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Deficit (Chicken) Hawks

[ Posted Thursday, February 8th, 2018 – 18:00 PST ]

The deficit hawks have all flown south, it seems. This is a cyclical migration, because it happens whenever a Republican occupies the White House. When a Democrat moves in, the deficit hawks all return from sunnier climes and begin beating their chests and rending their garments once again. For Washington, this is considered normal.

When Barack Obama was sworn in, he inherited trillion-dollar-plus annual deficits, thanks mostly to the cratering economy and the George W. Bush tax cuts. In his eight years in office, he notably turned things around and got the annual deficits under $500 billion. That's the economy he handed off to Donald Trump.

Trump's first year in office was mostly a continuation of the Obama years, since he didn't have any real say over the policies which had been put in place for that fiscal year. In 2018, however, Trump and the Republicans have taken control, first with their enormous tax cut and secondly with the budget extension they are passing even as I write this.

Last week, the reality of the situation was brought home by a report that the 2018 deficit was projected to be just under a trillion dollars, once again. The reason for the spike (2018 is on track to be roughly double what the 2017 deficit was) is mostly due to the tax cuts. Once again, the Republican myth of "tax cuts pay for themselves" is swiftly proving to be as wrongheaded as ever.

The tax cuts -- even with rosy projections about the annual growth rate -- will cost the public $1.5 trillion in lost revenue over 10 years. The budget bill now being debated will add an extra half-trillion in the next two years alone. This has led to projections of yearly trillion-dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. For all their noise about being the fiscally responsible party, Republicans are proving once again that when they get control of the nation's economy, they are incapable of doing basic addition and subtraction.

All of this has consequences, of course, which ripple outward through the American economy. The stock market has been going crazy for the past week, and part of what is driving the uncertainty is the news that the government will be simultaneously issuing more debt and also ending the practice of buying up some of that debt itself. No, I don't pretend to understand that last sentence, but that's what the economists are saying, at any rate. More government debt on the market pushes out private borrowing and raises interest rates for everyone. This leads investors to reconsider whether their money should be in stocks or bonds. Which has led (among other causes, to be fair) to wild swings in the markets.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost another 1,000 points today. This would have been the largest daily point drop in history, if it weren't for what happened this Monday. We're on track for the biggest weekly loss ever this week. The market has already given back all gains since last November, and so far shows no signs of stabilizing. Panic hasn't set in quite yet, but rampant nervousness surely has.

But throughout all of this, the deficit hawks have been awfully quiet. There are a few Tea Partiers in the House who are grumbling about "spending like drunken sailors," but these sentiments have not been echoed by the Republican leadership -- the way they routinely were under President Obama. The deficit hawks (most of them, at any rate) have now become chicken hawks. President Trump is leading this effort by asking the Pentagon to mount a full-on military parade and display of hardware, like he saw in France. It's pretty tough to argue that spending tens of millions of dollars on such a parade is fiscally responsible, after all. There are plenty of other reasons why a military hardware parade is a monumentally bad idea, but the cost is the easiest to point out to Republicans.

All of this probably won't lead to a backlash among the Republican voters quite yet, but it may set up the conditions on the ground for a second Tea Party-style wave in the future. The massive deficits won't become apparent until after the end of the current fiscal year, and won't really sink in politically until 2019. That, obviously, puts any GOP rank-and-file backlash beyond the upcoming midterm elections. Filing deadlines for running for office are already happening, so any deficit hawk candidates would have to move incredibly fast to even get in the running for 2018. If these deadlines pass before general Republican unease with the deficits appears, then it'll be the 2020 election where this fight will happen. And if the Democrats do well in 2018 and recapture control of the House, the GOP intraparty fights over who was responsible for the loss will only add to the friction.

The best example of the cyclic nature of the deficit hawks' appearance in Congress would have to be disaster relief. When Superstorm Sandy hit New Jersey and New York (both blue states), Republicans in Congress (some from Texas) insisted that any disaster relief money had to be "offset" -- paid for by cutting something else in the budget. This, of course, was when Barack Obama was president. But when the hurricanes hit Texas and Florida last year, there wasn't even the hint of a suggestion among Republicans that disaster relief be offset somehow. Of course, by that time, Donald Trump was in the White House. This is merely one example, but it's the easiest to cite.

Except for an always-disgruntled rump caucus of Tea Partiers in the House, the deficit hawks have either taken wing and flown far away from Washington, or they've turned their feathers to show they are really chicken hawks at heart. It's like the swallows returning to Capistrano, except that it doesn't happen every year. Just when the White House changes hands between the parties. This massive hypocrisy may not be an annual event, but it sure is predictable.

-- Chris Weigant

 

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98 Comments on “Deficit (Chicken) Hawks”

  1. [1] 
    Paula wrote:

    Sigh. Yep. Grrrrr. Yep.

    We are lost as a country unless/until Republicans have to pay a price for their completely predictable and consistent hypocrisies. There's no mystery left - there's no genuine "both sides do it" happening. Dems aren't perfect and yada yada, but they don't consistently campaign on one thing and instantly do the opposite when in power. Republicans do. Over and over and over. Nowadays people with any foresight at all see their shit coming a mile away. Dem bloggers have been saying for months now that the GOP was going to ram through their tax heist and use the predicted rise in the deficit as an excuse to cut SS/Medicare. Ryan - the putrid tube of dribbling pus he is - started yammering about that today, may he rot in hell.

    Deficit Chicken Hawks. Deficit Chickens-are-smarter-and-more-moral-than-thy are Hawks is more accurate.

  2. [2] 
    neilm wrote:

    Credit Rand Paul for gumming things up in the Senate and pointing out the hypocrisy at lease.

    (Paula/Kick - Terry Pratchett has brought so many laughs to me, my kids, my friends and their kids - truly a genius who can span generations!)

  3. [3] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    Pointing out hypocrisy with another huge load of hypocrisy is definitely the way to go. Maybe the GOP should have Thad Cochran beat up Rant Paul.

  4. [4] 
    Kick wrote:

    CW nails it perfectly, of course, and when Republicans are in office, inflation follows... like clockwork. I have a headache from the predictability of the whole bleeding thing.

    neilm: Credit Rand Paul for gumming things up in the Senate and pointing out the hypocrisy at least.

    So another shut down in 3.. 2.. 1. Bollocks! Let the finger pointing and poo flinging begin. I grow weary.

    Couple this with all the other goings on; it's going to be a bumpy year. Trump is griping about Kelly to *drum roll* ............ Priebus. We're living history y'all, and it's going to get bumpier still.

    Yes, there are "tapes"... it's called signals intelligence.. SIGINT. Paging Carter... Carter Page. Enough said.

    Buckle up. It's going to be a bumpy year in more ways than one.

    (Paula/Kick - Terry Pratchett has brought so many laughs to me, my kids, my friends and their kids - truly a genius who can span generations!)

    Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life. ~ Terry Pratchett

  5. [5] 
    neilm wrote:

    Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life. ~ Terry Pratchett

    Damn, Kick! I'd forgotten that one.

    The man was an f'n genius :) Thanks!

  6. [6] 
    neilm wrote:

    OK, so I get shit for at least giving Rand Paul credit for one thing ;)

    I mean, it wasn't like I was agreeing with his core philosophy - he is a seriously, and sadly, self delusional decent guy - his heart is in the right place, even if his head is very self assuredly off in la-la land.

    TLDR; A tit with a heart.

  7. [7] 
    Mezzomamma wrote:

    Favorite Pratchett line? How long do you have? But this one seems apposite at the moment--

    “A good plan isn't one where someone wins, it's where nobody thinks they've lost.” The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents

    PS: Would someone tell me how to apply italics here?

  8. [8] 
    neilm wrote:

    To apply italics, you put the following characters together:

    To start italics

    ""

    To end

    ""

    You can also use "b" for bold (instead of "i").

    Cheers,

    Neil

  9. [9] 
    neilm wrote:

    Damn - they all got parsed out.

  10. [10] 
    neilm wrote:

    Let me try again:

  11. [11] 
    neilm wrote:

    Nope - that didn't work either.

    Let me try to describe:

    less than sign followed by the letter i and then right hand sign

  12. [12] 
    neilm wrote:

    To end, the same as the above, but put a back slash in front of the letter i

  13. [13] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Step 1. Put an “i” between a and place that in front of anything you want to italicize.

    Step 2. At the end of whatever you want italicized, follow the instructions from Step 1 except put a backwards slash “/“ before the “i”.

  14. [14] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Funny, it showed the greater than and less than signs when I hit the preview button, but removed it from the post.

  15. [15] 
    Kick wrote:

    OMG. ***Spew alert.*** Let me try.

    Italics on:
    Italics off:

    Except after the colons, remove any extra spaces and run all the characters together. Okay, it looks good on preview. Here goes nothing.

  16. [16] 
    Kick wrote:

    Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh. It disappeared. This is insane!

    Oh, wait!

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/commenting-tips/#comm21

    __________

    I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it. ~ Terry Pratchett [a true f'n genius]

  17. [17] 
    Mezzomamma wrote:

    Thanks for all the tries and the link,
    neilm, Kick
    and Listen. I've now got a note to copy and paste from.

  18. [18] 
    Michale wrote:

    This massive hypocrisy may not be an annual event, but it sure is predictable.

    Yes, it is..

    On BOTH sides of the aisle... :^/

  19. [19] 
    Michale wrote:

    PS: Would someone tell me how to apply italics here?

    It's simple...

    LESS THAN I GREATER THAN to start the italics and LESS THAN /I GREATER THAN to end the italics....

  20. [20] 
    Michale wrote:

    You can also use the same formula for BOLD

    LESS THAN B GREATER THAN to start the bold and LESS THAN /B GREATER THAN to end the bold....

    There are some codes as well for UNDERLINE and STRIKE THROUGH but I am unaware of those...

  21. [21] 
    Kick wrote:

    neilm
    6

    OK, so I get shit for at least giving Rand Paul credit for one thing ;)

    Well, I wasn't giving you shit. Our friends the libertarians make a lot of sense a lot of the time, but... and pay attention to the "really big but":

    Rand goes on a rant about adding to the deficit when he voted for a tax cut that is projected to add a trillion dollars to that same said deficit. While they obviously take issue with that projection: ¯\_(^^)_/¯

    I mean, it wasn't like I was agreeing with his core philosophy - he is a seriously, and sadly, self delusional decent guy - his heart is in the right place, even if his head is very self assuredly off in la-la land.

    Exactly... the "really big but."

  22. [22] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hay CW,

    Speaking of hypocrisy....

    I have found your MDDOTW recipient....

    #MeToo movement lawmaker investigated for sexual misconduct allegations
    California legislator cut national profile as activist against sexual harassment.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/08/cristina-garcia-california-metoo-398985

    This is exactly why the Dumbocrat Party is also the Hypocrite Party, the Do As I Say, Not As I Do Party....

  23. [23] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    There are some codes as well for UNDERLINE and STRIKE THROUGH but I am unaware of those...

    Thank the comments gods for that!

  24. [24] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    I remember that when Clinton came into office that no matter what Clinton did the deficits were projected to continue for long after he would have served two terms.

    When he left office the surpluses were projected to last for the next twenty years or so.

    Projections are not worth the paper or screen they are projected on.

    Just part of the show.

    "How could you have seen this- it's brand new?"
    "I saw it in a rerun."
    "What's a rerun?"
    "You'll find out."
    Marty's uncle, Marty
    -Back to the Future

  25. [25] 
    Michale wrote:

    Thank the comments gods for that!

    hehehehe :D

  26. [26] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Paula is right that Democrats don't campaign on one thing and then instantly do the opposite when in power.

    They don't wait to get in power, they do it during the campaigns. They complain about the Big Money that Republicans take while they also take Big Money.

    And when they do get in power they put on a good show of a valiant effort before capitulating to the corporate paymasters.

  27. [27] 
    TheStig wrote:

    No surprise there are a lot Pratchett fans among the CW.commentators. I think my favorite is Wyrd Sisters, but on any given day....

    This question is for neilm - are the British and American TP texts slightly, but significantly different? I know this was so for Hitch Hikers Guide, notably the "Belgium" gag in the American series.

  28. [28] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Three cheers and a HOORAY for gov't shutdowns. I remember the panic that ensued over the first ever gov't shutdown. Now it's obvious they are just a joke.

    And there's a message there for Dems/Libs, but I don't believe for a second that they're perceptive enough to get it!

  29. [29] 
    Michale wrote:

    And there's a message there for Dems/Libs, but I don't believe for a second that they're perceptive enough to get it!

    If it doesn't match their Party slavery......

    They won't.....

  30. [30] 
    dsws wrote:

    Ok, let's see if I can do this --

    <i>text that should be in italics</i> will give you text that should be in italics.

    Well, it works in preview.

    Fyi, I did that by typing &lt; and &gt; to make the greater-than and less-than symbols.

  31. [31] 
    dsws wrote:

    Re [20]: Maybe this will inspire you to go on strike.

  32. [32] 
    dsws wrote:

    Ok, strikethrough shows up in the preview, but not in the actual post. Let's try s?t?r?i?k?e? next. That shows up as strikethrough in preview too.

  33. [33] 
    dsws wrote:

    This also shows up as strikethrough in preview. I'll try this in the same post. It does, too.

  34. [34] 
    Michale wrote:

    DSWS,

    Re [20]: Maybe this will inspire you to go on strike.

    You want me to quit posting??

    Say the word and I am gone.. :D

    Fyi, I did that by typing < and > to make the greater-than and less-than symbols.

    "Clever girl..."
    -Calhoun, JURASSIC PARK

    :D

  35. [35] 
    Michale wrote:

    This also shows up as strikethrough in preview. I'll try this in the same post. It does, too.

    I'de give my right nut if you show me how to do that..

  36. [36] 
    dsws wrote:

    Is the last letter of this sentence underlined? It was in the preview.

  37. [37] 
    dsws wrote:

    I have no use for another left nut. How about a couple instances of being just a tad harsher on Republicans than you think is really warranted, while going a smidge easier on Democrats? Not all the way to what you think I would think appropriate, but punch some gleeful séance-operator.

    Meanwhile for preview purposes, some underlined t?e?x?t?. It works in preview too.

  38. [38] 
    dsws wrote:

    No need to actually go on <del>strike</del>, either. Just don't monopolize things too much 'round here, m'kay?

  39. [39] 
    Michale wrote:

    I have no use for another left nut.

    heh :D

    I have no use for another left nut. How about a couple instances of being just a tad harsher on Republicans than you think is really warranted, while going a smidge easier on Democrats?

    I am a LOT less harder on Democrats than the majority here is on Republicans.. I don't, for example, ridicule them for the color of their skin etc etc...

    But, I welcome your suggestions when I should be harder on Republicans than I already am...

    Is the last letter of this sentence underlined? It was in the preview.

    It is not....

  40. [40] 
    Mezzomamma wrote:

    Lord Vetinari, in Jingo: 'Taxation, gentlemen, is very much like dairy farming. The task is to extract the maximum amount of milk with the minimum of moo. And I am afraid to say that these days all I get is moo.'

  41. [41] 
    Paula wrote:

    So cool to find more Terry Pratchett fans! As to quotes, oh boy. I will restrain myself but here's a few:

    From Guards! Guards!:

    Sam Vimes: "And then, of course, there was himself. Just a skinny, unshaven collection of bad habits marinated in alcohol."

    In a fit of prophecy, Sir Terry imagined a figure - The Supreme Grand Master - who could be a Republican Leader today, and the Grand Master's genius is figuring out who to harnesss to do his evil bidding a la Trumpers:

    "Let the other societies take the skilled, the hopefuls, the ambitious, the self-confident. He'd take the whining resentful ones, the ones with a bellyful of spite and bile, the ones who they could make it big if only they'd been given the chance. Give him the ones in which the floods of venom and vindictiveness were damned up behind thin walls of ineptitude and low-grade paranoia.

    And stupidity, too. They've all sworn the oath, he thought, but not a man jack of 'em has even asked what a figgin in."

    This could apply to much of our media as well:

    "The Supreme Grand Master smiled in the depths of his robe. It was amazing, this mystic business. You tell them a lie a, and then when you don't need it anymore you tell them another lie and tell them they're progressing along the road to wisdom. Then instead of laughing they follow you even more, hoping that at the heart of all the lies they'll find the truth. And bit by bit they accept the unacceptable. Amazing."

  42. [42] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Mezzo [40]

    Never heard of "Lord Vetinari", but that is an idiotic rip-off of the classical one about "Getting the most amount of (goose) feathers with the least amount of squawking".

    Cows do not even object to being milked

  43. [43] 
    Michale wrote:

    "The Supreme Grand Master smiled in the depths of his robe. It was amazing, this mystic business. You tell them a lie a, and then when you don't need it anymore you tell them another lie and tell them they're progressing along the road to wisdom. Then instead of laughing they follow you even more, hoping that at the heart of all the lies they'll find the truth. And bit by bit they accept the unacceptable. Amazing."
    -Hillary Clinton

  44. [44] 
    Paula wrote:

    From Witches Abroad:

    "It's a strange thing about determined seekers-after-wisdom that, no matter where they happen to be, they'll always seek that wisdom which is a long way off. Wisdom is one of the few things that looks bigger the further away it is."

    "It had taken many years under the tutelage of Granny Weatherwax for Magrat to learn that the common kitchen breadknife was better than the most ornate of magical knives. It could do all that the magical knife could do, plus you could also use it to cut bread."

    "You can't go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it's just a cage."

    From Maskerade:

    "Gytha Ogg, you wouldn't be a witch if you couldn't jump to conclusions, right?"
    Nanny nodded. "Oh, yes." There was no shame in it. Sometimes there wasn't time to do anything else but take a flying leap. Sometimes you had to trust to experience and intuition and general awareness and take a running jump. Nanny herself could clear quite a tall conclusion from a standing start."

    Also:

    "Lancre had always bred strong, capable women. A Lancre farmer needed a wife who'd think nothing of beating a wolf to death with her apron when she went out to get some firewood."

    And:

    "Nanny's philosophy of life was to do what seemed like a good idea at the time, and do it as hard as possible. It had never let her down."

  45. [45] 
    Michale wrote:

    Cows do not even object to being milked

    "Yea, pretty much anything with nipples can be milked."
    "I have nipples, Greg. Can you milk me?"

    -MEET THE PARENTS

    :D

  46. [46] 
    Paula wrote:

    From Interesting Times:

    "Cohen didn't bother to answer. He was thinking: six old men. And you can't really count Teach, he's a thinker, not a fighter…

    Self-doubt was not something regularly entertained within the Cohen cranium. When you're trying to carry a struggling temple maiden and a sack of looted temple goods in one hand and fight off half a dozen angry priests with the other there is little time for reflection. Natural selection saw to it that professional heroes who at crucial moments tended to ask themselves questions like 'What is my purpose in life?' very quickly l lacked both.

    But: six old men…and the Empire had almost a million men under arms.

    When you looked at the odds in the cold light of dawn, or even this rather pleasant warm light of dawn, they made you stop and do the arithmetic of death. If the Plan went wrong…

    Cohen bit his lip thoughtfully. If the the Plan went wrong it'd take them weeks to kill all of them."

  47. [47] 
    Paula wrote:

    Also from Witches Abroad:

    "That's because you're basically good," said Magrat. "The good are innocent and create justice. The bad are guilty which is why they invent mercy."

  48. [48] 
    Mezzomamma wrote:

    [42] CRS

    In Terry Pratchett's Discworld, Lord Vetinari is The Patrician of the city of Ankh Morpork (based on various Medicis). One man, one vote: he is the Man and he has the vote. Although an ur-politician, he is a city man.

  49. [49] 
    Michale wrote:

    “The brave men and women who have selflessly served our nation with courage and skill in Iraq and Afghanistan deserve a recognition for their sacrifice. I stand with Senator Schumer in his call for a parade to honor our veteran heroes, and New York City would be proud to host this important event.”
    -NYC Mayor DeBlasio

    Apparently, Dumbocrats LOVE military parades.

    When THEY suggest them... :^/

  50. [50] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    I don't think that's the kind of parade Trump has in mind.

    But, if he opts for a parade strictly to honour veterans and servicemen and women then that would be a better idea.

  51. [51] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Mezzo

    Thanks, but I detect Sci-Fi, and that's something I never learned to appreciate.

  52. [52] 
    Michale wrote:

    Interesting test...

    https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

    My score:

    Your Political Compass
    Economic Left/Right: 0.88
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.51

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/baaf33f945154670380956c5546dbd556c1ce3afa4f8bab7fc6ae6b3473f3d5b.png

  53. [53] 
    Michale wrote:

    Interesting test...

    politicalcompass.org/test

    My score:

    Your Political Compass
    Economic Left/Right: 0.88
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.51

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/baaf33f945154670380956c5546dbd556c1ce3afa4f8bab7fc6ae6b3473f3d5b.png

  54. [54] 
    Michale wrote:

    Thanks, but I detect Sci-Fi, and that's something I never learned to appreciate.

    I assume you mean "detest".. :D

    That's not really sci-fi, but rather fantasy and, in THAT, I agree with you..

    I detect fantasy..... :D

    It's not surprising that there is a huge following for Fantasy here in the People's Republic Of Weigantia...

    Their entire political belief structure is fantasy....

    :D

  55. [55] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Michale

    I think you nailed that one. For those of our buddies (apparently all of 'em) who live in a world of fantasy, fantasy literature is bound to seem appealing.

  56. [56] 
    Kick wrote:

    Paula
    41

    Awesome! And so true.

    Thank you. :)

  57. [57] 
    Kick wrote:

    Kick

    Testing.

  58. [58] 
    Kick wrote:

    Testing again.

  59. [59] 
    Kick wrote:

    dsws
    38

    Thanks. Now I just need to figure out how to get underlining to work and draw a box.

    Somebody draw me a box and show me how, please. :)

  60. [60] 
    Mezzomamma wrote:

    Portable devices that you could use to talk to someone anywhere in the world were once only fantasy.

  61. [61] 
    Michale wrote:

    Portable devices that you could use to talk to someone anywhere in the world were once only fantasy.

    No, they were science fiction...

    Devices that you could use to talk to someone in Narnia or Mordor..

    THAT's fantasy...

  62. [62] 
    Michale wrote:

    Science Fiction is predictive..

    Fantasy is allegoric...

    Fantasy is for people who can't handle reality... :D

  63. [63] 
    Paula wrote:

    It's telling Stuck-like-a-burr-to-the-spigot-i, and the Spigot, don't like Terry Pratchett -- so they pronounce, without having read him -- or don't like the idea of Terry Pratchett's writing.

    Probably had I not given into the impulse to compare Trumpers to the weaselly conspirators in Guards, Guards! they might have felt less need to attack the writer/writing. Spiggie should have attacked me, not Terry Pratchett. (Although the Spigot did one of his trademark cut and pastes with the zinger of "Hillary Clinton" at the end because that's his idea of clever.)

    Terry Practchett's books are actually affectionate send-up's of Fantasy novels, BTW -- or, more accurately, TP began by poking fun at fantasies then his books evolved into works that are unique in their humor, depth and creativity.

  64. [64] 
    Michale wrote:

    Waaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    Prozac-Girl...

    Would you like some cheeze with yer whine?? :D

  65. [65] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Michale-

    Don't get too proud of yourself. Star Trek is more science fantasy than science fiction...

  66. [66] 
    Paula wrote:

    Of course, it's best that Spiggie eschews TP - I think satire would be impenetrable to Trumpers, especially mixed with fantasy elements. Trumpers -- who actually believe Blotus is the fantasy created in his TV show -- would be hopelessly confused.

  67. [67] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    CRS

    Cows do not even object to being milked

    Spoken like someone who has never been kicked by the cow he was trying to milk.

  68. [68] 
    Michale wrote:

    Don't get too proud of yourself. Star Trek is more science fantasy than science fiction...

    Hay now!!!!

    Let's not be saying things we can't take back!!!!!!

  69. [69] 
    Paula wrote:

    http://kentucky.gov/Pages/Activity-stream.aspx?n=AttorneyGeneral&prId=497

    Today, Attorney General Andy Beshear announced that former Campbell County District Judge Timothy Nolan has pleaded guilty to numerous felony charges, including human trafficking of adults, promoting human trafficking of minors and unlawful transaction with minors...

    Nolan served as a district judge in the late 1970s and early 1980s and had become a well-known political figure. He campaigned locally for President Donald Trump, was vocal on many conservative/tea party issues, and was elected to the Campbell County School Board in 2016…

    He used drugs, threats of arrest and threats of eviction to force women and girls under the age of 18 into sex acts, according to the charges read in court by Judge Kathleen Lape.

    Nolan pleaded guilty to 21 counts dating back to 2004. In addition to human trafficking and attempted human trafficking, the charges included giving drugs and alcohol to minors.

    Trumpers.

  70. [70] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    LWYH

    I didn't grow up around cows, so I don't know much about milking by hand, but I live in big dairy country, where all the cows are milked by machines, and they do not seem to object.

  71. [71] 
    chaszzzbrown wrote:

    [66] LWYH

    Spoken like someone who has never been kicked by the cow he was trying to milk.

    (Since everyone is having fun experimenting today, let's see if fancy HTML is supported here...)

    Back at the dawn of time, I spent a year working on a small farm that had three or four cows to milk (all by hand, no machines!). On Sundays, the regular milker would take the morning off to sleep in, and I was expected to stand in for her.

    Well, having been raised in suburban Long Island, my technique wasn't as, erm, refined as hers. And the cows objected to my mistreatment in many ways - kicking me being just the most blatant.

    The worst was when they would wait for me to almost fill the bucket, then kick it over, spilling the contents into the muck; and I swear they would look back and smirk at me!

  72. [72] 
    chaszzzbrown wrote:

    [70] Me...

    Well, I guess no DIV support, then! :)

  73. [73] 
    Michale wrote:

    LOCUST GROVE, Ga. – A police officer whose wife is expecting the couple's second baby was killed Friday and two deputies were seriously wounded in a shooting that also left a suspect dead south of Atlanta, authorities said.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/09/authorities-say-multiple-officers-shot-south-atlanta.html

    Cop killing Dumbocrats.. :^/

  74. [74] 
    Paula wrote:

    [72] Bullshit. Your usual rw slander, whereas the Trumper-Judge was a party operative, a avowed Tea Partier, an avowed Trump-supporter, holding office as a Republican, and he is going to jail.

    Your article has nothing about the perp at all. There's nothing in there to indicate the political persuasion - if any - of the shooter. Certainly nothing that indicates the shooter is a Judge or other significant figure in the Democratic Party.

    From your piece: The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has been called in to investigate the shootings. GBI spokeswoman Nelly Miles said the suspect's relatives were being notified before his name is released.

    It noted no one knows who started the shooting.

    You are as lazy as Blotus - you just copy and paste any old thing without even reading it.

    Trumper.

  75. [75] 
    Michale wrote:

    Prozac-Girl,

    It noted no one knows who started the shooting.

    Of course... It's the cop's fault..

    Why do you hate Law Enforcement so much??

  76. [76] 
    Michale wrote:

    Dem Senator Who Hit Ex-Wife Sits Out Rob Porter Abuse Scandal
    Delaware's Tom Carper admitted to giving his ex-wife black eye

    Delaware senator Tom Carper, a Democrat who has admitted to hitting his ex-wife hard enough to give her a black eye, will not be commenting on the scandal surrounding spousal abuse by now-resigned White House official Rob Porter.
    http://freebeacon.com/politics/dem-senator-hit-ex-wife-sits-rob-porter-abuse-scandal/

    Dumbocrats.. All wife-beaters.... :^/

  77. [77] 
    Michale wrote:


    Multiple Democrats Currently Involved In Child Sex Scandals
    ByRYAN SAAVEDRA September 13, 2017
    Democratic Seattle Mayor Ed Murray resigned Tuesday after more allegations of child sexual abuse surfaced in what is becoming a disturbing pattern of Democratic politicians involved in crimes and allegations of child sexual abuse — scandals largely ignored by the media.

    Murray’s resignation, effective 5 p.m. on Wednesday, comes after a fifth allegation of child sexual abuse surfaced on Tuesday — this time from a family member.

    However, Murray’s alleged behavior is not alone; several major Democrats are facing charges or received convictions regarding sexual crimes related to children over the past year.
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/20982/multiple-democrats-currently-involved-child-sex-ryan-saavedra

    Dumbocrats.. The Party of child molesters... :^/

  78. [78] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ
    67

    Spoken like someone who has never been kicked by the cow he was trying to milk.

    Yes, sir. Exactly what I was thinking. :)

  79. [79] 
    Kick wrote:

    C. R. Stucki
    70

    I didn't grow up around cows, so I don't know much about milking by hand...

    You, sir, have a tendency to disbelieve that which you know nothing about. You insisted that the colonists did not pay bounty for scalps of Indians, you pooped on the idea any monarch of England descended from Portuguese ancestors, and today you proclaimed that "cows do not even object to being milked."

    Note to Stucki: Things that you don't know about or have never experienced could actually be facts. I'm not trying to be mean either because I had to learn this lesson for myself. I can't say how I learned it, but I can say it happened OTJ. :)

  80. [80] 
    Paula wrote:

    The Spigot goes trawling, not to actual newspapers with current AP reports, but to rightwing propaganda rags and outlets running mashups of warmed-over allegations. Every week we get new, sourced, disgusting Trumper-supporter stuff, while Spiggie brings up Anthony Wiener and Bill Clinton retreads. (Which shows how desperate for both-sides-do-it rightwing propagandists ARE. They got nuthin' and have to recycle old crap.)

    Trumpers OWN the cesspool -- you elected a peeping-tom predator who beat up his wife after his sad little scalp operation failed; who pays off porn actresses after screwing them while wives are at home with newborns, and who oozes into dressing rooms where young beauty pageant contestants are changing clothes.

    Ah well, being a Trumper is tough, especially when your beloved is so spectacularly unworthy in every way. Of course, he's not really your leader anyway, Putin is. You bootlick a disgusting dirty old man who licks Vladimir Putin's feet (or other anatomy) for money. Your dirty old man hero is just another prostitute.

  81. [81] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Kick [79]

    Google americanheritage.com/content/who-invented-scalping

  82. [82] 
    chaszzzbrown wrote:

    Here is some text within a <blockquote></blockquote> tag.

  83. [83] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    That's a neat trick

  84. [84] 
    Michale wrote:

    Prozac-Girl,

    I am simply doing EXACTLY what you are doing.

    :D

  85. [85] 
    Michale wrote:

    Three men received life sentences -- plus decades of additional prison time -- Friday following their December convictions in the "revenge" slaying of a 7-year-old girl.

    Authorities in Shelby County, Tenn., said defendants Carlos Stokes, 25; Jordon Clayton, 24; and Branden Brookins, 22, killed Kirtsen Williams, who was playing with a friend and a sibling in the front yard of a Memphis home in April 2015.

    Prosecutors said Stokes wanted revenge for the death of his sister, Cateria Stokes, 15, who was killed earlier the same day in a drive-by shooting linked to an ongoing dispute over a 2014 drug deal gone wrong, the Commercial Appeal reported.

    "They were hunting this girl, basically," Judge James Lammey said, according to the newspaper.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/10/life-sentences-for-3-in-revenge-killing-7-year-old-girl.html

    Dumbocrats.... Not only child molesters, but child murderers as well...

  86. [86] 
    Michale wrote:

    Spoken like someone who has never been kicked by the cow he was trying to milk.

    So, you have been kicked in the head by cows??

    Well... THAT explains a lot.. :D

  87. [87] 
    Michale wrote:

    Illegal immigrant cheers after being found guilty of killing two California deputies, threatens to 'kill more cops'
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/09/illegal-immigrant-cheers-after-being-found-guilty-killing-two-california-deputies-threatens-to-kill-more-cops.html

    Left wingers... :^/

    Why do you Lefties hate cops so much???

  88. [88] 
    John M wrote:

    [70] C. R. Stucki

    "I didn't grow up around cows, so I don't know much about milking by hand, but I live in big dairy country, where all the cows are milked by machines, and they do not seem to object."

    Then why is there a government regulations that limits the amount of pus that goes into your milk during the milking process with those machines from the sores that develop on the cow's udder from the use of those machines?

  89. [89] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    John M

    w the hell would I know that, but the question being debated here is NOT does the milking machine cause sores on the cow, it is does the cow object to being milked?

    Evidently she does when Chazzz is doing the milking by hand, but I've seen a lot of cows being milked by machine, and have never heard a "MOOO" as some Pratchet person supposedly claimed with his half-assed rip-off of the classic "Most feathers with the least squawking" taxation joke.

  90. [90] 
    John M wrote:

    [89] C. R. Stucki

    "w the hell would I know that, but the question being debated here is NOT does the milking machine cause sores on the cow, it is does the cow object to being milked?"

    I would think that if the cow developed pus filled ulcers on her udder, she would object to being milked, wouldn't you?

  91. [91] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    John M

    Sorry, I wouldn't know, ya might have to ask some 'udder' guy about that.

    I just know they do not normally "Mooo" while being milked, like the author implied.

  92. [92] 
    Kick wrote:

    C. R. Stucki
    81

    Google americanheritage.com/content/who-invented-scalping

    No. :)

  93. [93] 
    Kick wrote:

    chaszzzbrown
    82

    Charles Brown, Esq!

    Thank you. I owe you one. :)

  94. [94] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Kick

    Under no circumstances may you Google americanheritage.com to learn the true origins of the barbaric custom of scalping. We MCP's demand that our womenfolks languish in ignorance. Give 'em even a sip at the Pierian Spring and before you know it, they're getting all uppity and bossy!

  95. [95] 
    Kick wrote:

    C. R. Stucki
    94

    The guy who insisted the colonists did not pay a bounty for scalps wants to deflect to who invented it and pretend that I don't know.

    Keep digging. :)

  96. [96] 
    Kick wrote:

    C. R. Stucki
    94

    The guy who insisted the colonists did not pay a bounty for scalps wants to deflect to who invented it and pretend that I don't know.

    Keep digging. :)

  97. [97] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    Kick

    As I recall, the genesis of that original exchange was 100% based on the question of Who invented the custom?

    Your whole point of claiming that it was the colonists who started it and that the Indians adopted it from them was to absolve them of being barbarians (Rampant PC).

    You're the deflector here, not I.

  98. [98] 
    Kick wrote:

    C. R. Stucki
    97

    As I recall, the genesis of that original exchange was 100% based on the question of Who invented the custom?

    Wrong. CW used a phrase for which he opined could be considered racist, to which you responded he was being overly politically correct.

    Your whole point of claiming that it was the colonists who started it and that the Indians adopted it from them was to absolve them of being barbarians (Rampant PC).

    Wrong again. No one claimed that the colonists started it, but it was John M who answered your comment about CW with his opinion that it wasn't overly PC and why he thought so, which post included the fact that the colonists offered bounties for scalps of Indians. You then responded to JM saying that was a lie... so if anyone was trying to "absolve" anyone, it was your absolution of the colonists.

    Your deflection about "who invented the custom" was never an issue and merely another deflection in order to distract from my factual statement regarding your "tendency to disbelieve that which you know nothing about."

    Please keep providing proof that you "languish in ignorance." :)

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