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Friday Talking Points [492] -- Super Callous Fragile Ego Trump You Are Atrocious

[ Posted Friday, July 13th, 2018 – 17:57 PDT ]

We certainly can't claim authorship for that rather brilliant title. It was seen on a protest sign in the midst of the 100,000 people who marched in London in opposition to President Donald Trump's visit to Britain. Accompanying the march was a giant "Trump Baby" blimp floating in the breeze, which depicted Trump in diapers with a cell phone in his tiny, tiny hand. The wranglers of the blimp all wore outfits with "Trump Babysitter" written on them, for extra emphasis. Where is Mary Poppins, when you need her the most?

The organizer of the blimp protest, Leo Murray, said he decided on the blimp because "we wanted to cheer people up." He added that it "would be an effective form of protest against Donald Trump, because he's famously vulnerable to personal insults." So how did it all work out? Trump responded in an interview with The Sun newspaper: "I guess when they put out blimps to make me feel unwelcome, no reason for me to go to London. I used to love London as a city. I haven't been there in a long time. But when they make you feel unwelcome, why would I stay there?" In other words, it worked out brilliantly. Murray agreed: "It's worked out spectacularly well. We've basically run him out of London. He's got the message: He's not wanted here."

But back to the rest of the week, which was a busy one, politically-speaking. It began with Trump's nomination to the Supreme Court and ended with the announcement of the indictment of another 12 Russians by Bob Mueller's team (bringing the total to 35 indictments, with 5 guilty pleas already. During the week, we saw Trump essentially make a fool of himself at the NATO meeting, the North Koreans make a fool of Mike Pompeo, and F.B.I. agent Peter Strzok make a fool of all the Republicans in Congress who keep trying to fit square pegs in round holes.

Chuck Schumer was all over the indictment news, responding less than an hour after the announcement: "President Trump should cancel his meeting with Vladimir Putin until Russia takes demonstrable and transparent steps to prove that they won't interfere in future elections." He added: "Glad-handling with Vladimir Putin on the heels of these indictments would be an insult to our democracy."

Speaking of people indicted by Mueller, Paul Manafort's attorneys displayed an astonishing amount of incompetence this week. Manafort, of course, has been stuck in jail after he attempted some ham-handed witness-tampering in advance of his two federal trials. But he's not exactly breaking rocks in the hot sun or anything, since he has plenty of VIP privileges: "a private, self-contained living unit, which is larger than other inmates' units, his own bathroom and shower facility, his own personal telephone and his own workspace to prepare for trial." He's not required to wear a prison uniform, and also has a personal laptop. Manafort has even developed a workaround to the rule that he's not allowed to send emails -- his lawyers shuttle a second laptop in and out of the facility, and after Manafort composes his emails, his lawyers later hook the machine up to the internet and send them for him. So, like we said, not exactly workin' on the chain gang or anything.

Even so, Manafort's lawyers complained and asked the judge to transfer him to a closer facility, since they had to drive for two hours to visit their client. When the judge granted their request, however, Manafort's lawyers had a change of heart and argued that he shouldn't be transferred, because "after further reflection, issues of distance and inconvenience must yield to concerns about his safety and, more importantly, the challenges he will face in adjusting to a new place of confinement." In other words: "We didn't mean it, we call takebacks!"

The judge was not amused, and denied the second request, stating: "It is surprising and confusing when counsel identifies a problem and then opposes the most logical solution to that problem. The dissonance between defendant's motion to continue and motion opposing transfer to the Alexandria Detention Center cannot easily be explained or resolved." So Manafort had to change jails anyway, which resulted in a rather embarrassing mug shot being released to the public. Poor Paul!

But let's return to Trump's big foreign policy week. Trump tried his "talking tough" approach to all of America's allies once again at the NATO meeting, which resulted in nothing more than an epidemic of eye-rolling among all the other participants. At the end, Trump loudly declared victory, even though he had not budged the status quo one inch. That's OK, because in Trump's mind he did, and that's all he really cares about. Just to be sure everyone knew this, he repeated the line: "I'm a very stable genius" to the media.

Representative Ted Lieu won the foreign policy week on Twitter, after he tweeted to Trump: "Dear @POTUS: In light of your comments about #NATO today, here's a simple one page memo with pictures and colors to remind you who our allies are." A photo was attached with images of Germany's and NATO's flags, with the heading: "Allies of the U.S. (also, did not attack us during the 2016 election)." Below this was a Russian flag with the heading: "NOT allies of the U.S. (attacked us during the 2016 election)."

But Trump wasn't the only White House figure having a disastrous foreign policy week. There was Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who was supposed to meet with the North Koreans to start to define some details of the vague Singapore agreement. He utterly failed in this task, which is not too surprising. First, Kim Jong Un snubbed him in order to visit a potato farm instead. Then, the North Koreans taunted Pompeo to his face, and finally they badmouthed him unmercifully after the meeting was done (and after Pompeo had declared he had made lots of progress to the press). Pompeo was excoriated by the North Koreans as being "gangster-like" and "cancerous," which isn't exactly a positive development.

Not to be outdone, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin appeared before Congress and admitted that, in the midst of Trump's ever-escalating trade war with China, the trade talks with China had completely "broken down." Mnuchin essentially said the ball is now in China's court and they're the ones who must offer up concessions. China responded by accusing America of "acting erratically" and insisting on fighting a trade war rather than negotiating. Tired of all the winning yet, Trump voters? Oh, and how is that futures market for soybeans looking now, hmm?

Of course, the Republican Senate is too timid to actually do anything to rein Trump in. Instead of directly challenging Trump's authority, they instead passed a milquetoast non-binding "sense of the Senate" resolution nagging Trump for using national security as a pathetically-thin excuse for unilaterally waging this trade war. Trump must be quaking in his boots over that, right? Sigh.

Of course, all sorts of other things were going on in the political world, so we're just going to have to whip through them in abbreviated fashion (as this is running too long already).

FEMA finally admitted what everyone with eyes could see: that they had royally screwed up their response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico. According to an after-action report just released, FEMA didn't have enough people, didn't have enough aid supplies, couldn't handle the logistics, and had no idea of the true scope of the disaster. According to Trump at the time, of course, FEMA's response rated a "10 out of 10," and "was nothing like Katrina." Turns out he was right -- it was far worse than Katrina.

Mark Short, the White House's legislative affairs director, announced he's going to retire. Short has been with Trump since the beginning of his term, and anyone who has seen him on television knows he's a lot more intelligent in how he defends Trump than people like Sarah Huckabee Sanders or Kellyanne Conway ever could hope to be. But he's moving on now, like many other competent people who left before him.

It was reported that Jared Kushner still doesn't have the highest security clearance, which begs the question why he was denied such top clearance. Something we still haven't heard about, perhaps?

Trump's personal driver just sued him for thousands of dollars of unpaid overtime, adding one more lawsuit to the already-growing stack. Speaking of people suing Trump, Stormy Daniels was arrested in Ohio for her actions at a strip club, but then immediately released when no charges were filed. It sure got her name back in the news, though, meaning the detectives who arrested her (out of political spite, it appears) saw their whole plan backfire spectacularly.

Democrats are once again widening their lead in the generic congressional polling, and the gap now stands at 8.4 percent in their favor. This could be good news for the big blue wave in November. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, rather astonishingly, won another primary, in the House district next door to the one she's actively running in. She won a third-party nomination by getting nine write-in votes, so it's not that momentous a deal, but even so it's an amusing footnote!

One disgusting note from the Republican side of the campaign -- a San Bernardino County prosecutor had to be placed on leave after it was revealed that he had posted the following comment on social media about Representative Maxine Waters: "Being a loud-mouthed c#nt in the ghetto you would think someone would have shot this bitch by now." Nothing like that famous Republican outreach to minorities and women, eh?

And we close with a good old-fashioned "it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy" feel-good story. Paul Ryan reported that his Chevy Suburban was now defunct, after a family of woodchucks ate through the car's wiring. "My car was eaten by animals," Ryan reported. "It's just dead." Somewhere, Mother Nature is doubled over, laughing hysterically.

 

Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week

We're just going to assume, for the sake of this award, that Peter Strzok is a Democrat. He certainly sounds like one, in his tweets to his girlfriend, that's for sure, and the Republicans are sure treating him like one, so that is qualification enough for us, at least.

Peter Strzok wins the Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week for not shirking from a big political fight. When he emerged at the center of House Republicans' conspiracy theories (which, believe it or not, go something like: "An F.B.I. agent talked about politics with his girlfriend, therefore Bob Mueller's investigation is totally illegitimate and should be stopped forthwith"), he declared himself eager to rebut the nonsensical charges flung willy-nilly against him. He did not wait for a subpoena, but declared he was more than willing to testify in front of any congressional committee that wanted to hear from him -- voluntarily, and publicly. That's what set up this week's confrontation, which was one of the wildest congressional hearings in recent memory. We had House Republicans sanctimoniously deciding that they cared once again about extramarital affairs [pause for laughter], and we had Democrats fighting back hard. After Louie Gohmert castigated Strzok for his "little smirk" by attacking him for his affair, Democrats erupted in disgust, with one yelling to Gohmert: "You need your medication."

During the course of the hearing, Republicans bizarrely threatened Strzok with contempt charges because he wouldn't answer specific questions about an ongoing investigation, and then later refused Democratic demands to release all of Strzok's former testimony (which was given in a closed session) because it was part of an ongoing investigation by the committee.

Throughout the entire hearing, Strzok more than held his own against the Republican conspiracy-mongering. No wonder he was so confident of appearing before them -- he proved he was well up to the task, and more.

His own testimony totally discredited the entire storyline the Republicans have talked themselves into believing, in fact, as the Washington Post helpfully pointed out:

In a written statement offered before he testified before the House Oversight Committee on Thursday, Strzok pointedly noted that there was no effort on his part to keep Trump from winning the White House -- and, further, that he was one of only a few people who could have potentially leaked details from the investigation in an effort to block Trump's victory.

"In the summer of 2016," Strzok wrote, "I was one of a handful of people who knew the details of Russian election interference and its possible connections with members of the Trump campaign. This information had the potential to derail, and quite possibly, defeat Mr. Trump. But the thought of exposing that information never crossed my mind."

This is a nearly impossible point to rebut.

. . .

Since Americans only learned about the scale of the investigation into the Trump campaign after the campaign was over, it's been common to look at Strzok's obviously anti-Trump texts in the context of what we know now. Put another way, there's been a concerted effort to explain away precisely the contradiction that Strzok notes: If he didn't want Trump to win, why didn't he do something to keep Trump from winning? (And by extension, why do something that seemed very likely to hurt Clinton's chances?)

. . .

If you were an F.B.I. agent in possession of information about how an adviser to Trump's campaign knew about the existence of emails stolen by the Russians that disparaged Clinton, or who knew about the extent of the relationship between Trump's former campaign chairman and Russian interests, or who knew that there was an active surveillance operation underway targeting another former adviser to the campaign, or who knew God-knows-what-else the F.B.I. knows that hasn't been made public -- why would you not interject that information in the few days before the election as the results were obviously tightening?

In other words, just like millions of other Americans at the time, Strzok was merely venting his frustration to his girlfriend. If he had been dedicated to Trump's downfall (as the Republicans have charged), then why didn't he do anything about it, when he had a prime opportunity to do so?

For utterly undermining the GOP conspiracy theory in such unruffled style and for making so many Republican heads explode during the hearing, Peter Strzok is easily our Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week.

[Peter Strzok is still employed by the F.B.I., but his is not a political job, and our policy is not to provide contact information for non-political federal workers, so you'll have to search for contact information for him on your own if you'd like to let him know you appreciate his efforts.]

 

Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week

This goes beyond disappointing to downright disturbing. Here's the whole sordid story, so far:

Archie Parnell resisted calls that he end his U.S. House candidacy in South Carolina after a local newspaper revealed in May that he had beaten his first wife in 1973. His two paid staff members quit. But the Democrat, who had attracted national attention after performing surprisingly well in a 2017 special election, stayed in the race, insisting he was "not the same person" his first wife divorced for "acts of physical cruelty."

But six former paid Parnell staffers who spoke to HuffPost anonymously to protect their employment prospects described a candidate still plagued by a hair-trigger temper that occasionally caused them to fear for their physical safety.

"I was not surprised at all when I saw the [divorce] documents," said one of the former aides. "I was surprised about the details. But to see that Archie could lose his temper and act out in an irrational way did not surprise me at all."

The ex-staff members compared Parnell to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. One moment he was normal; the next he was unleashing on a staffer for a perceived slight.

. . .

The candidate "did not seem to think this behavior was a problem and that's what really struck me about it," said a former aide who witnessed his explosive temper more than once. "There was never any remorse that I saw, anyway."

In the 1973 abuse incident, Parnell broke into a friend's home and struck his then-wife, Kathleen Parnell. Kathleen Parnell's divorce filings stated that their marriage had deteriorated "by reason of certain difficulties and differences caused by [Parnell's] unwarranted accusations" against her.

After breaking into the apartment, where Kathleen had been hiding from him, Parnell made "further accusations" against his then-wife before beating her "with such force as to cause her acute physical injury," according to the filing. He found Kathleen on a second occasion that night and struck her again, the filing said.

Is this really the candidate that Democrats should be getting behind in the era of #MeToo? No, it is not. For past violence against women and present uncontrollable hotheadedness, Archie Parnell is easily our Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week.

[Our blanket policy is to not provide candidate information, so you'll also have to search for Archie Parnell's contact information if you'd like to let him know what you think of his actions.]

 

Friday Talking Points

Volume 492 (7/13/18)

Somewhat of an eclectic set of talking points this week, from how Democrats should be campaigning for the midterms, to Republicans denouncing their own president, to Joe Scarborough's amazing real-time fact-checking of Trump. Sit back, buckle up, and enjoy the ride!

 

1
   They're screwing us all

Things are heating up in the House over a bill introduced this week to abolish ICE and hand over its duties to other agencies. Paul Ryan reacted with glee, promising to hold a vote on the bill, because he thinks it'll hurt Democrats politically in the midterms. Frank Sharry, executive director of America's Voice, offered up a talking point to rebut how Republicans "want to define Democrats as for 'illegals' and against you." We thought it was an excellent way to redirect the subject back to what Democrats are actually running on, so we reproduced it in full:

Trump is putting children in cages and breaking up immigrant families. We're going to stand up for immigrants and for you. Republicans are dehumanizing immigrants to distract from the fact that they're screwing all of us, by lining the pockets of billionaires with tax cuts and threatening health care and education for all.

 

2
   Rubbing salt in the wound

We thought we'd take Sharry's lead and run with it, for the next two talking points.

"The Trump administration is adding insult to injury to the parents whose children have been forcibly removed from them. By Tuesday of this week, they were supposed to have reunited the 100 children under the age of five years old with their parents. The Trump administration was supposed to do so with public reunions of the families, but then backtracked and did them in secret. They only managed to reunite something like half the toddlers with their parents, and -- just to rub salt in the wound -- after removing these youngsters from their parents and shipping them thousands of miles away, the parents had to pay for their own travel expenses to be reunited with their children, rather than having their children returned to them where they currently were. The A.C.L.U. has filed a court case challenging this extortionate situation, which is just wrong and cruel -- like everything else about Trump's policy of forcibly splitting up refugee families. The distinctions between what Trump is doing and outright kidnapping continue to shrink."

 

3
   Trump doesn't want your family to have health insurance

Democrats should practice pivoting to health care, because that's the field they really should be fighting this midterm election on.

"Donald Trump doesn't want you or your family to have health insurance. He's proven this time and time again, as he works to undo all the good things that Obamacare has brought. From joining a lawsuit to overturn the protections for those with pre-existing conditions to actively keeping people in the dark about their options, Trump is doing everything he can to destroy the healthcare system. This week, it was just announced that the budget for grants to inform people of how to sign up on the Obamacare exchanges would be slashed to the bone. The last year President Obama was in office, the government spent $62.5 million in grants to help people obtain the health insurance they had a right to. Last year, Trump cut this budget to $36.8 million, while slashing the budget for advertising by 90 percent. This year, Trump will further decimate this budget to only $10 million -- a total reduction of almost 85 percent. Republicans from Trump on down have shown over and over again what their true goal is when it comes to healthcare -- they don't want you to know your options, because they really don't want you to have health insurance. If you value your family's healthcare, vote Democratic in November."

 

4
   Putin is America's enemy

These next two talking points actually come from prominent Senate Republicans. The first is from John McCain, who was horrified at Trump's performance during the NATO meeting. McCain minces no words in telling the president what he thinks:

Putin is not America's friend, nor merely a competitor. Putin is America's enemy -- not because we wish it so, but because he has chosen to be. The president's task is to reverse his disturbing tendency to show America's adversaries the deference and esteem that should be reserved for our closest allies.... It is up to President Trump to hold Putin accountable for his actions during the meeting in Helsinki. Failure to do so would be a serious indictment of his stewardship of American leadership in the world.

 

5
   I don't worry about Robert Mueller

This next one is from former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who is not happy at all over Trump's repeated attacks on Bob Mueller. This is fairly long for a talking point, but the entire essay was so strong it was hard to pare down. Also please note, this was written before the most recent 12 indictments were handed down, so Frist's number is already outdated.

It isn't easy to tell a president of your own party that he is wrong. But the assault on [Special Counsel Robert] Mueller's investigation does not help the president or his party. When Trump talks about firing the special counsel or his power to pardon himself, he makes it seem as though he has something to hide. The president must remember that only Mueller's exoneration can lift the cloud hanging over the White House.

The special counsel's investigation is not about Trump. It is about our national security. Every American should be rooting for Mueller's success in determining precisely how Russia interfered in our fundamental democratic process. I had no illusions about the Soviet Union during the Cold War, and I have none about [Vladimir] Putin now. Mueller's most recent court filings indicate that Putin is seeking to meddle in this year's elections. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats and F.B.I. Director Christopher A. Wray -- all Trump appointees confirmed by the Republican-led Senate -- have also warned of foreign interference. We should heed these warnings and empower Mueller to see his important work through to its conclusion.

I have worried over the years about runaway legal authority, and I've battled against activist judges. I don't worry about Robert Mueller. He is a lifelong Republican with a career of distinguished service running the Criminal Division of the Justice Department for President Ronald Reagan and serving as President George W. Bush's F.B.I. director, twice unanimously confirmed by the Senate. And his investigation is getting results: By any objective standard, he has moved swiftly, obtaining 23 indictments and five guilty pleas in just more than a year.

 

6
   Morning Joe tries something new

Joe Scarborough decided to try something new, during Trump's impromptu press conference at the NATO meeting. He decided to fact-check the president in real time, breaking into the audio of what Trump was saying to rebut his many and obvious falsehoods. We've reproduced two of these below, both of which are notable for the stark language used. The first was in response to Trump stating that NATO member contributions were headed down (before Trump knocked their heads), and the second was in response to Trump's repeated claim that Ronald Reagan didn't win Wisconsin in the 1984 election, and that you had to go back to Eisenhower to find a Republican who had won the state. The only problem with this novel approach to countering Trump's lies is that while Scarborough was interrupting, Trump could have been telling more whoppers -- sort of a reductio ad absurdum situation. Still, he's to be commended for the effort, and we hope other news personalities decide to copy it.

In response to Trump on NATO contributions:

Actually what the president just said there about all of the contributions going down is a lie. They continued to go up under Barack Obama.... He was lying when he said that. Back to the president.

And in response to Trump's better-than-Reagan boasting:

The president, of course, wrong again. I don't know how many times he can get this wrong. In 1984, Ronald Reagan won 49 states, including Wisconsin. He only lost to Walter Mondale's Minnesota. The president continuing to lie about basic election results, American results. Ronald Reagan, again, for the 15th time, White House staff: Ronald Reagan won Wisconsin in 1984. Richard Nixon won Wisconsin as well. You don't have to go back to Dwight Eisenhower. Again, he once again lies about election results. Now back to the president's press conference, already in progress.

 

7
   Three out of four times, Trump is lying

Not to be outdone, the Washington Post did a deep dive into a recent Trump rally in Montana.

"Joe Scarborough is right to flat-out call Trump's lies exactly what they are. In fact, more people should do so on a regular basis. The Washington Post just analyzed Trump's most-recent political rally in Montana, and found that out of 98 factual statements Trump made (without even counting duplicate statements), a full 76 percent of them were 'false, misleading, or unsupported by evidence.' Out of almost 100 statements, 45 were flat-out false, 25 were misleading, and four were unsupported by any evidence. That sounds about right -- whenever Trump speaks, fully three out of every four things he says are lies. That's a good yardstick for the media to keep in mind, when covering him."

-- Chris Weigant

 

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228 Comments on “Friday Talking Points [492] -- Super Callous Fragile Ego Trump You Are Atrocious”

  1. [1] 
    TheStig wrote:

    Too bad there weren't more "Baby Trump" blimps floating over London, like barrage balloons during "The Blitz." I'm confident somebody will, or already has, implemented this idea with PhotoShop.

  2. [2] 
    rjrap wrote:

    https://mashable.com/2018/07/13/zdf-heute-show-trump-blimp-edits/#XQIqqWSSDZqH

    Baby Trump. Wait until it loads. It took a bit on my laptop.

  3. [3] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Is that something you expect me to click on?

  4. [4] 
    rjrap wrote:

    Well.....yeah. Is there a problem? Its spam free.

  5. [5] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Who is up to the task of doing the persuading, John?

    Apparently, not Democrats..

    You see, for the hysterical Left Wingery, there is no different in Trump supporters and Trump voters..

    According to Democrats, if you voted for Trump, you are the enemy and are vilified and attacked incessantly..

    That is why Democrats are going to get killed at the mid-terms..

    They NEED Trump voters and yet they demonize Trump voters at every juncture..

    "These are the facts of the case and they are undisputed."
    -Captain 'Smilin' Jack Ross

  6. [6] 
    Michale wrote:

    And we close with a good old-fashioned "it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy" feel-good story. Paul Ryan reported that his Chevy Suburban was now defunct, after a family of woodchucks ate through the car's wiring. "My car was eaten by animals," Ryan reported. "It's just dead." Somewhere, Mother Nature is doubled over, laughing hysterically.

    Well, I am sure glad ya didn't stoop to being petty... :D

    heh

  7. [7] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well.....yeah. Is there a problem? Its spam free.

    Other than the fact that it's the epitome of immaturity and childish-ness, no..

    No problem at all..

    Matter of fact, it's par for the course here in Weigantia...

  8. [8] 
    Michale wrote:

    Good morning everyone! Another awesome day in Trump's America! The economy is cranking, Chinese stock market down 50% since he announced, US up 30%, record low Minority UE, manufacturing jobs highest in 10 years, UE near 40 year lows, more job openings than UEs first time in history, 90% approval with Republicans,. steel, aluminum and coal jobs back, record US energy production, Mexico and Canada losing jobs, US dollar super strong, GDP at 4%, CD rates up, wages up, overtime up, food stamps at 10 year low, help wanted signs everywhere, truckers working at 100%, record approval for a Republican with Hispanics and blacks, Republicans control the house, the Senate, the SC, 75% of states, Keystone pipeline cranking, 97% of asylum seekers turned down, record 4th of July travel season. the Dems are hanging their hats on open borders, raising taxes, illegals and running lesbians and socialists for office.

    Tell me about that blue wave coming? I seem to have forgotten what with all the facts that President Trump and the GOP are DOMINATING... :D

  9. [9] 
    neilm wrote:

    Time to call Trump what he is. A traitor.

  10. [10] 
    Michale wrote:

    Neil,

    Time to call Trump what he is. A traitor.

    Oh come on, Neil.. Ya'all have been calling Trump that since he kicked Hillary's ass in the election..

    Ya'all REALLY need some new material..

    All ya'all ever have is the same old re-hashed bullshit that never gained ANY traction...

    Ya'all are stuck with President Trump until 20 Jan 2024...

    Get used to it..

  11. [11] 
    neilm wrote:

    What else do you call him. He asks for Russia's help to hack Hillary's email and the same day Russian intelligence obliges. He then ignores the fact that his own DoJ indicted 12 Russian intelligence agents for hacking and he decides to have a private chat with Putin.

    Traitor.

    Trump may say one thing, but his actions say "Russia First!"

  12. [12] 
    neilm wrote:

    St Ronnie is dead to the Republicans now. They never again can worship at his alter without causing loud guffaws. They are the party of Treasonous Trump.

  13. [13] 
    Michale wrote:

    What else do you call him. He asks for Russia's help to hack Hillary's email and the same day Russian intelligence obliges.

    Just as Obama asked for help to win his election..

    He then ignores the fact that his own DoJ indicted 12 Russian intelligence agents for hacking and he decides to have a private chat with Putin.

    Factually not accurate..

    Traitor.

    Trump may say one thing, but his actions say "Russia First!"

    YAAAWWWWNNNNNNNN You DO know the story of the hysterical Democrat who cried BEAR!!!! right???

  14. [14] 
    neilm wrote:

    And the whole "No Collusion" claim is turning out to be a lie - Treasonous Trump must have known that one of his close friends was communicating with Russian Intelligence - Russian Intelligence would be wary of working directly with Treasonous Trump because he is a blithering idiot, but Treasonous Trump can't claim "No Collusion" any longer.

    The indictment quotes Roger Stone, another traitor, verbatim communicating with Russian Intelligence.

    I always thought Treasonous Trump was just a blithering idiot, but letting Stone engage with Russian Intelligence and being stupid enough to think he could get away with treason when Stone must have told him there were emails is a level of stupidity beyond blithering idiocy.

    Next thing you know he'll be wandering around in front of the Queen like a Corgi that needs to pee ... oh wait!

  15. [15] 
    Michale wrote:

    Treasonous Trump must have known that one of his close friends was communicating with Russian Intelligence

    Facts that prove this??

    {{{chhiiirrrrppppp}}} {{chiirrrrrpppppp}}

    Yea, figures..

    I see you have no response for Traitor Odumbo's actions, eh??

    Figures...

  16. [16] 
    neilm wrote:

    At least Russian Intelligence were polite ... they said it would be a "great pleasure" to help Treasonous Trump.

    No wonder Treasonous Trump wants to thank Putin in private with nobody watching.

    I'll bet he is hoping Putin doesn't command him to "Get on your knees."

  17. [17] 
    neilm wrote:

    Treasonous Trump has a co-conspiritor:

    On Aug. 15, 2016, a “candidate for the U.S. Congress” requested stolen documents from the Russians posing as Guccifer 2.0. They obliged, and “sent the candidate stolen documents related to the candidate’s opponent.” The congressional candidate in question hasn’t been identified.

    Newt? Devin? Trey (who does look like Beavis, now you mention it)?

    Who is the traitor?

    Can't wait for Traitorous Trump to have another high profile visit so Rosenstein can rain on his parade with some more revelations.

    I wonder how much Treasonous Trump enjoyed his cuppa with Lizzie - and if she put the BBC on in the background "to check on the racing results". Har har.

  18. [18] 
    neilm wrote:

    Mueller. Is. Delivering.

    At least Treasonous Trump knows what brand of diapers to buy after watching the ads on Hannity - Melania needs a trip to Costco to buy them in bulk.

    This sort of entertainment is what I pay my taxes for.

    Popcorn for breakfast anybody?

  19. [19] 
    neilm wrote:

    I can imagine Lizzie pouring the tea, then saying innocently, "Do you mind if I just check on the results of the 2:30 at Cheltenham?"

    "Oh look, they've cut away to Washington, isn't that your nice Deputy AG talking, I wonder what he is saying?"

  20. [20] 
    Michale wrote:

    I get it.. You're upset that Hillary is not POTUS...

    Get it all out of yer system, Scream hysterically at the sky.. Whine, cry, stamp your feet, maybe even go punch a Trump voter.. Or, better yet, why don't you grab a rifle and start hunting Republican Trump supporters...

    Whatever you Dumbocrats need to do to make the bad things go away...

    And when all is said and done.. When all your hysterical whinings and cryings and screaming is all done...

    Your President will STILL be President Trump...

    There was no treason.. Russians didn't change a SINGLE Hillary vote to a Trump vote...

    Hillary was simply a crappy candidate...

    You lost.. This is the reality...

    I am very concerned about your mental health right now..

    See someone.. Soon...

  21. [21] 
    Michale wrote:

    Mueller. Is. Delivering.

    Whatever you have to tell yourself to make it thru your sad and depressing day.. :D

    So far, Mueller hasn't delivered ANYTHING that touches President Trump...

    And he has another 45 days to tie it together or he is gone.. :D

  22. [22] 
    neilm wrote:

    Just a reminder of what the Scots think of Treasonous Trump:

    Samantha Bee learns a new word: "bawbag".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pbTmXsfiYk

  23. [23] 
    neilm wrote:

    For our Republican friends, this is what a non-treasonous Republican sounds like:

    President [Treasonous] Trump must be willing to confront #Putin from a position of strength & demonstrate there will be a price to pay for his ongoing aggression. If President Trump is not prepared to hold Putin accountable, the #HelsinkiSummit should not move forward.
    - John McCain, 7/13/18

  24. [24] 
    Michale wrote:

    Funny how you only quote McCain when he says what you want to hear..

    When he says something ya don't like, he is nothing but an evil scum-sucking Republican...

    Funny eh? :D

  25. [25] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    CW-
    Hopefully, you will be inspired by your MIDOTW and you will finally not shirk the political discussion that you have been avoiding instead of leaving open the question of "...why didn't he do anything about it, when he had a prime opportunity to do so?".

    And while you ignore me, many commenters here say that is your way of telling me to go fly a kite.

    Are you going to crush the kite and throw it in the fireplace- or would you consider another option?

    "Oh, oh, oh
    Let's go fly a kite
    Up to the highest height
    Let's go fly a kite
    and send it soaring
    Up through the atmosphere
    Up where the air is clear
    Oh, let's go- fly a kite!"
    -Let's Go Fly a Kite
    soundtrack, Mary Poppins

  26. [26] 
    neilm wrote:

    Kites are out Don - this is 2018!

    Oh, oh, oh
    Let's paraglide around
    Turnberry where the traitor is found
    Let's paraglide around
    and send a message
    Up though the clubhouse roof
    While we digest Mueller's proof
    That Trump is a traitor.

  27. [27] 
    neilm wrote:

    Signs your President is a traitor:

    He is more angry with his own DoJ than the Russians when they provide proof that Russian Intelligence attacked our country.

  28. [28] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Neilm-
    Sorry, but that old refrain just won't fly.

    "With some tuppence for paper and strings
    You can have your own set of wings
    With your feet on the ground
    You're a bird in flight
    With your fist holding tight
    To the strings of your kite"

    "When you send it flying up there
    All at once you're lighter than air
    You can dance in the breeze
    Over houses and trees
    With your fist holding tight
    To the strings of your kite"

  29. [29] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    And just like Ben Franklin's kite, this kite holds the key to a new source of power for our political system.

  30. [30] 
    Michale wrote:

    Neil's on a bender...

    Dood, drowning your sorrows in booze is not the answer...

  31. [31] 
    neilm wrote:

    No Michale - just up to watch Le TdF - early night last night cos' it is a great sporting day followed by a Bastille Day Party in SF. That will be when the drinking starts!

  32. [32] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Newest and latest definition of 'Traitor', straight from the Dem/Lib Lexicon:

    "Revealing to the whole country with the help of foreigners, that the Democrat party is run by a bunch of avaricious crooks who have totally abandoned whatever connection they ever had to democracy!"

  33. [33] 
    Michale wrote:

    Newest and latest definition of 'Traitor', straight from the Dem/Lib Lexicon:

    "Revealing to the whole country with the help of foreigners, that the Democrat party is run by a bunch of avaricious crooks who have totally abandoned whatever connection they ever had to democracy!"

    "That about sums it up for me.."
    -Doug, GROUNDHOG DAY

  34. [34] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    neilm

    I'm betting the drinking has already started. The scary question is, When does the wrist-slashing start?

  35. [35] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    I wonder if Disney would let me use that song in a commercial. It really fits One Demand quite well.

    "With some tuppence for paper and strings"
    tuppence- a small amount of money (small contributions)
    paper- signing up on the website
    strings- ordinary citizens pulling the strings instead of the Big Money interests

    "You can have your own set of wings"
    An organization of ordinary citizens working together to support small contribution candidates

    "With your feet on the ground
    You're a bird in flight
    With your fist holding tight
    To the strings of your kite"
    Just the way democracy is meant to work- citizens holding tight to the strings controlling our government

    The Big Money Democrats have told the citizens that do not buy in to the you have no other choice deception to basically go fly a kite.

    I say it's time we took them up on their offer.

    Come on, CW. Isn't it time for you to come back from the dark side and write an article with that theme titled "Let's go fly a kite?"

    Let's take our political system up to where the air is clear- you take Big Money or you don't take Big Money.

  36. [36] 
    Michale wrote:

    I'm betting the drinking has already started. The scary question is, When does the wrist-slashing start?

    7 Nov 2018, when the GOP has a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and an over-whelming superiority in the House...

    In other words, when the American people with great gusto and finality, overwhelmingly tell the Democrat Party that their bigotry, hatred and intolerance is no longer welcome in the United States of America.

  37. [37] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Actually the wrist cutting began a long time ago when the Democrats decided to become another Big Money Party.

    It is just taking a long time for both current major parties to bleed out.

    All it will take to complete their demise is for citizens to stop keeping them on life support by not voting.

    Citizens that want to kill off the parasites can instead start registering votes against the Big Money candidates by participating in One Demand in 2018.

    It's time to pull the plug.

  38. [38] 
    Michale wrote:

    President Trump brings up a great point..

    The Russian hacking took place during the Odumbo administration...

    Odumbo KNEW it was going on...

    WHY didn't he do anything about it!??

    I can tell you why..

    Because he figured Hillary would win so it was inconsequential..

    But because Trump won??

    *THEN* it became something serious...

  39. [39] 
    Michale wrote:

    Man suspected of attacking wife with chain saw was deported 11 times
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-chainsaw-deported-20180713-story.html

    "By and large, illegal immigrants obey the law.."

    :^/

  40. [40] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    [38]

    Grow up!

  41. [41] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    You are responsible for fake news around here and I've had quite enough of it.

  42. [42] 
    neilm wrote:

    When does the wrist-slashing start?

    When we get a libertarian President and the D&D teenagers take over.

  43. [43] 
    neilm wrote:

    You are responsible for fake news around here and I've had quite enough of it.

    No worries EM, we all know it. Michale is fact free and CRS is just trolling.

    It usually gets worse when Treasonous Trump is looking more stupid and guilty than usual (i.e. we get peaks on a weekly basis).

    Michale is a leading indicator that Treasonous Trump is in trouble, and CRS is a leading indicator that the Democrats have something to laugh at and he can't stand Democrats (probably because we have enough understanding of the economy and human nature to know that all the Lib/ertarian BS is as well thought out as communism).

  44. [44] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Oh, there are worries, Neil.

  45. [45] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    And by the way, you could cut out a lot of crap, too.

  46. [46] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    The comments sections attached to this excellent blog could be so much better and THAT is what sticks in my craw ...

  47. [47] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    SHOULD be so much better ... without my endless encouragements.

  48. [48] 
    neilm wrote:

    BTW Michale, do you know this little gem from the Lib/eratrian official policy page?

    "Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders."

    It isn't the Dems who are calling for open borders, it is the Lib/ertarians who currently are parasitic in the Republican Party. Makes you wonder how they square that circle in their heads. Also, they are for abortion on demand at any point in the pregnancy.

    Source: https://www.lp.org/platform/ (section 1.5 and 3.4)

  49. [49] 
    neilm wrote:

    And by the way, you could cut out a lot of crap, too.

    Yeah, we know that will happen as soon as you drop the school ma'arm act ;)

  50. [50] 
    neilm wrote:

    SHOULD be so much better ... without my endless encouragements.

    Who defines "better" - you?

    If so, who made you the owner of the comments section?

    Relax, have some fun, it isn't difficult to scan thru the drivel (i.e. the second of any of Michale's comments until another person posts, CRS or me when we are in short one-on-ones, Don's daily whine).

    Maybe the inestimable Chaaz can create a Tampermonkey Script to screen out those comments ;) How's your "sentiment analysis" programming skills Chaaz?

  51. [51] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Don't you tire of the asinine back and forth?

  52. [52] 
    neilm wrote:

    The Mid-Continent Nail plant in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, laid off 60 of its 500 workers last week because of increased steel costs. The company blames the 25% tariff on imported steel. Orders for nails plunged 50% after the company raised its prices to deal with higher steel costs.

    More red state winning thanks to Treasonous Trump - and this one can't be blamed on the Chinese, Treasonous Trump came up with the steel tariffs all by himself.

  53. [53] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Neil, I care about this place and it's being run down by thoughtless comments. Chris's commentary deserves much better.

  54. [54] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Liz-
    "The comments sections attached to this excellent blog could be so much better and THAT is what sticks in my craw..."

    As long as we're on the Disney theme, while I agree that the comments section could be better are you trying to be the crab from the Little Mermaid? :D

    "Not craw- CRAW!"
    -Asian villain
    Get Smart (TV series)

  55. [55] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    One thing that might make this comment section better is if CW participated a little more often and actually addressed my daily comments so they wouldn't have to be daily comments.

    That's one way I define better.

  56. [56] 
    Michale wrote:

    You are responsible for fake news around here and I've had quite enough of it.

    For example....???? :D

  57. [57] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Maybe the inestimable Chaaz can create a Tampermonkey Script to screen out those comments ;) How's your "sentiment analysis" programming skills Chaaz?

    Perhaps, in time, you won't keep missing the point.

  58. [58] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Too many to enumerate, Michale.

  59. [59] 
    neilm wrote:

    Don't you tire of the asinine back and forth?

    Nope. It lets off a bit of steam, plus Michale is on my xmas card list, it doesn't really mean anything, at least not to me.

    I enjoy my time here, and given that I'm still working and my time is precious to me, spending it doing something I enjoy and that I'm completely free to do. With a few exceptions (mostly deliberate, and with people who should be able to take it if they give it out), I don't seem to upset anybody.

    CRS would probably like to ban me (Lib/ertarians only like free speech when it is their speech in my experience). I suspect you might as well, but then, I'd probably be only one name on a long list. Michale probably would, but he'd never know because if I'm gone I'm almost certain it would be after he has already been booted off :)

    Didn't Canada just legalize weed (hint)?

  60. [60] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, why DIDN'T Odumbo do anything about the Russian hacking??

    Because, by his OWN ADMISSION, he figured Hillary would win... And he didn't want to rock the boat..

    So, our country was under attack and Obama did NOTHING out based on POLITICAL ramifications...

    These are the facts...

  61. [61] 
    Michale wrote:

    Nope. It lets off a bit of steam, plus Michale is on my xmas card list, it doesn't really mean anything, at least not to me.

    I try to keep that in mind, but I do slip sometimes. :D

  62. [62] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Liz-
    You may as well face up to the facts. Most people don't comment here for discussion.

    Many are here to trade talking points back and forth and rationalize their positions or promote their agenda.

    "...not that there's anything wrong with that."
    Seinfeld

    Whenever you are or anyone else is ready, I'll be happy to discuss mobilizing the 20-30% of citizens that vote in presidential elections but don't vote in off year elections and the 40% that don't vote at all in 2018.

    Or you could keep complaining aboot the back and forth between the less than 50% of the voters that will support the subjects of most comments here in 2018.

  63. [63] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Don,

    Most people don't comment here for discussion.

    You just hit the nail on the head! Finally, FINALLY I now realize that. I can often be slow on the uptake but, I eventually catch on. I miss the old days, in more ways than one. :)

    Mercifully, for me, there are other options for intelligent discussion on the internet(s).

  64. [64] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    By the way, Don, I really do believe campaign finance reform is a very, very important subject with regard to US elections, especially considering the US is ALWAYS in election mode, in one way or another.

  65. [65] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    "In my experience, libertarians only like free speech when it is their speech."

    Now there's a new and unique take on reality!

    When a Rep/Con is invited to address a university gathering, he's INVARIABLY shouted down. When a Dem/Lib is addressing campus group, he's NEVER shouted down.

    One of us, either neilm or I, clearly doesn't live in the world of reality!!!

  66. [66] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    We're just going to assume, for the sake of this award, that Peter Strzok is a Democrat.

    Big assumption. I don't know what Strzok's affiliation was before all of this began, but I'm guessing that like most of the pre-Trump FBI, he was a Republican.

    I do know that he and Page also exchanged plenty of anti-Hillary and anti-Bernie texts as well, even though the Republicants somehow managed to ignore those during their 10 hour showboating session.

    This investigation would be SO much easier for them to diss if it were run by Democrats instead of being managed entirely by Republicants! To make matters worse, all of the top brass (Sessions, Wray, Rosenstein) were appointed by Trump! And of course, Mueller and Comey are both life-long GOP too.

    To compound the problem, one could look at texts being sent by other GOP candidates at about the same time that Strzok was writing his that were far more critical and much less polite about Trump.

    Given this and similar situations that have already arisen this year, perhaps, CW, you should consider adding another category: Honest Republican of the Week, to cover those times when some GOP talking head, either deliberately or inadvertently, manages to blurt out the truth.

  67. [67] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    When a Dem/Lib is addressing campus group, he's NEVER shouted down.

    Ha! Tell that to Bill Maher, who has been 'disinvited' from several campus appearances, and harassed at others. There are speech nazis on both sides, and they all suck.

  68. [68] 
    Michale wrote:

    This investigation would be SO much easier for them to diss if it were run by Democrats instead of being managed entirely by Republicants!

    It's being run solely and completely by NeverTrumpers...

  69. [69] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ha! Tell that to Bill Maher, who has been 'disinvited' from several campus appearances, and harassed at others. There are speech nazis on both sides, and they all suck

    Yet, you only condemn the ones on the Right..

    Funny how that is, eh?

  70. [70] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Yet, you only condemn the ones on the Right..

    What part of "on both sides" didn't you get?

  71. [71] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Balthy

    "Disinvitations" are not equatable/equivalent with "shoutdowns".

  72. [72] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    It's being run solely and completely by NeverTrumpers...

    ..who were hired by Trump. Trashing honest Republicants who won't shield your corrupt hero won't get you very far either.

  73. [73] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    "Disinvitations" are not equatable/equivalent with "shoutdowns"

    You want to play semantics? In this case, they're exactly equivalent. Not being allowed to speak is the same by any term.

  74. [74] 
    Michale wrote:

    What part of "on both sides" didn't you get?

    The part where I have NEVER seen you condemn any of it from the Left..

    ..who were hired by Trump. Trashing honest Republicants who won't shield your corrupt hero won't get you very far either.

    I don't HAVE to go far..

    Trump *I* POTUS.. :D

    And all ya'all are trying to do is nullify a free, fair and legal election because your candidate lost..

    That's all..

  75. [75] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    Trump admitted his collusion with the Ruskies prior to the election... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b71f2eYdTc *Note, Clinton's emails miraculously appeared the very next day. It's incontrovertible proof, in his own broken English, Trump copped to the whole shebang.

    Well...that was embarrassing. The 'People's court' style hectoring of Peter Strzok made the GOP hacks out as they truly are, toadies and lackeys to Trump. Roland Friesler would have been proud.

  76. [76] 
    Michale wrote:

    The part where I have NEVER seen you condemn any of it from the Left..

    By that, I mean it's easy to say in theory "Oh I am fair I condemn both sides" bullshit..

    But what's hard, what you DON'T do is criticize any on the Left when they try to silence those on the Right..

  77. [77] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump admitted his collusion with the Ruskies prior to the election...

    Yea, and Odumbo admitted his "collusion" when he asked Putin for help in winning the election, after which, Odumbo could be "flexible" for Putin..

    Of course ya'all ignore than because you are a slave to ideology...

  78. [78] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    FALSE STATEMENT # too many to count: "Yea, and Odumbo admitted his "collusion" when he asked Putin for help in winning the election, after which, Odumbo could be "flexible" for Putin..Of course ya'all ignore than because you are a slave to ideology..."

    How you get away with this constant nonsense, Michale, is unknown.

  79. [79] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    But what's hard, what you DON'T do is criticize any on the Left when they try to silence those on the Right..

    Well, for my part, Michale, I'm not trying to silence anyone. I'm just trying to make them better commenters.

    It's a tough job but, I'm the only one who cares enough to do it. And, I can be a dog with a bone, you know. :)

  80. [80] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Liz-
    Maybe we are more alike than we think.

    You can be a dog with a bone. I can be a dog with a boner. :D

  81. [81] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Balthy [73]

    Absolutely NOT true. Thje difference is, polite/civilized people would call or email and say, "Sorry, we changed our mind, please don't bother coming to our party".

    Boorish assholes would let the invite stand, and then show up and scream obscenities at the would-be speaker in person.

    The only possible way to disagree with that is if you're one of the boorish assholes, right?

  82. [82] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    [78] Elizabeth, Michale doesn't get away with his assertions(delusions) when referencing Obama and his actions. Michale is a paid up member of the 'Hoodwinked Horde.' This herd of sycophants see nothing wrong with announcing as fact, idiotic, baseless drivel, so long as it suits their warped narrative. Michale can spend from now until Sol burns out, he'll never find one shred of believable documentation of Obama saying anything remotely along the lines of admitting to collusion with the Ruskies...it's not the world these people live in. It's their raison d'être to fling unsupportable shit at the world and move on. For these people, it doesn't matter at all that their bullshit bears no relation to reality, their Snake-oil messiah leads by example and has, by extension, gifted his motley crew truth-mulligans.

    If it's any consolation, the rest of the world has separated Trump and his clutch of morally bankrupt satraps from 'America in the main'...

    LL@P

  83. [83] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Yea, and Odumbo admitted his "collusion" when he asked Putin for help in winning the election, after which, Odumbo could be "flexible" for Putin..

    You didn't get any of that right.

    The occasion was a joint press opportunity with Medvedev prior to a global nuclear security summit in Seoul, South Korea.

    A sticking point at the time was the 'missile defense' plans that had been made by the Bush Administration. Robert Gates, then Bush's Secretary of Defense, had proposed putting medium range missiles in the Czech Republic and Poland to counter, they said, Iranian missiles aimed at Europe. Eventually, they said, all members of NATO , including tangential members Romania, Poland, Turkey and Spain would have this 'missile shield' by 2017.

    Russia, of course, loudly and repeatedly complained about this policy, maintaining that it had no assurances that the missiles weren't aimed at Russian cities, and that they couldn't be classified as 'defensive', as Bush had asserted to avoid blowing up several treaties.

    In the midst of this debate, Obama was elected, kept Gates on as DoD Secretary, and ordered a review of the missile placement plan. That review resulted in a change of plan more suitable to countering the actual Iranian threat: placing more short-range AEGIS missiles in central and southern Europe, and on sea-based platforms closer to Iran. Gates himself defended the new plan in an Op-Ed in the NYT.

    But the 2010 midterms gave over the House and Senate to Republicans, and they pounced on the new plan, accusing Obama of 'caving' to Russia, 'abandoning' Europe, and insisting on continuing to fund the Bush plan while simultaneously threatening to withhold funding for the new plan, and that continued to be hotly debated in Congress.

    In 2012, Romney resurrected the 'defense of Europe' argument to use in his campaign. Again, he accused Obama of 'abandoning' Europe at the request of Russia. Putin seized on Romney's rhetoric to renew his old rhetoric about the Bush plan, and Medvedev was seeking assurances that Romney couldn't unilaterally target Russian cities, something that Obama couldn't and wouldn't do.

    Obama knew that the issue was being weaponized by both camps, but was silly at its core: he and his miltary advisors had already decided that the revised plan was both militarily and politically better for the US.

    So Obama was, during that exchange, essentially telling the Russians to back off. The statement, "I'll have more flexibility after the election" turned out to be true, but not in the sense that Putin likely anticipated: following Putin's invasion of Ukraine in 2014, Obama struck a deal with Congress that allowed installation of the AEGIS-based missile systems in Romania, Turkey and Spain, but also in Poland, and that system was finally launched (with little fanfare) in 2016.

    Putin has continued to bitch about the missiles in Poland, and has used them as his excuse for provocative actions that he's taken along the borders of eastern Europe, calling them 'defensive' deployments in reaction to the 'arming of a hostile state'.

    John Bolton was one of the original plan's biggest defenders, and one of the harshest critics of Obama when the plan was changed. It will be interesting to see if he stands idly by to let Trump use the new Polish missiles as a bargaining chip.

  84. [84] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    [83] Balty...thanks for the excruciatingly precise clarification. I've long since abandoned the use of fact and reality to counter the Trumpian skew. Who of us at this point actually wastes time fact-checking what that clown says? The lines have been drawn for months, one either believes Trump's every utterance (and to our collective shrug and sigh)as gospel, or one just ignores it all as silage for the ever-shrinking ''Trump Base.''

    Either way, history has decided that people have the capacity to be fickle when alone in the polling booth! For all those unable to concede they followed a political Pied Piper,a mountebank, scoundrel and unabashed confidence trickster...it can be their salvation.

    Trump is nothing more than a skid-mark on the Y-front's of western civilization, he's what happens when an electorate takes it's eye off itself. Trump rode a wave of demagogic, anti-establishment dross into the WH before all our eyes could adjust to what they were seeing. It's his only play...maintain the chaos. Bread and Circuses.

    LL&P

  85. [85] 
    Michale wrote:

    Balthy,

    You could have saved yourself a lot of typing (and bullshitting) by simply staying with the FACTS..

    "Er... uh.. well.. That's different!!!"

    It always is with you people...

    The ONLY real difference is that Obama has a -D after his name so anything he does is permissible and acceptable..

    EVEN if it is the same thing that Trump... excuse me.. PRESIDENT Trump does....

  86. [86] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Well, for my part, Michale, I'm not trying to silence anyone. I'm just trying to make them better commenters.

    You won't catch me complaining about what you are doing. I admire your efforts..

    The only people who are complaining are the ones who are the problem.. :D

  87. [87] 
    Michale wrote:

    How you get away with this constant nonsense, Michale, is unknown.

    I "get away" with it because it's factually accurate..

    The ONLY response ya'all have to it is political spin..

    Look at Balthy's long and boring spin...

    It's NOTHING but spin and that's easy to prove..

    The ONLY way that Balthy could know why Obama whispered that in Medevev's ear is if Balthy read the mind of Obama...

    And we know that is impossible..

    Ergo.. Balthy is full of shit.. He WANTS it to be factually accurate, but it's not.. It's supposition.. Wishful thinking.. Party Slave based spin..

    That's all...

  88. [88] 
    Michale wrote:

    Balthy [73]

    Absolutely NOT true. Thje difference is, polite/civilized people would call or email and say, "Sorry, we changed our mind, please don't bother coming to our party".

    Boorish assholes would let the invite stand, and then show up and scream obscenities at the would-be speaker in person.

    The only possible way to disagree with that is if you're one of the boorish assholes, right?

    "I'de call that a definite 'YES'.."
    -Bill Murray, GHOSTBUSTERS

    :D

  89. [89] 
    Michale wrote:

    Another FACT ya'all have yet to address..

    If the Russian hacking was such a horrendous and egregious attack on our Democracy???

    Why did Odumbo let political considerations prevent him from responding and/or acting on it??

    {{{ccchhhhiiirrrrrrpppppp}}} {{ccchhhiirrrrrpppppp}}

    Yea.. That's what I thought...

  90. [90] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ya see, ya'all have caused your own problems with the lack of credibility...

    Ya'all screamed to the high heavens how bad President Trump was going to be..

    How he was going to start WWIII, how he was going to destroy the economy, how he would simply destroy the world..

    And, when Trump took office??

    NONE of it happened...

    If one looks OBJECTIVELY at the last couple years, things have been pretty damn good..

    So, NOW... Now you keep going on and on and on and ya'all don't have a record of credibility to sustain the rants and hysteria..

    To get right down to it, ya'all have been hysterically crying WOLF for two years and the ONLY thing we have seen are cute little rottweiler puppies...

    I mean, ya'all have screamed DEATH DESTRUCTION DEATH DESTRUCTION!!!

    And all we have seen:

    The economy is cranking,

    Record low Minority UE

    Manufacturing jobs highest in 10 years

    UE near 40 year lows

    More job openings than UEs first time in history

    Steel, aluminum and coal jobs back

    Record US energy production,

    US dollar super strong, GDP at 4%

    CD rates up, wages up, overtime up,

    Food stamps at 10 year low,

    Help wanted signs everywhere

    Truckers working at 100%,

    Record approval for a Republican with Hispanics and blacks, Republicans

    Keystone pipeline cranking

    Record 4th of July travel season

    I mean, if THAT is what DEATH DESTRUCTION DEATH DESTRUCTION!!! looks like??

    Please, can we have some more??? :^D

    When it comes to credibility, ya'all are yer own worst enemies..

  91. [91] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Look at Balthy's long and boring spin...

    It's NOTHING but spin and that's easy to prove..

    The ONLY way that Balthy could know why Obama whispered that in Medevev's ear is if Balthy read the mind of Obama...

    And we know that is impossible..

    No, I provided context to the statement, something you wouldn't do if someone came and sat on you.

  92. [92] 
    Michale wrote:

    You provided CONTEXT..

    Not PROOF..

    The ONLY way you could PROVE that your claim is factual is if you could read Odumbo's mind..

    If your context was accurate, there was absolutely NO REASON for Odumbo to beg Vlad's help in private..

    Why whisper it in Medevev's ear and not make it part of the official statements??

    The inference is obvious and clear.. Odumbo didn't want to American people to learn he was colluding with Putin...

    Regardless, it's ALL conjecture.. You put your spin on it based on your ideological slavery..

    Just as you put your spin on Trump's... excuse me.. PRESIDENT Trump's "plea for help" to find Hillary's emails..

    It's nothing but political spin based on Party slavery..

  93. [93] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Happened to catch a little bit of "Watter's World" on Fox last night, and saw a hit-job bit they did on the Strzok hearing.

    I'd been wondering how Fox would spin that embarrassing disaster of a hearing, and now I know: they replay it with Strzok's answers clipped, focus mainly on Trey Gowdy's theatrics, and demonize the witness.

    And I mean literally "demonize" him: as in doctoring photos to make him look like a demon. They also made a little GIF animation to make him look effeminate.

    By doing so, they're presenting a false version of reality to their viewers, literally: fake news.

    The spoken commentary was every bit as bad and misleading as the video. These people aren't even trying to hide the fact that they're twisting the truth to make their viewers happy.

    The right gets weirder and scarier every day.

  94. [94] 
    Michale wrote:

    something you wouldn't do if someone came and sat on you.

    Sure I do...

    Ya'all's claim that Trump asked Putin to help with Hillary's email was in the CONTEXT of a campaign..

    Hyperbole...

    Or do you REALLY believe that, in 2008, Obama wanted all Democrats to show up at rally's with guns instead of knives???

    Once again, ya'all's problem is laid bare...

    Obama says and does many of the things that Trump has said and done..

    But ya'all are PERFECTLY OK with it, when it comes from Obama.. Ya'all only condemn the actions, the EXACT same actions (in this case, campaign hyperbole) when it comes from Trump...

    Pure, blatant, unequivocal hypocrisy...

  95. [95] 
    Michale wrote:

    Happened to catch a little bit of "Watter's World" on Fox last night,

    HA!

    You watch more FoxNews than I do!! :D

    And I mean literally "demonize" him: as in doctoring photos to make him look like a demon. They also made a little GIF animation to make him look effeminate.

    Yea, and Left Wingers would NEVER do anything like that, right!? :D

    Once again... Hypocrisy...

    The right gets weirder and scarier every day.

    And the Left gets hysterical'er and desperate'er every day...

    What's yer point?? :D

  96. [96] 
    Michale wrote:

    IS THIS A POLITICAL AD? FACEBOOK THINKS SO
    Gospel praise song blocked by social-media censors

    http://www.wnd.com/2018/07/is-this-a-political-ad-facebook-thinks-so/#Kkl61G8CI1bQLC3o.99

    Like I said.. The Left gets more and more desperate every day... :^/

  97. [97] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Ten Commandments of Liberalism

    1) Do not feel absolutely certain of anything.
    2) Do not think it worthwhile to produce belief by concealing evidence, for the evidence is sure to come to light.
    3) Never try to discourage thinking, for you are sure to succeed.
    4.. When you meet with opposition, even if it should be from your husband or your children, endeavor to overcome it by argument and not by authority, for a victory dependent upon authority is unreal and illusory.
    5. Have no respect for the authority of others, for there are always contrary authorities to be found.
    6. Do not use power to suppress opinions you think pernicious, for if you do the opinions will suppress you.
    7. Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.
    8. Find more pleasure in intelligent dissent than in passive agreement, for, if you value intelligence as you should, the former implies a deeper agreement than the latter.
    9. Be scrupulously truthful, even when truth is inconvenient, for it is more inconvenient when you try to conceal it.
    10. Do not feel envious of the happiness of those who live in a fool’s paradise, for only a fool will think that it is happiness.

    Ironically, today's liberal violates each and every one of those on a daily sometimes HOURLY basis...

    :^/

  98. [98] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    If your context was accurate, there was absolutely NO REASON for Odumbo to beg Vlad's help in private..

    Why whisper it in Medevev's ear and not make it part of the official statements?

    There you go again, yanking it out of context to make your point. He wasn't begging for Putin's help, he was telling him to back the fuck off. He wasn't whispering in Medvedev's ear, he was speaking in a normal tone of voice which we know because WE HEARD IT, and guys like you on the right pounced and yanked it out of context so that they could make it out to be something it wasn't, which is why we're having this stupid disagreement.

    Go ahead, tell us the sky is mauve, and Trump is a beautiful shade of pink. Why not? What difference does it make if you're not tethered to reality?

    But don't expect me to buy that bullshit.

  99. [99] 
    Michale wrote:

    There you go again, yanking it out of context to make your point. He wasn't begging for Putin's help, he was telling him to back the fuck off.

    BWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Obama ASKED Putin for "space" to win the election..

    I gotta hand it to ya, Balthy.. THAT is some very intense spin ya got there. :D

    He wasn't whispering in Medvedev's ear, he was speaking in a normal tone of voice which we know because WE HEARD IT, and guys like you on the right pounced and yanked it out of context so that they could make it out to be something it wasn't, which is why we're having this stupid disagreement.

    It's guys like you who go on and on about CONTEXT but then ignore the context that is inconvenient..

    Once again, we have your spin..

    As he was leaning toward Medvedev in Seoul, Obama was overheard asking for time — “particularly with missile defense” — until he is in a better position politically to resolve such issues.

    “I understand your message about space,” replied Medvedev, who will hand over the presidency to Putin in May.

    “This is my last election … After my election I have more flexibility,” Obama said, expressing confidence that he would win a second term.

    And then we have the FACTS.. Odumbo leaned in and whispered the exchange to Medvedev because he didn't want anyone to hear. Because Odumbo KNEW his actions were treasonous...

    But don't expect me to buy that bullshit.

    You don't buy ANYTHING that your Party masters don't allow you to buy.. You don't think ANYTHING your Party masters don't allow you to think..

    Yer a slave...

  100. [100] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    JTC [84] thanks for the excruciatingly precise clarification.

    Yeah, I could have been more brief, but I was out to demonstrate just exactly how WRONG that often-repeated talking point is, and how absurd it is to use it in the present context: it's been used all these years to accuse Obama of being soft on Europe's defense needs, and is being used now to justify the actions of a man that recently called NATO obsolete. It's another, more elaborate version of the "I'm paper, you're glue" game that the trolls on the right love to play, but wow, is it twisted.

  101. [101] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yeah, I could have been more brief, but I was out to demonstrate just exactly how WRONG that often-repeated talking point is,

    Except you did nothing of the sort..

    The ONLY way you can demonstrate it's wrong is by FACTS, not conjecture...

    And the ONLY way you could have had FACTS is if you could read Odumbo's mind and PROVE intent..

    But you can't, so all you have is spin..

    It's another, more elaborate version of the "I'm paper, you're glue" game that the trolls on the right love to play, but wow, is it twisted.

    And the LEFT would never stoop to that, right?? :D

  102. [102] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Odumbo leaned in and whispered the exchange to Medvedev because he didn't want anyone to hear. Because Odumbo KNEW his actions were treasonous...

    Now who's mind reading? That's all wildly erroneous projection.

    If you wanna read a good description of treason, sit down and read Mueller's latest indictment. As Neil is fond of saying, the noose is tightening...

  103. [103] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yer a slave...

    Just to clarify...

    I meant, you are a slave to your political ideology..

    Outside of politics, I am sure you are a really great and fun guy.. :D

  104. [104] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yer a slave...

    Just to clarify...

    I meant, you are a slave to your political ideology..

    Outside of politics, I am sure you are a really great and fun guy.. :D

  105. [105] 
    Michale wrote:

    If you wanna read a good description of treason, sit down and read Mueller's latest indictment.

    Read Mueller's latest indictment against the Russians that "NO AMERICANS WERE INVOLVED IN"???

    I really think it's YOU who needs to check the definition of "Treason"..

    Ya'all lost a "free, fair and legal" election..

    Your own Odumbo said as much..

    You simply will not be allowed to nullify that free, fair and legal election..

  106. [106] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, in other news...

    In rebuke of Dianne Feinstein, Kevin de León wins endorsement of California Democrats in Senate race
    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-senate-feinstein-de-leon-endorsement-20180714-story.html

    Blue on Blue civil war! :D Love it..

  107. [107] 
    Michale wrote:

    Will Hillary persist in 2020? Her actions suggest ‘yes’
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/07/15/will-hillary-persist-in-2020-her-actions-suggest-yes.html

    Oh please, please, please, PLEASE Hillary..

    *PLEASE* be a very VERY large part of the Democrats in 2020!!!

    I am sure that, THIS time, you will resoundingly win!!!

    So, PLEASE....

    "DO IT!!!!"
    -Chuck, ANGRY BIRDS

    :D

  108. [108] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Michale-
    "Blue on Blue civil war! :D Love it."

    Do you think that this turmoil will get Californians to vote for the Republican on the ballot? :D

  109. [109] 
    Michale wrote:

    Do you think that this turmoil will get Californians to vote for the Republican on the ballot? :D

    heh...

    Not at all...

    But it does lay rest to the bullshit claim that the Democrat Party has "unity"... :D

  110. [110] 
    Michale wrote:

    And the whole "No Collusion" claim is turning out to be a lie -

    Of course, that's the spin...

    Ignore the spin — still no evidence of Trump collusion
    http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/396969-ignore-the-spin-still-no-evidence-of-trump-collusion

    And THERE are the facts..

    Sorry, my bestest buddy Neil.. :D

    No collusion for you today.. :D

  111. [111] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Michale (107)-
    Be careful what you wish for.

    I remember John Stewart saying "Please do it" to Trump when rumors that Trump was going to run in 2016 first surfaced and when Trump ran it didn't turn out the way that Stewart thought it would.

    "...you know, the best laid plans of mice, and all..."
    - Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

  112. [112] 
    Michale wrote:

    DH,

    Touche'

    On the other hand, considering how much misery and pain Hillary has caused ON THE LEFT, I really can't see a path where Hillary is a viable candidate..

    But, we definitely have entered Weirdsville, so who knows??

  113. [113] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    neilm (26)-
    If you want to modernize the song it should really go like this:

    Oh, oh, oh
    Let's go fly a drone
    While we are safe at home
    Let's go fly a drone
    And drop some bombs down
    Down through the atmosphere
    Make people disappear
    Oh let's go fly a drone!

  114. [114] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    I don't get the obsession with Hillary Clinton by the right-wing...two years after the fact, she's still the default villain. Aren't there some kindergarten kids they can put behind bars? or schools they can merrily shoot-up?

    oh, wait...

    LL&p

  115. [115] 
    Michale wrote:

    I don't get the obsession with Hillary Clinton by the right-wing..

    Maybe if the Left Wing wouldn't constantly obsess about how Hillary should have won and how she "really did win"... Then maybe the Right would quit obsessing about her..

    I mean, duh....

    or schools they can merrily shoot-up?

    James Hodgkison....

    'Nuff said....

  116. [116] 
    neilm wrote:

    JTC [114]

    I don't get the obsession with Hillary Clinton

    These people don't stand for anything, except abstract feelie slogans like "MAGA!!!", they hate the educated and the intelligent, particularly if they are women.

    They are trying to gin up Pelosi as the next evil elitist, but their base aren't as excited as they are over Hillary, so she will be trotted out for their two-minutes of hate on a daily basis.

    I asked a Trumper what three things he wanted Trump to do repeatedly and got nothing - just being Trump and upsetting the decent people who were trying to do something for this country was enough.

    More important than trying to change this sad core's minds is to isolate them and point them out as sad little people that you don't want to associate yourself with - and fortunately they act up for us on a daily basis.

    When I looked at the Trump base in that light it was no surprise that the evangelicals went for him head-over-heels - people have been laughing at them for decades - "Intelligent Design" anybody? The "Left Behind" series. These people know they are forced to believe in nonsense and really hate it when everybody laughs at them for it.

  117. [117] 
    Michale wrote:

    These people don't stand for anything, except abstract feelie slogans like "MAGA!!!",

    "Win The Future..."

    "A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs"

    'nuff said..

    they hate the educated and the intelligent, particularly if they are women.

    Except for 70% of Trump supporters are college educated..

    WOW, sucks for you when facts are so inconvenient, eh? :D

    They are trying to gin up Pelosi as the next evil elitist, but their base aren't as excited as they are over Hillary, so she will be trotted out for their two-minutes of hate on a daily basis.

    No one has to trot our Hillary at all.. She's the one who is prepping the country for her third failure... :D

    I asked a Trumper what three things he wanted Trump to do repeatedly and got nothing -

    No, you just got what you couldn't spin... :D

    When I looked at the Trump base in that light it was no surprise that the evangelicals went for him head-over-heels - people have been laughing at them for decades - "Intelligent Design" anybody? The "Left Behind" series. These people know they are forced to believe in nonsense and really hate it when everybody laughs at them for it.

    And yet, you are going to NEED those voters in November..

    Of course you can't see past your hatred and bigotry and intolerance enough to realize that.

  118. [118] 
    Michale wrote:

    These people know they are forced to believe in nonsense and really hate it when everybody laughs at them for it.

    And yet, who laughs last, laughs best..

    So, WHO was laughing last on 9 Nov 2016???

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/11/08/get-out-and-vote/#comments

    Why!?? I think it was me!!!! :D

  119. [119] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    "Except for 70% of Trump supporters are college educated."

    I'll have to remember that the next time we have a discussion on whether or not sending more people to college is good thing.

  120. [120] 
    Michale wrote:

    I'll have to remember that the next time we have a discussion on whether or not sending more people to college is good thing.

    We Trump supporters are gosh durned edumacated, I tell yooo waaat....

  121. [121] 
    neilm wrote:

    Except for 70% of Trump supporters are college educated..

    Another lie, of course.

    You mean to say 70% of Trump supports are not college educated.

    Source: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/why-trumps-appeal-wider-you-might-think

  122. [122] 
    Michale wrote:

    Source: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/why-trumps-appeal-wider-you-might-think

    MSNBC???

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Why not source HuffPoop or InfoWarts while yer at it!! :D

  123. [123] 
    neilm wrote:

    OK, Michale, point to the survey that shows that 70% of Treasonous Trump supports have college degrees, since you made the initial claim.

    In fact, fewer Treasonous Trump supporters have college degrees than Americans as a whole.

    (Program note: at this point Michale changes the subject since, of course, there are no facts supporting the lie.)

  124. [124] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK, Michale, point to the survey that shows that 70% of Treasonous Trump supports have college degrees, since you made the initial claim.

    Like I told GT when he made the same demand..

    I had read it someplace in the last week or so... I would have to retrace the thousands of web sites and forums I read to find it again..

    Why should I bother?? You will just nit pick it or spin it or cherry pick it or ignore it....

    So I am not going to waste my time finding a stat or poll that you won't acknowledge...

    Remember when I proved that 60% of Americans are streaming what they watch?? It was ignored, spin'ed or nit-picked...

    Maybe ya'all will learn to acknowledge the facts when they are presented to you..

    Ya'all made yer beds, now you get to LIE in them.. :D

  125. [125] 
    neilm wrote:

    I had read it someplace in the last week or so... I would have to retrace the thousands of web sites and forums I read to find it again..

    So, MSNBC quoting a rigorous survey isn't good enough for you, but your memory, which is so bad you can't even remember where you read it, is a definitive source.

    This is a simple case where you shouldn't fall for a simple lie. The first question to ask is:

    1. What percentage of Americans have college degrees?

    A: (One of many similar Google answers) According to census data, 209.3 million people in the United States are 25 years old or older, and 66.9 million have a bachelor's degree or higher (such as a master's, professional or doctoral degree). That means about 68 percent of them do not have a bachelor's degree.

    2. What percentage of Republican voters have college degrees?

    A: In 1994, 39% of those with a four-year college degree (no postgraduate experience) identified with or leaned toward the Democratic Party and 54% associated with the Republican Party. In 2017, those figures were exactly reversed. Source: http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/1-trends-in-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/2_6-10/

    Just taking 2 minutes to ask those questions of Google should have made you extremely concerned about your recollection.

    The fact that you don't do this minimal amount of research is a far greater condemnation of any of your claims than you probably understand.

    Here is a hint, if you want to make a point, instead of just gloating with any idea that floats into your head that makes you feel good, put yourself in the opposite mindset and ask how you would counter your position and add facts that address obvious objections. It works - we do it when we train our tele-sales teams.

  126. [126] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, MSNBC quoting a rigorous survey isn't good enough for you,

    I wouldn't trust MSNBC if it said water was wet and the sky was blue.. I would have to have 12 different kinds of individual confirmation..

    The fact that you don't do this minimal amount of research is a far greater condemnation of any of your claims than you probably understand.

    According to you..

    But you have been wrong about EVERYTHING Trump to date..

    So, I appreciate yer efforts, but I'm good :D

  127. [127] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    Posts [5] through [124]...What drivel. Michale never ceases to plumb the depths of credulity. It's not a competition, Sunshine...you don't have to vie with the coiffed cretin to out-stupid one-another. Trump's act is a solo, he channels the collective idiocy.

    My standard suggestion to posters of dubious (alternate) facts is constant...seek expensive pseudo-medicinal remedies... sympathetic magic, potions and lotions. XaNaX is only happy palindrome to you...

    LL&P

  128. [128] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    Hehe...' It works - we do it when we train our tele-sales teams.'

    Way to set the bar high.

    Great advice though, were one willing to broaden one's community experience...However, tribalism seems to be the order of the day, gainsaying every suggestion the norm.

    Misery
    Angst
    Grief
    Anxiety =
    --------
    MAGA

    LL&P

  129. [129] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale,

    Chinese stock market down 50% since he announced...Mexico and Canada losing jobs

    Why are these good things? Why would you celebrate this? What next? Were you rooting against those Thai kids getting out of the cave?

    Truckers working at 100%

    You are giving Trump credit for the trucker shortage?!? Who does something like that??? Seriously , how pathetically desperate are you to find something good to credit Trump’s leadership for accomplishing that you have to go there!

    There are over 40,000 trucking jobs that are vacant right now, and those presently in the field are being worked to death to keep up with the demand. But by all means, spin it so we can give Trump credit for this great development!

    How about crediting Trump for lowering the number of children who will be potential victims of gun violence by 23 every single day?

    Low number of people on welfare isn’t because people are doing better, it’s because the government has made it tougher to qualify for assistance!

    And what sick piece of crap celebrates turning away those in need of asylum?

    These are the things you celebrate about Twitler!

  130. [130] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Republican’s One Commandment

    1. We’re RICH, white, and male... so what is best for us is best for everyone! TRUST US!

  131. [131] 
    Michale wrote:

    JTC,

    Posts [5] through [124]...What drivel. Michale never ceases to plumb the depths of credulity. It's not a competition, Sunshine...you don't have to vie with the coiffed cretin to out-stupid one-another. Trump's act is a solo, he channels the collective idiocy.

    You sure go thru a lot to try and discredit my comments..

    That tells me, since yer nothing but an ideological slave, that I must be getting close to the mark. :D

  132. [132] 
    Michale wrote:

    Low number of people on welfare isn’t because people are doing better, it’s because the government has made it tougher to qualify for assistance!

    Yea, that's the bleeding hearts' claim..

    But, of course, it's unsupported by FACTS...

    And what sick piece of crap celebrates turning away those in need of asylum?

    When the asylum claims are nothing but bullshit driven plans of shyster immigration lawyers..

    Let them immigrate to the country LEGALLY...

    They travel thru an ENTIRE country.. Why the frak don't they request asylum THERE!!

    We have enough deadbeats in this country. They are called Democrats..

    We don't need another country's refuse...

  133. [133] 
    Michale wrote:

    1. We’re RICH, white, and male... so what is best for us is best for everyone! TRUST US!

    It's been working great for the last year and a half..

    Just imagine how awesome it's gonna be when President Trump has a filibuster Senate and a huge majority in the House...

  134. [134] 
    Michale wrote:

    Neil,

    To make it clear to you..

    I trust MSNBC for facts as much as you trust FoxNews or Brietbart..

    I am actually surprised I have to explain it to you..

  135. [135] 
    Michale wrote:

    Just imagine how awesome it's gonna be when President Trump has a filibuster Senate and a huge majority in the House...

    Of course, that should read filibuster-PROOF Senate...

  136. [136] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Michale [134] Okay smartass, he's the same data set from the non-partisan Pew Research Center, dated March 2018:

    http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/1-trends-in-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/

    Higher educational attainment is increasingly associated with Democratic Party affiliation and leaning. At the same time, those without college experience – once a group that tilted more Democratic than Republican – are roughly divided in their partisan orientation.

    These twin shifts have resulted in the widest educational gap in partisan identification and leaning seen at any point in more than two decades of Pew Research Center surveys.

  137. [137] 
    Michale wrote:

    Higher educational attainment is increasingly associated with Democratic Party affiliation and leaning. At the same time, those without college experience – once a group that tilted more Democratic than Republican – are roughly divided in their partisan orientation.

    These twin shifts have resulted in the widest educational gap in partisan identification and leaning seen at any point in more than two decades of Pew Research Center surveys.

    That's nice.. But that's not the poll I saw...

  138. [138] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Trump considers EU to be our biggest foe.

    CBS anchorman Jeff Glor had asked the president who he thought was the nation’s “biggest competitor” or “biggest foe.” Trump named the E.U. first.

    “I think the European Union is a foe,” Trump said. “What they do to us in trade. Now you wouldn’t think of the European Union, but they’re a foe.”

    Vlad will be happy to hear that.

  139. [139] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump considers EU to be our biggest foe.

    Of course, that's not what Trump said...

    But why let FACTS interrupt your hysterical Anti-Trump rant...

  140. [140] 
    Michale wrote:

    I was wondering how long it would take ya'all to harp on this piece of nothingness.. :D

    Ya'all don't disappoint.. :D

  141. [141] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    That's nice.. But that's not the poll I saw...

    But it's as accurate as they come. Why don't you just concede the point that better educated folks are increasingly identifying as Democrats? Democrats have for years touted their strength among the less educated folks as a political strength - proof that they're looking out for the less fortunate. These numbers suggest that a some of them need outreach from Democrats.

    Filling a room with hollerin' hillbillies doesn't bother Trump, why should a party full of 'em bother you?

  142. [142] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Ooo!!! Piece of candy!!! Oooo!!!! Piece of candy!!!"
    -James Woods, FAMILY GUY

    :D

  143. [143] 
    Michale wrote:

    But it's as accurate as they come.

    ONLY because it says what you want to hear...

    Why don't you just concede the point that better educated folks are increasingly identifying as Democrats?

    Because it's PURE UNADULTERATED bigotry..

    I can show you stats that "PROVE" black people commit more crimes..

    That is as much bigotry as your claim is..

    Filling a room with hollerin' hillbillies doesn't bother Trump, why should a party full of 'em bother you?

    Just remember, sunshine.. You are going to NEED a good portion of those "hollerin' hillbillies" to get anywhere in November.. :D

    :D

  144. [144] 
    Michale wrote:

    Democrats have for years touted their strength among the less educated folks as a political strength - proof that they're looking out for the less fortunate.

    And NOW Democrats are demonizing and attacking those "less educated" to no end.. :D

  145. [145] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Of course, that's not what Trump said...

    But why let FACTS interrupt your hysterical Anti-Trump rant...

    Like the Sun interview that Trump called 'fake news', this one was recorded. This one comes with video of Trump saying those words.

    Are you really going to deny that he said that anyway?

  146. [146] 
    Michale wrote:

    Are you really going to deny that he said that anyway

    As usual, you ignore the CONTEXT...

    Why don't you post the EXACT quote in it's entirety..

    Because it proves what a lie your bullshit is..

  147. [147] 
    Michale wrote:

    President answered the reporters question by listing several major economic powers (including the EU), then went on to correct the interviewer:

    "It doesn't mean they're bad. It doesn't mean anything. It means that they're competitors. They want to do well, and we want to do well."

    Context is a bitch, ain't it? Once again, the FACTS show your hysterical bullshit to be just that...

    Bullshit...

  148. [148] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, it's been fun.. But it's TV time with the wifey.. :D

    HOW IT ENDS...

    Looks like a pretty good disaster/end of the world flick...

    I'll be back in the AM to make sure ya'all stick with FACTS and not hysterical bullshit.. :D

    "Hasta lasagna, don't get any on ya"
    -Emilio Estevez, MISSION IMPOSSIBLE

    :D

  149. [149] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Just remember, sunshine.. You are going to NEED a good portion of those "hollerin' hillbillies" to get anywhere in November..

    No we don't. And that's where Bannon's whole "rally the bigots" plan falls apart.

    Bannon, like Rove before him, identified pockets of disgruntled right-leaning voters (in Rove's case, it was evangelicals, Bannon targeted the alt-right) in key swing states with lots of electoral votes, while counting on rural votes in less-populated states to keep him more or less even to the blue coasts in the electoral college. In both cases, they were able to achieve thin victories for their candidates.

    But the midterms is different map. The lion's share of expected gains for Democrats are in purple, not red areas, and the GOP is expected to have an uphill climb among those voters, who include a lot more of your 'squishy' republicants among them.

    The Democrats are responding with turnout and get-out-the-vote campaigns, particularly among women, among whom pollsters say have a higher-than-average enthusiasm for voting this year.

    Not good for Republicans, ne seriez-vous pas d'accord?

  150. [150] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    HOW IT ENDS...

    Looks like a pretty good disaster/end of the world flick...

    Same as our politics, then. Enjoy.

  151. [151] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    Michale...

    "You sure go thru a lot to try and discredit my comments..." Lol, they are self dismissing.

    What cracks me up, no one here cares in the slightest for your wheeling out of rhetoric. It's old hat...Clinton, emails, tin hats made in China...it's all been said, debunked and regarded as yet another right-wing shell-game. You and your Sibling Satraps 'o' Trump have run the board (bored) where skew and cloud are concerned. Why don't you vent on Putin, remember him? the richest man on the planet, who after nearly two decades of earning a steady 100k a year has, with god-like aplomb, amassed a personal fortune twice that of Bill Gates! has it even itched your mind why Trump seems highly motivated to ingratiate himself to this kleptocrat? What do these two have in common? Strange bedfellows indeed?

    The tipping point looms...Trump, in his trashy fashion, will have to pick a side in front of the world's press tomorrow...what do you think he'll say? Nothing? Czar Putin denies his involvement? some fat-shat in his mother's basement hacked the DNC? Obama is a black Mexican Puerto Rican jew abortionist who moonlights as a commandant in a sex-slave camp on Mars?

    Grow up.
    Stupid is reversible.

    LL&P

  152. [152] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    JTC [151]

    Without any reference whatsoever as to who is or is not 'stupid', I dispute your contention that the generic trait itself is "reversible".

    Perhaps you really mean 'ignorance', which usually is to some degree amenable to remediation, but all the evidence I've gleaned in a long lifetime of experience and observation tends for me to strongly conclude the opposite - that stupidity is virtually irreversible.

    Actually, I'd probably re-phrase it to say that while it may well be theoretically reversible, that actual reversal is very close to being unheard of in the real world.

  153. [153] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Arguing about stupid is about par for the course.

  154. [154] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    [152]... I misspoke...I meant to say, now Betsy DeVos has the keys to the asylum, a global overhaul of the US educational system is at hand. One day, one in the not so distant future, the aspirations of an entire generation will approach the heady goals she, as the nation's brightest star, has set for the future leaders of America...On that day, Plato, Shakespeare, Tolstoy and Douglas Adams will develop an urge to spin in their graves.

    Ignorance is by far in a way a more precise label than stupid for the intended purpose. I break with tradition and acquiesce on this occasion.

    LL&P

  155. [155] 
    Michale wrote:

    Remember our previous discussion about all the feces in San Francisco??

    Ya'all... er.. spewed a bunch of ..uh... shit that it was not factually accurate..

    SF Mayor: 'There's More Feces ... Than I've Ever Seen'
    Mayor London Breed discusses her plan to clean up San Francisco in her first one-on-one interview since taking office

    https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/SF-Mayor-Theres-more-feces-on-the-sidewalks-than-Ive-ever-seen-488156431.html

    Even the new Mayor of Frisco says ya'all are.. well.. full of shit.. :D

  156. [156] 
    Michale wrote:

    JTC,

    What cracks me up, no one here cares in the slightest for your wheeling out of rhetoric.

    And yet... here you are once again, going on and on and trying to discredit my "rhetoric"..

    The facts clearly show that you care quite a bit.. :D

  157. [157] 
    Michale wrote:

    Balthy,

    Same as our politics, then. Enjoy.

    Have you seen the movie???

  158. [158] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Democrats are responding with turnout and get-out-the-vote campaigns, particularly among women, among whom pollsters say have a higher-than-average enthusiasm for voting this year.

    Wow..

    I have just traveled back in time to October of 2016... :D

    Let's talk about Democrat enthusiasm after Kavanaugh is confirmed, eh?? :D

  159. [159] 
    Michale wrote:

    JTC,

    The tipping point looms...Trump, in his trashy fashion, will have to pick a side in front of the world's press tomorrow...what do you think he'll say?

    I have no idea.. Unlike ya'all.. I don't pretend to be able to read Trump's mind..

    But I can absolutely guarantee you one thing..

    Short of announcing that he is leaving office, I can guarantee ya'all won't like want Trump is going to say or do....

    Even if what he says or does is the BEST thing for this country...

    No..

    ESPECIALLY if what he says or does is the best thing for this country..

    Ya'all have become a caricature of hatred and intolerance and bigotry..

    I can predict ya'all's actions, practically down the exact verbiage and bile ya'all will spew...

    A tedious, predictable, always wrong caricature...

  160. [160] 
    Michale wrote:

    And in other news..

    Chicago police release body cam video of South Shore police shooting
    http://abc7chicago.com/chicago-police-release-body-cam-video-of-south-shore-police-shooting/3766539/

    We have another police shooting of an armed black man who was going to kill cops and the hysterical Left Wingery is protesting...

    Another good shoot and the Left refuses to accept the FACTS...

  161. [161] 
    Michale wrote:

    Fall Forecast: An Anti-Leftist Electoral Rout

    The angry demonstrators at the Supreme Court didn’t know, and didn’t much care, who Trump’s nominee was. They knew they were against him, as they are against everything Trump wants to do. Perhaps they also know they are losing most of the political fights, and are on the verge of following their McGovernite predecessors into the trash bin of American political history.

    If I had to predict near-term American politics, I’d forecast an anti-leftist electoral rout this fall, with a nasty period of infighting and restructuring of the Democrat Party to follow. To be sure, it’s a very volatile world and lots of unexpected things can take place, but for the moment the Dems look like big-time losers. It seems that the leftist takeovers of the media and the education system are running out of steam. I’ll not be astonished at violence in the streets over the Kavanaugh nomination, but I don’t think it will lead to mass protests of the sort that accompanied the McGovern disaster. Worst of all for the Dems and their “intellectual” fellow-travelers, their distortion of the history of the past couple of centuries has caught up with them, and they are now speaking and writing on behalf of the modern world’s biggest losers.
    https://pjmedia.com/michaelledeen/fall-forecast-an-anti-leftist-electoral-rout/

    That about sums things up..

    For the Democrats, 2018 is going to be a repeat of 1968....

  162. [162] 
    Michale wrote:

    Let's note what Nate Silver says:

    The Senate map is really tough for Democrats, with 26 Democratic seats in play next year (including a newly opened seat in Minnesota after Al Franken announced his intention to retire) as compared to just eight Republican ones. Moreover, five of the Democratic-held seats — the ones in West Virginia, North Dakota, Montana, Missouri and Indiana — are in states that President Trump won by 18 percentage points or more.
    Just how bad is this map for Democrats? It’s bad enough that it may be the worst Senate map that any party has faced ever, or at least since direct election of senators began in 1913. It’s bad enough that Democrats could conceivably gain 35 or 40 seats in the House … and not pick up the two seats they need in the Senate.

    Don’t believe me? Check out the race-by-race ratings put forward by independent groups such as the Cook Political Report, Inside Elections1 and Sabato’s Crystal Ball. They suggest that Democrats are more likely to loseSenate seats next year than to gain them — and that while there’s a plausible path to a Democratic majority, it’s a fairly unlikely one.

    And THAT was in Jan of 2018....

    Since then, things have gotten TONS worse for Democrats....

    It's entirely possible that Dims could lose 10 seats in the Senate, giving the GOP a filibuster proof majority...

    Seriously, people.. Ya'all STILL expecting a "Blue Wave"?? :D

  163. [163] 
    Michale wrote:

    EU official urges Trump, Putin not to destroy global order
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/eu-chief-urges-trump-putin-033201281.html

    We are absolutely going to destroy the World Order..

    Because the current "World Order" is nothing but a bunch of elitists who got tired of lording over countries and now wants to lord over an entire planet..

    "FUCK THAT!!"
    -Loki, DOGMA

  164. [164] 
    Michale wrote:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/16/12/4E4F4BF900000578-5958541-image-a-53_1531741215603.jpg

    What's that POP!! POP!!! POP!!! noise??

    Ahhhh NeverTrumper's heads exploding!!! :D

  165. [165] 
    neilm wrote:

    Well Treasonous Trump's day with Putin started badly when the National Review lam-blasts his phrase "witch hunt" with the headline "Mueller’s Latest Indictments Show That ‘Witches’ Are Very Real" and then kicks you in the proverbials with an article that you'd expect in a real newspaper.

    Ah, and did you hear the latest from Treasonous Trump - it is America's fault that there are bad relations with Russia.

    MRGA!!!

  166. [166] 
    neilm wrote:

    Michale:

    Do you think Putin will give Treasonous Trump an "A+" in his annual review today?

    I mean, there isn't much more he could do to undermine America for Russia's benefit.

  167. [167] 
    Michale wrote:

    Strong retail sales report suggests robust economic growth in the second quarter
    U.S. retail sales rose solidly in June, boosted by increases in purchases of motor vehicles and a range of other goods.
    The Commerce Department said on Monday retail sales increased 0.5 percent last month.
    Data for May was revised higher to show sales rising 1.3 percent instead of the previously reported 0.8 percent gain. May's rise in retail sales was the largest since September 2017.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/us-retail-sales-june-2018.html

    Once again.. Inconvenient FACTS simply stymie the Hysterical NeverTrumper narrative...

  168. [168] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ah, and did you hear the latest from Treasonous Trump - it is America's fault that there are bad relations with Russia.

    And yet, you agreed with Odumbo when he said that it was America's fault that there are bad relations with muslims..

    Hypocrisy much?? :D Much too much.. :D

    At least Trump... excuse me.. PRESIDENT Trump has the advantage of being factually accurate. Due to Odumbo's kowtowing and the Dumbocrats with their Joe McCarthy-ish THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING hysteria, relations with Russia are pretty piss poor..

    Thanx Dumbocrats and Odumbo.. :^/

  169. [169] 
    Michale wrote:
  170. [170] 
    LeaningBlue wrote:

    [163] Ahhhh NeverTrumper's heads exploding!!! :D

    I'm sure you're right in this observation. Just as many House Republicans' heads are exploding, there are many who love and support Anerica's rule of law and its national security who can't stay emotionally or rationally immune from this intensity of the trolling all the time.

    David Ignatius' WaPo column (non-paywalled here https://www.arcamax.com/politics/mod/davidignatius/s-2102269 ) is a good antidote to the nonsense swirling around. It's clear American intel has deeply compromised some fundamental methods of signal protection of Russian state security and of the extended Putin crime family.

    Even while the thug from Leningrad can undoubtedly maintain his poker face and shark eyes during this performance art event in Finland, just imagine what must have been swirling around inside his head these last three days. Don't listen to what his counterpart from Queens says or tweets.

    All the time, there's more reason to believe that the United States of America will be just fine in the end.

  171. [171] 
    neilm wrote:

    LB [170]

    Thanks for the link to Ignatius' column. He makes good points. Regarding the question towards the end, I doubt that the intelligence community are sharing anything except what they have been explicitly ordered to share. Perhaps this is what Putin will be ordering Treasonous Trump to do in Helsinki so Putin can try to find out how American intelligence services completely infiltrated his organizations.

    Also, this might explain the difficulty Jared is having getting clearance.

  172. [172] 
    neilm wrote:

    What is Treasonous Trump hiding from Bolton, Pompeo, and the American People?

    Why does he need a 1-1 with Putin with nobody else there?

  173. [173] 
    Michale wrote:

    All the time, there's more reason to believe that the United States of America will be just fine in the end.

    Exactly..

    President Trump is NOT going to ignite WWIII....

    President Trump is NOT some Manchurian Candidate who is going to hand the US over to Russia...

    All these claims from the hysterical NeverTrumpers indicate one thing and one thing only..

    They simply CANNOT handle the FACT that Donald Trump beat their chosen candidate, their coranated candidate... The candidate whose turn it was...

    And by an Electoral landslide!!

    No wonder they are desperate..

    But, as you say.. The United States of America is going to be just fine..

    I am not so sure how the Democrat Party will fare, however..

    When one looks at the very real possibility of a 7-2 GOP court by 2024...??? Well, I don't think the Democrat Party will be able to hold together..

  174. [174] 
    Michale wrote:

    Why does he need a 1-1 with Putin with nobody else there?

    Oh, that's obvious.. Putin needs to re-program President Trump not to do so much good for the US.. :D

    BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  175. [175] 
    TheStig wrote:

    neilm-171

    Kushner was granted clearance in May. Details of the process are sketchy. Trump has the authority to grant clearance to anybody, but it's not clear if he circumvented the normal chain of authority or leaned hard on somebody. Younger readers will be able to find out in 50 yrs or so :).

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/us/politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance.html

  176. [176] 
    Michale wrote:

    LB,

    From the previous commentary..

    They've probably been blown for months, but now they're essentially on the lamb.

    Actually about 18 months...

    My point is, any intelligence operator worth a damn is not stoopid, by any stretch of the definition.. They have at least a few dozen ingress and egress options that will ensure they can come and go as they please...

    Thanx to the Democrats and NeverTrumpers politicizing our intelligence services, moron politicians are broadcasting our intel secrets and procedures to anyone claiming to be a reporter, it would be child's play for anyone in the GRU to stay 5 steps ahead of US services..

    "You know what Markinson did the first seventeen of his twenty-six years in the Corps? Counterintelligence. Markinson's gone. There is no Markinson."
    -Captain Smilin' Jack Ross

  177. [177] 
    TheStig wrote:

    neilm-172

    "Why does he need a 1-1 with Putin with nobody else there?"

    Because Putin could end Trump's career in about 60 seconds from a standing start? :)

    Total Confidentiality....it takes the worry out of being close. Except for a rogue translator.

  178. [178] 
    Michale wrote:

    Because Putin could end Trump's career in about 60 seconds from a standing start? :)

    Any FACTS that prove this??

    {{chhhiiirrrrppppp}} {{ccchhhhiiiirrrrrppppp}}

    Yea, that's what I figured..

  179. [179] 
    Michale wrote:
  180. [180] 
    Michale wrote:

    JOHN BRENNAN: TRUMP'S PRESS CONFERENCE AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE, 'TREASONOUS'
    'It was nothing short of treasonous'

    https://news.grabien.com/story-john-brennan-trumps-press-conference-impeachable-offense-tre

    NeverTrumpers have lost their friggin minds!! :D

  181. [181] 
    Michale wrote:
  182. [182] 
    Michale wrote:
  183. [183] 
    Michale wrote:

    I have to admit.. I AM getting a *little* tired of all the winning..

    It's getting to be quite boring...

  184. [184] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    As expected...Trump dropped his bollocks on the world stage, again.

    Was anyone really expecting anything less than a full-throated, pro-Russian homily from Trump? Even Paul Ryan reacted with disdain at Trump's allegiance to all things ruskie-poutine.

    Were I American, I'd be profoundly ashamed of my elected leader today...*Also, both Putin and his bitch, Trump are wrong...America isn't a democracy, it's a Constitutional Republic, in the same way North Korea is...it just happens to have democracy as it's system of stewardship.

    Nancy DeVos will ensure that future Americans will never understand this razor's edge distinction.

    LL&P

  185. [185] 
    Michale wrote:

    Were I American, I'd be profoundly ashamed of my elected leader today...*

    Well, yer NOT an American so why not remain silent and have all the Patriotic Americans THINK you are a moron, rather than open yer yap and remove all doubt?? ;D

    Just a friendly suggestion.. You might live happier.. :D

    As expected...Trump dropped his bollocks on the world stage, again.

    And yet, Trump's... excuse me.. PRESIDENT Trump's poll numbers are right up there with Odumbo's poll numbers..

    Funny how that is, eh??

    Have a happy!! Enjoy your continued LUSING... :D

  186. [186] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump's Approval Rating Rises Among Hispanics
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/06/28/trumps_approval_rating_rises_among_hispanics_137382.html

    Ooooooo

    That's just GOTS to annoy you hysterical NeverTrumpers to NO END!!! :D

    Democrats are hemorrhaging black Americans...

    Democrats are losing hispanics by the thousands..

    And Democrats are seeing tens of thousands of LBGQTXYZABC Americans #WalkAway....

    It's not going to be pretty for the Left, the coming mid-terms.. :D

    Democrats can kiss ANY winnings in the coming mid-terms good bye..

  187. [187] 
    neilm wrote:

    Trump's Approval Rating Rises Among Hispanics

    "The Hill" did a poll (oh, did Michale forget to tell you that it was from a right wing site that makes Fox News look like Hillary's Cheer Leading Team?) - and, surprise, surprise, it was good news for Treasonous Trump. What a joke.

  188. [188] 
    neilm wrote:

    Also, Putin refused to deny that he has "compromising material" on Treasonous Trump and his family in his presser.

    He is laughing at America and he Republicans are helping him. What a disgrace.

  189. [189] 
    Michale wrote:

    "The Hill" did a poll (oh, did Michale forget to tell you that it was from a right wing site that makes Fox News look like Hillary's Cheer Leading Team?) - and, surprise, surprise, it was good news for Treasonous Trump. What a joke.

    Ahhh.. So you condemn polls that DON'T say what you want to hear..

    But you APPROVE of polls that DO say what you want to hear..

    Why.. That's positively SHOCKING.. :D

    Face reality, Neil..

    Normally, the Party in power loses Congressional seats in the following mid-term election..

    President Trump and the GOP are poised to SHATTER that normality and actually GAIN significant numbers in both the House and the Senate.. :D

    Better get your waders and your pussy hats ready.. :D

  190. [190] 
    Michale wrote:

    Also, Putin refused to deny that he has "compromising material" on Treasonous Trump and his family in his presser.

    Did he??

    Facts to prove???

    {{chiirrrrrpppppp}} {{{{{cccchhhiirrrrrrppppppp}}}}}

    Yea, figured that.. :D

  191. [191] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    Sorry Michale, but you can't have it both ways...on the one hand you drone-some, boorish, right-wingers want to marinade in the Trumpian era on a global level, yet recoil when the world calls you fools for doing so. The man needs putting back in his rubber condo, sharpish. I know you're disadvantaged by political expediency, the GOP would stick by a Geoclam after eight years of a black man in the WH, it's your tether to the "great white link" that bonds you to this clown. Unless you you want to assert some other quality you share in kind...Ya'll do sound the same to me...that is, like a bowl of beans on it's final journey through a cowpoke.

    You fuckers are a laughing stock the world over because of Trump and his grade eight education, one might think you'd appreciate some non-partisan straight talk.

  192. [192] 
    Michale wrote:
  193. [193] 
    Michale wrote:

    Sorry Michale, but you can't have it both ways...on the one hand you drone-some, boorish, right-wingers want to marinade in the Trumpian era on a global level, yet recoil when the world calls you fools for doing so

    no, I call you because you claim my posts are bullshit, yet you can't let them pass without trying to convince yerself that they ARE bullshit.

    It's YOU who cannot have it both ways..

    If my comments are ridiculous and bullshit, then you should have no problem ignoring them.

    The fact that you engage me PROVES you care about my comments deeply...

    You fuckers are a laughing stock the world over because of Trump and his grade eight education, one might think you'd appreciate some non-partisan straight talk.

    Yea, and yet, we control the government, we control the judiciary and your buddy Democrats are going to get their asses HANDED to them in Nov.. AGAIN.. :D

    So, by all means, go on and on and on about how you don't "care" about my comments, yet are SOOO desperate to refute them.. :D

  194. [194] 
    neilm wrote:

    I trust MSNBC for facts as much as you trust FoxNews or Brietbart..

    Ahhh.. So you condemn polls that DON'T say what you want to hear..

    All I really wanted to do was to laugh when you did a 180 - suddenly when somebody plays the man and not the ball you are all upset - even though in the same comments you did exactly the same thing.

    Hoisted on your own petard there, my friend.

  195. [195] 
    Michale wrote:

    All I really wanted to do was to laugh when you did a 180 - suddenly when somebody plays the man and not the ball you are all upset - even though in the same comments you did exactly the same thing.

    Oh, you have made it clear yer interested in just pushing my buttons..

    Who am I to deny you the simple pleasure of thinking it worked. :D

  196. [196] 
    neilm wrote:

    Treasonous Trump sides with Putin over U.S. - nobody surprised.

    Michale: do you have your "Make Russia Great Again" hat (made in China of course)?

  197. [197] 
    LeaningBlue wrote:

    [176] ...ingress and egress options that will ensure they can come and go as they please..."

    Maybe before, but when a military intelligence officer is made as fully as these poor bastards have been made, most conventional ways to travel are foreclosed, and now they're on the radar of all western covert operators. In any case, these guys aren't 007 types; they're geeks.

    Beyond that, I think Ignatius made the most important point about the damage done to Russia from the tipping of the cards in the indictment's story. It's not even that, for a Russian agent, having your methods and channels so badly compromised might be worse than getting caught, say, in Latvia.

    A movie buff such as yourself, Michale, probably remembers the scene in Enemy at the Gates when then-Commissar Khrushchev comes to replace the stalemated commander in Stalingrad, and ends the conversation by putting a gun on the table, and telling the general "I have to report to the Boss. Perhaps you'd prefer to avoid the red tape."

    This indictment is a full employment act for Russian counterintellegence. This means shutting down all kinds of channels while the plumbing is being checked. And somebody, too, is going to have to report to the Boss that he's certain that everything is cool now.

  198. [198] 
    Michale wrote:

    LB,

    My point is, these guys were made 18 months ago...

    And, according to the hysterical NeverTrumpers, Russia is STILL pulling strings in the US..

  199. [199] 
    Michale wrote:

    Treasonous Trump sides with Putin over U.S. - nobody surprised.

    And ALL on the Left sided with the NUMBER ONE TERRORIST STATE in the world over the US...

    So???

  200. [200] 
    Michale wrote:

    The newest Socialist phenom sides with Hamas over her own country..

    No one here seems to have a problem with that, eh??

  201. [201] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    I notice the female contingent of Weigantia, at least the more rabid Dem/Lib ones, have disappeared.

    I could see it coming. After a solid yr-and-a-half of promising me that getting dirt on Hillary from foreigners, and COMMIES, no less, and even though the dirt never actually materialized, would inevitably lead to trials for treason, money laundering, and gawd-only-know what, inevitably leading to impeachment for the illegitimate Trump.

    What I fear is now that reality has set in, that they've all succumbed to 'slashed wrist syndrome'.

    Now whothehell is going to entertain us with Dem/Lib ideological rantings in the future???

  202. [202] 
    Michale wrote:

    I notice the female contingent of Weigantia, at least the more rabid Dem/Lib ones, have disappeared.

    And it's fascinating that they are BOTH gone... At the same time...

    Things that make you go hmmmmmmm

    What I fear is now that reality has set in, that they've all succumbed to 'slashed wrist syndrome'.

    You ain't seen nothing yet..

    Wait until after this Nov.... We're going to be knee-deep in head-exploded goo...

    Now whothehell is going to entertain us with Dem/Lib ideological rantings in the future???

    Oh I am sure someone will step up...

    :D

  203. [203] 
    BigGuy wrote:

    Michael,

    I cannot help but notice that you have not given us your opinion regarding the press conference.

    At best it made him look weak compared to Putin and will weaken him politically in this country.

    At the other end of the spectrum is someone who will not allow anything to threaten his self image of the election results. This causes him to continue to attack the U. S. intelligence community credibility. The attack started in earnest on January, 21 2017. Recognizing the Russian efforts will not lead to anyone questioning the validity of the election.

    The truth is likely closer to the latter.

  204. [204] 
    LeaningBlue wrote:

    [198] made for 18 months

    That's a good point. It begs the question of whether they detected that they were made 18 months ago. If they were, then necessarily the damage would have been much less.

    There is, of course, no way for any of us to know that.

    I'm still happy about it, though. I have to disclose that I'm an unrepentant cold warrior and don't differentiate from the old Communist criminals who ran the state then and the kleptocrats who run it now.

    Over 40 years ago the majority of my flying in Europe was under NATO orders. Admittedly, that was mainly so it was easier to get off crumby European air bases and get something decent to eat. When we did, we'd never meet any Russians in uniform (that was, and is, sort of the point of NATO). But if I had, at the time I would rather have knee-capped the s.o.b. than shake his hand.
    I'm afraid that I still have the attitude, so, I admit, I'll hope for the worst for Putin and the gang.

  205. [205] 
    Michale wrote:

    I cannot help but notice that you have not given us your opinion regarding the press conference.

    It made hysterical NeverTrumpers heads explode all around the world..

    That makes it an awesome press conference.. :D

    At best it made him look weak compared to Putin and will weaken him politically in this country.

    Considering President Trump is not a real politician, I think he held his own just fine....

    Putin knows that we know.. And we know that Putin knows that we know.. And Putin knows that we know that Putin knows that we know.....

    "Uhh.. What we talkin' bout now???"
    -Chicken Little

    :D

    This causes him to continue to attack the U. S. intelligence community credibility.

    The US intelligence community thru their credibility out the window when they decided to take sides in an Election..

    That's on them, NOT on President Trump..

    The truth is likely closer to the latter.

    And THAT is the problem with you NeverTrumpers. You are all consumed about "truth"... Hell, it's ya'all's "truth" that Hillary won the election as evidenced by ya'all continuing to spew that Vanity Vote crap..

    But, we're (meaning me and my fellow Trump supporters) are in it for FACTS..

    And the FACT is, ya'all STILL have ZERO facts that prove President Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election..

    Hell, the ONLY fact that has been made clear... TWICE... is that NO AMERICANS were involved with the Russians and Russian interference had absolutely NO affect on the election...

    Those facts simply prove the fallacy of ya'all's position..

  206. [206] 
    Michale wrote:

    That's a good point.

    Thank you.. I have my moments..

    It begs the question of whether they detected that they were made 18 months ago. If they were, then necessarily the damage would have been much less.

    What it indicates to me is that, if the US intelligence communities knew about this a year and a half ago, then EVERYTHING Russia did is because the US Intelligence communities ALLOWED them to do it..

    And THAT raises a whole new can o worms..

    It goes back to WHY Obama didn't do anything about the Russians when it was discovered and brought to his attention back in Aug of 2016....

    Obama failed to act BECAUSE OF POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS...

    Hysterical NeverTrumpers are going on and on about what a horrendous attack this is on our Democracy..

    And Obama DID NOTHING DUE SOLELY TO POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS..

    And people have the unmitigated gall to condemn TRUMP!!!????

    On WHAT planet is that reasonable???

    I'm still happy about it, though. I have to disclose that I'm an unrepentant cold warrior and don't differentiate from the old Communist criminals who ran the state then and the kleptocrats who run it now.

    I think we're contemporaries in that regard...

    But as much as I hate my counterparts in the Kremlin et al, I despise even more those in my country who are doing their bidding..

    Russia's goal is to cause strife and mayhem and damned if the Democrats are obliging Russia every step of the way...

  207. [207] 
    BigGuy wrote:

    Who said anything about collusion? My worst case was about his demonstrable insecurity. Waiting on the conclusion of the Mueller investigation and ignoring hyperbolic rhetoric will save me a lot of heartburn.

    I infer from your response that you agree with both presidents (reading between the lines of the transcript) that the indictments are baseless and the U. S. Intelligence agencies are all lying.

  208. [208] 
    Michale wrote:

    Who said anything about collusion?

    Uh.... That's all the hysterical NeverTrumpers have been screaming about for the last almost 2 years..

    NOW you are saying that collusion is not an issue???

    I infer from your response that you agree with both presidents (reading between the lines of the transcript) that the indictments are baseless and the U. S. Intelligence agencies are all lying.

    They are baseless and the intelligence agencies are lying insofar as they are making a non-factual, non-existent connection between the actions of the Russians and President Trump..

    I remind you again what Dep AG Rosenstein made clear.. TWICE...

    1. NO AMERICANS WERE INVOLVED..

    2. NO EFFECT ON THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

  209. [209] 
    Michale wrote:
  210. [210] 
    BigGuy wrote:

    Last on this thread - the scope of the Deputy AG statements was pretty narrow. All it would take is for one or more additional Russians to be indicted to wipe out "no Americans involved".

    Heard an interesting call to C-SPAN that thanked the Russians for interfering, thus stopping evil Hillary.

  211. [211] 
    BigGuy wrote:

    Last on this thread - the scope of the Deputy AG statements was pretty narrow. All it would take is for one or more additional Russians to be indicted to wipe out "no Americans involved".

    Heard an interesting call to C-SPAN that thanked the Russians for interfering, thus stopping evil Hillary.

  212. [212] 
    BigGuy wrote:

    Sorry for the finger stutter doube comment.

  213. [213] 
    Michale wrote:

    Last on this thread - the scope of the Deputy AG statements was pretty narrow. All it would take is for one or more additional Russians to be indicted to wipe out "no Americans involved".

    But here's the thing...

    The Dep AG probably made those comments to assure Americans that their election wasn't tainted..

    Is he going to say, 6 months down the road, "Just kidding!! The election was definitely tainted"

    He would shoot his credibility all to hell if he did that...

    The final report will be the same as the last 2 Russian indictments..

    NO AMERICAN INVOLVEMENT

    NO EFFECT ON THE ELECTION

  214. [214] 
    LeaningBlue wrote:

    ... Rosenstein made clear.. TWICE...
    1. NO AMERICANS WERE INVOLVED...

    At the ellipsis, add "in the indicted acts."

    This is a three act play.

    The first act saw some capos being busted with most pleading out to process crimes to keep the songs they sing unheard for use in scenes later in the play.

    Second act saw some soldiers named, both in and outside jurisdiction. Either way, doesn't matter because they're little fish, and weren't acting on their own volition. But it does increase the tension in ways that even experts on reality tv production don't have the experience to handle.

    The final act, as always, will bring all the plot threads to their demonstrable and logical conclusions. We don't know what those conclusions are going to be. They could be as Michale continues to hope for, or what Maddow proffers, or what Avenatti predicts, or something none of us can even imagine yet.

    I won't be surprised if we just entered intermission. Regardless of how this last act is going to play out, there will be, in any case, less needless moving parts if the intermission were to run until, say, December.

    As I type this, there's news that an asset of A. Torshin just got indicted for a FARA violation. There are two unnamed Americans. Maybe Act II is still going on.

  215. [215] 
    Michale wrote:

    Sorry for the finger stutter doube comment.

    The record is four!!! :D

  216. [216] 
    Michale wrote:

    This is a three act play.

    Like I said to BG above..

    I cannot see AG Rosenstein making a point (TWICE) to specifically state that the election wasn't affected, only to turn around and say, "Just kidding.. The election was totally fraked!!"

    I just can't see that happening..

    Which brings us to another question..

    What do the NeverTrumpers want to happen??

    Do they want to install Hillary and Kaine as P and VP?? Do they just want to get rid of President Trump and deal with President Pence??

    In their perfect world, what would happen???

  217. [217] 
    Michale wrote:
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    LeaningBlue wrote:

    Now I just heard Katie Tur, filling for Todd, who's on All Star Game break, ask her guests about treason, because T. Friedman evidently wrote it today.

    To that I say: ixnay on the easontray. Just like the I- word, it is devisive, premature, and without legal or practical meaning in the here and now.

    That said, I don't have any problem with the moniker Treasonous Trump in posts above, any more than I have any problem with the moniker Odumbo. It's unlikely that anybody who reads this blog gets their panties in a wad over either.

    But I sure as hell don't like people using the former on MSNBC any more than I would like the latter being used on Fox even if I were a red-hatter.

  219. [219] 
    neilm wrote:

    Well it looks like Treasonous Trump is failing the simple test: If you're in a hole, stop digging.

    Very amusing.

    The Lib/ertarian contingent has gone quiet recently, I expect it is because the deal they made with the Republicans is backfiring on them big time - nothing like some strong arming at the border, a trade war, and a anti-abortionist on the SCOTUS to make you look long and hard at your party's platform and wonder why the Democrats are more libertarian than Treasonous Trump and his cronies. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of D&D teenagers who never grew up.

    Trump apologizing for the U.S.s involvement in Russian hacking is one of the weirdest things we've seen from him. Maybe Putin gave him a low grade in his review and he is hoping to do better.

    The World Cup is over. It is a rest day in the TdF, but Treasonous Trump delivered the entertainment for the day - watching the right wing try to apologize for treason.

  220. [220] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump apologizing for the U.S.s involvement in Russian hacking is one of the weirdest things we've seen from him.

    No more strange than Odumbo apologizing for the US killing and torturing terrorists...

    No more strange than Odumbo siding with black terrorists over LEOs....

  221. [221] 
    LeaningBlue wrote:

    [216] In their perfect world, what would happen???

    I think the perfect world would look something like this.

    1. Democrats win the House majority, and Pelosi becomes speaker because it is her turn (again), just as it was Secretary Clinton's turn to be president.

    2. The President is taken aside, he's shown the extent of the evidence of years of laundering Russian mob money, tax fraud, and asbestos removal violations. He resigns in exchange for keeping his business, not to mention staying out of Sing-Sing. He takes his movement into the wilderness to fight another day.

    3. Upon being sworn in, Pence is seized by persistent apoplexy as he realizes there is no one to ape, gaze lovingly upon, or tell him what to think. The four unindicted cabinet secretaries vote unanimously to invoke the 25th Amendment.

    4. Speaker Pelosi becomes president. To paraphrase the commercial I just heard, bada book 'em, bada boom.

    These are very weird times that call for weird solutions, or, at least, a little levity. Good night.

  222. [222] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    I gasped aloud... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCfx-S_7ch8 You know when your run of right-wing approval has fizzled when FOX treats you like something they trod in on the pavement. Regan has form for full-throated Trumpian sycophancy, to hear her spit his name out like a curse is astonishing.

    I know this might dent small egos, but I think Murdoch and Trump are having a lovers quarrel...Trump referred to The Sun newspaper of factual reporting, and therefore 'fake news' and anti-Trump. Old Rupert is as shallow and vapid as Trump...for his 'darling rag' The Sun to be called fake news by an obvious twit hasn't sat well.

    Being sentient, my hopes aren't high for the folks at FOX to maintain this refreshingly accurate view of Trump.

    Seems I wasn't pulling my pisser when I asked the resident apologist how Trump would react on the world's stage, with whom would he pledge allegiance? I think the majority knew the answer yesterday, we all know the answer today.

    Now that's what I call winning.

    LL&P

  223. [223] 
    Michale wrote:

    LB,

    I think the perfect world would look something like this.

    I completely agree with your assessment...

    And THAT shows just how whacked and hysterical the Hysterical NeverTrumpers are..

    Ni ni :D

  224. [224] 
    Michale wrote:

    know this might dent small egos, but I think Murdoch and Trump are having a lovers quarrel...

    Yea, well, you also thought that Hillary was going to be POTUS..

    So, obviously, what you think is so far removed from reality as to be on a different planet...

    Go ahead.. Shower me with tons and tons of words that show how much you "don't care" what I say.. :D

  225. [225] 
    Michale wrote:

    Awwww JTC... Aren't ya gonna tell everyone how much ya don't care about my comments?? :D

  226. [226] 
    James T Canuck wrote:

    What would be the point...I leave overstatement others.

    That would be better, wouldn't it...

    LL&P

  227. [227] 
    Kick wrote:

    rjrap
    2

    https://mashable.com/2018/07/13/zdf-heute-show-trump-blimp-edits/#XQIqqWSSDZqH

    Baby Trump. Wait until it loads. It took a bit on my laptop.

    OMG! These pictures are awesome. :)

  228. [228] 
    Kick wrote:

    Balthasar
    83

    Bloody brilliant, sir. :)

    Thank you for taking the time to set the record straight. It is so refreshing to read facts versus the repetitive drivel from the uneducated and easily conned MAGAts and useful idiots who spew their fabricated propaganda and fake talking points ad nauseam.

    I will say their stupidity is always good for a laugh, though... not at all unlike watching trained seals bellowing and performing for fish bits. :)

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