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Friday Talking Points -- Judging The Fire In The Belly

[ Posted Friday, August 2nd, 2019 – 17:22 UTC ]

Well, the second round of the Democratic debates is over, which means we are now smack in the middle of the debate about the debates. This is a window where we don't yet have an accurate picture of whether this week's debates will change anything in the polling (likely outcome: not very much), so instead of hard data all we have to argue about is sheer speculation and opinion. And, from what's being said, some are wringing their hands with worry.

They shouldn't be. Seriously, we are still so early in the process that all of this will be forgotten (for better or worse) by the time anyone actually casts a ballot. So calm down, everyone, and stop freaking out.

While we had our own specific reactions to the debates (which we wrote about Wednesday and Thursday, if anyone's interested), our overall impression was pretty good. The frontrunners, for the most part, showed why they are the frontrunners. The wannabes tried mightily to create a breakout moment, but for the most part this eluded them. Few people are likely to change the way they see the field after this second round of debates. But that's not to say it wasn't a valuable way to see the contrasts between the candidates.

For those who are freaking out (even just a little), please remember that there are a few things the mainstream media is largely missing. First on this list is the fact that of course Barack Obama's record is going to get some criticism. Joe Biden -- the far-and-away frontrunner -- was his vice president, after all. Biden's got a very long record, but anything older than his veep stint is going to sound dated. Biden has also tied himself so closely with Obama that he invites such scrutiny -- which, again, should really come as no surprise. Obama was a great president, but nobody's perfect. Biden is going to be faced with having to explain where he and Obama fell short, because it is the most prominent thing on his résumé, plain and simple. If Bernie Sanders or Kamala Harris (or anyone else) were leading the pack right now, then this wouldn't be happening. But Biden is, so of course it is going to. Take a deep breath and relax -- there'll be plenty of time to bash Trump around once the nomination is secured.

Also, please everyone take another deep breath about all the punditary handwringing over "going too far left." In the first place, it is not going to matter, as Pete Buttigieg brilliantly pointed out in what was possibly the best line of either debate night: "If we embrace a far-left agenda, they're going to say we're a bunch of crazy socialists. If we embrace a conservative agenda, you know what they're going to do? They're going to say we're a bunch of crazy socialists." He's right. That is exactly what they're going to do. Whether it works or not is going to depend on the candidate, but also how popular these so-called "far-left" ideas really are with the American public. Most of them actually poll incredibly high -- even a majority of Republicans support Elizabeth Warren's proposed "wealth tax," for instance. If a solid majority of the country supports an idea, then by definition that idea is not "far left," it is, in fact, mainstream. Republicans will be working overtime to deny these facts, but Democrats shouldn't shy away from fighting back against this misperception.

In the second place, voters know candidates are going to overpromise to some extent or another. Presidential candidates run on goals, aspirations, and ideals. That's the way it works. When they get into office, they have to deal with the reality of Congress. But voters are pretty forgiving in this regard.

Think, for a moment, whether anyone now remembers exactly what Barack Obama's white paper said on his plans for expanding healthcare before he became president. Did his campaign's plan match up precisely with Obamacare? No, it did not. It had to survive the meatgrinder that is congressional sausagemaking. As all campaign promises have to, to become actual law. And, once again, voters know this. Which is why splitting hairs between 20 competing healthcare plans right now in Democratic debates may be fascinating to wonks, but won't really mean much in the end. Because in the end, the voters are going to be receptive to the much larger campaign message of: "Democrats want to improve healthcare, while Republicans want to take it away or make it harder to get." This larger message was one of the biggest reasons Democrats made the gains they did in the 2018 midterms, and it likely will still resonate pretty well with the voters in 2020. You know what any Democratic candidates' healthcare plan is going to go up against? Donald Trump promising -- once again -- that he'll magically create a wonderful healthcare plan after the election is over. This is the same promise that the GOP has been making pretty much since the day Obamacare passed ("Trust us -- just vote us in and we'll unveil the best healthcare plan you've ever seen... after the election, of course"), and like always, they never make good on their promise. Which Trump won't be able to do this time, either. And the voters have woken up to this bait-and-switch con job, as 2018 already proved. So let's all have a little less handwringing about the relative differences between all the Democrats' healthcare plans, because any of them would be miles beyond anything Republicans can come up with.

Trump can't really make the case (although he'll probably try) that Democratic promises are unrealistic, because he has no legislative record to run on. All of his grandiose campaign promises have been broken or ignored. Let's take just one example from his most recent rally, in Cincinnati:

"The president promised to fix the Brent Spence Bridge, to invest $1 trillion in infrastructure projects and to support American workers," Ohio Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown said in a statement. "Instead, we've seen a president who has betrayed workers."

A top aide to former Ohio governor and 2016 Republican presidential hopeful John Kasich said the reason Trump has not delivered is not complicated. "He's a liar," said John Weaver. "Yet some of the suckers still flock."

An administration official, on condition of anonymity, said: "There is considerable disagreement between Ohio and Kentucky as to how to pay for a new bridge. It is our hope that an agreement can be reached between the two sides to fund this important project."

Trump, though, promised in 2016 to build a replacement bridge -- not broker an agreement between the two states to pay for it themselves. The official declined to address that question.

Trump first promised to address the bridge just days before the 2016 election, at a rally in nearby Wilmington, Ohio, adding that the money could come from not paying "billions" to the United Nations to combat climate change. "Let's save the money and replace the Brent Spence Bridge in Cincinnati, you like that? Which is critical to the region."

He repeated the promise weeks into his term, in March 2017, telling a local TV reporter: "We're going to get it fixed.... It's dangerous, OK. We have many bridges like that."

Trump promised then, as he has promised many times both before and since, to push a massive "infrastructure" plan: "We're going to spend a trillion dollars on infrastructure and we're going to renew our country. We have no choice. The roads, the bridges, the airports, the schools."

But now in his 30th month in office, Trump and his White House have yet to send a comprehensive infrastructure plan to Capitol Hill, despite repeated claims that they were about to. The last meeting scheduled on the topic between Trump and Democratic congressional leaders, on May 22, ended moments after it started, with Trump leaving in a huff over the House's investigations of him. "Infrastructure week," in fact, has become an inside-the-Beltway joke to describe any particularly chaotic week in the White House.

This is Trump's record, which he will have to run on. This is just one of hundreds of such promises Trump has broken or ignored. And whomever the Democratic candidate turns out to be, they'll be pointing this out on a regular basis. So Trump really doesn't have a leg to stand on in the "you're promising too much" debate.

We do wish at least some of the Democratic candidates would start "working the refs" a bit more in these debates. We saw one example of this on CNN, where the network promised it wouldn't ask silly "raise your hands" questions, but that's more of a technical problem than a journalistic one. The media likes to have things both ways -- they hammer one particular issue, and then they turn right around and criticize Democrats for not "getting their message out" about all the other issues of the day. The best example of this is impeachment, which is barely being talked about on the campaign trail because voters for the most part don't really care about it all that much (at least, when choosing which presidential candidate to support). You wouldn't know this from the amount of attention the media spends on it, but it's true.

So instead of some inane "Would you like to attack the person standing next to you on the stage for a miniscule difference in your position papers?" leading question, what we'd sincerely love is to hear some Democratic candidate respond with the following:

"You know what? That's a stupid question and I'm not going to answer it. You're trying to 'create conflict' because it boosts ratings, but in all the debates so far I have yet to hear one question from you guys about an issue that working Americans really care about -- raising the minimum wage to fifteen bucks an hour. The House of Representatives passed a $15-an-hour hike, but you guys in the media totally ignored it so you could write another 'Democrats focusing too much on impeachment' story. This would be a monumental change for tens of millions of American workers, and it is a fundamental difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, and you are absolutely ignoring it. Shame on you! Hiking the minimum wage would most likely mean wage increases starting from the bottom of the jobs ladder and moving up, in a J.F.K. 'rising tide lifting all boats' sort of way. Millions of Americans would have millions of dollars more in their paychecks to spend on whatever they like. It would be an absolute gamechanger for a huge slice of the American electorate. Democrats have now become unified over accepting nothing short of $15 an hour, but the Republicans refuse to act because they hate the concept of a minimum wage to begin with. That is a core difference between the parties on a core issue that I feel is much more worthy of a question in these debates than whatever nonsense you just asked me."

You think that would get a big hand from the crowd? You think that clip might just go viral? Because that would cut through some of the repetitious questions about issues that may be important to some but are nowhere near the core agenda of the Democratic Party today. Work the refs -- shame the media into doing real journalism and finding out what the voters want to hear discussed during the debates, rather than what the editorial room decides. And there is no shortage of such ideas to spontaneously bring up, because as usual the debate moderators have limited themselves to a very strange subset of issues. Bringing up voting rights, or gerrymandering, or all the infrastructure Trump promised but didn't deliver on would resonate with the voters rather than the list of Republican talking points the moderators seem to be working from, but this dynamic will not change until one of the Democrats directly challenges them on it.

Looking at the bigger picture, when we watched the debates this week, we focused on only one thing: Does this person have the "fire in the belly" to take on Trump, or not? Can you imagine this particular candidate debating Trump onstage, and how do you think they would do against him? That's really all that matters at such an early point in the race.

Debating Trump is going to be hard, because he's a loudmouthed bully and a blowhard. He has no command of the facts, but he doesn't care one whit. He launches playground insults by the bucketful and refuses to admit he's ever been wrong about anything. Anyone who thinks debating him is easy should ask the 16 Republicans who had to do so last time around how it went for them. That is what the Democratic nominee is going to face, and that's what was foremost in our minds while watching them all.

As previously mentioned, we aren't too worried about the Democratic field at this point. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris would each (in their own way) be a strong candidate in a Trump debate. All four of them have sufficient fire in the belly to face him. Cory Booker and Pete Buttigieg didn't make as strong an impression, but then that's probably why they aren't quite in the top tier. This is a sorting process, and so far it's working out the way it is supposed to. So we're not particularly worried about Democrats' chances at this point in time, personally.

There was some other political news this week, but most of it revolved around Donald Trump proving for the umpteenth time that, yes, he is a racist. This time his target was Baltimore, a city Trump knows so little about that a few weeks back he praised them for that big "Star-Spangled Banner" battle they won during the Revolutionary War (that actually happened in the War of 1812). Trump tweeted, everyone with a conscience (meaning precious few Republicans, of course) reacted strongly against him, and then Ben Carson -- probably the only African-American left who still gets to attend meetings at the White House -- went to Baltimore to defend Trump's racism. So it goes, in the Trump administration. During the fray, it was revealed not only that Trump had lit into Obama about Baltimore years ago, but also that his son-in-law is a slumlord there as well. We'll get to all of that in the talking points, however.

What else? It was revealed that none other than Saint Ronald of Reagan was also a racist, way back when he was the governor of California calling up his fellow Californian Tricky Dick Nixon in the Oval Office to chat about the "monkeys" he saw on his teevee screen. Nothing like the architect of the "Southern Strategy" to be revealed for what he was to all the world, is there?

Speaking of California, there's going to be a marquee court case pretty soon, since the state just passed an eminently reasonable law to require any presidential candidate to publicly release five years of income taxes before appearing on the ballot. After all, both Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan did so, back in the day, so what could possibly be the problem?

Trump, in a snit, declared that he'll be levying more taxes on American consumers, in the form of more tariffs on everything China sends us. He also, before his snit, told his voters that -- astonishingly -- there will be no trade deal with China until (are you sitting down?) after the election. This all came during the week when the Federal Reserve had to lower interest rates during good economic times precisely because Trump's trade war with China is bringing the economy down. Irony is dead, in other words.

And finally, Trump signed the bill that Jon Stewart (and others) had lobbied so hard for, which will permanently fund the money for the 9/11 first responders. Being Trump, though, he had to try to shoehorn himself into all the praise. No, really. Here's what Trump had to say:

Many of those affected were firefighters, police officers and other first responders. And I was down there also. But I am not considering myself a first responder. But I was down there. I spent a lot of time down there with you.

This isn't the first time he has blatantly lied in a disgraceful and disgusting attempt to steal some of the first responders' thunder -- he did so back while campaigning the first time around as well: "Everyone who helped clear the rubble -- and I was there, and I watched, and I helped a little bit."

Every time you think Trump has set the bar so damn low that he just can't move it any lower, he manages to do so in increasingly revolting ways. This is just this week's installment of this progression, in other words.

Just imagine for one tiny second what Republicans would say about a Democrat who made such a false and self-serving statement.

 

Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week

These awards are, as always, pretty subjective, and this week they may be more subjective than most, because we're choosing them only from the debate candidates.

While several candidates turned in fairly impressive debate performances, we have to agree with the general sentiment that Elizabeth Warren was the most impressive of all of them, so we're handing her this week's Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week award.

Warren is as sharp as they come and, famously, "has a plan" for everything. She combines wonky command of all the details with one of the rarest qualities any politician can have -- she can explain the most complicated and complex issue in a way that just about anyone can understand. Previously, the best politician we've ever seen achieve this was Bill Clinton, but we have to say that Warren even gives Bubba a run for the money in this respect.

During the first round of debates, Warren was the only frontrunner on the stage for one of the debates (all the others drew the other night), so she really didn't have anything to prove. She stayed in the background for the most part, which was probably the smart move. But this time around, she was on stage with Bernie Sanders. There was no tension at all between them, because they effectively teamed up against all the low-polling moderates who were attacking their ideas. In fact, we could easily have given this week's MIDOTW to Bernie, who also had a good night.

But Warren somehow edged Bernie out. She strongly defended and advocated for her ideas and plans, and took on all comers with aplomb. She got off several zingers while at the same time never crossing over the line into nasty or personal attacks. She rarely (if ever) stumbled over her words or what she was trying to say. She showed that she will be a formidable opponent for any of the other Democrats to beat, and now the buzz over the third round of debates seems to all be about how she'll fare on the same stage as Joe Biden (who is the leader of the moderate faction).

Warren had a good debate, and we would not be surprised at all if she reaps a polling bounce as a direct result. She is the increasing choice of those who want big bold ideas but who shy away from backing Bernie (for one reason or another). She's Bernie without the edginess, in a lot of ways.

Of course, we have no idea what her ultimate chances are to win the nomination fight, but she sure looked pretty impressive on stage at this week's debate. Which was enough for us to award her the Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week, once again.

[Congratulate Senator Elizabeth Warren on her Senate contact page, to let her know you appreciate her efforts.]

 

Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week

Even limiting ourselves to candidates from the debate stage didn't make this choice obvious at first. There were plenty of disappointing Democrats on stage, who disappointed the viewers in different ways. Either by turning in a really bad debate performance or by advocating the same "Dream Small!" moderation that likely contributed heavily to Hillary Clinton's loss, there was disappointment all around.

We finally decided that John Delaney deserves the Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week award, because he was the most prominent of the bunch. Delaney led the charge of the moderates in the first debate, aided and abetted by CNN shining an overlarge spotlight upon his candidacy. All night long, he spouted Republican talking points and warned how dangerous it was to have big and bold ideas. He was Debbie Downer wrapped in a wet blanket, if we might mix a metaphor or two.

The media has an ongoing obsession with the moderate faction of Democrats, because many of them think the same way" "...let's slow down, don't go too fast, let's just take some incremental steps...." But let's look at the reality. Joe Biden, the biggest moderate name, is indeed leading in the polls. But then he's also the biggest name in the race, and has been since Day One. But other than Biden, how many of the moderates are doing well? From where we sit, none of them are. The second, third, and fourth place in the nomination race are all occupied by progressives (Sanders, Warren, and, to a lesser degree, Harris). Pete Buttigieg still has some energy behind him, but not nearly as much as many pundits thought at the start. So what's the fascination with so many moderate candidates polling at one percent or less? Their ideas (or, to be fair, their personalities) just have not caught on with the voters, and this is not likely to change any time soon.

Delaney was the poster child for this obsession with the moderates, and as such he didn't do all that bad a job of presenting his case. But his case was the problem, not his delivery. In fact, we've saved the best quote from Elizabeth Warren for Delaney's award segment, because it is just as profound as the Buttigieg line we quoted earlier. In exasperated response to one of Delaney's "whoa, there, let's not get too crazy" answers, Warren shot back at him: "You know, I don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the United States just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. I don't get it."

Which pretty much also sums up our feelings, and which was the biggest reason why we decided to give the Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week to none other than John Delaney.

[John Delaney is a private citizen and our blanket policy is not to link to candidate webpages, so you'll have to look up his contact info yourself if you'd like to let him know what you think of his actions.]

 

Friday Talking Points

Volume 536 (8/2/19)

OK, we're finally back to our enumerated talking points for the week. This week, we focused mostly on the Trump idiocy surrounding Baltimore, and his racism in general. But we just had to take one more swipe at Mitch McConnell to get the ball rolling, as well.

As always, please use our talking points responsibly! Heh.

 

1
   #MoscowMitch

This was the theme of last week's column, and apparently it's getting under Mitch's skin. Or turtle shell, if you prefer. Whatever, it seems to be working.

"I see that the hashtag #MoscowMitch seems to be getting more popular, as Mitch McConnell struggles to defend the indefensible. Over and over again, we are getting warned that Russia is currently interfering in our elections and that they will be doing so throughout the 2020 election cycle. We've heard this from multiple national security experts, but none of it matters to Moscow Mitch. Bill after bill has been proposed -- by Democrats, by Republicans, and by bipartisan groups -- and Mitch refuses to allow votes on any of them. His inaction is playing into Vladimir Putin's hands, plain and simple. We're being told there is a four-alarm fire raging, and Mitch refuses to allow the firefighters into the building. Moscow Mitch even gave a long speech this week where he whined about his new nickname, which was not exactly a profile in courage. If Moscow Mitch doesn't want to be Moscow Mitch any more, then he should allow the Senate to defend American democracy by passing election safety legislation. Until he does so, Moscow Mitch is what I'll be calling him."

 

2
   Really? Where?

This is amusing, but also could be the start of a growing trend.

"More and more Republicans in Congress are taking a look at their re-election chances and deciding that this would be a good year to 'spend more time with their family' rather than run again. Eight GOP House members have announced their impending retirement in the past few weeks, the most recent of which is the only African-American Republican in the House. Now, my reaction to this news was probably the same as yours: 'There's a black Republican in the House?!? Who knew!' Kidding aside, though, it's looking like 2020 is going to be another election cycle where we see a whole bunch of Republicans just throw in the towel rather than attempt to defend their record -- and Donald Trump's -- to their voters. Better to bow out gracefully than lose big time at the ballot box, I suppose."

 

3
   There's a tweet for that

As usual with Donald Trump, there's almost always a previous tweet of his which exposes his own bluster and hypocrisy better than anything anyone else could say.

"Donald Trump certainly has a different viewpoint of what the president is supposed to be responsible for now that he's in the Oval Office. He now lays the blame for the state of Baltimore with a House member, as if Representative Elijah Cummings were mayor of his own district or something. But Trump didn't always have this hands-off attitude towards who should be responsible. Way back in 2015, he tweeted at Barack Obama: 'Our great African American President hasn't exactly had a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and openly destroying Baltimore!' He followed this up with another tweet: 'President Obama, you have a big job to do. Go to Baltimore and bring both sides together. With proper leadership, it can be done! Do it.' He also promised 'I would fix it fast!' Now that he's in the Oval Office and has the ability to 'go to Baltimore and bring both sides together,' instead he is the one creating all the division. As is almost always true, Donald Trump is contradicted most scathingly by... Donald Trump."

 

4
   The slumlord of Kushnerville

Hoo boy. You just can't make this stuff up, folks.

"If Donald Trump wants to make things in Baltimore better, perhaps he should just tell his own son-in-law to get on the ball. Jared Kushner's company owns buildings in Baltimore than have, quote, maggots in the living room carpet and raw sewage spewing from the kitchen sink, unquote. That's right -- if Trump wants to see vermin-infested properties that no human being would want to live in, he just needs to borrow the keys from Jared. Nancy Pelosi pointed this out to the press this week, saying: 'Maybe you could ask [Trump's] son-in-law, who's a slumlord there, if he wants to talk about rodent infestations.'"

 

5
   The people have spoken

Another fun poll to taunt Trump with!

"A new poll just in shows that over half of the American people think that the president of the United States is a racist. That's an astounding thing, especially when you consider that more people think Trump is a racist now than thought that George Wallace was a racist when he ran for president in 1968 on a segregationist platform. That's stunning. Now, some presidents can disguise their racism in dog whistles and plausible deniability, and their racism won't be uncovered until years later -- as just happened with Ronald Reagan, I should mention -- but for someone like Trump, racism is not just who he is, it will also be just as central to his second presidential campaign as it was to his first. The only difference is that more and more people are waking up to this reality."

 

6
   Please double down, Mr. President

This also needs to be hammered on by Democrats.

"Donald Trump thinks he is the biggest political genius of all time, which of course proved not to be the case in the midterms. in 2018, the entire Republican Party ran on fearmongering the immigrants and trying to use Nancy Pelosi as a terrifying vision of the impending Democratic apocalypse. You know what? It backfired. Badly. The Democrats -- led by Pelosi -- retook the House. This time around, Trump is still convinced that racism and fear of dark-skinned people is going to be the winning ticket for him. He is leading the party to make their demonizing focus the 'Squad,' led by House freshman Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. This is going to work about as well as demonizing Pelosi did. He's already beginning to lose a big part of his base -- white women with no college education. After surveying this demographic in the battleground states, one veteran Democratic pollster summed things up by saying: 'I came away utterly unafraid of [Trump] playing the immigration card in its most extreme form.' It seems that Trump's bullying tactics are turning off some of the same people who voted for him last time around. If Trump continues to double down on the nastiness, it could backfire even more spectacularly than it did in 2018."

 

7
   Right-wing domestic terrorism

Once again, Democrats need to point this out, because nobody else is going to.

"One of the biggest terrorism threats America faces is being completely ignored by our leaders in Washington. Right-wing domestic terrorism is a growing problem, but the Republicans have their heads in the sand. More people have died in recent years from right-wing terrorist attacks such as mass shootings than have died in this country from Muslim terrorists. This week, the F.B.I. warned in no uncertain terms about the growing threat from 'conspiracy theory-driven domestic extremists,' like the guy who listened to too much Fox News and started sending pipe bombs to Democratic leaders. The warnings are plain to see, for any who will look. And yet we do nothing on a national scale to combat this growing threat, because one political party is too afraid of their own base voters."

-- Chris Weigant

 

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338 Comments on “Friday Talking Points -- Judging The Fire In The Belly”

  1. [1] 
    neilm wrote:

    Why are the DNC letting the TV channels pick the moderators and the questions?

    Why not pick their own moderators and/or specify the subjects for the debate?

    This will be easier when it is a single stage cycle.

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  2. [2] 
    Kick wrote:

    CW: You know what any Democratic candidates' healthcare plan is going to go up against? Donald Trump promising -- once again -- that he'll magically create a wonderful healthcare plan after the election is over.

    Exactly right. Now please read that excerpt again slowly and carefully and explain to me how any Democratic candidate's healthcare plan that promises to enact something like an everybody is covered and pays nothing out of pocket "Medicare for All" plan after the election is over is going to sound any different than Donald Trump.

    * Do you maybe see how there is a breaking point where the promises sound like two sides of the same coin?

    * Can you maybe hear Donald Trump saying: "And they call me a con?"

    Now throw in free "College for All," forgiving all student debt, and doubling the minimum wage. Just saying... and I got more still if you're not there yet.

  3. [3] 
    neilm wrote:

    Kick [2]

    It like you listened to the discussion in my house this evening with my wife and eldest son.

    However Liz comes out well because at least she has a plan.

  4. [4] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Neil,

    Why are the DNC letting the TV channels pick the moderators and the questions?

    Good question.

    And, I'd like to know which member of the devolutionary media asked about bussing. Devolutionary is not a strong enough term.

  5. [5] 
    Kick wrote:

    CW: So Trump really doesn't have a leg to stand on in the "you're promising too much" debate.

    You'll get no argument from me there, but, of course, Trump will just blame Democrats for all his empty promises, and there's still a breaking point where your rhetoric and his are just two sides of the same coin where you blame "millionaires and billionaires" -- oh, wait, it's "billionaires" now -- while Trump blames the "browns," and meanwhile everybody is promising too much... so what's the difference? One coin, two sides.

  6. [6] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm
    3

    It's like you listened to the discussion in my house this evening with my wife and eldest son.

    I'm sneaky that way. ;)

    However Liz comes out well because at least she has a plan.

    With the exception of a health care plan, I will certainly give you that. She'd have my vote too, but they're not promising any less than Trump, and therein could lie a huge problem unless it's remedied.

  7. [7] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm|EM
    1|4

    neilm: Why are the DNC letting the TV channels pick the moderators and the questions?

    EM: Good question.

    Perhaps we understand now why allowing Fox News to host a debate was thought to be a bad idea to many of us. :)

  8. [8] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm|EM
    1|4

    Forgot to answer your question!

    Because that's the way the debates have always worked. The network sponsor generally chooses the moderators and the questions that are supposed to be unknown before the debate, although it was reported that Trump was given advance questions as well as Clinton in 2016. The network also reaps the sponsorship rewards.

    Fox News hosting a debate could easily slant the questions to kneecap a certain candidate in order to please Trump, and I surely don't have to tell you who that would be.

  9. [9] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    The big picture here is that the national US media is not capable of covering politics - or much else - in a way that is enlightening.

    I have faith that Democratic candidates would perform admirably should they ever be part of a FoxNews debate.

    Chris,

    And, from what's being said, some are wringing their hands with worry.

    That's probably true only if they watch US media, present blog excepted, of course.

  10. [10] 
    Patrick wrote:

    Interesting article on the moderator / debate issue.

    Moderators are supposed to represent voters’ greatest interests and concerns, but how can they do that when they don’t represent a key group of American voters?

    Today’s voter base is more than half women and more than one-third people of color. Networks have a responsibility to ensure these important debates are inclusive, relevant, and actually representative of the American people. It’s ridiculous that we’re still fighting to get a Black woman or a woman of color a seat at the moderators’ table.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/07/30/leftist-womens-groups-future-dem-debates-need-black-women-as-moderators-n2550928

  11. [11] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Also, contrary to what Senator Booker said the other night, Biden can indeed have it both ways.

    Biden can point to all that the Obama/Biden administration accomplished through enlightened policies while at the same time refusing to betray a confidence with the president by making public his advice to Obama on any issue such as deportations.

  12. [12] 
    Michale wrote:

    If a solid majority of the country supports an idea, then by definition that idea is not "far left," it is, in fact, mainstream.

    But that's just the point..

    The majority of the country DOESN'T support Open Borders.. Or Infanticide.. Or Full Free HealthCare for Illegals.. Or reparations for slaver.. Or kicking all Americans off their healthcare plans.

    The vast majority of the country are AGAINST those things..

    So yea.. Democrats SHOULD be freaking out about this far left push...

    In the second place, voters know candidates are going to overpromise to some extent or another. Presidential candidates run on goals, aspirations, and ideals. That's the way it works. When they get into office, they have to deal with the reality of Congress. But voters are pretty forgiving in this regard.

    Bullshit..

    If a candidate promises Open Borders in the Primary and then walks it back in the General, you think that progressives are going to forgive that???

    Drinking the kool-aid again, I see :D

    There was some other political news this week, but most of it revolved around Donald Trump proving for the umpteenth time that, yes, he is a racist.

    Yea??

    Exactly HOW did President Trump "prove" that??

    NO ONE here can answer that...

    "One of the biggest terrorism threats America faces is being completely ignored by our leaders in Washington.

    Yea... That would be AntiFa...

    When are Democrats going to address that???

    I'll be waiting around for that "proof" that President Trump is racist..

    But I have already refuted that six ways from Sunday, so I don't expect to hear anything. :D

  13. [13] 
    Mezzomamma wrote:

    I ask myself not only what policies and programs I agree with, broadly, but whether candidates seem likely to strike a balance between rigidity and over-compromising. Too rigid, and the result is 'no health care is better than a plan which doesn't meet my every specification'; too compromising and even a good plan gets whittled away to an inadequate minimum or is over burdened with special interest additions.

    I would hope to see evidence that older candidates in particular have learned from earlier mistakes and that younger ones are able to learn.

  14. [14] 
    Michale wrote:

    BTW: here is a little present to save your scroll wheel when the spamming starts:

    Ohh Another spy ware program..

    This is like Neil's "christmas present" Neil sends me every year.. He sends me an online $30 "gift card" every christmas so he can track how and where I spend it..

    I caught on to his scam years ago so just ignore it whenever it comes..

    His spyware script is just another scam...

    But, I have to laugh that he devotes so much time to someone he claims to ignore.. :D

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  15. [15] 
    Paula wrote:

    CW: Totally agree that people should put away the smelling salts! Jeebus, these were DEBATES. Some clashes happened - what's the big deal? There's no bit of oppo. research that isn't going to get thrown at the winning nominee by Blotus/GOP so our candidate needs to deal with tough questions and attacks NOW.

    I pretty much agree with the entirety of today's post - spot on!

  16. [16] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Balthasar

    Didn't see you around... Are you busy licking your wounds re: the Democrat far Left push???

    A far Left push that you claimed was non-existent..

    Until yer guy, Obama CONFIRMED it!!

    Looks like ya got bitch-slapped, eh buddy??? :D

  17. [17] 
    Michale wrote:

    CW: Totally agree that people should put away the smelling salts! Jeebus, these were DEBATES. Some clashes happened - what's the big deal?

    The big deal??

    Our very own cockholster said that it would never happen..

    We are able to have differing opinions on how we best solve problems without having to resort to name calling and insults.
    -Russ

    He claimed that Democrats are above that sort of thing..

    But, as I have pointed out time and again... Democrats are just as nasty and corrupt and intolerant as they accuse Republicans of being..

  18. [18] 
    Michale wrote:

    Biden can point to all that the Obama/Biden administration accomplished through enlightened policies while at the same time refusing to betray a confidence with the president by making public his advice to Obama on any issue such as deportations.

    Not according to the rest of the Democrat Party...

    :^/

  19. [19] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Patrick

    Today’s voter base is more than half women and more than one-third people of color. Networks have a responsibility to ensure these important debates are inclusive, relevant, and actually representative of the American people. It’s ridiculous that we’re still fighting to get a Black woman or a woman of color a seat at the moderators’ table.

    So... You want to base a spot on the Moderator team SOLELY on the color of one's skin???

    Hmmmmm Sounds kinda racist....

    Wait a tic.. It IS racist..

    Well, not surprising.. You ARE part of the Party that created the KKK.. The Democrat Party's racism is well-documented and well-established..

    By the bi.. Did you ever find any FACTS to support your bullshit claims about the Gilroy shooting??? No??

    Of course you didn't... :eyeroll:

  20. [20] 
    Michale wrote:

    I noticed ya'all ignore the massively good news on the Jobs front, eh?? :D

    Can't be acknowledging the GOOD that President Trump has done for the country, eh?? :D

    HHPTDS is alive and well..

  21. [21] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ocasio-Cortez's embattled chief of staff leaving post after controversies

    Saikat Chakrabarti, the embattled chief of staff for freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., is leaving his position following series of controversies that contributed to public divisions within the House Democratic Caucus.

    “Saikat has decided to leave the office of Rep. Ocasio-Cortez to work with [nonprofit group] New Consensus to further develop plans for a Green New Deal,” Corbin Trent, Ocasio-Cortez director of communications, told The Intercept Friday.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/report-ocasio-cortez-chief-of-staff-to-leave

    "Boom.. Boom.. Boom.. Another one bites the dust..."
    -Queen

    :D

    Occasional Cortex is losing her racist Chief Of Staff.. hehehehehehe

  22. [22] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, for Occasional Cortex...

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez hit with FEC complaint for alleged 'subsidy scheme'

    EXCLUSIVE -- Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., has been hit with another Federal Election Commission (FEC) complaint, this one alleging she and her campaign manager operated a “subsidy scheme” that ran afoul of campaign finance laws.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-hit-with-fec-complaint-for-alleged-subsidy-scheme

    The hits just keep on comin'!! :D

  23. [23] 
    Michale wrote:

    Bill Maher: 2020 Dems just need to 'come off less crazy' then Trump -- and 'they're blowing it!'
    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/maher-all-the-2020-dems-have-to-do-is-come-off-less-crazy-than-trump-theyre-blowing-it

    Democrats are correct to be concerned..

    They are coming across as the Crazy Party and making President Trump look rational by comparison.. :D

  24. [24] 
    Michale wrote:

    The majority of the country DOESN'T support Open Borders.. Or Infanticide.. Or Full Free HealthCare for Illegals.. Or reparations for slaver.. Or kicking all Americans off their healthcare plans.

    The vast majority of the country are AGAINST those things..

    So yea.. Democrats SHOULD be freaking out about this far left push...

    This here is exactly ya'all's problem..

    You think "Mainstream Democrat Party" = "Mainstream America"...

    You are in error..

    Things that are mainstream Democrat Party, such as infanticide, open borders, full free healthcare for crimmigrants, slavery reparations, throwing all Americans off their healthcare plans....

    All of those are FAR Left for the vast majority of Americans..

    Which simply proves what I have been saying for months.. The Democrat Party has surged FAR to the Left..

    To deny this (which many of ya have tried) is to deny the facts and deny reality...

    Don't take my word for it..

    "As you know, Obama has been trying to stay out of this primary as much as possible, keeping quiet, and not making any endorsements even with his former vice president Joe Biden in the race," Buck said. "But privately Obama, our CNN colleagues are reporting, is expressing exasperation at how far left the party is moving on some policy issues and of course breaking with some of the things he did when he was president."

    Obama is saying the EXACT same thing..

    Obama's word used to mean something... But that was before (you guessed it) the Democrat Party's massive Left ward shift...

    And it's that massive Left ward shift that is going to give President Trump 4 more years...

    Anyone not enslaved by Party ideology knows this to be true..

  25. [25] 
    Michale wrote:

    Better to bow out gracefully than lose big time at the ballot box, I suppose."

    Hehehehehehe That's exactly why Democrats are pushing impeachment..

    "Better to try and impeach President Trump without cause than to lose big time at the ballot box"

    Isn't it simply UNCANNY how all of ya'all's slams against the Right ALSO work against the Left.. :D

    Simply uncanny...

  26. [26] 
    Michale wrote:

    So.... I guess there are NO FACTS to prove ya'all's claims that President Trump is racist...

    And, obviously, no one has any facts that even HINT that President Trump's factual statements about Baltimore are racist..

    Just keeping it real(ity) here... :D

  27. [27] 
    Michale wrote:

    This week, the F.B.I. warned in no uncertain terms about the growing threat from 'conspiracy theory-driven domestic extremists,' like the guy who listened to too much Fox News and started sending pipe bombs to Democratic leaders.

    Or the guy who shot up a baseball field and tried to kill Republicans because he listened to too much Bernie Sanders...

    Once again...

    Any attack you can make against the Right works perfectly and factually well against the Left...

    And do you REALLY want to talk about conspiracy theories??

    I mean, considering how utterly and totally bitch-slapped Democrats got over their Russia Collusion Delusion...

    I'm just sayin'..... :D

    Again.. Just keepin' it real(ity) :D

  28. [28] 
    Michale wrote:

    Collapsing California cliff claims 3 lives along beach
    https://apnews.com/107bb67b289e42eb85e7c6e140f4b1c8

    Maybe if Democrats in California didn't spend so much money on Crimmigrants, they would be able to pay for infrastructure and programs that would save AMERICAN lives..

    This is EXACTLY the problem with the Democrat Party. They care more for crimmigrants than they do their own citizens and constituents...

  29. [29] 
    Michale wrote:

    I would hope to see evidence that older candidates in particular have learned from earlier mistakes and that younger ones are able to learn.

    I would hope to see evidence that Democrats would recognize what is a mistake and what isn't.

    Alas, I see no such evidence..

  30. [30] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, from what's being said, some are wringing their hands with worry.

    That's probably true only if they watch US media, present blog excepted, of course.

    Actually, MANY Democrats are coming out as wringing their hands in worry..

    Including Joe Biden's former boss...

    I find it remarkable how many of ya'all simply ignore the facts and reality that is inconvenient to ya'all's agenda.

    And then, come 4 Nov 2020 when President Trump wins re-election handily, ya'all will be in shock wondering how this could POSSIBLY have happened..

    Don't fret.. I'll be around to point out the fact that all the warning signs were there..

    Ya'all just refused to accept the facts and accept reality..

  31. [31] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Mike [16],

    Still here. Just watching. Don't use up all the ink on nonsense.

  32. [32] 
    Michale wrote:

    Fox News' Greg Gutfeld questioned Democratic presidential candidates' strategy of attacking former President Barack Obama during this week's debates, saying the former commander-in-chief is being judged by "extreme criteria."

    "Every idea 10 years ago that was seen as sensible is now judged by these extreme criteria that combine intersectionality and identity politics," Gutfeld said Friday on "The Five."

    "At this rate, they will be tearing down statues of Obama before they're even built," Gutfeld added. "Because that's where they're going."
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/greg-gutfeld-on-obama-attacks-dems-proving-trump-right

    Heh..

    "It's funny because it's true.."
    -Homer Simpson

    :D

  33. [33] 
    TheStig wrote:

    Neilm -1

    Thanks for the trash compactor. Is it going to be a regular feature?

  34. [34] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm|Russ

    This is like Neil's "christmas present" Neil sends me every year.. He sends me an online $30 "gift card" every christmas so he can track how and where I spend it..

    I caught on to his scam years ago so just ignore it whenever it comes.. ~ Michale

    OMG! Spew alert, Russ, Neil. The fake cop caught onto your "scam years ago"! I can't stop laughing.

    The inveterate moron who's gone and posted the information of himself, his wife, children, and grandchildren all over this forum multiple times is paranoid that a commenter is sending him a gift card in order to "track" him. Wow! It just doesn't get any bone-deep ignorant than that. :)

  35. [35] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Victoria

    I've just collapsed it into about a dozen comments now that I've invoked "HIDDEN" and relegated it to its proper place of invisibility. Be gone! And so it is.

    So, once again, you prove that you are a liar..

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    The inveterate moron

    It just doesn't get any bone-deep ignorant than that. :)

    I thought we agreed we weren't going to talk about your father like that...

    Well, I guess what else can you expect when the poor guy has a crack whore welfare case for a daughter..

    No wonder he disowned you..

  36. [36] 
    Michale wrote:

    Thanks for the trash compactor. Is it going to be a regular feature?

    Still can't ignore me, eh Stig?? :D

    It's funny how ya'all create all this spyware, SOLELY because you have absolutely NO SELF CONTROL.. :D

    PWNED!!! :D

  37. [37] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Victoria

    neilm|Russ

    Russ???

    Oh.. You mean the cockholster...

  38. [38] 
    Michale wrote:

    Once again, Victoria, Neal & Stig prove they CAN'T ignore me and that I live rent free in their heads.. :D

  39. [39] 
    Michale wrote:

    Still here. Just watching. Don't use up all the ink on nonsense.

    It was you who was spewing nonsense about the Democrat Party surging to the Left..

    Now that I have proven you wrong, now yer afraid to comment..

    I get it.. Your embarrassed that you are ALWAYS wrong about everything.. :D

    I don't have that problem, but I can kinda picture how it is for you.. :D

  40. [40] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ya'all do realize that, by creating all these crutches so you can "ignore" me and then bragging about them....

    That's the OPPOSITE of "ignoring" me...

    You DO realize that, right??

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    All you prove is that ya'all have NO SELF CONTROL and that I have an ever expanding space in ya'all's heads. Rent free!! :D

  41. [41] 
    TheStig wrote:

    Paula 15

    I agree, What did anybody expect from that format? Or from CNN? You get what you pay for....and endure what you sign up for.

    I really don't like CNN. My ironic Hell would be watching CNN for eternity. Worse still, all Blitzer all the tine.

    Gotta run. Just time for one more cup of coffee before I lace up.

  42. [42] 
    Michale wrote:

    I have to wonder...

    If I pulled a VICTORIA and paid one of those FIND DIRT ON ANYONE websites...

    I wonder what I could find out about Neil McGovern in Contra Costa County California...

    Hmmmmmmmmmm

    Naaww.. I don't want to be as pathetic and disgusting as Victoria is...

  43. [43] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hmmmmmmmmmm

    Naaww.. I don't want to be as pathetic and disgusting as Victoria is.

    NOBODY would want to be as disgusting and pathetic as VICTORIA is...

  44. [44] 
    Michale wrote:

    I even think I have Neil's snail mail address around here..

    Since he was the one who sic'ed Victoria on me by releasing my address, maybe I should return the favor...

    Naaaw.. What kind of sick retarded scumbag pathetic excuse for a human being would do that...

    That's strictly VICTORIA territory right there...

  45. [45] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oh shit...

    Sorry Neil..

    I forgot to wish you a happy birthday....

    Happy Birthday, Dood.. :D

  46. [46] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    I was reminded recently that the last two successful Democratic candidates for U S President were under 50 when they won.
    I hope that the Democratic voters will choose a candidate with progressive ideas and a do-or-die attitude to implement them. Is it too much to hope that that candidate also be decades younger than Trump?
    Here's commentary that has interesting food for thought.
    'In a May poll by the Pew Research Center, 47 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents said the ideal age for a president is someone in their 50s. Only 3 percent thought a 70-something would be ideal. A Reuters/Ipsos poll produced similar findings. This isn’t just damaging news for Biden but for his opponents Elizabeth Warren (70) and Bernie Sanders (77) as well. (Trump’s age seems not to deter Republican voters.) '
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/02/joe-biden-age-media-227499

  47. [47] 
    Michale wrote:

    I hope that the Democratic voters will choose a candidate with progressive ideas and a do-or-die attitude to implement them. Is it too much to hope that that candidate also be decades younger than Trump?

    Party purity over electability...

    Yep..

    (Trump’s age seems not to deter Republican voters.) '

    That's because Republicans are, by and large, NOT ageist..

  48. [48] 
    Michale wrote:

    That's because Republicans are, by and large, NOT ageist..

    By and large Republicans are merit-based..

    Unlike Democrats, they don't look at the color of the skin or the age or gender or any other factor..

    Skills are what count...

  49. [49] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Ok. Let me get this straight. Democrats hate Obamacare AND hated his immigration policies? What planet are they from?"
    -MSNBC Joe Scarborough

    In spades...

  50. [50] 
    Michale wrote:

    Gutfeld added that while candidates may be right to judge Obama negatively, the reason they are doing so is because of shifting views within the party.

    "So maybe they're right to go after Obama," he said. "But the reason why they're going after him, right, is because ... they've moved the goalposts."

    Yep.. The Democrat Party has moved massively to the Left..

    Only an idiot or a Party slave would deny this fact..

  51. [51] 
    Michale wrote:

    Worst Democratic Strategy Yet: Attack Obama’s Legacy

    Rather than effectively prosecute the easy case against the worst president ever, the Democrats went after one of the best.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/opinion/democratic-debate-obama.html

    Welcome to the Fringe-Turned-Mainstream Democrat Party..

    Yea... THAT's the way Democrats will beat President Trump.. :eyeroll:

  52. [52] 
    Michale wrote:

    With 66 weeks to go until the election, the Democrats tasked with saving a sinking ship of state have shown that they would rather drown in a sea of self-righteousness than steer the Donald Trump-rotted hulk to a fresh shore.

    You know the presidential debates this week were a disaster for Democrats because Republican attack ads are already parroting the lines used by the leading candidates: Take away people’s private health care, decriminalize the border, socialism!

    As everyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together has stated..

    President Trump and the GOP were the BIG winners of the Democrat debates.. :D

  53. [53] 
    Michale wrote:

    But progressive Democrats have replaced that winning message with a losing message of their own: eliminating the private health insurance of more than 150 million Americans. This is how Senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders expect to win.

    This is the UBER-LEFT NY Grime that is saying this... Not some Republican Talking Point..

    The Fringe Left, which is what every candidate is, sans *MAYBE* Biden, simply WILL not win any American election..

    It's NOT possible..

  54. [54] 
    Michale wrote:

    Meanwhile, Obama, of all people, is now a target for cannibalistic candidates from the left. No Democrat is more popular. A Pew survey last year found that more people named him the greatest president of their lifetime than any other. He wasn’t attacked directly by name this week, but his policies — the audacity of common sense — were.

    Democrats attacked and vilified Barack Hussein Obama..

    If THAT doesn't prove to you how far Left the Democrat Party has skewed, yer either dead, willfully ignorant or a Party slave..

    No other conclusion is possible..

  55. [55] 
    Michale wrote:

    Op-Ed: The Democratic debates didn’t change anything. Trump is still likely to win in 2020
    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-01/democratic-debates-trump-front-runner-joe-biden

    And the Uber Left LA Times has the exact same message..

    Dumbocrats are going to lose...

    It's really that simple...

  56. [56] 
    Michale wrote:

    After watching two nights of Democratic debates, all I can say is this: Man, it’s a tough time to be Barack Obama. Democratic presidential candidates lined up to savage his record with more ferocity than former prosecutor Kamala Harris used to muster for a morning drug arrest docket.

    These are Democrats, people! And they can’t hammer Obama enough on healthcare, trade and immigration. Dude probably has an approval rating of 95% to 98% among the Democrats they’re trying to woo, and yet the candidates are taking batting practice on him.

    Hell, if Trump or any other GOP'er said the things about Odumbo that the Dim Candidates have, ya'all would be screaming RACIST BASTARD!!!! to the high heavens..

    But it's perfectly OK to be a racist if you have a -D after your name... :eyeroll:

  57. [57] 
    Michale wrote:

    Healthcare is the most glaring divide among the Democrats — and a primary source of the attacks on Obama.

    “Nobody can defend the dysfunctionality of the current system!” Bernie Sanders thundered on Night 1. That system, if you are keeping score at home, is Obamacare! The socialist senator from Vermont has moved most of the field his way, which means, in essence, they are advocating repeal-and-replace of Obama’s signature law. Sound familiar?

    How ironic..

    Now it's DEMOCRATS who want to destroy TrainWreckCare!!!

    You can't make this stuff up!!! :D

  58. [58] 
    Michale wrote:

    President Trump’s primary argument for reelection is that he is presiding over an era of peace and prosperity, and no Democrat on either night punctured that argument. While debating skills won’t determine if a Democrat can beat Trump (Hillary bested him, according to polling), I’ve yet to see anyone who worries me more than the others. The best debater they have is clearly Elizabeth Warren, but her dark vision of America will seem foreign to voters living in a country with low unemployment and rising wages.

    Again.. These are NOT Republican Talking Points..

    They are Uber Left LA TIMES....

  59. [59] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump, like most incumbent presidents, is more likely than not to be reelected. He has all the tools and power of incumbency going for him, and opponents who are more beholden to woke Twitter activists than to average folks in the Midwestern countryside. There’s a lot of runway between now and next November, of course, and Trump has a penchant for stepping in his own you-know-what. But he’s the favorite, and the debates haven’t changed that.

    Once again. FACTS....

    It used to be that this was a place where FACTS.. Where REALITY (Reality-Based Forum?? Ring a bell anyone??) was king..

    Now it's nothing but hysterical Trump and America bashing...

    Add to that OBAMA bashing as well.. :eyeroll:

  60. [60] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    So the Democrats promise during campaigns legislation after they are elected that is different from what they will pass and.or fight for if elected and that is better than Trump promising to come up with a plan after the election.

    The Dems strategy is the Saturday Night Live skit on "Lowered Expectations" and that con job should work better than Trump's for the Dems.

    It was entertaining to read your rant aboot the fictional Dem candidate castigating the media for covering the show instead of important issues and ideas. It was eerily reminiscent of me talking aboot you ignoring One Demand.

    But your rant really doesn't make sense. You seem to think the politicians should be holding the media accountable for not doing their job of holding the politicians accountable when they don't do their job.

    Both the media and politicians need to be held accountable for not doing their jobs. And it is up to citizens to shame the media into doing their jobs (see http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/08/01/throwdown-in-motown-part-2/#comment-141397 ) and influence politicians to do their job by not voting for them and voting against them when they don't do their job and/or offer the same old con while campaigning.

    Get Real.

  61. [61] 
    Michale wrote:

    Fun fact: Obama deported more than 3 million illegal immigrants, versus about 2 million for George W. Bush and less than 1 million for Bill Clinton. Even the Trump Administration isn’t deporting people as fast as Obama did!

    Facts ARE fun... :D

    Another fun fact is the cages that President Trump is putting children in??

    They were first used by Odumbo to put children in...

    I mean, if ya'all are gonna support bashing Obama, ya'all will whole-heartedly agree with me. :D

  62. [62] 
    Michale wrote:

    Just a few weeks ago, Biden’s message was essentially that if we just reset everything to where it was during the Obama years, America would be back on track. But even Biden now seems to think the last Democratic administration made tremendous mistakes. I can’t help but wonder when Democrats will learn to treat Obama the way Republicans treat Ronald Reagan.

    Nope.. Won't happen.. Democrats are too stoopid for that..

  63. [63] 
    Michale wrote:

    Harris is now particularly vulnerable, as she was rattled by Biden on healthcare and flat out waylaid by Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii for jailing so many Californians. Booker may advance if Harris falls out of favor of the national political media, although his incessant whining about Democrats debating each other at a debate was weird.

    Booker's a racist moron.. He doesn't stand a chance of getting the nomination..

  64. [64] 
    Michale wrote:

    A final word about a swing state — Pennsylvania. The attack on coal by several Democrats, including Joe Biden, could have a significant impact on his party’s ability to win back the Keystone State. For people who live in coal-producing areas, this is more than a climate issue. It is a cultural touchstone that badly hurt Hillary Clinton in 2016 and will haunt Democrats again in 2020.

    Yep.. Joe Biden sunk his chances in the General Election by stating flat out unequivocally that he will eliminate fossil fuels in his administration..

    Liz, are you as shocked as I am that Biden would make such a huge mistake???

  65. [65] 
    lharvey16 wrote:

    neilm (1)
    Brilliant! How'd you do that? Editing my CW bookmark.

  66. [66] 
    Michale wrote:

    Brilliant! How'd you do that? Editing my CW bookmark.

    BBBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    What a moron... Can't even figure it out..

    That's why I am not worried about ya'all using crutches to block out what ya can't handle..

    Ya'all are too stoopid to figure it out.. :D

    PWNED!!!

  67. [67] 
    neilm wrote:

    Kick [34]

    Michale: for Pete's sake, spend them - they were meant to cover your and your wife's tickets and some popcorn for the latest Star Wars movies. If you are worried I'm financially stalking you, buy an Amazon card with them then use that.

    They are a gift to show that, despite everything going on in America, one American can buy a ticket to Star Wars for another.

  68. [68] 
    Michale wrote:

    ‘Stay away from Barack’: Dems seethe over criticism of Obama

    Party officials are frustrated that the former president’s record was collateral damage in the debate attacks on Joe Biden.
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/01/democratic-debate-obama-biden-1444825

    Party Unity My Ass!! :D

    hehehehehehe

    It's so hilarious to watch the Democrat Party self-destruct..

  69. [69] 
    Michale wrote:

    They are a gift to show that, despite everything going on in America, one American can buy a ticket to Star Wars for another.

    Here's a thought..

    How about you save your money and just be civil... And encourage others to be civil??

    THAT would be a lot better, don't you think??

  70. [70] 
    Michale wrote:

    Michale: for Pete's sake, spend them - they were meant to cover your and your wife's tickets and some popcorn for the latest Star Wars movies. If you are worried I'm financially stalking you, buy an Amazon card with them then use that.

    Considering what has transpired here in the last couple years...

    Do you blame me for being concerned??

  71. [71] 
    Michale wrote:

    But getting back to the topic at hand..

    Joe Biden is fair game. Barack Obama is not.

    Former Obama White House officials and allies responded in force Thursday to stress that message after several Democratic contenders criticized the former president in a debate that featured uncharacteristically tough assessments of his policies.

    The disparagement of aspects of Obama’s record led to stern warnings that the tactic could backfire on the presidential candidates themselves — and perhaps arm Republicans with ammunition to attack the eventual Democratic nominee next fall.

    “Stay away from Barack Obama,” advised Steve Elmendorf, a well-known Democratic lobbyist who worked on John Kerry’s 2004 presidential campaign.

    I find it utterly AMAZING that Democrats have to be TOLD not to attack Obama..

    The Uber-Left Dim candidates whine and cry that the moderate Democrats are using Republican Talking Points..

    And yet, those same whiners use Republican Talking Points in attacking Obama..

    Just shows once again, how Democrats always act exactly as they accuse others of acting..

  72. [72] 
    Michale wrote:

    “I don’t know why you would attack Barack Obama or his record or any part of him when he’s the most popular person in the party. And I don’t think it helps for the general election voters, either. I don’t know what they’re thinking.”
    -Steve Elmendorf, Democrat Lobbyist

    Exactly...

    Simply more FACTS to support how far Left the Democrat Party has surged..

    The most popular Democrat... THE One.. The Messiah

    And he is being attacked for not being Party Pure enough..

    If there was ever any doubt of the Democrat Party Left-ward surge...

    THAT dispels it..

  73. [73] 
    Michale wrote:

    "It's really nice to see Democrats finally go after Obama’s failed policies so aggressively.”
    -Donald Trump Jr.

    Once again.. Demcorats dancing to Trump's tune... :eyeroll:

    Democrats and Republicans agree.. Obama's policies were utter failures..

    The GOP campaign ads write themselves..

  74. [74] 
    neilm wrote:

    Trump is tweeting that "lover boy" Kim Jong Un didn't really mean anything by launching three missiles.

    OK, so they broke a whole host of United Nation restrictions, but don't let that come between friends.

  75. [75] 
    neilm wrote:

    And in more fun news, China is probably just become Vietnam's latest top importer and America has seen a sudden surge in imports from Vietnam.

    You don't think that China is shipping goods thru Vietnam to do an end around the tariffs?

    Otherwise we have to congratulate Vietnam on an amazing infrastructure and manufacturing capacity build out in just a few months :)

    https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OG-CZ930_TRADEI_4U_20190802103239.png

  76. [76] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump is tweeting that "lover boy" Kim Jong Un didn't really mean anything by launching three missiles.

    Facts to support??

    None?? Figgers... :eyeroll:

    OK, so they broke a whole host of United Nation restrictions, but don't let that come between friends.

    Odumbo... Iran.... 'nuff said..

    And in more fun news, China is probably just become Vietnam's latest top importer and America has seen a sudden surge in imports from Vietnam.

    You don't think that China is shipping goods thru Vietnam to do an end around the tariffs?

    Facts to support??

    None???

    Figgers....

  77. [77] 
    Michale wrote:

    Debates Show How Much Obama’s Presidency Has Shrunk
    https://tinyurl.com/y62knm5b

    Yep.. The mighty has fallen...

    What's so astounding is that it's taken less then 4 years for DEMOCRATS to toss Odumbo's accomplishments on the trash heap of history...

    Mind boggling...

  78. [78] 
    Michale wrote:

    The moderates look like refugees from a wing of a party that has withered to a feather.

    What ever happened to Barack Obama?

    For a while there, no modern figure was supposed to be as consequential. It’s difficult to describe the hype in the early days of the Obama era. Time, Newsweek, and countless deep thinkers cast him as a 21st-century Lincoln or FDR. Some literally saw a messianic figure — “The One,” in Oprah Winfrey’s words. Self-help guru Deepak Chopra said Obama represented a “quantum leap in American consciousness.”

    George Lucas speculated that he might even be a Jedi.

    It was a global phenomenon. In a move that embarrassed Obama himself, the Nobel Committee gave him a Peace Prize on spec — i.e., in anticipation of what they were sure he would do. A leading Danish newspaper editorialized: “Obama is, of course, greater than Jesus.”

    Obama himself set his sights lower; he wanted to be the Democrats’ Ronald Reagan. And for a time, it seemed to many that he’d succeeded. As late as April of 2017, CNN’s Fareed Zakaria said, “Obama aspired to be a transformational president, like Reagan. At this point, it’s fair to say that he has succeeded.”

    In less than 4 years Obama the Hero became Odumbo the Zero...

    At the hands of DEMOCRATS!!!!

  79. [79] 
    Michale wrote:

    But this proved to be a mirage. As National Review’s Ramesh Ponnuru observed in 2017, Obama left office almost as popular as Reagan, but when Reagan departed for California, he left his party stronger than when he found it, holding more elected offices at the federal and state level. And the public felt better about the direction of the country as well. By the time Obama left office, nearly 1,000 Democrats had lost their jobs, and the GOP was better positioned than at any time since the 1920s.

    Some analysts plausibly argue that these statistics are unfairly inflated because they’re pegged to the large coattails Obama had in 2008. Even so, it demonstrates that Obama failed by his own standard insofar as transformational presidents expand and entrench their parties the way FDR and Reagan did.

    In fairness, Reagan and FDR had an advantage that Obama did not: They were succeeded by allies. Since so much of what presidents do can be reversed by the next president, particularly when done by executive order — as Obama did for most of his presidency — it takes a new, friendly replacement to solidify a presidential legacy. Donald Trump reversed many of Obama’s policies with a stroke of a pen (just as a Democratic successor would do to Trump’s).

    Yep.. Odumbo was warned his legacy would not last because it wasn't by consent of the governed..

    But he didn't care..

    And now his legacy is not only being dismantled by President Trump..

    It's being trashed by Democrats!!!

    Howz THAT for irony :D

  80. [80] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Democrats’ migration to the left is not merely a story of ideological or intellectual transformation, though it is that; it’s also the direct consequence of Obama’s presidency. However we’re supposed to measure the total number of Democratic losses under Obama, the important part isn’t the quantity of the loss, but the quality.

    Yep....

  81. [81] 
    Michale wrote:

    The ranks of moderate and conservative Democrats were disproportionately hollowed out under Obama, while Democrats in deep-blue liberal areas were emboldened to move even further left. (Trump has had a similar effect on the right, decimating the moderate wing of the GOP while intensifying the partisanship of conservatives in safe red areas.)

    The big-name Democrats who survived Obama are more concerned by primary challenges to their left than by general-election threats from their right. As a result, they have a hard time talking to audiences that don’t already agree with them on the big questions.

    Those ultra-liberal politicians — Warren, Sanders, et al. — now drive the party to such a degree that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is seen as a moderating force on the Democrats. The moderates in the debates are like refugees of a wing of a party that has shrunk to a feather. Only Biden stands as a formidable figure, because of his time at Obama’s side.

    And now even that is turning into a liability, at least on the debate stage.

    There is simply NO WAY that Democrats can turn this into a plus...

  82. [82] 
    John M wrote:

    [12] Michale

    "The majority of the country DOESN'T support Open Borders.. Or Infanticide.. Or Full Free HealthCare for Illegals.. Or reparations for slaver.. Or kicking all Americans off their healthcare plans.

    The vast majority of the country are AGAINST those things.."

    FACTS to support???? NONE? FIGURES!

    Also, what you said is ALL FALSE ANYWAY.

    1) CIVIL rather than CRIMINAL consequences does NOT equal open borders.

    2) Freedom of CHOICE on ABORTION does NOT equal infanticide which is STILL ILLEGAL EVERYWHERE INCLUDING where ABORTION IS LEGAL

    3) FULL FREE healthcare for ILLEGALS has NEVER been PROPOSED. ILLEGALS would STILL pay TAXES, therefore nothing is FREE. AND, they would only be offered the opportunity to BUY into healthcare just like EVERYONE ELSE.

    4) Americans get KICKED OFF their healthcare plans NOW against their will whenever they change JOBS or their EMPLOYERS change plans.

    5) Reparations for slavery is a historical DEBT OWED by the government, and long overdue.

  83. [83] 
    John M wrote:

    From Moscow Mitch [120] Michale

    "And still no one has been able to answer ANOTHER question..

    If Democrats are soooo concerned about Vote security, why are they against Voter picture ID??"

    BECAUSE, Voter ID will not change or enhance election security in ANY WAY.

    1) Voter picture ID is NOT possible with absentee ballots and voting by MAIL, which more and more voters are doing.

    2) Voter Picture ID is also NOT possible with electronic voting online by computer, which more states are ALSO turning to allowing happening.

  84. [84] 
    John M wrote:

    From Throwdown Part1 [122] C. R. Stucki

    "Actually, all the air went out of the retards' "collusion delusion" balloon quite some time ago, but of course, the morons are not about to ever admit publically that they were full of shit all along for 3 full yrs. The fact that they've shut up about it is as close as you're ever gonna get to an admission of terminal stupidity on their part."

    Once again, you need to be SCHOOLED.

    1) Please continue to resort to insults like "retards" and "morons" when you have no RATIONAL LOGICAL ARGUMENT or FACTS.

    2) It was NEVER about COLLUSION. It was about CONSPIRACY to engage in OBSTRUCTION. Which MUELLER said he could NOT ABSOLVE Trump of, and that once he was NO LONGER in office Trump could be charged CRIMINALLY with because there was sufficient EVIDENCE to DO SO.

  85. [85] 
    John M wrote:

    [12] Michale

    For you again Michale. Where exactly is that GREAT economy Trump promised us again???

    Where is the 3, 4, 5, 6 percent growth he said we would achieve???

    Growth for ALL of last year amounted to just 2.5 percent according to the government's OWN statistics.

    Good, but no better or worse than it was under Obama!

  86. [86] 
    John M wrote:

    Greenland saw a staggering melt of its ice sheet in July amid an unrelenting heat wave, producing enough water to cover all of Florida by several inches, researchers said Friday.

    The semi-autonomous Danish territory, which has 82% of its surface covered in ice, lost 197 billion metric tons of ice in July, Ruth Mottram, a climate scientist with the Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI), tweeted Friday.

    Ongoing heatwave in #Greenland - 31st July biggest melt day so far - 56% of the #icesheet had at least 1mm of melt at surface and more than 10 billion tonnes of ice was lost to the ocean by surface melt alone

    That’s about four times the 60-70 billion metric tons the DMI would normally expect to lose in July, Mottram added.

    The melt comes as the record-setting heat wave in Europe moved over the Arctic island, forming a dome of warmth over the world’s second-largest ice sheet.

    Martin Stendel, another DMI researcher, noted that the melt from just the last two days of July amounts to the equivalent of nearly 5 inches of water covering the entire state of Florida.

    Mark Serreze, the director of the Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, told The Associated Press that this year marks the island’s second-biggest melt area since 1981, when researchers started keeping such records. 2012 still has the record with nearly 90% of the island’s ice affected, but there’s still a month left in Greenland’s 2019 melt season.

    Petteri Taalas, the secretary-general of the World Meteorological Organization issued a firm statement about this melt’s significance.

    “This is not science fiction,” he said. “It is the reality of climate change. It is happening now and it will worsen in the future without urgent climate action.”

  87. [87] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    1) CIVIL rather than CRIMINAL consequences does NOT equal open borders.

    Factually not accurate.

    When they decriminalized marijuana, they, in effect, made it legal..

    When you decriminalize border crossing, you in effect, make it legal...

    Legal border crossings = Open Borders..

    2) Freedom of CHOICE on ABORTION does NOT equal infanticide

    It does when a baby can be delivered alive and then the doctor and the mother can have a "discussion" on whether that baby can continue to live or not..

    THAT is infanticide, whether you want to admit it or not..

    3) FULL FREE healthcare for ILLEGALS has NEVER been PROPOSED.

    Again, bullshit..

    In the first debate ALL the candidates were asked if they supported full and free healthcare for Crimmigrants.

    EVERY candidate raised their hands in the affirmative..

    4) Americans get KICKED OFF their healthcare plans NOW against their will whenever they change JOBS or their EMPLOYERS change plans.

    Not EVERY American, which is what Democrats want to do.

    Again, you spew nothing but bullshit..

    5) Reparations for slavery is a historical DEBT OWED by the government, and long overdue.

    Yea?? Says who???

    Who here were slaves??

    NO ONE...

    There is NO debt owed and any Democrat who says there is will NOT win the election..

    BECAUSE, Voter ID will not change or enhance election security in ANY WAY.

    Again, you are full of shit..

    Making sure that only those who are illegally allowed to vote will make the election more secure by default..

    1) Please continue to resort to insults like "retards" and "morons" when you have no RATIONAL LOGICAL ARGUMENT or FACTS.

    Says the guy who is representative of the group that calls President Trump "Blotus" and Orange "Dicktator" amongst all sorts of other names.

    So you are saying that junkie Paula and Crack Whore Victoria have no rational logical argument or facts??

    Is THAT what you are saying, MORON???

    2) It was NEVER about COLLUSION.

    Again, the FACTS say different.. Ya'all whined about COLLUSION for over 2 years...

    Run along now, JM..

    You just been bitch-slapped... :D

  88. [88] 
    Michale wrote:

    Greenland saw a staggering melt of its ice sheet in July amid an unrelenting heat wave, producing enough water to cover all of Florida by several inches, researchers said Friday.

    Yea?? ANd yet, Florida wasn't covered in water..

    Funny how that is..

    MORON..

    You hysterical fanatics have been screaming about the end of the world for decades now..

    And, guess what??

    Like all your hysterical Trump bullshit..

    YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN WRONG!!!

    “This is not science fiction,” he said. “It is the reality of climate change. It is happening now and it will worsen in the future without urgent climate action.”

    Blaaa blaaaa blaaaaa

    Nothing more than hysterical fear-mongering to push a political agenda..

    Yer wrong.. You have always been wrong, you will always be wrong..

    Dismissed...

  89. [89] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    You see, the problem is hysterical fanatics like you want to "STOP" climate change..

    It simply CANNOT be done..

    You can no more "stop" the climate from changing than you can "stop" the planet from orbiting around the sun.

    Yer ENTIRE concept is scientifically LUDICROUS and laughable..

    And THEN you go down hill from there..

  90. [90] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oh Great...

    Another mass shooting for Democrats to politicize.. :eyeroll:

  91. [91] 
    TheStig wrote:

    CW-"Think, for a moment, whether anyone now remembers exactly what Barack Obama's white paper said on his plans for expanding healthcare before he became president. Did his campaign's plan match up precisely with Obamacare? No, it did not. It had to survive the meatgrinder that is congressional sausagemaking. As all campaign promises have to, to become actual law. And, once again, voters know this."

    I think voters know about the sausage machine, but would be hard pressed to describe how it works. They see a lot of sausage commercials, have brand loyalty to certain sausage companies and consume sausage without really knowing who produced it or even knowing what's in it.

    In the end, Obama is to Obama Care what Col. Sanders is to chicken.

  92. [92] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    John M [86]

    How do you think all that Greenland icemelt last month might have compared to the icemelt when the ice that recently (in geologicv time) covered all of Canada and the northern half of the U.S., all melted??

    And that happened before anybody ever burned the first pound of fossil fuel!

  93. [93] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM, since yer here..

    Maybe you can explain to me how President Trump telling the facts about Baltimore is "racist"...

    Care to field that one...

  94. [94] 
    Michale wrote:

    How do you think all that Greenland icemelt last month might have compared to the icemelt when the ice that recently (in geologicv time) covered all of Canada and the northern half of the U.S., all melted??

    And that happened before anybody ever burned the first pound of fossil fuel!

    Com'on CRS!!

    Don't make the poor lad THINK.....

    He might blow a gasket.. Or become a Trump supporter!!

  95. [95] 
    TheStig wrote:

    "You know what? That's a stupid question and I'm not going to answer it. You're trying to 'create conflict' because it boosts ratings, but in all the debates so far I have yet to hear one question from you guys about an issue that working Americans really care about -- raising the minimum wage to fifteen bucks an hour. The House of Representatives passed a $15-an-hour hike, but you guys in the media totally ignored it so you could write another 'Democrats focusing too much on impeachment' story. This would be a monumental change for tens of millions of American workers, and it is a fundamental difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, and you are absolutely ignoring it. Shame on you! Hiking the minimum wage would most likely mean wage increases starting from the bottom of the jobs ladder and moving up, in a J.F.K. 'rising tide lifting all boats' sort of way. Millions of Americans would have millions of dollars more in their paychecks to spend on whatever they like. It would be an absolute gamechanger for a huge slice of the American electorate. Democrats have now become unified over accepting nothing short of $15 an hour, but the Republicans refuse to act because they hate the concept of a minimum wage to begin with. That is a core difference between the parties on a core issue that I feel is much more worthy of a question in these debates than whatever nonsense you just asked me."

    Wait a minute...that actually sounds like something Bernie Sanders would say. Imagine it delivered in gruff Brooklyn-ese. It's long, the moderators might object to the length, they might even cut the mike, but it's definitely in character.

  96. [96] 
    Michale wrote:

    "You know what? That's a stupid question and I'm not going to answer it. You're trying to 'create conflict' because it boosts ratings, but in all the debates so far I have yet to hear one question from you guys about an issue that working Americans really care about -- raising the minimum wage to fifteen bucks an hour. The House of Representatives passed a $15-an-hour hike, but you guys in the media totally ignored it so you could write another 'Democrats focusing too much on impeachment' story. This would be a monumental change for tens of millions of American workers, and it is a fundamental difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, and you are absolutely ignoring it. Shame on you! Hiking the minimum wage would most likely mean wage increases starting from the bottom of the jobs ladder and moving up, in a J.F.K. 'rising tide lifting all boats' sort of way. Millions of Americans would have millions of dollars more in their paychecks to spend on whatever they like. It would be an absolute gamechanger for a huge slice of the American electorate. Democrats have now become unified over accepting nothing short of $15 an hour, but the Republicans refuse to act because they hate the concept of a minimum wage to begin with. That is a core difference between the parties on a core issue that I feel is much more worthy of a question in these debates than whatever nonsense you just asked me."

    The problem is, Democrats want those conflict sound bites JUST AS MUCH as the networks do..

    DUH......

  97. [97] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Neil,

    Apparently, JM and Victoria didn't get the memo about ignoring me.. :D

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  98. [98] 
    Steedo wrote:

    M (90)
    So sorry to hear that you have been inconvenienced because a bunch of your fellow citizens got their asses shot off. You are truly an American-hating sack of shit.

  99. [99] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm|Russ
    67

    I know, right!? I added Russ's name there so he too could get a laugh out of the sheer ignorance of the fake cop... as we do and have done on other occasions.

    Rhetorical questions for you and Russ:

    * Say you actually did want to "financially stalk" (neil's term) somebody/anybody in the entire world? Would a small amount that could be spent in one place be the amount you'd choose? *laughs*

    * And why would you need to track the whereabouts of someone who had already revealed their location to you? Ever heard of travel, gentlemen... planes, trains, automobiles? *laughs*

    * What person who claims to be a law enforcement officer/investigator would whine about remaining anonymous when he chose to follow the author of the forum on Twitter supplying his own personal information? *laughs*

    * And what person who claims to be a law enforcement officer/investigator would whine about remaining anonymous when he posted his personal information and that of his wife, children, and grandchildren all over this archived forum years ago?

    * Neil answers this one, Russ, but do you know a person who claims to be a law enforcement officer/investigator who doesn't know how to flip a gift card or any other form of monetary instrument?

    * How long until you guys stop laughing at the sheer ignorance of the fake cop?

    Thanks for the "little present," Neil; it's very thoughtful and appreciated. Does either of you know a person who claims to be a law enforcement officer/investigator who doesn't have the knowledge to surf the web anonymously? Rhetorical question.

    The numptie doxed himself auld lang syne. ;)

    A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away....

  100. [100] 
    Kick wrote:

    TS
    91

    I think voters know about the sausage machine, but would be hard pressed to describe how it works.

    Heh.

  101. [101] 
    Kick wrote:

    TS
    95

    Wait a minute...that actually sounds like something Bernie Sanders would say. Imagine it delivered in gruff Brooklyn-ese. It's long, the moderators might object to the length, they might even cut the mike, but it's definitely in character.

    Now you know very well that Bernie isn't using the term "millions" anymore; it would obviously have to be tweaked to "billions" and accompanied by the wagging right forefinger, of course. ;)

  102. [102] 
    Kick wrote:

    Steedo
    98

    So sorry to hear that you have been inconvenienced because a bunch of your fellow citizens got their asses shot off. You are truly an American-hating sack of shit.

    Is that really fair to sacks of shit? Those can be utilized as fertilizer, you know, whereas a forum troll like Mike is fucking worthless. :)

  103. [103] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Steedo

    M (90)
    So sorry to hear that you have been inconvenienced because a bunch of your fellow citizens got their asses shot off. You are truly an American-hating sack of shit.

    Says the scumbag piece of shit who makes real life threats when he gets his ass kicked in a political forum..

  104. [104] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Victoria

    I know, right!? I added Russ's name there so he too could get a laugh out of the sheer ignorance of the fake cop... as we do and have done on other occasions.

    Funny how you CLAIM you have me blocked, crack whore..

    Yet you read every comment of mine faithfully.

    BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Is that really fair to sacks of shit? Those can be utilized as fertilizer, you know, whereas a forum troll like Mike is fucking worthless. :)

    I thought we agreed you wouldn't talk about your mother like that.. Com'on.. I know she bore you, but that doesn't mean she is a worthless piece of shit...

    Well, maybe it does...

  105. [105] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK, time to spend quality time with my lovely wife..

    I'll let you suckers who are alone in the world have a chance to say something.. :D

    Hasta... :D

  106. [106] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    Fuck sakes, Michale...we're not Hawaiian, no one wants this amount of spam unless it's burned into their collective identity.

    STFU

    Thanks.

    Ok. Mouse change (roller issues, thanks to our resident crack-pot and his need to re-issue FOX bullshit links that no one ever touches)

    Where were we, the sane ones, that is... Oh yes, like most of you, I paid little or no attention to the recent debates...Get The Kids Off The Street. Who the fuck are these people anyway? You've got some hippy chick who makes sense until she gets to her third minute. You have some bogun who insists that climate change is foremost in voters minds. You have some tall guys whose broken Spanish is worse than French Canadian spoken fluently. You have some women who have to punch above their weight class to get noticed. You have a gay mayor, who has more brains than 99% of you, collectively, whose deliberately mispronounced name by the cretins at FOX has me smiling. And, you have two guys past their sell-by date regurgitating talking points...? Trump is a fucking moron, has the brain the size of a sultana and is Putin's sexual plaything, but he still has his clown army. (I'm assuming Michale is still a passenger in that clown car, I refuse to waste a moment of un-stoned time on his spam).

    So...in Euchre terms, Go Big Or Stay Home or, Get The Kids Off The Street. The Dems need someone to rally around, Trump needs someone to tell his clown-army he'll vanquish so deftly that they'll go to IHOP instead of the voting booth, fugly, gun-toting Jesus obsessed twats that they are.

    Let's get this shit on the road.

    LL&P

  107. [107] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    [105]

    'lovely wife'

    I'll wager she'd characterize it more as 'long suffering'.

    Any port in a storm.

    ;)

    LL&P

  108. [108] 
    Steedo wrote:

    Kick 102
    As always your observations are appreciated but perhaps we shouldn't give the CockTrollster the idea that we are ganging up on him and hurting his feelings. He might even insist that CW edit his archives to remove all references that make him anxious and sad.

  109. [109] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    What the fuck is going on?

    What the fuck are you guys doing?

    More killings, more fucking gun violence, more fucking white nutters with guns fucking killing children.

    Trump, the cunt, is telling you all the nastiness is down to the illegal immigrants...take a quick glance at who does the killing in HIS name.

    Grow some bollocks, abolish the Ruskie-fuelled NR-FUCKING-A, join the family of civilized nations.

    LL (doubtful, given your love of white nutters with guns) &P

  110. [110] 
    chaszzzbrown wrote:

    [1] neilm

    Nice hack! Tricky thing is how one could log in using your approach, so one could also post...

  111. [111] 
    Kick wrote:

    Steedo
    108

    As always your observations are appreciated but perhaps we shouldn't give the CockTrollster the idea that we are ganging up on him and hurting his feelings. He might even insist that CW edit his archives to remove all references that make him anxious and sad.

    You mean like that time he bragged about "facing" people down and "running" them off... so then you teased him mercilessly about being on a keyboard and not "facing" anybody and proposed a "cage match" for a campaign contribution... so then he naturally threatened to kill you with guns and then hours and hours went by when he began whining like a little bitch that we "worked together" to threaten him in real life?

    I can't remember a thing, and who are you? ;)

  112. [112] 
    Kick wrote:

    James T Canuck
    109

    What the fuck is going on?

    I can report without hesitation that the SOB picked the wrong state to go all white nationalist in.

    May I help you with any other questions? :)

  113. [113] 
    neilm wrote:

    Chazz - not as elegant as your solution, but simpler. I only really built it for myself, but if CW allows me to keep it public, then everybody can use it.

    Michale - I apologize again for anybody getting your info - it was a mistake as I said - I was just trying to verify the contact info from "whois". You know all my info because I put my return address on the Christmas cards I send you every year.

    Folks: Michale and I disagree on almost everything, and openly deride each other, but, at least from my side, there is no malice - and in my offline interactions with Michale, he has always been an OK dude.

    The spamming just irritates me, not because of the content, because I just scan over it, but because it is like watching to a great movie where there is 20 minutes of commercial free excellence (CW's column) then five minutes of ads every three minutes of movie thereafter - and just like I Tivo the movie and skip thru the ads, I wrote a simple little php string handler to snip out the spam.

    Anyway, it is another sad day in America. A mixture of toxic ideology, coupled with easy access to excessive fire power, a lack of mental health availability, and an NRA/Gun manufacturer led suppression of popular will has left dozens more families grieving again.

  114. [114] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    [109]

    You'll have to excuse my language.

    Yes, now that you mention it, perhaps you can clear up a few foggy patches, Kick.

    What's being done, at the community level, to curtail this disgusting mass-shooting 'fad'?

    Why doesn't your society, the parents, teachers, the first responders and the religious types do something to regain their public spaces. Active Shooter Drills? Really? At a Mall?

    Do you wonder why I care?

    "I can report without hesitation that the SOB picked the wrong state to go all white nationalist in."

    I don't get that. What does it mean? There's a 'right' state to go all white nationalist in?

    Come on. You're better than that.

    I'm seeing a trend with the mass-shooter class...The White Supremist faction are being taken alive? I think that's more worrying than anything else. That can only mean one thing, these individuals believe there's more glory in living as another mass-shooter than dying for some opaque cause as a forgotten martyr.

    That's disconcerting, given that there's ten cowards for every ideologue in any society.

    LL&P

  115. [115] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm
    113

    I only really built it for myself, but if CW allows me to keep it public, then everybody can use it.

    Great idea! If "We the Posters" get to decide, I'm definitely a vote for "keep it public," and I should count twice because there are two persons who actually post under my pseudonym. :)

    There are a myriad of ways in which Mike had already doxed himself a full decade before your post. He knows that, and he's admitted it already on the forum so it's patently ridiculous to try to blame you for it now... or ever.

  116. [116] 
    Patrick wrote:

    The Texas Department of Public Safety shall issue a License to Carry a Handgun to an eligible person. The license permits the concealed or open carrying of a handgun. Vehicle carry is allowed without a license if the firearm is not in plain sight. Texas has state preemption of gun laws, so local governments can not further restrict or regulate the possession or use of firearms. Texas does not restrict NFA weapons that are legally possessed under federal law. The state does not require background checks for private sales of firearms.

    In other words...Texas is an open carry state.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas

    Where was the "good guy" with a gun to stop the "bad guy" with a gun?

    NFA weapons are assault weapons, Mac10, AK47, AR15....

  117. [117] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    You'll have to excuse my language.

    No, YOU need to check your language … it's not appreciated here.

  118. [118] 
    Kick wrote:

    James T Canuck
    114

    You'll have to excuse my language.

    Likewise, JTC... I am one mad Texan.

    What's being done, at the community level, to curtail this disgusting mass-shooting 'fad'?

    Not a damn thing... but, oh that it were a "fad," it might have come and gone as fads will do.

    Why doesn't your society, the parents, teachers, the first responders and the religious types do something to regain their public spaces. Active Shooter Drills? Really? At a Mall?

    I wish I knew. Oh, wait! Money and other things that generally lead to money.

    Do you wonder why I care?

    Nope... I hear you.

    I can report without hesitation that the SOB picked the wrong state to go all white nationalist in.

    I don't get that. What does it mean? There's a 'right' state to go all white nationalist in?

    Oh, hell no! That means Texas will barbeque the white nationalist bastard because we have the death penalty and don't mess around in Texas, whereas there are about 21 other states where they don't "execute." Additionally, there is definitely a nexus to a hate crime here so the shit will be prosecuted nine ways to Sunday. Apologies for not being clear on that.

  119. [119] 
    Kick wrote:

    Elizabeth Miller
    117

    No, YOU need to check your language … it's not appreciated here.

    It's not appreciated unless she's the one doing it, JTC!

    Comey is abdicating his responsibility because he doesn't publically respond to and refute every GOD-DAMNED ASININE THING TRUMP SAYS!? ~ Elizabeth Miller

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/03/06/comey-needs-to-clear-the-air/#comment-96012

  120. [120] 
    chaszzzbrown wrote:

    [92] C. R. Stucki

    For some perspective, here's a detailed graphic that describes the changes in climate over the last 20,000 years - accompanied by various human milestones.

    https://xkcd.com/1732/

  121. [121] 
    John M wrote:

    [93] Michale

    "JM, since yer here..

    Maybe you can explain to me how President Trump telling the facts about Baltimore is "racist"...

    Care to field that one..."

    Yes. How many white Republicans whose districts cover the same kind of poverty stricken areas did Trump call out???

    Also, please don't forget slumlord Son in law Jared Kushner's ownership of so many dilapidated housing units in the exact same area. If Trump really wanted to improve things he might prod Kushner to clean up his own buildings instead of simply throwing out divisive rhetoric meant to divide people and inflame passions.

    Either that or put Federal money where his mouth is. His worthless housing secretary Ben Carson might want to actually consider spending resources on the problem instead of just cutting money from people's housing vouchers.

  122. [122] 
    John M wrote:

    [92] C. R. Stucki

    "How do you think all that Greenland icemelt last month might have compared to the icemelt when the ice that recently (in geologicv time) covered all of Canada and the northern half of the U.S., all melted??

    And that happened before anybody ever burned the first pound of fossil fuel!"

    Are you deliberately that dense???

    How does it compare that ice covering Greenland which took thousands of years to accumulate melts in a single year's time because of human activity???

    How does it compare that ice that covered all of the USA and Canada that took hundreds to thousands of years to melt away compare to an ice sheet that covers all of Greenland that is going to disappear completely in only a tenth of the time due to human activity??? In other words in only decades instead of hundreds to a thousand years?

    Why don't YOU ask YOURSELF those questions???

  123. [123] 
    John M wrote:

    [89] Michale

    "You see, the problem is hysterical fanatics like you want to "STOP" climate change..

    It simply CANNOT be done.."

    EXCUSE ME. But Man caused IT and man can UNDO what Man has DONE.

    "You can no more "stop" the climate from changing than you can "stop" the planet from orbiting around the sun.

    Yer ENTIRE concept is scientifically LUDICROUS and laughable.."

    No, It's NOT.

    "And THEN you go down hill from there.."

    Please stop talking about yourself. You are the only fool here.

  124. [124] 
    John M wrote:

    [90] Michale

    "Oh Great...

    Another mass shooting for Democrats to politicize.. :eyeroll:"

    What??? No comment about how ANTIFA needs to be branded a terrorist organization again??? You really are falling down on the job.

    ANTIFA a left wing protest organization that has not killed one single person ever. NOT EVER.

    Yet white supremacist domestic terrorism gets a pass.

    BIG EYEROLL

  125. [125] 
    John M wrote:

    [88] Michale wrote:

    "Yea?? ANd yet, Florida wasn't covered in water..

    Funny how that is.."

    Funny how that's NOT what the article said at all!!!

    "MORON.."

    Yes, please resort to personal insults when you have no rational, logical intelligent reasons or FACTS.

  126. [126] 
    John M wrote:

    [87] Michale

    "When they decriminalized marijuana, they, in effect, made it legal.."

    FACTUALLY NOT ACCURATE.

    "When you decriminalize border crossing, you in effect, make it legal..."

    REALLY? That will be NEWS to people who are still DEPORTED.

    "It does when a baby can be delivered alive and then the doctor and the mother can have a "discussion" on whether that baby can continue to live or not.."

    LIAR. NOWHERE DOES THAT HAPPEN.

    "You just been bitch-slapped... :D"

    Michale, you sure are somebody's bitch, but you certainly aren't mine. Nor are you even man enough anymore to begin to even qualify.

    There are drag queens who can deliver a lot more effective bitch slapping than you will ever be capable of doing.

    Now you run along and let the adults talk.

  127. [127] 
    Michale wrote:

    @ 'nuck

    Fuck sakes, Michale...we're not Hawaiian, no one wants this amount of spam unless it's burned into their collective identity.

    STFU

    Thanks.

    BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Back for more humiliation.. :D How did that Russia Collusion Delusion work out for you???

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  128. [128] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Steedo

    As always your observations are appreciated but perhaps we shouldn't give the CockTrollster

    Why does everyone here insist on talking about their mothers??

    Do you think your mother would appreciate you calling her a "cocktrollster"??

    the idea that we are ganging up on him and hurting his feelings. He might even insist that CW edit his archives to remove all references that make him anxious and sad.

    Says the scumbag who makes real life threats of violence because he gets his ass handed to him in a political forum..

    I noticed you backed off your threats, Speedo..

    What's the matter?? Got scared??

    I am still up for a real life meet.. You???

    Bwwaaawwwkkkkkk BWWWAAAAAWWWWKKKKKK

    Yea.. That's what I thought.

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  129. [129] 
    Michale wrote:

    Neil,

    The spamming just irritates me, not because of the content, because I just scan over it, but because it is like watching to a great movie where there is 20 minutes of commercial free excellence (CW's column) then five minutes of ads every three minutes of movie thereafter - and just like I Tivo the movie and skip thru the ads, I wrote a simple little php string handler to snip out the spam.

    Is this how you "ignore" me??

    By devoting all of this commenting about me???

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  130. [130] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Victoria

    You mean like that time he bragged about "facing" people down and "running" them off... so then you teased him mercilessly about being on a keyboard and not "facing" anybody and proposed a "cage match" for a campaign contribution... so then he naturally threatened to kill you with guns and then hours and hours went by when he began whining like a little bitch that we "worked together" to threaten him in real life?

    I've just collapsed it into about a dozen comments now that I've invoked "HIDDEN" and relegated it to its proper place of invisibility. Be gone! And so it is.
    -Victoria

    Once again, the crack whore, Victoria is proven to be a liar..

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  131. [131] 
    Michale wrote:

    @JM

    Yes. How many white Republicans whose districts cover the same kind of poverty stricken areas did Trump call out???

    Which areas would those be??

    And why would President Trump attack someone who supports him??

    Your "PROOF" is nothing but proof that President Trump is politically astute and rewards loyalty with loyalty..

    How is that racism, ya moron!??

    Also, please don't forget slumlord Son in law Jared Kushner's ownership of so many dilapidated housing units in the exact same area. If Trump really wanted to improve things he might prod Kushner to clean up his own buildings instead of simply throwing out divisive rhetoric meant to divide people and inflame passions.

    Irrelevant to the question of why President Trump's factual claims of Baltimore are "racist"..

    Yer not very good at this, are you??

    Either that or put Federal money where his mouth is. His worthless housing secretary Ben Carson might want to actually consider spending resources on the problem instead of just cutting money from people's housing vouchers.

    Once again, not relevant to the question of why President Trump's facts about Baltimore are racist..

    Do you have any answer??? The one you gave was LAME-NOT RELEVANT-NOT RELEVANT...

    Ass... :D

  132. [132] 
    Michale wrote:

    EXCUSE ME. But Man caused IT and man can UNDO what Man has DONE.

    MAN CAUSED CLIMATE CHANGE!!!??????

    BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Wait...

    MAN caused CLIMATE CHANGE!!!??????

    BBBWWWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    You DO realize that the climate has been changing for hundreds of millions of years, right??

    Tell me, sunshine.. If man CAUSES climate change...

    How was the climate changing before man was even on the planet!???

    That's a rich one, JM..

    "Man Causes Climate Change"

    I'll have to add that one to Victoria's and CockHolster's quotes..

    That's a keeper.. :D

  133. [133] 
    Michale wrote:

    No, It's NOT.

    So, you are saying that man can stop the climate from changing???

    Really??

    Please explain how...

    Please stop talking about yourself. You are the only fool here.

    Oh wow.. Nice snappy comeback.. :D

    In the immortal words of Trayvon Martin:

    "Ya got me... uuuggghhhhhhh"

    :D

  134. [134] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yes, please resort to personal insults when you have no rational, logical intelligent reasons or FACTS.

    So, whenever anyone resorts to personal insults, you claim they have no facts??

    Ohh goody!! Another keeper quote.. :D

  135. [135] 
    Michale wrote:

    @JM

    "When they decriminalized marijuana, they, in effect, made it legal.."

    FACTUALLY NOT ACCURATE.

    Facts to support???

    Any facts at all?? No?? Figgers...

    REALLY? That will be NEWS to people who are still DEPORTED.

    Being deported is not punishment for committing a crime.. It's simply removing them from a place they have no right to be and returning them to where they belong..

    Open Border and deportations are mutually exclusive..

    "It does when a baby can be delivered alive and then the doctor and the mother can have a "discussion" on whether that baby can continue to live or not.."

    LIAR. NOWHERE DOES THAT HAPPEN.

    Of course it doesn't happen.. Because the good people of Virginia voted down the law that would have ALLOWED it to happen..

    The mere fact that THAT is the Democrat Position on things is sufficiently disgusting and perverse..

    Michale, you sure are somebody's bitch, but you certainly aren't mine. Nor are you even man enough anymore to begin to even qualify.

    There are drag queens who can deliver a lot more effective bitch slapping than you will ever be capable of doing.

    Now you run along and let the adults talk.

    Says the moron who honestly believes that humans cause the planet's climate to change..

    Some 'adult'

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

  136. [136] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK, so we have another mass shooting..

    And, as usual, the hysterical anti-gun Dumbocrats come out of the woodwork..

    So, once again the question will be asked and be ignored because ya'all don't have an answer..

    Give me a law that is in keeping with the 2nd Amendment and would have prevented the Texas WalMart shooting..

    Anyone???

    No???

    Figgers...

  137. [137] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Neil

    Howz that "ignoring" me thing workin' out for ya'all?? :D

  138. [138] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Patrick,

    NFA weapons are assault weapons, Mac10, AK47, AR15....

    Only a moron who is ignorant of guns would refer to rifles as "assault weapons"..

    By your hysterically ignorant reasoning, a broom handle is an "assault weapon" as it can be used to assault someone..

    :eyeroll: moron

  139. [139] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Victoria

    Great idea! If "We the Posters" get to decide, I'm definitely a vote for "keep it public," and I should count twice because there are two persons who actually post under my pseudonym. :)

    "I've just collapsed it into about a dozen comments now that I've invoked "HIDDEN" and relegated it to its proper place of invisibility. Be gone! And so it is."
    -Victoria

    And the crack whore has just admitted that she has a sock-puppet in here!!

    BBWBABABABAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

  140. [140] 
    Michale wrote:

    @ 'nuck

    What's being done, at the community level, to curtail this disgusting mass-shooting 'fad'?

    Give me a law that is permissible under our 2nd Amendment and would have prevented the Texas WalMart shooting??

    Go ahead.. I know you can do it...

    :eyeroll: moron...

  141. [141] 
    Michale wrote:

    @ 'nuck

    I'll wager she'd characterize it more as 'long suffering'.

    Yea.. That's how your mother describes herself cuz she has such a luser for a son....

    :eyeroll: moron

  142. [142] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Victoria

    It's not appreciated unless she's the one doing it, JTC!

    Yea, because there is absolutely NO difference between "f*ck" this "f*ck" that "f*ck f*ck" and "god-damn"

    :eyeroll: moron

  143. [143] 
    Michale wrote:

    @nuck

    Trump, the cunt, is telling you all the nastiness is down to the illegal immigrants...take a quick glance at who does the killing in HIS name.

    Except the scumbag specifically stated that it wasn't..

    But I know how you must IGNORE the facts and IGNORE reality to make the case for your hatred..

    I am also constrained to point out that the ONLY Black Lives Matter terrorists who killed all those cops did so in Odumbo's name...

    Funny how you ignore THAT fact, eh??

    In other words, you really don't care about mass-shootings and the people that died in them.

    You just want another new shiny bludgeon to beat the person you hate over the head with..

    :eyeroll: moron

  144. [144] 
    Michale wrote:

    Amy Klobuchar slams Trump in wake of El Paso massacre, faces backlash for politicizing tragedy
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/amy-klobuchar-accuses-trump-of-fueling-hate-in-wake-of-el-paso-shooting-criticized-for-politicizing-tragedy

    Yep.. hysterical anti-gun Dumbocrats just love to use those dead bodies as political weapons..

    Democrats just LOVE mass-shootings..

    :eyeroll: morons...

  145. [145] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Neil

    The spamming just irritates me,

    And ya'all's spamming of hyterical anti-Trump bullshit irritates me.

    What's yer point??

    Here's the thing, Neil..

    Ya'all post your hysterical hateful anti-Trump bullshit..

    I simply post the facts and reality on how GOOD President Trump is doing and how great this country is..

    The fact that I have more material than ya'all is simply a matter of happenstance, facts and reality...

    You can't blame me for that..

    Look at it this way.. I am one person.. Ya'all are many and have technological crutches on your side.

    And yet you STILL whine and complain about me posting..

    If I were truly wrong, as ya'all claim, then you would simply write it off to ignorance and ignore it..

    But you actively seek to shut me done.. Ergo, the ONLY logical conclusion is that you know I am factually accurate...

    And it's not as if I initiate family attacks, attacks on wives and children and GRANDCHILDREN .. By omission, YOU DO...

    So, if you want to know who is more irritating..

    Yep, look in the mirror..

    So, who has the more reasonable right to be "irritated"???

    It's all real simple..

    "Quit trying to {ignore} me and {ignore} me!!"
    -Morpheous...

    By mentioning me in practically EVERY comment, you prove that your goal is NOT to ignore me..

    "And so it goes... and so it goes....
    And so will you soon, I suppose.."

    -Billy Joel

    :D

  146. [146] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yep..

    Beto Ties Trump to El Paso Shooting — ‘He Is a Racist, and He Stokes Racism in This Country’
    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/08/03/beto-ties-trump-to-el-paso-shooting-he-is-a-racist-and-he-stokes-racism-in-this-country/

    Democrats are rubbing their hands in glee about the Texas shooting..

    "It's only Texans.. It's not as if they were real people or anything.. They deserve what they got for supporting President Trump.."
    -Democrats

    It's sad that Democrats have to ADD to the tragedy by politicizing it...

    :eyeroll: morons..

  147. [147] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    130

    I've just collapsed it into about a dozen comments now that I've invoked "HIDDEN" and relegated it to its proper place of invisibility. Be gone! And so it is.
    -Victoria

    Yes! That is exactly how it works, Michael. Please keep posting it as many times as it takes you to figure out the fact that everyone here can turn your shit on or turn your shit off... our decision and not yours! I did turn your shit off that day you had a mini meltdown and whined like a little bitch all fucking day. The next day, I needed some comic relief and turned your whiney bullshit back on... and then off again because you started whining like a fucking toddler.

    Once again, the crack whore, Victoria is proven to be a liar..

    I thought we had agreed to stop talking about your wife and family, Mike; if you're going to keep talking about your stench all the time in such unflattering terms, could you please expand your pathetic vocabulary and make it a little more interesting? Tell us more about the mugshots, Mike! You could post links to the mugshots from St. John's County and explain what all different crimes are. Oh, wait! I see it's written on there already!

    Chop, chop, Mike. Get some better material or it's off you go with the click of a mouse because you're BORING, and your demonstrable ignorance is only funny up to the point where it just becomes pathetic. :D

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  148. [148] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Victoria

    Michale
    130

    "I've just collapsed it into about a dozen comments now that I've invoked "HIDDEN" and relegated it to its proper place of invisibility. Be gone! And so it is."
    -Victoria

    Once again, Victoria is proven to be a liar.. She CLAIMS to have used CB's spyware script that blocks me, yet she STILL reads each and every one of my comments faithfully..

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    if you're going to keep talking about your stench all the time in such unflattering terms,

    Victoria, I have asked you repeatedly to not talk about your mother like that. It's rude and disrespectful..

    But, given the fact that she has a crack whore welfare case for a daughter, it's understandable that your mother would let herself go..

    See ya, Victoria.. :D I know you'll read every one of my comments.. :D

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  149. [149] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Neil,

    Apparently, Victoria didn't get your memo about ignoring me..

    Or, more likely.. Victoria is just too stoopid to understand it..

  150. [150] 
    Michale wrote:

    Dems’ debate is just left vs. lefter
    https://nypost.com/2019/08/01/dems-debate-is-just-left-vs-lefter/

    Once again..

    Anyone who denies the Left ward surge of the Democrat Party is simply willfully ignorant or a Party slave...

  151. [151] 
    Michale wrote:

    The media portrayed the two-night Democratic debate this week as a policy brawl between the party’s moderate and left wings. But what we really saw in Detroit were debates between the party’s left and far left.

    On Tuesday, the so-called moderates offered dire warnings about the socialist policies advocated by Sens. Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren. Former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper cautioned that “last year, Democrats flipped 40 Republican seats in the House, and not one of those 40 Democrats supported the policies of our frontrunners at center stage.”

    Montana Gov. Steve Bullock accused the two senators of “wish-list economics.” Former Rep. John Delaney of Maryland said they were ­advocating “bad policies like Medicare for All, free everything and ­impossible promises that will turn off independent voters and get Trump re-elected.”

    The problem is there is nothing moderate or centrist about the agendas of the candidates issuing these warnings, who are all polling at less than 1 percent.

    The fact is, the Left is being left behind by the far Left surge of the Hysterical Left.. :D

  152. [152] 
    Michale wrote:

    Take health care. Their alternative is the so-called public option, which they described as a long transition to Medicare for All. First, people younger than 65 would be able to choose between private plans or buying in to traditional Medicare. Then, as Hickenlooper explained, if “more people choose it, eventually, in 15 years, you could get there” to Medicare for All.

    So, the concern of the “moderates” isn’t with the danger of socializing our health-care system, but with the danger of doing it too quickly so that voters will rebel. It’s like the old saying, if you put a frog in boiling water he will jump out, but if you put him in cold water and slowly turn up the heat, you eventually get cooked frog.

    Yep...

  153. [153] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    138

    Only a moron who is ignorant of guns would refer to rifles as "assault weapons".. ~ Michael

    *

    I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record. ~ Donald Trump, from his book The America We Deserve

    :eyeroll: moron

    Now that is one dumb fucking moron, for sure! :D

  154. [154] 
    Michale wrote:

    As Medicare and Medicaid administrator Seema Verma ­explained, the public option is nothing more than “a Trojan horse with single-payer hiding inside.” It would be a disaster: Private insurance pays hospitals 75 percent more than Medicare for the same services — effectively subsidizing Medicare.

    If millions of non-seniors sign up for Medicare, and those private subsidies disappear, costs will skyrocket and hospitals will close, ­necessitating massive tax increases and government intervention. A decade ago, President Barack Obama decided it was too radical to include in ObamaCare; now it is considered too right-wing for Democrats.

    Amazing how far Left the Democrat Party has surged..

    Even more amazing that there are people who still DENY the Left ward surge..

    Where IS our resident cockholster by the bi???

  155. [155] 
    Michale wrote:

    On Wednesday, Biden showed himself to be a feeble frontrunner, stumbling over whether Medicare for All would cost $3 trillion or $30 trillion. The lesser candidates hammered him for the Obama-Biden administration’s record of mass deportations and his sponsorship of crime bills that led to mass incarceration of African Americans — attacks that he struggled to answer.

    As Mayor Bill de Blasio told him, “Mr. Vice President, you want to be president of the United States, you need to be able to ­answer the tough questions. I guarantee you if you’re debating Donald Trump, he’s not going to let you off the hook.”

    Biden is leading in the polls not because Democrats are clamoring for a centrist, but because they want someone who can win.

    Unfortunately, with Bidens promise to end the use of fossil fuels, Biden can no longer win...

    It's amazing how many sound bites the Dumbocrat Debates provided to the Trump campaign...

    President Trump's campaign team is in heaven what with all the new material the Dim debates provided..

    President Trump is going to coast to re-election.. Easily...

  156. [156] 
    Michale wrote:

    Tell us more about the mugshots, Mike! You could post links to the mugshots from St. John's County

    Oh no!!!! Oh please!! Please!!! Victoria!!!

    PLEASE DON'T REVEAL THAT!!!!

    :eyeroll: Crack whore moron..

    Even though I am sure no one but the haters and scumbags here care.....

    Yes, at one time I was at a low point economically.. I was arrested for driving with a suspended license and spent a night in jail..

    Got it squared away within a month and haven't had an issue since..

    Once again, crack whore welfare case Victoria tries to extort me by threatening to DOX me and once again, I shove it right up her hairy smelly very large ass...

    Fuck off, crack whore Victoria... Yer nothing..

  157. [157] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    148

    "I've just collapsed it into about a dozen comments now that I've invoked "HIDDEN" and relegated it to its proper place of invisibility. Be gone! And so it is."
    -Victoria

    Yes, fucking idiot! That was a few days ago. Please keep posting it like a fucking idiot as if it applies to every single day. So far today, I believe I am reading about one of every five of your posts.

    Once again, Victoria is proven to be a liar..

    It really does turn on and off, shit for brains!

    She CLAIMS to have used CB's spyware script that blocks me, yet she STILL reads each and every one of my comments faithfully..

    Once again, the Trump Cock Holster is proven to be a liar... and incredibly fucking ignorant and a whiney little bitch crying out to be noticed by somebody/anybody!

    I'm not going to be ignored, Dan! Whiney Bitch Worley

  158. [158] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yes, fucking idiot!

    Now now.. I don't want to talk about your dad... I know, I know.. He came into your room at night while you were asleep, but that's no reason to call him names...

    Once again, the Trump Cock Holster is proven to be a liar... and incredibly fucking ignorant and a whiney little bitch crying out to be noticed by somebody/anybody!

    "I've just collapsed it into about a dozen comments now that I've invoked "HIDDEN" and relegated it to its proper place of invisibility. Be gone! And so it is."
    -Victoria

    Once again, daddy's cockholster Victoria claims she is ignoring me and has me blocked..

    But, once again, she proves that she is a liar and reads every one of my comments faithfully...

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Yer PWNED, Victoria... :D

  159. [159] 
    Michale wrote:

    Once again, the Trump Cock Holster is proven to be a liar...

    Except it's YOU, daddy's cockholster, who is proven to be a liar because you are reading every word of my comments..

    As your constant responses to my comments prove beyond any doubt..

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    PWNED!!!!!

  160. [160] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Neil,

    Just have to ask again..

    Howz that "ignoring" thing workin' out for ya?? :D

  161. [161] 
    Michale wrote:

    Do ya'all wanna know what is so frakin' hilarious??

    Many of ya'all who can't handle reality have me blocked so you can't read my comments..

    Here's the funny part..

    Crack Whore Victoria is COPYING my comments so ya'all HAVE to read them!!

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Daddy's little cockholster is actually showing my comments to those who have be blocked..

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    How frakin' hilarious is that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Crack whore Victoria... PWNED!!!!!!!

  162. [162] 
    Michale wrote:

    Democrats fearing 2020 election scramble for panic button with loser candidates
    https://nypost.com/2019/08/03/democrats-fearing-2020-election-scramble-for-panic-button-with-loser-candidates/

    Yep...

    The ONLY candidate who has possibly a SLIGHT chance to take on Trump is Biden..

    But Party Purity is paramount, so the Fringe Left (which is now the mainstream Left) is trying to take out Biden...

  163. [163] 
    Michale wrote:

    For nearly three years, Democrats were certain they would eat President Trump’s lunch in 2020. The 25 dreamers seeking the party’s nomination are testament to the conviction that one of them definitely would be the next president.

    Oops.

    Suddenly, after just two debates, the Nervous Nellies are climbing the walls. Many Dems are worried that the battle is too nasty and too negative, and that the front-runner, Joe Biden, is looking awfully ­wobbly.

    Exactly... Democrats are proving that they simply can't win in 2020...

  164. [164] 
    Michale wrote:

    Equally worrisome, Biden’s strongest challengers, Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, are leaning so far left that their appeal could be limited to the most radical elements. Some of their supporters are even attacking the sainted Barack Obama.

    What to do? My modest suggestion: Panic!

    All three top contenders are looking like losers in a general election. Here’s why, starting with Biden.

    Really, the ONLY possible option IS for the Demcorat Party to panic..

    They have no other option...

  165. [165] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK.. I actually have real work I need to get done..

    So, I'll be off the grid for about a half hour..

    I would like to leave everyone with this profound words from the Hysterical Fear Mongering Left..

    "Man causes climate change"
    -John M

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  166. [166] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    156

    :eyeroll: Crack whore moron..

    Enough about your wife, Mike; you want some attention so bad, tell us more about yourself.

    Even though I am sure no one but the haters and scumbags here care.....

    I don't think anyone cares, Mike; hence, the multiple blocking techniques.

    Yes, at one time I was at a low point economically.. I was arrested for driving with a suspended license and spent a night in jail..

    Did you, now? Well then, that makes you one of those fucking criminals you're always whining about like a little bitch, Mike! But you know they don't just suspend your driver's license for nothing.

    Got it squared away within a month and haven't had an issue since..

    Did you? That's very interesting, Mike! I had no fucking idea!

    Once again, crack whore welfare case Victoria tries to extort me by threatening to DOX me and once again, I shove it right up her hairy smelly very large ass...

    Oh, Mike! That's too much information about your wife, but your description certainly does match the photos, and thank you so much for sharing, you gullible dumb fucking moron. I had no idea you were one of those fucking criminals! Of course we all knew your wife was because you revealed it in this very forum along with your name, her name, your children's names (nice mugshots too) and even your grandchildren.

    You doxed your entire family, Mike! :eyeroll:
    Perhaps you forgot that you admitted that already? :eyeroll:

    Fuck off, crack whore Victoria... Yer nothing..

    Well, your prison whore did marry you and land in your stench hole because of your crimes, and that would absolutely and without question make her Mrs. Criminal-Nothing! :)

  167. [167] 
    Kick wrote:

    Tune in next week when Criminal Mike is suckered into revealing more of his personal life while blaming it on everyone but himself.

    PWNED!

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  168. [168] 
    Michale wrote:

    Michale
    156

    Once again, Daddy's Little Cockholster, Victoria ensures that every one who has me blocked will read my comments!!!

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    you gullible dumb fucking moron.

    And again, quit talking about your mother like that.. Yea, she was gullible that she would provide a plaything to your father... But com'on.. We don't need to know all the sordid facts of your family life...

    But by all means, Victoria..

    Continue to evade everyone's blocking filter by posting my comments..

    I laugh my ass off every time!!! :D

  169. [169] 
    Michale wrote:

    Tune in next week when Criminal Mike is suckered into revealing more of his personal life while blaming it on everyone but himself.

    "I've just collapsed it into about a dozen comments now that I've invoked "HIDDEN" and relegated it to its proper place of invisibility. Be gone! And so it is."
    -Victoria, Daddy's Little Cockholster

    Tune in every day... hell, every HOUR to see Victoria prove that she reads each and every one of my comments, despite her bullshit lie that she has blocked me...

    PWNED!

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    She is even taking on my posting style...

    Daddy's Little Cockholster wants to be like Mike.. :D

    PWNED!!!!

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  170. [170] 
    Michale wrote:

    Daddy's Little Cockholster wants to be like Mike.. :D

    Quick question for ya, Victoria..

    How many cocks can your holster hold??

    I mean, you have your dad's in there.. Probably your brother's too... Add in a couple johns from your street corner..

    So, is 4 cocks your holster limit???

    Just curious... :D

  171. [171] 
    Michale wrote:

    Biden, at 76, is making his third run for president and leads the field, thanks to the ridiculous number of candidates and the gauzy perception that he can unite the party and defeat Trump. But alarms are going off about his staying power after the first debates, and the best that can be said is that he survived.
    The big problem is that Biden is trying to be somebody he’s not and the clumsy effort is magnifying why he was never a successful national candidate on his own. Once a gaffe machine, always a gaffe machine.

    He is running as fast as he can to keep up with the party’s mad sprint to the left. Yet with even Obama fair game for the off-with-their-heads revolutionaries, Biden can’t possibly satisfy their bloodlust.

    To do so, he would have to ­renounce most of his record and embrace the socialist-style changes the far left demands while also convincing the working-class voters who swung the 2016 election to Trump that he’s with them. Few people could pull off the straddle, and Biden isn’t one of them.

    Yet as frightening as Biden’s performance is to many Dems, Warren raises even more scary scenarios.

    That is exactly the problem that Democrats face in this election..

    They want a Party Pure candidate.. But, except for the Party purists themselves, EVERYONE acknowledges that a pure Party candidate simply CAN'T win the General...

    Once again, Democrats have been maneuvered into a LOSE LOSE situation..

    I would love to see a CW analysis on exactly how a Open Borders, Infanticide, Free Full Healthcare for Crimmigrants, Killing ALL American's healthcare plans, Reparations candidate can appeal to Independents, NPAs and Trump voters...

    I know he can't do that because there is no way it could happen..

    But an analysis would be fun to read...

  172. [172] 
    Michale wrote:

    The debates confirmed that she is a hard-edged, big-government ideologue to the core. She is eating Sanders’ lunch while aligning with him on “Medicare for All” and other issues that aim for a wholesale remaking of America. They rail against corporations, from oil to banks to pharmaceuticals, with a strident militancy.

    But where Sanders looks like a flailing, angry old man who had his chance in 2016, Warren speaks with controlled fury and precision. She has a skilled lawyer’s command of her theory of the case, and there is no wasted energy in her assassin-style delivery.

    Neither is there any joy. Her language choices are sometimes lurid, as she repeatedly claims that insurers and other giant companies are “sucking money” out of the middle class. She displays equal contempt for business and the Dems who fault her radicalism, saying the party cannot be one of “small ideas and spinelessness.”

    She is a true believer — and that’s the problem. It’s a risky approach, which is why former Maryland Rep. John Delaney led the group trying to talk sense at last week’s debate. He said the “free everything” promises of Warren and Sanders “will turn off independent voters and get Trump re-elected.”

    He went on to cite the examples of George McGovern, Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis. All three went left — and all three lost in landslides.

    The fear that Warren is wrong for the moment is especially reasonable given the Electoral College. Her job-killing policies would make it hard for her party to win back those voters who enabled Trump to flip Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan.

    Indeed, Warren could be such a turnoff that swing House and Senate races would go red, with the GOP taking Congress and the White House.

    With the Democrat's plan to end fossil fuels, there is simply NO WAY that Democrats will win in Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin...

    Those states will overwhelmingly go for President Trump.. Given the mastery that President Trump has in all the other states???

    Democrats.... LOSE... LOSE...

  173. [173] 
    Michale wrote:

    Awwwwww.. Looks like Daddy's Little Cockholster, Victoria ran away....

    I guess she was tired of getting..

    PWNED!!!!!

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  174. [174] 
    Michale wrote:

    "If you agree with me on 7 out of 10 issues, you should vote for me. If you agree with me on 10 out of 10, you should have your head examined."
    -Former NYC Mayor Ed Koch

    Well said, yer honor.... RIP...

  175. [175] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, speaking of Occasional Cortex...

    What have they done with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? Has an imposter seized her office?

    The two top aides who helped define her as an outsider willing to crash the party are quitting, and one left immediately.

    Yet AOC supposedly texted that it’s no big deal.

    Somewhere, Nancy Pelosi is doing a victory dance.

    Looks like it's time for President Trump to send another tweet that forces Pelosi and Democrats to back Occasional Cortex and her bitches...

  176. [176] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    At the risk of being repetitive (should there be anyone that has not blocked or hidden my comments):

    "Like sands through the hourglass so are the days of our lives."
    -Socrates
    Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure

  177. [177] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Like sands through the hourglass so are the days of our lives."
    -Socrates

    "I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates....'I drank what!?'.."
    -Val Kilmer, REAL GENIUS

    :D

  178. [178] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    "...not as elegant as your solution, but simpler. I only really built it for myself, but if CW allows me to keep it public, then everybody can use it."

    One Demand may not be as "elegant" as continuing to vote for big money candidates making the same promises they have not kept aboot getting the big money out of politics with legislation sometime in the future, but it is simpler and could begin being effective right now.

    While I did not build it for myself, if CW would make it public instead of keeping it from the public, then everybody (that would want to use it if they knew aboot it) could use it.

    Who knows what the result might be and what might be effected.

    It could even inspire some people to comment here that want to have rational discussions and the comment section would more than just a print version of the Jerry Springer show.

  179. [179] 
    Michale wrote:

    DH

    I think Stig and Neil are the only ones who have blocked you...

    But hay.. I'll do for you what crack whore Victoria does for me..

    At the risk of being repetitive (should there be anyone that has not blocked or hidden my comments):

    "Like sands through the hourglass so are the days of our lives."
    -Socrates
    Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure

    I'll quote your comments so Neil and Stig can see them.. :D

    "What can I say except, 'yer welcome!!'.."
    -Maui, MOANA

    :D

  180. [180] 
    Michale wrote:

    It could even inspire some people to comment here that want to have rational discussions and the comment section would more than just a print version of the Jerry Springer show.

    It was that way at one time..

    Back before the haters and intolerant bigots showed up...

  181. [181] 
    Michale wrote:

    On LinkedIn, {Scumbag Texas Shooter) wrote he “wasn’t motivated” and said “working generally sucks” before adding that he is simply going to “go with the wind”.

    Ahhhh So he was a Democrat and Occasional Cortex supporter...

  182. [182] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ahhhhh Now we know why Occasional Cortex's chief of staff quit..

    He's about to be indicted and didn't want to tarnish Occasional Cortex...

    Feds probing AOC’s chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti after sudden resignation</BN
    https://nypost.com/2019/08/03/feds-probing-aocs-chief-of-staff-saikat-chakrabarti-after-sudden-resignation/

    Typical Democrat...

  183. [183] 
    Michale wrote:

    The two PACs being probed, Brand New Congress and Justice Democrats, were both set up by Chakrabarti to support progressive candidates across the country.

    But they funneled more than $1 million in political donations into two private companies that Chakrabarti also incorporated and controlled, according to Federal Election Commission filings and a complaint filed in March with the regulatory agency.

    In 2016 and 2017, the PACs raised about $3.3 million, mostly from small donors. A third of the cash was transferred to two private companies whose names are similar to one of the PACs — Brand New Congress LLC and Brand New Campaign LLC — federal campaign filings show.

    Looks like someone is going to jail..

    I am sure all of you will condemn Occasional Cortex's chief of staff..

    Right?? :eyeroll:

  184. [184] 
    Michale wrote:

    The legal quagmire comes on the heels of Chakrabarti’s attacks on fellow Democrats.

    In June and July, Chakrabarti accused Pelosi of being a weak leader and said that moderate Democrats were racists, “hell-bent to do to black and brown people today what the old Southern Democrats did in the 40s.”

    “Pelosi claims we can’t focus on impeachment because it’s a distraction from kitchen table issues,” he posted July 6. “What is this legislative mastermind doing?”

    Four days later, Pelosi reprimanded Ocasio-Cortez and her “squad” of young progressives during a closed-door meeting, demanding they stop airing their grievances in public.

    “So, again, you got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it,” Pelosi admonished, according to Politico.

    But the next week, President Trump kicked up the controversy again with a series of Dem-needling tweets, That led to a July 26 clear-the-air meeting between Pelosi and Ocasio-Cortez, one week before Chakrabarti’s departure to join a nonprofit think tank, New Consensus.

    AOC did not show up at a Bronx event on her schedule Saturday. Her office would not comment on the staff departures, and Chakrabarti did not return several messages. Trent declined comment.

    Looks like Occasional Cortex is in hiding...

  185. [185] 
    Michale wrote:

    {Scumbag Texas shooter was "taken into custody without incident" and without any law enforcement officers firing their weapons, according to El Paso Police Department Sgt. Robert Gomez. He later told investigators he wanted to shoot as many Mexicans as possible, two law enforcement officials told ABC News.

    Tell me..

    How is this any different than the scumbag baseball practice shooter wanting to kill as many Republicans as possible???

    Is the hateful rhetoric from from Democrats responsible for the actions of the Republican hating scumbag shooter??

    Using ya'all's reasoning, the answer is a DEFINITE YES...

  186. [186] 
    Michale wrote:

    Is the hateful rhetoric from from Democrats responsible for the actions of the Republican hating scumbag shooter??

    Using ya'all's reasoning, the answer is a DEFINITE YES...

    If there is a flaw in the logic, by all means, point it out..

    But I won't hear anything because there is no flaw in the logic...

  187. [187] 
    Michale wrote:

    Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley says the gunman in a mass shooting that killed nine people in Ohio was wearing body armor and had extra magazines.

    She says Dayton police officers patrolling the area fired on the shooter within a minute, killing him. She said “hundreds of people in the Oregon District could be dead today” if police hadn’t acted quickly.

    Once again... A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun...

  188. [188] 
    neilm wrote:

    Michale:

    I was wondering the impact of the "trollfree" version and your response, so I've been switching between the two, and scanning for a reaction.

    Test phase over.

    I can roughly estimate the number of emails you are spamming the board with based on the total count versus those I see. When you stop cut and paste spamming I'll know.

    Over and out.

  189. [189] 
    Michale wrote:

    I can roughly estimate the number of emails you are spamming the board with based on the total count versus those I see.

    I don't HAVE to roughly estimate the number of emails..

    It's ZERO...

    The simple fact is, as long as ya'all continue "spamming" the forum with your hysterical Trump/America hate, I'll continue to post the FACTS and reality..

    That is all there is to it..

    Over and out.

    Again???

    So, like.. yer gonna start "ignoring" me again?? :D

  190. [190] 
    neilm wrote:

    And another mass shooting.

    Odd how it always seems to happen in the U.S. and not in the U.K., France, Germany, Denmark, etc.

    You'd think there had to be some difference in the way the U.S. allows access to guns or something.

    But that can't be right, because if it was as simple as learning from other nations about gun control then we'd do it.

    Right?

  191. [191] 
    Michale wrote:

    Odd how it always seems to happen in the U.S. and not in the U.K., France, Germany, Denmark, etc.

    Really??

    There has never been a mass murder incident in the UK, France, Germany, Denmark, etc etc???

    :eyeroll:

    You'd think there had to be some difference in the way the U.S. allows access to guns or something.

    There is..

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Maybe you have heard of that??

    But that can't be right, because if it was as simple as learning from other nations about gun control then we'd do it.

    Get rid of the 2nd and you can have your gun ban..

    What part of that is too hard for you to comprehend???

  192. [192] 
    Michale wrote:

    But that can't be right, because if it was as simple as learning from other nations about gun control then we'd do it.

    Australia has gun control..

    In the 20 years prior to the incident that prompted the gun ban, 74 people were killed in mass murder incidents..

    In the 20 years after the incident that prompted the gun ban, 79 people were killed in mass murder incidents..

    Apparently, the FACTS clearly show that taking away the tool DOESN'T eliminate the murders..

    In the UK, it's knives and acid...

    The simple fact is, only addressing the mental health issue has ANY chance of limiting mass murder incidents..

    But THEN you would run afoul of the Democrat Party's agenda of Personal Privacy and Social Justice...

    These are the facts.. And they are indisputable..

  193. [193] 
    Michale wrote:

    Get rid of the 2nd and you can have your gun ban..

    What part of that is too hard for you to comprehend???

    Let's face reality, Neil..

    THIS is why ya want to ban me from here..

    Because you can't handle the FACT that you are wrong and you can't address my facts and logic and rational discourse..

    You basically are a quintessential Democrat.. But, instead of falsely accusing me of racism, you write spyware scripts and hacks to Weigantia and advocate me being banned...

    I have given you two ways to get me to leave...

    :D

    But ya can't do it.. :D

  194. [194] 
    TheStig wrote:

    Neilm-190

    It's even odder when it happens 3 miles away as the crow flies. It's very likely I know somebody who was killed or injured in the Oregon District massacre that happened last night. There are a lot of beer pubs in the Oregon and I hang out with a lot of people who like craft beer and local musicians. I'm not going to add to the panic by phoning around, I'll know soon enough.

    The Dayton police seem to have responded very quickly and professionally - the gunman was killed roughly 1 minute after he opened fire.

    I have to wonder what would have happened if a "good guy with a gun" had fired back? How would the police differentiate between the killer and the amateur cop? My guess is they wouldn't take the time to bother, given volume of fire from a military style rifle, and the fact that the crowd will be running from the out of uniform "good guy" who the crowd doesn't know from Adam. Seconds are too precious to waste, my guess is their doctrine is to take down any source of fire they cannot instantly ID. Sorry chum, the prime directive is to minimize casualties and sort things out later.

  195. [195] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Dayton police seem to have responded very quickly and professionally - the gunman was killed roughly 1 minute after he opened fire.

    Exactly.. A good guy with a gun stopped the bad guy with a gun..

    My guess is

    And you get that from what??? Your "vast" LEO experience??

    Of from watching cop shows on TV??? :eyeroll:

    The fact is, yer clueless and are simply relying on your Party slavery...

    Seconds are too precious to waste, my guess

    Again, your "guess" is based on nothing but ignorance and Party slavery...

    :eyeroll: moron..

  196. [196] 
    neilm wrote:

    TS [194]

    Imagine the Texas politicians got their wet dream and there were lots of good guys packing concealed weapons. The bad guy starts firing and they all the good guys pull out their guns.

    With a few well placed shots the bad guy could get all the good guys shooting at each other, with cops shooting everybody with a gun. The bad guy could walk away and repeat multiple times if desired, leaving a trail of dead bodies, finger pointing and escalating fear.

    The whole "good guy with a gun" nonsense is so dumb, it isn't really meant to be taken seriously, is is just meant to sound serious so the gun nuts can pretend their fetish isn't responsible for a mounting body count of innocent people.

    A "well armed militia" - right.

  197. [197] 
    Michale wrote:

    With a few well placed shots the bad guy could get all the good guys shooting at each other

    BBBWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Someone has been watching WAY TOO MUCH Starsky & Hutch...

    The whole "good guy with a gun" nonsense is so dumb, it isn't really meant to be taken seriously,

    Only because you are a coward who is afraid of guns and would have to run away from a threat instead of running TOWARDS the threat.. :eyeroll:

    A "well armed militia" - right.

    Which has nothing to do with the Constitutional right to own a gun..

    So says the Supreme Court Of The United States..

  198. [198] 
    Michale wrote:

    The whole "good guy with a gun" nonsense is so dumb, it isn't really meant to be taken seriously,

    And yet, it was a good guy with a gun who took down the Dayton shooter..

    I know, I know.. Being the cop hater you are, you don't consider ANYONE with a gun a "good" guy...

    :eyeroll: moron

  199. [199] 
    Patrick wrote:

    And lets not forget the armed security guard at the Parkland Florida shooting who ran away when the shots started. Another "good guy" who let the shooter reload 5 times.

  200. [200] 
    Michale wrote:

    And lets not forget the armed security guard at the Parkland Florida shooting who ran away when the shots started. Another "good guy" who let the shooter reload 5 times.

    And, of course, in your cop-hating mind that one incident applies to ALL cops, right??

    So, using YOUR reasoning, all Democrats are like the scumbag Bernie Bro who shot up the Republican baseball practice..

    :eyeroll: moron..

  201. [201] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Patrick

    Still waiting for you to provide FACTS for your bullshit claims about the Gilroy shooting..

    Got any??

    No??

    Figgers....

  202. [202] 
    Patrick wrote:

    Is that all you have got? The baseball shooting? No discussion of the facts? No suggestions or recommendations on how to stop these mass killings? What a waste of time you are.

  203. [203] 
    Michale wrote:

    Is that all you have got? The baseball shooting? No discussion of the facts? No suggestions or recommendations on how to stop these mass killings? What a waste of time you are.

    Of course you would say that..

    Because you can't refute the FACTS...

    You apply this reasoning when it suits yer agenda, but get all bitchy and whiny when it goes AGAINST your agenda..

    Grow up, son...

  204. [204] 
    Michale wrote:

    No suggestions or recommendations on how to stop these mass killings

    YOU'RE the one who has no recommendations...

    Every time one of these mass shootings happens, I ask morons like you to give me a law that will prevent these incidents and is permissible under the 2nd Amendment.

    And you whine and cry like a bitch..

    *I* have put for recommendation..

    MENTAL HEALTH is where the target should be.

    But YOU refuse to accept that because your Party slavery won't allow you to consider it..

    So, when you whine and bitch about no recommendations??

    Look in a mirror.. Cuz that's you..

    Any facts yet to support your Gilroy shooting bullshit???

    No??

    :eyeroll: moron..

  205. [205] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yoooo Hoooooo??? Paaaatrriiiiccckkkkkkk???

    You run away again because you have no facts????

  206. [206] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's a real simple question..

    Give me a law that is permissible under the 2nd Amendment and will actually stop or help stop Crowd Based Mass Shootings..

    It's easy to determine "permissible"...

    Just take the law that you want to apply to gun ownership and apply it to, say, Freedom Of Speech..

    EX: If you want to force people to buy insurance for their gun (a Weigantian favorite) then you would have to force people to buy insurance for their Freedom of Speech..

    See how easy it is??

    SO... Give me a law that is PERMISSIBLE constitutionally and will prevent or help prevent CBMSs....

    Can ya do it???

    {{ccccchhhiiiiirrrrrpppppp}} {{{ccchhhiiirrrrrpppppppp}}}

    Yea.. That's what I figgered.. :eyeroll:

  207. [207] 
    TheStig wrote:

    RE- Dayton shooting

    One of the dead was the shooter's sister.

    The shooter was reportedly wearing body armor. Six of the nine dead (excluding shooter) were AfroAm.

    Shooter was Caucasian, 24 year old, mostly ordinary with the exception of an hit list drawn up in high school (not formally confirmed). Importance of mental health is mentioned by people who knew the shooter.

    Shooters immediate family lives in an upscale suburb south of Dayton.

  208. [208] 
    Michale wrote:

    Importance of mental health is mentioned by people who knew the shooter.

    WOW... Who would have thunked it...

    Oh.. Wait..

    *I* just said that Mental Health is the key to preventing these CBMSs...

    Once again, I am proven dead on ballz accurate..

  209. [209] 
    TheStig wrote:

    Neilm-

    A "well armed militia"

    The Constitutional wording is "well regulated militia."

    This is where original "intent" gets fun house mirrored by many "conservatives" in the age of the modern NRA.

    The full second reads:

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Given the state of US military at the time the Constitution was adopted the clearest interpretation seems obvious to me:

    The People (plural) have the right to keep and bear arms as individuals in a regulated militia. In the time of The Framers, all able bodied men were required to serve in a militia and to bring the arms in their care when ordered to do so. That does not preclude The State from regulating those arms and how they are used by the regulated militia in times of peace and war. The State regulates The Militia. How is not specified in detail.

    The Framers weren't nuts. Or at least not all of them.

  210. [210] 
    Patrick wrote:

    In the time of the Framers the weapons of choice were muzzleloaders which could fire 1 ball per minute.

    Mass killings were not even thought of back then. Nor were they possible with rifles or pistols.

  211. [211] 
    TheStig wrote:

    The 2nd Amendment adds specifics about arming and disciplining militia.

    Congress shall have the power ... to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress

    —?US Constitution, article 1, section 8, clause 15

  212. [212] 
    neilm wrote:

    Patrick [209]

    Thanks - as soon as I hit "submit" I realized the typo.

    Anyway, as you say, the framers didn't mean: let any Tom, Dick, or Sally build an arsenal for personal use - the right was to participate in a well regulated militia - my guess is that the three murderers were not in any "well regulated militia" and nowhere in the Constitution does it give anybody the right to form their own personal militia - the militia were obviously regulated by a state body, either at the Federal, or more likely, the State level.

    The whole farce is just a word game by the NRA, the gun manufacturers and the gun nuts to allow open access to military class weapons without regard for the cost.

    As you may or may not know, my solution imposes a cost (rights are not free) in the form insurance for potential damage caused.

    Chris Ladd sums it up best:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisladd/2018/02/19/one-simple-step-toward-sane-gun-laws/#38da304d2b33

  213. [213] 
    neilm wrote:

    Well I was wrong - the militia was meant to be regulated at the Federal level.

    One day well grow up and throw the gun nuts out of power.

  214. [214] 
    neilm wrote:
  215. [215] 
    TheStig wrote:

    Disregard extraneous question mark in 211

    By the way, the Militia Act of 1903 (still on the books) establishes a Reserve Militia comprised of every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.

  216. [216] 
    neilm wrote:

    And, of course, the outline of the insurance plan:

    https://goplifer.com/2015/08/27/gun-control-is-easy/

  217. [217] 
    Michale wrote:

    All of you are wrong..

    Not surprising since ya'all share the same Party slavery..

    The SCOTUS has ruled that the "well regulated militia" part is incidental to the main part of the 2nd Amendment.

    Meaning, it explains but ONE reason why the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed..

    If the authors of the Constitution could peer into the future, the 2nd might have read:

    "Because of the threat that every citizen faces from thugs and scumbags, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.."

    Your hysterical anti-gun agenda LOST...

    Face reality...

  218. [218] 
    Patrick wrote:

    The top Republican in the House expressed concern about the influence of video games following the two deadly mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio over the weekend.
    “The idea of these video games, they dehumanize individuals to have a game of shooting individuals and others,” House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said in an interview on Fox News on Sunday.

    As a kid I remember Elmer Fudd trying to shoot Bugs Bunny with his shotgun every show. And Wile E Coyote dropping dynamite on the Road Runner. None of this made anybody mass murderers

  219. [219] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Patrick

    Hay moron..

    In the time of the Framers the weapons of choice were muzzleloaders which could fire 1 ball per minute.

    Mass killings were not even thought of back then. Nor were they possible with rifles or pistols.

    In the time of the framers, the communications of choice was the town crier and a "newspaper" that took a week to print..

    The internet and television was not even thought of back then..

    So, obviously Free Speech doesn't apply to those mediums.

    You really are a sad and moronic creature, aren't you???

    :eyeroll:

  220. [220] 
    Patrick wrote:

    Screwed the format up on that one.

  221. [221] 
    neilm wrote:

    And the A-Team were running around firing off automatic weapons with great gusto - for an "A-Team" they seemed to be remarkable unable to hit anything with all their firepower.

  222. [222] 
    Michale wrote:

    The internet and television was not even thought of back then..

    So, obviously Free Speech doesn't apply to those mediums.

    That's what you Party slaves refuse to comprehend...

    Owning a gun is as MUCH of a Constitutional right as Freedom of Speech is..

    As much as Freedom of religion is..

    As much as the right to vote is..

    Every argument ya'all make against the 2nd can be laid bare as the moronic Party agenda argument it is, simply by applying it to other Constitutional rights..

    You CAN'T win..

    That is all there is too it..

  223. [223] 
    Michale wrote:

    And the A-Team were running around firing off automatic weapons with great gusto - for an "A-Team" they seemed to be remarkable unable to hit anything with all their firepower.

    Yea.. Cuz a Hollywood action show is JUST like real life..

    Did Christine hit you with the STOOPID stick again, Neil??

  224. [224] 
    neilm wrote:

    The obscurity campaign organized by the NRA is to blame this on video games - they are earning their NRA pay by rushing to the nearest camera to pin the blame on anything but guns.

    They don't think anybody is stupid enough to believe this, it is simply a way to deflect from the obvious.

    Guns are the problem. Societies without irresponsible access to guns have few, if any, mass shootings.

  225. [225] 
    Patrick wrote:

    To put it in perspective......251 mass shootings in 216 days in the U.S.

  226. [226] 
    TheStig wrote:

    It's worth noting that Dayton has a population adjusted murder rate that is about on par with Chicago. That's higher than average, but not super high. What is unprecedented is so many at one time.

    When my father announced in 1948 he was moving to Dayton, one of his uncles said "JEEZUS, BE CAREFUL, IT'S ROUGH TOWN." This uncle was a semi-organized criminal "enforcer" in NYC during the very early part of the 20th Century, so it was assumed he was an authority on this sort of thing.

  227. [227] 
    Patrick wrote:

    Dayton police said the gunman used a .223 caliber, assault-style weapon with high capacity magazines.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/dayton-ohio-shooting-suspect-connor-betts-9-killed-mass-shooting-today-2019-08-04-live-updates/

    Another one to match Gilroy, El Paso and now Dayton.

  228. [228] 
    TheStig wrote:

    I don't know any of the dead victims, but the wounded haven't been listed publicly so far as I know. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I have a powerful "there but for the grace of..." feeling.

  229. [229] 
    Patrick wrote:
  230. [230] 
    Patrick wrote:

    Sorry I read your post wrong.

  231. [231] 
    TheStig wrote:

    Needless to say, I think the US Supreme Court has made some egregiously bad split decisions on firearm regulation. They Men and Women, not Gods or Goddesses. Rulings can be overturned, amendments can modify the US Constitution.

    Votes matter.

  232. [232] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm
    196

    Imagine the Texas politicians got their wet dream and there were lots of good guys packing concealed weapons. The bad guy starts firing and they all the good guys pull out their guns.

    I've actually seen this scenario play out at an annual picnic where shots were fired in the vicinity. I'd say around 75+ various assorted firearms were drawn simultaneously as around 250+ people were ordered to the ground, seconds spent deciding who would respond, and it turned out to be a 6-year-old who took his father's gun to shoot targets. You know, that familiar scenario where everyone is a "responsible gun owner" until they're not.

    The whole "good guy with a gun" nonsense is so dumb, it isn't really meant to be taken seriously, it is just meant to sound serious so the gun nuts can pretend their fetish isn't responsible for a mounting body count of innocent people.

    Absolutely correct. Also, it's utterly asinine to assume that a police officer with a firearm is a "good guy with a gun." Cut to the chase: You should divest yourself of the erroneous notion that all police officers are good people trying to do the right thing; it's quite simply ridiculous.

  233. [233] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm
    Patrick
    TS

    Great posts.

    Bottom line: Constitutional rights are neither unlimited nor absolute; they've never been and never will be. Full stop.

    Name me one unlimited constitutional right. I'll wait. ;)

  234. [234] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm
    196

    Cut to the chase: You should divest yourself of the erroneous notion that all police officers are good people trying to do the right thing; it's quite simply ridiculous.

    Just to clarify: I'm certainly not singling out you here with my use of the term "you." I mean everybody, everyone, nationwide, etc. :)

  235. [235] 
    Patrick wrote:

    In Federalist Paper No. 29 published in 1788 Alexander Hamilton wrote that the meaning of “a well regulated militia” was one that was “disciplined and trained and guardians of our national security”.

    This sure sounds like the purpose of our military than it is directed to any bozo who wants to buy a gun.

    side note: I'm one of those bozos because I own 2 guns and own a ranch where my closest neighbor is 2 miles away. Just saying.

  236. [236] 
    dsws wrote:

    [64] ... Coal ...

    No politician will get rid of coal. The economics of it is irrevocably doing so already. Mainly fracking, which people in my region of the political landscape mostly love to hate. I don't share that opinion. Anything that replaces some coal-burning is an improvement. The ash, the mercury, the mining waste, the CO2, the health and safety of the people who mine it: coal does worse on every criterion. Oil and gas aren't wonderful, but they're light-years ahead of coal. Only politics is keeping the coal industry alive at all.

  237. [237] 
    neilm wrote:
  238. [238] 
    TheStig wrote:

    The Dayton Daily News reports most people admitted to hospitals due to the shooting had non critical limb injuries and have been released. At least one shooting victim remains in hospital in critical condition. By all accounts Dayton trauma units handled the emergency very well. They get a lot of practice with violent trauma, but, not at the level seen this weekend. If you ever spend a few hours in triage with a non life threatening injury you see get to see just how much practice they do get with violent trauma in an ordinary day.

  239. [239] 
    Michale wrote:

    @dsws

    No politician will get rid of coal. The economics of it is irrevocably doing so already. Mainly fracking, which people in my region of the political landscape mostly love to hate. I don't share that opinion. Anything that replaces some coal-burning is an improvement. The ash, the mercury, the mining waste, the CO2, the health and safety of the people who mine it: coal does worse on every criterion. Oil and gas aren't wonderful, but they're light-years ahead of coal. Only politics is keeping the coal industry alive at all.

    So ANY politician who promises to end the use of fossil fuels is full of shit and a stone cold panderer and liar??

    Would you agree with that assessment??

  240. [240] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Patrick,

    This sure sounds like the purpose of our military than it is directed to any bozo who wants to buy a gun.

    The militia part of the 2nd Amendment has absolutely NOTHING to do with the rights of the people to keep and bear arms..

    What part of that is unclear to you..

    I know, I know.. You'll "ignore" this because you don't have any logical or rational rebuttal..

  241. [241] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Stig,

    Needless to say, I think the US Supreme Court has made some egregiously bad split decisions on firearm regulation.

    That's your opinion and I respect that.

    But it's irrelevant to the matter at hand.

    The SCOTUS has ruled that "THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"

    Period. Full stop..

    Argue it's wrong til the cows come home if you like.. It's STILL the law of the land..

  242. [242] 
    Michale wrote:

    2020 Democrats lay blame on Trump’s rhetoric for shootings
    https://apnews.com/ec74c3c86d1f44c0afc40ba2c6c81702

    I am sure everyone here believes this to be factually accurate..

    If so, then you also MUST believe that Democrat rhetoric was responsible for the scumbag shooter who attacked a Republican baseball practice..

    Right???

  243. [243] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, all of this whimpering and whining and not ONE OF YOU could come up with a single solitary law that would prevent or help prevent these crowd based mass shootings and would be allowable under the 2nd..

    It's hysterically funny that ya'all scream hysterically for more laws, but you can't name a single law that will work...

    Ignorance at it's finest..

    :eyeroll:

  244. [244] 
    Michale wrote:

    Confusion: Biden offers sympathy for the ‘tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan’
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/confusion-biden-offers-sympathy-for-the-tragic-events-in-houston-today-and-also-in-michigan

    Uh... Joe???

    Biden will NOT be the Democrat nominee... This much is certain..

  245. [245] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Victoria

    Bottom line: Constitutional rights are neither unlimited nor absolute; they've never been and never will be. Full stop.

    No one is claiming that Constitutional rights are unlimited..

    There are already massive restrictions on gun ownership..

    You want more??

    Give me a law that will work and is allowed under the 2nd Amendment..

    You can't because no such law exists...

    All you are left with is whining and crying impotently..

    You do that very well...

    :eyeroll:

  246. [246] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Patrick

    To put it in perspective......251 mass shootings in 216 days in the U.S.

    Facts to support?? Define "mass shooting"..

    Even if factually accurate, so???

    What's your solution???

    Yer the Emperor of America.. You have the power to create law all by yourself..

    You only have 2 restrictions.

    It must be a law that will actually prevent Crowd Based Mass Shootings..

    And it must be permissible under the 2nd Amendment.

    What law will you create??

    {{{ccccchhhhhhiiiirrrrrrppppppp}}} {{CCCHHHIIIRRRPPP}}

    Yea, that's what I thought..

    Yer a pretty shitty emperor, son... :D

  247. [247] 
    Michale wrote:

    “Assault weapons are designed for one reason. They are military weapons. And I don’t have to explain that to the people in Las Vegas who experienced the worst gun tragedy in the history of this country”
    -Bernie Sanders

    The ignorance displayed is appalling..

    It's also laughable..

    Gun hating morons want to ban a rifle SOLELY because it LOOKS scary..

    I mean, HONESTLY...

    How STOOPID can ya'all get???

    :eyeroll:

  248. [248] 
    Michale wrote:

    Gun hating morons want to ban a rifle SOLELY because it LOOKS scary..

    You have two identical rifles.. With the EXACT same specs and nomenclature..

    One is black... The other is wood-grain..

    https://annoyedweb.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/ar-15-comparison-meme.jpg?w=616

    And idiotic and ignorant anti-gun fanatics want to ban the black one and leave the wood grain one available, even though by all other standards, they are identical..

    I dunno.. Maybe it's an extension of Democrat racism, wanting to ban the black one..

    But, other than appearence, they are both identical rifles..

    You morons want to ban one and leave the other, SOLELY based on how it looks!!!

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  249. [249] 
    Michale wrote:

    On another note..

    It's no wonder that Democrats love China...

    ‘One Child Nation’: Inside China’s Horrifying Child-Killing Policy

    The new documentary ‘One Child Nation’ examines China’s draconian, decades-long one-child policy, which resulted in countless abductions, forced abortions, and child deaths.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/one-child-nation-inside-chinas-horrifying-child-killing-policy

    :eyeroll:

  250. [250] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ahhhhhh

    So now we come to find out that the Dayton shooter was a Democrat and an Elizabeth Warren supporter..

    the Dayton, Ohio mass shooter, was a self-described “leftist,” who wrote that he would happily vote for Democrat Elizabeth Warren, praised Satan, was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, and added, “I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.”

    So, the scumbag shooter was upset about President Trump winning the election so he succumbed to all the hateful Democrat rhetoric and went on a shooting rampage..

    Yea.. That's the ticket.. :eyeroll:

    So, if you want to blame Trump for El Paso, you MUST blame Elizabeth Warren for Dayton...

    I can predict ya'all's response..

    "Yea.. Well OUR guy only killed 9 in Dayton.. Trump's guy killed 20 in El Paso so Trump's guy is worse!!!"

    Yea.. That's about ya'all's mentality :eyeroll:

  251. [251] 
    Michale wrote:

    The scumbag in Dayton was a pot smoker as well so, obviously, anyone who smokes pot is a mass shooter...

    That's how you people roll... :eyeroll:

  252. [252] 
    Michale wrote:

    Apparently, the Dayton scumbag was a big fan of the socialist "squad" including Occasional Cortex..

    So, OBVIOUSLY, their heated and hateful rhetoric is responsible for the Dayton shooting..

    I am simply applying ya'all's own "logic" (such as it is) to the Dayton shooting..

  253. [253] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Ohio gunman described himself on social media as a pro-Satan “leftist” who wanted Joe Biden’s generation to die off, hated President Trump and law enforcement, and hoped to vote for Sen. Elizabeth Warren for president.

    The irony is especially delicious this morning..

    I mean, you see all the sheep and Dumbocrats screaming and yelling about how President Trump's "hateful" rhetoric is responsible for El Paso...

    Then comes along a Democrat fanatic who shoots up Dayton and all the insane and hysterical hateful rhetoric from Democrats is turned on it's ear..

    If Trump et al is responsible for El Paso, then Warren et al is responsible for Dayton..

    That is, according to ya'all's "logic"...

  254. [254] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ohio Mass Murderer Connor Betts Was a Registered Democrat (With a Thing for Satan)
    https://granitegrok.com/blog/2019/08/ohio-mass-murderer-connor-betts-was-a-registered-democrat-with-a-thing-for-satan

    Kinda puts a dent in ya'all's hysterical blaming of President Trump and the GOP for El Paso, eh??

    :eyeroll:

  255. [255] 
    Michale wrote:

    It looks like the Ohio shooter has been a registered Democrat since 2012. Point? Probably not a Trump voter. Why does that matter? Because the Left made it matter.

    It’s sad that we must play these games, but the progressives will be on the street with whatever narrative advances their disarmament agenda. So, here we go.

    Exactly.. It's stoopid and utterly moronic to blame a Political Party or President for the actions of one of their supporters...

    But moronic Dumbocrats make the rules of this game.

    So, now they get stuffed by their own rules..

  256. [256] 
    Michale wrote:

    This is indeed another tragedy on the heels of the more devastating El Paso shooting. To which I can only, at this time, four things.

    First, the headline we won’t see is Democrat Satanist Hillary (or Bernie) supporter kills nine. Second, why weren’t any of these people armed and carrying? Third, who prevented them from carrying for self-defense?

    The big takeaway is simple..

    Of the two Partys, which Party wants to disarm Americans and prevent them from defending themselves??

    That would be the Democrat Party..

  257. [257] 
    Michale wrote:

    Biehl said police officers in the area engaged him seconds after the first gunshots were heard and the gunman was "neutralized" within 30 seconds after the first of "dozens of rounds." Betts was shot and killed by police before he entered Ned Peppers Bar. He was using a .223-caliber rifle.

    The scumbag Democrat shooter was stopped by good guys with guns..

    So much for the claim that a "good guy with a gun" is a myth..

    It's obvious that it's not...

  258. [258] 
    Michale wrote:

    @Patrick

    Victim list Stig

    WOW.. Just throw their names out there in the public arena, Patrick

    Give them some peace and respect, son...

    :eyeroll:

  259. [259] 
    Michale wrote:

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iwO6lAbqJD8/maxresdefault.jpg

    Identical firepower..

    Identical ammunition..

    Identical capacity..

    Identical muzzle velocity..

    Identical range..

    Democrats want to ban one but the other is perfectly acceptable..

    There is no logic or reason to the Democrat position..

    It's SOLELY to give the illusion that Democrats are actually doing something..

    Democrats are morons..

    Anyone who buys into this "assault rifle" bullshit is a moron..

    It's that simple..

    Again, if there is a flaw in the logic, point it out..

    But no one can because there isn't one..

  260. [260] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ohio rampage on heels of Texas mass shooting stuns country

    In a country that has become nearly numb to men with guns opening fire in schools, at concerts and in churches, the back-to-back bursts of gun violence in less than 24 hours were enough to leave the public stunned and shaken. The shootings ground the 2020 presidential campaign to a halt, reignited a debate on gun control and called into question the increasingly angry words directed at immigrants on the southern border in recent weeks by right-wing pundits and President Trump.
    https://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Ohio-rampage-on-heels-of-Texas-mass-shooting-14279977.php

    How inconvenient it must be for Democrat haters that the Dayton scumbag shooter was a registered Democrat who violently supported socialism and proclaimed his desire to vote for Elizabeth Warren..

    So, OBVIOUSLY, Warren's hateful and heated rhetoric was responsible for the Dayton shooting..

    Democrat "logic"...

    :eyeroll:

  261. [261] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, well, well.. What have we here..

    “If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable. Ambitious left-wing projects such as universal health care and Universal Basic Income would become far more likely to succeed if tens of millions of dependents are removed.”
    -Scumbag El Paso shooter

    Looks like the white supremacist was a promoter of Left Wing rhetoric...

    So, it looks like racism has more in common with LEFT than it does with Right..

    Not surprising, since it's the Democrat Party that gave birth to the KKK...

  262. [262] 
    Michale wrote:

    Mexico vows to take legal action against U.S. after El Paso massacre

    At least seven of the 20 dead in Saturday's attack, described by Mexico's foreign minister as an "act of barbarism," are Mexican nationals.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mexico-vows-take-legal-action-against-u-s-wake-deadly-n1039096

    Yea?? And how many Americans are killed by Mexican nationals??

    Thousands?? TENS of thousands.. HUNDREDS of thousands??

    Is Mexico going to accept responsibility for THOSE "acts of barbarism??

    :eyeroll:

    Moron...

  263. [263] 
    Michale wrote:

    “Guns don’t kill people, people do,” says the cliché. But the twisted and the evil can kill a lot more people when handed a murder machine. Our Founding Fathers gave us the right to bear arms in a time of muskets. They did not foresee a time when one 21-year-old could kill 20 people in the span of minutes thanks to poisonous beliefs and an assault weapon.

    The old lame tired "The founders did not envision guns such as we have today so the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply today..."

    One of the lamest arguments in an agenda replete with lame arguments..

    It's like saying, "The founders did not envision that a person can write a comment and it be viewed by millions of people all over the world so the 1st Amendment doesn't apply today."

    Both are equally ludicrous and ridiculous statements..

    This is the one fact that you crazy gun haters do not comprehend..

    Owning a gun is as much of a Constitutional right as freedom of speech is...

    Owning a gun is as much of a Constitutional right as freedom of the press is..

    As with ALL Constitutional rights, limitations can, have and SHOULD be applied..

    But, just as you can only go so far to limit freedom of speech, you can only go so far to limit freedom of gun ownership..

    And, with the 2nd Amendment, that limit has been reached..

    This is evidenced by the FACT that not a single solitary anti-gun fanatic, including all of you here, can come up with a single solitary law or even a series of laws that will A>prevent or help prevent crowd based mass shootings and B>is allowable under the 2nd Amendment..

    The anti-gun fanatics are simply pissing into the wind and politicizing tragedies to further their own unconstitutional agenda..

  264. [264] 
    Michale wrote:

    ‘How do you stop these people?’: Trump’s anti-immigrant rhetoric looms over El Paso massacre
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/spotlight/how-do-you-stop-these-people-trumps-anti-immigrant-rhetoric-looms-over-el-paso-massacre/ar-AAFkCYL

    And Democrat's Anti-America rhetoric looms over Dayton massacre...

    What's the point???

  265. [265] 
    Michale wrote:

    Recent mass shootings in the U.S.: A timeline
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/recent-mass-shootings-in-the-us-a-timeline/ar-AAFkzcy

    Reading thru this list of tragedies, one with an OPEN mind and no political agenda is struck by one glaring fact..

    They are ALL different..

    Some are black men, some are white men, some are hispanic, some are muslim, some are men and some are women.....

    Even the choice of weapon is different.. Some used a rifle, some used a handgun, some used a shotgun, some used a combination of all three..

    So, attacking the TOOL used is ridiculous unless you are pushing the agenda to ban ALL guns.. And that's a non-starter from the word GO...

    The ONLY common factor that CAN be addressed and CAN be used to stop these shootings is Mental Health..

    While it's clear that they ALL had mental health issues (the very nature of their crimes prove this beyond a doubt) the vast majority of them had exhibited signs of mental health issues prior to their rampage.. But privacy laws and Democrat social justice prevented authorities from taking action against these people..

    Addressing the mental health issue is the ONLY way to prevent or help prevent these massacres...

    Taking away the tool simply means that scumbags will use a different tool.. Australia proves that beyond ANY doubt..

    But if you address the mental health factor?? You stop these massacres before they start...

    I know, I know.. It's not in the Democrat Party agenda to actually STOP these massacres. :eyeroll:

  266. [266] 
    Michale wrote:
  267. [267] 
    Michale wrote:

    Life in public-shooting-era America: 'You can't just not go'
    https://apnews.com/1c485bb8f6124280821ce0c9ee5adb7b

    This is life in today's America..

    You can let the fear rule you or you can rule your fear...

    Just like Americans had to get used to auto accidents, which cause more deaths by a factor of 3 than gun violence AND something that can happen to you anytime anywhere, Americans will have to get used to gun violence.

    It's the price of freedom....

  268. [268] 
    Michale wrote:

    Just like Americans had to get used to auto accidents, which cause more deaths by a factor of 3 than gun violence AND something that can happen to you anytime anywhere, Americans will have to get used to gun violence.

    And I am constrained to point out that owning or driving a car is not a Constitutional right, as gun ownership is..

  269. [269] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Common Thread Binding These Mass Murderers
    Hint: It’s not political ideology.

    https://spectator.org/the-common-thread-binding-these-mass-murderers/

    Interesting commentary...

  270. [270] 
    Michale wrote:

    In a better world, the names of the El Paso and Dayton shooters wouldn’t be known. The evidence would be gathered. The killer who lived would be tried this week, hung next with only the families of the victims as witnesses. There would be no CNN discussions. There would be no Twitter trending with the killers’ names because the Washington Post would not be headlining them.

    The focus, instead, would be on the victims and helping them.

    Copycats would see that the outcome of these barbaric acts gets them no notoriety. They would realize that the consequences of a choice to kill would be to die anonymous and alone, never to be remembered. Their time on this planet will be ignominious and brief. Justice would be swift and complete.

    A-frakin'-MEN to that!!!

  271. [271] 
    Michale wrote:

    It turns out that the Ohio murderer was a Satan-loving Democrat who liked Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. Yet the media and the right-leaning media are not condemning the violent rhetoric coming from the Left:

    David French
    ?
    @DavidAFrench
    · Aug 4, 2019
    I remember being told to chill out about the alt-right.

    It was just memes. It was just trolling. It was just trying to trigger the libs.

    Then it was a terror attack in Charlottesville.

    Then it was manifestos. Then it was massacres.

    Burn it down. This is a defining moment.

    DodgersChokeAgain
    @AgainChoke
    “Hi, I’m going to exploit a heinous crime by a mentally ill moron for political gain. So let’s go ahead and lump this insane killer in with everyone who leans right, because that will help the candidates I like in the next election. I’m David French, and I politicize tragedy.”

    Moronic Democrats.. :eyeroll:

  272. [272] 
    Michale wrote:

    One of the most authoritative and interesting surveys of the attitudes of gun owners was conducted by the Pew Research Center in 2017. That survey shows the vast majority of Americans who own guns are not members of the NRA and that most favor some form of gun control. However, most refrain from pushing for greater regulation of guns because they neither trust the government nor believe that it will protect them. They often resent the disdain for their way of life of the kind expressed by President Barack Obama when he suggested they “cling to guns or religion” as a way of expressing “antipathy to people who aren't like them … as a way to explain their frustrations." They see themselves as on their own in a dangerous world.

    The NRA is a convenient scapegoat for the hysterical anti-gun fanatics..

    It's also complete and utter bullshit.. But that's Democrats for ya...

    :eyeroll:

  273. [273] 
    neilm wrote:

    The renminbi just passed 7.0/$ - if this is allowed to continue it signals a deliberate start to a currency war against Trump (not the U.S. - this is a deliberate act to provoke Trump specifically).

    Short term, this hurts everybody, but there are several upsides for the Chinese:

    1. it mitigates the tariffs
    2. it passes the pain to the rest of the World, and/or
    3. it drags down their main importers' currencies wrt the $ (further annoying Trump)
    4. it could prompt Trump to start manipulating the dollar for political reasons, undermining the reputation of the dollar as the World's reserve currency

    All Trump has to do is avoid the obvious reaction they are trying to provoke. We all know the chances of that.

    This will be an interesting week on the currency markets.

  274. [274] 
    Michale wrote:

    All Trump has to do is avoid the obvious reaction they are trying to provoke. We all know the chances of that.

    Funny how you support China when they try to provoke a reaction..

    But you attack your own President for (you claim) the exact same thing..

    What kind of American are you, Neil?

  275. [275] 
    Michale wrote:

    This will be an interesting week on the currency markets.

    Yea, just like it was an "interesting week" with the Mueller report... :eyeroll:

  276. [276] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ohio cops seen racing towards gunfire in Dayton to stop gunman

    Authorities say Dayton police officers 'neutralized the shooter' 30 seconds after the first shots were fired; reaction from the 'Fox & Friends' law enforcement panel.
    http://www.foxnews.com

    That's what GOOD GUYS WITH A GUN do.. While everyone else is running AWAY from the danger, good guys with guns run TOWARD the danger..

    So much for the claim that it's a "myth"...

    :eyeroll:

  277. [277] 
    neilm wrote:

    President Trump reacted on Monday morning on Twitter: “China dropped the price of their currency to an almost a historic low. It’s called ‘currency manipulation.’ Are you listening Federal Reserve? This is a major violation which will greatly weaken China over time!”

    Oh, bloody hell, doesn't this clown realize when he is doing China's job for them.

    The Dow is down 500 in early trading, but if the Fed reacts then Trump has effectively joined the Chinese Politburo Standing Committee.

  278. [278] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oh, bloody hell, doesn't this clown realize when he is doing China's job for them.

    The Dow is down 500 in early trading, but if the Fed reacts then Trump has effectively joined the Chinese Politburo Standing Committee.

    Yea.. That's your CLAIM, Neil..

    But you have ALWAYS been wrong...

  279. [279] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump calls for mental health and gun reforms, streamlined executions of mass killers

    Trump condemns ‘white supremacy,’ calls for mental health and gun reforms after double mass shootings
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-shootings-remarks

    The man with the plan...

    How many Democrats will support it??

    I am betting ZERO...

  280. [280] 
    Michale wrote:

    President Trump called Monday for reforms at the intersection of mental health and gun laws -- including so-called "red flag laws" to take guns from those deemed a public risk -- in the wake of back-to-back mass shootings over the weekend that left at least 29 people dead.

    “Our nation is overcome with shock, horror and sorrow,” Trump said, in solemn remarks from the White House. “We are outraged and sickened by this monstrous evil.”

    In unequivocal terms, the president also condemned white supremacy, responding to reports that the shooter in El Paso wrote a racist manifesto.

    "In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy,” Trump said, standing beside Vice President Pence. “These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hatred has no place in America.”

    I am betting everyone here will argue and condemn President Trump for these statements..

  281. [281] 
    Michale wrote:

    Right on schedule, Spartacus (AKK Booker) spews bullshit.

    The president is weak. And wrong.

    White supremacy is not a mental illness, and guns are a tool that white supremacists use to fulfill their hate.

    Apparently, the gun was the tool that let Warren supporter fulfill his hate..

    Funny how Booker (AKA MORON) ignores that fact...

  282. [282] 
    neilm wrote:

    "Do something" chants interrupt Ohio Republican Governor Mike DeWine.

    Fat chance. Campaign $$$ and the NRA are more important than American children.

  283. [283] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Do something" chants interrupt Ohio Republican Governor Mike DeWine.

    Fat chance. Campaign $$$ and the NRA are more important than American children.

    What would you have Gov Devine do??

    Funny how you shut up when confronted with an actual course of action...

    :D

  284. [284] 
    Paula wrote:

    My goodness. Had a family reunion and related events that kept me offline all weekend. I heard the news in a distant way about the shootings, etc.

    Here's a link: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/the-ravages-of-trump-violent-attacks-carried-out-in-his-name

    TPM found some two dozen cases where the perpetrators or planners of far-right violence invoked Trump during their assault, or claimed whatever violent action they intended to commit was somehow aligned with his agenda.

    Separately neilm's response to Comrade Michale's trolling is interesting!

  285. [285] 
    Michale wrote:

    Fat chance. Campaign $$$ and the NRA are more important than American children.

    In the aftermath of the Sandy Hook massacre, Democrats had a virtual lock on the government, it was Democrats who shot down anti-gun legislation..

    Funny how you don't condemn Democrats, eh??

    Simply proves that, for you, Party loyalty is more important than American children...

  286. [286] 
    Michale wrote:

    Separately neilm's response to Comrade Michale's trolling is interesting!

    And once again, Schizo-Paula just CAN'T help but talk about me.. :D

    Thanx for the free space in yer had, sicko... It's empty so I have plenty of room.. :D

  287. [287] 
    Michale wrote:

    TPM found some two dozen cases where the perpetrators or planners of far-right violence invoked Trump during their assault, or claimed whatever violent action they intended to commit was somehow aligned with his agenda.

    And the Dayton shooter was aligned with Warren's agenda..

    Funny how you don't want to talk about that, eh??

    Hell, even the El Paso shooter was pushing Democrat agenda..

  288. [288] 
    Michale wrote:

    Once again, I am simply gabberflasted how people "ignore" me here.. :D

    PWNED

  289. [289] 
    Patrick wrote:

    So Trump condemns racism, bigotry and white supremacy.

    There goes his whole base.

  290. [290] 
    Michale wrote:

    So Trump condemns racism, bigotry and white supremacy.

    There goes his whole base.

    Whatever you have to tell yerself to sleep at night.. :D

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    President Trump has *ALWAYS* condemned racism and bigotry and white supremacy..

    It's just you bigoted and racist Dumbocrats are too stoopid to realize it..

    :eyeroll: moron..

  291. [291] 
    Paula wrote:

    Looks like 8chan is going dark. It's been dropped by some carriers - don't know if it's fully dead yet.

  292. [292] 
    Michale wrote:


    So Trump condemns racism, bigotry and white supremacy.

    Once again.. Proof positive that every one here reads my comments faithfully..

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    PWNED!!! :D

  293. [293] 
    Michale wrote:

    I guess the luser no-job Dumbocrats are starting to pull themselves out of bed.. :D

  294. [294] 
    neilm wrote:

    Patrick [289]

    Trump condemns racism, bigotry and white supremacy.

    Until his next rally.

  295. [295] 
    Michale wrote:

    Until his next rally.

    Facts to support??

    None??

    Figgers...

    :eyeroll:

  296. [296] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hell, you people can't even explain why President Trump's factual tweets about Baltimore are "racist"..

    That's a constant amongst ya'all.

    You NEVER have any facts to support your bullshit claims..

  297. [297] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Run away now.. Oh go on now, run away..."
    -Ernie Hudson, CONGO

    heh

  298. [298] 
    Michale wrote:

    Another Democrat bigot..

    McDonald's employee fired for allegedly refusing to serve paramedics, or 'anyone with a badge'
    https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/mcdonalds-employee-fired-refusing-service-paramedic

  299. [299] 
    Paula wrote:

    Yay Beto for straight up saying to media: "what the fuck?"

  300. [300] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yay Beto for straight up saying to media: "what the fuck?"

    Who???

    Oh the guy who is pulling less than a percent who wants to use the bodies of innocent victims to pull up his flagging campaign??

    Yea... "YAY"

    :eyeroll: moron..

  301. [301] 
    Paula wrote:

    Also of note:

    FBI agents are reluctant to pursue white nationalist extremists because they don't want to target Trump's base, former counterterrorism official say

    https://www.insider.com/ex-fbi-boss-agents-dont-want-to-target-trump-base-2019-8

    We are being held hostage by Blotus deplorables.

  302. [302] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's around noon, Paula..

    Bout time for yer meds... :^/

  303. [303] 
    Michale wrote:

    We are being held hostage by Blotus deplorables.

    Says the bimbo who won't condemn the Warren supporter shooter... Or the Bernie supporter shooter...

    :eyeroll: moron..

  304. [304] 
    Michale wrote:

    FBI agents are reluctant to pursue white nationalist extremists because they don't want to target Trump's base, former counterterrorism official say

    If factually accurate, then I would say their judgement is totally FRAKED...

    And, as such, they cannot be trusted in ANYTHING they say...

  305. [305] 
    Michale wrote:

    My goodness. Had a family reunion and related events that kept me offline all weekend. I heard the news in a distant way about the shootings, etc.

    Translation: I was in the looney bin lockup for a weekend 'cuz I wigged out...

    Just keepin' it real....

  306. [306] 
    Paula wrote:

    CNN's @brianstelter tweeted:
    "We asked 50 GOP lawmakers, 50, just to come on the air and talk about the issue," @JimSciutto says.@RepTedYoho
    said yes. @CNNNewsroom ran the names of the other 49 on screen.

    Brave Repubs ducking having to discuss guns & DJT & white supremacy.

  307. [307] 
    Michale wrote:

    Brave Repubs ducking having to discuss guns & DJT & white supremacy.

    As opposed to each and every Dumbocrat afraid to go on Fox News...

    What's yer point???

  308. [308] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's hilarious how everyone here doesn't want to talk about the Warren supporter who shot up Dayton..

    Which proves ya'all don't really care about mass shootings if ya can't hang it around the neck of President Trump..

    #pathetic

  309. [309] 
    Michale wrote:

    So Trump condemns racism, bigotry and white supremacy.

    There goes his whole base.

    Like I have always said..

    President Trump does the right thing and ya'all STILL attack him for it..

    There is simply no pleasing those who suffer from HHPTDS....

    Thank ya'all for proving me factually accurate..

    AGAIN....

  310. [310] 
    Michale wrote:

    Rex Murphy: There's no hypocrite like a rich, jet-setting anti-global-warming one

    The official count of private jets wafting into Palermo for the 'great consult' stands at 114, for a maximum of 300 attending — three per jet

    Today’s text is from the Gospel of Matthew, KJV: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.

    Every issue has its hypocrites, those who preach the cause but act its opposite.

    But there is no issue on this orbiting Earth, nor has there even been, that has the burden and depth, the volume and intensity of the rawest hypocrisy — that burns on the flames of hypocrisy itself — as that of global warming.
    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-theres-no-hypocrite-like-a-rich-jet-setting-anti-global-warming-one

    Democrats may not have invented hypocrisy..

    But they sure as hell perfected it..

  311. [311] 
    Paula wrote:

    Blotus apparently read "Toledo" on the teleprompter - a stupid error made by whoever wrote the comments compounded by Blotus mindlessly reading the comments. (I seem to remember Obama being dissed mightily by rightwing morons for using teleprompters. Naturally they don't mind a bit that Blotus does.) Of course, maybe a resister wrote the comments & Blotus read them as a way of showing Blotus doesn't have a clue about actual events.

    Either way, the ship has sailed on Blotus being able to offer condolences to the county about anything. It doesn't matter what the message is - the messenger is too tainted and devoid of credibility.

    Meanwhile, on a sad note, apparently Joe Biden's initial remarks placed the shooting in Houston and Michigan. Senior moment.

  312. [312] 
    Michale wrote:

    Blotus apparently read "Toledo" on the teleprompter - a stupid error made by whoever wrote the comments compounded by Blotus mindlessly reading the comments.

    Confusion: Biden offers sympathy for the ‘tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan’

    "You really are a sad simple creature, aren't you?"
    -Bartleby, DOGMA

    Meanwhile, on a sad note, apparently Joe Biden's initial remarks placed the shooting in Houston and Michigan. Senior moment.

    So, the guy with a -D after his name gets a pass..

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Total Party slavery.. :eyeroll:

  313. [313] 
    Michale wrote:

    Either way, the ship has sailed on Blotus being able to offer condolences to the county about anything. It doesn't matter what the message is - the messenger is too tainted and devoid of credibility.

    Says you...

    But you are nothing but a Trump/America hater so what you say is not relevant..

  314. [314] 
    Michale wrote:
  315. [315] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    ' How did that Russia Collusion Delusion work out for you???'

    Really good. Your man's a traitor. He actively strove for outside help to glean 80,000 or so votes to subvert your vaunted democracy. You know this better than me.

    As for my mother, she's was a Professor Emeritus in both English and History. She was someone who would have considered you a 'drain on the collective experience.' You contribute nothing to the human event, and therefore shouldn't be included in any debate of consequence.
    Shit, I wouldn't let you chose from the menu McDonalds, let alone have a say in anything remotely significant.

    You're a proven Bogun, Michale.

    Spamming this place is just idiotic...Go buy a gun, or pray or something, do what ever you think will help.

    LL&P

  316. [316] 
    neilm wrote:

    Who was it that said:

    "Trade wars are good and easy to win"?

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/969525362580484098?lang=en

    Oh, yeah. That clown.

  317. [317] 
    Michale wrote:

    Really good. Your man's a traitor.

    In other words, you are still deluded..

    Mueller totally exonerated President Trump on Russia Collusion..

    He actively strove for outside help to glean 80,000 or so votes to subvert your vaunted democracy.

    Even if that were factually accurate, it's still not a crime..

    Judge says so.. :D

    Spamming this place is just idiotic...

    And yet.. here you are... Idiot.. :D

  318. [318] 
    Michale wrote:

    Go buy a gun,

    I have several.. You want to threaten me with a real life meet, like others have???

    No???

    Of course ya don't..

  319. [319] 
    Michale wrote:

    And for those who claim that the US has the most mass shootings in the world???

    How a Botched Study Fooled the World About the U.S. Share of Mass Public Shootings: U.S. Rate is Lower than Global Average
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3238736

    That bullshit has already been de-bunked...

  320. [320] 
    Michale wrote:

    And for those morons who claim that a "good guy with a gun that saves lives" is a myth???

    A good guy with a gun has saved many lives in Florida – something the media rarely report
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/a-good-guy-with-a-gun-has-saved-many-lives-in-florida-something-the-media-rarely-report

    The FACTS say different...

  321. [321] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Let me get this straight.. You want a guy you have been calling "HITLER" for the last 3 years, you want THAT guy to take away everyone's guns!??"
    -Democrat "Logic"

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4eb028da164b581affc2f42baf58a580f789f09d4019460f6d0a06fe277d9a05.jpg?w=800&h=229

  322. [322] 
    Paula wrote:

    Now coming out - appears the word was "Ohio" on the teleprompter - with no city specified. Blotus filled in "Toledo" - probably coz he had his klan rally there last week.

  323. [323] 
    Michale wrote:

    Now coming out - appears the word was "Ohio" on the teleprompter - with no city specified. Blotus filled in "Toledo" - probably coz he had his klan rally there last week.

    Facts to support??

    No?? Of course not..

  324. [324] 
    Michale wrote:

    Did you take yer meds, Paula?? You seem a tad more hysterical than normal...

    Just sayin'.... :D

  325. [325] 
    neilm wrote:

    FYI - one little spin off of the spam free program is some stats:

    Here are last weeks:

    Article http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/08/02/ftp536/: Spam: 213 of 324 (65 %)
    Article http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/08/01/throwdown-in-motown-part-2/: Spam: 134 of 166 (80 %)
    Article http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/07/31/throwdown-in-motown-part-1/: Spam: 108 of 146 (73 %)
    Article http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/07/30/states-rights-on-elections-cuts-both-ways/: Spam: 63 of 95 (66 %)
    Article http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/07/29/second-debate-prep/: Spam: 75 of 119 (63 %)

  326. [326] 
    neilm wrote:

    FYI - one little spin off of the spam free program is some stats:

    Here are last weeks:

    Friday Talking Points -- Judging The Fire In The Belly - Spam: 213 of 324 (65 %)
    Throwdown In Motown (Part 2) - Spam: 134 of 166 (80 %)
    Throwdown In Motown (Part 1) - Spam: 108 of 146 (73 %)
    "States' Rights" On Elections Cuts Both Ways - Spam: 63 of 95 (66 %)
    Second Debate Prep - Spam: 75 of 119 (63 %)

  327. [327] 
    Michale wrote:

    Friday Talking Points -- Judging The Fire In The Belly - Spam: 213 of 324 (65 %)
    Throwdown In Motown (Part 2) - Spam: 134 of 166 (80 %)
    Throwdown In Motown (Part 1) - Spam: 108 of 146 (73 %)
    "States' Rights" On Elections Cuts Both Ways - Spam: 63 of 95 (66 %)
    Second Debate Prep - Spam: 75 of 119 (63 %)

    Yunno, Neil..

    For someone who claims to ignore me, you expend an AWFUL lot of effort stalking me and paying attention to everything I say... :D

    It's funny because all your stats show is that I have tons more GOOD Trump/America facts... :D

    Which is what I told ya before..

    But continue to follow me... :D

    It amuses me..

  328. [328] 
    Michale wrote:

    But continue to follow me... :D

    It amuses me..

    Hell, I think I might post MORE good President Trump/America comments to pad my stats... :D

  329. [329] 
    Michale wrote:

    Barack Obama attacks Donald Trump's rhetoric in wake of El Paso and Dayton mass shootings calling for leaders to end 'language that normalizes racist sentiments' and tells Americans to ditch politicians who demonize immigrants
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7324085/Obama-slaps-Trump-rhetoric-normalizes-racist-anti-immigration-sentiments.html

    Odumbo is just being pissy because all the Dim candidates are attacking him and his policies.... :D

    And, Odumbo is, of course, full of shit..

    NO ONE demonizes immigrants...

    Only Crimmigrants are demonized.. Yunno.. The ones who kill and rape Americans???

    Something ya'all claim to be against, yet you never speak out against it..

    Funny how that is, eh? :eyeroll:

  330. [330] 
    Michale wrote:

    In the wake of the Dayton and El Paso shootings, Obama said 'it's time' for Americans of every race to 'clearly and unequivocally' reject hateful rhetoric

    Except no one here condemns the hateful rhetoric coming from the Left that prompted the Dayton rampage...

  331. [331] 
    Michale wrote:

    We are not helpless here. And until all of us stand up and insist on holding public officials accountable for changing our gun laws, these tragedies will keep happening,' he said of the environment that has allowed mass casualties to occur.

    You mean, like holding Odumbo accountable when his gun ban FAILED after Sandy Hook.. Because of DEMOCRATS!!???

    Funny how the luser doesn't want to take responsibility for his failure...

  332. [332] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hay Neil,

    Lemme know when I get to 80%, K??

    Yer a peach..

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  333. [333] 
    neilm wrote:

    If you want to run the spam stats yourselves:

    http://www.neilmcgovern.com/cw/spamcount.php

  334. [334] 
    Paula wrote:

    [332]neilm: how does your filter work?

  335. [335] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm
    237

    Republican thinking:

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hliWbCdCsCo/XUc8TlvCXAI/AAAAAAAAglE/PU1aHhGJeeYlt3zfuGm9zSz

    Exactly! Republicans/Tea Party/Trump Trash can't seem to grasp the simple fact that their violence is no different than anyone else's. Domestic terrorism is on the rise and being fueled by their ever-present fear and hatred of "others." Sickening.

  336. [336] 
    Paula wrote:

    [334] Kick: Yep.

  337. [337] 
    neilm wrote:

    Paula [334]

    Use this link:

    http://www.neilmcgovern.com/cw/spamfree.php

  338. [338] 
    Kick wrote:

    Paula
    322

    Now coming out - appears the word was "Ohio" on the teleprompter - with no city specified. Blotus filled in "Toledo" - probably coz he had his klan rally there last week.

    A Reuters photographer captured it:

    https://tinyurl.com/y5focgd4

    As evidenced by the photo, Trump was either ignorant or blind or both on this one.

    Of course, Trump blamed a faulty teleprompter when he claimed Revolutionary war soldiers "took over the airports." He later claimed he "knew the speech very well" and was able to deliver it without the prompter. So without that teleprompter it was hard for Poor Donald to remember there were no airports in 1775.

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