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Friday Talking Points -- Our President's Crazy, Did You Hear What He Said?

[ Posted Friday, April 24th, 2020 – 16:22 UTC ]

We have shown what we consider to be a massive amount of restraint during Donald Trump's term as president, in that we've only used that headline once previously. The line comes from a Talking Heads song ("Making Flippy Floppy") which was referencing Ronald Reagan, at the time it was written. We did consider two other headlines today: "Our National Nightmare Continues: Trump Suggests Injecting Bleach. Or Sunshine," as well as: "Stable Genius Offers Lethal Suggestions: Injecting Bleach Or Sunshine," but upon reflection we decided that the Talking Heads line was more deserved this week than ever before. Because the president is now giving people advice which, if followed, will kill them. In other words: our president's crazy, did you hear what he said?

Of course, earlier in Donald Trump's peripatetic response to the coronavirus, a man died because he drank chemicals intended to clean fishtanks -- because he thought it was the same thing as the miracle drug Trump was actively touting on a daily basis. So you'd think Trump would already be aware that sometimes people stupidly act on his advice with lethal consequences.

If so, you'd be wrong. Because yesterday, Trump tossed out a few more lethal ideas, including injecting bleach or isopropyl alcohol or somehow defying the laws of physics by getting ultraviolet light inside the body... somehow... to fight off the coronavirus.

Before we get any further, a disclaimer is necessary. DO NOT do these things. They WILL kill you. So don't even try. Just don't. Even if you love Trump and everything he does, DO NOT take his suggestions. Because no matter how loyal you are, no matter how many "Make America Great Again" hats you own, it will still kill you dead. Period.

Sigh. The fact that the previous paragraph was even necessary shows the depths to which America has now sunk. Remember when Republicans tried to scared the bejeezus out of everyone by warning of Obamacare's supposed "death panels"? Now a Republican president is suggesting that people form their own death panels and inject some bleach, just to see what would happen.

Let's go to the official transcript, to understand just how stable a genius is in charge of the country right now. Just after a presentation about how various things affect how fast the coronavirus dies on surfaces and in the air, which included information about disinfectants like bleach or rubbing alcohol as well as ultraviolet light, Trump jumped in with his own brainstorm:

Thank you very much. So I asked Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of, if you're totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous -- whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light -- and I think you said that that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that too. It sounds interesting.

The number of rather basic things Trump doesn't understand in this one paragraph is rather astounding. First, it's pretty obvious that even if Trump did float the idea to the scientists, in no way did they ever say they're "going to test that too." Because they are not morons, of course. And how exactly is Trump going to get light "inside the body"? The only waves in the electromagnetic spectrum strong enough to do so are things like X-rays and other hard radiation, of course. Visible light or even ultraviolet light just doesn't do that sort of thing. Even strong ultraviolet light is pretty dangerous -- it's what causes sunburn, after all. But according to Trump, this could happen "through the skin or in some other way." Well, it won't work through the skin, so what other way is he even thinking about? Cutting people's lungs open and laying them out in the sunlight? Or what? Maybe he's just patting himself on the back for doing such a great job for the past few months by "blowing sunshine up everyone's ass"? That could actually be it, now that we think about it.

But amazingly, this wasn't even the stupidest or most lethal thing Trump suggested. He continued:

Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute! And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds -- it sounds interesting to me. So we'll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute, that's -- that's pretty powerful.

Again, the disinfectants under discussion were bleach and isopropyl alcohol, both of which are highly toxic (that's why they are disinfectants in the first place, after all) and should never be injected into a human body. It's difficult to follow Trump's tortured syntax, but he also seems to be suggesting that maybe people could just breathe it in ("almost a cleaning" and then talking about the lungs). The worst constructed sentence was of course: "So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with." Which is somewhat of a relief, because no sane medical doctor is ever going to go along with such an obviously lethal course of action.

Since there were a few actual medical experts in the room with Trump, the reporters turned to them to see what they thought about the idea. The acting D.H.S. undersecretary (with the unwieldy title: "Senior Official Performing the Duties of the Under Secretary for Science and Technology") who had just given the presentation on disinfectants was first asked about the concept:

But I -- just, can I ask about -- the president mentioned the idea of cleaners, like bleach and isopropyl alcohol you mentioned. There's no scenario that that could be injected into a person, is there? I mean --

His answer was swift and unequivocal:

No, I'm here to talk about the findings that we had in the study. We won't do that within that lab and our lab.

Trump then tried to walk back his suggestion: "It wouldn't be through injection," even though that is exactly what he had just proposed.

Later, while declaring himself a mental giant once again, he turned and asked Dr. Deborah Birx whether it would be a good idea or not.

I would like you to speak to the medical doctors to see if there's any way that you can apply light and heat to cure. You know -- but if you could. And maybe you can, maybe you can't. Again, I say, maybe you can, maybe you can't. I'm not a doctor. But I'm like a person that has a good [points to his own head] you know what.... Deborah, have you ever heard of that? The heat and the light, relative to certain viruses, yes, but relative to this virus?

Dr. Birx was equally clear in her answer: "Not as a treatment." Although, in the first official transcript of the briefing the White House released, this was reported as: "That is a treatment." It was later changed to reflect the reality of what she had said.

Trump tried to get right back on the horse that just threw him: "I think it's a great thing to look at. I mean, you know. Okay?"

When a reporter chided Trump for providing "rumors" rather than hard scientific information, Trump attacked the reporter. Because of course he did.

In the 24 hours after all this happened, the reactions have been raising the alarm. As well they should be, when the president of the United States tells the public it might be a good idea to inject some bleach.

First, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany (who has only been on the job three weeks) tried to pin it all on the media somehow taking Trump's words "out of context":

President Trump has repeatedly said that Americans should consult with medical doctors regarding coronavirus treatment, a point that he emphasized again during yesterday's briefing. Leave it to the media to irresponsibly take President Trump out of context and run with negative headlines.

I guess, in her world, "you're going to have to use medical doctors with" equates to "consult." And it's pretty impossible not to "run with negative headlines" when the president is suggesting injecting lethal substances.

Would anybody actually be stupid enough to follow Trump's advice? Sadly, the answer to that is not "no, of course not." It was revealed today that over 100 people had already called into Maryland's emergency hotline asking whether injecting or ingesting disinfectants could help cure COVID-19. Once again: it cannot -- it will KILL YOU instead. Maryland's state emergency management agency had to issue a warning: "This is a reminder that under no circumstances should any disinfectant product be administered into the body through injection, ingestion or any other route."

The corporation that makes Lysol also put out a strong public warning:

As a global leader in health and hygiene products, we must be clear that under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route). As with all products, our disinfectant and hygiene products should only be used as intended and in line with usage guidelines.

Trump's own former Food and Drug Administrator Scott Gottlieb went on the airwaves to reinforce this message:

I think we need to speak very clearly. There's no circumstance under which you should take a disinfectant or inject a disinfectant for the treatment of anything, and certainly not the treatment of coronavirus. There's absolutely no circumstance in which that's appropriate, and it can cause death and very adverse outcomes, so people should not be doing that if that was an impression that was left by any of the reporting around comments that have been made in the last 24 hours.

Meanwhile, Trump toady Rudy Giuliani was doubling down on the stupidity, suggesting to Fox News that the government also contact trace for cancer, obesity and heart disease, which is, of course, impossible, since they are not contagious diseases.

But back to Trump's lethal idiocy. More reactions poured in:

Regardless of the intent behind Trump's statements, they compelled the American Cleaning Institute, which represents the manufacturers and formulators of various cleaning products, to publish a news release Friday "in response to speculation about the use of disinfectants in or on one's body."

"Disinfectants are meant to kill germs or viruses on hard surfaces. Under no circumstances should they ever be used on one's skin, ingested or injected internally," the A.C.I. said. "We remind everyone to please use all hygiene, cleaning and disinfecting products as directed in order to ensure safe, effective and intended use of those products."

Even Surgeon General Jerome Adams appeared to caution against the president's advice, reminding Americans in a tweet to "PLEASE always talk to your health provider first before administering any treatment/medication to yourself or a loved one."

"Your safety is paramount, and doctors and nurses... have years of training to recommend what's safe and effective," Adams wrote.

Rep. Will Hurd of Texas was one of the first Republican lawmakers Friday to break with the White House over Trump's enthusiasm for disinfectants, saying elected officials should "leave the guidance on health to health professionals."

"Nobody should drink disinfectant," Hurd told MSNBC. "I think that's pretty clear, and we should be listening to doctors and scientists on this issue. I'm not listening to any politician on health-related issues."

Later today, Trump tried to explain it all away as some sort of joke -- he was just "asking a question sarcastically to reporters... just to see what would happen." Nobody on Planet Earth believed him, however, since the video clearly shows no signs of sarcasm whatsoever and also shows Trump asking the question to his own doctors and not to the journalists present.

To fully understand why it is impossible to believe that Trump was in any way joking, two previous events must be examined. The first is that the V.A. released a report earlier this week showing that Trump's favorite miracle cure to date -- hydroxychloroquine -- kills people when administered to fight coronavirus. More people than in the control group which didn't get it, in fact. Trump's been eager to tout this as a cure-all, but now cannot do so (although he still "hasn't read the report" from the V.A. and likely never will). So he's been flailing around looking for some other magic cure.

And just in the nick of time, a quack contacted Trump about the wondrous (and non-existent) healing powers of bleach. The Guardian broke the story of how snake-oil salesman Mark Grenon sent a letter to the White House this week touting his chlorine dioxide bleach panacea:

The leader of the most prominent group in the U.S. peddling potentially lethal industrial bleach as a "miracle cure" for coronavirus wrote to Donald Trump at the White House this week.

In his letter, Mark Grenon told Trump that chlorine dioxide -- a powerful bleach used in industrial processes such as textile manufacturing that can have fatal side-effects when drunk -- is "a wonderful detox that can kill 99% of the pathogens in the body". He added that it "can rid the body of COVID-19".

A few days after Grenon dispatched his letter, Trump went on national TV at his daily coronavirus briefing at the White House on Thursday and promoted the idea that disinfectant could be used as a treatment for the virus.

This fills in the cracks, obviously. Trump is denied his favorite miracle cure, desperately seeks another, and a letter arrives from a snake-oil salesman touting the magic properties of drinking bleach. So Trump decides to float this idea to his experts on live television. With disastrous results.

This, from a man who swears that the noise from wind turbines somehow causes cancer. This, from a man so deeply insecure that he had to take a Sharpie to a weather map because a hurricane didn't go where Trump said it was going to go.

How does a person live through seven decades on this planet without ever learning that injecting bleach can kill you? How does a person that old not understand how light works when it hits solid bodies? The president of the United States is supposed to be smarter than the average fifth-grader. But, sadly, this one is not. Which is why so many experts are begging Trump's supporters not to inject bleach, just because their Dear Leader said it might be a great idea.

This is where we are as a nation, folks. At least until next January.

 

Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week

Last week, we mused whether Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi would wind up disappointing us this week, since at that point the deal over the next bailout bill had not yet been struck and we did not think she was doing the best job of getting her side of the story out in the media.

We retract this speculation, and hereby award Speaker Pelosi the Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week award, for not only getting a much better deal than what Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell had originally offered, but also for doing an absolute stellar job of explaining the whole thing to the American public this week.

In particular, we urge everyone to watch Pelosi's interview on this Wednesday's PBS NewsHour, which was given right after the deal had been struck. Not only does she hit it out of the park in the interview itself, she appears to be actually beaming with joy over the outcome.

She made the case for why the Democrats were demanding more from McConnell, she explained how Democrats had gotten most of what they were demanding, and she outlined what will be in the next bailout bill, which she swore would originate in the House this time around. And she also took a few potshots at Donald Trump, for his woefully inadequate response to the crisis:

And so that's why I am saying that [President Donald Trump] is a poor leader. He ignores his own responsibility and assigns blame, instead of taking responsibility, paying attention to science, recognizing the word -- the role of governance in all of this to get the job done for the American people.

And so he's engaged in distractions like immigration, distractions like supporting people [demonstrators] on the street. They are all distractions away from the fact, the known fact, that he's a total failure when it comes to testing.

Pelosi, like most politicians, has good interviews and bad interviews. This was an excellent interview, plain and simple. We never should have doubted her, in fact.

Today, she continued on her roll at her news conference, ripping into Trump's reported insistence that he won't be bailing out the U.S. Postal Service: "No money for the post office. Instead inject Lysol into your lungs as we shut down the states." She also had a few choice words for Mitch McConnell, who this week expressed his opinion that cities and whole states should just go through bankruptcy rather than get bailed out by federal money: "Speaking of Mitch, what's gotten into him? The president is asking people to inject Lysol into their lungs and Mitch is saying the states should go bankrupt."

All around, Pelosi had a great week. Plus, her scarf/facemask is the most stylish face covering we've seen on just about anybody to date. All of which is why she's our obvious choice for Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week this week.

[Congratulate Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi on her House contact page, to let her know you appreciate her efforts.]

 

Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week

While we are in the midst of a pandemic, we are also in the midst of a presidential race where the Democrats have settled on a nominee. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Barack Obama have all formally endorsed Biden. But there are two big names missing from the list of important and powerful Democrats who have offered a Biden endorsement: Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Where are they? What are they waiting for? Why has neither formally endorsed Joe Biden? It is downright inexplicable.

We have a living former Democratic president and the previous presidential nominee of the Democratic Party still sitting on the sidelines. The only possible reason they haven't endorsed Biden yet would be that Team Biden is somehow holding them back so they can use their endorsements to maximum value later on. But that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, when Sanders, Warren, and Obama all rolled out their endorsements within a single week.

Is there some sort of bad blood between the Clintons and Biden that we are unaware of? It's certainly possible, but one would think that this would have been public knowledge by now if there was such a rift. Biden got picked for Obama's veep while Hillary only got secretary of State, but she never showed any resentment directed specifically at Biden for this that we are aware of, at any rate.

So our apologies if this is some sort of grand strategy by the Biden campaign, but we have to say that the Clintons are becoming more conspicuous in their absence from the list of high-profile Democrats who have endorsed Joe Biden. Which we feel is enough to win them this week's Most Disappointing Democrats Of The Week award.

[Bill and Hillary Clinton are private citizens now, and it is our blanket policy not to provide contact information for such persons, so you'll have to seek their contact information out for yourselves if you'd like to urge them to endorse Joe Biden sooner rather than later.]

 

Friday Talking Points

Volume 571 (4/24/20)

For what we think is the first time ever -- in 571 iterations of this column -- we are not going to offer up some political talking points this week, but rather turn this section into a public service announcement. Because no matter who you are and no matter what politics you support, there's a very important message to get out to every single person right now, and we want to do everything we can to aid this effort. For the most part, we're going to keep them as short and to-the-point as possible, as well.

 

1
   It will kill you

In the immortal words of Joe Bob Briggs: "I'm surprised I have to explain this stuff." Sigh.

"Do NOT inject bleach into your body. It will kill you."

 

2
   It will kill you

Furthermore...

"Do NOT inject alcohol of any type into your body. It will kill you."

 

3
   It will kill you

And just if you got any other crazy ideas:

"Do NOT drink or ingest bleach or rubbing alcohol into your body. It will kill you, or -- at the best -- you will go blind."

 

4
   It will kill you

And then there's one more base to cover:

"Do NOT try to breathe in bleach or rubbing alcohol into your lungs. It will most likely kill you, or make you deathly ill."

 

5
   It is seriously dangerous

As for UV rays, let's nip the most common one in the bud before anyone gets any bright ideas:

"Do NOT lie on a tanning bed for hours on end, in an attempt to use ultraviolet light to kill the coronavirus. It will not work and you will get severely burned. Attempting to do so is highly dangerous, in fact."

 

6
   You will die

Back to that Joe Bob Briggs line, once again, we suppose.

"Do NOT cut yourself open and lie in the sun. Even attempting to do so will almost certainly kill you."

 

7
   The golden rule

Finally, the golden rule when it comes to which experts to consult.

"Do NOT take any medical advice at all from Donald Trump because he doesn't have the slightest clue what he is talking about. He's over seventy years old, and still doesn't realize that injecting bleach will kill you. He is a dangerous snake-oil salesman at best, and you should never follow any medical suggestion he ever makes, period."

-- Chris Weigant

 

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163 Comments on “Friday Talking Points -- Our President's Crazy, Did You Hear What He Said?”

  1. [1] 
    Kick wrote:

    CW: And how exactly is Trump going to get light "inside the body"?

    Oh, don't be ridiculous; that's rather easy. You simply flay someone open along the sagittal plane longitudinally and hit 'em with a klieg light. Duh. ;)

  2. [2] 
    Kick wrote:

    ^^^^ Disclaimer ^^^^

    DO NOT do these things. It will kill them.

  3. [3] 
    Kick wrote:

    CW: So our apologies if this is some sort of grand strategy by the Biden campaign, but we have to say that the Clintons are becoming more conspicuous in their absence from the list of high-profile Democrats who have endorsed Joe Biden. Which we feel is enough to win them this week's Most Disappointing Democrats Of The Week award.

    It's likely some strategy by the Biden campaign because Hillary has said she is endorsing no one during the primary season and also that she has been advising "most of them" for a year by being available to answer their questions. She "all but" endorses Biden on Jimmy Fallon, although not officially:

    https://youtu.be/bcLqm6-ear8

  4. [4] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Russ,

    I thought WHO got in trouble because even though they claimed that Chinese tests had failed to find human to human transmissions, those tests ignored reports from Taiwan that had found cases of human to human transmission. Taiwan is not technically recognized as a sovereign country by the WHO — it is still part of China. Maybe I have my facts mixed up, but I thought this was what the stink was all about.

    Yeah, that was part of the stink. But, only because most people don't understand the first thing about WHO and how it operates. And, you may be conflating two things - human to human transmission of the novel coronavirus, which WHO has never denied for obvious reasons and participation by Taiwan. Reports from Taiwan were not ignored. On the contrary.

    The WHO and Taiwan are cooperating in a number of ways on this pandemic and on other matters. As an arm of the United Nations, I guess WHO will recognize Taiwan in the same way that the UN body does, as directed by its member states, including the United States.

    The criticism against WHO is that it blocks Taiwan's participation. In reality, nothing could be further from the truth.

    Taiwan's participation is actually quite extensive, given the circumstances and the fact that the WHO has no authority over officially recognizing Taiwan. There are many ways in which Taiwan is contributing to and cooperating with WHO on the global response to COVID-19 and on other health issues.

    This was outlined in great detail at the WHO press briefing on April 15th. Here is the link and the Taiwan bit starts at about 18:04;

    https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/media-resources/press-briefings#

  5. [5] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    If Biden knows what is good for him, me and the US, he will have already told the Clinton's to go far away ... very, very far away. Never to be seen or heard from again.

  6. [6] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Good God. You don't suppose he'll pick her for his running mate. Naw. NO. Most definitely NOT! Please God.

  7. [7] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Handing out awards to the Clintons, good or bad, only serves to keep them conspicuous in their presence.

    And, that isn't a good thing for anybody.

    So, let's stop that practice and keep them as conspicuous as humanly possible - at least until AFTER the presidential election. At the very least.

  8. [8] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Chris,

    Handing out awards to the Clintons, good or bad, only serves to keep them conspicuous in their presence.

    And, that isn't a good thing for anybody.

    So, let's stop that practice and keep them as conspicuous in their absence as humanly possible - at least until AFTER the presidential election. At the very least.

  9. [9] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    "Do NOT inject alcohol of any type into your body. It will kill you."

    What about other routes?

    :-)

    Make mine a double.

  10. [10] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Best talking points ever!

  11. [11] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    He's crazy alright.

    But, if you want to know what's really crazy it's the multi-trillions of dollars that are being thrown at the impacts of this pandemic when it would have cost mere billions to prepare for it and not be in the mess we find ourselves now.

    Perhaps this will be one of many lessons learned about what investments need to be made for the future?

  12. [12] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Trillions to respond to the next one or billions to prevent it? Sounds like a no-brainer, eh?

  13. [13] 
    Kick wrote:

    Interesting chatter out of Hong Kong that Kim Jong-un is dead.

    If factual, I wouldn't rule out COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2. Seems plausible it could have weakened his pulmonary/circulatory system at the tender age of 36. Not enough sun and bleach; should have listened to The Donald. ;)

  14. [14] 
    Kick wrote:

    ^^^^ Too soon? ^^^^ ;)

  15. [15] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Kick-

    I was just reading comments on this story on reddit. One of them:

    Trump says he's probably OK, ...so
    Verified. Kim is fucked.

    Heh...

  16. [16] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Was that really necessary?

  17. [17] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, ya'all think it's crazy to think UV light inside the body would be beneficial???

    BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION
    1. Field of the Invention

    The present invention relates to ultraviolet (UV) light devices, more particularly to a UV light device that is used to treat body tissues, such as destroying pathogens within the body, eliminating atherosclerotic plaque tissue, treatment of teeth and gums, etc.
    https://patents.google.com/patent/US7201767

    Once again, yer hysterical Trump/America hatred blinds ya'all to facts and reality...

    As far as the bleach thing, as I have proven, President Trump didn't say any such thing..

    But we DO have the WHO saying that there is no evidence that covid19 has Human To Human transmission..

    Funny how ya'all ignore that, eh?? :eyeroll:

  18. [18] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Why doesn't president Trump follow the scientific and technical guidance provided by the WHO - since 10 January to present - instead of wasting so much of his time on the Twitter?

    Simple.. WHO is a political agency aligned against the US, aligned with China..

    Why should a US President align with such an agency??

    It's like asking Trudeau to align with NAZI Germany..

    Why is president Trump afraid of taking questions from the hapless WH reporters? Is it because he's afraid of being sarcastic?

    Because the moronic WH reporters have PROVEN beyond any doubt that they have more interest in bashing President Trump and NO interest in doing their jobs..

    I am surprised I have to explain this stuff..

    Now, let me ask you.. Why won't you comment on the sexual assault accusations against Biden??

    Remember, you are on record as agreeing with the Democrat mantra that ALL WOMEN ARE TO BE BELIEVED..

    There was not exception for the women who accuse Democrats....

  19. [19] 
    Michale wrote:

    Michale, can't deal with this because he deals primarily in disinformation.

    Apparently, it's ya'all who deal in disinformation.

    You can't dispute my FACTS, so you simply deflect and avoid the facts...

  20. [20] 
    Michale wrote:

    But hay... Let's give WHO a break and talk about the CDC.. The Center For Gun Control...

    Thousands of CDC created Covid-19 tests were sent out in Feb.. To communities all over the country...

    The tests ACTUALLY HAD COVID-19 in them..

    So, not only ALL the positive tests were FALSE positives, it's entirely likely that those in the CDC who became infected were infected by the test itself..

    THIS is the organization ya'all want us to follow???

    BBBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

    It's funny how ya'all slam President Trump for every little mistake, real, imagined or bullshitted..

    And yet, the people and the groups who push ya'all's agenda??? THEY get a pass.

    Why haven't we seen any commentaries about the CDC monumental screw-ups?? Why haven't we seen any commentaries about the sexual assault accusations against Biden?? Why haven't we seen any commentaries about the WHO's gross and pathetic siding with China??

    This is the REALITY of the here and now..

    We should be seeing that REALITY reflected here in Weigantia...

    But we're not...

    Which is why it's easy to dismiss everything here as nothing but hysterical Trump/America hate and bigotry..

    Ya'all have become a caricature of what ya'all CLAIM to hate and despise...

  21. [21] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Chris, sorry but, while the main body of your FTPs was spot-on, the list of talking points is one of the most disappointing ever.
    Why should any Democrat waste valuable media time drawing further attention to any of Trump's many stupid declarations?
    Instead, with Congress approving and Trump signing COVID-19 bill # 4, you could have proposed talking points about
    a) items that were EXCLUDED from this bill because of Republican obstruction, including food aid for the poor
    b) the absolute disaster that is the SBA loans (I think authorized in COVID-19 bill #3) that many corporations easily exploited - despite 'safeguards'
    c) Trump hotels requesting bailout funds - and reminding folks that Trump fudged when explicitly asked if his businesses should ask for help
    d) Several states are 'relaxing' their already pathetically-limited restrictions. At least two of these states, OK and GA, have never expanded Medicaid coverage to the working poor. So their Republican leaders already demonstrated how little they value 'life' when it comes to the working poor.
    e) proposals to be included in COVID-19 bill out #5, including banning evictions and turning off municipal water due to unpaid bills. I mean, how are these people supposed to 'wash your hands' if they lack WATER!?!?!

  22. [22] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Perhaps you've addressed it in a non-FTPs column you've written. But I think it's important for Democrats, now more than ever, to highlight that 'the market' is NOT the economy. For three weeks in a row, Americans filing for unemployment broke records. Meanwhile, in the past month, the DJ Industrial, Nasdaq, and S&P 500 have gone UP.
    Democrats MUST remind voters again and again that Republicans protected the big banks and corporations in 2008, but MUST NOT be able to get away with it this time.

  23. [23] 
    Michale wrote:

    Rusty,

    Why should any Democrat waste valuable media time drawing further attention to any of Trump's many stupid declarations?

    Where have YOU been since Jun of 2015??

    That is ALL Dumbocrats ever do...

    "Frak the American people!!! Frak doing our jobs!!! Let's just bash President Trump incessantly!!!"
    -Dumbocrats

    items that were EXCLUDED from this bill because of Republican obstruction, including food aid for the poor

    Facts to support?? None?? Figures..

    the absolute disaster that is the SBA loans (I think authorized in COVID-19 bill #3) that many corporations easily exploited - despite 'safeguards'

    Any facts at all to support?? No?? Yer on a roll..

    Trump hotels requesting bailout funds - and reminding folks that Trump fudged when explicitly asked if his businesses should ask for help

    Even if factually accurate, so?? You don't think the employees of Trump hotels deserve help?? What kind of monster are you!?? Oh that's right.. Yer a Democrat... :eyeroll:

    Several states are 'relaxing' their already pathetically-limited restrictions. At least two of these states, OK and GA, have never expanded Medicaid coverage to the working poor. So their Republican leaders already demonstrated how little they value 'life' when it comes to the working poor.

    Nothing but bullshit and spin.. Bigotry much???

    proposals to be included in COVID-19 bill out #5, including banning evictions and turning off municipal water due to unpaid bills. I mean, how are these people supposed to 'wash your hands' if they lack WATER!?!?!

    Do you have *ANY* facts to support your claims?? ANY facts at all??

    Of course you don't..

    Democrats MUST remind voters again and again that Republicans protected the big banks and corporations in 2008, but MUST NOT be able to get away with it this time.

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    You *DO* realize that it's been DEMOCRATS who have protected big banks, right??

    Dodd-Frank ring a bell??? Maybe the repeal of Glass-Steagull???

    All you have is hysterical bigotry and bullshit...

  24. [24] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    It will kill you.

    Do not vote for big money candidates from any party- it will kill you.

  25. [25] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Not endorsing Biden may be the most impressive thing the Clintons have ever done. :D

  26. [26] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Sunshine can be a great disinfectant.

    So let's bring into the sunlight the reason we are where we are now- both parties are corrupted by big money.

    And let's bring into the sunlight of the public discourse possible solutions- let's demand that Pelosi immediately pass Emergency Political Contribution Vouchers to begin to solve the problem.

    Let's stop pretending that anything short of that is in any way impressive.

    Let's not forget how the Dems and Republicans have been working together for the big money interests for decades and are BOTH responsible for our current situation.

    Let's not let the big money Dems and Republicans get away with this again in 2020.

    Wake up . wise up. Rise up.
    Get Real.

  27. [27] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Chris it was nice of you to devote an entire column to keeping Michale from drinking bleach like a good Trumpanzee.

  28. [28] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Now if CW would only devote columns to keeping citizens from drinking the big money Dems Koolaid. :D

  29. [29] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    I wouldn't pretend to know about "crazy", but I recognized the guy was massively ignorant (stupid?) when he claimed that Chinese money was "pouring into the U.S. Treasury" in the form of tariff tax revenues China was paying on our Chinese imports.

    Anybody claiming at this late date, three-plus yrs later, to be just now recognizing the reality of his ignorance/stupidity is declaring himself to be woefully imperceptive.

  30. [30] 
    Kick wrote:

    Give Me a Damn Break

    And now it's time for "Give Me a Damn Break," where we take asinine concepts and show why they're laughable on their face. Today on "Give Me a Damn Break," we explain the ignorance of this patently ridiculous drivel:

    So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous -- whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light -- and I think you said that that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that too. It sounds interesting.

    ~ Donald "I'm Not a Doctor" Trump

    Why is this asinine, ridiculous, and laughable on its very face? Well, let's break it down.

    Hint: Keep your eye on the term "DNA" (deoxyribonucleic acid).

    Let's go.

    Ultraviolet light breaks down DNA and RNA so they can no longer replicate. DNA contains the instructions needed for an organism to develop, survive and reproduce.

    Viruses are intracellular parasites that invade the trillions of cells in the human body and take control of cells' genetic reproduction tools -- Hint: DNA -- and replicate themselves.

    So the basics of the asinine Trump theory seem to be that "ultraviolet light or just very powerful light" that kills the virus (on surfaces) could be used within the living human body... to presumably interfere with replication of SARS-CoV-2, a positive-sense single-stranded RNA virus.

    Research (to date) shows SARS-CoV-2 latches onto ACE2 receptors located in trillions of cells all throughout the human body: Cells on the tongue, cells all along the esophagus, cells in the kidneys, cells in the heart, cells at end of the gastrointestinal tract, and -- drumroll -- located in the very delicate cells of the alveoli in the lungs.

    In conclusion/so to recap: Ultraviolet light breaks down DNA and RNA so they can no longer replicate. Even if you could successfully bring enough UV light into the living organism of the human body and manage to hit every cell out of the trillions of cells therein with enough UV to kill the invading SARS-CoV-2 virus invading the ACE2 cells throughout, you'd simultaneously be breaking down the DNA in your trillions of human cells... the infected cells as well as the uninfected cells. Duh.

    It's as patently ridiculous as the "injection" of "disinfectant."

    It is, however, infinitely entertaining to watch the useful idiots flailing in their defense of Donald Trump and explaining how he didn't mean "disinfectant." The day after the ridiculous drivel was spewed, the president explained that disinfectant has been unbelievable when applied to surfaces and it made him think:

    How do we do it inside the body or even outside the body with the hands? And disinfectant, I think would work....

    I was asking a very sarcastic question to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside. But it does kill it and it would kill it on the hands and that would make things much better. That was done in the form of a sarcastic question to the reporters. Okay?

    ~ Donald "I Insist Disinfectant Would Work" Trump

    So, yes, even Trump admits he meant "disinfectant" as he threw the useful idiots straight under the bus, but the Trump chumps simply cannot allow themselves to stop with all the ridiculous Trumpsplaining... because what Trump said was absolutely and unequivocally that dumb: Give Me a Damn Break! *laughs*

  31. [31] 
    Kick wrote:

    C. R. Stucki
    29

    I wouldn't pretend to know about "crazy", but I recognized the guy was massively ignorant (stupid?) when he claimed that Chinese money was "pouring into the U.S. Treasury" in the form of tariff tax revenues China was paying on our Chinese imports.

    Stucki, you are absolutely and unequivocally correct about this. Better check my temperature.

    Anybody claiming at this late date, three-plus yrs later, to be just now recognizing the reality of his ignorance/stupidity is declaring himself to be woefully imperceptive.

    Okay, then... I'll check my temperature twice! Correct, sir!

    Stucki, I hope you've been taking care of yourself.
    Meaning: Take a staycation at the Stay Home Resort!

  32. [32] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    So... Ducking the wager, eh? :D

    I accept your concession... :D

  33. [33] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    This one's for you..

    http://sjfm.us/videos/Pie.mp4

    :D

    In gratitude for that awesome post you made a week or so ago.. :D

  34. [34] 
    Kick wrote:

    Give Me a Damn Break

    Another quick round of "Give Me a Damn Break" coming right up. Cut to the chase:

    Thousands of CDC created Covid-19 tests were sent out in Feb.. To communities all over the country...

    The tests ACTUALLY HAD COVID-19 in them..

    ~ Michale of the Right-Wing Lunatic Fringe

    COVID-19 is the disease caused by the virus SARS-CoV-2. So I take it from this bullshit of yours quoted above that the right-wing lunatic fringe is absolving Your Worship Trump by blaming the CDC for contaminating the test for the disease COVID-19 with the SARS-CoV-2 virus... and problem solved, am I right?

    So, not only ALL the positive tests were FALSE positives, it's entirely likely that those in the CDC who became infected were infected by the test itself..

    ~ Michale "I Didn't Think That One Through"

    THIS is the organization ya'all want us to follow???

    Even were we all to assume your obvious bullspew is factual, this is indeed the organization that Donald Trump is relying on. So it's ludicrous on it's face to blame anyone here in Weigantia for the ineptitude of the decisions by Donald Trump and the Trump administration... Give Me a Damn Break! *laughs*

  35. [35] 
    John M wrote:

    [6] Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    "Good God. You don't suppose he'll pick her for his running mate. Naw. NO. Most definitely NOT! Please God."

    NO. Biden has ACTUALLY said that he would prefer to pick Michelle Obama as his running mate. But she is not interested.

    Have you also seen the new study out that says that Elizabeth Warren would actually bring the most Bernie Sanders supporters over to vote for Biden in a Biden/Warren ticket? Kamala Harris was a distant second in accomplishing bringing both wings of the Democratic party together.

    Stacey Abrams actually did very well too, once exactly who she is was explained to people. Apparently not enough people really know about her yet.

  36. [36] 
    John M wrote:

    [13] Kick wrote:

    "Interesting chatter out of Hong Kong that Kim Jong-un is dead.

    If factual, I wouldn't rule out COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2. Seems plausible it could have weakened his pulmonary/circulatory system at the tender age of 36. Not enough sun and bleach; should have listened to The Donald."

    Also don't forget, Kim Jong Un has already had heart surgery once, is very obese, he is only 5'7" tall and weighs 300 pounds, and is also a heavy smoker.

  37. [37] 
    Kick wrote:

    Guess WHO had an accurate test in wide use all over the world while the Trump administration dithered and Trump and the usual useful idiots downplayed the severity of the SARS-CoV-2 virus?

  38. [38] 
    Michale wrote:

    NO. Biden has ACTUALLY said that he would prefer to pick Michelle Obama as his running mate. But she is not interested.

    Joe Biden picking a female for his running mate is exactly like Bill Clinton picking a female for his running mate..

    You KNOW he only wants a female for one thing and one thing only..

    Since ALL WOMEN ARE TO BE BELIEVED, it's amazing that no one wants to discuss Biden's elephant in the room..

    Considering ya'all's Trump/America hate???

    No, I guess it's not all that surprising..

  39. [39] 
    Michale wrote:

    NO. Biden has ACTUALLY said that he would prefer to pick Michelle Obama as his running mate. But she is not interested.

    Joe Biden picking a female for his running mate is exactly like Bill Clinton picking a female for his running mate..

    You KNOW he only wants a female for one thing and one thing only..

    Since ALL WOMEN ARE TO BE BELIEVED, it's amazing that no one wants to discuss Biden's elephant in the room..

    Considering ya'all's Trump/America hate???

    No, I guess it's not all that surprising..

  40. [40] 
    Kick wrote:

    John M
    36

    Also don't forget, Kim Jong Un has already had heart surgery once, is very obese, he is only 5'7" tall and weighs 300 pounds, and is also a heavy smoker.

    short, fat, heavy eater, heavy drinker -- Louis Roederer Cristal, Russian vodka, Hennessy French cognac -- caviar and cigarettes... and with a known family history of heart disease and had heart surgery around April 12, 2020... yep, that's the guy.

  41. [41] 
    Michale wrote:

    Guess WHO had an accurate test in wide use all over the world while the Trump administration dithered

    Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China????????.
    -WHO

    WHO was touting the China company line....

    SURE they had a legitimate test... :eyeroll:

    As usual, you have no facts to support your bullshit claims..

  42. [42] 
    Michale wrote:

    caviar and cigarettes...

    Caviar and cigarettes
    Well versed in etiquette
    Extraordinarily nice

    -Queen, KILLER QUEEN

    :D

  43. [43] 
    Michale wrote:

    By the bi..

    How did those after-faux impeachment coup investigations work out??? :D

  44. [44] 
    Michale wrote:

    Bernie aides erupt over development in Biden sexual assault claim as DNC stays mum

    Aides to former 2020 hopeful Sen. Bernie Sanders are expressing their anger about the latest development in a sexual assault accusation against presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden -- after video emerged from 1993 in which the accuser's mother appears to allude to her accusation.

    "The video of Tara Reade's late mother calling into Larry King to blow the whistle about about [sic] Tara's sexual assault is being met with relative silence from a cadre of progressives right now and I want you all to know that I see you," former Sanders senior adviser Winnie Wong tweeted. "We all do."
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-aides-dnc-development-biden-sexual-assault-allegation

    Discuss amongst yerselves..

    HA!! Who am I kidding??

    Ya'all plant yer heads in the sand...

    Not a SINGLE COMMENT from anyone here.. Especially with MC... A dyed in the wool Bernie Bro...

    But I guess the Trump hate is bigger than the Bernie support...

    ALL WOMEN ARE TO BE BELIEVED....

    Apparently, ONLY if it doesn't conflict with the TAKE DOWN PRESIDENT TRUMP agenda..

    Nice principles ya'all got there... :eyeroll:

  45. [45] 
    Michale wrote:

    “His hands were on me and underneath my clothes, and he went down my skirt and then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers and he was kissing me at the same time and he was saying some things to me.

    He asked me to go somewhere else.

    I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing. He said, ‘Come on, man. I heard you liked me.’....”
    -Tara Reade, RE Biden's sexual assault...

    ALL WOMEN ARE TO BE BELIEVED

    Apparently, not so much... :eyeroll:

  46. [46] 
    Michale wrote:

    Reade has come forward before: Last year, when multiple women emerged claiming inappropriate touching by Biden.

    Reade, at the time, claimed Biden put his hands on her shoulders and rubbed his fingers up and down her neck, but was unable to gain traction on her story aside from an article in a local newspaper.

    But in recent weeks, Reade told a far more graphic account, with different and more serious details, raising the allegation to the level of sexual assault.

    “Now we’ll see if a different set of rules still applies to Joe Biden,” Erin Perrine, the principal deputy communications for President Trump's re-election campaign, said in a statement to Fox News. “Maybe now at least one reporter will ask him about it.”

    Of course, a different set of rules apply to Biden.. :^/

    Just like a different set of rules apply to Bill Clinton...

    We're talking Democrats here, eh?? :^/

  47. [47] 
    Michale wrote:

    Whether ya'all want to concede it or not, this *IS* going to be a campaign issue.. President Trump's campaign is going to go far and wide with this..

    Isn't it better to face it now rather than hide ya'all's heads in the sand and deal with it in July or August??

    Don't say ya'all weren't warned....

  48. [48] 
    Michale wrote:

    Compare and contrast how ya'all viewed Kavanaugh accusations with how ya'all view Biden's accusations....

    How do ya'all sleep at night??? :D

  49. [49] 
    Michale wrote:

    Especially when you consider how utterly outlandish and bullshit the Kavanaugh accusations were...

  50. [50] 
    Michale wrote:

    CNN waited 24 days to cover the Tara Reade accusations against Joe Biden..

    Compare and contrast that to the over SEVEN HUNDRED articles that CNN posted in the first 19 days of the Kavanaugh accusations...

    And yet, there are some people here who STILL deny that there is a Left Wing bias in the media... :eyeroll:

  51. [51] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale, here's a project for you … go and figure out what the WHO is made up of. Hehehehehehehehehehe.

  52. [52] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Oh, forget it Michale …

    Why should a US President align with such an agency??

    HA!

    Don't you know, Michale!? The US of A is the biggest damn part of that … ahem … agency.

    HA!HA!

  53. [53] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Oh, God … this is too easy. And, I'm bored.

  54. [54] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    italyrusty,

    But I think it's important for Democrats, now more than ever, to highlight that 'the market' is NOT the economy. For three weeks in a row, Americans filing for unemployment broke records. Meanwhile, in the past month, the DJ Industrial, Nasdaq, and S&P 500 have gone UP.

    Well, first off, the fact that Americans filing for unemployment has broken records during an unprecedented health crisis has little to do with the economy, market or otherwise. We are experiencing a health crisis, NOT an economic downturn.

    And, as for the markets being up - tell that to an oil producer! HA! Not that I have any empathy for oil producers, you understand. But, for a while there, they were (are?) in a position to pay somebody to take the oil off their hands!!! HA!

    As for the rest of us in the market, particularly those of us who are heavily invested with regard to their retirement savings plans. I'm pretty happy that the markets aren't falling off the proverbial cliff, if you take my meaning.

  55. [55] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Don,

    So let's bring into the sunlight the reason we are where we are now- both parties are corrupted by big money.

    The reason we are where we are now, has everything to do with a novel coronavi … well, actually, you may be right about that.

    I just disagree with you over how that problem can be fixed. :)

  56. [56] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Don't you know, Michale!? The US of A is the biggest damn part of that … ahem … agency.

    Not anymore.. :D

    Well, first off, the fact that Americans filing for unemployment has broken records during an unprecedented health crisis has little to do with the economy, market or otherwise.

    AND little to do with President Trump.

  57. [57] 
    Kick wrote:

    Anybody need a laugh? Then I give you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPDPzbLFeP4

    A SPOONFUL OF CLOROX - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody

    DISCLAIMER: This one is too funny... so be careful if you're drinking something while watching; I wouldn't want anyone to spew or choke. :)

  58. [58] 
    Michale wrote:

    Glenn Greenwald: Biden sexual assault accuser Tara Reade ‘isn’t going away’

    Tara Reade's sexual assault allegation against presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden "isn’t going away" now that a video has emerged that appears to show Reade’s mother referring to the alleged attack in 1993, Intercept journalist Glenn Greenwalk said Saturday.

    “Tara Reade isn’t going away no matter how many times partisan opportunistic hacks ... are sent out to try to smear, demean & discredit her,” he tweeted.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/glenn-greenwald-biden-sexual-assault-accuser-tara-reade

    Biden.... and ya'all... are going to have to deal with this...

    This is fact...

    Ignoring the issue is only going to make it worse...

    Ya'll just *HAVE* to know this..

  59. [59] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    Every time you tap out that tweet by the WHO about preliminary investigations by Chinese authorities having found no clear evidence of human to human transmission, you do the organization a favour in these comments sections, on the account that you have no credibility here on the topic of anything.

    You know, WHO will have to explain all about that tweet when they do their after action report. And I hope you will read it and learn something.

  60. [60] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    It's you against the world, Michale. :)

  61. [61] 
    Kick wrote:

    EM

    It's you against the world, Michale. :)

    Mike is just here to troll others, EM.

    Noun, verb "ya'all."
    Noun, verb "hysterical."
    Noun, verb "hate and bigotry."

    Boring, repetitive dearth of ideas and knee-jerk constant trolling with little of anything not cut and paste or lather, rinse, repeat.

  62. [62] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    The little reprieve we were blessed with really makes how desperate Michale is to shift the focus off of the actual news topics being discussed and onto him attacking our responses so obvious!

    “Please take the bait! PLEASE! I cannot defend Trump’s stupidity, so shifting focus is the only alternative I am left with!”

    I mean, Kavanaugh? Why not the accusations against Trump?

    And just for a little fun....

    Michale, do not think about sneezing! Don’t think about how it starts with a tickle in your nose when you inhale! Stop it! You are not going to sneeze...no matter how badly you might need to! Do NOT think of sneezing!

    Feel free to curse my name the next time you do sneeze... it’s worth it!

  63. [63] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Mike is just here to troll others, EM.

    And, what are you here for, Kick?

  64. [64] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ

    Heh! :)

  65. [65] 
    Kick wrote:

    EM
    63

    And, what are you here for, Kick?

    Me?

    I'm just here to laugh at the foreigners explaining my country to me. Hysterical. :)

  66. [66] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Kick [57]

    A SPOONFUL OF CLOROX - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody

    You beat me to it! Was just about to post a link when I saw that you had it covered. So wonderful how great minds think alike! Randy Rainbow is my daily fix to detoxify after a day in Trump’s America.

    Hope you are well!

    R

  67. [67] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ
    66

    *musical notes*

    There's no (there's no)
    Vaccine (vaccine)
    So try some Mr. Clean.

    So wonderful how great minds think alike!

    You know it.

    You take care of yourself, you hear me!? XOXOXO

  68. [68] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Every time you tap out that tweet by the WHO about preliminary investigations by Chinese authorities having found no clear evidence of human to human transmission, you do the organization a favour in these comments sections, on the account that you have no credibility here on the topic of anything.

    Yep, that's the claim from the Weigantian Peanut Gallery..

    And YET...

    Who has been WRONG about everything President Trump to date???

    And WHO has been factually accurate about everything President Trump to date??

    I mean, WHO predicted Trump would lose and WHO assured everyone Trump would become President???

    WHO factually predicted the EXACT Electoral College count????

    Seems to me, the FACTS prove beyond any doubt that it's ya'all who have ZERO credibility.. :D

    Facts don't lie, Liz...

    But, apparently, you do.. :^(

    Oh how the mighty have fallen..

    So, do you want to talk about the sexual assaults committed by Biden??

    Or just stick your head in the sand some more about it??

    It's you against the world, Michale. :)

    Nope.. Just me against Trump/America hating liars and morons..

    I wouldn't have it ANY other way.. :D

  69. [69] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    You give WHO too much credit, Michale. :)

  70. [70] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    They have nothing to do with the electoral college.

    But, if they did, the US wouldn't have had to suffer under two presidents in the last twenty years who didn't win the popular vote. That I can assure you.

  71. [71] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @m,
    I know you're just pushing liz's buttons, but really, again with the tara reade story? We will see what comes of it, but there's nobody else leveling that kind of accusation against biden, and while most sexual assault allegations are true, there are a number of red flags to suggest this one might not be.

  72. [72] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    TRYING to push Liz's buttons, you mean. :)

  73. [73] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    I’m afraid that COVID-19 is looking to be the ying to Ebola’s yang! The biggest, and most disturbing, finding to date is that it causes massive blood clots throughout the infected person’s body and is not necessarily a respiratory illness. Where Ebola causes bleeding, the coronavirus causes clotting that blood thinners have been ineffective against.

    Autopsies have revealed that people weren’t dying from pneumonia as originally believed; they died from pulmonary embolisms. These blood clots have caused 30 something year olds that had shown no symptoms of the virus to suddenly suffer strokes. It was only after being hospitalized for the strokes that they learned that they tested positive for the coronavirus.

    My aunt in a Georgia nursing home has tested positive for the virus. My father just told me last night that she found out two weeks ago...after six residents that tested positive in her nursing home died. The entire facility is under quarantine now, thankfully.

    The Soldier’s Home in our community just reported their first positive case of the virus...which means that it is likely that everyone there has it.

    Michale, did you ever test positive for COVID-19? Chris mentioned that you had the symptoms, but that you had tested negative. Did they do a blood test to see if you had the antibodies in your blood even though you were testing negative for the virus? I believe that our tests might require too high of a viral load in order to count as positive...and people are infected with it even though the virus is undetectable when they are tested.

    This virus is proving to be a nasty one — that is for sure!

  74. [74] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Russ,

    There are many long term care facilities (and retirement homes) in my city where the virus is spreading and many have died.

    There needs to be something done about the preparedness of these places to deal with health crises.

    About that blood clotting … do you have a link?

  75. [75] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Hopefully, we'll learn more about this at the next WHO press briefing on Monday.

    I'd like to know if any studies are going to be conducted on this.

  76. [76] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    They have nothing to do with the electoral college

    You claimed I have no credibility.. I proved you wrong with the FACTS..

    Hopefully, we'll learn more about this at the next WHO press briefing on Monday.

    Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China????????.
    -WHO

    The *ONLY* reason you are on the WHO's side is because President Trump is against the WHO...

  77. [77] 
    Michale wrote:

    I know you're just pushing liz's buttons, but really, again with the tara reade story?

    It's not about pushing ANYONE's buttons..

    It's about the facts...

    Compare ya'all's reactions to the Kavanaugh accusations vs ya'all's totally ignoring the Biden accusations.

    Can you explain that??

    We will see what comes of it, but there's nobody else leveling that kind of accusation against biden,

    Actually there are a few similar accusations.

    But even if there was just one..

    For a while Ford's accusations against Kavanaugh stood alone... That didn't stop ya'all from talking about the SOLE accusation incessantly..

    and while most sexual assault allegations are true, there are a number of red flags to suggest this one might not be.

    WHAT!!!!????? You mean!!!????

    ALL WOMEN ARE ***NOT*** TO BE BELIEVED!!!

    Well, this is the first I am hearing from this from ya'all!!!

    But... Since you bring it up.. Can you give me an example of any FACTS that indicate Reade's story is false?????

    I have seen nothing factual to suggest what you claim..

    Yunno, if Biden is forced from the race over this, yer gonna have to vote President Trump, eh? :D

  78. [78] 
    Michale wrote:

    And so it begins...

    Former Clinton adviser calls on Biden to withdraw over assault allegations

    DIFFICULT THREAD -- #BIDEN SHOULD WITHDRAW

    1. I respect the will of the voters.

    2. But new information has emerged supporting #TaraReade's account of being sexually assaulted by #JoeBiden.

    3. Credible rape accusations are disqualifying or we have NO moral standards.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clinton-adviser-biden-withdraw-assault-allegations

    My bet is President Trump has WAY MORE damaging stuff on Biden...

    He's just waiting for Democrats to lock Biden in as the nominee... :D

    Which make for an interesting quandary..

    If Joe Biden is the chosen nominee, but is forced from race immediately after being nominated, I can't vote for him in the General...

    And since Biden will no longer be the nominee, does that mean JL will have to vote for President Trump?? :D

    Thangs that make ya go....hmmmmmmmmm :D

  79. [79] 
    Michale wrote:

    I know you're just pushing liz's buttons, but really, again with the tara reade story?

    I think we're going to see a LOT of the Tara Reade story in the coming months..

    Plus many many more...

    As ya'all pointed out in the immediate after math of Ford's bullshit accusation against Kavanaugh.....

    "There are ALWAYS more women out there ready to accuse.."
    -Weigantian Peanut Gallery

    I find it deliciously ironic that the glove is on the other foot now.. :D

  80. [80] 
    Michale wrote:

    NEW EVIDENCE SUPPORTING CREDIBILITY OF TARA READE’S ALLEGATION AGAINST JOE BIDEN EMERGES

    A NEW PIECE of evidence has emerged buttressing the credibility of Tara Reade’s claim that she told her mother about allegations of sexual harassment and assault related to her former boss, then-Sen. Joe Biden. Biden, through a spokesperson, has denied the allegations. Reade has claimed to various media outlets, including The Intercept, that she told her mother, a close friend, and her brother about both the harassment and, to varying degrees of detail, the assault at the time. Her brother, Collin Moulton, and her friend, who has asked to remain anonymous, both confirmed that they heard about the allegations from Reade at the time. Reade’s mother died in 2016, but both her brother and friend also confirmed Reade had told her mother, and that her mother, a longtime feminist and activist, urged her to go to the police.
    https://theintercept.com/2020/04/24/new-evidence-tara-reade-joe-biden/

    Compare and contrast this current BIDEN accusation with Christine Ford's bullshit accusation..

    Tara Reade confided in family and friends and THEY back up Reade's account to the hilt..

    Ford mentioned a couple friends to corroborate part of her claims and **EVERY ONE*** of them said that she was whacked in the head.. The town drunk and the town slut...

    So, again, this begs the question..

    Why did ya'all fall all over yourselves to believe Christine Ford's accusations, but ya'all are doing everything possible to make Tara Reade go away???

    There is only **ONE** possible explanation for ya'all's actions..

    Your basis for believing a woman's sexual assault claim is *SOLELY* based on whether the accused is a Democrat or a Republican...

    No other possibility fits the facts...

  81. [81] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, let's fact the FACTS here, JL....

    Lucy Flores isn’t alone. Joe Biden has a long history of touching women inappropriately.

    The media gave Biden a pass for years. It won’t in 2020.
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/29/18241598/joe-biden-lucy-flores-touching-women-media-history-explained

    Joe Biden has a long creepy history with touching women who do not want to be touched by him...

    Ya'all are on the losing side of this issue.. AGAIN.. :D

    The only question will be how far Biden will fall..

  82. [82] 
    Michale wrote:

    Multiple women have said Biden touched them in ways that made them uncomfortable
    Reports of “creepy” behavior by Biden, like standing too close to women for photo opportunities, have circulated for years, treated by some as little more than a joke. But those reports received more serious attention after Lucy Flores, a former candidate for lieutenant governor of Nevada, wrote in a March 2019 essay at The Cut that Biden had kissed her on the back of the head at a campaign event in 2014.

    “I couldn’t move and I couldn’t say anything,” Flores wrote. “I wanted nothing more than to get Biden away from me.”

    After that, other women spoke out to report similar experiences. Amy Lappos, for example, said that at a 2009 fundraiser, Biden touched her face and rubbed noses with her. And in April, Reade told the Union, a California newspaper, that Biden touched her several times in ways that made her feel uncomfortable, and that her duties in his Senate office were reduced after she refused to serve drinks at an event. She said he wanted her there because he liked her legs.

    Is it THAT far of a step from that ^^^^^ to Tara Reade...???

    Nope.. It's a logical and rational progression...

  83. [83] 
    Michale wrote:

    JOE BIDEN SEXUAL ASSAULT ACCUSER TARA READE FILES CRIMINAL COMPLAINT

    A
    woman has filed a police report claiming that presidential candidate Joe Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993, according to reports.

    Tara Reade filed a criminal complaint with the Washington Metropolitan Police Department of accusing the 2020 Democratic nomination of pushing her against the wall in a Senate corridor and penetrating her with his fingers, according to Business Insider.
    https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-sexual-assault-police-tara-reade-1497391

    SO.... Joe Biden has a criminal complaint filed against him for sexual assault..

    Funny how that doesn't bother ANY of ya'all... :^/

    Hell, President Trump *TALKED* about sexual assault and ya'all went apeshit hysterical crazy..

    Joe Biden COMMITTED sexual assault and ya'all are silent..

    Yea... NO agenda there, eh?? :eyeroll:

  84. [84] 
    Michale wrote:

    Joe Biden Said He Believes All Women. Does He Believe Tara Reade?

    A former staffer says he sexually assaulted her in 1993.

    When it comes to #MeToo sexual misconduct issues, former Vice President Joe Biden, the Democratic Party's presumptive 2020 presidential nominee, has made it no secret where he stands: automatically believe women.

    "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real," said Biden during the confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, who faced accusations that as a teenager he had assaulted a woman at a party.
    https://reason.com/2020/03/26/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-me-too-believe-women/

    Interesting the two positions from Biden...

    One from Christine Ford's PROVEN bullshit accusation

    And a diametrically opposed position from Tara Reade's substantiated accusation...

    VERY interesting.. As Arte Johnson would say...

  85. [85] 
    Michale wrote:

    Sanders supporters, of course, have every incentive to weaponize this last-minute accusation against Biden in an attempt to deny him the nomination. And Biden fans have every reason to roll their eyes at these attempts; they can write off Reade as someone who, at the very least, waited too long to tell her story, and was a supporter of rival campaigns.

    Both sides have a point. Barring the emergence of some really credible documentation, it's going to be nearly impossible to informally adjudicate—formal adjudication being absolutely impossible—the accusation. Too much time has passed.

    On the other hand, the very recent precedent set by the mainstream media and mainstream liberals during the Kavanaugh episode is that all accusations should be revisited, no matter how old. Indeed, one could make a better argument for considering Reade's accusation than Blasey Ford's: the latter concerns behavior that occurred during the accused person's teenage years in the early 1980s, whereas Biden allegedly committed his transgression while a sitting U.S. senator. And again, Biden himself has taken the position that we should believe women even if it takes them a very, very long time to come forward.

    Again, the contrast between Democrats reactions in the Kavanaugh instance and the reactions with the Biden sexual assault is a fascinating study in hypocrisy...

    Pure, blatant, undeniable hypocrisy...

    For those who claim nothing is about the D vs R (Yes, Liz, I am looking at you) this proves beyond ANY doubt that it's *ALL* about the D vs R...

  86. [86] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Media Had a Formula for Reporting Sexual Misconduct. Then Joe Biden Was Accused.

    For nearly three weeks after it surfaced, Tara Reade’s sexual assault allegation against Joe Biden was ignored or downplayed in the media. A Jacobin analysis shows that she’s been covered unlike any other accuser in the post–Me Too era.

    Nearly a year ago, journalist E. Jean Carroll wrote an essay in which she publicly accused the president of the United States of sexually assaulting her in a dressing room more than two decades ago. The accused, or rather, his press team, called it “false.” There was no evidence Carroll could point to — how could there be? — except for two people she had told at the time, who confirmed the memory to New York magazine.

    The story was left off the front pages of the nation’s top newspapers, including the New York Times, which banished it to its book section, and was nowhere to be found among the 164 stories on the paper’s homepage (executive editor Dean Baquet later admitted the Times had been “overly cautious” and had underplayed the story). On TV, the Sunday shows largely gave it a pass. The most powerful man in the world had been credibly accused of sexual assault, and no one seemed to care.

    Fast-forward nine months later. A woman has come forward to publicly accuse the frontrunner to become the next president of the United States of sexually assaulting her in a Senate office more than two decades ago. The accused’s team has called the story “false.” There is no evidence, except the two people still living whom the accuser confided in at the time, who confirmed to the Intercept their memory of being told the story.

    The result has again been media silence, only this time with a twist. Because not only has Tara Reade and her allegation against Democratic frontrunner and now presumptive nominee Joe Biden inexplicably received perhaps the least mainstream media attention of any high-profile sexual assault allegation of the past three years, but it is some of the news outlets most critical of the media’s treatment of Carroll and other survivors who are choosing to ignore the story — or, in some cases, undermining their gravity.
    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/04/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-allegation-media

    The facts are conclusive..

    One set of standards for Republicans...

    Another set of standards for high-profile Democrats..

    NO OTHER possibility fits the facts..

    One only has to look here in Weigantia to see that.. Not a SINGLE Tara Reade comment until I brought the facts to Weigantia...

  87. [87] 
    Michale wrote:

    It’s fair to say that Tara Reade has been treated unlike any high-profile accuser of the past three years.

    While previous accusers of powerful men were widely covered in mainstream print, digital, and TV media, only a handful of outlets trickled out stories on Reade’s allegation. While widespread coverage greeted past accusers almost instantly, it has taken nearly three weeks for Reade’s mere existence to be acknowledged by a single major newspaper. And while there was no shortage of articles fiercely criticizing the media’s underplaying of another survivor’s story, those same critics have now taken to justifying the even more egregious media silence over Reade’s.

    Defenders of this particular media silence are right to insist on vetting accusers’ claims, no matter how long it takes. Yet Reade’s story started out with as much corroboration as previous claims that saw no similar delay in reporting — in fact, it had more than several key cases.

    “The model going forward will likely involve Republican media covering Democratic corruption and Democratic media covering Republican corruption,” Matt Taibbi lamented in August 2016.

    With Reade’s case, we appear to be seeing that playing out in real time. And that approach will fail not only political discourse, but future accusers of sufficiently powerful men or women.

    Even if ya'all ignore the sexual assault (which ya'all seem to have NO PROBLEM doing when it's a prominent Democrat) the blatant hypocrisy and double-standards should, at the VERY least, give ya'all pause...

    But ya'all have never had a problem ignoring the FACTS when they are inconvenient to ya'all's agenda.. :D

    And I say that with the utmost affection.. :D

    Without ya'all's incessant Party based denial and bigotry and hate, there would be no Weigantian Michale to counter ya'all's hysterical HHPTDS with facts, logic and reason... :D

  88. [88] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Michale-
    Biden is not being condemned/questioned because he is a big money Dem.

    When it's someone not towing the big money Dem party line they are crucified. (see John Edwards or even Al Franken)

    It's amazing how inappropriate sexual allegations about one or a dozen people are often more important than screwing millions of people by selling out to the big money interests.

  89. [89] 
    Michale wrote:

    Biden is not being condemned/questioned because he is a big money Dem.

    Not factually accurate..

    Big money DEFINES Democrats... THAT is nothing new..

    This rape act is new..

    It's amazing how inappropriate sexual allegations about one or a dozen people are often more important than screwing millions of people by selling out to the big money interests.

    Because THAT is the way the game is played..

    RAPE is not the way the game is played..

  90. [90] 
    Michale wrote:

    Actually I have been wrong all this time..

    Even if ya'all ignore the sexual assault (which ya'all seem to have NO PROBLEM doing when it's a prominent Democrat) the blatant hypocrisy and double-standards should, at the VERY least, give ya'all pause...

    We're not talking "sexual assault" here..

    We're talking rape...

    A RAPE criminal complaint has been filed against Joe Biden...

    Funny how ya'all went hysterical when you claimed that President Trump committed the same act..

    And now... {{{{YYYYAAWWWWNNNNNN}}}} nothing to see here.. Move along...

    Proof positive that it's ALL about the D vs R....

  91. [91] 
    Michale wrote:

    Examining Tara Reade’s 1993 sexual assault allegation against Joe Biden

    A former Senate aide who last year accused Joe Biden of inappropriate touching has made an allegation of sexual assault against the former vice president, the Democratic Party’s presumptive presidential nominee this fall.

    The former aide, Tara Reade, who briefly worked as a staff assistant in Biden’s Senate office, told The New York Times that in 1993, Biden pinned her to a wall in a Senate building, reached under her clothing and penetrated her with his fingers. A friend said that Reade told her the details of the allegation at the time. Another friend and a brother of Reade’s said she told them over the years about a traumatic sexual incident involving Biden.
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-nyt-tara-reade-joe-biden-sex-assault-allegation-20200412-j45k5kgvhfhurlhnsvlh4on4pa-story.html

    By definition, this is not a sexual assault.. This is rape..

  92. [92] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Michale-

    In a normal election it might matter but this one, it doesn't and I'll give you 23 reasons why:

    Ivana Trump (1989)
    Jill Harth (1992)
    E. Jean Carroll (1995 or 1996)
    Summer Zervos (2007)
    Alva Johnson (2019)
    Jessica Leeds (1980s)
    Kristin Anderson (1990s)
    Lisa Boyne (1996)
    Cathy Heller (1997)
    Temple Taggart McDowell (1997)
    Karena Virginia (1998)
    Mindy McGillivray (2003)
    Jennifer Murphy (2005)
    Rachel Crooks (2005)
    Natasha Stoynoff (2005)
    Juliet Huddy (2005 or 2006)
    Jessica Drake (2006)
    Ninni Laaksonen (2006)
    Cassandra Searles (2013)
    Mariah Billado, Victoria Hughes, and three other Miss Teen USA contestants (1997)
    Bridget Sullivan (2000)
    Tasha Dixon (2001)
    Samantha Holvey (2006)

    54,239 dead due to covid-19 and counting...

  93. [93] 
    Michale wrote:

    In a normal election it might matter but this one, it doesn't and I'll give you 23 reasons why:

    All of your 23 reasons are utter bullshit..

    There is only ONE reason that this rape doesn't matter to you and the rest of the Weigantians..

    Joe Biden has a -D after his name... That's the ONLY factual reason this rape doesn't matter..

    Just like Bill Clinton's rapes never mattered to ya'all...

    54,239 dead due to covid-19 and counting...

    And you sound so damn happy about it.. :eyeroll:

  94. [94] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    All of your 23 reasons are utter bullshit..

    And that is the exact reason most here are ignoring your embolden attempts to paint hypocrisy...

    Joe Biden has a -D after his name... That's the ONLY factual reason this rape doesn't matter..

    This is a rare case that there is but one single reason why no one cares about personal actions, policy, age or any other criticisms you care to troll off your Trumpian haunts: Your guy is such an awful president, horrible human and has so completely proven incompetent when the country needs him most, he needs to go. Now. And many will not be too picky about his replacement...

  95. [95] 
    Michale wrote:

    In other words, you are fine with a President who has raped someone..

    Got it..

  96. [96] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Yawn.

  97. [97] 
    Michale wrote:

    I accept your concession...

  98. [98] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Refusing to play your game is different than agreeing to words foisted upon them...

    55,024 dead due to covid-19 and counting...

  99. [99] 
    TheStig wrote:

    99-

    Hey why so glum Bashi? "Thank's A Million Trump Day" is happening Monday or Tues...or Wed. at the latest. Celebrate Ol' Doc Trump's Ratings Grabbing Medicine Show with a frosty glass of Clorox, and dust the rim of your glass with Drano flakes to make your COVID killing drink even more festive! Now you are ready for that trip to the tattoo parlor you've craving these past weeks in isolation! Anyone up for bowling?

    I'm just being sarcastic....

  100. [100] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Liz,

    Here is one link to one of the blood clot stories:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/

  101. [101] 
    Michale wrote:

    Refusing to play your game is different than agreeing to words foisted upon them...

    Your agreement is not necessary to the facts.. They are still facts, regardless..

    I accept your concession you have no counter to the FACTS...

  102. [102] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Liz,

    Here is the other story.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/

    WaPost has given free access for all coronavirus articles, so this should be available without a subscription.

  103. [103] 
    Michale wrote:

    http://sjfm.us/pics/FloridaSkiResort.jpg

    hehehehehehehehehe

    A PERFECT example of the LEFT WING media... :D

  104. [104] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Thanks, Russ … looking forward to the study and what WHO says about it on Monday.

  105. [105] 
    Michale wrote:

    Another perfect example of the Left Wing media.. :D

    http://sjfm.us/pics/TrumpShotsEagles.jpg

  106. [106] 
    Michale wrote:

    looking forward to the study and what WHO says about it on Monday.

    We already know what the WHO had to say

    Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China????????.

    They said EXACTLY what China wanted them to say...

    :eyeroll:

  107. [107] 
    Michale wrote:

    So.. You ready to talk about Joe Biden committing rape??

    Bashi put himself on record that he is perfectly OK with rape..

    What say you???

  108. [108] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @m,

    even if tara reade's allegations were 100% true, which is far from certain and not consistent with any other accusations against biden, donald has so royally screwed up so far in response to covid-19 that he'll have to improve his standing a whole lot between now and november if he wants to keep the odds in his favor.

    JL

  109. [109] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Bashi put himself on record that he is perfectly OK with rape..

    I said nothing of the sort. Don't put words in my mouth, please.

  110. [110] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale,

    All of your 23 reasons are utter bullshit..

    Wow, being away for so long really taken a toll on your skills... this comment completely invalidates your entire argument!

    In other words, you are fine with a President who has raped someone..

    Got it..

    Well, you are fine with Trump, so I would think that you’d welcome the company!

  111. [111] 
    Michale wrote:

    even if tara reade's allegations were 100% true, which is far from certain and not consistent with any other accusations against biden,

    Actually, perfectly consistent...

    donald has so royally screwed up so far in response to covid-19 that he'll have to improve his standing a whole lot between now and november if he wants to keep the odds in his favor.

    So, rape is OK as long as President Trump is an asshole... What I mean is, rape is not disqualifying in your opinion...

  112. [112] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    So, your aspiration is to be at my level..

    Gotcha... :eyeroll:

  113. [113] 
    Michale wrote:

    I said nothing of the sort.

    Actually you said EXACTLY the short..

    You were silent on the rape crime against Biden..

    And, as you morons established during Charlottesville...

    SILENCE GIVES ASSENT

  114. [114] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Actually you said EXACTLY the short..

    And the the fuck is "the short"?

    You were silent on the rape crime against Biden..

    So what? Because I won't play your game, your pathetic ego requires claiming a "win" by assigning words to people they did not say?

  115. [115] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    A first person account from a coroner in Albany (pronounced All-BEEN-EE), GA.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/25/is-this-another-death-ill-have-pronounce/?arc404=true

  116. [116] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    even if tara reade's allegations were 100% true,

    They obviously are..

    ALL WOMEN ARE TO BE BELIEVED...

    NO ONE here spoke up against that when it was the Democrat Anti-Kavanaugh mantra..

    So, according to Democrats Tara Reade's accusations are 1000% factually accurate..

    Unless you want to concede here and now that the Democrat mantra of ALL WOMEN ARE TO BE BELIEVED is complete and utter bullshit and is TOTALLY based on their hate, bigotry and Party agenda...

    I'm fine either way.. :D

  117. [117] 
    Michale wrote:

    So what?

    Silence gives assent, dipshit..

    That's what you morons established at Charlottesville...

  118. [118] 
    Michale wrote:

    A first person account from a coroner in Albany (pronounced All-BEEN-EE), GA.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/25/is-this-another-death-ill-have-pronounce/?arc404=true

    WaPoop...

    'nuff said...

  119. [119] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Silence gives assent, dipshit..

    Only an imbecile would think that...

  120. [120] 
    Michale wrote:

    Only an imbecile would think that...

    And yet, that is what *ALL* of you said during the Charlottesville debacle...

    So, yer an imbecile...

  121. [121] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @m,

    "all women are to be believed" is obviously a gross exaggeration of the accurate statement that most allegations of sexual assault are true. if it happens to be the case that tara reade's accusation is true, then that would be a sad and unfortunate thing for donald and joe to have in common, and i wouldn't be okay with it in either case.

    even if sexual assault allegations were more of a wash between the two rather than donald having twenty-something sex crime allegations against him to joe's zero (or one, if tara reade is right), donald's "very little, very late" response to covid-19 would still make him clearly the weaker candidate of the two.

    that's today's situation, anyway.

    JL

  122. [122] 
    Michale wrote:

    Welp, it's that time o the night.. :D

    "Hasta Lasagna, don't get any on ya..."
    -Emilio Estevez, MISSION IMPOSSIBLE

    :D

  123. [123] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    charlottesville wasn't about silence or assent, it was about "very fine people on both sides"

  124. [124] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oops.. Can't be rude...

    "all women are to be believed" is obviously a gross exaggeration of the accurate statement that most allegations of sexual assault are true.

    And yet, it stood without comment as valid by ALL Weigantians during the hysterical LYNCH KAVANAUGH phase...

    Why is that???

    ALL WOMEN ARE TO BE BELIEVED....

    Regardless of how you want to characterize it, it's UNDENIABLE that it's support here was SOLELY based on hate, bigotry and Party agenda...

    even if sexual assault allegations were more of a wash between the two rather than donald having twenty-something sex crime allegations against him to joe's zero (or one, if tara reade is right), donald's "very little, very late" response to covid-19 would still make him clearly the weaker candidate of the two.

    So, it's all about the numbers??

    One rape vs a dozen sexual assault allegations..

    Sounds to me like yer trying to justify the unjustifiable..

    Mitigate the un-mitigatable...

    But THAT can't be factually accurate, eh???

    I'll catch your response in the AM...

  125. [125] 
    Michale wrote:

    Dammit, I gotta go!! :D

    charlottesville wasn't about silence or assent, it was about "very fine people on both sides"

    No.. That's what it ended up being about..

    Initially, it was about President Trump's allegedly silence on the issue and that silence gave assent..

    At least, that's what the claim was by Paula and the rest of the Weigantian Peanut Gallery....

    You can't re-write Weigantian history.. it's not allowed.. :D

  126. [126] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    And yet, that is what *ALL* of you said during the Charlottesville debacle...

    Did I? Can you point it out?

    So, yer an imbecile...

    No, you are "the imbecile" and have precedence. I would never take that away...

    Heh

  127. [127] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    This thread is dead.

  128. [128] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    See y'all Monday, at the new column!

  129. [129] 
    Michale wrote:

    }}}}}And yet, that is what *ALL* of you said during the Charlottesville debacle...{{{{

    Did I? Can you point it out?

    Of course..

    You didn't say anything to oppose the claim..

    Ergo you gave your assent that it was a valid claim..

    Duh....

    No, you are "the imbecile" and have precedence. I would never take that away...

    Ahhhh the old I'M RUBBER YOU'RE GLUE rebuttal..

    About what I have come to expect from a bigot with the intelligence of dried fruit..

  130. [130] 
    Michale wrote:

    This thread is dead.

    Awwww.. But we're having so much fun!!! :D

    See y'all Monday, at the new column!

    I'll be there!! Maybe we can talk about Biden's rape crime..

  131. [131] 
    Michale wrote:

    As far as Biden's running mate search goes, the ONE question that needs to be asked of all female running mates...

    As a side note, it's completely and utterly sexist and racist for Biden to declare that he, regardless of qualifications, is going to choose a colored (in it's contemporary definition) woman...

    Anyways, the FIRST question this non-caucasian woman needs to be asked is "Are you OK serving under a man who has a rape charge filed against him?"

  132. [132] 
    Michale wrote:

    To Liz, et al,

    Democratic leaders in Congress remain mum on Biden sexual assault allegations despite mounting uproar from progressives

    Democratic leaders in Congress continued on Sunday to remain quiet on the sexual assault allegations leveled against their party’s presumptive presidential nominee Joe Biden, even as anger over the accusations mounted from the party’s more progressive wing.

    Neither House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., nor Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., have made any public comment about the allegations by Tara Reade, a staffer for Biden in 1993, that the then-senator from Delaware sexually assaulted her.

    Pelosi and Schumer’s offices did not return Fox News request for comment.

    There is growing anger from both progressive Democrats and supporters of the #MeToo movement about the lack of response from Democratic leaders toward the allegations. The hashtag #dropoutbiden was trending on Twitter on Sunday – until it was allegedly removed – and many supporters for former Democratic presidential primary hopeful Bernie Sanders are calling on Biden to suspend his campaign for the White House.

    Nick Brana, Sanders’ former national outreach coordinator, tweeted over the weekend that the Democratic National Committee should either force Biden to drop out or “admit that suppressing progressives is the true purpose of your party.”
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democratic-leaders-in-congress-remain-mum-on-biden-sexual-assault-allegations-despite-moutning-uproar-from-progressives

    This issue is NOT going to fade away quietly...

    Ya'all (and Trump/America hating Dumbocrats in general) really only have 2 choices..

    1. Address it now when it's in it's infancy

    2. Be swallowed up by it when it grows beyond ya'all's control

    I know what the more logical and rational choice would be...

    But, then again.... We're talking Democrats/Weigantians...

    So logic and rational never enters the picture..

    Especially when HHPTDS is at it's most virulent...

  133. [133] 
    Michale wrote:

    Timeline shows media, Dems' different approach to Tara Reade accusation after Kavanaugh free-for-all

    When Christine Blasey Ford publicly accused Supreme Court Associate Justice Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault in a September 2018 interview with The Washington Post, prominent Democrats and media organizations rushed to the story -- demanding answers and, in many cases, the end of Kavanaugh's career.

    In the weeks after Tara Reade publicly charged in a podcast released March 25 that Joe Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993, however, those same politicians and outlets have become either silent or equivocal -- even as mounting video and testimonial evidence corroborates Reade's claim, where Ford presented no contemporaneous support for her allegations.

    A Fox News chronology, beginning the day of each accusation, shows the extent to which Reade's claims have been handled differently from Ford's.

    Fox News has reached out to Democratic lawmakers for comment about Reade, but has not heard back. Similarly, not a single Democratic senator responded when The Daily Caller gave each lawmaker 24 hours to provide comment on Reade's allegations.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/media-that-rushed-to-report-kavanaugh-allegations-are-now-less-interested-in-biden-sexual-assault-claim

    How can ya'all explain the blatant and utter Party agenda based hypocrisy???

    Answer: You can't.. So ya'all just ignore the question in hopes of me moving on to something else..

    Com'on.. Ya'all know me too well!! :D

    The Democrat Nominee for President has been credibly accused of RAPE...

    And NONE of ya'all (NEN) have anything to say about it??

    Ironic.... And completely expected...

    Well, it's ya'all's call.. Deal with it now while it's manageable..

    Or deal with it later when it's a maelstrom...

    Your faced with the same choice Nixon was faced with in Watergate...

    Let's hope ya'all decide more wisely than he did...

  134. [134] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Elizabeth, I'm not sure how seriously to take your comments [54]. (Perhaps you were being 'sarcastic', like Trump about injecting bleach): 'Americans filing for unemployment has broken records during an unprecedented health crisis has little to do with the economy, market or otherwise.'

    The Federal Reserve of the United States has a mandate to sustain the economy (NB: the VERY FIRST 'goal'):
    'The Federal Reserve works to promote a strong U.S. economy. The Congress has directed the Fed to conduct the nation's monetary policy to support three specific goals: maximum sustainable employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates. These goals are sometimes referred to as the Fed's "mandate."'
    https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/what-economic-goals-does-federal-reserve-seek-to-achieve-through-monetary-policy.htm

  135. [135] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Elizabeth [54]:
    '...particularly those of us who are heavily invested with regard to their retirement savings plans. I'm pretty happy that the markets aren't falling off the proverbial cliff, if you take my meaning.'

    I'm very happy for you and every one who is not facing an empty cupboard and zero income right now. But are you really that heartless?

  136. [136] 
    Michale wrote:

    I'm very happy for you and every one who is not facing an empty cupboard and zero income right now. But are you really that heartless?

    Of course not.. She's the sweetest lady you could ever be so lucky to meet..

    But she is also (usually) pragmatic and lives in the REAL world..

    You should try it sometime...

  137. [137] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Chris,
    I tried to send you an email and got this:
    Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
    Date: Monday, April 27, 2020 12:46 PM

    This is the mail system at host mailnew.nyi.internal.

    I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
    be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

    For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

    If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
    delete your own text from the attached returned message.

    The mail system

    : Host or domain name not found. Name service error for
    name=chrisweigant.com type=A: Host not found

  138. [138] 
    Michale wrote:

    I tried to send you an email

    heh

    One can guess what *THAT* is about!! :D

  139. [139] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, I am guessing since ya'all hate President Trump so much, ya'all won't be taking the Stimulus money that he pushed thru...

    Right???

    :D

  140. [140] 
    Michale wrote:

    (Perhaps you were being 'sarcastic', like Trump about injecting bleach): '

    Of course, President Trump said nothing of the sort..

    But why let FACTS ruin a perfectly good hysterical HHPTDS infused rant... :D

  141. [141] 
    Kick wrote:

    I spent most of the day yesterday volunteering at a local food bank to help get boxes ready for distribution, and I have to say it was infinitely hard to do that while keeping social distancing rules since it was like everybody wanted right up in my face, and I kept having to beg/admonish people out of my "space," but I digress. Anyway, one of the boxes we were preparing included (among other things) hand sanitizer and bleach crystals and... wouldn't you know it -- a disclaimer informing people not to eat the hand sanitizer and bleach. *facepalm*

  142. [142] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ

    Lots of great links. Thanks!

  143. [143] 
    Michale wrote:

    wouldn't you know it -- a disclaimer informing people not to eat the hand sanitizer and bleach. *facepalm*

    The fact that there is a warning is a testament to the stupidity of liberals..

    Nothing more..

    Eating Tide Pods was a liberal thing...

  144. [144] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    You didn't say anything to oppose the claim..

    Ergo you gave your assent that it was a valid claim..

    Duh....

    Are you ever going to post Michale's secret rules for arguing? Because "Silence gives assent" I disagree with and think is quite moronic and therefore are not held by it.

    Ahhhh the old I'M RUBBER YOU'RE GLUE rebuttal..

    No, you are "The Imbecile". Google has backed up most of the usenet and I can post a link to back up that claim anytime you wish...

  145. [145] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    and while most sexual assault allegations are true,

    OK, so what you are saying is that Tara Reade's rape accusation is likely factually accurate..

    OK.. I'll accept that... :D

    Let's examine your claim that Blasey-Ford's accusation is likely true, but Tara Reade's claim is not..

    What is your basis??

    Ford's accusation was about an adolescent teenager and she can't even remember where it occurred against a person who has absolutely NO history of that kind of activity....

    Reade's accusation is against a grown man and a sitting Senator with a history of like activity..

    The *ONLY* reason to find Ford's accusation credible and Reade's not is political considerations..

  146. [146] 
    Michale wrote:

    No, you are "The Imbecile". Google has backed up most of the usenet and I can post a link to back up that claim anytime you wish...

    So, your substantiation is USENET???

    BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

    You really are a retarded moron, ain'tcha... :eyeroll:

    Well, at least it's not Wapoop..

    Face reality, Bashi..

    Yer pwned... :D

    But I see yer still quite the cyber stalker...

    I can understand it.. You get your ass kicked on a daily basis so you have to go outside of Weigantia to save face... I get it..

  147. [147] 
    Michale wrote:

    Because "Silence gives assent" I disagree with and think is quite moronic and therefore are not held by it.

    Who are you trying to fool??

    You don't "think"... You hate.. Based on your bigotry and your Party agenda.. You hate..

    Period...

  148. [148] 
    Michale wrote:

    Remember how ya'all bitched and whined about the GOP cancelling primaries??

    New York cancels presidential primary, citing coronavirus, after Sanders camp asked to stay on ballot
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-cancels-presidential-primary-because-of-coronavirus

    I am SUUURREE you will complain when Dumbocrats do they same thing, right???

    :eyeroll:

  149. [149] 
    Michale wrote:

    Carrie Severino on Joe Biden accuser: Dems have a 'sudden onset' of respect for due process
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/carrie-severino-dems-sudden-onset-respect-due-process-joe-biden-accuser

    Funny how Dumbocrats are ALL about "due process"..

    When it's the presumptive Dumbocrat nominee that is being accused of rape..

    Again, JL...

    How is this **ANYTHING** but Party agenda at work??

  150. [150] 
    Michale wrote:

    Carrie Severino called out Democrats and the liberal media for now having a "sudden onset of respect for due process” when it comes to a sexual assault allegation against presidential candidate Joe Biden.

    Severino said the reaction is far different from the wall-to-wall coverage and outrage from the left when President Trump and Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh faced allegations of misconduct from women.

    The woman who has accused the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate of a sexual assault in the early 1990s says she's disappointed that CNN anchor Anderson Cooper failed to ask him about the allegation when he had the chance — not once, but twice.

    “I don’t think any of us know where the facts would lead on this. I do believe in due process, so I don’t think we can come to conclusions yet,” Severino, the Judicial Crisis Network founder, told “Fox & Friends First."

    “The problem is no one has looked into it, from the same Democrats who during the Kavanaugh hearings were going crazy about immediately jumping to conclusions with evidence that was far, far flimsier than we’re seeing here,” Severino said.

    Exactly..

    The evidence in this case FAR outweighs the evidence in the Kavanaugh case.. Ya'all jumped into that with BOTH feet...

    And yet, now ya'all don't even want to DISCUSS the *rape* criminal complaint against Biden..

    Again..

    HOW is this anything but D vs R partisanship at work??

  151. [151] 
    Michale wrote:

    A former neighbor of Joe Biden's accuser Tara Reade has come forward to corroborate her sexual-assault account, saying Reade discussed the allegations in detail in the mid-1990s

    Tara Reade, a former staffer in Joe Biden's Senate office, has accused the Democratic presidential nominee of sexually assaulting her in a congressional hallway in 1993.

    Now Reade's former neighbor Lynda LaCasse, a Biden supporter, tells Insider that Reade told her about the alleged assault in detail in 1995 or 1996: "This happened, and I know it did because I remember talking about it."

    A former colleague of Reade's also told Insider that Reade talked in the mid-1990s of being sexually harassed by her former boss in Washington, DC.

    The women have come forward just days after video emerged of a woman that Reade says is her mother calling into CNN's Larry King Live in 1993 to talk about her daughter's "problems" with a prominent senator.
    Biden has not addressed the accusations, but a campaign spokesperson says they are false.

    Insider is making this exclusive story available for free to non-subscribers.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4

    Compare and contrast that to Blasey Ford's bullshit claim who had absolutely NO FACTUAL BACKING from anyone...

    The **ONLY** reason to believe Blasey-Ford's accusation over Tara Reade's rape criminal complaint is due to Party fealty...

    No other conclusion fits the facts...

  152. [152] 
    Michale wrote:

    In March, when a former aide to Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden accused the candidate of sexually assaulting her in 1993, two people came forward to say that the woman, Tara Reade, had told them of the incident shortly after it allegedly occurred — her brother, Collin Moulton, and a friend who asked to remain anonymous for fear of retribution.

    Now two more sources have come forward to corroborate certain details about Reade's claims. One of them — a former neighbor of Reade's — has told Insider for the first time, on the record, that Reade disclosed details about the alleged assault to her in the mid-1990s.

    "This happened, and I know it did because I remember talking about it," Lynda LaCasse, who lived next door to Reade in the mid-'90s, told Insider.

    The other source, Lorraine Sanchez, who worked with Reade in the office of a California state senator in the mid-'90s, told Insider that she recalls Reade complaining at the time that her former boss in Washington, DC, had sexually harassed her, and that she had been fired after raising concerns.

    Again, Reade's rape criminal complaint has substantiation in the form of friends who corroborate the complaint insofar as Reade telling them about it..

    Town drunk/slut Blasey-Ford's friends basically stated she was whacked in the head and that her claims never happened...

    The *ONLY* reason to believe Ford and not Reade is due to Party agenda...

  153. [153] 
    Michale wrote:

    As I said.. And the FACTS bear this out..

    This is *NOT* going to fade away...

    The longer Biden is silent on this, the worse it's going to get..

    And ya'all just HAVE to know that there is more dirt waiting..

    Once Democrats are past the point of no return and Biden is the official nominee??

    It's all going to come crashing down... :D

  154. [154] 
    Michale wrote:

    CW,

    You appear to be having massive DNS issues...

  155. [155] 
    Michale wrote:

    Better get my comments in quick.. :D

    CLAIMS BACKED UP

    Neighbor, colleague reportedly back Biden accuser Tara Reade's claims
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/neighbor-co-worker-back-biden-accuser-tara-reade

    Again, one has to compare this to the Blasey-Ford accusations that had *NO* substantiation.. Even from her own friends...

    Biden is going down..

    If only someone would have warned him to stay out of the election and go out on top...

    Oh wait....

    This is going to be Biden's legacy...

    A rapist...

  156. [156] 
    Michale wrote:

    LaCasse, a retired staffer of San Luis Obispo General Hospital, said she lived in the same apartment complex as Reade in Morro Bay, Calif. She recalled how the two of them had talked about "violent stories" they've experienced, which was when Reade told her "about the senator that she had worked for and he put his hand up her skirt."

    "I personally am a Democrat, a very strong Democrat," LaCasse said. "And I'm for Biden, regardless. But still I have to come out and say this."

    Reade's former neighbor insisted that she wasn't asked to come forward and that she "volunteered," saying "If this was me, I would want somebody to stand up for me. It takes a lot of guts to do what she's doing."

    "I have to support her just because that's what happened," LaCasse said. "We need to stand up and tell the truth."

    Yep...

    NOT going to go away....

  157. [157] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Michale-

    Big words for one losing his mind. That memory not what it used to be? OK, now follow along for a third time:

    No stalking required. You handed it to me on a silver platter. Go back and search in the comments if you would like the full story, not going to type these things out every time you experience memory loss...

    So, your substantiation is USENET???

    When those threads have your full name, your wife's name, your daughter's name, your swinger past that you have admitted here as well as other interests you have mentioned, then yes my substantiation is USENET. Not to mention your comment style is unique. Anyone who has read a few posts of yours would know it's you even when in the paragraph form you are no longer able to handle.

    I ask again: shall I prove you are The Imbecile?

  158. [158] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    You don't "think"... You hate.. Based on your bigotry and your Party agenda.. You hate..

    Hilarious, projecting yourself on to others?

  159. [159] 
    Chris Weigant wrote:

    Program Note

    As you can all see, the site is back up once again.

    Problems happened between my ISP and the domain name service I use....

    italyrusty, please send your email again -- since the domain name was down, all incoming mail couldn't get here. If you still get it bounced back, post another comment (part of the problem with the ISP/DNS was an email that never made it to me, but on a different account, so I'm very interested in email problems right now).

    OK, more later.

    Oh, almost forgot: new column is up.

    -CW

  160. [160] 
    Chris Weigant wrote:

    Michale -

    You could post comments here while the DNS problems were happening?

    Curiouser and curiouser...

    My ISP said the site was up all along, but only with the numeric URL. If you tried to use "chrisweigant.com" it wasn't in the DNS system any more. But maybe because you were already connected to the site, it just kept working, I dunno.

    Please post any more details, if you've got them. Thanks.

    -CW

  161. [161] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    143

    The fact that there is a warning is a testament to the stupidity of liberals..

    Wrong. The fact that you claim to know anything about it is a testament to your incessant lying and the repetitive disinformation you provide ad nauseam on this forum. Your same old tired stale routine is juvenile -- not cute or funny -- just a circle jerk of infinite "heard it all before" monotonous bullshit... easily dismissed because "same shit different day."

    Eating Tide Pods was a liberal thing...

    The fact that you're prattling on and on about "Tide Pods" as if they are relevant to the subject of "hand sanitizer" and "bleach crystals" is a testament to your stupidity and willingness to just pulling the same stale shit out of your backside and repeatedly throwing invented shit into the comments section. Not cute... just repetitive, moronic, and quite predictable bullshit ad nauseam.

    Noun, verb "hate and bigotry." Mike keeps calling everyone haters. Who cares? It's obvious Bashi has you pegged.

    Your little routine is obviously dead here. *laughs*

  162. [162] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @m [149],

    when this first came out, i said that biden would absolutely have to address it, and how he did so could bear upon whether or not he is elected president. wouldn't you know it, cillizza now agrees with me.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/politics/biden-tara-reade-senate/index.html

    "...We need presidential leadership that's honest, trusted, truthful and steady. If I'm given the honor of becoming your president, I promise you I'll strive to give the nation that leadership every day."

    Biden should heed those words. Because with them he wasn't promising to live up to the standards set by Trump but rather to reach far beyond those standards.

    as to why i believed christine blasey ford and don't find tara reade's story entirely credible, it has zero to do with the politics. blasey ford is a professional with very little public profile, who had a lot to lose and very little to gain by coming forward. there's no motive for her to lie, and she didn't appear to really want to tell her story publicly.

    reade on the other hand appears to be anxious to bring attention to herself, and has been consistently described as being that way in other facets of her life, by friends and acquaintances. she has demonstrated both the motive to lie about her personal life and the penchant for doing so to bring herself attention or financial gain. and all that without even getting into all her weird posts about liking vladimir putin with his shirt off.

    mind you, that doesn't necessarily mean she's lying about this, it just means that it's harder to take her allegations at face value.

    JL

  163. [163] 
    chaszzzbrown wrote:

    [160] CW

    The results of DNS requests are usually cached locally; so even if your DNS service went pear-shaped, some (yea, perhaps many) users wouldn't know about it for some time-slice on the order of hours, until their last successful query expired.

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