61] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, you can't back up that a knee on the neck for 8 minutes is proper police procedure. Got it.

    My bona fides in the field of Public Safety (LEO, military, Security, FSO) are well established over the 15+ years I have been here....

    If you have any facts that prove me wrong, but all means.. Let's see them..

    But, we both know.. EVERYONE here knows you have no facts to back up your claims..

    You never do...

  62. [62] 
    Michale wrote:

    Don't get me wrong, Blathy... I am sure you might find some out-dated SOP from some politically-correct department or SO out there.. There are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of LEO agencies out there..

    But, by and large, when you have such a large subject that is combative and resisting, a knee to the neck is a fully appropriate restraining technique..

    Don't take my word for it...

    See Russ's comment above...

    "Don’t get me wrong, I found that video just as horrific to watch as the rest of the world did. But people need to realize that the knee to the neck, while cruel looking, is a well documented and effective non-lethal way to force compliance from a combative subject."
    -Russ

    Yer wrong on this one, Blathy... As you usually are...

  63. [63] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's OK, Blathy... I won't make you say it..

    I accept your concession... :D

  64. [64] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    My bona fides in the field of Public Safety (LEO, military, Security, FSO) are well established over the 15+ years I have been here....

    Last I heard there was some serious doubt on that. Plus, if, and it's a big if, you were ever in a police academy how long ago was that? Training changes, especially when it has been found to kill.

    But, we both know.. EVERYONE here knows you have no facts to back up your claims..

    You never do...

    But hey, at least you can claim one form of cop: a cop out...

  65. [65] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    And who is this "Blathy" you are arguing with? Monsters of the Id?

  66. [66] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    i wish i knew enough to comment meaningfully on this incident. but being as i don't, i'll refer back to samuel j. woolf's interview with albert einstein:

    “If A is success in life,” he replied, “I should say the formula is A=X+Y+Z, X being work and Y being play.” “And what,” I asked, “is Z?”

    “That,” he answered, “is keeping your mouth shut.”

    JL

  67. [67] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @bashi,

    he's confusing you with balthasar

    JL

  68. [68] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Oh, I know.

    He is a self proclaimed arrogant prick. It would be disrespectful to treat him otherwise.

  69. [69] 
    Michale wrote:

    Blathy,

    Last I heard there was some serious doubt on that.

    As usual, you heard wrong... Even Russ agrees with me..

    But hey, at least you can claim one form of cop: a cop out...

    In other words, you have no facts to back up ANYTHING you say..

    Whereas, I have Russ... :D

  70. [70] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oh, I know.

    So, you were just spewing bullshit when you acted confused about it..

    Figures..

    Actually, you remind me of Blathy.. He always was full of shit as well and never had any facts to back up his claims..

    Hence, yer now Blathy... :D

  71. [71] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    he's confusing you with balthasar

    Not at all.. I am just awarding him the same moniker because he sounds so much like Blathy..

    Never a fact to be found...

  72. [72] 
    Michale wrote:

    "A lot of modern police training WORLDWIDE specifically teach not to do the knee to the neck maneuver at all."
    -Blathy

    You made a claim.. Any facts to back up that claim, Blathy???

    No??? Of course not...

    Once again... I have the facts. Blathy has his dick in his hand... :D

  73. [73] 
    Michale wrote:

    i wish i knew enough to comment meaningfully on this incident.

    Is there anything you could know differently that would allow you to condone all the destroying, stealing, looting, arson, etc etc etc???

    I mean, what could you learn about the incident that would allow you to say, "Well, all the destroying and looting and pillaging is certainly justified"

    Sincerely curious...

  74. [74] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    [12]

    Wtg, E M... You Beetlejuiced this place, again. And yes, one is more than enough, why try to out-spam the profligate bull shit artist at his own game...19 of 22 comments and more blurs to the end and a sore scrolling digit. Total sum.

    Hi Michale, last time I heard you mentioned (be assured, I wasn't tempted to dwell) it was that you'd fallen ill, I trust all is well? I had to assume it wasn't CV19, no way on earth you'd fall victim to a left-wing conspiracy to de-throne your naked monarch, methunk. The irony would have been anti-climactic. Do cling to this mortal coil until November, I'm looking forward to the barrage of nonsense you will no doubt offer as an excuse as to why Trump lost the election. I know I can count on you to omit the obvious, rampant unemployment, economic ruin, and all-round unfitness for high public office being the true nub.

    Sarky aside, glad you're well, nature abhors a vacuum, better the devil you know in times of trouble.

    LL&P

  75. [75] 
    Michale wrote:

    He is a self proclaimed arrogant prick.

    "Of course, I'm arrogant.. I've EARNED it!"
    -Q

    :D

  76. [76] 
    Michale wrote:

    Do cling to this mortal coil until November, I'm looking forward to the barrage of nonsense you will no doubt offer as an excuse as to why Trump lost the election.

    You ready to make a wager?? Put your soul where your mouth is???

    No??? Whatsamatter??? Got no scrot?? Don't actually believe what yer spewing?? :D

    If yer so sure President Trump is going to lose, why not make a wager?? :D

    "Khan... I am LAUGHING at the superior intellect.."
    Admiral James T. Kirk

  77. [77] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Is there anything you could know differently that would allow you to condone all the destroying, stealing, looting, arson, etc etc etc???

    that's a meaningless question. a better question would be whether all the public anger over this particular incident is justified. i know you tend to paint these things with broad brushes, but each of these incidents where the relationship between police and the community breaks down is really its own universe. on one end of the spectrum are emmett till or perhaps the groveland case, clear murder of an innocent with the authorities complicit or perpetrators themselves. on the other end you have someone like michael brown who attempted to assault an officer and reached for his gun.

    but it's silly to argue that ANY of these incidents somehow provide the justification for other people far away making poor decisions. when a large group of people gets very angry, some of them are bound to do something stupid - like elect donald trump president, for example ;)

  78. [78] 
    Michale wrote:

    Civil rights Atty. Leo Terrell: Dems not standing up against crime in Floyd protests because they're afraid to alienate black vote
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/leo-terrell-civil-rights-attorney-calls-for-end-to-riots-destruction

    First there is Biden and his "You ain't black" bullshit and now rioters are using Floyd as an excuse to destroy and burn and pillage and loot....

    It's funny that there are actually people in here who think that Democrats are going to win the White House and the Senate and keep the House.. :D

    It's hilarious!! :D

  79. [79] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    i think the dems will keep the house.

  80. [80] 
    Michale wrote:

    that's a meaningless question.

    Not at all.. You claim you wish you had more information so you can comment on the looting and the pillaging..

    I was just curious as to what kind of info would be needed to allow you to condone and justify said looting and pillaging...

    It's a legitimate question..

    a better question would be whether all the public anger over this particular incident is justified.

    Oh... THAT question is answered by the looters and the scumbags...

    on one end of the spectrum are emmett till or perhaps the groveland case, clear murder of an innocent with the authorities complicit or perpetrators themselves. on the other end you have someone like michael brown who attempted to assault an officer and reached for his gun.

    "For Christ sake, Sam, do you really think that's the same as two teenage marines executing a routine order that they never believed would result in harm? These guys aren't the Nazis. "
    -Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN

    Actions taken by Officer Chauvin happen a thousand times a day all across the country...

    Russ asked a very good question above... Something to the effect of "Are you advocating that Police be refrained from using ANY force to effect arrests?? Are you prepared for what happens next??"

    It's a very good question..

    What Officer Chauvin did is done a thousand times a day by cops all over the country...

    The ***ONLY*** reason it is an issue now is because the Subject was black...

    Pure, unadulterated racism on the part of those who condemn the police...

    but it's silly to argue that ANY of these incidents somehow provide the justification for other people far away making poor decisions.

    OK, so we are agreed that nothing justifies the looting and the pillaging and the burning and destroying..

    Would that be a fair assessment???

    If so, that is progress...

  81. [81] 
    Michale wrote:

    i think the dems will keep the house.

    Far enough.. Your's is at least reasonable... And I could be wrong on that...

    But given current events, it's looking less and less likely, as Democrats are being seen as the Party that supports the looters and thugs...

  82. [82] 
    Michale wrote:

    On another unrelated note...

    Anyone watch SPACE FORCE last night???

    It had it's moments, but it's not nearly as funny as I thought it would be....

  83. [83] 
    Michale wrote:

    Federal Protective Service officer killed, another injured in Oakland shooting amid George Floyd protests

    A Federal Protective Service Officer was killed and another injured Friday in a shooting at a federal building in Oakland, California amid protests and violence in the city over the death of George Floyd.

    According to the FBI's San Francisco branch, the shooting occurred at the Ronald V Dellums Federal Building when a vehicle approached the building and opened fire at the security officers.
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/federal-protective-service-officer-killed-oakland-shooting

    Remind me again that riots are perfectly acceptable, as Blathy said above??

    I seem to have forgotten, what with all the FACTS to the contrary...

  84. [84] 
    Michale wrote:

    T Minus 52 mins and counting.. :D

  85. [85] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Onion headline:

    Protestors Criticized For Looting Businesses Without Forming Private Equity Firm First

    Poignant as good satire often is...

    104,682 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

    447 since my first post this morning. Interesting that some deaths are more important than others...

  86. [86] 
    Michale wrote:

    CW,

    Anyone "tired of all the winning" yet? Just asking....

    Nope... I still love it that President Trump and patriotic Americans are winning..

    Now if we can just get rid of all the scumbag looters and thugs, America would be even BETTER off.. :D

  87. [87] 
    Michale wrote:

    T minus 9 mins and counting.... :D

  88. [88] 
    Michale wrote:

    For those not lucky enough to live in the great state of Florida... :D

    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6160557717001/

    You can watch the SpaceX launch live...

  89. [89] 
    Michale wrote:

    DOH!!! Forgot to hit submit!! :^/

    Well, THAT was exciting, witnessing America's return to space... :D

  90. [90] 
    Michale wrote:

    Welp, that time again.. It's been real and it's been fun..

    Who knows.. Maybe another cop will get killed tonight and ya'all will REALLY have something to celebrate, in addition to the number of Covid dead.....

    Ya'all could get lucky...

    Hasta lasagna...

  91. [91] 
    Kick wrote:

    CW: The group already has over 100 such statements, but the best one so far came from Jack Spielman, who voted for Trump last time but now calls him 'toxic.' Spielman doesn't mince words, stating boldly: 'I'd vote for a tuna fish sandwich before I'd vote for Donald Trump again.'

    Hey, Jack! That's my sandwich line... except ham!

    I agree with every single word you said and confess that I will vote for a ham sandwich over Donald Trump. ~ Kick

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/06/18/warren-catching-up-to-sanders/#comment-137526

  92. [92] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    I only gamble with my life, I'm saving for retirement, Michale. lol. The wager is, as it always has been, crowing rights. So you're golden either way, if Trump manages to steal another election, with a little help from his friends who fish from the Volga, you can crow. Alternately, when Trump loses, you can moan that the fix was in and live in denial, in other words, much as you do now.
    A Michale win-win...How can you resist?

    Well, well.

    Will America never learn? Sure, it's unfortunate that another Black fellow has been ground under by the jack-booted quasi-totalitarian police machine. However, the timing of the these protests couldn't be worse and the message has once again been drowned out by the messenger. Only this time, the stakes are far higher. In one fell swoop, the aggrieved have given the powers that be all the grist for their mill. If you can protest and fight with police, you can go back to work and cease social distancing. Six fucking weeks of prudent social distancing and self-imposed isolation to flatten the COVID-curve shot to shit because a few people have decided that their right to protest far outweighs everyone else's right to exist.

    How long do you think it will take Trump to use this civil unrest to his advantage? That's a trick question, the job's done, any distraction from his complete and utter failure as president plays right into his wheelhouse.

    I've said it time and time again, Trump needs no help from anyone to fail, left to his own devices he's self-annihilating. When morons like BLM get to call the shots, it gives Trump and the far-right a big bag of "I told you so's'.

    I'm starting to think America nearing the point of no redemption. November can't get here quick enough, in my opinion. Regime change has never been so urgent, and I'm saying this as someone who is totally familiar with 20th century American political protest.

    By no means is Trump to blame for dark place America finds itself, he's nothing more than a waste of a page in the annals of the American experience. Trump is the protrusion of all that needs to be fixed in America, he's the personification of greed, inequity, racism, tribalism, and self-importance that blocks the road to a more perfect union.

    "Tired of winning"...If this is winning, what the fuck does losing look like?

    LL&P

  93. [93] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    This one's for you, my friend …

    Unfortunately, I had to work today and so I missed the live lift-off. But, what a sight for sore eyes it was!

    Here is some background music for the event by PRiSM.

    This was the wake-up song on day 11 (March 6, 2011) of STS-133, the final mission for space shuttle Discovery, before a day of preparations for docking with the ISS.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSyYqD9v_wo

    Enjoy!

  94. [94] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    JTC,

    By no means is Trump to blame for dark place America finds itself, he's nothing more than a waste of a page in the annals of the American experience. Trump is the protrusion of all that needs to be fixed in America, he's the personification of greed, inequity, racism, tribalism, and self-importance that blocks the road to a more perfect union … "Tired of winning"...If this is winning, what the fuck does losing look like?

    Indeed!

  95. [95] 
    Kick wrote:

    And there you see what the problem is..

    NO FACTS... Just Left Wing cop-hating propaganda...

    Everything the officers did was in accordance with proper LEO procedure...

    The fact is, Mike has no idea whether or not "everything the officers did was in accordance with proper LEO procedure." Was Mike there? Nope. Was Mike ever a Minneapolis police officer with training in Minneapolis PD policy and procedure or even the laws of the State of Minnesota? Nope. Was Mike ever even a police officer? Nope.

    So the only thing it means when Mike insists "everything the officers did was in accordance with LEO procedure" is that Mike freely makes up shit and calls them "facts."

    Police officers are not generally fired and charged with murder if "everything" they did was in accordance with procedure. This ain't rocket science, people!

    I do not think (my opinion) that the officer "intended" to kill the man. Other than that, show me the facts. I know the four officers were fired by their employer based on eyewitness video and police bodycam evidence, and I also know that the officer who bounced his knee on the man's neck has been charged with murder. Based on those facts alone, I cannot fathom how anyone could come to the conclusion that these officers did everything according to procedure.

    I have spoken.

  96. [96] 
    Kick wrote:

    BashiBazouk
    55

    Bullshit.

    Yep.

  97. [97] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:
  98. [98] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Here is a great example of the kind of essential medical services to the most vulnerable communities on the planet that US core funding to the WHO helps make possible.

    https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-deploys-medical-teams-and-delivers-essential-supplies-to-conflict-hit-towns-in-Libya

    Of course, the president of the United States couldn't possibly care less. And, I don't hear the people of the United States protesting much about Trump's plan to sever the US-WHO relationship. So, he does what he can.

    Health workers at the WHO put their lives on the line every day and have recently sacrificed their lives to improve the health of people around the world.

  99. [99] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Liz,

    I don't, by any stretch of the imagination, paint all police with the same brush but, it sure would be nice to hear some of them condemn this sort of action.

    The problem is that what you find offensive and are uncomfortable viewing are non-lethal methods of controlling the movements of someone who has physically resisted arrest. It is not pretty, but it is generally necessary and is far better than when the police used asps and batons on anyone who resisted.

    Yes, I want to know why the officer refused to take his knee off Mr.Floyd’s neck once he was handcuffed. I definitely think he should be investigated for not checking on Floyd’s health while he was in custody. These are all things that look off based on information released so far about the incident, but there could very well be explanations that would justify the officer’s actions.

    And, why oh why do we never see this sort of thing happen to white guys resisting arrest. Let me guess - white guys never resist arrest. Maybe that's because the police aren't arresting the right white guys.

    I mean, pleas, Russ ...

    Oh, this happens to whites probably more often than blacks...but you never hear about it because no one cares when it happens to whites, Latinos, or Asians who resist arrest. It’s kinda like how the media doesn’t pay too much attention to black on black crimes... it’s only gonna catch people’s attention when you pit blacks and whites against each other! Guess what? Just because Floyd was black and the officer was white does not mean that RACE had anything to do with what occurred!

    This is why it is frustrating when CW says Floyd was killed for passing a fake $20. The police did not witness the supposed crime...they were called and requested. They contacted Floyd and questioned him. After the store owner ID’d Floyd, the officer attempted to place him under arrest...but Floyd RESISTED! That is when things got physical. This is why I asked if CW was suggesting that police should no longer take action when people resist arrest. You responded with...

    Are you just trying to be contrarian because that's your thing?

    No, I am being realistic about what happened.

    FYI, the knee on the back of the neck technique doesn’t put pressure on the larynx, windpipe, or carotid arteries. The officer doesn’t place their weight on the knee, but on the other leg in order to maintain balance. Only if the person tries to stand up would any weight be placed on the neck...but only enough to keep them from rising (if you control a person’s head, you control their movement). Placing too much weight on the neck would cause the officer to be easily unbalanced and the person could continue resisting.

    And guess how many people scream that they cannot breath when after they resist arrest and officer’s have to use force and take them to the ground in order to get handcuffs on them...just about everyone in that situation! So while it seems cruel that they didn’t rush to let Floyd up off of the ground, they hear people screaming that they cannot breathe all the time without anyone dying.

  100. [100] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Kick

    Police officers are not generally fired and charged with murder if "everything" they did was in accordance with procedure. This ain't rocket science, people!

    I do not think (my opinion) that the officer "intended" to kill the man. Other than that, show me the facts. I know the four officers were fired by their employer based on eyewitness video and police bodycam evidence, and I also know that the officer who bounced his knee on the man's neck has been charged with murder. Based on those facts alone, I cannot fathom how anyone could come to the conclusion that these officers did everything according to procedure.

    While I agree with your assessment, I would point out that their was no official investigation conducted prior to the firings. This was about the politics of this horrible tragedy; facts be damned! The officers might be guilty of not paying attention to someone in their custody that they had requested medics to respond for — but that is my two cents based on what video has been released thus far.

    I cannot help but think back to Trayvon Martin case, when the police were able to determine that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense at the scene as all of the evidence pointed to Martin being shot after he physically assaulted GZ, pinned his shoulders to the ground with his knees, and as he was bashing Zimmerman’s skull into the asphalt when Martin was killed. The local prosecutor did not charge Zimmerman that night because their was no evidence that supported charges being filed.

    I remember going to the local NBC station’s website the night the story broke nationally — that a young black child had been killed walking home from buying candy by a white wanna-be-cop neighborhood watch guy — but strangely, all I could find on their site was a story of a man being killed in self-defense after he jumped and attacked a complete stranger. Two days later and that story had been removed from their website and had been replaced with a story matching the national narrative that was a complete work of fiction!

    But because of political pressure, the State Attorney General ordered that Zimmerman be arrested and charged with Martin’s murder. Was new evidence uncovered that justified the charges — Nope! Now, don’t get me wrong....we’ve learned enough about Zimmerman to recognize that he’s about as likable as discovering you’d stepped in dogshit after walking across your newly installed white carpeted floor. But that doesn’t justify him being charged for crimes they knew he did not commit! Which brings me back to the point of this extended flash back...

    The officers were likely fired to appease the masses. The three other officers will likely get their jobs back if they appeal their termination.

  101. [101] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    The problem is that what you find offensive and are uncomfortable viewing are non-lethal methods of controlling the movements of someone who has physically resisted arrest.

    I think you're missing my point, Russ. I fully understand and am completely comfortable with non-lethal methods of controlling the movements of someone who has physically resisted arrest and I don't care much whether it's pretty.

    Right up until there is no apparent pulse on the guy resisting arrest and the non-lethal method continues for some period of time longer.

    Are you freakin' serious!?

  102. [102] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    These are all things that look off based on information released so far about the incident, but there could very well be explanations that would justify the officer’s actions.

    Which is why I voted 'Yes' in the Smerconish survey yesterday which asked "If you were a juror, could you consider [the officer arrested in the George Floyd death] was innocent until proven guilty.

    If I were a juror in this case, I would start from being completely open-minded and base my verdict on the evidence presented by both sides.

  103. [103] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Oh, this happens to whites probably more often than blacks...but you never hear about it because no one cares when it happens to whites, Latinos, or Asians who resist arrest.

    You'll have to forgive me until you provide stats on how many times police have killed a white for resisting arrest.

    And, in the meantime, I will keep an open mind on the matter.

  104. [104] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Do you seriously believe that the officer in this case was charged to placate any community? I mean, surely you believe that there was amply probable cause to arrest him. Or, maybe you don't?

  105. [105] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    It's official America, you have a condition...

    As far as I can tell from various media sources, a serious problem exists.

    No one can explain what that problem is or how the problem came about, only that it's here and is stubbornly refusing to leave.

    Is the bottom line systemic racism within law enforcement or are people of colour just breaking more laws than white people and therefore winding dead more frequently at the hands of police because of sheer numbers?

    To start:

    If you break the law, don't be surprised if you wind up being the focus of law enforcement, their job description isn't exactly hidden in their title, it is what they do and they do it because we have assigned them that task as a society. That's simple enough to follow, if you subvert the agreed-upon laws, as a society, we will send our assigned deputies to curtail your actions and hold you until you move to the judgment phase and beyond. Cool, now you've broken a law, for whatever reason of your own, and you've been identified and law enforcement is about to live up to their name and detain you for processing to inaugurate your journey within the justice system. If the police abuse you, then their journey begins much in the same way yours did, indeed, if our law enforcement breaks any of our laws while attending to your breach of our laws, they can expect the same process, that's as fair as we can make it...The law is the law for everyone and the consequences equal for all who trespass beyond, regardless of your role in society. It can't be any other way, no one can be expected to uphold the law if law enforcement is seen to be exempt from doing likewise...

    According to "Statista", in 2019 1004 people were shot and killed by police in the US, (I'm using shooting statistics as they are precise by the numbers and are easily totaled), of those, 611 were white, 393 were black or Hispanic. The last census from which we can draw data maintains that Whites constitute 61% of the US population, while Black and Hispanics make up 39%.

    Seems to me that in terms of police shootings, there is little or no disparity between population and ethnicity.

    In short, if you are Black or Hispanic your odds of being shot by police are about the same as if you were White. Police shoot more Whites in America because there are more whites to shoot. So let's cut the bullshit, I'm not saying there's no racism within the police forces of America, America is rife with racism in every aspect of society, it's like a bad habit you refuse to quit, and quite frankly I think it taints you all. It's a learned condition that can be broken if it's caught early, and I'll tell you how I know this. I've made no secret of the fact that I haven't always been this cheery, accepting individual you know and love. In my youth, I ran with a group who weren't known to embrace people colour, we were vulgar and made no apologies for it. For reasons of my own, I walked away from the scene and never looked back. One evening, a few months back, my 13-year-old son asked me about racism as they were discussing it at school and feared he'd missed the point, I broke it down for him in our familial vernacular and he said 'oh, ok I get now, I don't get people who think like that, but I get what being racist is...thanks Daddy' So because I have never displayed any racist tendencies around my kids, they have no concept of racism and were in fact surprised that such a thing existed.

    That's how you break the cycle.

    LL&P

  106. [106] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oh, this happens to whites probably more often than blacks...but you never hear about it because no one cares when it happens to whites, Latinos, or Asians who resist arrest. It’s kinda like how the media doesn’t pay too much attention to black on black crimes... it’s only gonna catch people’s attention when you pit blacks and whites against each other! Guess what? Just because Floyd was black and the officer was white does not mean that RACE had anything to do with what occurred!

    Preach it, Russ!!! Preach it!!!! :D

    I have been saying that here for over a decade...

    The officers were likely fired to appease the masses. The three other officers will likely get their jobs back if they appeal their termination.

    Exactly...

    Chauvin was fired and charged SOLELY for doing his job on a black man...

    That is the beginning and end of the issue...

  107. [107] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Right up until there is no apparent pulse on the guy resisting arrest and the non-lethal method continues for some period of time longer.

    Are you claiming that Officer Chauvin got off of Floyd, checked for a pulse, found none and then put his knee back on Floyd's neck for longer???

    Are you freaking serious!??

    Chauvin removed the knee from Floyd's neck one Floyd ceased being combative..

    As with everything else, Floyd was in complete control of the incident.. He could have stopped fighting at any time and the restraint hold would have been removed..

    Floyd chose to fight the law..

    The law won..

    It's that simple..

  108. [108] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    If I were a juror in this case, I would start from being completely open-minded and base my verdict on the evidence presented by both sides.

    And yet, you seemed convinced that the officer is guilty here...

    You'll have to forgive me until you provide stats on how many times police have killed a white for resisting arrest.

    I'll hold you to that, Liz..

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

    This only covers people actually shot by police, but it's still relevant..

    Over twice as many white people are shot and killed by police than black people...

    Do you seriously believe that the officer in this case was charged to placate any community?

    Abso-frakin'-loutly... No other explanation fits the facts...

    I mean, surely you believe that there was amply probable cause to arrest him.

    For example??

  109. [109] 
    Michale wrote:

    Iddn't it funny...

    No one talking about Covid when there is a new shiny to beat President Trump over the head with...

    The people are so easily controlled by the media... :D

  110. [110] 
    Michale wrote:

    JTC,

    Actually that was a pretty awesome post... Kudos..

    One minor nitpick.. You seem to be claiming that institutionalized racism is alive and well in America...

    Could you provide examples of this??

    There will always be racist people.. Just as there will always be hateful people and bigoted people..

    But we're talking INSTITUTIONS here... Can you point to an entire institution that is racist..

    Because from where I sit (actually BEING an American) the only institution that is a text book definition of racism is Affirmative Action...

    Can you point out any other institutions that are racist??

    I'll be around all day..

  111. [111] 
    Michale wrote:

    Sheriff: Officer’s neck slashed amid Jacksonville riot
    Mayor: ‘We’re not going to tolerate it in our city. We’re not going to let them burn our city to the ground.’

    https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/05/31/sheriff-several-officers-attacked-1-stabbed-in-neck-amid-jacksonville-protests/

    Remind me again how the Floyd rioters and protesters and looters are the good guys??

    I seem to have forgotten, what with all the FACTS that prove otherwise... :eyeroll:

  112. [112] 
    Michale wrote:

    There will always be racist people.. Just as there will always be hateful people and bigoted people..

    But we're talking INSTITUTIONS here... Can you point to an entire institution that is racist..

    Because from where I sit (actually BEING an American) the only institution that is a text book definition of racism is Affirmative Action...

    Can you point out any other institutions that are racist??

    And, as a corollary to this..

    What facts do you have that would show that the police action against Floyd was motivated by racism..

    Any facts at all???

    I'll be around.. :D

  113. [113] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Mike

    How about that they've suffocated at least two black guys recently, but no white guys???

  114. [114] 
    Michale wrote:

    OUT OF CONTROL...
    'Urban Warfare'...
    LA, Seattle, Nashville, Oklahoma City, Salt Lake City, Atlanta, Chicago, Detroit, NYC, DC...
    Philly, Miami, Vegas, Cleveland, Denver, Des Moines, Dallas, Indianapolis, Charlotte, Kansas City...
    Pittsburgh, Columbia, Wilmington, Portland, Phoenix, Tampa, San Fran, MORE...
    82nd Airborne on standby to deploy to Minnesota...
    Violence Erupts Near White House...
    National Guard Deployed...
    Secret Service clashes with crowds...
    FOXNEWS reporter: 'Scariest situation since Tahrir Square'...
    National Guard Deployed To L.A. Amid Protests, Looting...
    Officer's neck slashed amid Jacksonville riot...
    Philadelphia Police Officer Run Over...
    Cruisers Set On Fire...
    Security Officers Gunned Down in Oakland...
    Reporters hit with tear gas, rubber bullets...
    St. Patrick's Cathedral desecrated...
    Confederate monuments targeted...
    Van Jones: 'Even most well-intentioned white person has virus in brain'...
    Cornel West: USA Is Failed Social Experiment...
    White cop on 'suicide watch' after charged with murdering Floyd...
    Biden Staff Donate To Group That Pays Bail In Riot-Torn Minneapolis...
    Protests could fuel COVID-19 resurgence...
    PHOTOS...
    UPDATES...

    Today's America...

    Courtesy of the Democrat Party...

  115. [115] 
    Michale wrote:

    How about that they've suffocated at least two black guys recently, but no white guys???

    Factually not accurate.. The facts clearly show that white guys are killed by cops twice as much as black guys..

    But the simple fact of the matter is, over 99% of the Officer Involved shooting/deaths are all justified..

    Shirley you are not saying that it's racist just because the Subject was black...

    Because that would be utterly ridiculous and I *KNOW* you are smarter than that...

  116. [116] 
    Michale wrote:

    CRS,

    The simple fact is that the subjects resisted..

    You fight the law, the law wins... Every Time...

    And, let's face another fact..

    If Floyd had been white, no one would have said anything about it..

    The fact that it's a nationwide calamity proves where the racism is...

    With the Democrat Party...

  117. [117] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Mike

    But my point was, far as we've heard, regardless of how many white guys were killed, none were suffocated.

  118. [118] 
    Michale wrote:

    But my point was, far as we've heard, regardless of how many white guys were killed, none were suffocated.

    I am not sure of the relevance of the distinction..

    Is a subject any less dead by choke-hold then they are by being shot??

    Speaking as one with experience in the field, I can say with complete confidence that the **ONLY** determining factor in subduing the subject was his size and his combativeness...

    I am also constrained to point out that there were two officers of color in the 4 that were involved in the incident.. One officer was black, one officer was asian...

    How this can be painted as a "racial" incident with NO FACTS to support race was a factor.....

    Well, that just boggles the mind...

    But hay... If you have any relevant facts that show race was a factor...???

    "I am all ears"
    -Ross Perot, 1992 Presidential Debates

  119. [119] 
    Michale wrote:

    "A lot of modern police training WORLDWIDE specifically teach not to do the knee to the neck maneuver at all."
    -Blathy

    And yet.....

    How the Supreme Court enabled police to use deadly chokeholds

    When the Supreme Court turns its back on injustice, there are consequences.

    George Floyd lies on the ground, facing the back end of a police SUV, as three cops kneel on his body. One of them, Derek Chauvin, has his knee on Floyd’s neck as the helpless man begs for his life.

    “I can’t breathe, man. Please understand. Please, man.”

    It’s a sadly familiar scene, and quite like one that played out in 1976 after Los Angeles police officers pulled over Adolph Lyons for a broken taillight.

    Like Floyd, Lyons was black. The officers met him with guns drawn and ordered him to face the car, spread his legs, and place his hands on top of his head. Not long after Lyons complained that a ring of keys that he held in his hands was causing him pain, one of the officers wrapped his forearm around Lyons’s throat and began to choke him. Lyons passed out. He woke up facedown on the ground, covered in his own urine and feces. The officers released him with a citation for the broken taillight.

    Lyons brought a federal lawsuit against the city and officers who assaulted him. But that case, City of Los Angeles v. Lyons (1983), did not end well for him. Decades later, the 5-4 decision still stands as one of the greatest obstacles to civil rights lawyers challenging police brutality in cases like George Floyd’s.

    Lyons was a case about whether courts can prevent police violence before it happens
    Adolph Lyons was not the only man choked by a Los Angeles police officer. Between 1975 and 1980, LAPD officers used chokeholds on at least 975 occasions.

    As Justice Thurgood Marshall wrote in his dissenting opinion, “the city instructs its officers that use of a chokehold does not constitute deadly force.” Nevertheless, “no less than 16 persons have died following the use of a chokehold by an LAPD police officer,” 12 of whom were black men.
    https://www.vox.com/2020/5/30/21274697/supreme-court-police-chokehold-george-floyd-derek-chauvin-lyons-los-angeles

    So... What we have learned is that a choke-hold is a legitimate restraint technique upheld by the SCOTUS and that at least 4 non-black people died in a police choke-hold incident..

    Two arguments show down with one fact... :D

    Gods, I'm good!!! :D

  120. [120] 
    Michale wrote:

    Two arguments show down with one fact... :D

    Grrrrrr

    Two arguments SHOT down with one fact... :D

    My kingdom for an edit function!! :D

  121. [121] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    See, you're not that good.

  122. [122] 
    John M wrote:

    [9] ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    "This is the hard truth... we are not comfortable whenever the use of force is used to force compliance from those resisting arrest. Are you willing to change our laws and tell police that they are not allowed to use force when citizens refuse to obey lawful orders? That is what you seem to be wanting."

    Where is the PROOF he was resisting arrest at all??? We have multiple videos showing:

    1) Mr. Floyd slumping gently down to the ground in a sitting position under an officer's control.

    2) Mr. Floyd being hauled out of the back of a patrol car before laying on the street with a knee on his neck.

    3) The officer with a knee on Mr. Floyd's neck doing so casually with his hands in his pocket. Not something you would do if someone was physically resisting, would you????

    4) An eyewitness statement by the store owner where the alleged passing of the fake twenty took place saying HE saw no resistance on Mr. Floyd's part.

    Again, where is the EVIDENCE of either RESISTANCE or NON COMPLIANCE at any point???

  123. [123] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Michale- [119]

    When the Supreme Court turns its back on injustice, there are consequences.

    The sub-headline to the article you posted...

    Decades later, the 5-4 decision still stands as one of the greatest obstacles to civil rights lawyers challenging police brutality in cases like George Floyd’s.

    Also from the article you posted.

    Consider the case of Eric Garner, who was killed by a New York police officer’s chokehold in 2014. Although the NYPD had a formal policy barring chokeholds, it was frequently unenforced. The city’s Civilian Complaint Review Board received 219 chokehold complaints against NYPD officers in just one year.

    Even the NYPD bars choke holds, not that bad cops comply. On the other hand, it does help prove my point...

    When the cherry picks are filled in with the rest of the article a different picture emerges. You are good at something, but reading does not seem to be one of them.

    105,219 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

  124. [124] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    So, 16 people, 12 black and 4 white, have died in LA police custody presumably in the process of resisting arrest, with or without probable cause.

    I'd like to know how many cases like that there are across the United States in the last couple of decades. If you have that information, I'd be happy to look at it.

    But, without knowing the details of those 12 cases in LA, I'd say that there are altogether too many cases of people dying at the hands of police while in prone positions whether they be black or white.

    How is it possible that four police officers require death before they have the situation of resisting arrest under control? In the case of George Floyd, the subject was handcuffed and on his stomach. Why did the officers not just put him in a police car and drive him off to the precinct?

    As a juror, these are the kinds of questions I would be open to hearing about.

  125. [125] 
    John M wrote:

    [28] Michale wrote:

    "George Floyd was a big man.. He was also combative and resisting arrest.."

    If you tell this lie often enough, maybe someone other than yourself and Russ will believe it. Again I refer you to above... What resistance??? What non compliance??? SHOW ME.

  126. [126] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's really quite simple people..

    The prevailing opinion here in Weigantia is that the Floyd arrest and subsequent death was based on race...

    All I am asking for are FACTS that show this to be factually accurate...

    Are there any such facts???

  127. [127] 
    Michale wrote:

    If you tell this lie often enough, maybe someone other than yourself and Russ will believe it. Again I refer you to above... What resistance??? What non compliance??? SHOW ME.

    It's in the video... I can't force you to see what you plainly want to ignore..

    Don't take my word for it.. Russ saw the same thing..

  128. [128] 
    Michale wrote:

    Blathy,

    The sub-headline to the article you posted...

    Yea, I posted it.. Thank you for your redundancy... :eyeroll:

  129. [129] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    The Imbecile,

    Still replying to your imaginary friend?

  130. [130] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    So, 16 people, 12 black and 4 white, have died in LA police custody presumably in the process of resisting arrest, with or without probable cause.

    I am sure a lot more than that have.. But CRS wanted facts to show that white people also have died..

    As I am wont to do, I provided such facts..

    I'd like to know how many cases like that there are across the United States in the last couple of decades. If you have that information, I'd be happy to look at it.

    I posted that above... As with JM... I can only give you the facts.. It's up to you to see them..

    But, without knowing the details of those 12 cases in LA, I'd say that there are altogether too many cases of people dying at the hands of police while in prone positions whether they be black or white.

    And what experience, training and/or expertise leads you to that unfounded and fact less conclusion??

    As with ALL arrests, there is one common factor.. ALL the Subjects made a conscious decision to A> break the law and B> fight/resist arrest..

    Police cannot be held responsible for the actions of the Subjects...

    How is it possible that four police officers require death before they have the situation of resisting arrest under control? In the case of George Floyd, the subject was handcuffed and on his stomach. Why did the officers not just put him in a police car and drive him off to the precinct?

    How is any of that relevant.. Perhaps the crowd was too unruly for the officers to safely transport the Subject.. It was a crime scene so officers, by SOP and the law, must secure the crime scene...

    There are a plethora of possibilities.. None of which has any bearing on the Subject's death...

    Police on scene followed proper procedure.. This is fact..

    The decision to fire the officers and prosecute one of them was ***SOLELY*** a political decision and had no bearing on guilt or innocence...

  131. [131] 
    Michale wrote:

    Blathy,

    Still replying to your imaginary friend?

    Still hanging on my every word.. :D

    PWNED :D

  132. [132] 
    John M wrote:

    [32] Michale wrote:

    "Not a single word of condemnation towards the scumbag looters and violent protests, eh???"

    What about the black woman, an EMT, Breonna Taylor, killed in her own bed in Louisville, Kentucky, by police? They were supposedly executing a no knock search warrant looking for a drug suspect. Which means they can forcefully enter your house or apartment without either announcing themselves as police officers or knocking on your door.

    Except that:

    1) Her boyfriend thought the police were home invaders

    2) The man they were looking for had ALREADY been arrested EARLIER in the day

    3) The man they were looking for live in a different apartment building

  133. [133] 
    Michale wrote:

    You make a good Blathy, Blathy..

    Although you're much more retarded and moronic..

    And, crowing happily about Dead Americans makes you a much bigger scumbag than Balthasar ever was...

  134. [134] 
    Michale wrote:

    What about the black woman, an EMT, Breonna Taylor, killed in her own bed in Louisville, Kentucky, by police?

    I thought we were talking about Floyd.. OK I accept your concession on the Floyd issue

    Let's move on to this Taylor subject..

    Do you have any facts that show this incident was based on race???

    ANY facts at all??

    No, of course you don't.. You never do...

  135. [135] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Yawn.

    Petty insults, the refuge of the weak mind...

  136. [136] 
    Michale wrote:

    Re: Breonna Taylor

    Police claim they announced themselves before using some type of battering ram to force their way in, but witnesses say the police did not identify themselves as police officers. Taylor’s boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, says he believed they were being robbed and fired a gun at police, striking one officer in the leg. Police responded with a hail of gunfire. The police shot Taylor, who was unarmed, at least eight times, killing her. They then arrested and charged Walker with attempted murder of a police officer.

    As with the Tamir Rice shooting, it was a tragedy.. But the cops followed proper police SOP by returning fire when they were fired upon..

    So, I would call this a "good shoot" even though mistakes were made..

    I still don't see ANY indication that race was a factor here..

    Do you have ANY facts that indicate it was???

    ANY facts at all???

  137. [137] 
    Michale wrote:

    Petty insults, the refuge of the weak mind...

    Yep.. Petty insults is all you have..

    Still waiting for your FACTS to show:

    "A lot of modern police training WORLDWIDE specifically teach not to do the knee to the neck maneuver at all."
    -Blathy

    Have any facts to support that claim??

    No??? Of course you don't..

    Spewing bullshit is the sign of a retarded mind..

    As usual, I have the facts...

    You have the bullshit...

  138. [138] 
    Michale wrote:

    And Blathy is STILL hanging on my every word.. :D

    PWNED

  139. [139] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    You already proved it in the article you posted...

  140. [140] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    Waiting for your facts that show the Taylor shooting was based on race...

    Still waiting for your facts to show that the cops committed a crime...

    You never have ANYTHING to support your claims..

    WHY is that???

  141. [141] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    No, you are afraid of arguing with me and by using petty insults you hope I will go away.

  142. [142] 
    John M wrote:

    [46] Michale wrote:

    "WOW.. I did not know this..

    Elon Musk is an African American..... :D

    How awesome is that!!?? :D"

    Really? I have known for a long time Elon Musk was from South Africa. Which, by the way, still does NOT make him African American. Anymore than I would be Chinese American if I had simply been born in China to missionary parents. I still would have been of Italian/English extraction. Just like Elon Musk's parents are of Canadian and British extraction and Elon himself only happened to be born in South Africa.

    If you knew anything about South African culture and history, you would know that white South Africans never though of themselves as "African" but rather as "British" or "Dutch" (Afrikaner)

  143. [143] 
    Michale wrote:

    You already proved it in the article you posted...

    Nope..

    You stated: "A lot of modern police training WORLDWIDE specifically teach not to do the knee to the neck maneuver at all."

    So, where are your facts to support your bullshit claim..

    As usual, you never have them.. Yer too retarded to EVER have any facts...

    Now go have your mommy wipe the dribble from your chin...

  144. [144] 
    Michale wrote:

    Really? I have known for a long time Elon Musk was from South Africa. Which, by the way, still does NOT make him African American.

    In a non-political correct world, it does..

    There are many irish Americans... And many german Americans...

    Charlize Theron, Elon Musk and Theresa Heinz...

    They are all african Americans..

    These are the facts... Yunno.. FACTS..

    Something you never have...

    So, let's talk about Breonna Taylor... You have any facts on that???

  145. [145] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Ahh, the petty insults...

    Yawn.

  146. [146] 
    Michale wrote:

    As far as the police actions go, don't take my word for it..

    Russ and I very rarely agree on ANYTHING..

    And yet, when it comes to the recently discussed police actions, Russ and I are on the exact same page..

    So, you don't have to take my word for anything...

    Simply listen to one of your own...

  147. [147] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ahh, the petty insults...

    Yawn.

    Ahhh the hanging on my every word...

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Still waiting for facts.. All you seem to have is petty insults...

    Where are your relevant facts, Blathy???

    {{{ccchhhiiirrrrpppppp}}}{{{ccchhhiiirrrppp}}}

    Yea... Figures...

  148. [148] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ladies and gentlemen...

    US cities face toll of violent protests that have left 3 dead, dozens injured, stores burned
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/rioting-across-the-nation-leaves-cities-reeling-as-hundreds-arrested-national-guard-called-in-businesses-damaged-and-at-least-one-dead

    I give you today's Democrat Party... :^/

  149. [149] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    You already provided them.

    Try reading what you post sometime...

  150. [150] 
    Michale wrote:

    Former Vice President Joe Biden called the protests in response to the death of George Floyd “utterly American,” but condemned the “needless destruction” and violence that broke out across the country on Saturday night.

    Apparently, the rioting and the looting and the killing is what Joe Biden calls "utterly American"..

    So THAT's the America that Joe Biden will create if he is elected President.. :^/

    Thank the gods that Joe Biden doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning...

  151. [151] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Apparently, the rioting and the looting and the killing is what Joe Biden calls "utterly American"..

    Apparently your reading skills are subpar...

  152. [152] 
    Michale wrote:

    You already provided them.

    Try reading what you post sometime...

    Still hanging on my every word..

    You said "A lot of modern police training WORLDWIDE specifically teach not to do the knee to the neck maneuver at all."

    No where did I say ANYTHING about a knee to the neck..

    Still waiting for you to provide FACTS to support your bullshit...

    Do you have any facts???

    No.. Of course you don't...

    As usual, facts rule and Blathy drools... :D

  153. [153] 
    Michale wrote:

    NYPD officer rams into crowd of George Floyd protesters in Brooklyn
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/30/nypd-officer-plows-into-crowd-of-george-floyd-protesters-in-brooklyn/

    Well, that's a good start.... :D

  154. [154] 
    Michale wrote:

    I mean, if those protesters had just gotten out of the way and not created an attempt to surround that vehicle, we would not be talking about this situation...

    Once again, the fault is at the feet of the protesters, looters, thugs and scumbags....

  155. [155] 
    John M wrote:

    [49] Michale wrote:

    "Active-duty forces are normally prohibited from acting as a domestic law enforcement agency. But the Insurrection Act offers an exception."

    What you FAIL to mention is:

    Changes to Section 1076, titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies", passed in 2006 under George Bush:

    Were, in 2008, repealed in their entirety, reverting to the previous wording of the Insurrection Act of 1807.

    The President can act only if: 1) State and local governments first fail to do so, and only in accordance with: 2) the U.S. Constitution and 3) an Act of Congress.

  156. [156] 
    Michale wrote:

    The President can act only if: 1) State and local governments first fail to do so, and only in accordance with: 2) the U.S. Constitution and 3) an Act of Congress.

    And it's clear that the State and Local governments HAVE failed...

    President Trump doesn't need an Act Of Congress to issue an Executive Order...

    Thank you Barack Odumbo

  157. [157] 
    John M wrote:

    [107] Michale wrote:

    "Chauvin removed the knee from Floyd's neck one Floyd ceased being combative.."

    FACTUALLY NOT TRUE

    "As with everything else, Floyd was in complete control of the incident.. He could have stopped fighting at any time and the restraint hold would have been removed.."

    FACTUALLY NOT TRUE

    I can't make you acknowledge REALITY even when we watch the same video.

    1) The officer's knee was on Floyd's neck for 8 minutes. While Floyd was HANDCUFFED, laying PRONE, on his stomach, NOT MOVING. Where is the COMBAT??? Where is the FIGHT?? The officer had his hands in his POCKET, in a very CASUAL way, looking into the CAMERA, his focus not DOWN on Floyd at all.

    2) This continued for 3 minutes, AFTER it was determined by ANOTHER officer present that Floyd had NO PULSE.

  158. [158] 
    Michale wrote:

    Reminds me of the time ya'all declared President Trump can't impose travel restrictions and can't use military money for the wall..

    Ya'all were wrong then too.... :D

  159. [159] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    I don't really care about your "truth"..

    The facts are clear on what happened...

    What the officer did was fully justified..

    Don't take my word for it..

    Read Russ's posts on the subject...

    Funny how you don't argue with him, yet he and I are BOTH saying the exact same thing..

    Once again, you have your "truth"...

    And I (and Russ) have the FACTS....

  160. [160] 
    Michale wrote:

    I can tell ya'all EXACTLY how this is going to play out..

    Officer Chauvin is going to go thru the same ring-a-ma-lore that Darren Wilson, Officer Pantaleono, George Zimmerman and the Baltimore 6 went thru....

    And in the end, Chauvin will not be charged by the Grand Jury (as what happened with Darren Wilson) or will be put throw a show trial... A kangaroo court and be acquitted, as George Zimmerman was....

    And then the next shiny will come along and Dumbocrats and Trump/America haters will start the process all over again...

    THAT is what is going to happen here...

  161. [161] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    I thought you wanted to talk about Breonna Taylor, eh??

    I bet you were dumbfounded and your jaw dropped to the floor when you realized that the cops were just returning fire from when Taylor's baby daddy open fired on the cops, eh???

    Definitely not a good case for you to try and hang your hate on.... er.. I mean HAT on... eh???

  162. [162] 
    Michale wrote:

    Let's approach this from a different angle...

    In ya'all's minds, is it possible that a police officer can shoot and/or kill a black person and it be completely and utterly justified???

    Is that possible???

    If it is possible, what would such an incident look like???

  163. [163] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump announces US to designate Antifa as terrorist organization following violent protests
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-announces-u-s-to-designate-antifa-as-terrorist-organization-following-violent-protests

    Once again, another good first step....

  164. [164] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @russ,

    being somewhat ignorant of police procedure, i can't speak to what was or was not appropriate in the floyd case. however, i don't think it's relevant to bring up the trayvon martin incident by way of comparison. a lot more is now public about that case, and the verdict was delivered for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with whether or not zimmerman's actions were correct or justified. see below:

    https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/14/us/zimmerman-why-this-verdict/

    @m,

    i already know your take on it, but i'd really like to get russ to respond directly, so i'd very much appreciate if you hold off on my question until i can get russ's perspective.

    JL

  165. [165] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Joshua,

    If I haven't said it before, I really appreciate your presence here. In fact, you are my reason for being here.

    And, I'm going to try very hard to emulate your example.

  166. [166] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    but if you're desperate for red meat, i'd be happy to hear your blow-by-blow interpretation of the events in the floyd video. it seems liz's objection is to the amount of time the suspect is being held down in the same position, without the officers checking on his condition. obviously there is a VASTLY different standard of proof for firing someone from a job and taking away their liberty, so i can see both sides at least so far. but as i said, i'm an ignorant layperson in this, so i don't speak from any authority on the matter. and even if i could...

    It doesn't matter what I believe, it only matters what I can prove.
    Lt. Kaffee

  167. [167] 
    Michale wrote:

    i already know your take on it, but i'd really like to get russ to respond directly, so i'd very much appreciate if you hold off on my question until i can get russ's perspective.

    No problemo.. I'll be happy to wait til Russ gives it a shot... :D

  168. [168] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    wow liz, thanks!

  169. [169] 
    Michale wrote:

    but if you're desperate for red meat, i'd be happy to hear your blow-by-blow interpretation of the events in the floyd video.

    Really the only part that is relevant is were Chauvin's actions appropriate given the circumstances..

    Civilians who pass judgement ALWAYS have the luxury of 20/20 hindsight AND the luxury of ignorance...

    It's the cop on the scene's thoughts that are the ONLY relevant information..

    Given that, I see nothing on the video that was untoward, malicious or outright wrong.. There are points where I might have done something different but, as I said, I have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight...

    There is nothing in the way of facts to support ANY claim that race was a factor in ANYTHING....

    Take away the race issue and no one here would have cared one whit about George Floyd or Derek Chauvin..

    Beyond my decades of public safety experience and training, it is this very fact why I cannot get excited about Officer Chauvin's actions..

    Because I know for a fact that all the righteous indignation and anger is based on a lie..

    Just like the indignation and anger on behalf of Michael Brown was all based on the HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT lie...

    99.9% of these issues are nothing but a political agenda at work... Nothing more...

    "So, the little girl was screaming.. She thought she was going to die so she started screaming. She saw your arm and so she screamed some more.. Big deal.."
    -Dr Rudy Wells, THE SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN

    That's the way it has been with the Left Wing the last 6 years or so...

    They scream about this and scream about that and then something else happens they don't like so they scream some more...

    It's all meaningless white noise..

  170. [170] 
    Michale wrote:

    It doesn't matter what I believe, it only matters what I can prove.
    Lt. Kaffee

    Exactly..

    And I want someone to PROVE that this incident (or ANY similar incident) was about race...

    PROVE with facts, not with ideology or a political agenda...

  171. [171] 
    Michale wrote:

    Now morons are rallying around the #DefundPolice hash tag....

    That says all ya need to know about the legitimacy of these morons...

  172. [172] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [77]

    [W]hen a large group of people gets very angry, some of them are bound to do something stupid - like elect donald trump president, for example ;)

    I couldn't have said it better.

  173. [173] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [74]

    Do cling to this mortal coil until November, I'm looking forward to the barrage of nonsense you will no doubt offer as an excuse as to why Trump lost the election. I know I can count on you to omit the obvious, rampant unemployment, economic ruin, and all-round unfitness for high public office being the true nub.

    I'm certain that Michale will live down to these expectations.

  174. [174] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [90]

    Who knows.. Maybe another cop will get killed tonight and ya'all will REALLY have something to celebrate, in addition to the number of Covid dead.....

    Ya'all could get lucky...

    Who SPECICALLY in this comments section and all of America is cheering for more cop/covid deaths? Putting words like these in people's mouths makes you the #SickFuck.

    BTW how come you aren't bagging on Obama's imaginary incompetence for the 12,000 swine flu deaths we suffered? Could it be because Cheetogod's death count will soon top ten times that number?

  175. [175] 
    Michale wrote:

    Who SPECICALLY in this comments section and all of America is cheering for more cop/covid deaths?

    Blathy gleefully does a death count by the day..

    Oft times by the hour...

    BTW how come you aren't bagging on Obama's imaginary incompetence for the 12,000 swine flu deaths we suffered? Could it be because Cheetogod's death count will soon top ten times that number?

    So, now that the death count exceeds Odumbo's NOW all of the sudden it becomes relevant to you??

    Thank you for proving my point so perfectly...

    Ya'all were screaming about anything and everything before the pandemic... Now you are simply screaming some more...

    All pathetically predicted..

    I'm certain that Michale will live down to these expectations.

    Except for the FACT that everyone here predicted Hillary would win the election..

    Not only was I factually accurate and ***EVERYONE*** else was wrong, I even predicted the exact EC count..

    So, if ya want to look at who is living down things.. :D

    But hay... You want to make a wager on November??? I'll be happy to take your dignity away, just like I am taking JM's... :D

  176. [176] 
    Michale wrote:

    Big-city Dems who had imposed strict lockdowns now let George Floyd rioters flout rules
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/george-floyd-unrest-big-city-mayors-coronavirus-lockdowns

    Dumbocrat hypocrisy at it's finest....

  177. [177] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Trump is the protrusion of all that needs to be fixed in America, he's the personification of greed, inequity, racism, tribalism, and self-importance that blocks the road to a more perfect union.

    Excellent little summary of Trump's unfitness for office. The failure of Trumpanzees to see Trump for who he is the real Trump Derangement Syndrome.

  178. [178] 
    Michale wrote:

    The coronavirus lockdown is seemingly down and out, as many Democrats in charge of big cities -- including several who once insisted on strict quarantine measures -- line up to champion the nationwide mass demonstrations over the in-custody death of George Floyd, sans social distancing.

    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo lashed out at protesters calling to reopen the state earlier this month, saying at a news conference, "you have no right to jeopardize my health ... and my children's health and your children's health." Cuomo's directives have been enforced throughout the state: A New York City tanning salon owner told Fox News he was fined $1,000 for reopening briefly last week, calling the situation "insane" and saying he already was "broke."

    On Friday, though, Cuomo said he "stands" with those defying stay-at-home orders: "Nobody is sanctioning the arson, and the thuggery and the burglaries, but the protesters and the anger and the fear and the frustration? Yes. Yes, and the demand is for justice."

    Typical hypocrisy from the Dumbocrats...

  179. [179] 
    Michale wrote:

    Excellent little summary of Trump's unfitness for office. The failure of Trumpanzees to see Trump for who he is the real Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    And yet, ***EVERY*** prediction ya'all have made about President Trump has been WRONG... WRONG.... WRONG...

    I mean, shit.. The odds are that ya'all would get SOMETHING right once in a while..

    But ya'all are **ALWAYS** wrong..

    And ya know why?? Because ya'all think with your bigoted hatred... Because ya'all are hysterically emotional..

    THAT is why ya'all are always wrong..

    ALWAYS... :D

  180. [180] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Also from [90]

    Tired of winning"...If this is winning, what the fuck does losing look like?

    I couldn't say it better!

  181. [181] 
    Michale wrote:

    Four officers have been charged in the Floyd case, and one has been arrested. A video showed the arrested officer kneeling on Floyd for several minutes as he screamed that he could not breathe, although an initial medical examiner's report found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation" -- and cited Floyd's "underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease," as well as the "potential intoxicants" in his system.

    Who could have POSSIBLY predicted this!!???

    Oh.... Wait... :D

    Gods, it's tough being factually accurate all the time...

  182. [182] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, the Subject had heart problems and was drunk or high...

    The actions of Officer Chauvin had NO IMPACT on the Subject's death....

    Once again, I called it 1000% dead on balls accurate...

  183. [183] 
    Michale wrote:

    Tired of winning"...If this is winning, what the fuck does losing look like?

    What does losing look like??

    Ya'all every day of the week and twice on Sunday..

    THAT is what losing looks like.. :D

  184. [184] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Liz,

    Sorry, I had hoped to be able to be on here sooner b/c I knew yesterday’s posts were gonna cause more reactions and questions than my posts normally do, but I could not get free until just now.

    I promise I will try to get to your and everyone else’s questions...and I need to rephrase a few things I posted for the sake of clarity, I think. Thanks for being patient.

    Russ

  185. [185] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    How long do I have to give Russ before I chime in???

    :D

  186. [186] 
    Michale wrote:

    ...and I need to rephrase a few things I posted for the sake of clarity,

    TRANSLATION:
    I got caught agreeing with Michale and that simply cannot be allowed to stand!!

    :D

    hehehehehehehehe

  187. [187] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    How long do I have to give Russ before I chime in???

    :D

    Never mind.. :D

  188. [188] 
    Michale wrote:

    Let's see that one again cuz it's so damn fun.. :D

    "As big as he is, I am betting that Floyd had a heart defect and it's that which killed him, not the restraining technique utilized by the cops.."
    -Michale, Saturday, May 30th, 2020 at 09:34 UTC

    an initial medical examiner's report found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation" -- and cited Floyd's "underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease," as well as the "potential intoxicants" in his system.
    News Report, Sunday, May 31st, 2020 at 12:37 UTC

    Am I good or what!!??? :D

  189. [189] 
    Michale wrote:

    ""Tired of winning"...If this is winning, what the fuck does losing look like?"
    -'Nuck

    Ya'all (NEN) take a look in the mirror.. :D

    THAT is what losing looks like.. :D

    hehehehehehe That's just the funniest thing!!! :D

  190. [190] 
    Michale wrote:

    an initial medical examiner's report found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation" -- and cited Floyd's "underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease," as well as the "potential intoxicants" in his system.

    Floyd had heart problems and was either drunk or high...

    WWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH

    That is the air rushing out of the criminal case against Officer Cauvin..... And the case for firing the 4 officers..

    :D

    It's what happens when city (so-called) leaders let mob rule make the decisions...

    Those 4 officers are going to become very rich officers...

  191. [191] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oh.. For those who wanted stats???

    In 2019, 41 unarmed people were shot and killed by police in the US...

    19 of those people were white..

    How come I didn't hear a PEEP out of ya'all when those 19 were killed???

    I guess, in ya'all's book, their lives don't matter..

    :eyeroll:

  192. [192] 
    Michale wrote:

    Wow... It sure got quiet in here all of the sudden.. :D

    What??? I guess finding out that Floyd had heart problems (AS I PREDICTED) and was high or drunk and it was THAT which caused his death....

    I guess that took the wind out of ya'all's sails, eh??? :D

    When are you people going to learn.. When it comes to LEO issues, I *DO* know what I am talking about...

  193. [193] 
    Michale wrote:

    "WE LITERALLY STAYED IN OUR HOUSES FOR A MONTH BECAUSE OF FEAR OF A VIRUS WITH A 99.74% SURVIVAL RATE AND NOW ARE SUPPOSED TO IGNORE NATIONAL COP-KILLING RIOTS?!!

    SERIOUS question, as re these riots - where are all these Governors that gave daily three hour press conferences about whether you could walk down the beach or visit your dying relatives? Is the COVID-19 crisis over?"
    -Kentucky State Political Science Professor Wilfred Reilly

    Ya gotta admit..

    When Dumbocrats really frak up, they don't mess around!!! :D

    "You must social distance!! You must stay at home!!!"
    -Dumbocrats

    "Ya'all get out there and protest this racial killing of a drunk/high obese black man!!!"
    -Dumbocrats the next day

    Hell, not even *I* could have realized how utterly STOOPID and MORONIC the Democrat Party is....

    And THAT says something....

  194. [194] 
    Michale wrote:

    Scattered efforts by the Democrats to condemn some of the protesters have relied on inaccurate information. For example, Frey said Saturday that officials thought "white supremacists" and "out-of-state instigators" could be behind the protests in the wake of Floyd's death, and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz also claimed most of the protesters arrested were from outside Minneapolis and sought to take advantage of the chaos.

    "We are now confronting white supremacists, members of organized crime, out of state instigators, and possibly even foreign actors to destroy and destabilize our city and our region," Frey had tweeted Saturday.

    However, a report by KARE 11 showed "about 86 percent" of the 36 arrests listed their address in Minnesota, and that they live in Minneapolis or the metro area, according to data the outlet analyzed from the Hennepin County Jail's roster. Five out-of-state cases came from Arkansas, Florida, Illinois, Michigan and Missouri.

    St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter (DEMOCRAT) later admitted he was wrong when he falsely claimed that "every person" arrested in Minneapolis protests was from out of state.

    On Sunday, White House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien disputed reports that far-right and white supremacist groups were involved in stoking the violence.

    "I haven't seen reports of far-right groups," O'Brien said in an interview Sunday morning on CNN's "State of the Union." "This is being driven by Antifa." Later Sunday, Trump announced he would designate Antifa a terrorist organization.

    "It’s ANTIFA and the Radical Left. Don’t lay the blame on others!" Trump had tweeted Saturday.

    Democrats lamely try and blame the Right Wing and unceremoniously fall flat on their faces.. :D

    This day just keeps getting better and better!!! :D

  195. [195] 
    Michale wrote:

    Federal Protective Service officer killed in Oakland shooting during George Floyd protest identified
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/federal-law-enforcement-officer-killed-in-oakland-protest-identified

    This cop was black...

    Apparently, HIS life didn't matter to Democrat scumbag looters, thugs and murderers....

  196. [196] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Who SPECICALLY in this comments section and all of America is cheering for more cop/covid deaths?


    Blathy gleefully does a death count by the day..

    Oft times by the hour...

    The only glee over the stats is shoving your "What about Obama - 12,000 died" excuse for Cheetogod down your throat.

    BTW how come you aren't bagging on Obama's imaginary incompetence for the 12,000 swine flu deaths we suffered? Could it be because Cheetogod's death count will soon top ten times that number?

    So, now that the death count exceeds Odumbo's NOW all of the sudden it becomes relevant to you??

    What happened under Obama was relevant to YOU alone. YOU brought it up to distract from Trump's incompetence. No one cares about Obama because Trump has been President for over 3 years now. How is it that Obama was responsible for 12,000 deaths but Trump is NOT responsible for 100,000+ deaths?

    Next you know you Repugs will be campaigning against Jimmy Carter again.

  197. [197] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Russ, I'm nothing if not patient. Heh.

  198. [198] 
    Michale wrote:

    No More Money for the Police

    Redirect it to emergency response programs that don’t kill black people.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/opinion/george-floyd-police-funding.html?smid=tw-share

    The complete and utter STOOPIDTY of Democrats....

    THIS is ya'all's Party.... Hope yer proud... :eyeroll:

  199. [199] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    The only glee over the stats is shoving your "What about Obama - 12,000 died" excuse for Cheetogod down your throat.

    So, you concede that Blathy is gleefully posting the death count..

    I accept your concession...

    Care to address the other issues?? Like the fact that your Dumbocrats want to de-fund the police..

    Like the fact that thousands more white people are killed by police than black people and you totally ignore those deaths thereby proving it's YOU who is the racist..

    Like the fact that Floyd had heart problems and was drunk and/or high and it was THAT that killed him, not the restraint by Officer Chauvin..

    Like the fact that YA'ALL (NEN) lose every day of the week and twice on Sunday...

    Like the fact that you don't believe it yourself when you claim President Trump is going to lose in Nov..

    Care to address these facts??

    No??? Of course not..

    BBBBWWWWAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKK

    :D

  200. [200] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    105,505 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

    And you still won't acknowledge Trump's complete incompetence dealing with coronavirus...

  201. [201] 
    Michale wrote:

    And gleeful Blathy gives us the hourly death count...

    Just look at how happy Blathy is about dead Americans..

    Still waiting for your facts that show cops "world wide" have been told not to use a knee on the neck as a restraint..

    Hell, even RUSS knows you are full of shit about that... :D

  202. [202] 
    Michale wrote:

    Heh Every time I make a comment, I see this at the top for a sec or two..

    Anyone "tired of all the winning" yet? Just asking....

    Nope... STILL not tired of winning..

    The real question is...

    Are ya'all tired of losing again and again and again??? :D

  203. [203] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    100,000+ dead Americans is winning? There is a sick fuck in these comments all right, it just doesn't happen to be me...

  204. [204] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [175]

    But hay... You want to make a wager on November??? I'll be happy to take your dignity away, just like I am taking JM's... :D

    You are truly a legend in your own mind if you think you can take away anyone's dignity. The dignity in play here is your's - you're giving away your dignity by trolling not to persuade but rather to try to annoy people. I'd be happy to wager but I'd never expect you to pay up.

  205. [205] 
    Michale wrote:

    There is a sick fuck in these comments all right, it just doesn't happen to be me...

    Yer the only one quoting the death count, Blathy..

    By definition, the sick fuck is you..

    Still waiting for your FACTS that show cops "world wide" have been told not to use the knee to the neck restraint..

  206. [206] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Liz,

    Right up until there is no apparent pulse on the guy resisting arrest and the non-lethal method continues for some period of time longer.

    The officers had called in for medics to respond, and while I do not know what this department’s specific guidelines are for how closely they must monitor a person in their custody, I have said from the beginning that I thought the officer should have been monitoring Floyd better than he did. Again, that is really up to what their department’s SOP instructs. As someone with a long history of asthma, I am very aware of how positional asphyxiation can occur when someone is belly down on the ground and are unable to move.

    One thing to remember is that the officer only puts pressure on the neck to counteract the person’s attempts to get up...they don’t put weight on the neck when the person isn’t struggling, but they might choose to keep their knee on the neck to make sure the person in custody remains compliant until they can put him in a vehicle. It’s not unheard of for someone who is in handcuffs to take off running or to spit on the officer or to start kicking the officer. If they are kept on the ground, face down, those things do not happen. Since they were waiting for the medics to arrive, it could be that was why the officer kept Floyd where he was — we just do not know.

    What we do know is that the officer’s did not take actions that directly resulted in Floyd’s death. They did not choke him. They did not shoot him. It may be argued that they did not help him as much as they “could have” (or possibly “should have”), but that is not the same as claiming they committed murder.

    Do I think that the officer’s may have been charged just to calm the masses — Yes...they can always drop the charges or reduce them down the road once this is no longer on people’s minds. They were fired before formal investigations could be conducted... so you tell me why the city would choose to rush to judgement in cases like this if it wasn’t in the hope that doing so might prevent the city from burning?

    But, why did the officers use force? Because the guy was resisting arrest? What was the basis for probable cause to arrest him in the first place?

    From the video shot by the security camera across the street from where Floyd died...we see one set of officers arrive and talk to the store owner while two others go and interview Floyd and his passenger. Floyd is shaky in his movements — the officer has to help him to sit down and then get back up when they walk him over to be ID’d by the store owner that claimed he was trying to pass a fake twenty. Unfortunately, another patrol car pulls up and blocks the view of the officers and Floyd when they attempted to place him under arrest. We can see what looks like a flurry of movement by multiple people in what appears to be a struggle through the window of the patrol car, but it is not very clear. I did see someone had a photo of the four officers holding Floyd on the ground (one on his neck, one on his back, one on his waist, and one on his feet) after they handcuffed him.

    If a person resists arrest and the police have to physically engage them, once they have the person under control, the police’s main focus is to keep them compliant until they can get them in a vehicle. Just because Floyd appeared unconscious, that doesn’t mean the police would change how they were treating him. The one officer did check his pulse and the lack of CPR starting makes me believe that he still had a pulse. The medics did not immediately start CPR when they arrived (or I should say that I have not seen any report that says they did immediately start CPR) which tells me that he had a pulse and was breathing when they placed him in the ambulance. Floyd died at the hospital, not on the street.

    So again, how did the officer’s kill Floyd? The other officers were not tasked with monitoring Floyd; their jobs were crowd control. You had a very vocal group of people who had gathered around the scene and needed to be kept back. It is tragic that Floyd died. It is more tragic that the press has chosen to continue with their “white police officers murdering innocent blacks who were just minding their own business” campaign as it results in the riots we are experiencing now!

  207. [207] 
    Michale wrote:

    The autopsy clearly shows that it was Floyd's heart, hypertension and coronary disease that killed him.. A likely contributing factor was the intoxicants in his system...

    As Russ said, it's unfortunate that the media would turn this into a racist incident..

    Unfortunate, but wholly unsurprising.. It's the EXACT playbook they used in the Trayvon Martin shooting, the Michael Brown shooting, the Eric Garner death and the Freddie Gray death...

    I mean, it's amazing to me that ya'all actually still believe the media's bullshit...

  208. [208] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Russ,

    Just because Floyd appeared unconscious, that doesn’t mean the police would change how they were treating him.

    As problems go, I'd say you've got one right there - and reason enough to see more people dying while in police custody.

  209. [209] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Russ,

    It is more tragic [than Floyd dying] that the press has chosen to continue with their “white police officers murdering innocent blacks who were just minding their own business” campaign as it results in the riots we are experiencing now!

    Well, I'm looking at this and other similar incidents from the perspective of how police operate. If one person dies while in police custody, while handcuffed and in the presence of four officers, then something needs to change.

    Just as soon as people around started yelling at police that the guy can't breathe - well, that should have sent alarm bells off in the officers' heads and the knee should have been removed from the neck as Floyd wasn't going anywhere while handcuffed and on his stomach.

  210. [210] 
    Michale wrote:

    As problems go, I'd say you've got one right there - and reason enough to see more people dying while in police custody.

    And yet, more people AREN'T dying in police custody...

    But Russ asked a legitimate question.. Do you suggest that police NOT be allowed to use force when making arrests??

    How, exactly, would that work???

  211. [211] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    John M [122]

    Where is the PROOF he was resisting arrest at all??? We have multiple videos showing:

    1) Mr. Floyd slumping gently down to the ground in a sitting position under an officer's control.

    2) Mr. Floyd being hauled out of the back of a patrol car before laying on the street with a knee on his neck.

    3) The officer with a knee on Mr. Floyd's neck doing so casually with his hands in his pocket. Not something you would do if someone was physically resisting, would you????

    4) An eyewitness statement by the store owner where the alleged passing of the fake twenty took place saying HE saw no resistance on Mr. Floyd's part.

    Again, where is the EVIDENCE of either RESISTANCE or NON COMPLIANCE at any point???

    As I stated above in my response to Liz, we can see what looks like a struggle taking place in the video from across the street. The evidence is on the police’s bodycam footage that we are not privy to. Why do I believe this? Because the police want to avoid any physical confrontations as much as possible since this is the shitstorm that can happen! If you think they just randomly decide to take on a man who is 6’7” and probably 260 lbs or more in broad daylight for kicks, I doubt anything I say is going to matter.

    And to your third point, the officer being where he was positioned guaranteed that Floyd was not going to be able to further resist; it was not that Floyd was actively resisting. It is a technique for physically controlling the person in custody’s movements. For all mammals: if you control the head, the body must follow! The knee on the neck prevents the cuffed person from being able to stand up.

  212. [212] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, I'm looking at this and other similar incidents from the perspective of how police operate. If one person dies while in police custody, while handcuffed and in the presence of four officers, then something needs to change.

    Even if this was factually accurate, how does changing police procedures help with criminal's obesity and heart disease??

    Asking for a friend... :D

    Just as soon as people around started yelling at police that the guy can't breathe - well, that should have sent alarm bells off in the officers' heads and the knee should have been removed from the neck as Floyd wasn't going anywhere while handcuffed and on his stomach.

    And what if the criminal being arrested was lying in order to try and get the upper hand on the officer???

    Are you suggesting that cops SHOULD let criminals dictate how they (the criminals) are arrested??

    "Please officer!! I know I just butchered an entire family in that home invasion!! But these cuffs are too tight and I can't breath!!"

    The problem with your suggestion Liz (and don't think I am picking on you.. Everyone here (sans Russ) has the exact same problem) is you don't realize we are talking about CRIMINALS.. Oft times VIOLENT criminals who will fight and, given the chance, KILL cops...

    In what reality is it feasible or advisable to listen to a combative criminal who is asking the cops, "Please be nice and let me stand up so I can continue to fight you, maybe get your gun and kill you... Please..."???

    I am sorry to be so harsh, but that's what you are, in effect, saying..

    That cops should be nicer and more considerate to criminals...

    But, apparently, ONLY black criminals... The 19 unarmed white guys who died at the hands of cops in 2019??

    Frak them...

    Do you see the utter illogic of what you (and everyone else, sans Russ) are proposing???

  213. [213] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    You have no idea what I'm proposing or you just like coming off as being obtuse.

    I'm done with you on this issue unless you demonstrate some reading comprehension.

  214. [214] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Bashi [123],

    Consider the case of Eric Garner, who was killed by a New York police officer’s chokehold in 2014. Although the NYPD had a formal policy barring chokeholds, it was frequently unenforced. The city’s Civilian Complaint Review Board received 219 chokehold complaints against NYPD officers in just one year.

    Even the NYPD bars choke holds, not that bad cops comply. On the other hand, it does help prove my point...

    OK, this is one that drives me nuts...because people are using the wrong terminology for what are very specific, technical holds. Eric Garner was never placed in a “choke hold”. How can I prove this? A death that is the result of a “choke hold” is called a “strangulation”. That was not Eric Garner’s cause of death. As someone who wrestled and did some ground fighting, the video clearly shows that the officer had Garner in what is called a “headlock”, not a “choke hold” or even a “sleeper hold”. The ME’s report noted some bruising on his neck, but no damage to the windpipe.

    And, FYI... when you are fighting someone who is attempting to take your gun from you and you are trying to get them under control... making sure your headlock doesn’t turn into a chokehold when the person you are fighting has a thumb in your eye really is not your top priority. Better to have accidentally used an illegal move than to be dead is the point I am trying to make!

  215. [215] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Better to have accidentally used an illegal move than to be dead is the point I am trying to make!

    Absolutely, positively, unequivocally!

    Obviously, every case is different and deserves accurate analysis.

  216. [216] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    Michale, give your pince-nez a quick wipe down... I said systemic, not institutionalized. Systemic racism is racism being pervasive or inherent to a body or group. An example would be the early days of the USA when slavery was a business that affected all levels of society. Institutionalized racism would be an institution that is guided, subtly, or openly, by how it deals with a section of the population based on its race, invariably not to their benefit. Rodney King springs to mind, he used what he referred to Institutional racism in the LA police force as his reason for running from the cops the night he was set upon, King said at the time, no black man thought himself safe in the hands of LAPF.

    Now facts and information are at your disposal, use them wisely, it's an awesome responsibility I intrust you with, don't be going all right-wing and Trumpy-white lie with this prize, I'd hate for it to become diluted, or worse, gaslighted from misuse...

    LL&P

  217. [217] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    191
    A slight adjustment needs to be made here.

    "Oh.. For those who wanted stats???

    In 2019, 41 unarmed people were shot and killed by police in the US...

    19 of those people were white..

    How come I didn't hear a PEEP out of ya'all when those 19 were killed???

    I guess, in ya'all's book, their lives don't matter..

    :eyeroll:

    According to Statista 1004 people were shot and killed by police in 2019...Shame on you and your invented facts, and to think, for the last couple of years I've treated all your facts as unassailable truths as if they were handed down to you chiseled in stone...

    :eyesole:

    LL&P

  218. [218] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ
    100

    While I agree with your assessment, I would point out that their was no official investigation conducted prior to the firings.

    Exactly my point, Russ. I'm saying that based on the evidence to date which is preliminary -- the eyewitness video, the police bodycam evidence, the officers' reports, etc. -- the officers were fired. Based on that evidence alone, I cannot fathom how anyone could come to the conclusion that these officers did everything according to procedure. I also said "show me the facts." Mike declares these officers "did everything according to procedure" based on that evidence? Bullshit! Mike's claim that everything was done according to procedure by all the officers based on that evidence alone is no less a declaration based on emotionalism than anyone else claiming they're totally guilty based on the same evidence.

    This was about the politics of this horrible tragedy; facts be damned!

    That could be the case, but then again, the charging authorities have seen more evidence than we have (to date) and have fired every one of them and charged one of them on multiple counts of murder... not exactly the kind of evidence that points to a conclusion of "everything according to procedure."

    The officers might be guilty of not paying attention to someone in their custody that they had requested medics to respond for — but that is my two cents based on what video has been released thus far.

    Exactly. And isn't it also possible they didn't follow other procedures since they were all fired and one of them was charged with multiple counts of murder. That's all I'm saying: Show me the facts before I make a conclusion in either direction.

    So to recap: It is no less "hysterical" and based on "emotionalism" for one to keep insisting the officer(s) did "everything according to procedure" than it is for anyone else to insist the officer(s) murdered a man.

    I have spoken. ~ Kuiil, "The Mandalorian"

  219. [219] 
    Kick wrote:

    John M
    122

    Where is the PROOF he was resisting arrest at all??? We have multiple videos showing.

    ^^^ This. ^^^

    This. ----> Again, where is the EVIDENCE of either RESISTANCE or NON COMPLIANCE at any point???

  220. [220] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    130

    As with ALL arrests, there is one common factor.. ALL the Subjects made a conscious decision to A> break the law and B> fight/resist arrest..

    Wrong. People get arrested who have not broken the law. Mistakes happen. Your claim that all arrests are "a conscious decision to break the law or fight/resist" is ample evidence that you have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about. Your so-called "expertise" is a load of bullshit.

    Police cannot be held responsible for the actions of the Subjects...

    Yes, moron, if a police officer takes an action that causes a subject to take an illegal action that results in a violation of law, the police officer most certainly can be held negligent or partly negligent for a subject's actions; it depends on the circumstances of the incident. A police officer's actions and a subject's subsequent illegal reactions might also be "mitigating factors" or "mitigating circumstances" in a subject's case.

    Example:

    Mattingly and the other officers fired more than 20 shots into Taylor’s apartment, striking her at least eight times and killing her, according to a lawsuit filed by her family. Walker, who was not injured, was subsequently charged with the attempted murder of a police officer and aggravated assault.

    Breonna Taylor's boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, 27, was charged with attempted murder of a police officer and first-degree assault for shooting a Louisville, Ky., police officer March 13, 2020, when they forced their way into Taylor's apartment and shot her to death. The charges against Walker have since been dismissed.

    https://www.fox23.com/news/trending/charges-dropped-against-breonna-taylors-boyfriend-police-chief-retires-fbi-joins-probe/MDUWBEGADNHSVKIWVV3G42BZLA/

    Police on scene followed proper procedure.. This is fact..

    Your examples of your decades of "expertise" are laughable, and repeating your opinion over and over does not make it a fact.

    The decision to fire the officers and prosecute one of them was ***SOLELY*** a political decision and had no bearing on guilt or innocence...

    The fact is, you have no idea if it was "SOLELY" a political decision or not. Perhaps when the eyewitness video evidence and bodycam evidence was compared with the officer(s) report of the incident, perhaps they were found to have filed a bit of fiction. Who knows? You certainly do NOT.

  221. [221] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    201

    And gleeful Blathy gives us the hourly death count...

    Just look at how happy Blathy is about dead Americans..

    You set the metric on this yourself, moron, and they're just kicking your ass on a regular basis on this issue because of your own ignorance and declaration that the virus was "decidedly non-serious." It was indeed you who insisted on judging Trump's "low death count" by Obama's for H1N1, and now you're getting your ass kicked by your own metric. You shouldn't confuse those reporting your ignorance (which grows by the hour) and Trump's utter obvious incompetence with someone being happy about all the death he's caused.

    So to recap: You set the metric by which they are kicking your ass. If anyone else here enjoyed the deaths and incompetence of Donald Trump, they'd likely be voting for him. As far as reality, it appears you're the only one here who would even consider voting for Trump, and that definitely makes you the "sick fuck" (your term/your projection).

    Hell, even RUSS knows you are full of shit about that...

    I doubt Russ enjoyed you putting all those words in his mouth as much as your mouth seemed to have enjoyed giving him all that slavish lip service. *laughs*

  222. [222] 
    Kick wrote:

    "As big as he is, I am betting that Floyd had a heart defect and it's that which killed him, not the restraining technique utilized by the cops.."
    -Michale, Saturday, May 30th, 2020 at 09:34 UTC

    No shit! Former Officer Chauvin was charged with two counts of murder on May 29, and this news was widely reported all over the Internet and national news along with the charge including the verbiage from the preliminary autopsy on the same day : Friday, May 29.

    https://tinyurl.com/ybdbt3vu

    You claiming you "predicted" on May 30 what had already been reported and posted on the Internet the day before isn't such a surprise. You "predicting" that a big man had a "heart defect" is part and parcel of your regularly displayed lack of medical knowledge, and you or anyone else "predicting" a big man Floyd's age might show signs of heart disease and hypertension on autopsy... again... NO SHIT!

    an initial medical examiner's report found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation" -- and cited Floyd's "underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease," as well as the "potential intoxicants" in his system.
    News Report, Sunday, May 31st, 2020 at 12:37 UTC

    Am I good or what!!??? :D

    "Good"? For being able to find verbiage that backs up your "prediction" that was made after the charge was posted!? Let's just say I would wager no one was impressed when you made a "prediction" that a big man about your age might have a "heart defect" *laughs* when it was reported all over Hell and half of Georgia that *shocker* a big man his age had signs of CAD and hypertension. No duh!

    Also, you probably should have compared the charges against the officer that actually contained the verbiage from the autopsy report instead of believing the "News Report, Sunday, May 31st, 2020 at 12:37 UTC." You keep claiming to be this officer with all this LEO "expertise," yet you consulted a "News Report" from Sunday two days after the charge posted all over the Internet. *laughs*

    State the obvious, but wouldn't a so-called self-proclaimed "officer" of your so-called claimed "expertise" and "experience" check the actual charge? *laughs* Duh! It's been reported all over the Internet as has been posted on there since May 29!

    COUNT I

    Charge: Murder - 3rd Degree - Perpetrating Eminently Dangerous Act and Evincing Depraved Mind
    Minnesota Statute: 609.195 (a), with reference to: 609.195 (a)
    Maximum Sentence: 25 YEARS
    Offense Level: Felony
    Offense Date (on or about): 05/25/2020
    Control # : 20200338

    Charge Description: That on or about May 25, 2020, in Hennepin County, Minnesota, Derek Michael Chauvin caused the death of George Floyd by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life.

    COUNT II

    Charge: Manslaughter - 2nd Degree - Culpable Negligence Creating Unreasonable Risk
    Minnesota Statute: 609.205 (1), with reference to: 609.205
    Maximum Sentence: 10 YEARS AND/OR $20,000
    Offense Level: Felony
    Offense Date (on or about) 05/25/2020
    Control ICR # : 20200338

    Charge Description: That on or about May 25, 2020, in Hennepin County, Minnesota, Derek Michael Chauvin caused the death of George Floyd by his culpable negligence, creating an unreasonable risk and taking a chance of causing death or great bodily harm to George Floyd.

    link above

    I won't quote the entire document, but I will supply some relevant excerpts copied verbatim and posted below:

    * Officer Lane handcuffed Mr.Floyd. Mr. Floyd actively resisted being handcuffed.

    * Once handcuffed, Mr. Floyd became compliant and walked with Officer Lane to the sidewalk and sat on the ground at Officer Lane's direction.

    * Officers Kueng and Lane stood Mr. Floyd up and attempted to walk Mr. Floyd to their squad car (MPD 320) at 8:14 p.m. Mr. Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic.

    * MPD Officers Derek Chauvin (the defendant) and Tou Thoa then arrived in a separate squad car. The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the back seat of squad 320 from the driver's side.

    * Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than 200 pounds.

    While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted.
    The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd's back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr.Floyd's head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can't breathe” multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please," as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.

    The officers said, “You are talking fine to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked,
    “Should we roll him on his side?" and the defendant said, “No, staying put where we got him." Officer Lane
    said, “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever." The defendant said, “That's why we have him on his
    stomach." None of the three officers moved from their positions.

    BWC video shows Mr. Floyd continued to move and breathe. At 8:24:24, Mr. Floyd stopped moving. At 8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, “want to roll him on his side.” Kueng checked Mr. Floyd's right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn't find one. None of the officers moved from their positions.

    At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd's neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd
    was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.

    The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd's autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed
    no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had
    underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

    The defendant had his knee on Mr. Floyd's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total. Two minutes and 53
    seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive. Police are trained that this type of restraint with a
    subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous.

    Defendant is in custody.

    So to recap: The charges clearly state that the Medical Examiner's preliminary findings are that the actions by the defendant, the former Officer Chauvin, were a contributing factor in Mr. Floyd's death.

    Russ had stated that Mr. Floyd died after he arrived at the hospital. The actual charge states that another officer stated aloud that he couldn't find a pulse after checking Mr. Floyd, that Mr. Floyd was placed in the ambulance and pronounced deceased at the hospital.

    Being pronounced deceased at a hospital and dying at a hospital are two different things so we'll definitely need the medical information from the EMTs in order to determine the state of Mr. Floyd while in transport. I would not assume Mr. Floyd was alive when placed in the ambulance until there is evidence to prove it, neither would I assume he was dead when placed in the ambulance until there was further evidence to prove that.

    Although, I will say this: I do not believe former Officer Chauvin would now be charged with two counts of murder if Mr. Floyd actually had a pulse when he was examined by the EMTs. Seems highly unlikely, but then again, nothing surprises me these days.

    Need more evidence. I would wager the Minnesota authorities already have this evidence, and I cannot fathom why they'd charge an officer with murder if Mr. Floyd was alive when placed in the ambulance.

    I have spoken.

  223. [223] 
    Kick wrote:

    Unsworn questioning of EMS personnel appears that Mr. Floyd was unresponsive with no pulse when they arrived. They continued for 90 minutes to try to revive him to no avail. He was only then pronounced deceased.

    George Floyd showed no signs of life from time EMS arrived, fire department report says

    https://www.startribune.com/first-responders-worked-nearly-an-hour-to-save-floyd-before-he-was-pronounced-dead/570806682/

    "The crew found an off-duty firefighter who reported witnessing the end of the struggle and watched as Floyd turned unresponsive in police custody." Mr. Floyd showed no signs of life from the time EMS arrived... not likely just a coincidental heart condition that caused his death but "the combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death," just to quote the preliminary report of the Medical Examiner.

    I still don't think it was the officer's intent to kill the man, but there is ample evidence that the action/inaction of the defendant officer could have been a contributing factor in Mr. Floyd's death, which is why he's been charged with 3rd degree murder and manslaughter as those terms are defined in Minnesota law and not Murder 1.

    More evidence. Bring it.

  224. [224] 
    Kick wrote:

    ^^^ EDIT ^^^

    They continued for nearly 60 minutes to try to revive him to no avail. He was only then pronounced deceased 90 minutes after his initial encounter with Minneapolis police.

  225. [225] 
    Kick wrote:

    More evidence. Bring it.

  226. [226] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Kick

    Exactly. And isn't it also possible they didn't follow other procedures since they were all fired and one of them was charged with multiple counts of murder. That's all I'm saying: Show me the facts before I make a conclusion in either direction.

    I completely agree with you! I wanted to clarify my reason for saying I thought the officer’s were fired to appease the will of the masses and not based on the results of an official investigation — this event had every factor needed to cause it to trigger the Perfect Storm of the public’s rage! So while I was saying I didn’t think the officers’ were necessarily fired for reason, I do not fault the city for taking that action —I would understand if they hoped that firing them might prevent the city from burning. If that was the case, they were acting in the best interest of the public. While it sucks for the officers’ reputations, hopefully it will all get cleared up as soon as it is safe to do so.

    I doubt Russ enjoyed you putting all those words in his mouth as much as your mouth seemed to have enjoyed giving him all that slavish lip service. *laughs*

    Yeah, it gets me nauseated every time I see my name being mentioned in his posts. While I might agree with some of the points Mike makes, I find myself going back and reviewing my statements anytime he mentions me just to make sure I worded everything properly.

    I guess what bothers me so much is that the media pushes that these events were racially motivated acts by the police when there is nothing that suggests that is true. Did race play any role in how the officers reacted/acted on the call? What would have been done differently if the suspect had been white? White people who resist arrest are physically forced to comply every day. I know some will jump on this comment with “But did they die as a result?” For the vast majority...NO, they didn’t. Nor did the vast majority of blacks that have to be physically forced to comply with lawful commands! Floyd’s death seems it could be a repeat of what happened to Eric Garner — his overall health and previous medical conditions were not able to handle his choice to physically resist arrest. And it just looks horrible anytime someone is screaming “I cannot breathe” over and over goes unconscious and later dies. But sadly, the act of screaming is viewed as evidence that the person is not in respiratory distress as they claim. And since the medics had already been called, and if he had a pulse and was still breathing, I do not know what more they could have done.

    Still, I know that his screams are what haunts those that view the video. The officers appear heartless for not jumping to do something to help him. The public doesn’t realize how often people placed under arrest cry wolf complaining of medical emergencies. As an EMT, I do not remember ever witnessing an intoxicated subject who resisted arrest ever NOT screaming that the police were breaking their wrists or claiming loudly that they couldn’t breathe when the officers had to use force to get them in handcuffs.

    I fear that the Russians and/or Republicans will fan the flames of racial division in the hopes of disenfranchising black voters from participating in the upcoming election. We know the Russians did this prior to the 2016 election; so to think this isn’t going to happen again would be foolish.

    Stay well, my friend. Always a joy to chat with ya!

    R

  227. [227] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Just saw your posts regarding Floyd’s condition when the medics arrived. If the officer who checked for his pulse did not detect one and then failed to start CPR, then that is negligence. I just am shocked that the medical crew did not begin compressions immediately upon arriving at the scene if that was the case. Yes, you want to get him in the ambulance ASAP, but that can still take place as compressions are started.

  228. [228] 
    Kick wrote:

    Floyd family questions Minneapolis police chief on live TV

    CNN's Sara Sidner stops mid sentence to ask the Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo a question on behalf of George Floyd's family. This was the first direct communication the Floyd family has had with the police department.

    "Silence is an action — you’re complicit. You’re complicit," Arradondo said, adding “Mr. Floyd died in our hands and so I see that as being complicit” while removing his hat after learning the question had come from the Floyd family.

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/06/01/george-floyd-family-minneapolis-police-chief-question-sidner-sot-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/top-news-videos/

    So the officers were fired for cause, but only if you believe Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo, who most likely fired them.

    More evidence. Bring it.

  229. [229] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    nypoet22,

    however, i don't think it's relevant to bring up the trayvon martin incident by way of comparison. a lot more is now public about that case, and the verdict was delivered for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with whether or not zimmerman's actions were correct or justified.

    I was not meaning to compare the death of Trayvon Martin with that of George Floyd. What I was trying to compare was just how the media ran with their own version of reality for what supposedly happened and how they represented Martin not as a muscular 18 yo young man in great physical shape (the guy was ripped), but as a pre-teen CHILD by only showing photos of him as a child. Martin had lots of photos online that were current, but those photos did not match the press’ story telling.

    And as for that link you offered, those are comments/opinions from people not actually involved in the case. Did you watch the trial? I did! It was pathetic! The prosecution literally only offered evidence that supported George Zimmerman’s account of what happened. The audio of the 911 call where you can hear someone screaming as they were getting their ass kicked....there is no way that wasn’t GZ!

    And did you not see the interview with the juror named Maddie (I think that was her name)? She admitted that when the trial started, she really was determined to get justice for Trayvon’s mother because she felt so horrible for her. She however quickly realized that Zimmerman had definitely acted in self-defense based on how the law defines it. She said it became very clear to her that charges should never have been filed and believed that the prosecution must have been doing it merely for show.

    I cannot find the article I read at the time (I think it was the full transcript from ABC), but I did find this one that links to the video.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/07/did-george-zimmerman-get-away-with-murder-no-juror-b29-is-being-framed.html

  230. [230] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ
    226

    Great post, Russ!

    Did race play any role in how the officers reacted/acted on the call? What would have been done differently if the suspect had been white?

    It's a great question. I can only tell you what I've experienced from decades of being me... not a person of color (POC) but a "white person" with long dark hair who has enough native American ancestry that when I tan, I can appear darker than some POCs. Believe me when I tell you that I am treated very differently when I'm dark brown. I've even heard racial slurs about me when my own extended family members didn't recognize me at a family reunion: "Who's the n______ b_____?" "I'm his daughter." I said, and watched the asshole standing next to my father start begging for mercy. *laughs*

    I was also being treated like a criminal for speeding a couple years back until I showed the officer my credentials, and he literally got down on his knees and apologized to me and begged me not to report him. I reported him. Why? Because bad police officers don't just imperil the citizens, they're also a threat to the excellent cops, and I do believe the majority of cops deserve not to be judged by the bad ones. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that, though.

    I guess what bothers me so much is that the media pushes that these events were racially motivated acts by the police when there is nothing that suggests that is true.

    I hear you.

    Did race play any role in how the officers reacted/acted on the call?

    Well, ask yourself if you believe the former police officer turned defendant would have treated Mr. Floyd differently if he was -- all things being equal -- a white man. I would wager the officer wouldn't have been as scared of Mr. Floyd White and probably wouldn't have been afraid of Mr. "White" once he already had him cuffed and four other officers standing over him and holding him down. What could Mr. "White" have done to any them with his hands already restrained behind his back in a four-to-one scenario? I would wager the knee would not have been applied to Mr. "White"... on the ground... with handcuffs placed upon him and hands thusly restrained.

    So Floyd resisted arrest according to the charges. Okay, but then he was handcuffed, and resisting arrest is not a license to kill. What matters in the least is what Mr. Floyd did before he was handcuffed; what matters in the instant case is what former officer and now the accused did to Mr. Floyd after he was rear-cuffed and debilitated lying face down and on the ground.

    It wasn't mentioned in the report, but Mr. Floyd told the officer: "Don't kill me," and "I'm about to die." Yet Chauvin continued kneeling on his neck. I believe a white man with his hands already cuffed behind him and pinned on the ground by officers that outnumbered him four to one would likely have been given the benefit of the doubt that he was in distress and couldn't breathe. I believe a lot of this disparity in treatment is caused by white officers who are afraid and/or who harbor feelings they won't admit to themselves.

    So in the instant case, even if Mr. Floyd was UTI and had health conditions that may have been a contributing factor in his death, it does not appear he would have been killed were it not for Chauvin's pinning him down after he had already been restrained and rear-cuffed. What was Chauvin afraid Mr. Floyd would do with no firearm, no hands, and with four officers standing over him? The Medical Examiner has already listed his actions as a contributory cause of his death. If a judge or jury finds that Mr. Floyd would be alive but for the defendant officer's actions, then that officer could be convicted in his death... albeit with maybe some "mitigating circumstances" that could factor into a lesser sentencing, different charge, or even an acquittal if a full autopsy reveals that Mr. Floyd had a heart attack.

    As for two rookies and the other officer that haven't yet been charged, it doesn't look like they'll be getting their jobs back in Minneapolis since their boss believes they're "complicit."

    More evidence. Bring it.

    Always good to talk with you, Russ. XOXOXO I have spoken. ;)

  231. [231] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    OK, now that Russ has chimed in, here is my 2 cents on what you asked about the George Zimmerman (whom I happen to actually know personally) case..

    Exactly what Russ said.. :D

  232. [232] 
    Michale wrote:

    'Nuck

    Michale, give your pince-nez a quick wipe down... I said systemic, not institutionalized. Systemic racism is racism being pervasive or inherent to a body or group.

    Now yer just being obtuse.. Systemic and institutionalized are interchangeable..

    But hay.. I'll be yer huckleberry... Show me any systemic racism here in the United States..

    Bring facts... RELEVANT facts...

    An example would be the early days of the USA when slavery was a business that affected all levels of society.

    So, you have to go back over 200 years to make your case???

    I was referring more to the here and now..

    Please show me examples of systemic/institutionalized racism. Bring relevant facts...

    But before we start, do you even KNOW the difference between systemic/institutionalized racism and plain old vanilla racism???

    OK... GO...

  233. [233] 
    Michale wrote:

    Minneapolis mayor says 'white supremacists,' 'out of state instigators' behind protests, but arrests show different story
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-jacob-frey-white-supremacists-out-of-state-instigators-george-floyd-protests

    Typical Dumbocrats.. Trying to shift the blame away from Democrat thugs and terrorists...

    So lame..

  234. [234] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    You have no idea what I'm proposing or you just like coming off as being obtuse.

    Just as soon as people around started yelling at police that the guy can't breathe - well, that should have sent alarm bells off in the officers' heads and the knee should have been removed from the neck as Floyd wasn't going anywhere while handcuffed and on his stomach.
    -Liz

    It sounds like you were for giving criminals control over how they are treated by police...

    If that was not what you mean, by all means.. Please clarify..

    I'm done with you on this issue unless you demonstrate some reading comprehension.

    TRANSLATION
    I am going to try and ignore you until you start commenting and thinking the way *I* want you to comment and think...

    Yer in for a LONG wait, Liz.. Until you start showing some FACTS that are relevant, we'll never have any common ground..

    For example.. We know now for a fact that the autopsy proves that the police restraining technique used by Officer Chauvin was not responsible in ANY way for Floyd's death..

    As I predicted, it was Floyd's heart condition, his coronary artery disease and his hypertension that killed him.. Not to mention the possible alcohol/drugs in his system..

    In other words, Floyd was a dead man walking and Officer Chauvin's actions had no bearing on Floyd's death..

    These are the kinds of relevant facts that you people need to have if ya'all want to debate this issue intelligently...

  235. [235] 
    Michale wrote:

    Misquoting MLK to Legitimize Violence

    The media distort Martin Luther King’s words to render riots respectable.
    https://spectator.org/misquoting-mlk-to-legitimize-violence/

    Hmmmm

    Who do we know that used MLK's words to justify all the burning and destroying and looting and killing???

    “In the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear?”-MLK
    -Blathy

    Why, it was our very own Blathy who stooped so low as to do that..

    Not surprising, eh?? :eyeroll:

  236. [236] 
    Michale wrote:

    It was inevitable that George Floyd’s death would spark protests against police brutality, and that mendacity would characterize the attendant media coverage. True to form, the press affected dismay when the demonstrations devolved into violence, yet reported the riots with obvious approbation. The most obscene example of this was the widespread use, in headlines and ledes, of an out-of-context Martin Luther King quote suggesting that the civil rights leader would have condoned the mayhem. USA Today, for example, ran a feature story bearing the following title: “‘A riot is the language of the unheard’: MLK’s powerful quote resonates amid George Floyd protests.”

    This grotesque misrepresentation of Dr. King’s views is only possible by cynically cherry-picking eight words from a 1966 interview during which he repeatedly emphasized that violence was counterproductive to the progress of the civil rights movement. Mike Wallace interviewed him for “CBS Reports” on Sept. 27, 1966, and the primary topic of discussion involved divisions within the movement concerning overall strategy. The myth that King had somehow endorsed violence went mainstream in 2013, when “60 Minutes Rewind” posted a clip from the Wallace interview and irresponsibly titled it using the same out-of-context quote. The interview transcript begins with this unambiguous statement:

    What kind of scumbag would twist a great man's words to justify hate and violence and murder and looting and burning and destroying???

    Answer: Blathy...

  237. [237] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Let me say as I’ve always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I’m still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for freedom and justice. I feel that violence will only create more social problems than they will solve. That in a real sense it is impracticable for the Negro to even think of mounting a violent revolution in the United States. So I will continue to condemn riots, and continue to say to my brothers and sisters that this is not the way."
    -Dr Martin Luther King

    Funny how morons here in Weigantia only cherry pick the quotes that allow OTHER morons to hate and destroy and burn and murder and loot and pillage...

    Does anyone here stand with me and Dr MLK and AGAINST the violence and hate and looting and pillaging???

    Anyone?? Anyone stand against the rioters and the looters???

    Anyone???

  238. [238] 
    Michale wrote:

    USA Today, CBS, and CNN have lot of company. The Week, for example, ran yet another trite effusion titled “‘A riot is the language of the unheard,’ Martin Luther King Jr. explained 53 years ago.” This nonsense, like the rest, ignores the facts and includes standard fictions to once again conjure up an image of Dr. King as an advocate of violence in the cause of social justice. Among those offended by this mendacious exploitation of King’s words to validate violence is his niece, Alveda King. She writes, “I am saddened yet undaunted that a quote from my Uncle Martin is being taken out of context.… Some people are calling this an endorsement of violence, but nothing could be further from the truth.”

    She continues, “Martin Luther King preached love, not hate; peace, not violence; universal brotherhood, not racism.” This MLK isn’t easy to square with the figure now being portrayed by the media, but the Fourth Estate can’t be bothered with facts right now. It’s an election year. They have to stoke as much racial tension as possible.

    Anyone who mis-uses Dr MLK's words to justify hate and bigotry and violence and burning and murdering and looting and pillaging.....

    They ought to be well and truly ashamed of themselves...

  239. [239] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yes, I am looking at you, Blathy....

  240. [240] 
    Michale wrote:

    "I will never change in my basic idea that non-violence is the most potent weapon available to the Negro in his struggle for freedom and justice. I think for the Negro to turn to violence would be both impractical and immoral."
    -Dr Martin Luther King

    SO... Can we dispense with the complete and utter BS that Dr King would support these riots and looters and murderers??

    That's a new low.. Even for Weigantia....

  241. [241] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, what else we got going on??

    Hmmmmm

    Oh, here's a good one.. :D

    And just like that... Covid-19 is no big deal whatsoever...
    http://sjfm.us/pics/justlike.jpg

    I really have to wonder if ya'all can really comprehend how badly Democrats are losing all over the country??

  242. [242] 
    Michale wrote:

    Mayor Moron Destroys America’s Major Cities
    When you reward bad behavior, expect more of it.

    https://spectator.org/mayor-moron-destroys-americas-major-cities/

    This is what happens when moron Democrats let the looters and destroyers "blow off steam"....

  243. [243] 
    Michale wrote:

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

    —Willian Butler Yeats, The Second Coming

  244. [244] 
    Michale wrote:

    Anyone "tired of all the winning" yet? Just asking....

    Nope... Not getting tired of winning at all..

    What about ya'all??? Ya'all getting tired of losing??

    Just asking... :D

  245. [245] 
    Michale wrote:

    Historic Minneapolis restaurant burned down by rioters just days before reopening: 'It's really emotional'
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/minneapolis-restaurant-burned-down-riots

    It's amazing to me that there are people here in Weigantia who actually SUPPORT the looters and scumbags...

    Boggles the mind..

    "What is your boggle?"
    -Museum Patron, DEMOLITION MAN

  246. [246] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    232

    But hay.. I'll be yer huckleberry... Show me any systemic racism here in the United States..

    Bring facts... RELEVANT facts...

    Oh, FFS! Go look in the mirror, and you'll find the dipshit who's claimed on more than one occasion that the "Democrat Party" is full of racists; you know, that right-wing talking point wherein the GOP tries desperately to claim "black Americans" are slaves to a Party who views them as inferior.

    Now you're howling at the moon that racism doesn't exist and undercutting your own Trumplican Party's insistence that racism is alive and well and living in Democrats... a sizeable chunk who happen to be "black Americans" themselves, but obviously are outnumbered by millions. It's like you're so effing blind to your own racist spew that you don't even listen to your own bullshit talking points!

    Thank you for highlighting your own ignorance, though. You making your own talking points look ridiculous is nothing new here since you're illiterate and have a reading comprehension problem even in regards to your own oft repeated word stench and "fabricated and pulled straight out of your own fat ass" bullshit.

    Also, when your Trumplican Party and Orange Worship keep stating on a regular basis that politicians of color should "go back to the country they came from," then you don't get to claim racism doesn't exist in our institutions while Hair Dick Tater keeps insisting that persons of color aren't from America and an American judge who happens to be of Latino heritage cannot judge him impartially because he's a Mexican. Plenty more where that came from insisting that the African American President of the United States show his papers and prove he wasn't born in Africa... appealing to racists for political gain is the perpetuation of systemic racism.

    So to recap: Racism is alive and well in America and living in the White House and frequently in your comments where you parrot the shit like a useful idiot sheeple performing on cue.

  247. [247] 
    Michale wrote:

    Sheriff: Officer’s neck slashed during confrontation with protestors

    Mayor: ‘We’re not going to tolerate it in our city. We’re not going to let them burn our city to the ground.’
    https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/05/31/sheriff-several-officers-attacked-1-stabbed-in-neck-amid-jacksonville-protests/

    We have a special way of dealing with protesters and looters and other assorted scumbags who attack cops..

    Is it effective??

    Let's ask Trayvon Martin... :^/

  248. [248] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, in other words, there are NO FACTS to show that there is systemic/institutionalized racism in today's United States..

    I thank you for your concession...

  249. [249] 
    Michale wrote:

    Blathy,

    What about you???

    Did you find any facts to support your claim that cops "World Wide" are taught to NOT use a knee to the neck as a restraining technique..

    Hell, even RUSS says yer full of shit on that point...

    When Russ and I are totally and unequivocally on the same page you just GOTS ta know that you are as wrong as wrong can be....

  250. [250] 
    Kick wrote:

    I thank you for your concession...

    You can certainly thank me for the verbal shooting of my middle finger at your repetitive bullshit, but you can't factually thank anyone for a concession you didn't receive from them. :)

  251. [251] 
    Michale wrote:

    uxury stores looted in overnight protests in NYC as de Blasio says there’s ‘limited protest activity’
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/luxury-stores-looted-in-overnight-protests-in-nyc-even-as-de-blasio-says-theres-limited-protest-activity

    Oh wow...

    Shits getting real for DeBlowhole...

    He's gonna have to choose sides real soon..

  252. [252] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    What about you.. You wanted to talk about the Breonna Taylor shooting and then you disappeared once I proved it was a Good Shoot...

    Don't you want to talk about Taylor any more???

  253. [253] 
    Michale wrote:

    And let's recap the big news from yesterday..

    According to the autopsy, Floyd died due to his coronary artery disease (something I am intimately familiar with), his hypertension and his heart disease.. Floyd also had likely intoxicants in his system.. So, at the time of death he was likely high or drunk or both..

    The legitimate restraint move that Officer Chauvin was forced to use on a combative Floyd???

    Not relevant at all to his death...

    It's almost as if someone PREDICTED this the day before..

    Oh... wait...

    "It was me!!"
    -Judy Robinson, LOST IN SPACE

    :D

  254. [254] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, JM's a no-show... Probably still licking his wounds from yesterday..

    Haven't seen MC since he got bitch-slapped to hell and back...

    Blathy is gleefully looking up how many Americans are dead.. He is as giddy as a school-boy...

    Liz and JL are probably still sleeping....

    So, looks like I got the playground to myself for a bit.. :D

  255. [255] 
    Michale wrote:

    On the other hand, there IS some good news.. Looks like I'll be going under the knife again, crack open my chest so the doctor can re-attach my ribs that have been flapping in the wind for since the end of Nov..

    So, ya'all will probably get a couple days respite..

    Yunno..... gather yerselves.. Lick your wounds... That sort of thing..

    "Hay, what can I say, it's OK... Yer weclome..."
    -Maui, MOANA

    :D

  256. [256] 
    Kick wrote:

    We have a special way of dealing with protesters and looters and other assorted scumbags who attack cops..

    Is it effective??

    Let's ask Trayvon Martin... :^/

    What would Trayvon Martin know about attacking a cop? He was neither killed for attacking a cop nor did he receive a trial by jury, which is the way America deals with alleged perpetrators of crime(s)... unless you don't believe in or practice the Constitution.

    You definitely seem to be advocating extrajudicial killing with your comment I quoted above, and that's not something to make light of or encourage in this comments section (or anywhere else on the Internet, for that matter) unless you're looking for a surefire way to prove without any doubt at all that you were in no way whatsoever the "law enforcement officer" that you claim.

  257. [257] 
    Michale wrote:

    Secret Service agents wounded outside White House, car bombs feared; official says Trump was taken to bunker
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-took-trump-to-underground-bunker-amid-george-floyd-protests

    Oh please, please, PLEASE....

    Looters and scumbags... PLEASE try to breach the White House walls... I would LOVE to see that!! :D

  258. [258] 
    Michale wrote:

    More than 50 Secret Service agents were injured, fires set by rioters blazed near the White House and authorities were searching for car bombs late Sunday as protests over the death of George Floyd continued to roil the capital just two days after President Trump had to be taken to a bunker for his safety.

    A senior official in the direct chain of command for defending Washington D.C. told Fox News of the injuries to Secret Service agents, some of whom were hurt by rioters throwing bottles and Molotov cocktails in Lafayette Park, just across from the presidential residence. As observed in New York City and elsewhere, groups in D.C. are planting cars filled with incendiary materials for future use, Fox News is told. U.S. Marshals and Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agents were deployed to the streets of D.C. in an extraordinary move to beef up security alongside local police and Homeland Security agents, including the Secret Service, the Justice Department confirmed late Sunday. Fox News has learned U.S. Attorney for D.C. Mike Sherwin is heavily involved in the operation.

    Lights that normally illuminate the exterior of the White House were disabled early Monday morning, reportedly so that the Secret Service could use night-vision equipment to monitor protesters.

    I would LOVE to be on the front lines at the White House...

  259. [259] 
    Michale wrote:

    https://media.giphy.com/media/3oKIPiZiV5VaF9FWsE/giphy.gif

    "How can you shoot women and children!!!???"
    "It's easy.. You just don't lead 'em as much!!"

    -FULL METAL JACKET

    :D

  260. [260] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    253

    And let's recap the big news from yesterday..

    The preliminary autopsy report quotes came from the Medical Examiner's quotes which were included in the charges of former Officer Chauvin that weren't from "yesterday" but were rather from Friday, May 29.

    According to the autopsy, Floyd died due to his coronary artery disease (something I am intimately familiar with), his hypertension and his heart disease..

    Coronary artery disease and heart disease. *laughs* Do you have a link to this autopsy or are you referring to the preliminary findings?

    Floyd also had likely intoxicants in his system..

    You've moved the goalpost from "possible intoxicants" to "likely intoxicants," two entirely different definitions. Link, please.

    So, at the time of death he was likely high or drunk or both..

    Link, please.

    The legitimate restraint move that Officer Chauvin was forced to use on a combative Floyd???

    Not relevant at all to his death...

    Link, please. I have a link:

    The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd's autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

    The defendant had his knee on Mr. Floyd's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total. Two minutes and 53
    seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive. Police are trained that this type of restraint with a
    subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous.

    Defendant is in custody.

    https://tinyurl.com/ybdbt3vu

    [ emphasis added by me ]

    It's almost as if someone PREDICTED this the day before..

    It's "almost" as if someone "predicted" on May 30 what had already been widely reported all over the Internet on May 29. Oh, wait! And has demonstrable trouble with the written word and reading comprehension. *laughs*

    And definitely no evidence whatsoever of any discernible "law enforcement expertise" he keeps claiming.

  261. [261] 
    Michale wrote:

    Calls for de Blasio to resign trend on Twitter after defense of NYPD
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/calls-for-de-blasio-to-resign-trend-on-twitter-after-defense-of-nypd

    Looks like DeBlowHole is caught between and a hard case.. :D

  262. [262] 
    Michale wrote:

    Link, please. I have a link:

    Yea, and yer link is from the NY Grime.. No wonder you tried to hide it with a tinyurl...

    BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  263. [263] 
    Michale wrote:

    "As big as he is, I am betting that Floyd had a heart defect and it's that which killed him, not the restraining technique utilized by the cops.."
    -Michale, Saturday, May 30th, 2020 at 09:34 UTC

    an initial medical examiner's report found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation" -- and cited Floyd's "underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease," as well as the "potential intoxicants" in his system.
    https://www.newsweek.com/george-floyd-couldnt-breathe-before-he-was-pinned-down-cops-prosecutor-says-1507608

    Am I good or what!!??? :D

  264. [264] 
    Michale wrote:

    The simple fact is, Floyd is dead for one reason and one reason only..

    He made a conscious decision to fight the law..

    The law won..

    Hell, even RUSS agrees with me...

    That fact alone should tell ya'all how utterly and completely wrong ya'all are...

    We can discuss Breonna Taylor if ya'all are tired of getting your asses whoop'ed on Floyd... :D

  265. [265] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    I think the Ahmaud Arbery case is the one this forum seems to be avoiding, so maybe that would be a better place to continue.

  266. [266] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    262

    Yea, and yer link is from the NY Grime.. No wonder you tried to hide it with a tinyurl...

    I shortened a long ass link to a PDF of the actual law enforcement document containing the charges against the office with the quotes from the preliminary autopsy.

    You supplied bullshit and no link... but definitely the evidence you're a fabricating uneducated bullshit artist.

  267. [267] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's actually comical in a sad and pathetic way..

    Black looters and protesters say "Cops are murdering our people" yet the BIGGEST killer of blacks (upwards of 50,000 per year) are other blacks...

    This is why it's IMPOSSIBLE to take the claims of systemic/institutionalize racism seriously..

    The facts clearly show that it's blacks who killed THOUSANDS, TENS of thousands more blacks than police do...

  268. [268] 
    Kick wrote:

    JL
    265

    I think the Ahmaud Arbery case is the one this forum seems to be avoiding, so maybe that would be a better place to continue.

    I see what you did there... and you're "oh so" clever and correct, of course.

  269. [269] 
    Michale wrote:

    As a matter of fact, do ya'all know the MOST dangerous neighborhood in the world for black Americans???

    A neighborhood where upwards of 30,000 black Americans die every year??

    A neighborhood where black American lives are snuffed out more than Police, HIV, Homicide, Diabetes, Accident, Cancer, and Heart Disease....

    COMBINED....

    That neighborhood is the womb...

    So, please remind me again how "Black Lives Matter"??

    I seem to have forgotten what with all the FACTS to the contrary...

  270. [270] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    I think the Ahmaud Arbery case is the one this forum seems to be avoiding, so maybe that would be a better place to continue.

    By all means.. State your case...

  271. [271] 
    Michale wrote:

    But I'll be honest.. Since it didn't really involve cops, yer going to have a hard time making a "relevance" case...

  272. [272] 
    Michale wrote:

    Robert Patrick denounces 'angry mobs' who are destroying people's businesses
    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/robert-patrick-angry-mobs-destroying-businesses

    Looters and scumbags just HAVE to know they are in deep kimchee when the T-1000 starts knocking them!! :D

  273. [273] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    267

    It's actually comical in a sad and pathetic way..

    You are correct about that but not likely in the way you believe you are.

    Black looters and protesters say "Cops are murdering our people" yet the BIGGEST killer of blacks (upwards of 50,000 per year) are other blacks...

    You seem to be clueless that a "black" can be a cop and would still qualify as a black killing a black and also that (1) heart disease, (2) cancer, (3) unintentional accidents, (4) strokes, (5) diabetes mellitus, and (6) chronic lower respiratory diseases are all "bigger killers of blacks" than (7) assault (homicide) regardless of the color of the killer.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/233310/distribution-of-the-10-leading-causes-of-death-among-african-americans/

    This is why it's IMPOSSIBLE to take the claims of systemic/institutionalize racism seriously..

    Shhhhhhhhhhhh. No one tell Mike that a black person could actually be a cop.

    The facts clearly show that it's blacks who killed THOUSANDS, TENS of thousands more blacks than police do...

    You're the poster child for the very definition of systemic racism. Reminds me of that joke where some farmers are examining the pasture to determine whether or not a lump they've come across is cow dung to avoid or soil they can walk through:

    Farmer 1: "It looks like shit."
    Farmer 2: "It smells like shit."
    Farmer 3: "It tastes like shit."
    In unison: "Sure glad we didn't step in it!"

  274. [274] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    I am heading into the shop for a few..

    I'll address your points (if there are any) when I get there...

  275. [275] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    269

    As a matter of fact, do ya'all know the MOST dangerous neighborhood in the world for black Americans???

    Baltimore.

    A neighborhood where upwards of 30,000 black Americans die every year??

    A neighborhood where black American lives are snuffed out more than Police, HIV, Homicide, Diabetes, Accident, Cancer, and Heart Disease....

    COMBINED....

    If you seriously believe all those diseases combined "snuffed out" less than 30,000 black American lives, then you're dumber than a box of rocks and you're also contradicting your other bullshit above where where you claimed "blacks" killed 50,000 other black people.

    That neighborhood is the womb...

    It's obvious you believe your empty head is a neighborhood people live in, but that doesn't mean a woman's womb is one too.

    So, please remind me again how "Black Lives Matter"??

    I seem to have forgotten what with all the FACTS to the contrary...

    So then, using your own metric, white "neighborhoods" are by far deadlier and have been exponentially so than black ones. Good thing Barack Obama's mother decided not to abort her white child. Oh, wait! Say... y'all don't think it's possible that a white woman could have a black man's child and vice versa, do you? Well, color me surprised!

    Your systemic racism rears it's pathetic head again, and you've proven without doubt that whites are far and away the biggest killers of the unborn. Congratulations, moron.

  276. [276] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Since it didn't really involve cops, yer going to have a hard time making a "relevance" case...

    Neither did Zimmerman/Martin. In both cases the killers were non-police, so if we're going to exclude one incident on those grounds then the other shouldn't be relevant either.

    JL

  277. [277] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    271

    But I'll be honest.. Since it didn't really involve cops, yer going to have a hard time making a "relevance" case...

    You've claimed repeatedly on this forum to have 2-1/2 decades of law enforcement based on you being an MP in the armed forces and you used to post the officers KIA as if you were one of their brethren until Russ called you on your bullshit, yet now you insist that Gregory McMichael who actually is an ex-police officer charged with killing Ahmaud Arbery doesn't involve a cop.

    *laughs* *can't stop laughing* *spew alert* *rolling on the floor* *pounding fists on floor while laughing*

    Russ! Bet you can't read that bullshit of Mike's and not get a hernia or otherwise hurt yourself while laughing. :)

  278. [278] 
    Kick wrote:

    McMichael spent 37 years working on the police force until 2019 and suddenly he's not a cop... yet Mike claims decades as a "law enforcement officer"... oh, wait... amended to "security" blah, blah... for a couple years as an MP!

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/gregory-mcmichael-police-officer-charged-killing-ahmaud-arbery/story?id=70690972

    It's an interesting case where the cop and his son pursued a citizen and killed him.

  279. [279] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    'When the Country Needed Leadership, Trump Turned Off the Lights': White House Goes Dark as Protests Over Killing of George Floyd Rage Across Nation
    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/06/01/when-country-needed-leadership-trump-turned-lights-white-house-goes-dark-protests

    In the link is a video of them turning the lights off. That is some heavy optics. Hiding in a bunker sending off threatening tweets instead of leading a nation when it needs it.

    105,850 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

  280. [280] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    Neither did Zimmerman/Martin. In both cases the killers were non-police, so if we're going to exclude one incident on those grounds then the other shouldn't be relevant either.

    Fair enough.. Even though Z was performing his duties as, essentially, LE for the property he was tasked to protect, you can make a case that it's similar..

    I'll give you that one because it's not really relevant..

    So, what's your beef about cops in the Aubrey case???

    Heading back home now.. Will check with ya when I get there...

  281. [281] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's phenomenally amazing!!

    One cop simply does his job and, all of the sudden, Covid-19 is NOT a threat anymore..

    People are encouraged by Democrats and Trump/America haters to ignore social distancing and gather in close proximity by the hundreds, thousands even...

    That's the Democrat Party.. Doesn't know it's ass from a hole in the ground... :eyeroll:

  282. [282] 
    Michale wrote:

    The wife and I finished SPACE FORCE last night...

    Eh.... Was OK.. Not nearly as funny as I thought it would be...

    Anyone here watch it??

  283. [283] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump unloads on governors over protest response, calls them 'weak'
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-unloads-on-governors-over-protest-response-tells-them-most-of-you-are-weak

    "Give it to 'im good, Carrie!!! Give it to 'im good!!"
    -Girls, CAROUSEL

    :D

    America is lucky to have a leader of President Trump's caliber.... :D

  284. [284] 
    Michale wrote:

    “Get tough Democrat Mayors and Governors. These people are ANARCHISTS. Call in our National Guard NOW. The World is watching and laughing at you and Sleepy Joe. Is this what America wants? NO!!!”
    -President Donald Trump

    Dumbocrats couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag...

    GOP leaders in FL are taking care of business...

    Dumbocrats (so-called) leaders need to pay attention...

  285. [285] 
    Michale wrote:

    BET FOUNDER: $14 TRILLION IN SLAVE REPARATIONS!
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/01/bets-robert-johnson-calls-for-14-trillion-of-reparations-for-slavery.html

    BBBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Oh wow!!! THAT is funny!!!

    These morons tear down communities, destroy people's businesses and lives, loot and pillage..

    And on top of THAT, they want "reparations"???

    BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    And ya'all **REALLY** think that Dumbocrats have a chance in Nov???

    THAT is even funnier!! :D

  286. [286] 
    Michale wrote:

    14 TRILLION in slave reparations!!

    BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Whew!! That is HILARIOUS!!! :D

  287. [287] 
    Michale wrote:

    Looters Skip Liquor Store With Owner Guarding With AR-15...
    Santa Monica Owner Protects His Store With Guns Amid Looting

    https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/06/01/santa-monica-owner-defends-his-store-with-guns-amid-looting/

    And NOW we see exactly why a civilian needs an AR-15 with a 50 round magazine.....

  288. [288] 
    Michale wrote:

    The BEST way to handle looters and scumbags...

    Police and soldiers return fire, killing man in Louisville

    LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — Police officers and National Guard soldiers enforcing a curfew in Louisville killed a man early Monday when they returned fire after someone in a large group fired at them first, the city's police chief said.A shocked witness said the group had nothing to do with the protests, adding he never “thought I would experience that here in America.”

    Police Chief Steve Conrad confirmed the shooting happened around 12:15 a.m. outside a food market on West Broadway, where police and the National Guard had been called to break up a large group of people gathering in defiance of the city's curfew.
    https://www.fox5ny.com/news/police-and-soldiers-return-fire-killing-man-in-louisville

    Law and order will be maintained....

    It's THAT simple...

  289. [289] 
    Michale wrote:

    14 TRILLION in slave reparations!!

    BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Whew!! That is so fraking funny!!!!! :D

  290. [290] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, now the family has it's own "expert" who was paid to say that the cop's actions killed george floyd..

    Oh gee.. Which autopsy to believe??

    The one done by a REAL Medical Examiner??

    Or the one that was paid for by the family of the deceased..

    Awww Gee.... Let me think.... :eyeroll:

  291. [291] 
    Michale wrote:

    tlanta clothing store owner says he 'lost everything' after business was looted and destroyed
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/atlanta-business-heartbroken-after-storefront-is-ransacked-during-george-floyd-riots

    Apparently, THAT black American's lively hood did not matter... :eyeroll:

  292. [292] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Kick I thoroughly enjoyed your OWNERSHIP of #SickFuckMichale. You just eviscerated him, but this truly delusional moron (e.g.
    Haven't seen MC since he got bitch-slapped to hell and back...)
    doesn't matter because he's not remotely capable of persuading anybody who's not already in love with his Cheetogod.
    It's amazing this loser is still showing his face on the blog, but self awareness isn't apparently a menu option with this funny man.

  293. [293] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    I see yer back after getting bitch slapped all day yesterday...

    Still afraid to make a wager as to who will win the Nov election??

    BBBWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKK

    The fact is, son... I have been factually accurate on EVERY President Trump prediction to date..

    And YA'ALL have **ALWAYS** been wrong..

    So, of course I am going to dominate Weigantia.. No one can stand against the facts.. :D

    "You can't win!! I have GOD on my side!!!"
    -Leland Gant, NEEDFUL THINGS

    :D

    You have a happy day.. :D

  294. [294] 
    Michale wrote:

    14 TRILLION in slave reparations!!

    BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Oh my gods, that is so fraking comical!!! :D

    And Dumbocrats and Trump/America haters buy into this utter crap hook, line and sinker!! :D

  295. [295] 
    Michale wrote:

    Welp, it's that time again.. Time to spend some quality time with my lovely wife...

    Think we're going to watch TENET tonight.. It looks pretty good albeit convoluted..

    I'll be back tomorrow morning to utterly decimate ya'all's arguments.. AGAIN! :D

    Oh and I got notified my surgery is for noon on Weds.. So ya'all will have Weds and Thu to lick yer wounds and bruised egos.. :D

    See ya'all tomorrow.. :D

    OH.... One more thing..

    14 TRILLION in slave reparations!!

    BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Oh my gods, that STILL is so fraking hilarious!!!!!! :D

  296. [296] 
    Kick wrote:

    BashiBazouk
    279

    In the link is a video of them turning the lights off. That is some heavy optics. Hiding in a bunker sending off threatening tweets instead of leading a nation when it needs it.

    Trump finally surrendered to the coronavirus he claimed was simply a "Democrat hoax" has at last quarantined himself.

    #BunkerBitch

    105,850 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

    Wow... so according to Mike's own metric that he voluntarily set as the Weigantia standard for measuring the proficiency of presidents, that unequivocally makes Donald Trump an exponentially incompetent fool.

    What is Odumbo's leadership called when over 12 THOUSAND Americans died..

    Let me put it this way.. When we get to the end of this and less than 6,000 Americans died under President Trump's leadership..

    Will you finally concede that President Trump did better than Odumbo??

    12,269 quatloos (the same number of deaths under Odumbo) says you won't..

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/03/20/ftp566/#comment-156171

    Mike's own voluntarily created measuring system for incompetence is now perilously off course by ~100,000 dead Americans. Tough break for Americans because of Trump and dipshits like Mike who shouldn't be surprised in the least if neither Mike himself nor his Orange Worship doesn't fare well when measured by the metric of his own making.

    Keep those coronavirus reports coming; work that MikeMetric® with every fiber of your being. Mike didn't create that thing by which presidents must be measured only to have it be relegated to the dustbin of Weigantian history.

    I have spoken. :)

  297. [297] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ

    Fair enough.. Even though Z was performing his duties as, essentially, LE for the property he was tasked to protect, you can make a case that it's similar.. ~ Mike

    Mike now finally seems to have come around that Zimmerman was "essentially law enforcement"... what you and I and others here in Weigantia had referred to as Zimmerman being a "wanna-be" with Mike insisting he wasn't.

    Weigantia Trivia: Who Said It?

    Racist or not, Zimmerman has since proven that he is a loose cannon who had no business stalking the neighborhood as a law enforcement wanna-be - much less do so while packing heat. Racist or not, he killed someone who would not be dead if he'd listened to the police dispatch and hung back instead of giving chase. Personally I think it highly unlikely that race wasn't at least part of the equation - racial profiling is pretty well-documented among both law enforcement and nosy neighbors. ~ ________________
    ..................... ^^ Who said it? ^^

    Answer:

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/10/07/a-marriage-equality-victory-lap/#comment-53419

    No Cheating!

  298. [298] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    281

    One cop simply does his job and, all of the sudden, Covid-19 is NOT a threat anymore..

    COVID-19 was always a threat, even though dipshits like yourself, Rush Limbaugh, and Donald Trump repeatedly referred to it it terms of "decidedly non-serious," "hoax," and "the common cold." It's still a threat and still killing Americans due to Trump's incompetence.

    People are encouraged by Democrats and Trump/America haters to ignore social distancing and gather in close proximity by the hundreds, thousands even...

    So you seem to have forgotten that Donald Trump ordered Americans all across the country back to work while the GOP useful idiots arranged for protesters to storm state capitals and GOP-affiliated groups to sue their governors to open:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/04/30/armed-protesters-storm-michigan-state-house-over-covid-19-lockdown/#224cdaa69b5cpoutrage then?

    And now you watch to whine like a hypocritical little bitch about protesters?

    That's the Democrat Party.. Doesn't know it's ass from a hole in the ground... :eyeroll:

    Keep rolling your eyes, hypocrite. Maybe you'll find a brain cell back there.

  299. [299] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    284

    You needn't remind us that President "I Alone Can Fix It" -- now commonly referred to as BunkerBitch -- was tweeting from his bunker that governors should be doing his job.

    It is, however, infinitely laughable that BunkerBitch was blaming "Democrat Mayors and Governors" when there were protests in all 50 of these United States with not all of them having a Democratic governor. Trump is not just a pathological lying whiny incompetent president, he's also a clueless one.

  300. [300] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Looks like the The Hennepin County Medical Examiner's report matches the independent autopsy and officially declares the death a homicide.

    106,407 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

  301. [301] 
    TheStig wrote:

    Anybody want to retract something....post 253 maybe? The official autopsy report has been released.

  302. [302] 
    Kick wrote:

    BashiBazouk
    300

    Looks like the The Hennepin County Medical Examiner's report matches the independent autopsy and officially declares the death a homicide.

    Yes, sir. Such are the perils when the dipshits who falsely make claims repeatedly regarding "expertise" and decades as a "law enforcement officer" and keep stating their obvious ridiculous opinions as "facts"... only to have the Hennepin County examiner whom they insist is the "REAL Medical Examiner" to deliver a gut punch to their hysterical "facts."

    Mike's definition of the "REAL Medical Examiner" has declared:

    Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

    Manner of death: Homicide

    How injury occurred: Decedent experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s)

    https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf

    Appears the officers' lawyers have their "mitigating circumstances" with which to hang their case on, but it has definitely been determined by two autopsies that the officers were a causative factor in the homicide of Mr. Floyd, and there are all those eyewitnesses begging the officers to take his knee off his neck and allow him to breathe. Mr. Floyd was face down on the ground and had already been restrained and rear-cuffed with four officers standing over him lying prone in the street. What were they afraid he was going to do if they didn't also smash his face into a paved surface and deprive him of oxygen for multiple minutes and when he stopped moving and became unresponsive and one of the officers took his vitals and declared he couldn't find a pulse to continue in the same fashion for nearly another 3 minutes without ceasing?

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