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Friday Talking Points -- The Whole Sharpiegate Timeline

[ Posted Friday, September 6th, 2019 – 18:06 UTC ]

This is, without doubt, the stupidest American political scandal, ever. Its incredible dumbassedness absolutely puts to shame any other possible contender for the title (such as, just to cite one example: "Barack Obama wore a tan suit! Everybody flee!"). We have officially devolved into seriously moronic territory, folks.

Because it was so prominent all week, we are also pre-empting the rest of our recap of politics this week to focus like a laser beam on the storm of stupidity.

Last weekend, President Donald Trump tweeted out erroneous information that caused some of the residents of the state of Alabama to panic, thinking that Hurricane Dorian was heading for them. Weather scientists immediately corrected Trump's error, and told the citizens of Alabama not to panic, because the storm wasn't coming anywhere near them.

That should have been the end of it (well, after the president himself issued a correction and an apology, which any other United States president would have responsibly done). Sadly for us all, it was not the end of it, but merely the beginning of a Category 5 presidential tantrum with hurricane-force bluster and hot air.

This only reinforces our belief that what we suggested a few months ago would be the ideal Democratic campaign slogan: "Do you really want four more years of this?!?"

Sigh.

For those of you who have been residing under a rock all week, we're going to provide the whole stupid timeline of all the idiocy howling from the Oval Office this week.

 

August 28

Raw computer model data was provided to state and local governments which shows the possible storm paths for Hurricane Dorian. A small minority of these paths (five percent) could have affected Alabama.

 

August 29

Trump is briefed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) on the status of Dorian. While this storm has now lasted more than a week, and while most presidents would get detailed briefings on such an emergency multiple times each day, this appears to be the only briefing Trump paid any attention to at all, as later events have proven. So all the briefings he got since last Thursday have gone in one ear and out the other.

This is consistent with his history on the subject, since Trump again showed amazement that Category 5 hurricanes even exist, despite Dorian being the fourth such storm during his presidency. In those previous cases, Trump also expressed surprise that Category 5 storms existed.

 

September 1

The tweet that launched a thousand denials appears:

In addition to Florida - South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated. Looking like one of the largest hurricanes ever. Already Category 5. BE CAREFUL! GOD BLESS EVERYONE!

Quite obviously, Trump has completely ignored all the hurricane briefings he has received in the previous four days. Note the: "Alabama will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated."

While Trump was tweeting this, the National Hurricane Center forecast was calling for Dorian to miss even Georgia, and that the center of the storm would likely get no closer than 300 miles east of the Alabama border.

 

20 minutes later

The National Weather Service in (pause for dramatic effect...) Birmingham, Alabama tweets out a correction:

Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian. We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane #Dorian will be felt across Alabama. The system will remain too far east.

These guys are obviously frustrated that Trump hasn't been paying attention to any of his briefings for the past four days, during a Category 5 hurricane. By Sunday morning, the storm had already turned north and there was no possible scenario that involved Alabama. They weren't even in danger of experiencing tropical-storm-force winds.

 

Later that day

Trump answers a reporter's question outside the White House: "The original course was dead into Florida. Now it seems to be going up to toward South Carolina, toward North Carolina. Georgia is going to be hit. Alabama is going to get a piece of it, it looks like." Alabama was not, in fact going to "get a piece of it" by this point.

During a briefing at the Federal Emergency Management Agency headquarters, Trump again insisted that Alabama was at risk:

[Hurricane Dorian] may get a little piece of a great place: It's called Alabama. And Alabama could even be in for at least some very strong winds and something more than that, it could be. This just came up, unfortunately. It's the size of -- the storm that we're talking about. So, for Alabama, just please be careful also.

Note that "This just came up" lie, in there, even though this information was four days old and no longer valid.

 

Still later

NOAA, perhaps being pressured by the White House, issues a projection that showed a five percent chance that a tiny sliver of Alabama could get winds exceeding 39 miles per hour, described as: "enough to break twigs off trees and not much more."

 

September 2

Trump tweets, in reaction to the media calling out his Alabama lie: "under certain original scenarios, it was in fact correct that Alabama could have received some 'hurt.'" Note that: "Alabama will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated" has now become: "under certain original scenarios... Alabama could have received some hurt."

 

September 2, 3

Trump cancels his trip to Poland and heads to the golf course during the hurricane crisis. When running for president, he promised he'd never play golf if he were elected. He often ripped Barack Obama for golfing, as well.

London Mayor Sadiq Khan slammed Trump in brutal fashion, stating: "[President Trump] is clearly busy dealing with a hurricane out on the golf course."

Trump tweets back the next day:

The incompetent Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, was bothered that I played a very fast round of golf yesterday. Many Pols exercise for hours, or travel for weeks. Me, I run through one of my courses (very inexpensive). President Obama would fly to Hawaii. Khan should focus on 'knife crime,' which is totally out of control in London. People are afraid to even walk the streets. He is a terrible mayor who should stay out of our business!

We're surprised Trump didn't also insult Khan's golf game. It certainly would have been in character.

 

September 4

Sharpiegate day!

The White House releases a video of Trump talking about the storm. He displays a National Hurricane Center map which he has altered with a Sharpie pen, so that the storm's projected cone of uncertainty includes Alabama. Trump explains: "We had, actually, our original chart was that it was going to be hit -- hitting Florida directly. That was the original chart. It could've, uh, was going towards the Gulf."

Note that during a hurricane actively skirting the Atlantic coast -- an ongoing event during all of this idiocy -- Trump is still fixated on a map that is now almost a week old. And since the map didn't show what he wanted it to show, he just drew on it to make it conform with his altered reality.

When later asked about the altered map, Trump said the following:

I know that Alabama was in the original forecast. They thought it would get it, as a piece of it. We have a better map than that, which is going to be presented where we had many lines going directly, many models -- each line being a model -- and they were going directly through. And in all cases Alabama was hit, if not likely, in some cases pretty hard. It was a different route... they actually gave that a 95 percent chance probability. It turned out that was not what happened. It made the right turn up the coast, but Alabama was hit very hard -- was going to be hit very hard.

As previously noted, there was a five percent chance that Alabama would have gotten enough wind to knock some small branches off of trees, while multiple other states were still being hit hard by Dorian's hurricane-force winds. Trump flipped "1-in-20" to "19-in-20," just because he thought it sounded better.

When asked whether the map had been drawn on with a Sharpie, Trump said: "I don't know. I don't know." Later reporting confirmed that Trump himself was the one to draw on the chart. One Washington Post columnist summed up the stupidity brilliantly: "As smooth moves go, it was lamer than trying to forge a $100 bill by taking a Monopoly $1 bill and writing a couple of extra zeros on it."

 

Legal footnote

Trump apparently broke another law with his fantasy map. From 18 U.S. Code 2074:

Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both.

 

Later

Journalists tried to get NOAA to correct the president's altered map, but the political screws had been tightened. NOAA declined to comment, and referred all questions to the White House, leading one Los Angeles Times reporter to tweet: "Right now we have a U.S. president sharing disinformation about a life-threatening hurricane, and a U.S. government that is declining to correct him."

 

That evening

Late-night comedians have an absolute field day with Sharpiegate. Because, of course, this is the stupidest political scandal ever.

 

September 5

Trump just can't let it go. He again attempts to justify his idiocy by tweeting:

In the early days of the hurricane, when it was predicted that Dorian would go through Miami or West Palm Beach, even before it reached the Bahamas, certain models strongly suggested that Alabama & Georgia would be hit as it made its way through Florida & to the Gulf. Instead it turned North and went up the coast, where it continues now. In the one model through Florida, the Great State of Alabama would have been hit or grazed. In the path it took, no. Read my FULL FEMA statement. What I said was accurate! All Fake News in order to demean!

So now it has changed from: "Alabama will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated" to: "In the one model... Alabama would have been hit or grazed." Initially, Trump tweeted out false information on Sunday -- that Alabama was likely to be hit hard by Dorian -- when all the models showed at the time that it would turn north. He is now arguing that the state at one point in the past was projected to get "hit or grazed."

Trump continues to tweet out maps that are a week or more old.

Meanwhile, the coasts of Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and North Carolina all sustained damage from the storm. Trump is virtually silent about this, preferring instead to obsess over what he said last Sunday, now changing it to argue about what was said last Thursday.

 

Comic relief interlude

Priceless. You just can't make this stuff up, folks:

Late Thursday morning, White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham ribbed CNN about a map that was part of its storm coverage that mistakenly labeled Alabama as Mississippi.

"Hi @CNN, I know you guys are busy analyzing lines on a map, but perhaps you use your time to study up on U.S. geography?" Grisham wrote on Twitter.

CNN responded early Thursday afternoon.

"Thanks, Stephanie," the network's communications team said in a tweet. "Yes, we made a mistake (which we fixed in less than 30 seconds). And now we are admitting it. You all should try it sometime."

 

Media stands up for the truth

Fox News White House correspondent John Roberts reports the actual facts:

The president tweeted out a graphic of hurricane model plots... to prove that Alabama was at risk and some of those tracks did come very close to the eastern part of Alabama. But those spaghetti models were from Thursday, August 28th. By the time the president tweeted about Alabama at 10:51 a.m. on Sunday, the forecast track had moved well east. This is the 8:00 in the morning warning on Sunday the 1st, and you can see they're indicating that Dorian would stay well-off shore and well away from Alabama.

Et tu, Brute? Even Fox News is pointing out the stupidity, which shows you just how egregiously stupid things have gotten. Later in the day, apparently, Trump summoned Roberts to his office, after which Roberts wrote an internal email about the meeting that later got leaked, in which he says that Trump was: "just looking for acknowledgment that he was not wrong for saying that at some point, Alabama was at risk -- even if the situation had changed by the time he issued the tweet. He insisted that it is unfair to say Alabama was never threatened by the storm."

 

Today

Trump's petulance at being proven laughably wrong continues in his storm surge of tweets:

This nonsense has never happened to another President. Four days of corrupt reporting, still without an apology. But there are many things that the Fake News Media has not apologized to me for, like the Witch Hunt, or SpyGate! The LameStream Media and their Democrat partner should start playing it straight. It would be so much better for our Country!

 

The two best reactions, outside of the late-night comedy shows

Pete Buttigieg had the best Democratic response to this storm of idiocy:

What we're seeing there is literally pathetic. It makes you feel a kind of pity for everybody involved, and that's not how I want to feel about the president -- whether it's for my party or the other. This is humiliating. This is an embarrassing moment for our country, and we seem to see a new national embarrassment every day.

But Joe Scarborough had the most scathing reaction of all:

So much of this is just farce, and I have gotten to the point -- I pull my hair out at the ignorance and the nonsense. But in a case like this, he panicked people in Alabama, now he's lying about it, and he's doing that instead of doing what every president I ever dealt with during these storms -- whether it was Bill Clinton or George W. Bush, or governors like Lawton Chiles or Jeb Bush -- I mean, when those storms are about to hit shore, all of their attention and focus was on protecting the people that were in the path of the storm.

Donald Trump, bizarrely enough, was focused on a Sharpie doodle that he had done several days before. And there are of course -- the whole world is watching. There are consequences in Russia and China and Saudi Arabia and across the world that our leader seems this detached and this unstable emotionally.

 

Thus endeth our timeline. For the time being, at least -- we're sure Trump will soon be tweeting something equally as inane as what he's been spewing all week. Trump still hasn't gotten over the lie he told on his first day in office about the size of his inauguration crowd, and it's a pretty safe bet he's not going to let this one go either.

To summarize: the president of the United States barely pays attention to briefings about a deadly storm bearing down on the country. He hears the words "Alabama" and "five percent chance" and that's about all he takes away from a week of briefings. Four days later -- after obviously totally ignoring all the other briefings he got on the storm -- he tweeted out false information that panicked some Alabama residents. Trump didn't care in the least, and has spent the entire rest of the week trying to fit the square peg of his lie into the round hole of reality. Oh, and he also took time off to play golf -- can't forget that one. To prove his lie was the truth, he ham-handedly drew a new line on a weather map that was, at the time, a week old. This broke federal law. Then he silenced the federal scientists whose job it is to provide accurate weather information to the public, because suddenly the whole thing had turned into a political nightmare. Trump continued -- while Dorian was lashing the southeastern Atlantic coast -- to focus on week-old maps and redefining what he originally tweeted so that it bore some (any!) resemblance to the truth.

The only thing that remains to put this incredibly stupid week behind us in just-as-spectacularly-stupid fashion as the rest of the week would be for Trump to travel to Alabama to visit the storm victims.

Think that's too idiotic to happen? Up until this week, we would have thought so too. But no longer. Indeed, it would be the ultimate finale to a week of monumental egotistical stupidity. In fact, we'd put the chances of it happening at 95 percent. Heh.

 

Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week

It's not exactly impressive, but it certainly is a relief to hear that Howard Schultz, head Starbucks honcho, has decided not to launch an independent bid for the presidency. This could have thrown a real monkey wrench in the general election, so it is indeed a relief to hear he's decided not to do so.

They're not Democrats (well, not officially...), but CNN certainly deserves some kudos for putting on a monster of a town hall on climate change this week. The Democratic National Committee laid down rules that any candidate who participates in an unsanctioned debate will be barred from all the official debates, so the candidates could not stand on stage at the same time. Instead, the top 10 candidates appeared for 40 minutes each over a town hall that lasted an astonishing seven hours on CNN. The D.N.C. had also rejected the idea of holding a debate on the single subject of climate change, which is why it was necessary for CNN to step up to the plate. Which they did, and which they really deserve credit for.

Out of all that time, though, only one soundbite will probably be remembered. Which is why Senator Elizabeth Warren wins this week's Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week award for her answer, although we're going to wait until the talking points section of the program to explain why (and to reprint her brilliant answer).

[Congratulate Senator Elizabeth Warren on her Senate contact page, to let her know you appreciate her efforts.]

 

Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week

Joe Biden deserves at least a (Dis-)Honorable Mention for a fundraiser he held this week, which was also pointed out during the CNN debate. One of the people putting the fundraiser on is a former fossil fuel company executive, and a longtime friend of Biden's. Biden had previously signed a pledge not to raise fossil fuel money for his campaign, and his excuses for why he was going ahead with the fundraiser anyway were pretty downright Clintonian in nature.

But in keeping with the spirit of Sharpiegate week, we're going to give the Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week to Marianne Williamson, who singlehandedly proved that Trump isn't the only one capable of tweeting ridiculous things about hurricanes.

In the tweet, which she subsequently deleted (after the backlash), Williamson said:

The Bahamas, Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas...may all be in our prayers now. Millions of us seeing Dorian turn away from land is not a wacky idea; it is a creative use of the power of the mind. Two minutes of prayer, visualization, meditation for those in the way of the storm.

The phrase that got the most attention was the "creative use of the power of the mind." Williamson has struggled throughout her candidacy to be seen as not flaky, and this really didn't help that effort one bit.

But others have piled on to such a degree that we're merely going to award her this week's MDDOTW and move quickly on.

[Marianne Williamson is not a public official, and as a rule we do not provide links to candidates' websites, so you'll have to search her contact information out yourself if you'd like to respond to her.]

 

Friday Talking Points

Volume 541 (9/6/19)

OK, before we begin, we've got an amusing item from across the pond. Boris Johnson is having a pretty rough first week as the new British prime minister, including his very own brother quitting his seat in Parliament. This led pretty much everyone on the internet to make the same joke, which is indeed pretty funny: "Boris Johnson's brother is quitting politics to spend less time with his family." Heh.

OK, enough silliness. This week's talking points are all suggestions for how Democrats should practice answering inane questions posed to them at next week's debate.

We feel this is necessary, for two reasons. The first, as mentioned above, is that Elizabeth Warren just absolutely schooled everyone else on how this should be done (her quote is our first talking point this week).

Here's the problem, in a nutshell. The television networks who put on the official Democratic debates want high ratings. To achieve this, they want as much conflict on stage as possible. To generate such conflict, they bend over backwards in an attempt to get the candidates to attack each other, or to answer Republican talking points. Almost every question is baited to spur some on-stage fireworks.

Democrats need to learn how to deflect the entire framing of such inane questions, and to do so in a way that points out what the journalists are missing (or ignoring). This mostly means pivoting to talking about what the candidate feels about a core issue, or to put Democratic conflict into the context of the man they're all running to defeat.

So here are just a few ways Democrats should consider doing so, in next week's debate.

 

1
   Give me a break!

The CNN moderators focused on three really silly subjects, in what was supposed to be a discussion about climate change. Two of these subjects were whether we should all start using paper straws instead of plastic, and whether cheeseburgers would somehow be outlawed by the Green New Deal. The third was brought up in a question to Warren: "Do you think that the government should be in the business of telling you what kind of light bulb you can have?" Elizabeth Warren refused to take the bait, and knocked her answer out of the park.

Oh come on, give me a break. Look, there are a lot of ways that we try to change our energy consumption and our pollution, and God bless all of those ways. Some of it is with light bulbs, some of it is on straws, some of it, dang, is on cheeseburgers. But this is exactly what the fossil-fuel industry hopes we're all talking about. They want to be able to stir up a lot of controversy around your light bulbs, around your straws, and around your cheeseburgers, when 70 percent of the pollution, of the carbon that we're throwing into the air, comes from three industries. That's where we need to focus.

 

2
   We are absolutely united

This answer has already been given by a few Democrats in the first two debate rounds, but it bears repeating. When the moderators try to make Democrats fight over the differences in their respective healthcare reform plans, a larger point really needs to be made instead.

"You ask that in the hopes that all of us up here are going to gloriously squabble over the slight differences in our vision for the future of America's healthcare. But you know what? Any Democratic president who attempts major changes in our healthcare system is going to have to get his or her proposal through Congress. So there will be plenty of time to hash over the differences between one plan and the others during that congressional debate. But what is most important is that every Democrat on this stage is trying to make healthcare better and more affordable for all Americans. We are absolutely united in this goal, no matter what our differences over how it should be done. Donald Trump and the Republican Party, on the other hand, are in a death spiral of trying to rip health insurance away from as many people as they think they can get away with. For some unfathomable reason, they don't want people to have health insurance, and every single one of their plans reflects this. They would cover far fewer people than are covered today, they would allow the insurance companies to go back to the bad old days when they could refuse coverage to the sick and gouge anyone they wanted to. Democrats are against that sort of thing, and Republicans are for it -- as they've proven time and time again. I think that's what really matters to the voters, not minor differences in implementation."

 

3
   Immigrants are not invaders

Likewise on immigration, which always comes up during these debates.

"You know what? Perhaps I don't agree with Senator Warren or Secretary Castro on every single detail of immigration policy, but what I think we all agree upon is that hatred and xenophobia and bigotry and fear is simply not how America should view immigrants. Donald Trump has stoked fear and hatred of immigrants almost every time he opens his mouth on the subject. His racism runs deep, because it is so obviously apparent in any sentence with the word 'Mexicans' in it. What Democrats believe, and I think I'm speaking for everybody here, is that America should not tear babies from their mothers' arms, we should not put children in cages, we should not separate families, and we should not see immigrants as invaders. We can talk about our slight differences in how we would restore America's moral leadership on the world stage, but that restoration will happen if anyone standing here tonight is elected president -- but if Trump wins, we're in for four more years of hanging our heads in shame before the rest of the world."

 

4
   The whole damn river

Here's one to answer some baited question on gun control.

"You know, the N.R.A. and their bought-and-paid-for Republicans always try to paint Democrats as somehow far outside the mainstream of American political beliefs. But the reality is that we're all in agreement over one basic fundamental change that absolutely needs to take place. Every time a gun changes hands, there should be a background check. Period. No exceptions. No loopholes. And you know what? An astounding ninety-three percent of the public agrees -- in a country where the two sides generally can't agree on much of anything. Over nine in ten Americans support universal background checks, including a majority of Republicans and a majority of gun owners. Our position is not just the mainstream position, it's the whole damn river. Democrats have been fighting to pass universal background checks for years, the people are behind us, and only the N.R.A. and the cravenness of the Republicans are standing in our way. That's just a fact."

 

5
   Someone human, in other words

This one could be used in response to all sorts of silly questions.

"You know what I think America is crying out for right now? A president who understands the concept of empathy. A president who doesn't visit mass shooting victims only to boast of his crowd size. A president who understands that when people are hurting and their lives have been devastated, the correct thing to do is not to playfully toss paper towels at them. A president who understands that times of crisis are times when politics should absolutely be set aside, and not fought bitterly over while millions are still in danger. A president who doesn't have a Category 5 ego. In short, America really needs a president who is humanly capable of feeling another's pain. And anyone up on this stage is capable of that, unlike the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, who never saw a crisis he couldn't make worse by the insertion of his own gargantuan ego."

 

6
   The no golf pledge

Want one that's short and sweet? Here you go.

"You know what? I will pledge right here and now -- and I'd bet that everyone else here tonight would join me in this -- that if a Category 5 hurricane is threatening America's shores, I will not duck out to play a round of golf. I would do everything in my power to help people survive the storm rather than working on my putting game."

 

7
   Let's move the bar back up

And one final one, just because.

"That's a pretty silly question to ask, when we've got a president who thinks he can change reality by drawing on a week-old map with a Sharpie pen. If I am elected, I will hold as many briefings as it takes to understand each issue and every crisis, instead of forcing everyone to boil it all down to a single page with lots of graphics. I promise I will read not only whole paragraphs, but entire briefing books on serious problems. Anyone with a reading level above the fourth grade could do better than what we've got now. And if I ever inadvertently get something wrong -- especially a warning of danger to people who are not at risk -- then I will immediately correct my mistake, and also quickly apologize for making it. I will not spend the entire following week trying to bend reality to match the mistake I made. I do not have an ego which demands that every word I say has to be the truth, because when facts show otherwise, I admit my mistake and move on with the new information. Any sane leader would make such a promise. I mean, each time I think Trump can't possibly set the bar any lower, he goes right ahead and moves it even further downwards. If I'm elected president, I swear to set the bar as high as possible instead of searching for creative new ways to embarrass myself, my political party, and the entire United States of America."

-- Chris Weigant

 

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215 Comments on “Friday Talking Points -- The Whole Sharpiegate Timeline”

  1. [1] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    I suppose "Sharpiegate" was such low hanging fruit that you just couldn't resist. But with so much more important things going on and the certainty that Trump will push the bar even lower in a matter of days, I wish you didn't blow a column on this silliness. On the other hand your FTPs were better than usual, and that's saying a lot because your FTP sets the bar so high.

  2. [2] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    oop - while you were writing, Trump just set the bar a bit lower. First, by having the crews of C-17 cargo planes refuel at a commercial station nearby his Scottish Golf Course. The crew stayed (at taxpayer expense) at the golf course overnight.

    Then, while our heads reeled from that came word that Trump's been holding back money from Ukraine because he wants the government there to dig up dirt on Joe Biden.

    Bang! Bang! Trump starts another scandal, just in time for the weekend. Really, just how much does he think that the American people can take?

  3. [3] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    MtnCaddy - I can answer that: it's ALL low hanging fruit, that's why he gets away with it.

  4. [4] 
    Michale wrote:

    This is, without doubt, the stupidest American political scandal, ever. Its incredible dumbassedness absolutely puts to shame any other possible contender for the title (such as, just to cite one example: "Barack Obama wore a tan suit! Everybody flee!"). We have officially devolved into seriously moronic territory, folks.

    NOAA backs Trump on Alabama forecast, and rebukes Weather Service office that accurately contradicted him

    WASHINGTON - The federal agency that oversees the National Weather Service has sided with President Donald Trump over its own scientists in the ongoing controversy over whether Alabama was at risk of a direct hit from Hurricane Dorian.

    In a statement released Friday afternoon, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) stated Alabama was in fact threatened by the storm at the time Trump tweeted Alabama would "most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated."

    Referencing archived hurricane advisories, the NOAA statement said that information provided to the president and the public between Aug. 28 and Sept. 2 "demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama."
    https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/NOAA-backs-Trump-on-Alabama-forecast-and-rebukes-14420459.php

    Looks like ya just wasted an entire FTP, CW.. :D

    Don't ya wish you would have waited just ONE MORE DAY?? :D

    I am SURE that an admission of being TOTALLY and UTTERLY wrong and a sincere apology is on tap from everyone here, eh?? :D

  5. [5] 
    Michale wrote:

    But let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we..

    Early forecasts had Dorian moving south of FL into the Gulf Of Mexico and did indeed, have FL/MS/AL in the cross hairs..

    President Trump probably caught a glimpse that and that is what stuck with him... Simple explanation..
    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/09/04/biden-trump-and-the-fonz/#comment-143038

    Ooooooo This has just GOT to burn ya'all up, eh??

    I look forward to the coming apologies from ALL who attacked and ridiculed President Trump.. :D

  6. [6] 
    Michale wrote:

    Let me try that first comment again..

    This is, without doubt, the stupidest American political scandal, ever. Its incredible dumbassedness absolutely puts to shame any other possible contender for the title (such as, just to cite one example: "Barack Obama wore a tan suit! Everybody flee!"). We have officially devolved into seriously moronic territory, folks.

    NOAA backs Trump on Alabama forecast, and rebukes Weather Service office that accurately contradicted him

    WASHINGTON - The federal agency that oversees the National Weather Service has sided with President Donald Trump over its own scientists in the ongoing controversy over whether Alabama was at risk of a direct hit from Hurricane Dorian.

    In a statement released Friday afternoon, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) stated Alabama was in fact threatened by the storm at the time Trump tweeted Alabama would "most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated."

    Referencing archived hurricane advisories, the NOAA statement said that information provided to the president and the public between Aug. 28 and Sept. 2 "demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama."
    https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/NOAA-backs-Trump-on-Alabama-forecast-and-rebukes-14420459.php

    Looks like ya just wasted an entire FTP, CW.. :D

    Don't ya wish you would have waited just ONE MORE DAY?? :D

    I am SURE that an admission of being TOTALLY and UTTERLY wrong and a sincere apology is on tap from everyone here, eh?? :D

  7. [7] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ahh yes.. MUCH better..

    :D

  8. [8] 
    Michale wrote:


    Agency reverses course on Trump’s Alabama hurricane claim

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal agency reversed course Friday on the question of whether President Donald Trump tweeted stale information about Hurricane Dorian potentially hitting Alabama, upsetting meteorologists around the country.

    On Sunday, Trump had warned that Alabama, along with the Carolinas and Georgia, was “most likely to be hit (much) harder than anticipated.”

    The National Weather Service in Birmingham, Alabama, tweeted later: “Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian. We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane #Dorian will be felt across Alabama. The system will remain too far east.”

    But the president has been adamant throughout the week that he was correct, and the White House has deployed government resources and staff to back him.

    The latest defense came out Friday evening, when the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration issued a statement from an unidentified spokesman stating that information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to the president had demonstrated that “tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama.” The advisories were dated from last Wednesday, Aug. 28, through Monday, the statement read.

    Friday’s statement also said the Birmingham NWS tweet Sunday morning “spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time.”

    The statement from NOAA contrasts with comments the agency’s spokesman, Chris Vaccaro, made Sunday. “The current forecast path of Dorian does not include Alabama,” Vaccaro said at the time.

    Friday’s NOAA statement, released just before 5 p.m., points to a few graphics issued by the National Hurricane Center to support Trump’s claims. The maps show percentage possibility of tropical storm force winds in the United States. Parts of Alabama were covered, usually with 5% to 10% chances, between Aug. 27 and Sept. 3. Maps on Aug. 30 grew to cover far more of Alabama, but for only 12 hours, and the highest percentage hit 20% to 30% before quickly shrinking back down.
    https://apnews.com/b77db47e44954ee4b4ab948c3d898d8d

    Oooooo The burning shame ya'all must feel right now, eh? :D

    Don't tell me, let me guess..

    Ya'all's excuse is going to be this is "FAKE NEWS", eh?? :D

    How utterly President Trumpian of ya'all?? :D

  9. [9] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Wait a minute. One more.. Just one more.. Why did the soldier flush the toilet? Because it was his DOOTY!!"
    -Vanillope Von Schweet, WRECK IT RALPH

    :D

    Statement from NOAA

    From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama. This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed at the following link.

    The Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time.

    Ach... Doth my eyes deceive me!?? :D

    And here is the link to the graphics that PROVE ya'all were completely and utterly WRONG about President Trump and his claims..

    https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2019/DORIAN_graphics.php?product=wind_probs_34_F120

    The OFFICIAL NOAA archive with the FACTS that PROVE President Trump was factually accurate all along and that YA'ALL were 1000% WRONG.. AGAIN...

    I have a feeling this is going to be a very VERY quiet Friday Talking Points. :D

    I am making a bet with myself only TWO people here in Weigantia will have the courage and the integrity-fortitude to admit they were wrong and render a sincere apology to President Trump.. :D

    "Good day gentlemen. And a great day for America, eh??"
    -Will Smith, MEN IN BLACK III
    :D

  10. [10] 
    Michale wrote:

    So.. Let's address this FTP directly, eh? :D

    Media stands up for the truth

    Fox News White House correspondent John Roberts reports the actual facts:

    Apparently... NOT.. :D

    Thus endeth our timeline. For the time being, at least -- we're sure Trump will soon be tweeting something equally as inane as what he's been spewing all week. Trump still hasn't gotten over the lie he told on his first day in office about the size of his inauguration crowd, and it's a pretty safe bet he's not going to let this one go either.

    Of course President Trump is not going to let this one go..

    He was totally and utterly factually accurate and ya'all and ALL the people you quoted were 1000% WRONG...

    Might I add.. *AGAIN*.. again?? I might! :D

  11. [11] 
    Michale wrote:

    For those of you who have been residing under a rock all week, we're going to provide the whole stupid timeline of all the idiocy howling from the Oval Office this week.

    Ooops.. Looks like we have an error in your timeline..

    Allow me to fill in the error.. And I'll use a SHARPIE because.. well... that's what you use when you need to fill in THE FACTS..

    07 Sep 2019

    A statement from the NOAA placed on the NOAA website shows that President Trump has been factually accurate all along and that all the people who attacked and ridiculed President Trump were.. WRONG.. There is even the graphic archive that shows UNEQUIVOCALLY that Alabama was, indeed, in the cone of influence of Dorian..

    THERE... NOW your timeline is complete..

    "What can I say except, 'YOU'RE WELCOME'..."
    -Maui, MOANA

    :D

  12. [12] 
    Michale wrote:

    {{cccchhhhhiiiiirrrrrppppppp}} {{ccccchhhhiiiirrrrrppppp}}

    What were we just talking about a day or so ago???

    Oh yea... That's right..

    Ya'all were talking about how President Trump can never admit he is wrong...

    Looks like the glove is on the other foot now, eh!?? :D

  13. [13] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Balthasar,

    If it will help, we can talk about that OTHER subject that I kicked ya'all's ass on recently.

    They hysterical and ridiculous Anti-Gun stance of the Hysterical Left...

    If ya think it would help.. :D

    Always lookin' out for my little buddy.. :D

  14. [14] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ten days ago, computer model predictions did present a scenario in which Dorian would strike Florida, enter the Gulf of Mexico and potentially affect Alabama.
    https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/NOAA-backs-Trump-on-Alabama-forecast-and-rebukes-14420459.php

    Hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm Where have I seen this before...???

    Oh yea.. THAT'S right...

    Early forecasts had Dorian moving south of FL into the Gulf Of Mexico and did indeed, have FL/MS/AL in the cross hairs..

    President Trump probably caught a glimpse that and that is what stuck with him... Simple explanation..
    -Michale

    Once again.. I rule.. Weigantians drool.. :D

  15. [15] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michael

    Congratulations on successfully completing your courses at Trump U. Your certificates of achievement in

    * Orange You Gullible?
    and
    * Trump Cock Holstery

    will be printed and laminated and on their way from the Trump Swamp to your very own Shit Hole upon receipt of your check or money order in the amount of $10,000 per course.

    Act now, and a free lifesize cutout of Your Worship will be delivered at no extra charge. We promised you a meeting with the Donald, and he can't wait to see you!*

    Congratulations again, Mike!

    You're officially a graduate of Trump U!

    ________________
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  16. [16] 
    Michale wrote:

    Because it was so prominent all week, we are also pre-empting the rest of our recap of politics this week to focus like a laser beam on the storm of stupidity.

    By all means.. Focus like a laser beam on the storm of stupidity.. :D

    Just don't point it at ya'all's eyes.. I wouldn't want you to damage ya'all's sight.. :D

    These guys are obviously frustrated that Trump hasn't been paying attention to any of his briefings for the past four days, during a Category 5 hurricane. By Sunday morning, the storm had already turned north and there was no possible scenario that involved Alabama. They weren't even in danger of experiencing tropical-storm-force winds.

    Actually, this is not factual on a couple different levels..

    First, and most obvious, the "guys" at NWS, Birmingham were wrong.. Based on the information given to President Trump by the NOAA at the time, Alabama WAS within the cone of influence of Dorian...

    Secondly, the "guys" weren't frustrated at all by President Trump's tweet because at the time they made their comment, they hadn't SEEN President Trump's tweet..

    “The irony in all of this Twitter mess is that the tweet we sent out had nothing to do with what Trump tweeted, we had no knowledge of it at the time.”
    -Alex Sizemore, Birmingham Meteorologist

    So, no matter HOW you want to spin it, it's wrong.. TWICE...

    I am sure I'll have more FACTS to share as the morning progresses.. :D

  17. [17] 
    Michale wrote:

    Apparently, the FACTS are not clear to Daddy's Little Cockholster, Victoria..

    Statement from NOAA

    From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama. This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed at the following link.

    The Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time.
    https://www.noaa.gov/news/statement-from-noaa

    So, once again.. I rule.. Bitches and cockholsters drool

    :D

    More HHPTDS for ya'all to suffer from.. :D

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  18. [18] 
    Michale wrote:

    First, Hysterical Left Wingers get totally dumped on by their golden boy Mueller...

    THEN, the NOAA, a government agency whose word is gospel when it comes to the bullshit con that is Global Warming, backs President Trump to the hilt and chastises the NWS for their stoopid and fact-less tweet...

    Looks like ya'all picked a bad year to stop doing whatever you do to make it thru President Trump's America!! :D

    "I got rice cooking in the microwave
    I got a three day beard I don't plan to shave
    It's a goofy thing but I just gotta say, hey,
    I'm doing alright

    Yeah I think I'll make me some home-made soup
    I'm feeling pretty good and that's the truth
    It's neither drink nor drug induced, no,
    I'm just doing alright

    And it's a great day to be alive
    I know the sun's still shining
    When I close my eyes
    There's some hard times in the neighborhood
    But why can't every day be just this good

    -Travis Tritt

    :D

    Why can't EVERY DAY be just this good.. :D

  19. [19] 
    Michale wrote:

    @MtnCaddy,

    I suppose "Sharpiegate" was such low hanging fruit that you just couldn't resist. But with so much more important things going on and the certainty that Trump will push the bar even lower in a matter of days, I wish you didn't blow a column on this silliness.

    Yea, that's what I said.. I am sure CW is kicking himself for blowing an entire FTP on ya'all's silliness and Trump/America hate.... :D

  20. [20] 
    Michale wrote:

    Bang! Bang! Trump starts another scandal, just in time for the weekend. Really, just how much does he think that the American people can take?

    And all yer spewing is JUST as moronic and totally bullshit as your SharpieGate "scandal" is..

    How many times do ya'all have to be utterly, totally and unequivocally WRONG before ya give up the spewaged bullshit and lies???

    How many?? Give me a number.

    Because ya'all are well over 2 million bullshit TRUMP IS TOAST claims..

    :D

    It's a great day to be an American.. :D

  21. [21] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale

    Here's an actual fact: Your ignorant use of the incorrect term "cone of influence" is hysterical.

    But if you're just going to make shit up, I guess a weather forecast that is multiple days old where the President of the United States has violated federal law in order to alter the "cone of uncertainty" with a black Sharpie so that it would match his incorrect weather forecast sent via tweet might as well be called the "cone of influence."

    I would simply add the word "fake" in there somewhere:

    * Fake cone of influence
    * Cone of fake influence

    It's your invented bullshit, you choose! :)

  22. [22] 
    Kick wrote:

    Trump Sycophants:

    Let me explain this in terms that even the uneducated morons might understand.

    Question: Was Alabama hit much harder than anticipated?
    Answer: No, it wasn't hit at all.

    Donald Trump tweeted on Sunday that the threat to Alabama had increased from earlier in the week. However, the path of Dorian had actually shifted away from the State of Alabama by the time of Trump's tweeted forecast. A "forecast" by definition is a prediction of future events.

    The subsequent providing of obsolete weather forecasts that had shown the storm had at a time in the past posed a potential threat to the State of Alabama does not prove that Trump's tweeted weather forecast on Sunday was correct; it actually proves that the threat to the State of Alabama had decreased at the time Trump sent his tweet characterizing that "Alabama will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated."

    Are y'all really this dumb?

  23. [23] 
    Michale wrote:

    I guess it's true in here what they say about elections..

    If yer explaining, yer losing.. :D

    And no amount of equivocating or debating what the word 'is' means will change one simple fact..

    Statement from NOAA

    From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama. This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed at the following link.

    The Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time.
    https://www.noaa.gov/news/statement-from-noaa

    Ya'all were WRONG...

    And, to date, NO ONE here can admit they are wrong..

    Ya'all are JUST like you accuse President Trump of being..

    Ya can't admit when yer wrong.. :D

  24. [24] 
    Michale wrote:

    NOAA backs president, rebukes Weather Service...
    Agency reverses course on Trump's Alabama hurricane claim...

    WASHINGTON - The federal agency that oversees the National Weather Service has sided with President Donald Trump over its own scientists in the ongoing controversy over whether Alabama was at risk of a direct hit from Hurricane Dorian.

    In a statement released Friday afternoon, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) stated Alabama was in fact threatened by the storm at the time Trump tweeted Alabama would "most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated."

    Referencing archived hurricane advisories, the NOAA statement said that information provided to the president and the public between Aug. 28 and Sept. 2 "demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama."

    President Trump was factually accurate..

    Ya'all were full of shit when you claimed he was full of shit..

    It's THAT simple.. :D

  25. [25] 
    Michale wrote:

    "The Birmingham National Weather Service's Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time."
    -NOAA Statement

    NOAA bitch slaps Birmingham National Weather Service.. :D

    Again.. Nothing but facts..

    Ya'all?? Nothing but hysterical Trump/America hate..

    It's THAT simple...

  26. [26] 
    TheStig wrote:

    This sorry incident clearly illustrates Trump's world view.

    Life is a game of golf. Cheat to win. If caught, deny it.

  27. [27] 
    Michale wrote:

    This sorry incident clearly illustrates Trump's world view.

    Life is a game of golf. Cheat to win. If caught, deny it.

    And yet, it's the Trump/America haters who got caught in the web of their own bullshit..

    Trump/America haters tried to cheat.. They got caught..

    End of story.. :D

    But like I said.. Ya'all are JUST like you accuse President Trump of..

    Ya'all CAN'T admit ya'all are wrong..

    I still hold out hope that the two I wagered on will do the honorable thing. The just and morally courageous thing..

  28. [28] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Meteorologists are outraged at NOAA's capitulation.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/meteorologists-react-noaa-hurricane-alabama

    Many are wondering just who the 'unknown' spokesperson is, so that they can ask some questions such as: "But weren't the meteorologists in Alabama right when they said the Hurricane wouldn't hit them?" and "But wasn't Trump's tweet a few days later?" and the like.

    Colbert says that since it involves water, we should call it "Water-Gate". Has a ring to it.

  29. [29] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    More coming in. The Atlantic says that the NOAA statement wasn't signed by NOAA's acting Director, Neil Jacobs. Who authorized it?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/09/noaa-trump-hurricane-dorian-alabama/597628/

  30. [30] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    NOAA says that it predicted a 5-10% chance that 40 mile winds would hit Alabama but it never happened. What kind of crap is that?

    So if Trump says it, it's true even if it's not.

    Right.

  31. [31] 
    Michale wrote:

    Meteorologists are outraged at NOAA's capitulation.

    Trump/America haters are outraged at NOAA's capitulation.

    There, Balthy..

    Fixed it for you..

    More coming in. The Atlantic says that the NOAA statement wasn't signed by NOAA's acting Director, Neil Jacobs. Who authorized it?

    You just CAN'T handle the facts, can you??

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    The director doesn't "sign" statements put up on the NOAA Official Website... DUH...

    Face reality, Balthy.

    YA'ALL LOST.. AGAIN..

    YA'ALL WERE WRONG.. AGAIN..

    You simply can't admit you were wrong.. You simply can't admit that the FACTS back up President Trump's claim.

  32. [32] 
    Michale wrote:

    I speak of the inability of the Fonz to ever use the word "wrong" when applied to himself. He just couldn't say "I was wrong," no matter how hard he tried. This was played as a comedy bit, but while it was funny on television it's not such a laughing matter in the real world of politics.
    -CW

    Actually, that's not factually accurate..

    Ya'all being totally incapable of saying ya'all were wrong about something President Trump related??

    That's FRAKING hilarious!!!!!

    :D

  33. [33] 
    Michale wrote:

    NOAA says that it predicted a 5-10% chance that 40 mile winds would hit Alabama but it never happened. What kind of crap is that?

    The kind of crap where you claim President Trump lied about the possibility and, then, when the NOAA (An organization whose word is gospel when they spew the Global Warming BS) backs up the President, ya'all STILL refuse to accept the FACTS..

    In other words, the same kinda crap that happens every day, every hour, here in Weigantia...

  34. [34] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    As long as we are wasting time on unimportant nonsense, how aboot this Neil Young hurricane parody?

    "Trump is like a hemarrhoid
    a pain in the ass
    And I'm getting so annoyed
    I wanna hit him with a baseball bat
    unlike OJ I'd never get away with that."

    PS- Why does spell check tell me the dictionary spelling of hemarrhoid is wrong but not wanna?

  35. [35] 
    Michale wrote:

    And for ya'all and the Trump/America haters...???

    Weather agency now backs Trump, says Dorian could have impacted Alabama

    The federal agency that monitors hurricanes said Friday that Hurricane Dorian could have impacted Alabama, backing claims by President Trump that he was right to tweet a warning over the weekend about the storm affecting the state.

    In an unsigned statement, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) said that "information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama." The advisories in question were dated from Wednesday, Aug. 28 to Monday, Sept. 2, the agency said.

    The statement points to a few graphics issued by the National Hurricane Center to support Trump's claims. The maps show percentage possibility of tropical storm force winds in the United States. Parts of Alabama were covered, usually with 5 percent to 10 percent chances, between Aug. 27 and Sept. 3. Maps on Aug. 30 grew to cover far more of Alabama, but for only 12 hours, and the highest percentage hit 20 percent to 30 percent before quickly shrinking back down.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/weather-officials-say-dorian-could-have-impacted-alabama-as-trump-said

    ... the hits just keep on comin'!!! :D

  36. [36] 
    Michale wrote:

    As long as we are wasting time on unimportant nonsense,

    All they have around here is Anti-Trump unimportant nonsense..

    And, more likely than not, it blows up in their faces...

    Like today.. :D

  37. [37] 
    Michale wrote:

    “The Fake News Media was fixated on the fact that I properly said, at the beginnings of Hurricane Dorian, that in addition to Florida & other states, Alabama may also be grazed or hit. They went Crazy, hoping against hope that I made a mistake (which I didn’t). Check out maps.....”
    -President Donald Trump

    A completely factually accurate statement.

    Unlike the claims from the Weigantian Peanut Gallery... :D

  38. [38] 
    Michale wrote:

    Jason Riley: 'SharpieGate' shows press will stress any 'petty' controversy to hurt Trump

    President Trump proved once again the press will attack him on even the smallest controversy -- after what was dubbed, "SharpieGate" materialized, according to Jason Riley.

    Nothing was gained from the dayslong back-and-forth between the president and the media over Trump's claim that Hurricane Dorian could potentially affect Alabama, Riley said Friday on "Special Report."

    "We've learned nothing new here," he said.

    "We learned Trump won't back down from a fight. We learned that there is no controversy that is too petty or stupid for the press to harp on that paints this president in a bad light."
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/jason-riley-sharpiegate-shows-press-will-stress-any-petty-controversy-to-hurt-trump

    This is CovfefeGate all over again..

    Like I said before, ya'all's Trump/America have has absolutely NO THROTTLE...

    It's ALWAYS MAXED OUT 1000% Hysterical...

  39. [39] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    How aboot this as an answer to the inane questions?

    I could answer that ridiculous question with a reference to Trump and some empty promises aboot what I will do if elected, but I would rather talk aboot the action I am taking now to solve the one problem that effects every other problem- big money corrupting our political process.

    Rather than offering empty promises of future legislation while I run my campaign using big money which perpetuates the problem, I am running a real small donor campaign using only contributions from individuals in the aggregate amount of 200 dollars per donor (200 primary, 200 general).

    This is real action I am taking now instead of trying to pass off a small contribution campaign as a small donor campaign by touting the size of average contributions. The reality is that a fifty dollar contribution is a small contribution but many donors make more than one contribution and it is their total contributions that determine whether a donor is a small donor or big money donor. So a donor that started sending weekly 50 dollar contributions in the spring of 2019 will have made over 2000 dollars in aggregate contributions by the spring of 2020. Not a small donor.

    As a candidate I am asking citizens to trust me. And if I expect citizens to trust me, I should show citizens I trust them.

    The candidates taking big money trust citizens to buy into the deception of a small contribution campaign pretending to be a small donor campaign and the empty promises of future legislation.

    I trust citizens to recognize a candidate with the courage to do the right thing now and to support that candidate.

  40. [40] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    It seems the MDDOTW award is backwards.

    Williamson should have got the dishonorable mention as Biden's offense is clearly worse.

    But I guess he couldn't really be the most disappointing Dem since almost all Dems are doing something similar.

  41. [41] 
    Michale wrote:

    DH,

    I'll be the first to admit I know nothing about your project..

    But from what I have gleaned from discussions is that it's a very altruistic concept that fails to take into account human nature..

    NO ONE trusts a politician..

    And NO Politician will trust their constituents..

  42. [42] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Sweet Jesus, people, this whole episode epitimizes the spirit of the old saying about a "Tempest (hurricane) in a teapot."

    Who gives a pinch of shit as to whether the weather service, or Trump, or anybody else, was right OR wrong about where the 'Tempest' was headed.

    Trump makes more than enough verbal screw-ups on his own, without Weigantians/Democratics having to invent fake ones!!

  43. [43] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yunno, people.. I get it..

    This is like the NY GRIME fiasco all over again..

    The hysterical Trump/America haters attack any group that is on their "side" but still gives President Trump credit where credit is due or backs President Trump when the FACTS warrant it..

    It happens time and time again...

    Then it was the NY GRIME, now it's the NOAA...

    It's so perfectly clear to anyone not a slave to Party dogma..

  44. [44] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump makes more than enough verbal screw-ups on his own, without Weigantians/Democratics having to invent fake ones!!

    EXACTLY my point..

    If President Trump is as bad as the hysterical Trump/America haters claim..

    Why do they have to make up shit to attack home over??

    Who gives a pinch of shit as to whether the weather service, or Trump, or anybody else, was right OR wrong about where the 'Tempest' was headed.

    It's hilarious.. JL and I discussed this a couple days ago when every one still believed Trump was lying... (Turns out it was everyone else who were lying)

    Hurricane forecasters turn out to be WRONG all the time.. Hell, Dorian was all over the place as far as predictions goes.. NO ONE here ever says "BOO" about that..

    But let President Trump make a claim based on his OFFICIAL NOAA briefing that turns out to be wrong???

    And the Trump/America haters are beet read with hysterical hatred..

    Rinse.. Repeat... :eyeroll:

  45. [45] 
    Michale wrote:

    National Weather Service workers are 'disgusted' at their NOAA bosses for 'throwing them under the bus' and backing Trump's claim that Hurricane Dorian WAS headed for Alabama as 'Sharpiegate' rumbles on
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7438183/Government-workers-irate-NOAA-bosses-throwing-bus.html

    Let me adjust the headline to reflect reality..

    National Weather Service Workers who are Trump/America hater are 'disgusted' at their NOAA bosses for 'throwing them under the bus' and backing Trump's claim that Hurricane Dorian WAS headed for Alabama as 'Sharpiegate' rumbles on

    NOW it's factually accurate and reflects the reality..

  46. [46] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, in other news..

    WHAT LIES BENEATH Hurricane Dorian – Bahamas floodwaters invaded by SHARKS as dad is forced to throw son, 5, on roof to escape predator circling in streets
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9877387/hurricane-dorian-bahamas-floodwaters-sharks-as-dad-is-forced-to-throw-son-5-on-roof/

    And ya'all thought SHARKNADO was just a movie!! :D

  47. [47] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    No one trusts the politicians because the politicians do not trust the citizens.

    And trust is not an entitlement- as John Houseman used to say you have to EARN it.

    One Demand does take human nature into account.

    It is based on the fact that human nature often leads to people not doing something they should do unless they have to.

    So citizens demanding that candidates run small donor campaigns to earn their trust and their vote instead of buying into the deception from the big money candidates from both parties is how citizens can force candidates do something they should do but currently don't feel they have to.

    And not having any politicians that citizens can trust should not be a reason to accept politicians they can't trust. It should be enough reason for citizens to realize they have to do something they don't want to do- take action now.

  48. [48] 
    Michale wrote:

    No one trusts the politicians because the politicians do not trust the citizens.

    And trust is not an entitlement- as John Houseman used to say you have to EARN it.

    Yep.. Exactly...

    And not having any politicians that citizens can trust should not be a reason to accept politicians they can't trust. It should be enough reason for citizens to realize they have to do something they don't want to do- take action now.

    I get ya.. In a perfect world, it would be as you say...

    Unfortunately, it's not a perfect world.

  49. [49] 
    Michale wrote:

    "He tried to gaslight the country once again today, this time on whether Hurricane Dorian had ever threatened Alabama. It didn't"
    -CW

    "Mr. President. That.. is NOT entirely accurate.."
    -SecDef Nimzicki, INDEPENDENCE DAY

    :D

  50. [50] 
    Michale wrote:

    But the truly laughable part was that someone -- either Trump or some Trump toady trying to bend reality to Our Dear Leader's proclamations -- had taken a Sharpie pen to the map and drawn in an extra loop onto the cone of possible storm tracks, so that a tiny slice of Alabama was included. The alteration was so poorly done that it was hilarious to think Trump thought he could pull this wool over anyone's eyes. The map wasn't altered by computer. This was no hastily Photoshopped image. It only took five seconds for someone (someone with tiny hands, perhaps?) to draw the extra loop directly onto the printed-out map.

    Which proves it wasn't DESIGNED to "fool" anyone but rather to reflect the reality of what President Trump was told and shown in his NOAA briefing.

    But, of course ya'all have to make it out to be something nefarious when it actually wasn't..

  51. [51] 
    Michale wrote:

    Like I said..

    Awful quiet here in the FTP today.. :D

    "Gee!! I wonder why that is!!"
    -Kevin Spacey, THE NEGOTIATOR

    :D

  52. [52] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hehehehehehehehe Can I call it here in Weigantian or what!!! :D

    That's what is so sad about ya'all's HHPTDS...

    It's so damn PREDICTABLE.... :D

  53. [53] 
    Michale wrote:

    NOAA draws backlash after disavowing Weather Service tweet that refuted Trump

    A National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) statement affirming President Trump's remarks over the threat of Hurricane Dorian to Alabama is drawing sharp backlash from meteorologists and former officials.

    Several former officials have accused the administration of caving to political pressure after NOAA disavowed a days-old tweet from the National Weather Service (NWS) that refuted Trump's claim about the storm's path.
    https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/460371-noaa-gets-backlash-after-disavowing-weather-service-tweet-that

    Dem crazy ass'ed liberals and progressives and Trump/America haters don't LIKE it when their delusions are fraked with!!!!

    This is the NY GRIME debacle all over again.. :D

    "I'm lovin' it!!"
    -McDonalds

    :D

  54. [54] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Former top officials of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration are assailing the agency for undermining its weather forecasters as it defends President Donald Trump’s statement from days ago that Hurricane Dorian threatened Alabama.

    I guarantee you that the perpetrator of this crime will turn out to be a Trump appointee. He got it in on Friday, knowing that his staff (and others) are out until Monday...

  55. [55] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    As bad as NOAA's actions are, they're covering up a much bigger story.

    TRUMP ORDERS MILITARY TO DO HIS BIDDING.

    See post #2 for details.

  56. [56] 
    Michale wrote:

    I guarantee you that the perpetrator of this crime will turn out to be a Trump appointee. He got it in on Friday, knowing that his staff (and others) are out until Monday...

    Of course you would think that...

    Yer in complete and utter denial..

    TRUMP ORDERS MILITARY TO DO HIS BIDDING.

    OH MY GOD!!!! The Commander In Chief gave an order and the military carries it out!!!

    "OH MY GOD, WHAT A FUCKING NIGHTMARE!!!"
    -Marissa Tomeii, MY COUSIN VINNY

    Yer falling apart dood.. Your ENTIRE world is crumbling right before your eyes!!

    It's HYSTERICALLY funny!!!!! :D

  57. [57] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Hey Mike -

    I have to notice that you've been silent on this news story. I know that there's not much, but re-directing C-17's and using Military aid as extortion funds are definitely NOT in a president's playbook...

  58. [58] 
    Michale wrote:

    I guarantee you that the perpetrator of this crime will turn out to be a Trump appointee.

    What "crime" are you talking about??

    The FACTS are clear.. You have seen the NOAA data...

    President Trump was ACCURATE in what he said...

    You just can't handle the FACTS...

  59. [59] 
    Michale wrote:

    I have to notice that you've been silent on this news story. I know that there's not much, but re-directing C-17's and using Military aid as extortion funds are definitely NOT in a president's playbook...

    Because it's just as much bullshit as your Russia Collusion bullshit..

    It's JUST as much bullshit as your Sharpie Gate bullshit..

    You have NOTHING but bullshit..

    NOTHING.. ZIP... ZILCH... NADA....

    Yer cracking up, dood...

    I predicted this would happen.. You people are LOSING it..

  60. [60] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    No, the Military is not the President's toy.

    He can't have them flying all over Europe to prop up his golf courses, and he sure can't extort Ukraine.

    Didn't anyone tell him these things?

  61. [61] 
    Michale wrote:

    But if you want to give me the link, I'll be GLAD... ECSTATIC to poke holes in your bullshit and give you the FACTS....

    What are friends for, eh?? :D

  62. [62] 
    Michale wrote:

    No, the Military is not the President's toy.

    No one said it is..

    But the President *IS* Commander In Chief of the military and the military obeys the orders of the President..

    Even if YOU don't like it.. Or him..

    He can't have them flying all over Europe to prop up his golf courses, and he sure can't extort Ukraine.

    And your FACTS to support these claims are....?????

  63. [63] 
    Balthasar wrote:
  64. [64] 
    Michale wrote:

    I get it, Balthy.. I really do..

    You are DESPERATE to distract from this latest bitch slap in the face the Trump/America haters has just received..

    I don't blame you..

    But it's over.. Ya'all lost... AGAIN...

    Lick your wounds and come back to fight another day...

  65. [65] 
    Balthasar wrote:
  66. [66] 
    Michale wrote:

    Aww right..

    Right off the bat.. Mother Jones is about as reliable as Brietbart...

    So, that's STRIKE ONE..

    But, I'll read the link because I said I would..

    As I suspected.. Not a SINGLE FACT to support the claim..

    It's funny.. You have NO PROBLEM when Democrats investigate Trump Russia links..

    But, yer hysterically indignant when the US Government investigate Ukraine Biden links..

    Bit o a double standard there eh, sonny??

    But as I suspected.. it's nothing...

    Just another smoke-screen to cover up the latest progressive/liberal/Democrat embarrassment..

    But I will grant you this..

    President Trump was utterly and completely wrong...

    I am ***NOT*** tired of winning.. :D

  67. [67] 
    Michale wrote:

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/uncharted-waters-in-terms-of-presidential-corruption-maddow-breaks-down-trumps-turnberry-scandal/

    That's the first draft.

    MadCow????

    BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    You mean, the LUSER who so struck out with Russia Collusion that her ratings IMMEDIATELY tanked!!??

    THAT MadCow!!??? :D

    So, MotherJones and MadCow... THOSE are your sources...

    I actually feel sorry for ya, Balthasar.. To see you reduced to this...???

    It's sad......

  68. [68] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    The second half of the Rachel Maddow link should have clued you in. Trump has until Sept. 30th to make the money available to that country, and he's apparently making it crystal clear that no dirt equals no money.

    Reverse the situation: if it were Obama, you'd be screaming at the rafters right now.

  69. [69] 
    Michale wrote:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-has-near-coughing-fit-and-calls-trump-president-hump-at-new-hampshire-democratic-party-convention

    Apparently, Biden needs to release his medical records..

    I am sure those here who scream loud and long for President Trump's tax records will join in the chorus of those who demand Biden's health records..

    Right???

  70. [70] 
    Michale wrote:

    The second half of the Rachel Maddow link should have clued you in. Trump has until Sept. 30th to make the money available to that country, and he's apparently making it crystal clear that no dirt equals no money.

    It's MadCow.... 'nuff said..

    She got so burned by the Russia Collusion delusion, she is DESPERATE to be relevant and will say ANYTHING to get that way...

    {{YYYYYAAAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNN}}

    But, IF Biden is colluding with the Ukrainians to win the Democrat Primary...

    I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with President Trump turning the screws on the Ukrainians and investigating Biden up the arse..

    I mean, why should YOU have a problem with it???

    You didn't mind when Odumbo investigated Trump, did you??

    of course not...

    If it weren't for double standards, you would have no standards at all.. Think about it..

  71. [71] 
    Michale wrote:

    Reverse the situation: if it were Obama, you'd be screaming at the rafters right now.

    Odumbo already DID it.. Investigating Trump...

    So, NOW yer whining because Trump repays the favor???

    Double standards.. Hypocrisy...

  72. [72] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    So, MotherJones and MadCow... THOSE are your sources...

    So are you saying the stories aren't true? Cause there's a whole lot of crow to eat if it is...

  73. [73] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Odumbo already DID it..

    No, I don't remember him extorting another country.

  74. [74] 
    Michale wrote:

    GLOOM DESPAIR AND AGONY ON ME
    DEEP DARK DEPRESSION EXCESSIVE MISERY
    IF IT WEREN'T FOR DOUBLE STANDARDS
    I'DE HAVE NO STANDARDS AT ALL
    GLOOM DESPAIR AND AGONY ON ME

    -Democrat Party Theme Song

    :D

  75. [75] 
    Michale wrote:

    No, I don't remember him extorting another country.

    Oh.. So you're worried about ANOTHER COUNTRY!!???

    You don't care about the US...

    I see.. Well.. Nice ta have you declared... :^/

    So are you saying the stories aren't true? Cause there's a whole lot of crow to eat if it is...

    Dood.. Ya don't have the BEST TRACK RECORD for "TRUMP IS TOAST" predictions..

    But to be fair.. I am absolutely CERTAIN that it's the "truth"... YOUR "truth"..

    But it ain't FACTS...

    And, as Biden told the WHOLE world, ya'all Democrats don't CARE about FACTS..

    Ya'all are ALL about "truth"... But only YOUR "truth"....

  76. [76] 
    Michale wrote:

    I have to say, I feel almost guilty about beating up on Balthasar like this..

    Won't any other Weigantian have the balls to join in and give me a different target???

  77. [77] 
    Michale wrote:

    Guess not...

    Take a break, Balthy.. We can start again when yer fresh.. :D

    Like I said...

    SOOOOOO predictable... :D

  78. [78] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Relax... We're the good guys.."
    -Bobby, SURROGATES

    :D

  79. [79] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale,

    What you seem to understand but are simply choosing to ignore is that while Trump might have been correct that at one point during Dorian’s approach, Alabama was thought to have been in its path, Trump continued to focus on it hitting Alabama well after Dorian was no longer a threat to AL.* That was Trump choosing to look like an idiot.

    * I originally was going to write, “What you seem not to understand is that while Trump might have been correct...”, but then I asked myself why not just state the reality of what was happening, instead.

    Strange that NOAA’s statement that Trump was correct the whole time failed to explain how they had been wrong on every map projection they had released. It isn’t the first time Trump has forced a federal agency to cover for his lies: asking the National Parks Service to support his claim that his inauguration crowds were the largest ever and everything the DOJ has said since Barr became AG.

  80. [80] 
    Patrick wrote:

    I think we should all be thankful to Trump for the advanced warning about Alabama. Latest reports say that no one in Mobile was injured by the hurricane.

    They all took shelter in the nearest trailer park.

    Apparently they had wind gusts of over 7 mph.

  81. [81] 
    Michale wrote:

    What you seem to understand but are simply choosing to ignore is that while Trump might have been correct that at one point during Dorian’s approach, Alabama was thought to have been in its path, Trump continued to focus on it hitting Alabama well after Dorian was no longer a threat to AL.* That was Trump choosing to look like an idiot.

    Only because moronic Trump/America haters kept telling everyone that President Trump was lying and that Dorian was NEVER going to come close to Alabama

    And ALL of them.. AND YA'ALL incidentally were full of kaa-kaa

    And for the record, it's not MIGHT have been correct.

    President Trump was 100% correct and, once again, all of ya'al Trump/America haters were 100% full of shit wrong.. AGAIN...

  82. [82] 
    Michale wrote:

    I think we should all be thankful to Trump for the advanced warning about Alabama. Latest reports say that no one in Mobile was injured by the hurricane.

    They all took shelter in the nearest trailer park.

    Apparently they had wind gusts of over 7 mph.

    Which doesn't change the fact that President Trump was 100% correct and you morons were 100% full of shit..

    AGAIN... :D

  83. [83] 
    Michale wrote:

    NOAA assailed for defending Trump’s Hurricane Dorian claim
    https://apnews.com/e0680f910cdd43e4be257720e182948e

    More whinings from the Trump/America haters..

    NOAA simply relayed the FACTS...

    What's all the hysteria about??

    President Trump was 100% factually accurate.. The NOAA simply confirmed the facts..

    You Trump/America haters are so wrapped up in ya'all's disgusting and perverse hatred of Trump, it's pathetic...

    Trump/America haters are beet-red faced apoplectic over this..

  84. [84] 
    Michale wrote:

    Strange that NOAA’s statement that Trump was correct the whole time failed to explain how they had been wrong on every map projection they had released.

    Not strange at all.. If you bothered to look at the FACTS, you would see that NOAA DID release projections that had Alabama being affected by Dorian..

    But you can't be bothered to look at the FACTS.. Yer too busy hysterically hating on President Trump...

    You were WRONG... AGAIN... Man up and admit it..

  85. [85] 
    Michale wrote:

    If someone will lie about the small things, then they will have no pause about lying abut the big things that really matter.
    -JM

    So, if ya'all lie about the small things like claiming Dorian was never predicted to affect Alabama at all, does that mean no one can trust anything ya'all say ever???

    Because that's sure the claim you want people to believe about President Trump..

    So, why is it different when ya'all are caught in yer web of lies, eh??

    Hurricane Dorian's path is LITERALLY a life or death situation for millions of Americans which DEMANDS complete accurate, truthful information from the American government at ALL times.

    Which is EXACTLY what ALL Americans got from President Trump..

    But then ya'all, Dumbocrats and Trump/America haters had to go on a hysterical bender of deceit...

    And, somehow, it's all President Trump's fault???

    My gods, people.. Ya'all are so hysterical with hate, ya'all can't even THINK straight!!!

    What it all boils down to is ya'all were wrong.. President Trump was factually accurate..

    And I have to be honest and point out that it's impossible to tell which drives you more hysterically crazy with hate??

    That ya'all were wrong AGAIN.. Or that President Trump was 1000% factually accurate..

    Heh kinda describes the dynamic here in Weigantia, doesn't it.. :D

  86. [86] 
    Michale wrote:

    Audience member: "What are you going to do in the next one year to diminish the mentally retarded actions of this guy?"

    Kamala Harris: "Well said." (Giggles.) "Well said. Well, I plan to win this election, I'll tell you that."

    Yea, that's you Dumbocrats.. :eyeroll:

  87. [87] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's actually quite funny when ya look at it..

    Ya'all have more in common with the Fonz, Biden AND President Trump than ya will admit.. :D

    NONE of ya'all can admit when you are wrong.. :D

  88. [88] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, once again, Dumbocrats and Trump/America haters go on a hysterical Mueller-esque bender and wraps up ANOTHER gift to give to President Trump...

    My gods, you think the haters would learn.. :eyeroll:

  89. [89] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Only because moronic Trump/America haters kept telling everyone that President Trump was lying and that Dorian was NEVER going to come close to Alabama

    You’re the first person to claim that Dorian was “NEVER going to come close to Alabama” so not sure if you are bashing yourself for some reason or what. I am sure that you will have no problem admitting that while Alabama had at one time been thought to be in Dorian’s path, Dorian was no longer a threat to the state on Sept 1, the day that Trump tweeted out the warning to AL.

  90. [90] 
    Michale wrote:

    You’re the first person to claim that Dorian was “NEVER going to come close to Alabama”

    Nice try..

    It's not my claim.. It's ya'all's claim..

    Alabama was in the cone of influence from Dorian.. President Trump stated this.

    Ya'all said he was lying..

    I am sure that you will have no problem admitting that while Alabama had at one time been thought to be in Dorian’s path, Dorian was no longer a threat to the state on Sept 1, the day that Trump tweeted out the warning to AL.

    Of course I have no problem admitting it. Because it's not relevant to the point..

    At one time, Alabama a possible target for Dorian..

    President Trump stated this..

    Ya'all said he was wrong.. Ya'all CONTINUE to insist he is wrong and the the NOAA was wrong for backing up President Trump...

    President Trump was not wrong. At one time, Alabama was a target...

    Ya'all are wrong for claiming that President Trump was wrong..

    And ya'all can't admit it..

    It's THAT simple..

  91. [91] 
    Michale wrote:

    And ya go on an on about the head of the NOAA not putting his name on the announcement or speaking up about it..

    Do ya blame him!??

    You Left Wingers and Trump/America haters have a WELL DOCUMENTED HISTORY of vicious, hysterical and heinous violent attacks on President Trump supporters..

    Hell, Neil Jabobs and his family are probably already getting death threats..

    Considering the well-documented history of violence from the Left and Trump/American haters, who can blame the guy for not wanting to be the public face of this..

    I am sure your Dumbocrats can find some lowly puke in the NOAA who will disavow the Official NOAA statement and try to put forth the bullshit that the Russians hacked the NOAA site and created the fake announcement and it's accompanying archives..

    That's how you Dumbocrats think...

    It's All RUSSIA'S FAULT!!! :eyeroll:

  92. [92] 
    Michale wrote:

    I am sure that you will have no problem admitting that while Alabama had at one time been thought to be in Dorian’s path, Dorian was no longer a threat to the state on Sept 1, the day that Trump tweeted out the warning to AL.

    Statement from NOAA

    September 6, 2019
    Welcome to noaa.gov
    From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama.

    OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM THE NOAA

    Now tell me, Russ... August 28 thru September 2...

    Does Sep 1st fall into that range??...

    Why yes.. I do believe it does...

    So, once again, I prove you wrong..

    WITH FACTS!!!

    Seriously, dood.. Go with the "IT'S ALL THE RUSSIANS FAULT!!!!!"

    It's served you SO WELL {sic} in the past.. :eyeroll:

    But, credit where credit is due..

    Russ.. At least you & Balthasar have the stones to show up and take yer medicine..

    You both deserve credit for that.. Kudos to ya both...

  93. [93] 
    Michale wrote:

    "The Fake News Media was fixated on the fact that I properly said, at the beginnings of Hurricane Dorian, that in addition to Florida & other states, Alabama may also be grazed or hit. They went Crazy, hoping against hope that I made a mistake (which I didn't). Check out maps..."
    -President Donald Trump

    And thanx to the hysterical hate from the Trump/America haters.....

    The Trump campaign decided to exploit the situation by selling sets of black markers. They have "the special ability to drive CNN and the rest of the fake news crazy!" said campaign manager Brad Parscale.

    ........ President Trump has a great new marketing angle that gives MORE money to the Re-elect President Trump campaign..

    Great job haters!!! :D

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  94. [94] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    90

    Alabama was in the cone of influence from Dorian..

    Again with this ridiculous incorrect "cone of influence" term of yours? It's called the "cone of uncertainty," you inveterate moron!

    I get it. I really do. You're too stupid to understand how ignorant you sound. You're a gosh darn "Trump U" graduate, and the derpy goes all the way right down to the bone.

    At the time Trump tweeted on September 1 that Alabama would "most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated," the opposite was true because Alabama was no longer in the path of Dorian at that time.

    You've made the claim multiple times now that Alabama was in the "cone of influence" -- albeit using your incorrect term -- but you've supplied no map whatsoever that actually shows Alabama in the "cone of uncertainty" on September 1 at the time of Trump's tweet.

    Supply the undoctored weather map dated September 1 or later where Alabama is actually in the "cone of uncertainty."

    We'll wait.

  95. [95] 
    Kick wrote:

    Weigantia

    The NOAA statement was issued anonymously, but it turns out that NOAA's current Director of Communications and Deputy Chief of Staff, Julie Kay Roberts, had previously worked for:

    * Elaine Chao -- Moscow Mitch's wife -- as the Deputy Director of Scheduling

    https://www.noaa.gov/our-people/leadership/julie-kay-roberts

    AND

    * The campaign of "Donald J. Trump for President" on the
    "58th Presidential Inauguration Committee"

    Yes, that inauguration committee that is currently under investigation.

    Makes sense now. :)

  96. [96] 
    Kick wrote:

    Weigantia

    ... continued from [95] above

    Julie Kay Roberts

    https://projects.propublica.org/trump-town/staffers/julie-roberts

    Former Positions
    Outside Government

    58th Presidential Inaugural Committee
    Deputy Director of Internal and Diplomatic

    Donald j. Trump for President
    Advance for Vice Presidential Candidate

    Former Compensation Sources

    58th Presidential Inaugural Committee
    Donald J. Trump for President

  97. [97] 
    Michale wrote:

    OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM THE NOAA

    Statement from NOAA

    From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama. This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed at the following link.

    The Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time.
    https://www.noaa.gov/news/statement-from-noaa

  98. [98] 
    Michale wrote:

    I know, I know..

    The Evil Russians did it.. :eyeroll:

  99. [99] 
    Michale wrote:

    NOAA Delivers The Death Blow To The Liberal Media Over Trump's Hurricane Dorian Map Controversy
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/09/06/noaa-responds-n2552738

    One would think that they hysterical Dumbocrats and the Trump/America haters would learn a lesson..

    But no..... They always dance to Trump's...excuse me.. PRESIDENT TRUMP'S tune and then gets bitch-slapped to hell and back.. :D

  100. [100] 
    Michale wrote:

    That’s it, folks. In another bout with the liberal media, President Trump has emerged victorious. Over the couple days, networks have been going berserk over a minor map controversy..

    Over and over again.. The haters go hysterically beserk and then are made to look ridiculous when the FACTS come out.. :D

    Rinse... Repeat...

  101. [101] 
    Michale wrote:

    I mean it’s almost becoming embarrassing how the liberal media gets played, slapped down, and utterly owned every time they try to attack this presidency. Trump is an absolute professional at making them look like morons, and this Dorian non-troversy was no different.

    In spades... :D

  102. [102] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    98

    I know, I know..

    The Evil Russians did it.. :eyeroll:

    Surprise not surprise.

    Yet another strawman argument from the board moron.

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

    You're what's known in Trumplandia as a "useful idiot."

  103. [103] 
    Michale wrote:

    Says Daddy's Little Cockholster, Victoria who has been WRONG about everything concerning President Trump to date..

    BBBWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Victoria is exactly like she accuses President Trump of being..

    She simply cannot admit when she is wrong, even when the FACTS slap her in her ugly butthead of a face...

    With Mueller, she couldn't admit she was wrong..

    With Sharpiegate, she couldn't admit she was wrong...

    Always wrong.. Never factually accurate..

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  104. [104] 
    Michale wrote:

    NOAA's support of Trump over its own scientists provokes uproar in weather community

    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's decision to back President Donald Trump instead of its own scientists on the question of whether Alabama was at significant risk from Hurricane Dorian has led to widespread outrage in the broader weather community.
    https://www.thehour.com/news/article/NOAA-s-support-of-Trump-over-its-own-scientists-14421737.php

    TRANSLATION:
    WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAA

    Yep.. President Trump was DEFINITELY wrong...

    I am ***NOT*** tired of winning!!! :D

  105. [105] 
    Michale wrote:

    Three former NOAA heads have expressed this concern. Kathryn Sullivan, a former NASA astronaut who ran the agency under President Barack Obama, said that throughout NOAA's history, the agency - including its political appointees - has committed "to not let any political factors sway the scientific credibility and clarity of Weather Service forecasts and warnings."

    She stated: "The anonymous and disingenuous statement NOAA tweeted out is a major breach of scientific integrity that damages the NWS and stains the agency's leadership."

    Jane Lubchenco, who preceded Sullivan as NOAA administrator under Obama, told The Washington Post via email: "This looks like classic politically motivated obfuscation to justify inaccurate statements made by the boss. It is truly sad to see political appointees undermining the superb, life-saving work of NOAA's talented and dedicated career servants."

    And James Baker, who headed NOAA under President Bill Clinton, wrote in an email that the agency has an obligation to back its scientists. "The role of NOAA and any higher level oversight is to support, not to rebuke, the key message that the experts have carefully developed," he said. "In this case, NOAA and the White House should have focused on the potential East Coast damages which were accurately forecast."

    All Trump/America hating Democrat sycophants....

    Yea.. Now THERE is credible sources... :eyeroll:

    The FACTS support President Trump.. The SCIENCE supports President Trump...

    Whiners and Trump/America haters simply can't handle the reality of the here and now..

  106. [106] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    What a stimulating and relevant discussion.

    The cone of influence that really is relevant is the big money cone of influence.

    And all the sharpies in the world can't shrink that cone of influence which completely engulfs both the Dems and Republicans.

    Yet that seems to be relegated to the cone of silence.

    "No Max, not the cone of silence. You know that never works right."
    -the Chief
    Get Smart

  107. [107] 
    Michale wrote:

    "The worst part about this whole ridiculous thing is the damage it's done to public trust in meteorologists. I'm so incredibly upset, disheartened, angry, and baffled. These are absurd times, my friends. Hang in there."
    -Becky DePodwin

    What you talkin' about Willis???

    Since the NWS has put politics over science and reality with their global warming bullshit...

    The American people, the patriotic ones, have NEVER trusted the NWS...

    Duh!!

  108. [108] 
    Michale wrote:

    What a stimulating and relevant discussion.

    Welcome to the Dumbocrat Party.. Where no detail is too minuscule to have a hysterical hissy fit over...

    And all the sharpies in the world can't shrink that cone of influence which completely engulfs both the Dems and Republicans.

    But!! But!!! Dumbocrats SAY they are against Citizens United and big money interests!!! But then they turn around and use them to their fullest potential..

    Dumbocrats SAY one thing, but then do the exact opposite!!

    Watts Up Wid Dat!!???

  109. [109] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    It's not Dumbocrats- it's Deceptocrats.

    After all, it's the RepubliCON mascot that resembles Dumbo. :D

  110. [110] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michael

    Thank you for letting me know I got to you, Mugshots Mike! You're not just Trump's water carrying useful idiot; you're also mine.

    Could you please be a little more creative and troll harder, though? It's like you're trying desperately to prove to Weigantia that Trump's cock is not the only thing at which you regularly suck. :D

  111. [111] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's not Dumbocrats- it's Deceptocrats.

    Yea, either one works... :D

  112. [112] 
    Michale wrote:

    Thank you for letting me know I got to you, Mugshots Mike!

    Who you kidding, Daddy's Little Cockholster.. I OWN you..

    That's why you follow me around the forum like the little bitch you are.. :D

    It's like you're trying desperately to prove to Weigantia that Trump's cock is not the only thing at which you regularly suck. :D

    You sure like to talk about cocks alot.. Is Daddy's beginning to bore you?? You maybe want to add your brother's too??

    Daddy's Little Cockholster...

    Brother's Little Cockholster...

    Yea, doesn't surprise me a bit...

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  113. [113] 
    Kick wrote:

    Don Harris
    109

    After all, it's the RepubliCON mascot that resembles Dumbo. :D

    I have to agree with Don Harris on this because he is 100% correct.

  114. [114] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Kick-
    Well that's no fun. :D

  115. [115] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    112

    Who you kidding, Daddy's Little Cockholster.. I OWN you..

    You own a doublewide trailer in Shithole, Florida that isn't worth shit.

    That's why you follow me around the forum like the little bitch you are.. :D

    You're the bitch that is owned by the entire board, Mugshots. You troll everyone here on a near daily basis. You get your jollies by trolling the group in repetitive fashion with the same shit over and over and over in repetitive fashion.

    You're a very unimaginative troll, and everyone here in Weigantia owns your ass!

    You sure like to talk about cocks alot.. Is Daddy's beginning to bore you?? You maybe want to add your brother's too??

    Could you please take your discussion with your daughter and sons to another forum? No one here wants to hear anything else about the Whore family with the easily searchable mugshots to prove it. So many mugshots, Mike! Easily searchable too!

    Daddy's Little Cockholster...

    Your daughter.

    Brother's Little Cockholster...

    Your daughter.

    Yea, doesn't surprise me a bit...

    Didn't surprise me either when I found the family mugshots online. You've already admitted on the forum that you and your wife were whores, and you've admitted to a small part of your criminal past. It was only natural that you'd spawn a bunch more Whores and they'd follow in your criminal footsteps. :D

    Troll harder, fake cop! :D

  116. [116] 
    Kick wrote:

    Don Harris
    114

    Well that's no fun. :D

    Well, fun or not... you're absolutely right about the elephant! :)

  117. [117] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hay Balthy..

    What I tell ya!?? :D

    Air Force defends stopover: Trump's Scotland hotel was the cheapest around

    "The stopover of a U.S. Air Force C-17 in Glasgow, Scotland is not unusual. Every two and half minutes an Air Force transport aircraft takes off or lands somewhere around the globe," Brig. Gen. Ed Thomas said in a statement. "As our aircrews serve on these international airlift missions, they follow strict guidelines on contracting for hotel accommodations and all expenditures of taxpayer dollars."

    "In this case, they made reservations through the Defense Travel System and used the closest available and least expensive accommodations to the airfield within the crews’ allowable hotel rates," Thomas continued.

    He said the crew stayed at a Marriott hotel on the way back, and that they got a cheaper rate of $136 at Trump Turnberry compared to $161 at the Marriott property. The per diem rate is capped at $166.

    He also said the Air Force had not found anything improper regarding the Trump Turnberry stay.
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/air-force-trump-turnberry-scotland

    Once again.. Hysterical Trump/America haters get hysterical over the miniscule...

    And ONCE AGAIN, FACTS and REALITY bitch-slap them to the ground!!!

    When will ya'all EVER learn your lesson..

    You can't beat President Trump...

    :D

  118. [118] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Blaaa Blaaa Blaaaa Whine Whine Whine Whine.. yada yada yada yada"
    -Daddy's & Brother's Little Cockholster, Victoria

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Seriously, Victoria.. Your rantings are utterly pathetic..

    Why don't you just do the world a favor and eat a bullet... Oh, that's right. Yer deathly afraid of guns..

    Jump off a bridge or swallow a punch of pills, if you can take your brother's cock out of your mouth long enough..

    You are a waste of skin in this world and you should do society a favor and end your life..

  119. [119] 
    Michale wrote:

    Even CNN is carrying the FACT that President Trump was factually accurate.. :D

    NOAA disavows National Weather Service tweet that refuted Trump's claim Dorian was headed toward Alabama

    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration on Friday disavowed a tweet from the National Weather Service's Birmingham, Alabama, office that had contradicted President Donald Trump's false assertion that Hurricane Dorian was likely to hit the state.

    In a statement attributed to an unnamed NOAA spokesperson, the agency said Trump had been given information from August 28 until Monday that Dorian could impact Alabama.

    "From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama," the statement read. "This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed on the center's website.

    "The Birmingham National Weather Service's Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time."
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/06/politics/noaa-tweet-nws-trump-alabama/index.html

    Boy, the shame and embarrassment ya'all are feeling must be unbearable!!! :D

  120. [120] 
    Michale wrote:

    Interesting to note..

    The Statement from the NOAA that affirms the factual nature of President Trump's claims is in the NEWS-FEATURES section of the NOAA Website..

    Many whiners and ignorant types have pointed to the fact that there is no signature or attribution so that makes the NOAA Statement suspect.

    Funny thing about that.

    NONE of the articles or news in that NOAA section are attributed...

    So, not having an attribution or signature is perfectly normal...

    The whiners and ignorant types just can't handle that they were, once again, utterly and completely WRONG and President Trump was 100% factually accurate...

    Oh, how embarrassed ya'all must be!! :D

  121. [121] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike

    Seriously, Victoria.. Your rantings are utterly pathetic..

    Yes, you and your Whore spawn's criminal past is pathetic, and you're a fraud. Now you're getting it, Mike!

    Why don't you just do the world a favor and eat a bullet... Oh, that's right. Yer deathly afraid of guns..

    Mike, real law enforcement officers don't encourage people to kill themselves because it's a felony in multiple jurisdictions. While I'm not an ammosexual lunatic like yourself, it's laughable that your idea of an insult is to claim someone you don't know is "afraid of guns." Tells anyone everything they'd want to know about you, Mike.

    What dipshits like you refer to as "a gun," Mike, is what I call a fucking toy. My idea of a gun is attached to the turret of a tank, Mike, and I've taught too numerous to count dipshits like yourself how to use them until I beat the stupid bitch right out of them and made them into soldiers. Your idea of a gun is a fucking joke. Next.

    Jump off a bridge or swallow a punch of pills, if you can take your brother's cock out of your mouth long enough..

    Again, fake cop: It is a felony in multiple jurisdictions to encourage someone to commit suicide.

    Thank you so much for admitting defeat though, fake cop. I accept your admission. If you can't get rid of them by running them off the forum like you used to, just keep repeatedly asking them to kill themselves in commission of a crime and an admission that you can sure dish it out, but you're a whiny little bitch who can't take it.

    I don't have a brother or a father so you just sound like a fucking idiot when you keep whining like a little bitch about a deceased person.

    And if your wife and daughter prefers incest with the admitted Whore father and brothers, who are we in Weigantia to judge the Whores?

    You are a waste of skin in this world and you should do society a favor and end your life..

    I lost count on how many felonies you've committed on this board, but I accept your admission of defeat, you fucking Whore!

    Everyone on this forum owns you, Mike. You are our fucking bitch. Troll harder! :D

  122. [122] 
    Kick wrote:

    Don Harris

    I'd like to wish your Giants luck, but I'll be the one in Section XX Row X rooting against them. Tootles!

    Good luck next week, however! :)

  123. [123] 
    Michale wrote:

    Victoria takes her daddy's cock out of her mouth long enough to spew:

    Blaaa Blaaa Blaaa whine whine whine yada yada yada yada blaa blaa whine blaa whine yadda yada blaw yada..

    and then happily sticks her daddy's cock back in her mouth and resumes sucking him off...

    BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  124. [124] 
    Michale wrote:

    Looks like the blogosphere has quieted down over NOAA backing President Trump..

    Resigned to accept the inevitable.

    The mark of maturity..

    Kudos..

  125. [125] 
    Michale wrote:

    JAGS are on!! Go JAGS!!! :D

  126. [126] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well... The Jags are still the Jags.. :^(

    But I draw comfort from the fact that Dumbocrats and Trump/America haters are STILL lusers.. :D

    So.. There's that.. :D

  127. [127] 
    Michale wrote:

    "By and large, illegal immigrants obey the law."
    -Ignorant Trump/America hating Democrat

    6 MS-13 gang members, illegal immigrants involved in deadly Maryland stabbing, ICE says
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/ms13-gang-members-illegal-immigrants-maryland-stabbing-deadly-ice

    Democrats are morons.. :^/

  128. [128] 
    Michale wrote:

    Democrats are Morons Part II

    Walter Mosley quit 'Star Trek: Discovery' over N-word backlash
    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/walter-mosley-star-trek-discovery-racial-slur

  129. [129] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Kick-
    Three teams were on the field. One was good. Two were bad.

    While I would love to blame the result on one of the bad teams, the Giants were bad enough all on their own making any argument on how bad the other bad team was irrelevant.

  130. [130] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Colin Kapernick to the Jaguars?

    PLEASE. PLEASE! PLEEEEEEASE!!! It would be fun to know Michale had to root for him. :D

  131. [131] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    I suppose there's always Tampa.

  132. [132] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale [119]

    Do you ever bother to read the articles you post claiming they support your arguments...because more and more of them do not!

    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration on Friday disavowed a tweet from the National Weather Service's Birmingham, Alabama, office that had contradicted President Donald Trump's false assertion that Hurricane Dorian was likely to hit the state.

    They are still stating that Trump’s assertion that Alabama was going to be hit harder than expected by Dorian was FALSE!

    Sorry, Michael, but the fact is that if Trump had just let this go, it would have just been one more screw up that would have disappeared into the vast sea of misstatements Trump has made and would have been forgotten within 24 hours.

    This has been comical to view, as it demonstrates a trait that you find in people who intentionally lie all of the time — they cannot let it go when they believe they were wrongly accused of lying. Trump doesn’t usually get upset when he is called out for lying — he may double down and just keep repeating the lie or he will alter it somewhat, but Trump doesn’t fixate on it when he knows he lied. But Trump knows he heard Alabama named in one of his briefings on Hurricane Dorian, even if he didn’t pay too much attention to what was said, and he now cannot let it go!

  133. [133] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    To make it all worse, the closely worded document from NOAA will probably be re-issued in the morning with even more close wording to try to muddy the waters. By afternoon, the staff will have threatened to quit, prompting talks. This will be followed by a retraction sometime Tuesday, or even possibly tomorrow night, followed by right wing complaining about the media.

    ugh.

  134. [134] 
    Michale wrote:

    Colin Kapernick to the Jaguars?

    PLEASE. PLEASE! PLEEEEEEASE!!! It would be fun to know Michale had to root for him. :D

    Oh wow, Don.. That's just MEAN!!!! :D

  135. [135] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    You can spin it all you want.. Just like ya'all did with the Mueller report.

    But the FACTs remains the same..

    YA'ALL WERE WRONG...

    PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS TOTALLY 1000% FACTUALLY ACCURATE...

  136. [136] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Balthy,

    To make it all worse, the closely worded document from NOAA will probably be re-issued in the morning with even more close wording to try to muddy the waters.

    You DO realize that the official NOAA Statement was placed on the Internet, right??

    And that the Internet is actually open 24 hours a day 7 days a week..

    You DO realize that... Right??

    By afternoon, the staff will have threatened to quit, prompting talks. This will be followed by a retraction sometime Tuesday, or even possibly tomorrow night,

    Yea.. Because all of your hysterical hate anti Trump predictions have ALWAYS come to pass... :^/

    TRUMP IS TOAST PREDICTION #2,896,592

    :eyeroll:

  137. [137] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Balthy,

    Oh.. I guess you didn't see this..

    What I tell ya!?? :D

    Air Force defends stopover: Trump's Scotland hotel was the cheapest around

    "The stopover of a U.S. Air Force C-17 in Glasgow, Scotland is not unusual. Every two and half minutes an Air Force transport aircraft takes off or lands somewhere around the globe," Brig. Gen. Ed Thomas said in a statement. "As our aircrews serve on these international airlift missions, they follow strict guidelines on contracting for hotel accommodations and all expenditures of taxpayer dollars."

    "In this case, they made reservations through the Defense Travel System and used the closest available and least expensive accommodations to the airfield within the crews’ allowable hotel rates," Thomas continued.

    He said the crew stayed at a Marriott hotel on the way back, and that they got a cheaper rate of $136 at Trump Turnberry compared to $161 at the Marriott property. The per diem rate is capped at $166.

    He also said the Air Force had not found anything improper regarding the Trump Turnberry stay.
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/air-force-trump-turnberry-scotland

    Once again.. Hysterical Trump/America haters get hysterical over the miniscule...

    And ONCE AGAIN, FACTS and REALITY bitch-slap them to the ground!!!

    When will ya'all EVER learn your lesson..

    You can't beat President Trump...

    {End Trans}

    Nothing unusual about the C-17 Scotland "incident"... Everything was completely legit and above board..

    Ya'all are grasping at straws because ya'all are so god damned desperate to take down President Trump.

    Ya'all KNOW he is going to be re-elected in a landslide..

    Hell, a few Weigantians have even STATED as such...

    Your desperation is understandable... But so tiresome and predictable..

    I get it.. I really do.. I didn't want Obama re-elected in 2012.. But I was not so damn hysterical about it and didn't go to the lengths your Dumbocrats have gone to, to stop it..

    Ya'all are acting 20x worse than what ya'all accused Republicans of acting during the Odumbo years..

    There HAS to be a tipping point whereas Democrats look in the mirror in disgust at the hateful and intolerant bigots they have become..

    There just HAS to...

  138. [138] 
    Michale wrote:

    Seriously Balthy, think about it..

    REALLY stop and think..

    President Trump made up a phony deployment that involved hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of US military members..

    And he did ALL that so one of his properties can make an extra one hundred and thirty six dollars..

    Really think about that.. Hopefully you are not too far gone and will come to realize how COMPLETELY and UTTERLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY insane that sounds...

    MAJOR :eyeroll:

  139. [139] 
    Michale wrote:

    But hay.. Even after the Trump/America haters imploded on their Mini-Mueller-esque debacle, there is STILL a Democrat Primary in the works.. :D

    Last week seven politically connected acquaintances, five Democrats and two anti-Trump Republicans offered identical observations: They hope Joe Biden gets his party's presidential nomination as he's best positioned to defeat the president.

    And every day, they add, he makes them nervous.

    For instance, the former vice president's campaign urged a vote for him — even if people like other candidates more — because he's the most electable.

    He speculated on how awful it would have been if Barack Obama, who tapped him to be vice president, had been assassinated.

    He suggested his support for women's rights once raised suspicions he might be gay.

    Later he assured New Hampshire voters he's not "nuts," prompting the ultra-weird Newt Gingrich to call that the strangest campaign comment ever.

    All within a week. Ouch.
    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/460422-biden-makes-supporters-nervous-his-gaffes-could-derail-him

    Biden has GOT to be running one of the weirdest primary campaigns in history..

    I am not nuts! I am not nuts!!
    -Joe Biden

    Sounds like Nixon with his I am not a crook comments..

  140. [140] 
    Michale wrote:

    The tenuous front-runner has delicate lines to walk. Part of his charm is his warmth, openness and spontaneity. Yet when he talks or reacts before he thinks — not uncommon — it blurs those attributes. This isn't an easy balancing act.

    On substance he has to better articulate a vision, at least a sense, of the future. And he must fully embrace Obama, a critical credential for him and a risk for his opponents if they continue to trash the policies of the enormously popular 44th President.

    Joe Biden probably is the most electable Democrat, and probably has the best chance to govern with a modicum of effectiveness. If, however, he continues to make a series of gaffes those opportunities will vanish.

    Better shine up your PRESIDENT TRUMP vote, JL.... :D

  141. [141] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, in the Democrats laughable "Climate Change Summit" (Climate is ALWAYS changing.. Why have a "summit" about it???) Warren promised to ban Fracking..

    Welp... Democrats can kiss Pennsylvania goodbye in the General Election..

    Beto and other Dumbocrats have promised to ban ALL FOSSIL FUELS if elected..

    Democrats can kiss Texas goodbye..

    It really seems that Democrats are INTENT on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.. :eyeroll:

  142. [142] 
    Michale wrote:

    I mean, the sheer IGNORANCE of Climate Change fanatics is mind-boggling..

    They have a war on itty bitty plastic straws yet drink tons and tons of water out of plastic bottles..

    Let's see these moronic imbeciles drink their LaCroix Sparkling Water out of paper bottles, eh?

    Morons. Un-debatable and un-adulterated MORONS..

  143. [143] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ahhhhhh A very interesting question..

    Can a liberal catering service refuse to serve a Republican or Pro President Trump event??

    Let's talk about it.. :D

    Discrimination is the new norm for 'wrong' political views

    A gay Cincinnati man — a lifelong Democrat living with HIV/AIDS — recently tweeted that a local business refused his request to cater an event.

    The story harkens to private bakers in Colorado who, citing religious beliefs, refused to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple in 2012. (Ultimately, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 7-2 that the bakers were within their rights.) News of the bakery incident sparked outrage and was plastered on the news off and on for years.

    But judging from the recent past, the reported refusal of a Cincinnati business to serve a gay man is unlikely to prompt across-the-board national outrage for one reason: The man is a supporter of President Trump. He says that was the reason given for why he was rejected as a customer.

    The gay Trump supporter is named Scott Ford and he discussed the incident with me over the phone. He says he planned an event for 20-30 people. When the owner of the business — where he says he’d been “a loyal customer for two years” — asked what the event was, Ford told her it was a “pro-Trump event to highlight the president’s accomplishments.”

    “She threw her hands up in the air and said, ‘No, as badly as I need the money, I’m not doing this,’” Ford told me. “It blew up into an argument in a matter of seconds. I said ‘This is a great president I’m supporting as a Democrat.’ I was disappointed and shocked.”
    https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/458861-discrimination-is-the-new-norm-for-wrong-political-views

    Like I said.. If Democrats didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all..

  144. [144] 
    Michale wrote:

    Wal-Mart's "WOKE" Capitalism

    Walmart -- the world's largest retailer -- has announced it's taking a side in the gun debate. The company will no longer sell handgun ammunition at its stores, nor will it sell rifle rounds that can be "also used in large capacity clips on military-style weapons." Then, Doug McMillon, Walmart's CEO, issued a statement calling on Congress to ban many semiautomatic rifles and seize firearms from some Americans who haven't been convicted of a crime -- or even charged with anything. For a company that operates primarily in rural America, all of this was a big step. How do rural Americans feel about it? We can only guess. There's not a lot of polling going on in Dixon, Montana, or Roxbury, Maine. But in the most expensive parts of New York and Los Angeles, all the smart people were deeply impressed. They love Walmart now.

    As you may remember, years ago, Walmart was the subject of coordinated attacks from the left. Progressives used to attack the company for destroying small-town America and exploiting workers. The company never really changed the way it does business, and yet, somehow, the left has mostly stopped attacking them. How did that happen? Part of the answer is that liberals got rich and lost interest in economics. Instead, they adopted identity issues. But Walmart also figured out it could buy immunity from the left's criticism by mouthing left-wing pieties. That's all it takes. Sound "woke" and they will leave you alone. Notice that Walmart still plans to sell the remainder of its AR-15 ammunition. This couldn't really be about saving lives, obviously. It's about the money. It's only about the money. But that's unsurprising; there's a lot of money at stake.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/09/06/walmarts_woke_capitalism_141185.html

    Liberals and Progressives are so easy to please.

    Just do things their way and say the words that they want to hear and they will fall all over themselves to sing your praises to the highest heavens.

    Never mind that merely a day ago, theses same Liberals and Progressives were demonizing you and attacking you as an evil corporation..

    Never mind that they wouldn't be caught dead in your Wal-Mart store and attack and vilify those that do show your store..

    You are saying what they want to hear, so now you are their bestest buddy..

    Welcome to the ranks of the hateful and intolerant bigotry that is Liberalism and Progressivism..

    :eyeroll:

  145. [145] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, in the too stupid to give credence to...

    David Hogg: We Need To Recognize "Indigenous Mass Shootings" Conducted By The American Government

    Hogg said it made him "think back" to the Battle of Wounded Knee, a mass shooting "orchestrated by the United States government" that slaughtered "predominately men, woman, and children." Hogg was confounded that the Wounded Knee conflict is not discussed as a mass shooting.

    "I think back to the Battle of Wounded Knee and the several hundred Native Americans, predominately men, woman, and children that were slaughtered by the United States government back in the nineteenth century. And how that is never discussed as a mass shooting. And that was wrong because those people were not armed, and we were stealing their land," Hogg said to the live studio audience.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/08/david_hogg_we_need_to_recognize_indigenous_mass_shootings_conducted_by_the_american_government.html

    And another hysterical Democrat moron trying to extend his 15 mins of fame..

    :eyeroll:

  146. [146] 
    Michale wrote:

    "David Hogg is a putz who should be flipping burgers, but through the tragic misfortune of others, he is a celebrity."

    So dead on ballz accurate, it's scary...

  147. [147] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @michale,
    Perhaps Donald and his supporters should demand protected class status. I'm sure they'll find a few sympathetic federal judges.
    JL

  148. [148] 
    Michale wrote:

    “It’s one thing to have a well-earned rep for goofy, harmless gaffes. It’s another if you serially distort your own record. @JoeBiden is in danger of creating a more damaging meme.”
    -Obama Kingmaker David Axelrod

    Biden is toast...

  149. [149] 
    Michale wrote:

    Perhaps Donald and his supporters should demand protected class status. I'm sure they'll find a few sympathetic federal judges.

    Why not?? Liberals and Progressives have been doing that for the last decade or so..

    But, regardless... Your thoughts?

    Why is it NOT OK for those with a -R after their name to discriminate based on their religious beliefs, but it's perfectly acceptable for those with a -D after their name to discriminate based on THEIR religious(political) beliefs???

    Enquiring minds want to know.. :D

  150. [150] 
    Michale wrote:

    The 2020 candidates and their supporters appear to be as angry at America as they are at Trump. They express contempt for our history and act as if everything about our country is so polluted that we must smash the existing order and start over.

    As a result, nearly all the candidates are espousing ideas that are so far out of the mainstream that they sound more like calls for ­revolution than reform.

    Abolish the Electoral College is one example, pack the Supreme Court is another. Opening the borders and giving free health care to illegal immigrants, ideas that were fringe four years ago, are now ­basic requirements for all Dems.

    Ahhhh I see now.. Democrats hate America because America elected Donald Trump as President..

    It all makes sense now..

    ANYONE who supports President Trump (and America sure fits the bill) is to be demonized and attacked and vilified..

    "I can see clearly now, the rain is gone.."
    -Jimmy Cliff

  151. [151] 
    Michale wrote:

    A number of cities are considering legislation to limit the use of natural gas, amid evidence that it leaks of unburned gas may harm the climate more than carbon dioxide
    http://news.trust.org/item/20190909111047-te8j6

    Jesus H Christ!!!

    Democrats won't be happy until Americans are living in caves with no heat and no light..

    Morons.. Complete and utter MORONS...

  152. [152] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oh Balthy???

    The Internet is has been open for 7 minutes now..

    According to you, there should be a plethora of retractions over the fact that President Trump was factually accurate and all of ya'all were totally and 1000% wrong...

    Statement from NOAA
    September 6, 2019

    Welcome to noaa.gov

    From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama. This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed at the following link.

    The Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time.
    https://www.noaa.gov/news/statement-from-noaa

    Nope.. Statement is still there.. Completely un-altered...

    Ready to admit ya were wrong??

    Of course yer not.. You can't.. NONE of you can.. :eyeroll:

  153. [153] 
    Michale wrote:

    Mick Jagger blasts Trump for bad manners, lies, environment
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mick-jagger-blasts-trump-bad-manners-lies-environment-134726328.html

    Yea.. Cuz we should take etiquette from Mick Jagger..

    Here's an idea for Jagger.. Quit flying all over the world in your private jets...

    :eyeroll: moron..

  154. [154] 
    Michale wrote:

    Jagger, who rarely comments on politics, said "the US should be the world leader in environmental control but now it has decided to go the other way.

    Actually, the US has gone farther than ANY OTHER COUNTRY in curtailing pollution..

    Every other country that signed onto the Paris accord is NOT meeting their obligations..

    The US is beating those countries hands down..

    And we are doing it voluntarily, which is how it should be done..

    "When I realized what my weapons were capable of in the wrong hands, I shut it down and stopped manufacturing them."

    "Tony. You chose to do that. If we sign these, we surrender our right to choose. We may not be perfect, but the safest hands are still our own."
    -Captain America, CIVIL WAR

    This is something that religious-esque Global Warming fanatics simply CAN'T understand..

    THEY want to take away our right to choose and give right to the UN to choose for us..

    The frakin' UN!! ***THE*** most corrupt organization on the planet...

    President Trump should be hailed as a hero for taking us out of that no-win situation..

  155. [155] 
    Michale wrote:

    “We’ve taken a position so far, the candidates have ... few have not, about basically 'Medicare-for-all,' which is we’re gonna eliminate 150 million people’s health care and we’re gonna provide health care for people that [have] just come over the border."

    That is an untenable position for the general election. ... This is reckless. You don’t have to take the position to win the primary and you’re basically, literally hindering yourself for the general election.”
    -Former Obama Chief Of Staff Rahm Emanuel

    Seriously.. If there is ANYONE who thinks that the Dem nominee who promises the end of private health care, open borders and free full Crimmigrant health care can be a tenable or defendable position to hold in the General Election??

    Anyone who thinks that??

    They are deluding themselves..

    1000% delusional... Fantasy.. Pipe Dream.. NEVER gonna happen..

  156. [156] 
    Michale wrote:

    "If you instill a rationing system, Rahm Emanuel is right, it will be economic and political suicide for the Democratic Party."

    And what is so comical is that Democrats are WILLINGLY lining up for the slaughter...

    Mind-boggling...

  157. [157] 
    Michale wrote:

    Rightly or wrongly, Democrats believe it is a choice of either the gaffaholic Biden or a socialist bust. Dems seem to, for now, prefer random senselessness to pre-mediated lunacy.

    Sums up the Democrat Primary perfectly...

  158. [158] 
    Michale wrote:

    In Media War, It's Trump vs. the Black Knight

    Another dazzling performance by President Trump from the Oval Office on Wednesday as he took on all questions from the Fake News Media.

    POTUS covered the entire globe, from the Bahamas and Hurricane Dorian to China and the trade talks, Iran and North Korea, Boris Johnson and Brexit, and Mexico and the border wall. See the video here, with the questions starting at the 9:30 mark.

    The protectors of the Fake News narrative immediately started undermining Trump with the voracious appetite of termites. That was true of CNN and MSNBC, naturally, but also Neil Cavuto and his merry band of globalists on Fox Business. It is tempting to spend more time talking about the media midges who buzz and bite the president incessantly, but what’s the point? If they can’t understand that a hurricane hitting Florida head-on from the Bahamas is likely to make its way to Alabama in some form, then what, exactly, can they understand?

    That ultimately is why the president is his own best spokesman -- he does not have to play footsie with the swaggering, boastful buffoons of the White House press corps. He can just leave them limbless and confused in his wake like King Arthur dispatching the “invincible” Black Knight in “Monty Python and the Holy Grail.” They may think they are still walking around on their own two feet, but the evidence proves otherwise.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/09/09/in_media_war_its_trump_vs_the_black_knight_141195.html

    In the here and now, it's a battle of wits between the President Of The United States and the Fake News Leftist MSM..

    And the MSM is HOPELESSLY outclassed.... :D

  159. [159] 
    Michale wrote:

    In the here and now, it's a battle of wits between the President Of The United States and the Fake News Leftist MSM..

    And the MSM is HOPELESSLY outclassed.... :D

    Ironically enough, that same dynamic is at play here in Weigantia..

    A battle of wits between myself and the Liberal/Progressive/Democrat bloq...

    And, just like the Leftist MSM...

    Ya'all are dominated and helplessly (and hopelessly) outclassed.. :D

    "DOMINATION!!!!!"
    -Mortal Kombat

    :D

  160. [160] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Michale (134)-
    "That's just MEAN!!!!!"

    I must admit I was thinking the same thing, but it was just too hard to resist.

    But here's something we may all agree on:

    Antonio Brown should not be rewarded for misbehaving. Goodell should suspend AB for the 2019 season for conduct detrimental to the NFL (how he treated the Steelers, Raiders and for using the grievance system to get a helmet endorsement deal).

    If Goodell does this, when he steps to the podium in next years draft he might actually get cheered instead of booed and he would deserve it.

  161. [161] 
    Michale wrote:

    The truth about Democrats’ climate chamber

    Joe Biden’s bleeding eye at the Democrats’ marathon “climate crisis” town hall on CNN is as good an omen as any of the political curse of eco-catastrophism.

    From banning cheeseburgers and plastic straws to aborting babies in poor countries, the swivel-eyed climate zealotry of the 10 Democratic front-runners has just rendered them unelectable.

    It’s extraordinary the candidates were gullible enough to be lured into what clearly was an ambush by puppet youth climate activists from the shadowy Sunrise Movement and 350.org.

    Sunrise boasted afterward that it engineered the seven-hour talkfest, bypassing the DNC’s refusal to hold an official climate debate. (Next up is CNN’s LGBTQ Town Hall next month, proving the Democrats are fatally preoccupied with fringe concerns that might get them plaudits on Twitter but won’t win over a single voter from Donald Trump.)
    https://nypost.com/2019/09/08/the-truth-about-democrats-climate-chamber/

    Yunno.. Democrats have already lost the General Election..

    They might as well concede it now and save all the headaches for the American people and save all their money and assets and work towards 2024...

    Democrats have lost 2020.. And they are either too stoopid to see it or to prideful to admit it..

  162. [162] 
    Michale wrote:

    I must admit I was thinking the same thing, but it was just too hard to resist.

    It WOULD be a fascinating study in conflicting loyalties, eh? :D

    Let me read up on the Antonio Brown situation and I'll get back to ya..

  163. [163] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yea.. Sounds like Brown gamed the system to get more $$$ for himself... And he was a whiney baby in the process...

    Hmmmmmmm

    If AB should be suspended, hell half the players in the NFL would be too, I would guess...

    I am not generally a football fan, unless it's the Jaguars or asshole America hating players are kneeling and disrespecting the flag and our country..

    So, I see a bad situation there, but also one that is pretty much par for the course..

    "It's not about being right! You went head-to-head with an eight million-dollar quarterback! Who did you think was gonna win? But that's not gonna happen here. I'm talking about a team of poor nobodies who play to win. Not a bunch of bitchy millionaires."
    -O'Neil, THE REPLACEMENTS

  164. [164] 
    Michale wrote:

    Poor Kamala Harris was visibly uncomfortable as she waved her arms around desperately as the answers were extracted.

    “Will you commit to implementing a federal ban on fracking your first day in office, adding the United States to the list of countries who have banned this devastating practice?” she was asked.

    “There’s no question I’m in favor of banning fracking, so yes,” Harris replied.

    CNN’s Erin Burnett asked Harris if she would “reduce red meat specifically” if she were president.

    “Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I would,” said Harris, dancing around the stage like a cat on a hot tin roof.

    “Plastic straws?”.

    “I think we should, yes.”

    “Offshore drilling”

    “Yes.”

    Her voice barely above a whisper at the end, you could almost see her political future flash before her eyes.

    Banning everything is not a recipe for electoral success.

    At times, I almost feel SORRY for the Dem candidates..

  165. [165] 
    Michale wrote:

    Vegan activist who ‘rescued’ 16 rabbits killed nearly 100 in the process
    https://nypost.com/2019/09/09/vegan-activist-who-rescued-16-rabbits-killed-over-100-in-the-process-report/

    The "logic" of liberals and progressives.. :eyeroll:

  166. [166] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK I'll take a break and give ya'all a chance to catch up..

    Bulletins at once.. :D

  167. [167] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Why is it NOT OK for those with a -R after their name to discriminate based on their religious beliefs, but it's perfectly acceptable for those with a -D after their name to discriminate based on THEIR religious(political) beliefs???

    religious and political beliefs are two different things. at least they are supposed to be, here in the united states of america. that's right there in the first amendment. people who are frequently discriminated against based on religion are considered part of a "protected class," while people who share similar political views are not. trump supporters are currently not entitled to protection from discrimination, any more than are socialists or communists. you may disagree with that state of affairs, but it's currently the way things are.

    JL

  168. [168] 
    Michale wrote:

    religious and political beliefs are two different things

    Based on all available facts, when it comes to Trump/America haters, the line between the two is nearly non-existent..

    We see examples of that every day..

    at least they are supposed to be, here in the united states of america.

    Agreed.. They SHOULD be.. In the here and now?? Not so much..

    trump supporters are currently not entitled to protection from discrimination, any more than are socialists or communists. you may disagree with that state of affairs, but it's currently the way things are.

    So, what you are saying is that discrimination is perfectly acceptable when it comes to discriminating against President Trump supporters..

    So, you would not bat an eye if Warren supporters or Biden supporters were refused services...

    Is THAT what you are trying to say??? :D

  169. [169] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    not at all, michale. i'm just saying that the law of the land currently allows some forms of discrimination and not others.

  170. [170] 
    Michale wrote:

    not at all, michale. i'm just saying that the law of the land currently allows some forms of discrimination and not others.

    Oh, of that the facts are clear.. It IS discrimination..

    My question is, what is YOUR opinion about Trump supporters being discriminated against??

    Especially from people who take pride in the "tolerance" and "love" of their Democrat Party..

    I know the facts. We agree on the facts.

    But what do you THINK about it??

  171. [171] 
    Michale wrote:

    More hypocrisy...

    Obama has been lecturing people for over a decade about carbon and pollution and global warming and the rising of the seas...

    Yet he turns around and buys a MASSIVE carbon belching estate on and ISLAND...

    Apparently Odumbo doesn't really believe the global warming bullshit he's spewing..

    There’s nothing wrong with the former president purchasing a large home, of course. Why, even the socialist firebrand Bernie Sanders has three properties of his own. But the optics of Mr. Obama residing in an enormous island home seem hypocritical, at best. After all, he did spend eight years lecturing the American people about the importance of minimizing their carbon footprints and the looming crisis of eroding shorelines.

    In addition, Mr. Obama once famously said that at “a certain point, you’ve made enough money.” Apparently, he and Michelle haven’t reached that point. Between speaking fees, book contracts and their Netflix deal, the couple’s net worth is roughly $40 million, according to Business Insider. Good to know they still have room to work with before they begin to voluntarily turn over their assets to federal or state bureaucrats.

    If comfortable members of the progressive gentry set don’t take global warming seriously, why should anyone else?

    Oh, and those “shrinking islands” Mr. Obama was so worried about? Turns out the notion of rising seas swallowing up island nations is actually more climate alarmism designed to erode opposition to a massive government takeover of the American economy. Studies reveal that many of the “endangered” reef islands in the Pacific and Indian oceans have actually increased in land mass in recent years.

    “The implication,” National Geographic reported in 2015, “is that many islands — especially less developed ones with few permanent structures — may cope with rising seas well into the next century.”

    And that includes Martha’s Vineyard, we presume.
    https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-what-global-warming-obama-to-buy-marthas-vineyard-mansion-1844248/

    Funny.. Apparently belt-tightening and cutting carbon footprints are only for the lesser peasants and peons.

    The Democrat elites are not bound by the strictures they want to impost on those of lower stations...

    :eyeroll:

  172. [172] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Michale-
    Actually Brown got less money. What he wanted was to misbehave forcing the Raiders to release him so he could sign with the Patriots.

    Maybe the Jags will trade for Eli.

  173. [173] 
    Michale wrote:

    Almost noon..

    And still, not a SINGLE retraction of the official NOAA statement..

    Where are all those retractions and condemnations from current NOAA officials???

    {{{ccchhhhiiirrrppppp}}}{{{cchhhiiirrrppp}}}

    Given Occam's Razor, the most likely explanation is that ya'all simply can't admit when ya'all are wrong..

    Something ya'all accuse President Trump of..

    I find that very funny, ya'all acting just like what ya'all CLAIM to hate in President Trump.

    :D hehehehehehehehehehehe Funny.. :D

  174. [174] 
    Michale wrote:

    Actually Brown got less money. What he wanted was to misbehave forcing the Raiders to release him so he could sign with the Patriots.

    Ahhh OK.. Yea, like I said. I don't follow football that closely..

    Maybe the Jags will trade for Eli.

    Oh we have the EAGLES Phenom.. :D

    But the Jags back-up QB was more impressive.. :D

  175. [175] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    My opinion on the discrimination against Trump supporters- a symptom of the divide and conquer strategy and the good cop/bad cop deception employed by both CMPs.

    Unfortunately, many citizens apply the same standards to political beliefs as religious beliefs- they believe it so they ignore or choose not to believe anything that might contradict that belief.

    The CMPs exploit this to keep people fighting with each other instead of unitng against the big money interests that control both CMPs.

    The people on both sides that are attacking each other are just being suckered and playing into the hands of the big money interests.

    They get all indignant about the "other side" doing the same thing they do because they don't want to have to admit they have been suckered.

    It would be comical if it didn't have such disastrous results.

  176. [176] 
    Michale wrote:

    CMPs Corrupt Major Partys???

  177. [177] 
    Michale wrote:

    Unfortunately, many citizens apply the same standards to political beliefs as religious beliefs-

    Exactly..

    And given the passionate way in which many people show their devotion to their Party (Shooting up Republican Baseball practices and shooting up a bar in Dayton etc etc) it's logical and rational to consider the point that, for these fanatics, their politics IS their religion..

  178. [178] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    It's Current Major Parties (two parties is not in the Constitution)- but they both are also corrupt.

    When people call them the major parties it implies a permanence that can't be changed. Current Major Parties implies it can be changed.

    And it can be changed when people are ready to stop rationalizing their mistakes so they can keep making the same mistakes and so they do not have to take any action now that could provide better results.

  179. [179] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's Current Major Parties (two parties is not in the Constitution)- but they both are also corrupt.

    When people call them the major parties it implies a permanence that can't be changed. Current Major Parties implies it can be changed.

    And it can be changed when people are ready to stop rationalizing their mistakes so they can keep making the same mistakes and so they do not have to take any action now that could provide better results.

    Yer preachin' to the choir.. :D

  180. [180] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    And to answer CW's question that he repeated in the article:

    NO. I do not want four more years of THIS!

    I do not want another 14 months of THIS.

    THIS being it doesn't matter how bad the Dems are because Trump and the Republicans are worse.

    Reality demands that CW stop perpetuating the show by pretending it is real and become part of the solution instead of part of the problem. (no more Trump, Biden, CW and the Fonz)

  181. [181] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Well Don, you've gotten the prognosis right, but missed on the prescription.

    The only ones who can make this stop are Democrats.

    Numerically, Electorally, whatever. The only hope to stop this guy is a democrat. Which Democrat? Any.

    Any Democrat with a pulse will do. If Kamala or Bernie wins, I'll vote for that one, even though I prefer Biden.

    THAT'S how bad Trump is.

  182. [182] 
    Michale wrote:

    The only ones who can make this stop are Democrats.

    The fact that you believe that proves you are part of the problem and NOT part of the solution.. And that you really don't understand what DH is saying..

    THAT'S how bad Trump is.

    You would vote for Hitler incarnate..

    THAT'S how bad you hate President Trump and America...

  183. [183] 
    Paula wrote:

    THIS IS OUTSTANDING:

    Warren, Harris, Biden, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, Sanders, Klobuchar, Booker are in this video:

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/9/1884386/-Presidential-candidates-join-together-to-film-unified-message-about-gun-violence-in-U-S-schools

  184. [184] 
    Michale wrote:

    Warren, Harris, Biden, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, Sanders, Klobuchar, Booker are in this video:

    too bad they are ALL against the one thing that would actually help stop prevent school shootings.

    Opening up mental health records to LEOs and background checks..

    Can't have the snowflakes be socially stigmatized, can we.. :eyeroll:

  185. [185] 
    Michale wrote:

    Besides.. Florida has already taken steps to minimize school shootings..

    We're arming teachers and eliminating the "soft target" status of Florida schools..

    THAT is what helps stop school shootings..

  186. [186] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    Jebus, there's more spam in this thread than in Hawaii.

    Trump fucked up, led, then browbeat the folks at NOAA to weave some pathetic tale around his fuck up.

    Nothing new here.

    Now we're finding out the CIA pulled one of their most valuable assets out of Russia because they figured Trump would tell his pals in the Kremlin they had a spy in their midst.

    He has to go, he's just wasting fresh air in the White House, he's getting nothing done but shaving points off his polling numbers.

    LL&P

  187. [187] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    I'm with you, J.T., I'm with you.

  188. [188] 
    Michale wrote:

    @NUCK

    Trump fucked up, led, then browbeat the folks at NOAA to weave some pathetic tale around his fuck up.

    Yea, except for the FACTS that prove you are completely and utterly WRONG..

    Now we're finding out the CIA pulled one of their most valuable assets out of Russia because they figured Trump would tell his pals in the Kremlin they had a spy in their midst.

    Facts to support?? None?? Of course not..

    He has to go, he's just wasting fresh air in the White House,

    Yea, and every time your Dumbocrats try, they get their asses handed to them!!

    BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Nice ta see ya again, 'Nuck.. Now run away like you usually do.. :D

    "DOMINATION!!!"

    :D

  189. [189] 
    Michale wrote:

    I'm with you, J.T., I'm with you.

    Says the guy who said there would be a PLETHORA of retractions to the Official NOAA Statement..

    And NONE materialized..

    Says the guy who swore up and down that Trump was toast because the AIR FORCE had aircrews stay at a Trump resort...

    And lo and behold, it was a big huge NOTHING burger..

    You people like to have a Mueller-esque event every week, don'tcha?? :D

  190. [190] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    But what do you THINK about it??

    i told you what i think already. donald's followers should sue for protected class status.

  191. [191] 
    Michale wrote:

    i told you what i think already. donald's followers should sue for protected class status.

    Yea, I was hoping for a serious answer.. Oh well..

    I can only deduce that discrimination is perfectly acceptable to Left Wingers as long as the RIGHT people are being discriminated against..

    Confirmation of what I have said all along...

  192. [192] 
    Michale wrote:

    “I really believe sincerely – the climate that we’re in today – if the Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments of the United States Constitution, were put before the public today, I’m not too sure that we would hold onto the Bill of Rights. Especially when I see what people are doing with the Second Amendment and no telling what they would do with the First Amendment.”
    -House Majority Whip James Clyburn

    Well, it's nice to have Democrats finally out of the closet..

    Democrats HATE the Bill Of Rights..

  193. [193] 
    Michale wrote:

    Here it is.. Almost 1600 hrs and not a SINGLE retraction of the **OFFICIAL** NOAA statement...

    Things that make ya go... "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"

    :D

  194. [194] 
    Paula wrote:

    Story now breaking: "Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross threatened to fire top employees at the NOAA after the agency's Birmingham office contradicted Trump's claim that Hurricane Dorian might hit Alabama, three people familiar with the discussion tell NYT."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/climate/hurrican-dorian-trump-tweet.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

    That's the point we've reached.

  195. [195] 
    Michale wrote:

    Story now breaking: "Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross threatened to fire top employees at the NOAA after the agency's Birmingham office contradicted Trump's claim that Hurricane Dorian might hit Alabama, three people familiar with the discussion tell NYT."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/climate/hurrican-dorian-trump-tweet.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

    That's the point we've reached.

    Yea.. I just read that..

    ALL ANONYMOUS SOURCES...

    Not a SINGLE fact to be found..

    Still no retraction from NOAA officials..

  196. [196] 
    Michale wrote:

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/susan-olsen-a-very-brady-bunch-renovation-trump-radio

    Even Cindy Brady is attack by Left Wing thugs..

    Your Democrat Party.. Aren't ya'all sooooo proud??? :eyeroll:

  197. [197] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale,

    I am not sure which is sadder: NOAA putting out a directive to its employees warning them not to contradict anything that Trump says — if he says “it’s raining men”, then the only acceptable response by NOAA employees is “Hallelujah!”— or you cheerleading their “defense” of Trump’s actions as if anyone believes that NOAA’s statement should be accepted at face value. That you approve of any agency saying that the word of one person is always right, no matter what they say, just blows my mind! You’ve truly turned into a cult follower!

    Do you approve of Trump’s sudden decision to end asylum status for those requiring life-saving medical care in this country? These people were given no warning that their status was in jeopardy, they were just sent letters informing them they had 30 days to leave the country or they would face deportation procedures. These are sick individuals, often with extremely rare diseases, who will die if they are forced to stop the treatments that brought them here in the first place! Some of these people were asked to move here by medical researchers because their diseases are so rare that they were needed to participate in the research to help find a cure.

    Is this one of those great policies that Trump is responsible for that you believe we would support if we just looked at it rationally?

    https://www.npr.org/2019/08/27/754634022/trump-administration-ends-protection-for-migrants-medical-care

  198. [198] 
    Michale wrote:

    I am not sure which is sadder: NOAA putting out a directive to its employees warning them not to contradict anything that Trump says — if he says “it’s raining men”, then the only acceptable response by NOAA employees is “Hallelujah!”— or you cheerleading their “defense” of Trump’s actions as if anyone believes that NOAA’s statement should be accepted at face value.

    I can tell you what's sadder...

    You believing all that Left Wing horseshit that doesn't have an IOTA of fact to support it.

    Do you approve of Trump’s sudden decision to end asylum status for those requiring life-saving medical care in this country? These people were given no warning that their status was in jeopardy, they were just sent letters informing them they had 30 days to leave the country or they would face deportation procedures. These are sick individuals, often with extremely rare diseases, who will die if they are forced to stop the treatments that brought them here in the first place! Some of these people were asked to move here by medical researchers because their diseases are so rare that they were needed to participate in the research to help find a cure.

    Is this one of those great policies that Trump is responsible for that you believe we would support if we just looked at it rationally?

    We're discussing ya'all's hysterical attacks on President Trump for his Hurricane Dorian claim..

    All attacks that have been PROVEN to be completely and utter BULLSHIT..

    Let's finish out that topic first..

    Then we can move on to ya'all's OTHER bullshit..

    Mmmm 'kay??

  199. [199] 
    Michale wrote:

    I have noticed ya'all's tendency to bail on events when you can no longer sustain the bullshit..

    Balthy promised a plethora of retractions..

    None are forthcoming..

    Concede that ya'all were wrong and President Trump was factually accurate.. As the FACTS and REALITY prove..

    Then we can move on to Balthy's fantasy USAF deployment scandal..

    Oh.. wait.. I have already exposed that as total bullshit as well..

    Ahh well.. I am SURE ya'all can find SOMETHING to bitch and moan about..

    :D That seems to be ya'all's super power.. :D

  200. [200] 
    Michale wrote:

    And let's keep in mind, people..

    This is the NOAA we're talking about..

    This is the agency whose word you treat as gospel..

    WHEN they say what you want to hear.. :eyeroll:

  201. [201] 
    Michale wrote:

    Aww right.. It's time to spend with my lovely wife..

    Catch ya'all tomorrow.. :D

  202. [202] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    I have noticed ya'all's tendency to bail on events when you can no longer sustain the bullshit..

    Yeah, YOUR BULLSHIT! When it becomes clear that you refuse to honestly debate a topic, choosing instead to stick to a dishonest premise and demanding everyone concede that your dishonest premise must be accepted as fact, then yeah, why not bail?

    And let's keep in mind, people..

    This is the NOAA we're talking about..

    This is the agency whose word you treat as gospel..

    Up until they put out a directive stating that Trump must be right no matter how wrong he actually is! You keep ignoring this little nugget, for good reason! Trump has now caused irreparable damage to the agency’s credibility and effectiveness, which was hard earned, from this day forward!

    Holy shit, you claimed the other day that you call Trump out when he does stupid shit...
    How are you defending this?!!? I’m still waiting for examples of when you have called out Trump for anything, but I don’t expect a response.

    WHEN they say what you want to hear.. :eyeroll:

    Yeah, cause I WANT them to report that a tornado is heading for my home! I WANT them to report that a hurricane is headed your way and is likely going to wipe out your town! Jesus Christ, what a friggin stupid statement...which just goes to show what you are reduced to arguing in order to defend Trump! This is an agency that should not be influenced by partisan politics, and by law are not supposed to be!

    NOAA puts out a directive telling employees not to contradict the dick, and then puts out this statement that -surprise- doesn’t contradict him...and you think that proves Trump was right! My question to you is this — if Trump was wrong, would their statement have indicated that fact?

    I will also note that in the earliest projections, where only 5 out of the 100 computer simulations projected that part of Alabama could be hit, only a small part of the state was at risk. NOAA and the weather service are very specific when they describe who is in the path of a storm. They don’t warn that all of “Texas” should be seeking shelter when only the coast is at risk. Trump’s warning made it sound like Birmingham was just as threatened as Mobile was — which was true, as neither were at risk by the time he tweeted out his warning.

    And what was up with his altering the map with his Sharpie, which you have ignored? And don’t pull the “anyone could have done that” bull...he’s the only manchild who carries around a magic marker instead of a pen... if he didn’t alter it himself, he knows who did since he’d have had to loan them his to do it!

  203. [203] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    President Trump made up a phony deployment that involved hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of US military members..

    And he did ALL that so one of his properties can make an extra one hundred and thirty six dollars..

    Really think about that.. Hopefully you are not too far gone and will come to realize how COMPLETELY and UTTERLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY insane that sounds...

    You think that this was a one time thing? That’s funny! The military, in the last year, has paid $11 million for jet fuel at the local airport — an airport that is critical for Trump’s club to exist and that has been desperate for money to stay afloat. Also, Trump’s club reported a $2 million increase in profits over the last year after years of losing money. Members of the Scottish media uncovered a letter announcing the partnership between the Trump organization and the government owned airport. That you thought this was about just $136, that is what is COMPLETELY and UTTERLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY insane!!!

  204. [204] 
    Michale wrote:

    When it becomes clear that you refuse to honestly debate a topic, choosing instead to stick to a dishonest premise and demanding everyone concede that your dishonest premise must be accepted as fact, then yeah, why not bail?

    And yet, it's YOU people who spew constant bullshit.. Like "retractions are going to be issued" and "President Trump really did collude with Russians" and so on and so on and so on.

    I bring the FACTS to counter your bullshit.

    And ya'all can't handle it, so you bail..

    Up until they put out a directive stating that Trump must be right no matter how wrong he actually is!

    Once again.. MORE BULLSHIT... You have no facts.. Only hate infused bullshit...

    I have the facts and you have your bullshit..

    Ya'all can't handle it so ya'all bail..

    It's THAT simple..

  205. [205] 
    Michale wrote:

    @ Russ

    11 million?? 2 million??

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    For a man of President Trump's worth, 11 mil or 2 mil is pocket change.. He probably carries that on him..

    The FACT is, Balthasar was PROVEN wrong by the facts.

    AGAIN......

    Once again.. Ya'all have the bullshit... I have the facts..

    And so ya'all bail...

  206. [206] 
    Kick wrote:

    Don Harris
    129

    Three teams were on the field. One was good. Two were bad.

    No worries. Don't sweat the small stuff. Football is like life: You win some; you lose some. Enjoy the game in the meantime regardless of the outcome. :)

    While I would love to blame the result on one of the bad teams, the Giants were bad enough all on their own making any argument on how bad the other bad team was irrelevant.

    The Giants have a great running back. I think they looked pretty good for Week 1. They'll be fine. But hopefully not too fine. ;)

  207. [207] 
    Kick wrote:

    JTC
    186

    Yes, sir. :)

  208. [208] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ
    197

    I am not sure which is sadder: NOAA putting out a directive to its employees warning them not to contradict anything that Trump says — if he says “it’s raining men”, then the only acceptable response by NOAA employees is “Hallelujah!”

    *laughs* This is priceless. :)

  209. [209] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    i told you what i think already. donald's followers should sue for protected class status.

    Yea, I was hoping for a serious answer.. Oh well..

    you can't expect a serious answer to a silly question. religious groups are protected by law from discrimination. political groups are not, and that distinction goes both ways. it's also perfectly legal to discriminate against someone because they're a democrat. sure it might not feel so good, but if you're true to your political convictions, it shouldn't bother you in the least.

    JL

  210. [210] 
    Michale wrote:

    you can't expect a serious answer to a silly question. religious groups are protected by law from discrimination. political groups are not, and that distinction goes both ways. it's also perfectly legal to discriminate against someone because they're a democrat. sure it might not feel so good, but if you're true to your political convictions, it shouldn't bother you in the least.

    I already know how I feel about it..

    I wanted to know how YOU feel about Democrats who claim to be the epitome of tolerance and respect and then turns around and denies service based on political beliefs...

    I mean, if your ONLY argument is what is legal or not, if there is no morality or ethics involved, just say so..

    Something along the lines of, I don't have ANY problem with discrimination as long as all laws are followed..

    So, if some guy in a I LOVE WARREN shirt has a blinding headache, YOU don't have a problem with the grocer who has a bunch of I LOVE TRUMP signs refuses to sell the Warren fan some aspirin...

    After all, it's NOT involving a protected class, so it's PERFECTLY legal with no moral or ethical issues involved..

    I just wanted to make sure I understand your position.

    And now I do..

    Thank you..

  211. [211] 
    dsws wrote:

    An interesting analysis of turnout vs swing voting in 2018:
    https://medium.com/@yghitza_48326/revisiting-what-happened-in-the-2018-election-c532feb51c0

    Comparing the presidential election of 2016 to the House elections of 2018, the difference was swing voting, contrary to what I believed. But when they compare apples to apples (congressional vs congressional, 2014 and 2018) the difference is which voters turn out.

    I still say all elections are turnout elections. But I was wrong about the degree to which this is true.

  212. [212] 
    dsws wrote:

    I haven't kept up with every tweet, meme, and late-night comedy monologue in Sharpiegate, but here's my impression:

    Trump's statement was not correct. There was no time at which it was forecast that Alabama would "most likely be hit" at all. The probability topped out at 20%. Even if that 20% chance had been realized, the "much harder than" part wouldn't apply. The possible brush with the fringes of Dorian by a small part of Alabama was never expected to be much harder than a gentle summer breeze.

    However,

    NOAA was right to refuse comment on exactly what Trump had said. Their job is to forecast the weather, not to parse presidential statements. They stuck to that job. Good for them.

    And,

    NOAA was also right to correct the person at the Birmingham bureau who used absolute language in response to a presidential tempest-in-a-teaspoon. The folks there are professionals, who should be held to a corresponding standard. That means not involving themselves in a political dispute, and it means saying "negligible" when they mean negligible.

  213. [213] 
    Kick wrote:

    dsws
    212

    NOAA was also right to correct the person at the Birmingham bureau who used absolute language in response to a presidential tempest-in-a-teaspoon. The folks there are professionals, who should be held to a corresponding standard. That means not involving themselves in a political dispute, and it means saying "negligible" when they mean negligible.

    The forecasting of the weather isn't a "political dispute." If the President of the United States incorrectly informs an entire state via a tweet that a potential deadly weather event is "most likely" going to "hit (much) harder than anticipated" and ends the tweet with "GOD BLESS EVERYONE," then scientists with their phones ringing off the hook ought to be able to do their jobs as scientists and notify the inquiring people who want the facts. Alabama wasn't in the path of Dorian when Trump made the false tweet, and the taxpayers of Alabama had a right to know that whether the Moron-In-Chief is a thin-skinned Fat Bastard or not. :)

  214. [214] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    the taxpayers of Alabama had a right to know that whether the Moron-In-Chief is a thin-skinned Fat Bastard or not

    @kick,

    if they didn't know that already by now it's probably their own damn fault.

  215. [215] 
    Kick wrote:

    JL
    214

    if they didn't know that already by now it's probably their own damn fault.

    Heh.

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