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Friday Talking Points [498] -- Remembering John McCain, Good And Bad

[ Posted Friday, August 31st, 2018 – 17:19 PDT ]

We have to begin today, sadly, by speaking ill of the dead. However, we do so respectfully (unlike some other folks have done this week). We fully realize it is a serious breach of etiquette, but in all the laudatory remarks given this week about the late Senator John McCain, there has been one glaring omission. Because, more than anyone else, John McCain is responsible for regularizing the concept that a know-nothing could be considered presidential. Some might push the blame back further, to George H. W. Bush, who selected Dan Quayle as his vice president, but McCain certainly shoulders the lion's share of this blame for deciding that Sarah Palin was qualified to be president. Anyone listening to her speak for more than two minutes could easily tell how misguided the idea of her running the country truly was, after all. And yet McCain went ahead and selected her anyway.

Palin won't be at John McCain's funeral, since she was on the short list of people "disinvited" by McCain and his family. This list also included President Donald Trump and Steve Schmidt, McCain's former campaign manager. Several other former McCain aides were likewise excluded from the ceremonies. This avoids having any reminder of the McCain/Palin ticket on television screens, but no one should forget that just being a "maverick" isn't always such a good thing. If Palin hadn't been elevated to the national political stage, it is debatable whether Donald Trump would be where he is today. The Republican Party had to go out of its way to defend Palin as a candidate, and by doing so seriously weakened the concept of who should and who should not be considered presidential material by the public. So while we are not detracting from all the good things John McCain accomplished during his extraordinary life of public service, we do feel it necessary to point out that we're still living with the fallout from what was quite possibly his biggest mistake ever.

But we are where we are, and we've got to live with it. This week, President Donald Trump continued his bull-in-a-china-shop presidency by seriously disrespecting veterans everywhere. The White House flag was lowered to half-staff for only a single day in honor of John McCain, and then was flying high again Monday morning. By the afternoon, the howls of outrage (the most potent coming from large veterans' organizations) had finally shamed Trump into lowering the White House flag again, and Trump finally put out a formal statement of condolence for McCain. When asked about the gaffe later, Trump insisted he had not bungled his response: "No, I don't think I did at all. I've done everything that they requested and no, I don't think I have at all." That's how he started the week. Trump finished the week by pushing for a federal workers' wage freeze, to launch the Labor Day weekend. Nice timing, you've got to admit.

Astonishingly enough, though, Trump didn't even win the "most insensitive response to McCain's death" award this week, because Kelli Ward's response to McCain was far more self-centered than even Trump could manage. When the McCain family announced that the senator was ending his medical treatment -- a sign that his death was imminent -- Ward accused McCain of purposely scheduling his statement to conflict with her own campaign bus tour. No, seriously. Ward was running for the GOP nomination to fill Jeff Flake's seat, and was setting out on a last-weekend tour of Arizona to drum up support. Hours after Ward's statement, McCain died. But she wasn't content with that -- she then tweeted: "Political correctness is like a cancer!" two days after McCain had died of brain cancer.

Thankfully enough for us all, Kelli Ward lost her primary Tuesday night. Badly.

The most bizarre fight over McCain's legacy, though, came from an unexpected place. The Senate is considering renaming one of its office buildings for McCain. It is currently named for a Democrat. So you might think the GOP would be the ones pushing this change, and the Democrats would be opposing it. Instead, the positions are (astonishingly) reversed. Chuck Schumer is the one pushing the idea, and Republicans are the ones opposing it. Go figure! This led to one of the most self-contradictory statements we think we've ever heard from a politician, as Judiciary Committee Chair Charles Grassley tried to explain his position: "I think I'd be in favor of naming almost any building for McCain, but I'm not sure that I want to make a decision on a specific building at this point." Got that? He's so sure he'd be in favor of naming "almost any building" for McCain, but at the same time doesn't want to name any specific building after him. Makes the head spin, doesn't it?

Trump spent much of the week focused on another of his perceived enemies, Jeff Sessions. Apparently Trump has been personally calling up GOP senators (any of them who will listen, reportedly) to lobby them for their support for him to fire Sessions. Oh, and also per Politico, Trump's also been dissing Sessions's Southern accent (he "talks like he has marbles in his mouth"). Bet that'll go down well with all his voters in the South!

Trump also took the time to warn some religious leaders that Democrats, should they take back the House, "will overturn everything that we've done, and they'll do it quickly and violently, and violently. There's violence. When you look at Antifa, and you look at some of these groups -- these are violent people."

Got that? If Democrats win, they're going to get violent, because every Democrat elected to the House is a member of Antifa, or something. It's hard to tell what, exactly, was traipsing through Trump's mind when he said this. After all, violent protest usually happens from the side that loses an election, right? Why in the world would the winners get violent? It just boggles the mind.

Other Trump delusions in the news: even though the death toll in Puerto Rico from Hurricane Maria was officially set at almost 3,000 -- a number far higher than the death toll from Katrina -- Trump still thinks he did a great job there: "I think we did a fantastic job." Um, yeah, heckuva job there, Brownie.

Let's see, what else? The president essentially fired White House Counsel Don McGahn this week by tweet, even though McGahn had never discussed when he'd leave with Trump. McGahn's reaction to getting booted by presidential tweet was priceless: "Of course it happened this way."

Keeping up with the guilty pleas: this week W. Samuel Patten, an American citizen, pleaded guilty of failing to register as a foreign agent as he revealed in court that he steered $50,000 from a Ukrainian politician to Trump's inaugural committee, illegally. Patten is now cooperating with Bob Mueller's team of investigators. So while foreign money has not yet -- yet, mind you -- been tied to Trump's campaign, it now has indeed been tied to his inauguration.

And one last thing for Trump to look forward to: Bob Woodward's book on the Trump administration is days away from being publicly released. From his tweets, Trump already seems a bit worried about what will be in it. Woodward is not a former disgruntled Trump administration employee, and neither is he a partisan with an axe to grind. He's a reporter of the White House, which he's been doing for decades. So whatever he's got to say is going to carry more weight than any of the other books so far released on the Trump presidency. No wonder Trump's scared.

Finally, we have to close this week on two stories about legal limbo. A three-judge panel ruled this week that North Carolina had illegally gerrymandered its House districts, and "it may require new districts before the November elections." But we're only a little over two months out from the elections, which does not give much time at all to draw up a new map. Also, the candidates for all the districts have already been nominated by voters in the current districts, which is kind of a dubious way for an election to happen. This case could wind up in front of the Supreme Court, which will not have much time at all to decide what to do.

And, sadly, it was reported this week that the federal government still has 497 children in custody, even though it had a deadline of five weeks ago to reunite all families which had been forcibly separated at the U.S. border. The mainstream media has gotten bored with the story, but the misery still continues on a heartbreaking scale.

 

Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week

First we have some old business to note. The Democratic National Committee this week followed through on a plan we've handed out previous MIDOTW awards for, by voting unanimously to adopt new rules for convention superdelegates. The compromise reached was an elegant one, as we've pointed out previously, because while it will allow superdelegates to be able to cast their vote for the presidential nominee at the Democratic National Convention, the possibility of their votes prejudging the outcome is now gone. If no candidate gets a winning majority on the first ballot round, then superdelegates will not vote in that round. They can vote in the second round, if this takes place, but by making this change the superdelegates' votes will never be the deciding factor during the primary season. So it was good to see the D.N.C. unanimously adopt these changes, for the health of the party.

We have at least one Honorable Mention this week, after Joe Biden gave an extremely moving speech memorializing his friend John McCain. Biden spoke quite movingly in Arizona, and it was clear the two men shared a real friendship over the years.

Here are just a few short excerpts from his remarks:

We both knew then from our different experiences... that there are times when life can be so cruel -- pain so blinding, it's hard to see anything else. The disease that took John's life, took our mutual friend Teddy [Kennedy]'s life nine years ago, and three years ago, it took my beautiful son Beau's life.

It's brutal, it's relentless, it's unforgiving. And it takes so much from those we love and the families who love them that in order to survive, we have to remember how they lived, not how they died.

. . .

John believed so deeply and passionately in the soul of America. His faith in the core values of this nation made them somehow feel it more genuinely themselves. His conviction that we as a country would never walk away from the sacrifices generations of Americans have made to defend liberty and dignity around the world it made Americans proud of themselves. His belief -- and it was deep -- that Americans can do anything, withstand anything, achieve anything was both unflagging and ultimately reassuring.

There will doubtless be other memorial speeches given that also deserve praise, throughout the weekend. But Biden's really stood out at the start of the funeral process. Joe Biden is one of the most authentic political speakers around, and he rose to the occasion this week.

But our two Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week awards this week go out to the winners of the gubernatorial Democratic primaries in Florida and Arizona. Both Andrew Gillum in Florida and David Garcia in Arizona are progressive candidates who will have the chance to prove the theory that running a full-throated liberal is better than running a milquetoast moderate Democrat in swing states. Candidates that stand for something concrete can excite voters in a way that someone who cautiously hedges their way through a campaign cannot, in other words.

Nominating an African-American and a Latino for important governor's races also sends a big message of inclusivity for Democrats as well. Running candidates of color means doing more than just offering lip service to minorities, to put this another way. Both Andrew Gillum and Garcia beat out more establishment, middle-of-the-road candidates, and their victories are being celebrated by progressives across the country.

We have no idea what their chances will be in November, but this week David Garcia and Andrew Gillum were easily the choice for the Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week award. Congratulations, and good luck in the general election!

[As a rule, we do not link to candidates' websites during a campaign, so you'll have to look up contact information for David Garcia and Andrew Gillum yourself, if you'd like to let them know you appreciate their efforts.]

 

Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer cut a deal this week, to allow the confirmation of 15 more Trump appointees to the federal bench. He cut this deal to allow his fellow Democrats a nice long weekend to return home and campaign.

Here are the sordid details:

Senate Democrats just gave a huge gift to President Donald Trump: They agreed to expedite votes on 15 of his nominees to lifetime federal court seats because they wanted to go home.

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) had lined up votes for all those district court nominees last week. Normally, Senate rules require up to 30 hours of waiting time for each nominee -- something Democrats typically take advantage of to delay action on confirming Trump judges. But Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) cut a deal with McConnell on Tuesday to bypass the wait times and let them all get through.

Why? So Democrats could get back to campaigning and focusing on winning re-election in November. The Senate is now out of session until next Tuesday.

One of Schumer's own former aides was quoted in response to this move:

"Trading this many lifetime positions away for a couple days back home in the dead of August is a metaphor for how myopic the Democrats' approach has been at this dark moment in history," said Brian Fallon, who, awkwardly, was previously Schumer's chief spokesperson. He is now the executive director of Demand Justice, a progressive judicial advocacy group.

"An entire branch of government is being lost for generations, and Senate Democrats are willfully blind to it," Fallon said. "In the coming months and years, these same Democrats will issue outraged statements about the rulings issued by the very judges that they could not be bothered to try to slow down. It is pathetic."

We tend to agree. Now, we do realize that McConnell is playing political games here -- he kept the Senate in session in August rather than allow them all to go home to campaign, because he thought it would give Republican candidates an edge for November, and he scheduled all these confirmations for these weeks on purpose. And we also realize that threatening loss of vacation time is a rather long tradition for Senate leaders (Harry Reid used this tactic masterfully, it must be said). But even so, these are lifetime appointments and this is a serious matter.

For cutting such a deal for only a few days off, Schumer has to be seen as this week's Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week. It's hard to argue on the campaign trail that you should be elected to be a brake on Donald Trump when you just gave that leverage away, to state what should be painfully obvious.

[Contact Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on his Senate contact page, to let him know what you think of his actions.]

 

Friday Talking Points

Volume 498 (8/31/18)

OK, we've got a lively bunch of talking points this week. We have to admit, we've been missing the late night comedy shows (which have all been on vacation for the past two weeks), because we would love to hear their take on everything that's been happening -- especially that photo of Trump coloring a flag.

But we're getting ahead of ourselves. Let's take things one at a time, from the top.

 

1
   Happy Labor Day!

Simply unbelievable.

"President Trump, in the run-up to Labor Day, decided that all federal workers (except the military) should not receive a pay raise this year. He's going to freeze federal pay across the board just before the holiday where we celebrate workers. David Axelrod probably had the best response to this move, tweeting: 'To state the obvious, denying federal workers a pay raise because you've lavished a trillion dollars of tax cuts on corporations and the wealthy, creating massive new deficits, is beyond outrageous.' We'd go further, and predict that the Republican Party is giving up all hope of ever winning in Virginia politics in the near future, since so many federal workers live in the Northern Virginia suburbs. The state had already shifted from red to purple, but this sort of thing is going to turn it solid blue, that's my guess."

 

2
   Outsourcing continues apace

Matching the reality with the false rhetoric.

"President Trump promised as a candidate that he'd personally end the practice of jobs being outsourced overseas. However, in the first year and a half of his presidency, he's lost 90,000 jobs per year to outsourcing. The rate for the preceding five years, when Obama was in office? 87,000 jobs per year. That's right -- when you look at the actual facts, Trump has let more jobs go overseas than Barack Obama. I wonder how many people attending Trump's rallies know this fact...."

 

3
   Those darn white supremacists are everywhere

Are we going to get one of these stories every week from now on? We're just asking....

"Last week, a White House speechwriter was fired for having white supremacist ties, to a man that went on to attend a birthday party with Larry Kudlow -- who has not been fired. This week, Ian M. Smith, a political appointee at the Department of Homeland Security, also had to leave after emails of him chatting with prominent white supremacists were uncovered. This is a guy, coincidentally enough, that attended a number of meetings at the White House on the subject of immigration policy. His job was to focus on refugee issues and temporary worker visas. From the story: 'In one email from 2015, Smith responded to a group dinner invitation whose host said his home would be "judenfrei," a German word used by the Nazis [to describe] territory that had been "cleansed" of Jews during the Holocaust.' It's almost like Donald Trump sought out a bunch of white supremacists to work for him, or something. At this point, nobody knows how many others are still employed by Trump, so we'll just have to watch for more announcements of people who pal around with white supremacists leaving the Trump administration to find out."

 

4
   Sad!

OK, it's just one poll, but that's never stopped Trump from bragging, has it?

"The Washington Post just released new poll numbers which show Donald Trump has hit a new high -- for the number of people who disapprove of the job he's been doing. A whopping 60 percent of the public now disapproves of Trump. Other fun numbers from this poll: two-thirds of Americans oppose Trump pardoning Paul Manafort, 63 percent support the Mueller investigation, and 64 percent -- including 47 percent of Republicans -- think Trump should not fire Jeff Sessions. Also, the number of Americans who think Congress should begin impeachment proceedings has hit a new high -- 49 percent. As the president would put it: Sad!"

 

5
   GOP already throwing in the towel

This has got to be the best news of the week for Democrats hoping for a House takeover this November.

"Politico is now reporting that the Republican team in charge of House races is already having to decide which at-risk races are not worth spending money on, because there are so many such races. They're looking at as many as 45 House seats up for grabs, and they've only got so much money to spend, so they're already deciding which ones to essentially cede to the Democrats. This, obviously, is great news for the chances of Democrats taking back the House, since they only need to pick up two dozen seats to do so. And it's only August -- look for the GOP to start pulling out of more and more of these close races as the election gets closer."

 

6
   Trump is an idiot

There's just no other way to put it, folks.

"Donald Trump was photographed this week joining some children in the activity of coloring in a blank outline of a United States flag. While, in the photo, some of the children's coloring failed to stay between the lines (these children look awfully young, I should add), Trump's flag was boldly filled in -- precisely within the lines! The only problem? Trump had colored one stripe on the flag red, and another one blue. While the kids were sloppier, at least they got their colors right. I mean, it's a pretty basic design -- how old do you have to be to color in an American flag correctly? Apparently, it's beyond Trump's ability to do so. Maybe he skipped that day in kindergarten or something...."

 

7
   A truly bad idea

We wrote about this one yesterday in more detail.

"This week it was revealed that the White House has convened a secret committee to coordinate executive agencies in a new effort to propagandize American citizens on the evils of marijuana. They're reportedly collecting scare stories in order to influence the political debate surrounding marijuana legalization efforts in the states. But you know what? I think that ship has already sailed. I think the times when a few 'this is your brain on drugs' ads are going to sway the public in any way are already long gone. Trump's secret weed committee's efforts are doomed to fail. In fact, this November two more states -- Michigan and North Dakota -- will get the chance to vote on recreational legalization. If they join the other states that have already legalized adult use, it will be a clear message to stop spending time and money trying to turn back the inevitable tide. The War On Weed is almost over, but some people still haven't figured this out yet."

-- Chris Weigant

 

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223 Comments on “Friday Talking Points [498] -- Remembering John McCain, Good And Bad”

  1. [1] 
    Kick wrote:

    CW: Palin won't be at John McCain's funeral, since she was on the short list of people "disinvited" by McCain and his family. This list also included President Donald Trump and Steve Schmidt, McCain's former campaign manager.

    It was Steve Schmidt who over vigorous objection finally managed to convince John McCain to pick Sarah Palin as his running mate. McCain's choice was Joe Lieberman. Regardless, McCain did make the ultimate decision. Pity.

  2. [2] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    as i recall, CW proposed palin as a potential "mavericky" vp pick.

  3. [3] 
    Kick wrote:

    CW: This case could wind up in front of the Supreme Court, which will not have much time at all to decide what to do.

    “I acknowledge freely that this would be a political gerrymander, which is not against the law.” ~ North Carolina Rep. David Lewis, chief GOP official in charge of redistricting

    It seems if you admit to gerrymandering, it thus becomes an easy decision for Courts everywhere.

    Would it surprise anybody if the SCOTUS decided 4-4 on this North Carolina gerrymandering issue and thus the decision remained in place? Me neither, but anything can happen these days, particularly when the "Gerry" admits to the Salamandering. Go figure.

  4. [4] 
    TheStig wrote:

    Funerals are all about a nice sendoff. Trump, Palin and Keating 5 didn't get invitations because they would add unwanted complexity. That's a pity, because McCain was all about complexity. Shakespeare would have loved McCain....think of the soliloquies!

  5. [5] 
    neilm wrote:

    CW: You missed the non-event of the weekend!

    Rudi told us the Mueller investigation was to be wrapped up by September 1st.

    (Michale, how are those "FACTS" working for you, har, har: http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/08/01/arkansas-highpoint-and-gangster-museums/#comment-124064)

    Instead of the investigation being over, we have yet another guilty plea today - this time with Russian money, just adding to the fun.

  6. [6] 
    neilm wrote:

    Michale (8/1/18): But why not just wait until 1 Sep comes around and we'll see whether your "feelies" prevail or whether my FACTS rule the day.. AGAIN.. :D

    Just rubbing it in. Have a great weekend ;)

  7. [7] 
    Kick wrote:

    CW: 6 Trump is an idiot!

    I know, right!? Can you imagine the right-wing nut job conspiracy theorists going into overdrive if Barack Obama had colored in the stripes on the United States flag thusly:

    Red
    White
    White
    Blue
    White
    Brown <--- yes, brown

    and then posted it on the White House YouTube page?

    https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/did-trump-really-color-in-the-american-flag-wrong-1308530243700?v=railb

  8. [8] 
    Kick wrote:

    TS
    4

    Funerals are all about a nice sendoff. Trump, Palin and Keating 5 didn't get invitations because they would add unwanted complexity.

    Keating 5! I see exactly what you did there, TS, and I can't stop laughing. Of course, McCain was one of the Keating 5... pity he couldn't get an invite.

    No disrespect whatsoever, Senator... Fair winds and following seas. :)

  9. [9] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    And, sadly, it was reported this week that the federal government still has 497 children in custody, even though it had a deadline of five weeks ago to reunite all families which had been forcibly separated at the U.S. border. The mainstream media has gotten bored with the story, but the misery still continues on a heartbreaking scale.

    22 of those still being detained by our government are under the age of 5! These children have been separated from their families for up to 6 months — which means the youngest might not even recognize their parents when they are reunited. This policy was inhumane and I pray one day that Jeff Sessions, Stephen Miller, Alex Azar and the P.U.C.C.(President unindicted co-conspirator) face criminal charges for their parts in this tragedy.

  10. [10] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm
    5

    Rudi told us the Mueller investigation was to be wrapped up by September 1st.

    Of 2018? *laughs* Didn't Trump's now-fired lawyers claim that it would be over around Thanksgiving 2017?

    The Trump minions should seriously stop listening to the con artists and defense lawyers. The fact is, if the OSC follows the money in Trump's involvement with Russia, it spans multiple decades from approximately the mid 1980s through the present day. There will be hundreds of indictments spanning well into the future. There are no federal pardons for crimes against the State of New York, and the NYAG has been working with Mueller since inception. As I've said since the outset: People are going to prison... some of them will die there unless they make a deal with the OSC or live a really, really long time.

    Anybody still doesn't believe me can check the guilty pleas and unsealed indictments thus far... and buckle up buttercup. ;)

  11. [11] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    What struck me today were two things I assumed were true, three more I was sure were not un-false and four no brainers.

    I assumed Bill Clinton would slip as easily into what I assumed would be, a Gospel-rich farewell to the Queen, as any self respecting person of colour would seem an awkward fixture at a predictably nervous hurrah for McCain. Hell's bells' Clinton, in his withered way, brought some hood to the speech. His still knows how to sing from the cage Hillary fitted him for, post no-Swallow.

    First of three, no one throws a funeral like the older gospel crowd, I mean...even I wouldn't bang the door of the church down yelling..."ya'll wake the dead with that catawallin"...no, no. The way I see it is, that's what hip-flasks are for. Secondly, Lindsay Graham would win, lose the win again his bollocks all in the same day. And last among the three is how America, despite not really trying, played out what amounted to be, McCain's one wish in life, albeit exactly one heartbeat too late...a seemingly non-partisan end to the week.

    One through four are obvious...Biden, being deliberately presidential, as if for some reason in two years time he'll have to, for four additional years, gave the only speech that could follow his opening sentence. Two...the Crane-necked fella that runs the Senate, his speech came out as it always does to my ears...like a bucket beans out the back end of donkey in the rut. Thirdly and fourth, Trump was as welcome at both national events as a dose of the clap is welcome at an orgy...and lastly, but most assuredly, CNN, now they seem to think he's glued to their every truth, reminded him no less than a dozen times to swerve both places of remembrance, grief and eventual healing. For his place in that environment is akin to that of a German-American draft-dodging fake flag salesman.

  12. [12] 
    Michale wrote:

    Instead of the investigation being over, we have yet another guilty plea today - this time with Russian money, just adding to the fun.

    Which has nothing to do with President Trump OR the election...

    But why let FACTS ruin yer perfectly good HHPTDS psychotic episode..

    Besides, it's 1 Sep TODAY...

    Now, unless there was a guilty plea in the last two hours...

    Yer STILL full of shit.. :D

  13. [13] 
    Michale wrote:

    But, on the plus side, if I am wrong and Bob I LOVE CHILD PORNOGRAPHERS Mueller DOES continue the investigation, then Democrats MUST accuse him of interfering in the election..

    Or else be exposed as the hysterical hypocrites that they are..

    Not that this would be any big revelation to anyone...

    :D

    It's gonna be a fun weekend.. :D

  14. [14] 
    Michale wrote:

    Nafta Crunch Caps a Pretty Dreadful Week for Justin Trudeau

    (Bloomberg) -- This has not been a good week for Justin Trudeau.

    It began with a surprise U.S.-Mexico trade pact that excluded Canada from a Nafta rewrite, sending the prime minister’s negotiating team scrambling to strike a deal ahead of the Trump administration’s deadline. Then a key pipeline he spent billions to nationalize got sideswiped by a court decision, and the most important ally in his climate change plan abandoned him.

    While the 46-year-old leader has had plenty of political stumbles during his first mandate, the events of the last few days are among the heaviest blows Trudeau has taken on core economic files. They come just as his Liberal government prepares to reset its parliamentary agenda going into an election year.

    “The opposition are going to try and paint this as an example of incompetence,” said Robert Bothwell, a professor of Canadian history and international relations at the Munk School of Global Affairs at the University of Toronto.

    Even before this week, Trudeau was having a rough go. The Group of Seven summit he hosted in June, meant to be a showcase of Canada’s global leadership, was blown up by Donald Trump -- prompting questions about his strategy to handle the capricious U.S. president. Decades-old groping allegations surfaced, and a bitter diplomatic spat with Saudi Arabia erupted over a tweet. 4/10
    https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/2018/08/31/nafta-crunch-caps-a-horrible-no-good-very-bad-week-for-trudeau#gs.0YQYz=U

    Awwwwwww Poo' lil Trudy... Had his ass handed to him by President Trump.... :D

    More than once.. :D

    what a disappointment to Canadians...

  15. [15] 
    Michale wrote:

    “It’s very hard for me to see what else Trudeau could have done, except to give Trump the only response he will accept, which is surrender,” Bothwell said.

    Oh snap... :D

  16. [16] 
    Michale wrote:

    We have to begin today, sadly, by speaking ill of the dead.

    It's OK, CW.. He is only a Republican after all...

    I will join you in speaking ill of the dead as well.. She's only a Democrat after all.. :D

    VIDEO: Two people help Hillary up stairs at Aretha Franklin funeral
    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-two-people-help-hillary-up-stairs-at-aretha-franklin-funeral/

    And THIS is the person ya'all wanted as POTUS???

    It's mind-boggling...

    Thank the gods, we go President Trump instead...

  17. [17] 
    John M wrote:

    [16] Michale

    "And THIS is the person ya'all wanted as POTUS???"

    YES

    "It's mind-boggling...

    Thank the gods, we go President Trump instead..."

    It sure is, because even if Hillary were using a WALKER, she would STILL have BOTH MORE BRAINS AND BALLS, than Trump EVER will.

  18. [18] 
    Michale wrote:

    It sure is, because even if Hillary were using a WALKER, she would STILL have BOTH MORE BRAINS AND BALLS, than Trump EVER will.

    That's your opinion and I respect that..

    But it's clear that Hillary would have been 4 more years of Odumbo and this country could not have survived that..

    Admit it, JM... President Trump is doing a better job than you ever thought he could...

    There is soooo much good news for this country and good news for patriotic Americans..

    Don't be a hater.... Haters are downers, man!!

  19. [19] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's become evident that Bernie Sanders — long seen as an outsider within Democratic ranks, too far to the left for its establishment bosses — is now directing the party's future by helping endorse and inspire its next generation of leaders. Eventually, as my colleague David Faris noted a few days ago, this young progressive left will be the party's new establishment.

    Face reality, Neil et al...

    Socialism is "the future" of the Democrat Party..

    And that means the prospects for survival of the Democrat Party are bleak...

  20. [20] 
    Michale wrote:

    Democrats are pouring in funds, feverishly targeting key Republican districts. And, of course, they’re getting plenty of help from the left-wing propaganda machine that is the mainstream media.

    And this same propaganda machine continues to push out the lie that Republicans are hostile to minorities.

    But blacks see and feel the truth. Record low black and Hispanic unemployment rates show the robust economy is reaching all Americans.

    The NAACP’s own polling shows black approval for President Trump at 21 percent, more than three times higher than the percentage of blacks that voted for him in 2016. A Rasmussen poll shows black approval for Trump at an incredible 36 percent.

    Which brings me to a remarkable young man, John James, who, with the endorsement of President Trump, won the Republican primary for the Senate in Michigan. James is a 37-year-old black conservative. A graduate of West Point, he served in Iraq, where he piloted Apache helicopters, and he now runs his family business in Michigan.

    James will run against establishment Democrat Debbie Stabenow, who is looking to capture her fourth term in the Senate. Recent polls show Stabenow with a 15-point advantage. But the race has not yet started, and James could capture this seat. No state was more heavily hit by the assault on manufacturing, by the financial collapse and by Democratic mismanagement, than Michigan. A Republican governor and a focus on prudent fiscal management have turned things around. The Census Bureau reported in 2017 that for the first time since 2001 more people moved into Michigan than left. 6/17
    http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ed/2018/08/michigan_candidate_shows_new_face_of_gop

    Face reality, Weigantians..

    Black American support for the President and the GOP is exploding..

    NAACP's OWN polling shows this... Rasmussen!! 36%!

    It won't take much more of black Americans #Walk{ing}Away from the Democrat Party for the Party to completely self-destruct..

    Because, without black American support, the Democrat Party will no longer be a viable American Political Party...

    The Democrat Party is re-learning a VERY important lesson....

    If you SHIT on the people whose votes you MUST have, you might as well pack it in..

    And the Democrat Party has been shitting on those voters since 2008...

    Why else would the Dumbocrats have been SHELLACKED in 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2016....

    The Democrat Party is toast...

    It's really THAT simple...

  21. [21] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's funny that NO ONE here can address the FACT that black American support for President Trump and the GOP is exploding..

    Almost TRIPLED in the last couple years...

    TWO YEARS.. Support TRIPLED...

    I understand ya'all want to put on a brave face and pretend that ya'all ain't worried...

    But any Democrat who ISN'T worried about exploding black American support for President Trump and the GOP is simply delusional...

  22. [22] 
    Michale wrote:

    Honoring Mollie Tibbetts’s memory with honesty

    And so, when vibrant, young Mollie Tibbetts became our latest sad story, our latest occasion to wonder, “What is going on?,” our latest shuddering projection of our own worst fears for our own daughters, we once again had an opportunity to have an honest, root-cause conversation.

    Instead, politicians and the media immediately focused on the immigration status of her alleged killer. That’s certainly not something to be trivialized or ignored, since it makes her death doubly tragic. But it is still a deflection from the uncomfortable reasons why she and so many others have been killed. The number of predators among us is increasing. Pornography is their jet fuel. A malformed youth is their corrupted operating system. 2/16
    http://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/404303-honoring-mollie-tibbetts-memory-with-honesty

    And your NeverTrump hero, Muller gave a voracious child pornographer NO JAIL TIME, NO RESTITUTION and NO FORFEITURE OF ANY KIND!! Mueller gave this guy house arrest, where this scumbag was free to peruse ALL of the child porn that he was able to hide from investigators..

    THAT is your hero!!????

    My gods, people.. How low will ya'all sink while in the throes of HHPTDS??? Where is your line where you say, "This far!! I will sink NO LOWER!!"???

    I am beginning to think ya'all's hysterical hatred of President Trump knows no depth.. NOTHING is too low for ya'all in ya'all's pursuit to take out President Trump......

    And that's just sad...

  23. [23] 
    Michale wrote:

    I assumed Bill Clinton would slip as easily into what I assumed would be, a Gospel-rich farewell to the Queen, as any self respecting person of colour would seem an awkward fixture at a predictably nervous hurrah for McCain. Hell's bells' Clinton, in his withered way, brought some hood to the speech. His still knows how to sing from the cage Hillary fitted him for, post no-Swallow.

    Your admiration for Clinton, the racist/rapist who oogles the ass of a girl young enough to be his granddaughter, is sooo sooo.... YOU.... :^/

  24. [24] 
    Michale wrote:

    But I guess around Weigantia, expressions of racism don't bother anyone if they emanate from people who have the correct ideology...

    That's what the facts prove anyways...

  25. [25] 
    neilm wrote:

    Treasonous Trump: “I’m dropping in on my way to France”

    Ireland: “Feck off”

  26. [26] 
    neilm wrote:

    Treasonous Trump: “I’m dropping in on my way to France”

    Ireland: “Hey London, can we borrow your balloon?”

  27. [27] 
    neilm wrote:

    Treasonous Trump: “I’m dropping in on my way to France”

    Ireland: “First the Pope, now this eejit - do the pols in Dublin want to get kicked out?”

  28. [28] 
    Michale wrote:

    #25-#27

    Shows nothing buy yer irrational and hysterical hatred towards your President...

    “Hey London, can we borrow your balloon?”

    Sadiq Khan giant balloon: London mayor bikini blimp takes to the skies
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/08/29/21/4F82126200000578-6111795-Yanny_Bruere_28_organiser_of_a_Make_London_Safe_Again_raised_mor-m-46_1535575579564.jpg

    Nice balloon.. :D

    BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  29. [29] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ireland: “First the Pope, now this eejit - do the pols in Dublin want to get kicked out?”

    But... But.... You guys LOVED the pope when he was slapping around President Trump...

    :^/

  30. [30] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Joshua[2],

    Indeed.

  31. [31] 
    Michale wrote:

    And lets not also forget that Palin was one of the most popular governors in the US, beloved by both Democrats and Republicans...

    Just like Donald Trump was once beloved by Democrats and honored for his "life time of service" to the black community...

    Strange (and sad) how political intolerance and hate changes all that... :^/

  32. [32] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    So while we are not detracting from all the good things John McCain accomplished during his extraordinary life of public service …

    Sarah Palin (bad) is worth two non-brief paragraphs while John McCain (good) only half a sentence in a piece remembering Senator McCain, good and bad.

  33. [33] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    If only great eulogies could get Biden elected POTUS … sigh.

  34. [34] 
    Michale wrote:

    If only great eulogies could get Biden elected POTUS … sigh.

    Great oratory got Obama elected POTUS..

    And he gave us President Trump...

    Atropos is a fickle b*tch...

  35. [35] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    The citizens of your country, Michale, gave us President Trump.

    In fact, it was inevitable for quite some time.

  36. [36] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    I never visited Weigantia in Sarah Palin's day, but I find it hard to believe that the Dem/Lib/Woman's Libbers crowd was not enamoured of her nomination, dingbat or not, by the fact that she had no penis, which was obviously her main qualification for earning the nomination.

  37. [37] 
    Michale wrote:

    The citizens of your country, Michale, gave us President Trump.

    But WHY did we give ya'all President Trump??

    Because we were tired of Democrats fraking things up all the time.. Tired of being ignored and stepped on and demonized and attacked..

  38. [38] 
    Michale wrote:

    I never visited Weigantia in Sarah Palin's day, but I find it hard to believe that the Dem/Lib/Woman's Libbers crowd was not enamoured of her nomination, dingbat or not, by the fact that she had no penis, which was obviously her main qualification for earning the nomination.

    She had a -R after her name..

    'nuff said...

  39. [39] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    "Candidates that stand for something concrete can excite voters in a way that someone who cautiously hedges their way through a campaign cannot,..."

    While it is good that the progressive candidates are taking on the establishment candidates and it is inspiring progressives, it will not inspire many potential voters that are not progressives.

    And many potential voters have been disappointed enough times with campaign promises that they need something more concrete than promises to inspire them. You know, the 125 million or so eligible voters that will not vote in 2018.

    What might motivate some of these non-voters to participate would be a candidate that makes a concrete commitment to represent ordinary citizens by financing their campaign only with small contributions.

    And as there are none (or very few) available for most of these citizens on their ballot in November these citizens will not vote in 2018. Not even for a progressive candidate- if they have one on their ballot.

    Isn't nearly 50% of eligible voters deciding to not participate a real problem?

    Wouldn't it be better if some of those citizens participated in One Demand in 2018 instead of not voting to make a demand for candidates to take a concrete stand in 2020 on financing their campaigns only with small contributions?

    Isn't it possible to not only find out if full-throated progressives can win and also find out if some of these other citizens can be motivated?

    What harm would be caused by informing citizens aboot this opportunity and giving them the choice to participate- besides the Establishment Democrat mantra that citizens have no other choice?

  40. [40] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Candidates that stand for something concrete can excite voters in a way that someone who cautiously hedges their way through a campaign cannot,..."

    Hence the election of Donald Trump... :D

  41. [41] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    "It's hard to argue on the campaign trail that you should be elected to be a brake on Donald Trump when you just gave that leverage away,... "

    It's hard to argue on the campaign trail that you will represent ordinary citizens and are an alternative to the Big Money Republicans if you are not financing your campaign only with small contributions from ordinary citizens.

    "...to state what should be painfully obvious."

  42. [42] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    "Hence the election of Donald Trump..."

    Also applies very well to comment 41.

  43. [43] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Though as a response to comment 39 I'm not really sure what is concrete aboot Trump.

    Trump seems more like the paper door in the lab in "The Man with Two Brains".

  44. [44] 
    neilm wrote:
  45. [45] 
    neilm wrote:

    "Candidates that stand for something concrete can excite voters in a way that someone who cautiously hedges their way through a campaign cannot,..."

    Hence the election of Donald Trump... :D

    Oh, really. Well, your own words are going to bite you again.

    I asked you repeatedly what policies and actions you would judge the traitor by and you can up with, and I paraphrase, "be nice to bad cops".

    Just admit it, the one and only reason you voted the way you did was to put up a middle finger to the establishment - stop being a woos and man up.

  46. [46] 
    Michale wrote:

    I asked you repeatedly what policies and actions you would judge the traitor by and you can up with, and I paraphrase, "be nice to bad cops".

    No, you are not paraphrasing. You are putting words into my mouth that I did not say because you didn't like the answer I gave you..

    Just admit it, the one and only reason you voted the way you did was to put up a middle finger to the establishment - stop being a woos and man up.

    It wasn't my ONLY reason, but it was a REALLY nice bonus... :D

    My BIGGEST reason for voting for Trump is I knew this country could not survive 4 more years of Odumbo/Dumbocrat rule...

  47. [47] 
    Michale wrote:

    President Trump,

    Americans Are Grilling More Steaks for Labor Day With the Economy Humming
    https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/2018/08/31/americans-are-grilling-more-steaks-for-labor-day-as-economy-hums#gs.K1f8008

    Making America STEAK Again :D

  48. [48] 
    Michale wrote:

    President Trump

    Boom Times: 83% execs say business is better, 76% see more growth
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/boom-times-83-execs-say-business-is-better-76-see-more-growth

    Making America GREAT Again

    :D

  49. [49] 
    neilm wrote:

    Reality Check Time:

    BashiBazouk, Sept 3rd, 2008

    Michale-

    You love putting words in to peoples mouths they did not speak.

    Some things never change.

  50. [50] 
    neilm wrote:

    Treasonous Trump: “I’m dropping in on my way to France”

    Ireland: Dear Mr. Mueller,

    Please lock that dirty rotten pussy grabbing racist cheeto up before November.

    Love
    Ireland

    https://twitter.com/GinaBo/status/1035628128943652864

  51. [51] 
    Michale wrote:

    One of the owners of the restaurant was lobbyist Adam Corey, who once served as Gillum's campaign treasurer and has known him since college. Gillum says he has talked to the FBI and that he is not the target of an investigation. He also has told local news outlets that he has broken off his friendship with Corey.

    As the investigation has moved along, The Tallahassee Democrat has done a series of stories delving into the web of connections and has reported that Gillum vacationed at a luxury resort in Costa Rica in May 2016 with Corey and another investor in The Edison who is also a Gillum donor and campaign supporter. During that trip, Corey set up a meeting between Gillum and the FBI undercover agents. Local media have also reported on a trip Gillum took to New York where he also met with Corey and undercover agents and attended a showing of the Broadway show "Hamilton." Both the New York and Costa Rica trips are now being probed by Florida's ethics commission after a local businessman filed complaints against Gillum.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/floridas-democratic-gubernatorial-candidate-under-attack-123123793--election.html

    Corruption is perfectly acceptable, if the person in question has a -D after their name.. :^/

    Gollum is hip deep in corruption...

  52. [52] 
    neilm wrote:

    Treasonous Trump: “I’m dropping in on my way to France”

    Ireland: "Can we not all just come together and make this the land of a hundred thousand feck offs"

    Ireland: "The pope was unwelcome but trump is despised."

    Irelan: "That wasn't an earthquake in Ireland. It's just an expletive explosion as the nation hears that Trump is planning a visit."

    And, of course:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1035632509076295687

  53. [53] 
    Michale wrote:

    Out of respect for Mrs Grand Poobah, I will refrain from responding.

    Nice try, Neil.. Almost had me.. :D

  54. [54] 
    Michale wrote:

    How bad have the Dumbocrats gotten??

    California Democrats Boycott Of In-N-Out Backfires Spectacularly
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-31/california-liberals-draw-line-refuse-boycott-n-out-after-democratic-official-goes

    They can't even manage a boycott anymore!!! :D

  55. [55] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @liz,

    any idea which column it was? must have been sometime soon after mccain clinched the nomination. i couldn't find it when i looked.

    @CRS,

    see the article referenced above, if you can find it.

    @russ,

    yes, it's the kind of episode that you'd have to have ice in your blood not to be upset about. thinking of my own seven month old in the next room, i'm tearing up a bit just typing this. for those like rudy giuliani who don't recognize the difference, failing to properly safeguard eight top secret e-mail chains by using the wrong kind of server is "EXTREMELY CARELESS." separating and detaining thousands of children from parents who have not been convicted of any crime, and THEN not bothering to keep ANY form fo detailed records to reunite them, *****THAT***** is GROSS NEGLIGENCE.

    [/rant]

    JL

  56. [56] 
    Michale wrote:

    separating and detaining thousands of children from parents who have not been convicted of any crime,

    You DO realize that *THAT* happens a thousand times a day, all across America, right??? I have even done it myself more times than I can remember..

    But I guess when it's all about politics, it's easy to get yerself all worked up and indignant... :^/

  57. [57] 
    Michale wrote:

    thinking of my own seven month old in the next room,

    WHen did that happen!!??? Oh.. 7 months ago... :^/

    "Well, I feel sheepish.."
    -Genie, ALADDIN

    :D

    COngrats dood...

    Parenthood.. Truly the final frontier..

    "You may have been a Marine, you may have seen blood and guts.. But you've never seen... kaa kaa like this.. Part toxic waste, part velcro..."
    -Robin Williams, LIVE AT THE MET

    :D

  58. [58] 
    Michale wrote:

    On a completely unrelated note..

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4652650/videoplayer/vi1169078297?ref_=tt_ov_vi

    WHY am I just hearing about this now!!!???

  59. [59] 
    Michale wrote:

    You DO realize that *THAT* happens a thousand times a day, all across America, right??? I have even done it myself more times than I can remember..

    I would even be so presumptuous to point out that Russ's husband, Devon likely has been forced to do that more time than he would wish to...

    Any cop who patrols the streets faces that situation at least a hundred times a year, if not more..

    Trying to make political hay out of that is simply showing one's ignorance of the facts and of reality..

  60. [60] 
    Michale wrote:

    But I agree with ya..

    I does make GREAT Political headlines and sound bites...

  61. [61] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    On a completely unrelated note..

    Yes, that flick looks funkin' awesome. Judging by the title, the studio had absolutely no idea how to market it.

  62. [62] 
    Michale wrote:

    I does make GREAT Political headlines and sound bites...

    *IT* does make great Political headlines and sound bites...

  63. [63] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yes, that flick looks funkin' awesome. Judging by the title, the studio had absolutely no idea how to market it.

    Seriously... I only looked into it further when I came across the poster that had Dakota Fanning doing the Vulcan salute...

    My grandson has autism so it's especially poignant for me..

    Hell, I was tearing up at the trailer.. I'll probably be full on waterworks for the movie..

    Looks like we might have a movie for Family Movie Night... The Trek tie in is a bonus..

  64. [64] 
    Michale wrote:

    And to add a little bit of irony..

    The actress who played Dakota Fanning's sister in that movie is Alice Eve who, as everyone knows, played Carol Marcus in the Star Trek reboot movie INTO DARKNESS... :D

  65. [65] 
    Michale wrote:
  66. [66] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    *STILL* not getting tired of winning...

    Yeah, but everyone's tired of Gingrich.

  67. [67] 
    Michale wrote:

    ‘OUTRAGED’ Americans Disgusted With Hyper-Politicized McCain Funeral
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/outraged-americans-disgusted-with-hyper-politicized-mccain-funeral/

    Pretty sad that the elitists can't even get thru a funeral without bashing the President. :^/

    President Trump's White House flag bullshit is now fully justified...

  68. [68] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yeah, but everyone's tired of Gingrich.

    Yea, truth tellers can be tedious... :D

  69. [69] 
    Michale wrote:

    I get that a lot.. :D

  70. [70] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    ‘OUTRAGED’ Americans Disgusted With Hyper-Politicized McCain Funeral

    Kinda figures that your side wouldn't be happy.

    I'll bet it really smarts when a hero's dying words appear to be, "Fuck you."

    President Trump's White House flag bullshit is now fully justified...

    One thing about the toddler in chief is what a small man he is, what a petty, petulant man he can be. He just doesn't understand the seriousness of his position, and is incapable of rising to the level of greatness the office deserves. The 'flag bullshit' is just the latest example. People actually cringed when they heard about it.

  71. [71] 
    Michale wrote:

    Kinda figures that your side wouldn't be happy.

    Just as your side won't be happy with MY response to Hillary's death...

    And so it goes and so it goes..

    I'll bet it really smarts when a hero's dying words appear to be, "Fuck you."

    Yea, that proves the shallowness and utter lack of integrity of John McCain..

    At least, according to his funeral goers..

    Sad...

    One thing about the toddler in chief is what a small man he is, what a petty, petulant man he can be. He just doesn't understand the seriousness of his position, and is incapable of rising to the level of greatness the office deserves. The 'flag bullshit' is just the latest example. People actually cringed when they heard about it.

    Only those who hate Trump already..

    Obviously, they are not to be listened to...

  72. [72] 
    Kick wrote:

    I am beginning to think ya'all's hysterical hatred of President Trump knows no depth.. NOTHING is too low for ya'all in ya'all's pursuit to take out President Trump...…

    And that's just sad…

    You aren't "beginning to think" at all, sunshine; you're merely proving yet again that your hatred and habit of projecting your depths of depravity and feelings onto this blog simply knows no bounds.

    You see, dearest, it's like this: You lose your moral authority in perpetuity to lecture anyone else about anything like "hatred" or "morals" or "decency" or to pretend you're any kind of "law enforcement officer" when you're so hysterical and so desperate to run off a poster that you'd suggest they should kill themselves.

    ...who is alone with her cats, your only rational recourse is to end your sad and pathetic life.. ~ Michale

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/08/28/is-manafort-about-to-flip/#comment-125639

    Talk about "desperate" and "hysterical;" you just became the poster child for hatred, hysteria, and desperation... that guy who incessantly and constantly spams and trolls the entire board and dishes it out constantly but whines like a little bitch when he gets it back. Poor effing snowflake! You are now the definition of "pathetic" in perpetuity on the board. *laughs*

    So to recap:

    * You've completely lost the moral authority to lecture anyone on the board about anything pertaining to "morals" or "decency" or "depths" of hatred or anything else. The hatred is all yours; you can now stop with your flailing attempts to assign it to everyone else.

    * You let everyone here know how hysterical, phony, desperate, and pathetic you really are.

    * Your status as board snowflake troll is cemented in perpetuity.

    Congratulations: You have demonstrated that you embody everything with which you incessantly try to label everyone else.

    In the future, please cease and desist with telling other posters on the board to end their life since there's every possibility that somebody might come along who takes your asinine and fabricated bullshit seriously... very small chance, obviously, since I'll be around to tell them the facts. :)

  73. [73] 
    neilm wrote:
  74. [74] 
    Michale wrote:

    And the crack whore can't help but spew her hateful bullshit into a new commentary...

    She hurls gay slurs all around, attacks commenters families with disgusting personal attacks and has to pollute every commentary with her bile and hatred...

    What a sad pathetic excuse for a human being she is...

  75. [75] 
    Kick wrote:

    EM
    33

    If only great eulogies could get Biden elected POTUS … sigh.

    Vice President Biden is hands down and quite easily the most qualified person on the planet to hold the office. Here's hoping he runs. :)

  76. [76] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    74

    And the crack whore can't help but spew her hateful bullshit into a new commentary...

    Enough about your family already, sunshine, and you might want to go back and read your multiple spamming posts wherein you accuse the entire board of hatred and bullshit if you're looking to identify who introduced those sentiments.

    She hurls gay slurs all around, attacks commenters families with disgusting personal attacks and has to pollute every commentary with her bile and hatred...

    I didn't hurl a gay slur. Typing something over and over does not magically make it come true. If it did, your Orange Worship would be home free, and he isn't.

    Say... you're awfully redundant; in case you haven't recognized your projection problem, the introduction of bile and hatred on the board is all yours. You brought it up multiple times in your spamming entries toward the entire board (see above). Now you want to whine about hatred when you're the one who brought it up. Go figure. You really should stop taking personally anyone who comments about Benedict Donald. It's kind of obvious that you do, but you're not him... nor should you feel like comments about Treasonous Trump are about you personally because... you're obviously not him.

    What a sad pathetic excuse for a human being she is...

    I'm great, actually. If you're going to spam the board with your regular spew where you tell everyone else as a group that they're full of hatred... well, it shouldn't surprise you in the least if somebody points out that the projection is all yours. :)

  77. [77] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Obviously, they are not to be listened to...

    "Stick with us. Don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. ... What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening." - Donald Trump

    The trouble is, Trump has denied saying things that were recorded. Records have been found, actions have been documented.

    And Mueller's team now has a library of sworn depositions that won't go away even if he's removed from office. It's all evidence now, with or without him.

    Orwellian assertions aren't going to help Trump. He doesn't control the media, he just bitches about it. He's not Big Brother, he's only the little brother that just threw his food at you.

  78. [78] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    Michale must be under investigative scrutiny today, the walls of his echo chamber are closing in, the probe into his affairs is touching nerves best left alone. The avalanche of dross and pseudo-truth posts is heavier than usual.

    Back here, on planet Earth, those of us tethered to reality see a President clinging on to power and popularity by the skin of his teeth...All time lowest approval ratings (65% of all Americans STONGLY disapproving) this while in a decent economy...erstwhile collaborators jumping ship, lining up to admit their crimes for leniency...three major investigations now digging into his crooked business dealings, any of which could see him in a full blown congressional impeachment scenario...half a dozen civil cases looming where depositions await and the publication of his taxes a certainty...No raises for civil servants, more nukes for North Korea, 500 kids appropriated for political gain, Manafort's most embarrassing trial pushing up against the midterms that the GOP are polling badly in, Democratic turnover of the house and all the investigations restarted and done properly and his kids half a step ahead of the SDNY and their unassailable indictments.

    If that's the definition of tickety-boo... I shudder to think what grim circumstance looks like.

    LL&P

  79. [79] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm
    26

    Treasonous Trump: “I’m dropping in on my way to France”

    Ireland: “Hey London, can we borrow your balloon?”

    I know, right!? Last I heard, the "Baby Trump" balloon was getting ready to fly in Bedminster.

    http://www.newjerseyhills.com/bernardsville_news/news/video-baby-trump-to-take-first-official-flight-this-month/article_7e18bbef-14cd-5f40-91ec-12e8d8183312.html

    There's also more of them too. Maybe they'll put the whiny little ass in Macy's parade this year. That would be hilarious. *laughs* :)

  80. [80] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Stick with us. Don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. ... What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening." - Donald Trump

    And that is factually accurate..

    We only have to look at CNN's reporting with Lanny Davis as their source to know that this is factually accurate....

    Orwellian assertions aren't going to help Trump. He doesn't control the media, he just bitches about it. He's not Big Brother, he's only the little brother that just threw his food at you.

    And yet, HE is President Of The United States and YOU have been wrong about him at EVERY turn..

    Funny how that is, eh?? :D

  81. [81] 
    Michale wrote:

    Michale must be under investigative scrutiny today, the walls of his echo chamber are closing in, the probe into his affairs is touching nerves best left alone. The avalanche of dross and pseudo-truth posts is heavier than usual.

    It's AMAZING how much real-estate in your head I own.. :D

    You know, you should save SOME to actually THINK for yerself...

    Many of your comments are of the drooling-idiot variety, only suitable for consumption from those who ALSO suffer HHPTDS and cannot think for themselves...

    “My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. And anyone who disagrees with this can pick a number, get in line, and kiss my ass.”

    Once again, your comment proves what an utter moron you really are.. :D

  82. [82] 
    Michale wrote:

    f that's the definition of tickety-boo... I shudder to think what grim circumstance looks like.

    Howz yer moron Trudy fairing against Trump?? :D

    BBBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    TRUDY: "Yes Mr Trump, what can I do for you now"

    BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  83. [83] 
    Michale wrote:

    I didn't hurl a gay slur. Typing something over and over does not magically make it come true.

    I can understand why you would lie about it..

    You said "Cock Holsters" and that is a gay slur..

    THIS IS FACT...

    But you never have anything to do with facts..

    Yer nothing but a crack whore on welfare who REALLY needs to rein in her weight..

    It's no wonder you are single...

    And I am sure EVERYONE here thanks you for bringing your vile hatred and bullshit into this new commentary..

    You are a complete failure as a human being..

  84. [84] 
    Kick wrote:

    nypoet22
    55

    Nice "rant," though; you and Russ are exactly right. It boggles my mind that they had no intention whatsoever of reuniting these children with their families. They stole their children with no intention of giving them back.

    Maybe this is the Palin article you and EM are seeking:

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2008/09/29/in-defense-of-sarah-palin/

    The future has a way of making everything much clearer, and some of it is fairly comical when you look back with 20/20 hindsight. You don't know what you don't know until you know it. :)

  85. [85] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm
    73

    Nice article. The walls are closing in. :)

  86. [86] 
    Kick wrote:

    Balthasar
    77

    And Mueller's team now has a library of sworn depositions that won't go away even if he's removed from office. It's all evidence now, with or without him.

    Yes, sir. The grand juries are multiplying, and the depositions are definitely piling up.

    Orwellian assertions aren't going to help Trump. He doesn't control the media, he just bitches about it. He's not Big Brother, he's only the little brother that just threw his food at you.

    Exactly right... your baby brother! The brit who created the "Trump Baby" balloon pretty much nailed the Whiny-Little-Bitch-In-Chief, and they're multiplying. I'm seeing them everywhere now, and they crack me up every time. :)

  87. [87] 
    Kick wrote:

    James T Canuck
    78

    Michale must be under investigative scrutiny today, the walls of his echo chamber are closing in, the probe into his affairs is touching nerves best left alone. The avalanche of dross and pseudo-truth posts is heavier than usual.

    I couldn't help but notice that myself. The projection is thick with that one. My compliments to you, sir; this "dross" descriptor of yours is very fitting... dead on; good choice.

    If that's the definition of tickety-boo... I shudder to think what grim circumstance looks like.

    I know, right!? "Tickety-boo"! Speaking of "boo," Halloween is near, and winter is coming. :)

  88. [88] 
    Kick wrote:

    I can understand why you would lie about it..

    If you could understand lies, you likely wouldn't... what was that phrase Russ used that I loved so much? Oh, right!

    suck the baby carrot of the orange man-baby!

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/07/14/ftp445/#comment-105337

    It was an instant classic the moment Russ posted it. One of my all time favorites on the board.

    You said "Cock Holsters" and that is a gay slur..

    If you valued facts whatsoever, you could have stated that I called you a "Trump cock holster," which I absolutely did do... because you obviously are one. I would wager that at the time I posted it, I was trying to bring back the magic of Russ's comment that I loved so much... the instant classic I posted above. Perhaps I fell short, but you haven't stopped whining like a little bitch about it ever since. That whiny PC shit suits you, though; if only it matched the level of your "outrage" about the shit that flies out of the mouth of Your Orange Worship, people might have to take you seriously, but it doesn't... so they don't. :)

    So to recap:

    I couldn't help myself when I called you a "Trump cock holster"... probably because you wrote something that reminded me of Russ's instant classic (see blockquote above), and I was simply trying to bring back the magic of that Weigantian "instant classic" moment. Russ said it so much better than I did; probably because of the word "carrot." *laughs*

    THIS IS FACT...

    Yawn. Not according to Russ, and Russ and I have the good fortune to be able to recognize a "carrot" sucker of the orange man-baby when we see one, and if the "holster" fits, wear it! *laughs*

    Yer nothing but a crack whore on welfare who REALLY needs to rein in her weight..

    Now, now, sunshine... people with two brain cells to rub together are going to naturally think you hate yourself if you keep whining about whores after bragging incessantly about your lives as being exactly that, and your self-loathing regarding your body habitus is on full display every time you post about another person's weight when you posted a picture of yourself and your multiple rolls and chins. Your life in the trailer swamps must really be miserable for you to keep flailing in your attempt to project that obvious misery onto another poster.

    Your self-hatred is self-evident, but you'll always have my pity. :)

    It's no wonder you are single...

    Like I said already, typing out something over and over ad nauseam doesn't magically make it a fact. If it did, the associates of Benedict Donald wouldn't be sitting in jail cells scattered across America.

    And I am sure EVERYONE here thanks you for bringing your vile hatred and bullshit into this new commentary..

    Do you not read your own posts?

    You are a complete failure as a human being..

    I'm great. Your attempt at projection of your body habitus and family situation onto another poster is sad though obviously transparent. Pity everyone sees it but you. :)

  89. [89] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    James T Canuck [11]

    Thanks for the spit-take causing post. I had to haul out the Spot-Bot for the Coke on the carpet, but it was worth it!

    nypoet22 [55]

    First, CONGRATS on the new addition to your family... 7 months ago! Children are incredible cures for excess free time and money!

    Next, gross negligence would be the charge, but it doesn’t come close to fully representing the degree of evilness that their actions entail! I know we won’t, but we should be guaranteeing that these children are receiving psychological care in case we have caused any problems via our government’s callous actions!

    Michale [59]

    I would even be so presumptuous to point out that Russ's husband, Devon likely has been forced to do that more time than he would wish to...

    Any cop who patrols the streets faces that situation at least a hundred times a year, if not more..

    Nope. Devon has never had parents come up to him seeking help because of a dangerous/life threatening situation and he chose to throw the parents in jail and send their children hundreds of miles away to a “kiddie prison” (without bothering to write down where he was sending them or the names of the parents); NOT because they had done anything wrong or because they posed a threat to their child, BUT because they didn’t live in the right neighborhood!!!

    Sorry! Even if the law allowed him to do that, he, as an officer, has the discretion to handle each call as he sees is in the best interests of all parties involved. It serves no legitimate purpose to take a child from the care of their parents; especially when the action poses an incredible risk to the child’s mental health.

  90. [90] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Kick,

    God, I love how your mind works!

    If you are ever interested in being the “hag” of a West coast “fag”, just know the position is yours if you want it and I’d be honored!

    -Russ

  91. [91] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Joshua,

    I have no idea.

    I just know it's true.

  92. [92] 
    LeaningBlue wrote:

    James T Canuck [11]: no one throws a funeral like the older gospel crowd.

    One man's thought about such as that, appropriate to the Queen's funeral:


    ...
    And I sang with all my might. // She said "Tell me, are you a Christian, child?" // And I said "Ma'am, I am tonight."

    -Marc Cohn- Walking in Memphis

    My thoughts on Senator McCain's funeral:

    TheStig wrote in [4]: McCain was all about complexity.

    Greatness implies complexity. While it's important to remember that the converse isn't always true, in this instance, I believe it to have been.

    This was the funeral of an honored military officer, certainly. Just as certainly, it was also a state funeral. The mission of the Army Military District of Washington entails the conduct of both of those, flawlessly managing the public honors and carrying out the private wishes for many presidents and countless war heroes and their families.

    John McCain was both a disabled warrior and an elder statesman. There are contradictions and plain old natural dissonance which can arise within men forged in that duality. McCain balanced those pretty well in life, and his wishes for the final celebration of his life provided the nation with a duzy of a send off, and at a time the nation needs a reminder of who we really are, and what we should really value.

    The older gospel crowd can throw a great send off party on their turf for one of their own, for sure, but the older patriot crowd can sometimes throw an even better one on their turf.

  93. [93] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    Nope.

    So, what you are saying is that, if Devon busted a mother and father for driving while high on heroin and the scumbags had their kids in the car with them, Devon would NOT separate the kids from the parents and would throw them all in jail together??

    Well.. OK I guess I will just have to respectfully disagree with Devon's course of action in that regard..

    He must have gone to a different police academy then I went to...

  94. [94] 
    Michale wrote:

    Crack Whore Welfare Girl,

    You can obfuscate all you want.. You can spin and lie til the cows (like you) come home...

    But the simple fact is, you used a gay slur..

    No amount of bullshit that spews out of your mouth will change that once simple fact..

    Cock Holster is a recognized and well defined gay slur..

    And it's documented that you used it..

    So, quit lying about it...

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/hogzilla_wp.jpg?quality=90&strip=all

    And for gods sake, take a bath and lose some weight. Yer really stinking up the place...

  95. [95] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    Your reaction to this illegal immigrant/children issue is one of hysterical emotionalism, not facts or reality..

    Further, I am constrained to point out that you had **ZERO** problem with Odumbo separating children from criminals at the border..

    Therefore, the ONLY logical conclusion is your reaction is borne SOLELY of partisan politics, NOT from facts, logic or reality...

    Don't ya feel kinda disgusting using children in such a manner???

    So, to sum up..

    Your reaction to this particular issue is hysterical, overly emotional and is based SOLELY on Party slavery and bigotry...

  96. [96] 
    Michale wrote:

    Crack Whore Slut,

    If you valued facts whatsoever, you could have stated that I called you a "Trump cock holster," which I absolutely did do.

    Actually, you didn't.. But why let FACTS ruin the perfectly good bullshit that spews from your lips..

    I was simply trying to bring back the magic of that Weigantian "instant classic" moment.

    By using a gay slur??

    So, to recap..

    You feel that hurling homophobic slurs is appropriate in a rational reality-based political forum...

    No wonder you are such a lonely and pathetic crack whore... Waiting for her welfare check so she can go buy new batteries for her boyfriend...

    Wouldn't it be so much nicer for you to just end your pathetic and disgusting life??

  97. [97] 
    Michale wrote:

    Actually, you didn't.. But why let FACTS ruin the perfectly good bullshit that spews from your lips..

    Let me amend that to say that, at the time, you didn't appear to be attacking me personally...

    But now that you have stated your intent WAS to attack me with a gay slue, that simply confirms to me what a low life scumbag you are and re-enforces my opinion that this country and this world would be a better place if you weren't in it..

    So, please.. Crack Whore Victoria...

    Make America Great Again..... Remove yourself from existence...

  98. [98] 
    Michale wrote:

    LB,

    "Carl!!!! GOOD TA SEE YA!!!"
    -Adam Sandler, BILLY MADISON

    So, about that continued discussion..

  99. [99] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    It serves no legitimate purpose to take a child from the care of their parents;

    Really???

    So, the scumbag illegal who rapes his "daughter"..

    It serves no legitimate purpose to take that child from the care of her parent??

    REALLY!!???

    Did you HONESTLY just say that???

    Sometimes I REALLY wonder about you people... :^/

  100. [100] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale,

    I made it very clear that it wasn’t our government removing children from parents that were accused of crimes or that posed a threat to the child’s wellbeing that was at issue — those are legitimate reasons for removing a child; but that wasn’t what was happening at our borders! And no, Devon has never removed a child from parents who called 911 seeking help simply because they lived outside the city limits.

    Our government made it clear that they were punishing these people for seeking asylum in the U.S. in an effort to scare others from seeking asylum! “Deplorable” doesn’t begin to properly describe the pieces of shat that came up with this plan!

    And when our government has to step in and remove a child from its home, we do not send them across the country to be placed in cages! They are kept in the same county (almost always) and state (always!) as the parent. Why the hell wasn’t this done with children taken at the southern border? To punish the families for seeking asylum in the U.S. — it’s the only reason that makes sense!

    Families ripped apart at our southern border had their children sent to upper NY state and MN; and then the families were forced to pay for their children to fly back to where they had been separated in order to retrieve them.

    Our government honestly could not have been bigger dicks in their handling of this horrible plan if they had tried!

  101. [101] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale,

    How many of the children were removed from parents that were sexually abusing them? How many of the parents were charged as being drug mules for the cartels? I can’t find any reports that named even a single incident like that as being the reason the child was taken from their family! Surely the court didn’t order that they be returned to their family if that was the case!

    No, you are just trying to rationalize the xenophobic piece of smegma’s policy to justify the taking of children from their families so it won’t seem as utterly cruel as it sounds — but you cannot!

  102. [102] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    I made it very clear

    First off, you did NOT make it very clear..

    You said "It serves no legitimate purpose to take a child from the care of their parents;"

    THAT is very clear..

    But OK, I'll let ya back pedal... You misspoke.. You employed partisan hyperbole No biggie..

    So, you agree that, at times, there are very legitimate reasons to remove children and separate from their parents.. Right??

    Moving on...

    that it wasn’t our government removing children from parents that were accused of crimes or that posed a threat to the child’s wellbeing that was at issue — those are legitimate reasons for removing a child; but that wasn’t what was happening at our borders!

    That is EXACTLY what is happening at our borders..

    How do we know for sure when an illegal immigrant criminal says that the kids are their own??

    It is in the best interests of the children to remove them until paternity can be confirmed..

    THAT is a rational and logical response..

    Our government honestly could not have been bigger dicks in their handling of this horrible plan if they had tried!

    That's your opinion and I respect that.

    But it's the opinion of someone who ALREADY HAD that opinion before this issue came up..

    So, it's simply more of the same..

    Further, you did NOT have that opinion when Odumbo was separating children at the southern border.

    Ergo, the *ONLY* rational and logical conclusion is that your opinion is borne SOLELY based on Party slavery...

  103. [103] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @russ,

    All true. Just to reiterate my own point, what makes it gross negligence was the sheer scale of the failure to keep records. Literally thousands of children indiscriminately grabbed and nobody had any record of who belonged to whom.

  104. [104] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @Michale,
    You're making my point for me. Nobody had any clue who did or didn't have legitimate cause to be split up, much less keep any documentation of who or why. That is called due process, and it's in our fifth for citizens and fourteenth amendment for non citizens.

  105. [105] 
    Michale wrote:

    Literally thousands of children indiscriminately grabbed and nobody had any record of who belonged to whom.

    That is spin and not connected to any facts whatsover..

    Homeland Security kept meticulous records of the illegals.. It was only when DHS transferred the illegals to domestic social services agencies, as required by law, that record-keeping became incompetent.. And those agencies are chock-full with Odumbo leftovers, so it's to be expected.....

  106. [106] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    Actually, you are making my point for me..

    Where were all your complaints when this EXACT SAME THING was happening during Odumbo The 1st's reign???

  107. [107] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @m,
    The "exact same thing" would mean rounding up everybody, separating every child, and not keeping records of who or why. Under Bush and Obama, that was not the case.

  108. [108] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Don't get me wrong, all three had increasingly lousy deportation policy, but it's far far far from the "exact same thing "

  109. [109] 
    Michale wrote:

    Under Bush and Obama, that was not the case.

    Except that is not factually accurate..

    Back in 2008, the inspector general for the Health and Human Services department noted that HHS and Homeland Security weren't regularly checking in on these children to make sure they were doing OK with their sponsor families. So, HHS started following up with the sponsors 30 days after the children's release.

    But, as the IG noted in a follow-up July 2017 report, HHS doesn't always succeed in its attempts to reach the sponsors. It reported that in the first half of 2016, HHS couldn't reach 16% of the 25,975 children placed with sponsors during those months.

    In other words, under President Obama, the government "lost" 4,156 illegal immigrant children in just the first six months of 2016!

    Sorry, New Daddy.. :D

    Odumbo "lost" over 4 THOUSAND illegal immigrant children ..

    Almost THREE TIMES the children that President Trump "lost" and in less than a half a year..

    So, by all means.. Point me to the comments you and Russ made in 2016 condemning Odumbo??

    Upon doing so, I will GLADLY retract my claim and issue the most heartfelt and sincerest of apologies to you..

  110. [110] 
    Michale wrote:

    Don't get me wrong, all three had increasingly lousy deportation policy, but it's far far far from the "exact same thing "

    I know you honestly believe that..

    But the FACTS paint a different picture..

    Odumbo lost children

    Odumbo separated children from their parents

    How is that any different than what you are accusing President Trump of??

  111. [111] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    So.... Deep state Obama supporters intentionally stopped keeping records of family separations just to make Donald look bad? Or the administration enacted a massive increase in family separation without adequate forethought or planning to avoid violating the 5th and 14th amendment rights of thousands of children

  112. [112] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    How do we know for sure when an illegal immigrant criminal says that the kids are their own??

    It is in the best interests of the children to remove them until paternity can be confirmed..

    THAT is a rational and logical response..

    NO! That is an irrational and illogical response and one of the scariest things I have heard you say in defense of your orange master... and something that Trump’s administration hasn’t even attempted to use as an excuse. They are very upfront that the children were being taken as a way to deter others from seeking asylum here! Quit lying and trying to make up shit to explain the scum you are so willing to follow straight into Hell!

    What right does our government have to take an adopted child from his/her adoptive parents?

    So will the government start taking the children of people who criticize Trump until they can prove that they are actually blood related? I think the Nazi’s did this, as do African war-lords in order to man their child armies.

    And what the hell is this:
    But now that you have stated your intent WAS to attack me with a gay slue, that simply confirms to me what a low life scumbag you are and re-enforces my opinion that this country and this world would be a better place if you weren't in it..

    So, please.. Crack Whore Victoria...

    Make America Great Again..... Remove yourself from existence...

    Encouraging someone to kill themself because they have proven that they can out troll you when you push them to is not acceptable.
    It’s a puss thing to do!

    Unless you retract that and apologize, this will be my last message to you. I like you Michale, but that is crossing a very big line that I cannot be a part of.

  113. [113] 
    Michale wrote:

    So.... Deep state Obama supporters intentionally stopped keeping records of family separations just to make Donald look bad?

    While that would not surprise me, I don't think that's the case..

    It's more likely an incompetence carry-over from the Odumbo administration..

    Irregardless, the fact remains..

    Odumbo "violated the 5th and 14th amendment rights of thousands of children"...

    No one here said BOO....

    So, that gives ya'all little credibility when slamming President Trump for it..

    Because it shows that the "horror" ya'all display is SOLELY borne of Party ideology and NOT out of any real concern for the children..

    That's all I am saying..

  114. [114] 
    Michale wrote:

    I get it, Joshua..

    It's a sad state of affairs when parent's actions require that their children be taken from them..

    NO ONE wants to see that..

    But the FACT remains that such actions occur every day in America, not just at the border..

    And such actions are DEMONSTRABLY not unique to President Trump's administration...

    All this hulaballoo over this is borne SOLELY of Partisan politics...

  115. [115] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @m,
    Again, the article you cited proves you wrong and Bush and Obama DID keep adequate records of family separations. Without such records there would be no way of knowing what percent were or weren't checked on in a timely fashion, much less attempting to correct the oversight.

  116. [116] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    nypoet22,

    I am sure that I made plenty of comments back in 2016 about these stats that didn’t become known until the report was released in 2017, don’t you? It was back when I thought it would be fun to be clairvoyant, but found that knowing stuff before everyone else wasn’t as cool as it sounded!

  117. [117] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    It's a sad state of affairs when our government commits gross negligence causing irreparable harm to thousands of families and then attempts to blame the victims.

  118. [118] 
    Michale wrote:

    Again, the article you cited proves you wrong and Bush and Obama DID keep adequate records of family separations.

    Yea???

    How do you get there...

    Back in 2008, the inspector general for the Health and Human Services department noted that HHS and Homeland Security weren't regularly checking in on these children to make sure they were doing OK with their sponsor families. So, HHS started following up with the sponsors 30 days after the children's release.

    But, as the IG noted in a follow-up July 2017 report, HHS doesn't always succeed in its attempts to reach the sponsors. It reported that in the first half of 2016, HHS couldn't reach 16% of the 25,975 children placed with sponsors during those months.

    In other words, under President Obama, the government "lost" 4,156 illegal immigrant children in just the first six months of 2016!

    ... From here??

    It's a sad state of affairs when our government commits gross negligence causing irreparable harm to thousands of families and then attempts to blame the victims.

    But it WASN'T when Odumbo was doing it..

    How come??

  119. [119] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    Encouraging someone to kill themself because they have proven that they can out troll you when you push them to is not acceptable.
    It’s a puss thing to do!

    Yea?? And attacking a man's wife and children in the most vile and disgusting manner IS perfectly acceptable??

    Sorry, son... You believing that PROVES your opinion is so skewed by your Party slavery it's absolutely worthless..

    Yes.. Crack Whore Victoria should remove herself from the gene pool as she has proven beyond ANY doubt that she is not fit to live...

    Unless you retract that and apologize,

    I will be HAPPY to retract that. When the scumbag crack whore slut retracts and apologizes for her gross and disgusting attacks on my wife and children..

    I would also include retracting her homophobic slur, but you don't seem to be bothered by it so we'll let it stand..

    this will be my last message to you.

    Don't threaten ME with a good time...

    I like you Michale, but that is crossing a very big line that I cannot be a part of.

    And yet, YOU already ARE "part of it" by condoning the Crack Whore's disgusting attacks on my wife and children...

    Once again, it APPEARS that your moral indignation is SOLELY governed by your Party ideology... Crack Whore's a Democrat so she can say any vile and disgusting thing she wants and YOU support it..

    So, you'll forgive me if I ignore your request..

    "I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request.. That means NO.."
    -Captain Barbossa, PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN, The Black Pearl

  120. [120] 
    Michale wrote:

    I like you Michale,

    Yea.. It shows :^/

    People who *I* like, I would not let someone attack their wife and children in the most vile and disgusting ways imaginable..

    So, you'll forgive me if I call BS on your claim that you "like me"...

  121. [121] 
    Michale wrote:

    Once again, we have all of ya'all's partisan based hysteria...

    #WhereAreTheChildren Showed Progressives Didn’t Learn Anything About Immigration From the Obama Administration
    Jun 1, 2018, 8:57am Tina Vasquez

    One woman who was deported during the Obama administration told Rewire.News she found it frustrating that so many liberal-identified people were willing to acknowledge the inhumane treatment of immigrant families as long as it was being tied to Trump.
    https://rewire.news/article/2018/06/01/wherearethechildren-showed-progressives-didnt-learn-anything-immigration-obama-administration/

    And then we have the FACTS....

  122. [122] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @m
    Just because we like you doesn't mean we have the time or energy to participate on your behalf in a flame war that is at least 50% of your own making.
    JL

  123. [123] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    "The only winning move is not to play"
    - war games

  124. [124] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Kick wrote: Vice President Biden is hands down and quite easily the most qualified person on the planet to hold the office. Here's hoping he runs. :)

    Those of us who have known Joe Biden for decades and have closely followed his senate career, including his moving farewell address to his favourite chamber before being sworn in as vice president, know that what you wrote is true and has been true for a very long time.

    But, he received less than one percent of the vote in the 2008 Iowa caucuses. On a personal point of privilege, he withdrew from the race. Some people don't have to be hit over the head with a two-by-four, though that vote must have hurt.

    His 1988 run was, in his opinion in retrospect, too soon. Of course his withdrawal from that race saved his life.

    He wanted to run in 2004 but he was too involved in fixing the mess in Iraq to be involved with a presidential campaign. Should Kerry have won that race, it is well known that he was going to ask Biden to be Secretary of State. But, assuming Democrats would control the Senate, Biden would rather be chairman of the Foreign Relations committee!

    As for Biden running again, I think y'all have missed your chance. And, that, my friend, is a definition of sad. I hope I'm wrong and that he will run again but, I think there is going to have to be a lot of public support for him before he makes that decision again.

  125. [125] 
    Michale wrote:

    Just because we like you doesn't mean we have the time or energy to participate on your behalf in a flame war that is at least 50% of your own making.

    And the girl who was raped, it's 50% her own fault because she was wearing a short skirt and low cut top, right??

    If you don't want to participate in the flame war, then fine.. Stay out of it..

    But Russ DIDN'T stay out of it, did he.. He came down on the side of Crack Whore Victoria.. He came down on the side of the person who attacked my wife and children in disgusting and vile ways...

    Ya'all always seem to have a problem with *MY* responses, but rarely, if ever, address the instigator..

    This being FACT, the ONLY logical conclusion is your attitude is borne SOLELY of Party slavery and not have anything to do with decency or acceptability..

    I would love for ya'all to prove me wrong..

    But, cest le vie...

  126. [126] 
    Michale wrote:

    "The only winning move is not to play"
    - war games

    Yea.. be the bigger person..

    I have tried that.. Which directly lead to my wife and children being attacked by the crack whore, Victoria...

    You want it to stop, you go to the source...

    Review this commentary.. Hell, review EVERY commentary.... There is one common thread..

    Crack Whore starts it each and every time..

  127. [127] 
    Michale wrote:

    You recall how it was stopped before??

    Balthasar interceded and asked Crack Whore Welfare Girl to stop with the attacks and such..

    And she complied.. And it was relatively peaceful for a few weeks..

    Then crack whore started it up again by hurling homophobic slurs and attacking me again..

    And that's where we are now...

    You want it to stop?? Go to the source...

  128. [128] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    ...meanwhile, back at the facts. I'm astonished I never heard back from the various "US.GOV's" I fired lawyerly letters off to inquiring about these kids. I took the tack that leapt to mind when the DHS quietly announced the loss of 1500 kids, that surely they kept records of the vetted families they punted these poor buggers to?

    Soon thereafter, not looking like 'The Cheshire Cat' at all, the shit hit the fan for the Trump department in charge of lies, bullshit and general deceptions. A couple of days passed and the kids, being too young to be frog-marched to the outskirts of town, much less be made to dig their own mass-grave to disappear helpfully, reappeared alive and well in cages.

    Sure, ok...yeah it's hyperbolic, but I don't think this fresh low for the rabble in the Whiter-than White House deserve much quarter on this. These twats separated kids from their parents, were found out, lied about losing them, then found them in the cages they hurled them into, apparently with every intention of permanently tearing them from their parents. And why? well that turned out to be another fresh abhorrence...to make political hay for the fucking idiot's wall!

    By my estimation, that act of utter cruelty and barbarism is only gas chamber away from Nazi-like intention. The Trump gang knew damn well it was un-ethical and vile, in the same way the Nazi's knew their actions were...both regimes scurried to hide their crime when light of it was known and they knew the gig was up.

    It's state generated cowardice to act reprehensibly and then drag more of its employees into the mess to cover it up, then lie to a society they knew would never reconcile themselves to evil perpetrated in their name.

    So, the god-fearing, mulligan dispensing right-wing have that to look forward to when, in his divine query, their maker asks them "so kids, what compassion and love did we get up to, in the name of good will to all man, while you were out?...hmm)

    Does the Lord recognise 'Mulligans' as a form of currency?

    LL&P

  129. [129] 
    Michale wrote:

    Maybe you should worry less about our country and more about yours Canuck, eh???

    Ontario’s Liberals were decimated—and lost party status. What happened?

    The election was a mess of the Ontario Liberals’ own making. Here’s what happens next—and why a huge loss might actually be a good thing for the party
    https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/ontarios-liberals-face-annihilation-heres-what-happened-and-what-happens-next/

    I'm just sayin'.... :D

  130. [130] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liberals fall short of official party status; Wynne resigns as Liberal leader
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-wynne-resigns-as-liberal-leader-as-party-suffers-historic-rout-in/

    Hell, Canadian liberals don't even have Party status...

    BBBBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    "Historic rout"

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Sucks to be you, 'nuck :D

  131. [131] 
    Michale wrote:
  132. [132] 
    Michale wrote:

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/6d0c827943b8dc8c2c7449974d0d19dd0f16c24b/c=1-0-639-480/local/-/media/2018/07/27/INGroup/Indianapolis/636682911389180366-072918.jpg?width=540&height=405&fit=crop

    And that...

    Try as they might, the Leftist MSM and the hysterical NeverTrumpers simply are Wile E Coyote to President Trump's RoadRunner

    :D

  133. [133] 
    Michale wrote:

    Suspected MS-13 member broke into sleeping girl’s bedroom, raped her: cops

    A purported member of the MS-13 gang broke into the bedroom of a sleeping 11-year-old Brooklyn girl and raped her in her bed, cops said Saturday as the suspect was taken into custody.

    The horrific crime happened at 11:30 p.m. Wednes­day in Prospect-Lefferts Gardens, officials said.

    The suspect — identified by police sources as El Salvadoran immigrant Julio Cesar Ayala, 18, who lives nearby — had allegedly climbed onto the roof of the girl’s apartment building.
    https://nypost.com/2018/09/01/perv-breaks-into-sleeping-11-year-old-girls-bedroom-then-rapes-her-cops/

    According to reports, Ayala is Democrat 2020 candidate for Congress... :^/

  134. [134] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ya'all always seem to have a problem with *MY* responses, but rarely, if ever, address the instigator..

    To be fair to JL, this is not entirely accurate..

    There was a time when Crack Whore Welfare Girl Victoria tried to extort me into silence by using opposition research she paid for...

    Joshua spoke up against that... It didn't reign in the crack whore, as she escalated her disgusting attacks..

    But it was unfair of me to characterize JL as never having addressed the instigator..

    My sincere apologies for the error, JL...

  135. [135] 
    Michale wrote:

    Encouraging someone to kill themself because they have proven that they can out troll you when you push them to is not acceptable.
    It’s a puss thing to do!

    Further, I am also constrained to point out, Russ, that there has been MANY instances where commenters here have encouraged generic & specific Republicans to kill themselves...

    So, once again, I have proven that your "moral outrage" at my encouraging Crack Whore to do the world a favor and take her fat ass out of the gene pool, is solely and completely based on your Party Slavery...

    If I had given that encouragement to President Trump or Rush Limbaugh, I am certain you would give me a medal...

    So, please.. Can the holier than thou bullshit..

    You simply are not equipped to pull it off...

  136. [136] 
    Michale wrote:

    Earth is set for BIG FREEZE as sun goes BLANK for majority of 2018
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1010638/cold-weather-forecast-big-freeze-solar-minimum-maximum-space-news

    But!! But!!! But!!!

    GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!! AAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    :D

  137. [137] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    There’s this new axis of power, this kind of emerging alliance between Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates and Israel and Russia and Trump, and the alt-right movement generally. There are a lot of stories that I find really interesting about Emiratis and Saudis buying apartments in Trump buildings for way above the market price. I'm sure Trump is financially linked to Russian organized crime, and Russian banks, in all kinds of dirty ways that involve money laundering and tax evasion. That stuff I think is 100 percent real and genuinely urgent and pressing.

    Said by your new buddy Glenn Greenwald, Michale.

  138. [138] 
    Michale wrote:

    Said by your new buddy Glenn Greenwald, Michale.

    Although I would probably dispute the term "buddy", as I am sure Greenwald would :D there is NOTHING "new" about my thoughts on GG..

    As CW can attest to, my opinion of GG has NEVER changed in the 12+ years I have been posting here in Weigantia..

    I'm sure Trump is financially linked to Russian organized crime, and Russian banks, in all kinds of dirty ways that involve money laundering and tax evasion. That stuff I think is 100 percent real and genuinely urgent and pressing.

    Yea... Just as YOU are "sure"....

    "But real cops have to follow this little thing called 'evidence'...."
    -Lois Einhorn, ACE VENTURA, PET DETECTIVE

    :D

  139. [139] 
    Michale wrote:

    I am also constrained to point out that, practically every time I DO mention GG, it's with the caveat that, "He is nearly WRONG on everything he believes"

    :D

  140. [140] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    [129-130] Not all of us know everything, like you, Michale.

    In other myths, fables and right-wing assumptions, I keep an even beadier eye on my own politics and that of the UK and Europe(those are places where other people live, you might overlook them as you gaze lovingly towards the Motherland).

    Constitutional monarchies, like your Constitutional republic, that have democracy at the root of their power, rely on their electorate to keep abreast of national concerns, lest they fall prey to the machinations of a self-serving political mountebank.
    In my case, it seemed prudent to keep an eye on US politics, considering their effect on my country. Naturally, I was right to do so...but you didn't need a crystal ball to see a Trump circus pulling into town. A quick google here, a slight Wiki there(not Wikileaks, I'm trying not to confuse you with fact) and a school child(were he or she not in chains) could have discovered Trump's chaotic past and known old white men rarely change their ways.
    That's right, what you amusingly refer to as unorthodox, clearer, more widely informed people would call unqualified. Again, my concerns were as justified as my hopes were of ash.
    I could care less about that centrist rabble at the heart of the Canadian political spectrum, your failure to grasp the obvious in Canadian politics is probably quite widespread among your ilk, shared delusion has that effect on the oblivious.
    In Canada(that's the bigger country, with ten times your natural resources, on tenth of your population and 1% of your crime rate, above you) the Grits(your slightly more honest, but equally self-serving GOP) and the Liberals(more progressive, but ultimately more centered than your Democrats) are almost indistinguishable from one another. Their difference is essentially down to one appeals more to the east of the country, the other, the west.

    To my mind, Wynne made that most fatal of all mistakes, someone who serves at our pleasure, can make...not knowing when she had overstayed her welcome. We don't do all that messing around in elections you lot do, if you do a good job, keep your hand out of the cookie jar, you stay and put your nose down...we don't have an Neolithic dysfunctional fealty to the party of our fathers here, as you do there. We don't take attendance in our political parties, and we don't have the attendant tribalism baked into the system as a result. It's an asinine system in the US, doomed to these forever vexing cycles of a step forward and two steps back because the definition of democracy got lost and found, redefined and skewed to the point where it barely resembles its definition in any dictionary you might have as door stop around the house.

    No no, our version of democracy matured with us, not in spite of our best efforts to mold it into what we thought would sound better. We don't piss around with electoral college's, redistricting to coral blocks of like minded voters into race or religious voting packs nor do we spend our lives in one election cycle after another, forever at each other's throats. Here, where civilisation spends most of its time when not cutting the lawn, we have one vote per head and the person with the most, wins(we like to call it democracy, it's fun, you should try it sometime.)

    And this is where it gets fun, and I always go towards the fun...we have a third party, a nifty idea we adopted at the end of the Victorian age when workers decided the two existing parties were cut from the same cloth, and wanted nothing to do with either. That's how we avoid the stupidity of tribalism, we looked to democracy itself and decided more choice better satisfied our definition of the word.

    "you can't get anything done without a clear majority" I hear you stomp out in your stall, that's why partisanship doesn't exist here, legislators have to compromise, like adults do everyday, to get results. And results we get, one only needs to look at were the two countries are, socially.

    Our leader my be young, but he has decades of political life under his belt. He's not really paying attention to Trump, he knows Trump plays to a small fringe of American society and he can put Trump out of business long before he does any real damage, to you or us. Trump lives and dies with his precious economy. Hanging up a trillion bucks and a huge chunk of the American economy at our borders won't bother us too much, we are diverse and resource based...but it'll tank you lot and kill Trump.

    So If I were you(a lot smarter, more politically savvy you, to be sure) I would worry more about that.

    LL&P

  141. [141] 
    Michale wrote:

    [129-130] Not all of us know everything, like you, Michale.

    I know.. It's not yer fault yer ruled by Ideological slavery and HHPTDS..

    Yer forgiven...

  142. [142] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, 'nuck..

    How's that liberal Party werkin' out for ya in Canada??

    Oh wait.. It's not even a PARTY anymore!!!

    BBBBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    DECIMATION

  143. [143] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    I have one word for you. And that word is boring.

    Although, you seem to have captivated many of the 'new' regulars here, so … more power to you.

    Unfortunately, Chris's blog is the one that suffers, not that he minds, mind you … ???

  144. [144] 
    Michale wrote:

    Unfortunately, Chris's blog is the one that suffers, not that he minds, mind you … ???

    Well, I can't speak for CW, but I can assure you that *I* care a lot..

    But what can I do??

    I am not going to just let such vile and disgusting attacks on my wife and children go unanswered....

    I will ALWAYS comment when racist or homophobic slurs are hurled in the comments section..

    So, you tell me..

    Give me a solution that DOESN'T include me bending over and taking it up the shorts and tolerating my wife and children being disgustingly attacked and I will be HAPPY to consider it...

  145. [145] 
    Michale wrote:

    And it's not just CW's blog that suffers..

    Funerals for two of America's great people was turned into nothing but a hysterical Anti-Trump rally that disgusted 10s of millions of Americans...

    The entire American way of life is being attacked by hysterical America Haters who know nothing but hatred and intolerance....

    While it would be nice if we could stop the hate and intolerance in our little corner of existence....

    When we have commenters who hurl homophobic slurs and attack innocent women and children and other commenters who think such disgusting actions are appropriate???

    Well, what hope does this place have??

  146. [146] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    We all have the power to do our part to make this blog a better place.

    We have been shown how to do that by the legacies left to us by Senator McCain and Aretha Franklin.

    We don't have to wait for anyone else to act first or ever, we just have to act ourselves and ignore all of the nonsense whenever it may appear. This is how we can change the nature of this blog.

    I will continue to do my part, whenever my increasingly non-existent spare time allows.

    The great people who were remembered this past week have left us all a gift and, to paraphrase Joe Biden, their impacts upon us are not over!

  147. [147] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    It may take some here more time, but you and I can start right now and hope that it wears off on others here.

  148. [148] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    [144]Leaving in a huff of self-righteous indignation, never again to darken this door, would be a step worth taking. You could immerse yourself in the pursuit self-improvement and quiet contemplation. You might be a happier person, we would benefit likewise.

    As for the Ontario Liberals and their woes, I'm as indifferent to their plight as I was to the federal conservatives. They found themselves on the same slippery slope after Trudeau knocked seven shades of shit out of Harper and his band of kleptocrats. Their evisceration at the hands of Trudeau was so thorough, the entire caucus was washed out of Ottawa on wave of tears. Harper now enjoys an exciting career as a tie salesman at kiosk tucked away at Calgary International Airport. He may yet make senior clerk.

    I vote NDP when I get a chance, even they aren't left enough for my taste...Coming from generations of trade unionists, the last and most notably being the head of the Coal Miners union of the UK, in the 70-80's. Arthur was the man that took Britain to the edge of civil war in the early eighties, and ultimately saw Maggie Thatcher off the Pit Head and into history's prisoners dock. So you can imagine how I feel about the diluted liberal visionaries on this side of the wet. You consider Bernie a step too far, in my reality he's a dilettante any true liberal would stride over to put the boots to the clowns of the right.

    I hope this clears up any misunderstanding you created for yourself while in the boundless pursuit of whatever it is you drone on about.

    LL&P

  149. [149] 
    Michale wrote:

    We all have the power to do our part to make this blog a better place.

    Yes, we do...

    Yet one or two people are overwhelmed by 2 or 3 vile and disgusting souls and the indifference of everyone else..

    It may take some here more time, but you and I can start right now and hope that it wears off on others here.

    We have been down that road and it lead to family attacks and homophobic slurs..

    Since it's obvious that you and I are the only ones interested in making a sincere effort to clean this place off, with one or two others willing to half-heartedly put in their 2 cents....

    Well, that's just not enough to start a cleansing movement...

    It's going to take either more people really and sincerely wanting the shit to stop... or an effort by the blog gods to stop the shit..

    That's the ONLY way this place gets back to it's former glory..

  150. [150] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ
    90

    If you are ever interested in being the “hag” of a West coast “fag”, just know the position is yours if you want it and I’d be honored!

    I'm already yours, baby! :)

    But, Russ, please watch your language, there is an admitted whore and Trump cock holster on the board who will be along directly to whine incessantly LALB about your usage of a "slur" because it does so upset his tender sensibilities. ;)
    _______________

    LALB - like a little "rhymes with witch"

  151. [151] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Further, I am also constrained to point out, Russ, that there has been MANY instances where commenters here have encouraged generic & specific Republicans to kill themselves...

    I’m so sorry that I don’t respond daily to every single comment on here so I would have the moral authority to have an opinion that you disagree with! Do you need a hug?

    How dare I take offense at you telling someone directly that they should kill themselves when I intentionally failed to read the alleged comments of others wishing unspecified people (who aren’t on this site) to kill themselves!?!

    You really are more like Trump than I thought possible! You insult everyone who disagrees with you as not having opinions and thoughts that are our own, claiming instead that we are only commenting because we suffer from “Party slavery”.

    If I had given that encouragement to President Trump or Rush Limbaugh, I am certain you would give me a medal...

    Really? And when have I ever done anything like that on here? Your thin skin seems to cause your lies to be even more obvious than normal when it is irritated. Benadryl might help.

    It’s kinda like when you claimed I was attacking your grandkid when I said that I hoped karma doesn’t put your grandchild through the suffering that you said you fully supported our government putting asylum-seeking children through — you cannot handle when your vitriol is pointed out to you.

    So, please.. Can the holier than thou bullshit..

    You simply are not equipped to pull it off...

    You have no idea of what I am equipped to handle, snowflake.

    I will remind you that when you were attacking and mocking Paula for taking anti-depressants, that I asked you to stop that as well. Mocking someone who is suffering from an illness was quite OK with you, but I find it repulsive and cowardly. It wreaks of the actions of a weak-minded little man who can’t handle having a woman put him in his place.

    I am sorry that my telling you that I disapprove of you encouraging someone to end their life because they insulted members of your family causes you to think that I am better than you. That you find decency that offensive to your ego is sad.

  152. [152] 
    Michale wrote:

    But, Russ, please watch your language, there is an admitted whore and Trump cock holster on the

    Like I said..

    Crack Whore's best option is to remove herself from the gene pool...

  153. [153] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    I’m so sorry that I don’t respond daily to every single comment on here so I would have the moral authority to have an opinion that you disagree with!

    It's very convenient for you how variable your availability is, eh??

    What a pussy cop-out..

    You have no idea of what I am equipped to handle, snowflake.

    You have made that very clear...

    I will remind you that when you were attacking and mocking Paula for taking anti-depressants, that I asked you to stop that as well.

    yes.. You always defend your fellow Democrats..

    But did you stand up to Crack Whore when she was attacking my wife and children?? Did you stand up to Crack Whore when she was hurling homophobic slurs??

    No you did not..

    That's because you are pussy whipped by Party slavery..

    THANK YOU for proving my point..

    I am sorry that my telling you that I disapprove of you encouraging someone to end their life because they insulted members of your family causes you to think that I am better than you. That you find decency that offensive to your ego is sad.

    Didn't you say that your comments this morning were the LAST comment to me???

    What a lying pile of shit you are...

    For the record.. It is my fervent wish that Crack Whore Victoria removes herself from the gene pool as she has proven beyond ANY doubt that she is a useless pathetic human being who has no business drawing another breath..

    NOW will you shut up and stop commenting to me as you promised???

    I doubt it.... Like Crack Whore, you are simply full of shit..

  154. [154] 
    Kick wrote:

    I'm not a Democrat. :) *laughs*

  155. [155] 
    Kick wrote:

    Crack Whore Welfare Girl

    This is a political forum. Can you please limit the posts about your wife and family life to one (1) per day? Asking for a friend.

    But the simple fact is, you used a gay slur..

    I said you were a "Trump cock holster" because you suck the carrot of the orange man-baby every chance you get. Please continue to bring it up frequently and repeat it ad nauseam; that's how everyone here will know that its usage really upsets your tender disposition and politically correct sensibilities.

    Cock Holster is a recognized and well defined gay slur..

    You are a recognized and well-defined "Trump cock holster" who doesn't seem to grasp the fact that typing something over and over does not magically make it a fact; you have that in common with Your Orange Man-Baby. As I have said many times, unless you prefer appearing like an inveterate halfwit, you might want to crack a book and educate yourself. Here, let me help you:

    "Cock holster" is a term that is used frequently in the military, particularly used most liberally during boot camp and other training and has been for decades. If an uneducated poser like yourself didn't hear it multiple times in your very limited time in the military, then somebody obviously didn't do their job properly.

    cock holster

    English

    Alternative forms
    cock-holster

    Noun
    cock holster (plural cock holsters)

    Anything that serves as a receptacle for a man's penis during sex.

    (by extension) Mouth

    quotations:

    2009, Shea White & ?Ron White, The History of My Vagina and Other Sordid Tales:
    I really did feel sorry for the guy because all he wanted to do was hang out, get drunk and play some golf, but my sister couldn't quit flappin' her cock holster for ONE weekend.

    2015, Malcolm Brooks, Painted Horses:
    His name is Malloy but you ladies can call him the worst goddamn day of the rest of your short and pathetic life, from now on the first word out of your cock holster will be sir, the last word will be sir, and so forth.

    2016, Dev Jarrett, Little Sister, page 72:
    Till then, keep your fuckin' cock holster shut.

    (derogatory) A despised person, especially one that is weak or effeminate.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cock_holster

    And it's documented that you used it..

    So, quit lying about it...

    Are you deaf, dumb, and blind? I admitted it. I called you a "Trump cock holster." There is no reason to lie about the fact that you are a "Trump cock holster." You should really do something about your obvious reading comprehension problem. Yourg glaring ignorance regarding word meanings is only matched by your inability to comprehend the written word.

    Please enjoy posting your links. I don't click on any of them, but knock yourself out in between your frantic sucking of Comrade Trump's baby carrot.

    And for gods sake, take a bath and lose some weight.

    For a guy who doesn't believe in any god, you sure talk about them a lot, but I digress. You really should take better care of yourself... that picture you posted where you've really let yourself go, multiple chins and girth and flab bursting out all over, and your self-loathing of your body habitus is again duly noted.

    Yer really stinking up the place...

    Enough already; we all get it. You're a self-admitted whore and morbidly obese self-hating uneducated goober living in the stench of the trailer swamps in Shithole who desperately needs to win at something... anything. :)

  156. [156] 
    Michale wrote:

    But it's interesting..

    You have made it clear that YOU believe that disgusting and perverse attacks on family members is perfectly appropriate and a proper part of a political debate blog..

    And, since you have mentioned Devon on more than one occasion, according to Crack Whore Victoria's rules, that means it's perfectly acceptable to attack Devon in the most vile and disgusting ways imaginable..

    But, you need not worry... *I* am not a scumbag low life like crack whore Victoria and would never stoop to blog terrorism like that..

    But, it's interesting to know that you are completely accepting of such tactics...

    That's just sad....

  157. [157] 
    Michale wrote:

    Crack Whore Victoria,

    Blaa blaa blaa blaa...

    You are encouraged to take your miserable and pathetic fat-assed self out of the gene pool..

    You are a waste of skin and your suicide will likely prevent Global Warming all by itself..

    Do the world a favor....

  158. [158] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK We have SKYSCRAPER on TV tonight..

    Hasta ya'all man'ana

    :D

  159. [159] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale

    In case you haven't realized it yet because it's obvious you are painfully slow to catch on to anything and obviously not cognizant of what's going on here: It is you who are supplying all the "disgusting" attacks.

    I'm simply the one pointing out that your projection of your miserable life is obvious. Keep hurling the "disgusting" names, and I'll keep pointing out how it applies to you and yours. It's not at all complicated. If you think the "vile" attacks on yourself and your family are disgusting, then check your mirror for the moron who's hurling the insults.

    It's your handiwork, rube. :)

  160. [160] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    A day late, and surprisingly on time. I was wondering if in death, McCain might get some measure of unity as a fitting epitaph. It might surprise you all to hear, from my perch, I don't see a great deal that separates the two political ideologies that seethe at one-another from the dividing aisle. In fact, both the left and the right in the US are equally exasperated by the extremes in their own party's to notice the headaches of the other. I would imagine that there's more moderates between the two sides that can actually settle their differences and become agents of change. Of course, all effort come to naught if legislators keep toeing party lines in spite of their better judgement. Trump said something I thought summed his character up brilliantly...In regards to Canada, via his twitter-twatter, "We shouldn't have to buy our friends..." No, but when your friends are told they're enemies, and not the people who have thrown their lives into the grinder for your cause, they bristle at the temerity. Much like your other friends, who after stunning attack on 9/11 flew to your side and immediately, for the first time, enacted a treaty to stick by their ally in time of national shock. All the bombast and invented incredulity in the world can't blur international fact that the true nature of a good deal is that which is beneficial to both sides to their individual satisfaction. Internecine party bickering at this stage of the game is undermining all other efforts on a larger stage.
    I get that's it's Trump's style to keep people off balance while he cuts a swath through the chaos to arrive at his 'good deal', but it's a ruinous venture on a global scale. You might find yourself with a thrashed out ok deal, brokered by people who just want you to go away and stop annoying them with your bellyaching. You might walk away with the appearance of satisfaction, but you definitely walk away with the enemy you created out of thin air to get you to that point. Picking your battles, even if you know you're going to win them all, is still good advice. Certainly, picking a fight with Canada, one that no one can justify with any rationale, isn't going do anything but sow distrust, the US will still carry a surplus with Canada, as it always has...only it will have cost the price of a best friend. Canada is happy to shrug all this betrayal off, resource economies are the strongest kind, five years from now Canada will adjust the price of it's raw material, and leave it there.

    However, all this madness is borne of the chaos at home...if congress could focus on it's job of being an equal third of government, there wouldn't be this loose bull in china shop, uniting the world in contempt for irresponsible international behaviour. Isolationism in a global age is as stupid as it sounds, and not solid foreign policy, in the same way America isn't Trump INC...and if history is anything to go by, massive nation states can only file for bankruptcy one way...Ask the Germans how their last one, the one of 1939, worked out for them.

    For my part, I'll start easing up on the odd person and overlook the less niggle-some utterances. Flogging dead horses and patting burning dogs is more a hobby than a raison d'etre, anyway.

    LL&P

  161. [161] 
    neilm wrote:

    JTC [160]

    Very good point on real friends and the long term importance of allies. Also, your point that:

    You might find yourself with a thrashed out ok deal, brokered by people who just want you to go away and stop annoying them with your bellyaching. You might walk away with the appearance of satisfaction, but you definitely walk away with the enemy you created out of thin air to get you to that point.

    is likely to apply to the recent "deal" with Mexico. Mexico wanted a deal out of the way by November 1st for internal political reasons. However it isn't a very good deal, and they have two spoilers that the clown in the White House probably doesn't fully understand - one short term, one long term.

    In the short term, for all his posturing and bluster, parts of the deal require trilateral agreement, so Canada has to agree.

    In the long term the terms regarding auto parts, minimum wages, and other regulations on the auto industry means that the auto industry are going to be fighting to renegotiate the whole thing from day one. Mexico and Canada can sit and wait for either the White House to get so much pressure they have to give in, or a new resident in the White House that the auto industry and everybody else using steel in their products/processes will be screaming for.

    Mexico's politicians are too clever to laugh openly at this deal, but they must wonder just how much more they can get away with while the White House is run by an international trade neophyte.

  162. [162] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ

    You recall how it was stopped before??

    Balthasar interceded and asked Crack Whore Welfare Girl to stop with the attacks and such.. ~ Michale

    Wrong... Balthasar didn't say anything about Michale's wife or family situation that he keeps informing us about with his repetitive and whining fits of projection. Balthasar said he "loved" me -- obviously proving his superior intelligence over the board troll -- and asked: "sheath your knives, please" (or something similar) and said I didn't need them. Additionally, Balthasar also said he thought Michale should do the same. He posted it the same day Aretha Franklin died; although, I believe it might have been posted on the commentary before. I'll take my trained memory over the empty and clueless BS of Michale any day of the week.

    Then Michale responded something like, "I have never instigated anything," and proved for at least the 1000th time on the board that his memory is as short as the "baby carrot of the orange man-baby." <--- Props to you for this instant classic.

    And she complied.. And it was relatively peaceful for a few weeks.. ~ Michale

    Wrong again. It hasn't even been a few weeks since Balthasar posted it the day Aretha died... as those of us without memory problems can attest.

    The following day... repeat: the following day after Balthasar's post, Michale was right back to his regular spamming the blog with multiple entire lengthy articles of right-wing BS and hurling his usual insults toward the entire board in repetitive fashion: "party slaves," sufferers of his fictional invented bullshit syndrome, "hysterical"... same stale shit the following day and I believe referring to posters as "enemy of the people," not patriotic... the same usual shit.

    Then he posted toward Balthasar:

    Yer so full of shit yer eyes are brown. :D ~ Michale

    So I asked Balthasar how that no "personal attacks" thing was working out for him, and off Michale went insulting me and telling me that Balthasar didn't need to hear anything from me.

    I have no idea why the resident board troll incorrectly believes there was "relative peace" for a few weeks when he began his spamming and hurling of insults toward the entire board the very next day in his usual fashion. Oh, wait... yes, I do... because, to borrow and invent a new phrase, his memory is as short as the "baby carrot of the orange man-baby." <--- Props, Russ.

    Then crack whore started it up again by hurling homophobic slurs and attacking me again..

    Wrong on several levels. I don't know why Michale keeps insisting on whining about his personal problems on the board, and... as you know... "cock holster" is not a homophobic slur. It's a military term, and it means "mouth." I have used it during training of troops, and they laugh out loud when I say it. Then I use a few choice other words, and they cannot contain themselves. It breaks the ice. Before training is over, they are calling me Khaleesi, though. ;)

    Michale is obviously trying to start shit between me and you, me and Balthasar, me and whoever will believe his asinine bullshit. Same as he always does, tries to pit commenters against each other. Is anybody here naïve enough to believe Michale gives two shits about homophobic slurs or any other kind of slurs when he defends Hair Dick-Tater daily and when he's called Paula and I and other posters every name in the book and suggested that a poster kill themselves because he dishes it out daily but can't take it? Pu-leeze. :)

    He never stopped with his daily spew and attacks at the entire board using his term "ya'all." His problem is that he's spewed that regular near-daily repetitive shit of his toward everyone on this board so frequently that he mistakenly believes it is acceptable, and then he whines like a little bitch if anyone responds in kind. I know you know that, though.

    So lest anyone believes Michale has a problem with hurling personal insults when nothing could be further from the truth, let's be honest. Michale's problem is that he incorrectly believes that his form of near-daily personal insults toward the board should be accepted as perfectly normal... while at the same time he's insisting that someone else... anyone else... giving it back to him shouldn't be allowed.

    You want it to stop?? Go to the source... ~ Michale

    You did, Russ. Michale is the near-daily effing source. He spams the blog and dishes out the derogatory terms toward the group daily and then whines like a little bitch if anyone responds. He's never once stopped calling anyone/everyone on the blog a "party slave" or "hysterical" or suffering from his fabricated bullshit disease, and he does this so often that in his pathetic empty brain, that is supposed to be considered acceptable name calling that "doesn't count" as such and therefore claims he never instigates anything.

    So, as long as he keeps up that regular spew and repertoire of his and feigning ignorance regarding his standard operational daily spamming and trolling bullshit, no one need wonder why somebody/anybody might toss it back in his general direction in their chosen form. :)

  163. [163] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    [161] If discretion is the better part of valour for Trump, contrition is near in whole part to impossible.

    From what I gather from my well balanced and non-partisan news sources, is this...status quo except for the deftly created supply chain of the auto industry, a pervasive little codicil that seems to have been placed in the original agreement, as much to spread out the industry and labour costs, as it was to prevent someone from extorting the other two later on down the road. Ironically, you'll never guess at who's insistence the labour cost imbalance was central to all those years ago. It's a tricky, elegant way of ensuring the auto industry of all three nations benefits equally proportionate to its work force and overhead. Therefore, there's little or no tinkering with it. The other two issues aren't going to change much at all either...The US doesn't really have a dog in the soft-wood lumber fight, Trump thinks he does, but a 100% tariff on that is meaningless, unless the US New Build housing industry wants to double their costs. lastly, Canada would sooner invade Wisconsin and burn the dairy farmers out, than lower our national dairy standards and decimate one of the only profitable dairy industries in the western world, just because Trump doesn't understand regulatory industry standards, and that other countries take that kind of thing seriously.

    So, you have deal that was never to American detriment, as the decades long surplus the US has enjoyed bears out, an industry that pretty much can't be touched, and shouldn't be touched unless the folks in Detroit don't mind a $25 p/hr pay cut to MAGA, the laughable barrel made from dirt cheap Canadian softwood lumber over which Canada will always have the US, and an industry that isn't going to dismantle itself to fix what isn't broken. What you do have is an entire nation giving a prime minister a full-throated mandate to do as he pleases, so long as Trump gets his political comeuppance for assuming people of a sovereign nation have any reason to put up with his preposterous shit. As one pundit put it today, " Justin should ask for a certified cheque for the surplus payment when Trump signs the agreement, he isn't exactly known for his good credit" or his commitment to international agreements, I would add.

    LL&P

  164. [164] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    [162]Kick...I may be a relative newcomer, but I sussed that on the first day. Michale isn't extraordinary in his style, it's a style driven by content not substance, and certainly not verve. He's harmless enough, his talking points never evolve and they died long ago on the vine. I shouldn't get so wrapped up in all, if I were you. The invective is his way of admitting the well is dry, and kindly change the subject.

    His type are indestructible, they always have been, and will always be, even a stint in the "Room of Informational Illusions" won't Dent that mindset or Ford that stream.

    We all have our own opinions, Michale has someone else's too. That's fair.

    LL&P

  165. [165] 
    Kick wrote:

    JTC|Neil
    160|161|163

    Great posts; you are so correct. It's a shame that it's the people of our countries that will suffer the most, but the current POTUS has mental issues and is also cornered.

    Sad too that it's likely going to get much worse before it gets any better, but Trump too shall pass. :)

    A lawyer, a spy, a mob boss, and a money launderer walk into a bar. The bartender says: "You guys must be here to talk about adoption."

  166. [166] 
    neilm wrote:

    Kick [165] - har har ;)

    Another piece of news, Ford's bonds have just been downgraded to one notch above junk, and the asinine regulations are going to hurt just as the steel tariffs are really beginning to bite. I'm really, really tired of all this winning. When are the dozy people going to wake up?

    Source: https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/ford-s-bonds-crushed-on-moody-s-downgrade-to-one-notch-above-junk--8KIf7x7Ikavra9-kABQAg/

  167. [167] 
    Kick wrote:

    JTC
    164

    I may be a relative newcomer, but I sussed that on the first day.

    No such thing as a "newcomer" in my book... just different posters attempting to have an intelligent conversation about political issues while an effing illiterate moron continually spams the board, hijacks posts from one poster to another, appropriates entire articles and right-wing editorials without attribution, insults the group as a whole using the same stale invective over and over ad nauseam while either being completely clueless or feigning ignorance regarding his near-daily handiwork, all the while bragging about the posters he's run off over the years and promising he'll run off others.

    He's harmless enough, his talking points never evolve and they died long ago on the vine. I shouldn't get so wrapped up in all, if I were you.

    I'm not "wrapped up," JTC, I'm simply responding in kind. If referring to the group as "hysterical" and claiming everyone has a phony disease he invented, are "party slaves," "bigots," and using movie quotes to spew whatever language he desires is allowed to be normalized and weaponized by him on the blog, then I will respond in kind as I deem necessary. There is nothing he can say about me that bothers me in the least, particularly when 99% of his spew is merely projection of his own admitted pathetic existence.

    His type are indestructible, they always have been, and will always be, even a stint in the "Room of Informational Illusions" won't Dent that mindset or Ford that stream.

    Are you being sarcastic, JTC? No, they absolutely are not indestructible; why do you think he whines like a little bitch so much? He's never done a thing wrong; everything that ever happened to him in his miserable life can be attributed to somebody else... <---obvious sarcasm... He's got "mommy" issues, etc., believing all the regular BS about women that typical knuckle dragging Neanderthal morons like him generally believe. I could go on, but you get the picture.

    I regularly work with recruits, troops, and veterans, and I've literally heard it all... for decades, and his shit is pretty weak tea. He is what I would refer to as the quintessential and forever "aggrieved victim." He's afraid of what he knows nothing about, and he knows so very little that he's continually afraid. I chew up thin-skinned asshats like him regularly and bust their whiny asses out. His morbidly obese anatomy couldn't hang in for a quarter mile of the training I inflict; he would be left panting like a little bitch on the floor. So...

    /end rant

    LL&P

    I plan to, and I already have. :)

  168. [168] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm
    166

    OMG and holy F; they are living up to their ticker symbol over at Ford. I followed your link and another link off that link... and another and another and another. I had no idea since I thankfully do not own any.

    I do remember about a year ago doing a little research and finding out the consensus of experts was that Ford (F) was a better purchase than Tesla (TSLA). Not sure if that assessment held up because I mercifully decided on neither. Hoo boy, Neil, it's bottoming out now; time to buy it! *shakes head* No way. :)

    I'm really, really tired of all this winning. When are the dozy people going to wake up?

    I have this theory about a "turning point." Stop me if you've heard it. ;) *wink*

    Hey, Neil. Did you hear about Manafort's daughter petitioning a Court to change her last name?

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404746-manaforts-daughter-files-paperwork-to-change-last-name

    Bond... as in bail bond. ;)

  169. [169] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump Bashing at McCain/Franklin Funerals Truly Juvenile

    The Trump bashing at the John McCain and Aretha Franklin funerals was monumentally juvenile.

    But still, the bashers clearly lost by making the funerals once again about Trump. As childish as Donald can be, his detractors in politics and the media are far worse. They are more out of control than he is -- truly infantile.

    As for McCain, it’s true Trump was way out of line attacking his military service, doubly so since Donald had none to offer of his own. But McCain, whose vaunted maverick qualities often seemed motivated more by narcissism than policy, had more than got his own back on Trump. His last minute vote to save Obamacare couldn’t have been more generated by pique.

    And, far worse, though still unclear, is the senator’s role in the promulgation of the Steele Dossier. That could, as information evolves, make McCain party to an attempted coup -- not great for his historical record. At the very least, he appears to have been a useful pawn, his Trump hatred easily exploited.

    This juvenile style is not unique to American politics (see Macron and Trudeau), but it’s clearly dominating this Labor Day weekend. With all the attacks on Trump, very little is said of his actual policies. It’s one ad hominem after another, like children throwing mud. You said this. You said that. Rarely, you did that. That even George W. Bush is participating is pathetic and sadly revealing of the emotional development of our ruling class, sometimes absurdly referred to as "elites." 5/8
    https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/trump-bash-at-mccain-franklin-funerals-truly-juvenile/

    President Trump is blessed with the most stoopidest, the most moronic and the most immature of enemies..

    They make President Trump look presidential by comparison..

  170. [170] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    neilm

    Re Moodys downgrading Ford bonds - I have no interest, personal cause nor desire to dispute their ratings on Ford or anybody, but I can't help but remember that they were the same people who rated the sub-prime mortgage bonds as Triple A, were they not?

    So how much are their ratings worth??

  171. [171] 
    Michale wrote:

    As In-N-Out boycott plan flops, Dem party chief dines alone, GOP feasts
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/03/as-in-n-out-boycott-plan-flops-dem-party-chief-dines-alone-gop-feasts.html

    Dumbocrats can't even do a boycott right these days!! :D

    Matt Fleming, a spokesman for the California Republican Party, also weighed in on the issue.

    “It’s disappointing that he’s attacking a company that’s a California institution and widely regarded as a good employer,” he wrote in a tweet.

    And THAT is the problem with Dumbocrats.. They think with their Party dicks and nothing else..

    PARTY UBER ALLES

  172. [172] 
    Kick wrote:

    Remember the other day when I said I was seeing the "Trump Baby" balloons everywhere; I wasn't kidding. I believe there are now 7 giant-sized ones like the one from the United Kingdom and hundreds of thousands of other sizes.

    I spewed my Pumpkin Spice Latte this morning when somebody... without any warning whatsoever... showed me the live cam at Andy Warhol's grave:

    https://www.warhol.org/andy-warhols-life/figment/

    Hopefully the Mylar-Man-Baby doesn't get jerked off his little tether or get blown off. ;) *laughs*

  173. [173] 
    Kick wrote:

    C. R. Stucki
    170

    So how much are their ratings worth??

    I'm not Neil, but in my "honest" opinion, if I discounted every firm or person that made a mistake in their forecasts or predictions, there'd be no one left to advise me except you, right? ;)

  174. [174] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    As you see above, Victoria spewed more hate filled and intolerant bullshit filled, I am sure, with more blog terrorism and homophobic slurs..

    I won't respond to her and, you watch, she'll just escalate it with more blog terrorism, more homophobic slurs and probably throw in a racist slur for good measure... Thereby proving beyond ANY doubt that she is the perfect candidate for self-euthanasia to remove herself from the gene pool and permanently prevent her from EVER reproducing.....

    As I said above, there is 2 ways and 2 ways only this will stop and get Weigantia back to it's former glory..

    1. If the blog gods step in and stop it..

    2. If Weigantians quit being afraid of going against their Party/Ideological slavery and step up and stop it.. Balthasar proved beyond ANY doubt that *THAT* will work...

    But ONLY if it's applied to the SOURCE of the problem...

    Balthasar went to Victoria and said, "hay, can you cool it??" and for a couple weeks, it was pretty nice in here. Then the source of all the hate started up again...

    Blog gods step in or Weigantians step up...

    That's the *ONLY* way it's going to stop..

    I'll be here all day if ya want to discuss it more..

  175. [175] 
    Michale wrote:

    CRS,

    Re Moodys downgrading Ford bonds - I have no interest, personal cause nor desire to dispute their ratings on Ford or anybody, but I can't help but remember that they were the same people who rated the sub-prime mortgage bonds as Triple A, were they not?

    So how much are their ratings worth??

    Depends...

    If the ratings can be used to slam President Trump, they are worth EVERYTHING to hysterical NeverTrump morons..

  176. [176] 
    Michale wrote:

    MCCAIN’S FUNERAL TURNS INTO RESISTANCE MEETING

    Susan Glasser of the New Yorker calls John McCain’s funeral “the biggest resistance meeting yet.” I think Glasser is right, but is this a good thing?

    Glasser certainly thinks so. She seems ecstatic about it.

    McCain probably would have thought so too. He was a world class grudge holder. McCain was also capable of forgiveness, but that capacity ran in only one direction — left.

    It’s rich, though, that Meghan McCain, Barack Obama and others attempted to wax eloquent about the good old days of bipartisanship, civility, and respect, as exemplified by John McCain, while trying to stick it to the President of the United States during a funeral.

    I’n not a fan of Donald Trump the man, but I’ll say this for him: When he sticks the knife in, he doesn’t pretend to be the guardian of civility and related virtues.

    I don’t blame Meghan McCain for taking shots at President Trump. It’s clearly what her father wanted her to do, and Trump started the feud. I do blame former presidents Obama and Bush for joining in the resistance-fest.

    The political class isn’t wrong to bemoan the lack of civility and decorum constantly exhibited by President Trump. But it is wrong to do so while using a funeral to try to score political points. That’s the kind of smugness and hypocrisy that gave rise to Trump’s political success. 7/10
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/09/mccains-funeral-turns-into-resistance-meeting.php

    How pathetic...

    McCain was a great American and, in the end, the hysterical NeverTrumpers turned him into a caricature.. :(

    Sad....

    But the commentary makes a VERY good point.. Meghan McCain said (and Odumbo didn't contest it) that the McCain America was always great.. Yet, that's the America that Odumbo ran against in 2008 and back then, Odumbo said that THAT America, McCain's America needed transformation..

    Which proves what everyone else already knows..

    Odumbo is a master at talking out both sides of his ass...

  177. [177] 
    neilm wrote:

    Bond... as in bail bond. ;)

    Hilarious!

    It has to hurt when your daughter disowns you publicly like that.

  178. [178] 
    neilm wrote:

    CRS

    So how much are their ratings worth??

    So you think that Moody's have made a mistake? Fine, put you money where your mouth is and buy the bonds at a bargain price. When Moody's are proven to be wrong you'll make out like bandit.

    I'll bet you won't because, for all your self worship as a financial expert, I'd guess you probably don't know how to buy individual bonds.

  179. [179] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    Gambling's a tax on the stupid.

    Any speculation at this point is inadvisable, you can smell the stock market fear in the air. it's getting to that weight in the markets where investors start thinking it's time get while the getting's good, the NAFTA edginess could be final straw.

    Like dominoes, by Christmas NAFTA could be dead, markets could fall, Democrats trounce at the polls and Mueller steps through the rubble and smoke and starts throwing around indictments like confetti...Just as that could happen, so could, NAFTA gets resigned to much rejoicing, the markets chug along smugly, the Dems retake the house but nothing changes and Mueller, depressed that he's now a democrat, shoots himself three times in the head with Don Trump jr's Rhino hunting rifle, and with him goes his investigation.

    Happy Labour Day, and you're welcome, my ancestors broke their balls to bring it to us. Cheers to the common man/woman, regardless of party, we are what makes society great.

    LL&P

  180. [180] 
    Michale wrote:

    Any speculation at this point is inadvisable, you can smell the stock market fear in the air.

    Ya'all have been predicting Stock Market "fear" for 2 years now..

    Ya'all have ***ALWAYS*** been wrong and full of shit..

    NAFTA edginess could be final straw.

    Like dominoes, by Christmas NAFTA could be dead, markets could fall, Democrats trounce at the polls and Mueller steps through the rubble and smoke and starts throwing around indictments like confetti..

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Yea... That's what hysterical NeverTrump morons like you said **LAST YEAR**..

    When are you going to get it thru your thick hate-filled skulls..

    You are *ALWAYS* wrong when it comes to President Trump..

    Cheers to the common man/woman, regardless of party, we are what makes society great.

    And THEY are what Odumbo and the Dumbocrats shat on for 8 years which was a DIRECT cause of President Trump being elected..

    But, like I said.. You should probably pay attention to what happens in YOUR country, what with yer liberals being decimated and even losing Party status!!

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  181. [181] 
    Kick wrote:

    JTC
    179

    Any speculation at this point is inadvisable, you can smell the stock market fear in the air. it's getting to that weight in the markets where investors start thinking it's time get while the getting's good, the NAFTA edginess could be final straw.

    I know, right!? It smells like pumpkin spice, and every day that goes by is a day that gets us closer to October, and you know what that means. *cue scary music*

    Like dominoes, by Christmas NAFTA could be dead, markets could fall, Democrats trounce at the polls and Mueller steps through the rubble and smoke and starts throwing around indictments like confetti...

    I can picture that because... well, because. :)

    Just as that could happen, so could, NAFTA gets resigned to much rejoicing, the markets chug along smugly, the Dems retake the house but nothing changes and Mueller, depressed that he's now a democrat, shoots himself three times in the head with Don Trump jr's Rhino hunting rifle, and with him goes his investigation.

    Not bloody likely since "his investigation" has been scattered to courtrooms across America and shows no signs whatsoever of slowing down.

    Happy Labour Day, and you're welcome, my ancestors broke their balls to bring it to us.

    Cheers to your ancestors; weren't they striking for like a 60-hour week or something along those lines? If they could see us now, JTC.

    Cheers to the common man/woman, regardless of party, we are what makes society great.

    I'll drink to that... coffee, though. ;)

  182. [182] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    WE INTERRUPT THIS BATTLEBOTS MARATHON FOR AN IMPORTANT REMINDER TO OUR HOST:

    labor Day provides another opportunity to inform citizens aboot One Demand and to mobilize/motivate some of the 125 million eligible voters to vote in stead of staying home in 2018.

    "A Union for Politics" would be a great title for the article. You could point out that just like workers going on strike for better pay, working conditions, etc., that voters withholding their vote from Big Money candidates and casting a vote against the Big Money candidates to demand small contribution candidates in future elections is like voters going on strike to demand better candidates.

    WE NOW RETURN YOU TO OUR REGULARLY UNSCHEDULED VITRIOL

  183. [183] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    Keep an eye open for TS Gordon... Probably gonna be just a bunch of rain, but stay safe nonetheless..

  184. [184] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    neilm

    My [170] was only 5 lines, but seemingly you missed the "I have no interest to dispute . ." line. Reflects on your level of reading comprehension.

    P.S. I happen to own one single bond (a U.S. gov't one).

  185. [185] 
    Michale wrote:

    CRS

    My [170] was only 5 lines, but seemingly you missed the "I have no interest to dispute . ." line. Reflects on your level of reading comprehension.

    That's one possibility..

    The other possibility is that Neil tends to ignore anything in a comment that disputes his HHPTDS induced worldview...

  186. [186] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    [180] 'Yea... That's what hysterical NeverTrump morons like you said **LAST YEAR**..'

    More dross and bollocks from the Merchant of Penis.

    I certainly never said anything of the kind, and since Trump's debacle over NAFTA has just come to head in the last week or so, it's unlikely it was an issue last year.

    And, oh Wholly Unread and Totally Uniformed One, I don't know where you're getting your "info" from, but here in the real world, Trump has again painted himself into a corner over NAFTA. Signing, or claiming to have a tacit agreement with Mexico, was a huge blunder...One which was instantly recognised here. It put the whole agreement into default abeyance. Canada has no reason to budge, Mexico will have a new president before a pen hits a paper, and Trump won't get his bragging rights in time for the midterms...In fact what he is probably facing is an embarrassing (privately, of course, because he's the great deal maker...who has yet to make a great deal!) walk-back, in which nothing really happens except all three countries get to meet again in six years. All I see really happening is a few concessions on generic drugs, some mention of lumber and some nice ginned-up talking points that appear to look like big bonuses, but are in fact just some more silage for the kind of idiots who Trump feels need to see how well he's doing...People like you, uninformed dullards who spend more time crowing over imagined Trumpian business acumen, than they do actually taking the time to see if it's true. You know you come off as complete fool in a group of people who prefer facts over fiction. No one here believes, much less touts anything they aren't sure of, as you suggest. That's your gambit, and more fool you. Don't assume for a second that I'm not paying close attention to what's going on here, in fact, assume I'm a billion times more aware than you, you sit in some frightful little corner of the US, pontificating on subjects you can't be bothered to look into widely, in a world you don't understand beyond your blinkered and holier-than-thou American upbringing(or up dragging, your case). Take rose-coloured lensed glasses off for a few hours a day, see the world for what is, not what you think it is...otherwise, you might be in for a shock when it all collapses around your ears.

    LL&P

  187. [187] 
    Michale wrote:

    More dross and bollocks from the Merchant of Penis.

    I am flattered that my penis is on your mind... It's a little disturbing, but hay..

    If you dream about my cock, more power to ya 'nuck.. :D

    I certainly never said anything of the kind,

    And if I said YOU said it, you would have an argument.

    But I didn't, so just continue dreaming about my cock..

    And, oh Wholly Unread and Totally Uniformed One, I don't know where you're getting your "info" from, but here in the real world, Trump has again painted himself into a corner over NAFTA.

    Yea, that's yer bullshit opinion.. But it's not based on FACTS, it's only based on your hysterical and ignorant HHPTDS...

    Canada better get with the program or they are gonna be left out...

    Your leader, Trudy knows this, that's why he is getting his kneepads ready..

    .otherwise, you might be in for a shock when it all collapses around your ears.

    Yea, morons like you have been making that EXACT claim for 2 years now..

    Guess what???

    You have ***ALWAYS*** been wrong!!!

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

    So, how about the decimation of liberals in Canada??

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  188. [188] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    [187] There's no fixing stupid. Try and focus, learn to process information. I thought I made it crystal clear that couldn't care less about Canadian liberals or any liberals for that matter. I was born Labour, live Labour and will die Labour...I have no intention of explaining what that means to you. To me you are the quintessence of stupidity, things you don't understand are up for instant abuse.

    You may well be the only flaw in an otherwise perfect Darwinian theory. Not something one usually puts on a resume, but it's the only unique quality I see in you.

    LL&P

  189. [189] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    It was a hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy reference

  190. [190] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Canuck [179]

    Re your ancestors "breaking their baslls to bring (labour day) to us".

    Does that explain why there are so few of you??

  191. [191] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Oops, make that read 'balls' rather than basls.

  192. [192] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Reading your links, Michale, I get the feeling that your compadres in Trumpland were none to happy about the McCain and Franklin funerals.

    At least the second writer acknowledges: It’s clearly what [McCain wanted], and Trump started the feud.

    Yep. If Trump had a bad weekend, it was his own doing. Trump has somehow become convinced that the only allies that he (and by extension, America) needs are on the political right, both at home and internationally.

    So the lesson 'you reap what you sow', which ought to be loud and clear by now, has been drowned out in his head by the raucous clamor of his sycophants, and by the rogue regimes that embrace him on the international stage.

    Trump's raising of the South African spectre is a clear signal that he realizes that he now belongs to an international Right as well, that he's thrown his lot in with the last real remaining threat to international democracy. Authoritarianism and Nationalism aren't friendly to Democracy, and life in Putin's Russia isn't free.

    [169] And, far worse, though still unclear, is the senator’s role in the promulgation of the Steele Dossier. That could, as information evolves, make McCain party to an attempted coup --

    He's asserting that Trump could be brought down by gossip to be replaced by - Pence? Some coup. We'd be replacing incompetent maliciousness with competent maliciousness.

    [176]Although the left denies it, the America of John McCain was great. But the question is whether the American of John McCain is the America of today. Barack Obama ran against that America (and, of course, against McCain) in 2008, insisting that it needed a major transformation. Obama won. Handily.

    So the writer of this piece doesn't think that America is Great today because Obama. He must think, like Trump does, that America will be great again when every bit of Obama has been removed.

    That's nonsense, of course.

    .

  193. [193] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Just read something in an article that made me think of this:

    If the one purpose of the electoral college is to act as a safeguard to prevent the people from electing an unfit/corrupt candidate, then shouldn’t they have been notified of our intelligence community’s investigations into Trump’s ties to Russia prior to their vote?

    Wouldn’t it be prudent to give members of the EC the information that they need to fulfill their job, or is the “safeguard” role just said to make them feel special?

    Or are they given temporary security clearances to be able to receive intel reports already?

    I hope that people will remember that it was Mitch McConnell that threatened to turn the news of the FBI investigating the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia being released prior to the election into a partisan shitstorm that would split the nation!

  194. [194] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    But that's interesting: the writer in [176} is actually giving Obama a lot of credit: he's asserting that Obama not only promulgated policies he didn't like, but that he somehow transformed America.

    That's a lot. Most presidents have huge impacts on their societies, but to say that a president transformed that society is to put him on par with Lincoln.

    Of course there's a giant elephant in the corner, and that's that he was America's first black president. That's pretty transformative.

    But there's no legislative fix or executive order that "fixes" that. Erasing Obama's programs doesn't end his legacy, or make his time in office disappear. The clamor for fair policy will persist. If erasing Obama is the GOP's mission, it's on a fool's errand, one that will harm us all.

  195. [195] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Balthy,

    So the writer of this piece doesn't think that America is Great today because Obama. He must think, like Trump does, that America will be great again when every bit of Obama has been removed.

    That's nonsense, of course.

    Of course it is — everywhere but over at the FoxNews bubble of reality. I have been spending time on their chat boards, and they swear up and down that his presidency was the worst one in our nation’s history and nothing good came from it!

    You just have to remember that they believe this because the GOP has switched from debating the merits of a piece of legislation to just going with “all Democratic legislation is evil” to avoid requiring their base to have to think for themselves. Remember, these are the folks that believed Obamacare was horrible, but loved the ACA, after all!

  196. [196] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    [193] I hope that people will remember that it was Mitch McConnell that threatened to turn the news of the FBI investigating the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia being released prior to the election into a partisan shitstorm that would split the nation!

    Hate to say it, but McConnell was right. Even now that we know of dozens of ties between the Trump campaign and the Russians, evidenced in guilty pleas and sworn depositions, the Clown and his posse still deny any associations.

    On the other hand the whole affair represents a shameful downgrade in the status of our Intelligence Community, which stated unequivocally, we have really good reason to believe this, based, don't forget, on classified information that we still haven't seen. The Intelligence chiefs issued a statement to that effect. Still didn't move McConnell, or Mitch was just so hungry for power that he didn't care. I don't honestly know which is scarier.

  197. [197] 
    Michale wrote:

    Balthasar

    Reading your links, Michale, I get the feeling that your compadres in Trumpland were none to happy about the McCain and Franklin funerals.

    And what makes you think I give a rats ass what they think???

    That's nonsense, of course.

    Of course you THINK it's nonsense..

    Yet one only has to compare the state of the economy NOW as compared to under ODUMBO to know for a fact that it is NOT nonsense..

    :D

    See how simple that is??

  198. [198] 
    Michale wrote:

    But that's interesting: the writer in [176} is actually giving Obama a lot of credit: he's asserting that Obama not only promulgated policies he didn't like, but that he somehow transformed America.

    Of course Odumbo transformed America..

    He made it a shithole where normal everyday patriotic Americans were attacked and demonized at every turn..

  199. [199] 
    Michale wrote:

    Nay nuck...

    I thought I made it crystal clear that couldn't care less about Canadian liberals or any liberals for that matter.

    Yea?? And yet, you go on and on defending liberals when I comment how DECIMATED they are.. :D

    If you didn't care, why bother?? :D

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  200. [200] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Of course it is — everywhere but over at the FoxNews bubble of reality. I have been spending time on their chat boards, and they swear up and down that his presidency was the worst one in our nation’s history and nothing good came from it!

    I too spend time on Fox and get the same vibe. The subtle and not-so-subtle elements of racism in those arguments mix generously with the partisanship, as though they're one and the same. It's sad and divisive.

    What's worse, it's based on the assumption that one can eat one's political pie without association to anyone else's reality or fact set. Though there's some attempt to shape reality going on, it's mostly an attempt to deny it.

    Somehow, only our side sees the glaring flaw in that rationale. Both Clinton and Obama talked about "evidenced-based policy". Policies arrived at without regard to fact are doomed to failure.

    Some Democrats saw that coming in 2008, in the wake of the Bush Administration's relaxation of Wall Street regulation, and gutting of the SEC. They were oblivious then, too.

    Now thy want to pretend that that sorry episode of economic malpractice never happened and actually blame the guy who dug the country out of that ditch. It's mind-boggling. Leads me to dismiss the lot of them.

  201. [201] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Kick,

    Same as he always does, tries to pit commenters against each other. Is anybody here naïve enough to believe Michale gives two shits about homophobic slurs or any other kind of slurs when he defends Hair Dick-Tater daily and when he's called Paula and I and other posters every name in the book and suggested that a poster kill themselves because he dishes it out daily but can't take it? Pu-leeze. :)

    It’s a shame, I think, that he resorts to this wussy behavior. He has chosen to be a contrarian simply for the sake of being a contrarian. He has to sometimes bend over backwards to defend positions that he clearly doesn’t believe in. The intelligence it takes to do that kind of mental gymnastics would suggest that he should be able to openly debate the merits of the subject matter without needing the name calling and other diversion tactics he uses to shift the focus.

    I used to enjoy going back and forth with him on subjects, because he often brought up points I had never considered. But I think that was when he could reasonably justify taking the opposing view — Trump has virtually made that impossible to do. The vast majority of Trump supporters that I know cannot answer the most basic policy questions, because they don’t follow politics, they just accept what FoxNews tells them. Michale follows politics, and understands policy matters reasonably well — which is why he has a tough time defending Trump’s actions because they make no sense!

    He tried to argue that the police take children from their parents all the time in this country to defend Trump’s border policy. Only problem was that the children seeking asylum were taken not because they were abused or their parents had committed a serious crime — the Trump administration made it perfectly clear that the children were taken to send a message to asylum seekers that their kind are not welcome here!

    As some who counseled teens for years and who has seen firsthand the damage that words can cause, I will not remain silent when a person is told that they should kill themselves. Your attitude and strength of conviction in your comments don’t make me worry too much that his words pose any threat to you, but there are others that his words would be enough to get them to do something that they have been debating for a while. That he cannot admit that there is a big difference between talking trash and telling a person to kill themself is pathetic.

  202. [202] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Of course Odumbo transformed America..
    He made it a shithole where normal everyday patriotic Americans were attacked and demonized at every turn..

    That's bullshit and you know it, but I also think that you and your compadres believe just one glaring part of it - most Americans didn't agree with you. And it's still true today - just look at America's attitudes reflected in polls that indicate majority support for gay rights, planned parenthood, public schools, and immigration reform. Look at Trump's disapproval numbers, which haven't risen since his inauguration.

    Obama rescued America from the economic shithole that Bush left it in. No amount of denial or stomping of feet can change that fact.

  203. [203] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    I meant Trump's approval numbers.

  204. [204] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Balthy [202]

    Re the "Economic shithole that Bush left America in".

    The housing bubble did have the support of presidents of both parties(including Bush) over several yrs, because everybody thought that if house prices never decline, there's no danger in loaning mortgage money to people with bad credit, because if they default, the house can be resold and the mortgage paid off with the sale proceeds.

    But truth be known, congress played a FAR greater role in that disaster than did any president, and the prime movers behind congress doing what they did were BOTH Dems, specifically Chris Dodd and Barney Frank.

    But it's true, the bubble burst during Bush's administraqtion, so people with only the most superficial understanding of the financial crisis (basically everybody here except for this writer) invariably blame Bush exclusively.

  205. [205] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    But truth be known, congress played a FAR greater role in that disaster than did any president, and the prime movers behind congress doing what they did were BOTH Dems, specifically Chris Dodd and Barney Frank.

    Surely even someone inside the GOP bubble realizes that the Dodd-Frank bill was passed in 2010, long after the Wall Street collapse, and that its primary purpose was to prevent a re-occurrence. When the present Congress set out to repeal the bill, they got pushback from banking and Wall Street interests, who by then had decided that the bill's requirements lent stability to the markets, led to the current continuing bull market, and was far better than more draconian ideas that could have been enacted.

    In the end the Economic Growth, Regulatory Relief and Consumer Protection Act. passed and signed by President Trump merely raised the threshold from $50 billion to $250 billion for institutions deemed by the law to be 'too big to fail', rather than repeal the entire act, 99% of which is still in effect today.

  206. [206] 
    Kick wrote:

    JTC
    186

    More dross and bollocks from the Merchant of Penis.

    I like this "Merchant of Penis" descriptor of yours, but the troll won't understand that you're referring by definition to his "partiality for the particular activity." To wit:

    Otherwise, suck my dick.. ~ Michale

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/08/24/ftp497/#comment-125277

    There is no denying that he has been begging you for that particular activity; he must really like you. :)

  207. [207] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    [199] "He made it a shithole where normal everyday patriotic Americans were attacked and demonized at every turn" No, the brother, he hates the racists. Trump got blasted for using the same language calling African countries, shitholes and not wanting America to turn into one.

    [200] "I thought I made it crystal clear that couldn't care less about Canadian liberals or any liberals for that matter.
    Yea?? And yet, you go on and on defending liberals when I comment how DECIMATED they are.. :D
    If you didn't care, why bother?? :D
    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

    As I said, you can't fix stupid. (with all the super glue and duct tape,it might be fun to try,)

    can you show me where you see my defense of anything in the above paragraph...Unless I'm reading different words to you, I don't see it...I do see I missed an 'I' before couldn't, but its omission doesn't change the statement.

    If you can, it might explain a lot, if you can't, it explains nothing.

    LL&P

  208. [208] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    [207] My hopes are never high for him to catch the subtlest of things said. He does seem to bring it up a lot. No matter, we all need a hobby. Too bad we are exposed to several of the more unpleasant ones, while here.

    LL&P

  209. [209] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Balthy

    You obviously missed my entire point in response to your "Shithole that Bush left behind" thing.

    Chris Dodd and Barney Frank were the two people who pushed Fannie and Freddie and the commercial banks to accepting mortgage loans from folks with bad credit, which inflated the housing bubble and led to the financial crisis, and both are Dems, but you still lable the bursting of the bubblw as "the shithole Bush left behind.

    Do you not see any problem with that? And the fact that Dodd and Frank got their names attached to something designed to prevent another bubble identical to the one they caused themselves has nothing to do with it.

  210. [210] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Sheesh. "The man who invented the Total Perspective Vortex did so basically in order to annoy his wife."

  211. [211] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ
    193

    I know, right!? You ask a lot of great questions. Unless something has changed recently, I believe that modern-day electors are no more informed than the general public and simply award their electoral votes to the candidate selected by the voters of the states they represent.

    I hope that people will remember that it was Mitch McConnell that threatened to turn the news of the FBI investigating the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia being released prior to the election into a partisan shitstorm that would split the nation!

    McConnell denies it. He wouldn't lie to cover something up, would he?

    https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/05/08/putins-proxies-helped-funnel-millions-gop-campaigns

  212. [212] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Balthy,

    On the other hand the whole affair represents a shameful downgrade in the status of our Intelligence Community, which stated unequivocally, we have really good reason to believe this, based, don't forget, on classified information that we still haven't seen. The Intelligence chiefs issued a statement to that effect.

    To me, former CIA Director Brennan instantly jumping into the political forefront that he had spent his career avoiding is best explained this way: he knows things that would have prevented Trump from being elected if it were made public. It must kill him to watch Trump go after members of the intelligence community who have embarrassed Putin in their service to our country, picking them off one by one. When you read the work histories for Ohr, Strzok, McCabe, and Comey, you can’t help but notice how each of them played major roles in combating the Russian mafia.

    If the indictments filed so far are any indication, then Mueller’s final report is going to be incredibly detailed and damaging to Trump’s “empire”. Trump sold his soul for tacky gold!

  213. [213] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ
    201

    The vast majority of Trump supporters that I know cannot answer the most basic policy questions, because they don’t follow politics, they just accept what FoxNews tells them.

    I can attest to that. The Trump voters I know repeat the same thing over and over like useful idiots as if on cue regardless of the subject matter: "Economy good under Trump; economy bad under Obama." Of course, it's not that simple, but Fox "News" has done its job and spoon fed them a steady diet of that "simple" bullshit that allowed them to cease all manner of critical thinking, and they then regurgitate it on cue ad nauseam. I guess it's infinitely easier for them to free themselves from critically thinking and surrender their brains to the bubble. I ask my Trumper friends to give me a call when their bubble bursts and they are free from the grips of propaganda. I'm getting calls lately. They are coming around slowly.

    He tried to argue that the police take children from their parents all the time in this country to defend Trump’s border policy. Only problem was that the children seeking asylum were taken not because they were abused or their parents had committed a serious crime — the Trump administration made it perfectly clear that the children were taken to send a message to asylum seekers that their kind are not welcome here!

    The false equivalency and outright fabrication is another means to avoid thinking. The cognitive dissonance, whataboutism, and pretzel logic are stunning.

    As some who counseled teens for years and who has seen firsthand the damage that words can cause, I will not remain silent when a person is told that they should kill themselves.

    Isn't it pathetic? A so-called "law enforcement officer" who'd post this type of spew on a public forum with nary a thought to the consequences tells you everything you need to know, but gaslighters of his variety don't care that words have consequences. Hopefully no one else out there is taking his bullshit seriously. I know his pathetic history so I just laugh my ass off.

    That he cannot admit that there is a big difference between talking trash and telling a person to kill themself is pathetic.

    The perpetually aggrieved need somebody besides themselves to blame; when the facts aren't on their side, they look to gaslight, demonize, and delegitimize... pretty standard stuff these days. Trump is in that same lane. Sad really.

  214. [214] 
    Kick wrote:

    C. R. Stucki
    204

    But it's true, the bubble burst during Bush's administraqtion, so people with only the most superficial understanding of the financial crisis (basically everybody here except for this writer) invariably blame Bush exclusively.

    I missed the part where Balthasar blamed Bush "exclusively." Oh, right; that's because he didn't. The fact that you are imagining the part of the post you are taking issue with blows about a thousand holes in your claim to your superior intellect. Just saying. :)

  215. [215] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Kick

    Balthy characterized the financial crisis resulting from the collapse of the housing bubble as "the shithole left behind by Bush".

    He sure as hell did NOT say 'Left behind by Bush and many Democrats', so that pretty much implies exclusively by Bush, does it not?

  216. [216] 
    Michale wrote:

    Balthasar,

    That's bullshit and you know it,

    Actually, it's factually accurate and YOU know it..

    Race relations got TONS worse under Odumbo..

    Odumbo called cops "stupid" for doing their jobs..

    Why do you think President Trump got elected??

    Because Odumbo led Democrats in shitting on the American Middle Class and the American Middle Class fought back by kicking Democrats out of office all up and down the board (over 1000) and then culminated their counter-attack in electing President Trump..

    These are the FACTS that no amount of your spin will change..

    Look at Trump's disapproval numbers, which haven't risen since his inauguration.

    Actually, they have risen and fallen.. Just like Odumbo's numbers..

    So, using YOUR OWN "logic" everything you say about President Trump, applies to Odumbo..

    Do you REALLY want to go with that argument??

    Obama rescued America from the economic shithole that Bush left it in. No amount of denial or stomping of feet can change that fact.

    Actually, I don't need denial or feet stomping.. Just FACTS..

    Democrats had more to do with the state of the economy when Odumbo took over than Bush did..

    But, of course, Party slaves can't admit that....

  217. [217] 
    Kick wrote:

    C. R. Stucki
    215

    Balthy characterized the financial crisis resulting from the collapse of the housing bubble as "the shithole left behind by Bush".

    No, he absolutely did not. In point of fact, Balthasar wasn't even specifically discussing the "financial crisis resulting from the collapse of the housing bubble" at all... that is until you interjected, of course. He was just generally discussing the economy as a whole and stated, and I quote:

    Obama rescued America from the economic shithole that Bush left it in. ~ Balthasar

    I would wager that you read this general discussion of the economy and recognized your opening to turn it into one of your favorite subjects, that of the "financial crisis resulting from the collapse of the housing bubble." It was at that point that you seized upon your opening and then set about mischaracterizing Balthazar's post. For whatever reason many of us on the board cannot fathom, you genuinely believe you possess superior knowledge above all others regarding that issue, and again I quote:

    But it's true, the bubble burst during Bush's administraqtion, so people with only the most superficial understanding of the financial crisis (basically everybody here except for this writer) invariably blame Bush exclusively.

    It was likely for this reason that you set about turning Balthasar's general discussion of the economy into a discussion regarding the collapse of the housing bubble that you believe you are uniquely qualified to lecture the group, and therefore set about claiming that Balthasar blamed "Bush exclusively," when he, in fact, did nothing of the sort.

    He sure as hell did NOT say 'Left behind by Bush and many Democrats', so that pretty much implies exclusively by Bush, does it not?

    No, it does not; the implication was all your handiwork (see above).

    Excuse me for stating the obvious, but you seem to be working really hard to blow multiple holes into your claim of possessing a superior intellect. :)

  218. [218] 
    Paula wrote:

    [151] Russ:
    I will remind you that when you were attacking and mocking Paula for taking anti-depressants, that I asked you to stop that as well. Mocking someone who is suffering from an illness was quite OK with you, but I find it repulsive and cowardly.

    For the record, I don't and have never taken anti-depressants - not that there's anything wrong with that! I'm not and never have been diagnosed with depression or any other mental/emotional illness. Since I generally block the troll I don't read whatever nonsense he spins about me, but I do read Russ and Kick, Neilm, etc.

    My revulsion, horror and despair at Blotus' "election" wasn't the result of depression, it was a genuine response to an existential disaster. There were millions of us who knew what Blotus was and would be and reacted accordingly. We didn't need months of evidence to pile up before we were convinced, we predicted how horrible a POTUS he would be. And we mourned.

    Then we started resisting.

  219. [219] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Kick

    Never have I claimed to have a "superior intellect" - only superior comprehension and superior understanding of economic matters.

    You're doing for "intellect" what you claim I was doing for Balthy about "blaiming Bush exclusicely".

  220. [220] 
    Kick wrote:

    C. R. Stucki
    219

    Never have I claimed to have a "superior intellect" - only superior comprehension and superior understanding of economic matters.

    Oh, CRS... *shakes head*. If only "comprehension" and "understanding" weren't synonyms of "intellect," you would have valid point, but they are... so you don't.

    https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/intellect

    You're doing for "intellect" what you claim I was doing for Balthy about "blaiming Bush exclusicely".

    Wrong again, CRS. For one thing, I didn't misspell those words I quoted above that you quoted, and for another thing: This "superior comprehension" and "superior understanding" you (for whatever reason) believe you possess are just two other ways to imply that you have a "superior intellect." Now, had I spun what you said and claimed you possessed this superior intellect "exclusively," you would have a point, but I didn't... so you don't.

    So to recap: Using words that are synonymous with my claim and agreeing with me are a surefire way to making my point and blowing multiple holes into your own, but thank you for playing. :)

  221. [221] 
    Kick wrote:

    Paula
    218

    For the record, I don't and have never taken anti-depressants - not that there's anything wrong with that! I'm not and never have been diagnosed with depression or any other mental/emotional illness. Since I generally block the troll I don't read whatever nonsense he spins about me, but I do read Russ and Kick, Neilm, etc.

    And we miss you! But I would wager you're busy as hell because it's..... drumroll..... midterms!

    Everyone knows the troll just makes shit up and repeats it so often that it's supposed to be considered an "acceptable" personal attack because it's him the one that's doing the attacking so it ain't supposed to count. I remember a time when he accused me of having a "breakdown and subsequent recovery" because he said he confused me with you. #Pathetic

    His idea of "civility" is saying something nice about a poster while continuing to insult other posters. #Pathetic #Sad

    I also remember a time when Elizabeth would gripe about "language" while playing tag team and allowing Michale to pop off however he wished... as long as he was popping off in your (or my) general direction.

    [74] Kick wrote:

    Paula
    67

    I've often thought the two of you made a cute couple! Although I suspect Liz would be horribly disappointed with the spigot in reality. It would be like Stormy Daniel's comments about Blotus "chasing her around the room in his tightie-whities".

    *LOL*

    OMG, can you imagine letting that needy propagandizing praise-seeking gluttonous soul-sucking vomitus mass anywhere near you?

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/01/16/playing-the-shutdown-game/#comment-114285

    Oh, how incredibly ambiguous of me; was I referring to Trump or Michale?! ;)

    My revulsion, horror and despair at Blotus' "election" wasn't the result of depression, it was a genuine response to an existential disaster. There were millions of us who knew what Blotus was and would be and reacted accordingly. We didn't need months of evidence to pile up before we were convinced, we predicted how horrible a POTUS he would be.

    Exactly right, and Paula... I hope you're seeing out there what I'm seeing... they're coming around... just some a little slower than others! I see a turning point.

    Stay safe, hope you are well, come back when you can, but in the meantime... keep kicking ass out there! :)

  222. [222] 
    Paula wrote:

    [221] Kick: I hope you're seeing out there what I'm seeing... they're coming around... just some a little slower than others! I see a turning point.

    Yep! The only question is how high are the barriers erected by the repubs via gerrymandering and voter suppression? Those are the wildcards that could allow the GOP to retain power in November. The wave has to be BIG because we have to overcome additional and illegitimate hurdles. But it has been heartening to see an increasing majority of Americans reject Blotus and his followers. Our democracy is tattered right now, but not decimated and that is because good people from all corners of this country said "no" to the Orange-Dictator-wanna-be and his enablers.

    Vive la résistance!

  223. [223] 
    Kick wrote:

    Paula
    222

    Yep! The only question is how high are the barriers erected by the repubs via gerrymandering and voter suppression?

    Exactly. I'm also concerned about so much BS emanating from the direction of the Orange Blowhole that people begin to get beat down and tired... believing their vote doesn't matter: Apathy and despair. :(

    If enough "apathy" sets in on top of gerrymandering and voter suppression, that could play a factor with turnout. Time will tell, but I am ever the optimist.

    So nice to "see" you, Paula. Go get 'em! :)

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