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Friday Talking Points [400] -- A Campaign Retrospective, Part 1

[ Posted Friday, July 15th, 2016 – 15:31 PDT ]

We begin today with a warning. Our regularly-scheduled Friday Talking Points are going on hiatus for at least three weeks. Next Friday, we'll be heading to the Democratic National Convention, and the Friday after that we'll be heading back home. For both today and next Friday we're taking a look back (through the lens of our talking points) at the entire 2016 presidential campaign season so far. We have no idea what we're going to do the Friday after that (indeed, we can't even promise that there'll be a column at all on July 29th, at this point). Regular FTP columns will resume the first Friday in August, just in time for the traditional "Silly Season" of American politics.

The next two weeks are going to be all about the conventions, which means there'll be so many talking points discussed during the course of each week that hopefully the lack of a list each Friday won't even be noticed. For now, we can only offer up a do-it-yourself talking point challenge, just for fun. Then we're devoting the rest of the column to taking a look at the past year, for a special reason. Because this will be rather lengthy, we are pre-empting all the other segments of the column to present it.

OK, here's that challenge. Donald Trump has now officially selected Mike Pence for his running mate. This means it'll be a Trump/Pence ticket. Create your own humorous talking point around this matchup, and let everyone know about it down in the comments. Some ideas to get you started: "trumppence" -- something Dick Van Dyke might have said in his horrible Cockney accent, while ad-libbing during the filming of Mary Poppins? Or you could just go for the obvious concatenation of the names -- "it's the TP ticket!" Extra credit will be awarded on that last one for anyone who gets in a "Cornholio" reference. Heh. What would you call the Trump/Pence ticket? Share your thoughts in the comments, as usual.

 

Friday Talking Points

Volume 400 (7/15/16)

This is the reason we're taking a look back today (and next Friday). Our odometer just rolled over, as this is the 400th of these columns to appear. Woo hoo!

birthday cake

This column began way back in 2007, and we certainly never expected to still be doing it 400 weeks later, but here we are. Actually, that's not even true, since it's been longer than 400 weeks by the calendar (FTP gets pre-empted numerous times each year, such as when we run our year-end awards columns).

We considered taking a look back at the previous 100 columns, but that proved to be too big a task to tackle. So we limited it to only the past 50 columns instead, which neatly coincided with the start of the presidential race. But even this was too big for one column, as we found out when assembling it. So we split it into two, since we really had nothing for next Friday anyways. Convenient, that.

What follows are the most notable talking points from June of 2015 through the end of January of this year (around State Of The Union time, roughly). Some of these we've included because they still work perfectly well (nothing has changed, in other words), some were included for historical perspective (in case anyone's forgotten about Ted Cruz twirling, for instance), and some were just too funny not to run again.

Since this job was hard enough, we saved a lot of time on formatting by copying the talking point number (and title) verbatim from each previous article. So the numbers below aren't consecutive or anything. To set off the old from the new, we've also changed all our current commentary from this week by making it all italic. So, for this week and next, let's all take a stroll down memory lane, to the talking points of the 2016 presidential campaign season.

 

A Talking Point retrospective look at the 2016 campaign (so far)

Some of these we had to run again solely because they are still just as true as ever. Our first talking point comes from [FTP 351] which ran in June of last year, and the only thing that needs changing is "ten months" to "two years."

3
   Congress does its job for two hours, then punts

This is just pathetic. There's really no other word for it.

"Ever wonder why President Obama feels the need to occasionally act without involving Congress? The answer is that Congress is incapable of doing even the most important of its jobs. Ten months ago -- that's ten months ago -- Obama began a military campaign against the Islamic State. At the time, Republicans complained that Congress should have been consulted. Obama stated that he had the authority to act, but then sent over a proposal for a new 'authorization for the use of military force,' in an effort to share the warmaking responsibility with Congress. This week -- the first time in ten months, mind you -- the House finally spent two hours debating the war. Then they gave up. Democrats had to use parliamentary procedure to even force the debate, because the Republicans running Congress have not done anything on the war with the Islamic State. Nothing. One of the Democrats pushing the issue, Representative Jim McGovern, did not mince his words, stating that Congress was, quote, guilty of moral cowardice, unquote. I could not agree more. They are indeed shirking their constitutional duties -- another phrase McGovern used -- and every citizen should bear this in mind the next time Republicans complain that Obama is acting without their approval."

 

There were a lot of hilarious moments from the Republican presidential campaign trail, and everyone has their favorites, but this surely has to be in the top ten (at the very least). From [FTP 352] comes the high point of the Ted Cruz campaign.

5
   Twirling, always twirling

Ted Cruz, as noted earlier, put out a funny video this week. It would be an act of downright political malpractice if no Republican running against him ever uses this in an attack ad. Context: Cruz is actually quoting Kodos and Kang, the aliens from The Simpsons, from the "Treehouse of Horror" episode where they throw the Clinton/Dole presidential election. Even so, the funniest part (and the reason other Republicans should really use the clip) is that Cruz actually does perform a twirl, while reciting the quote:

"Forwards, not backwards! Upwards not downwards! And always twirling, twirling for freedom!"

 

Some of these we've included as a reminder that not everyone in the punditocracy was asleep at the switch. When Trump sewed up the GOP nomination, many pundits consoled themselves with "well, nobody saw this coming," which was complete and utter moose poop. Here's what we had to say about things -- on July 10, 2015 -- in a Friday article we subtitled "Donald Trump, Frontrunner." So at least some of us had the ability to read polls correctly, even that long ago. From [FTP 353], after the first talking point reinforced our subtitle.

2
   The face of the Republican Party

This one hurts even worse.

"Donald Trump is not just a frontrunner in the race for the Republican nomination, he's actually become the face of the Republican Party. Think about it -- whenever any Republican candidate gets interviewed, what is one of the first questions asked? 'What do you think of what Trump said?' To put this another way: Trump speaks, then all other Republicans react. By definition, Trump is speaking for the party now, and everyone else is just playing catch-up. Establishment Republicans can deny it until they're bright red in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that Donald Trump is now the most prominent voice in their party -- Trump is indeed the face of the Republican Party."

 

And then some we've just included again because they're so funny. From [FTP 355], here's a good example of someone unclear on the concept.

5
   Language, boy, it's tough

There's this thing called "spell check"....

"One day after hurling McCarthy-style charges at a House hearing, attacking a witness over the actions of his brother and his father, Representative Steve Russell issued a press release calling the witness, quote: 'anti-Sematic.' That's S-E-M-A-T-I-C, which doesn't actually appear in the dictionary I use. Perhaps Congressman Russell was having his own problem being 'anti-semantic'? [Pause for laughter] OK, I apologize for that one...."

 

A recurring theme: the Republican Congress can't get anything done at all, period. From [FTP 356], another one that would just need the "five whole years" updated to "six whole years" to work perfectly today.

5
   Trust us, we'll think of something

This is just becoming laughable.

"For over five years now, Republicans have been trying to kill Obamacare. All the Republican candidates for president agree that repealing Obamacare would be one of the first things on their to-do list as president. They've had all this time, and they still haven't got a single clue what to replace it with, though. They've held the House of Representatives for years now, and they have yet to even move a single replacement bill out of committee, much less held a vote on it on the House floor. There is absolutely nothing stopping them from doing so. And yet they haven't. Their answer, for five whole years, has been the same -- it was the same answer the Republican candidates gave on stage last night. Trust us, they say, and right after we repeal every word of Obamacare, we'll be sure to think of something to replace it with."

 

Another candidate for the top ten funniest 2016 campaign moments. From [FTP 358], remember Deez Nuts?

6
   Deez Nuts for president!

We normally wrap these up with one amusing final talking point. This week, we're going to do two instead, just because.

"Have you seen the recent polling? A fake candidate named 'Deez Nuts' is polling at a surprisingly high level among voters. For some unfathomable reason a few state-level polls included 'Deez Nuts' in a few of the questions they asked poll respondents about, and he's now getting nine percent in North Carolina, eight percent in Minnesota, and seven percent in Iowa! As the candidate explains: 'I am a 15-year-old who filled out a form, had the campaign catch on fire, and am now putting up the best third-party numbers since Ross Perot.' Right now his poll numbers are better than most of the Republican field, in fact. In a year when Donald Trump is the frontrunner, somehow it seems entirely appropriate that 'Deez Nuts' should be approaching second place in the race, don't you think?"

 

Something else we pointed out at the time, during the "glorious loyalty oath crusade" kerfluffle. From [FTP 360], we tried to warn them, we really did!

3
   GOP is pledging loyalty to Trump

This really needs to be pointed out.

"The head of the Republican National Committee had to travel to Trump Towers on bended knee to get Donald Trump to sign an unenforceable loyalty oath. What Reince Priebus and the rest of the Establishment Republicans don't realize, though, is that it's more likely than not that the pledge is going to work out exactly the opposite from what they expect. If Trump wins the nomination -- which, so far, he's the favorite to do -- then all the other candidates will have pledged to support Trump. No wonder Trump made Priebus crawl before him -- because Trump may be the ultimate beneficiary of the whole stunt. He signed because he doesn't believe he will even need to run a third-party campaign. He's planning on winning the Republican nomination."

 

We're trying to make this retrospective a reasonable length (really we are!), but there are two talking points from [FTP 361] which really deserve a place here. The first pointed out, in early September, that Trump was the clear favorite to win (again, note to pundits: this stuff ain't rocket science, the facts were there if you cared to look at them). The second was, perhaps, the greatest takedown of Trump during the entire campaign. It didn't work for Jindal, of course, but that doesn't make it any less brilliant.

3
   Trump unstoppable?

Trump faces off with Fiorina next week. Should be fun for all!

"Can you actually imagine what would happen if Donald Trump became president? Faces he deemed not suitable for television would not appear -- we'd have only beautiful women, as defined by Trump. President Trump will save us all from ugliness ever appearing on our screens again! Think it's impossible? Yet Donald Trump's poll numbers continue to climb, no matter what comes out of his mouth. There is simply no ceiling yet to his mounting support within the party. He's now polling over 30 percent, and my guess is that if he gets above 35 percent and sustains it, he may well become unstoppable for the Republican nomination. It'll sure make for an entertaining campaign season, that's for sure! Can't wait to see the debates next week, when Fiorina takes him on in person."

 

4
   Jindal gets off a good one

As promised, here is what Bobby Jindal had to say about Trump's religious knowledge. This is perfect for any Democrat to use, just preface with "...as Bobby Jindal said about Trump:"

Donald Trump has never read the Bible. The reason I know he has not read the Bible is that he's not in the Bible.

 

Chalk this one up on the long list of "apocalyptically-bad things Republicans lie awake at night worrying about, which never actually come to pass." I mean, seriously, we're going to invade Texas? Why? From [FTP 362], when yet another GOP conspiracy theory was definitively proven utterly wrong.

7
   Still no occupation of Texas

Likely the last time we'll be using this one. One would like to hope, at any rate.

"As Salon just helpfully pointed out, the 'Jade Helm 15' military exercise just wrapped up, and Texas is still somehow not occupied by the American military. Instead of the wild-eyed expectation that troops would be 'marching through your town, implementing Obamacare, pardoning undocumented workers and replacing the Constitution with Sharia law,' absolutely nothing happened instead. I'm still waiting for Texas Governor Greg Abbott to admit he was 'horribly wrong about the whole thing,' but I'm not exactly holding my breath."

 

A political bombshell hit Washington when John Boehner was essentially forced to resign. For a moment there, Republicans seemed to have the perfect replacement. Then he opened his mouth. From [FTP 364], that time when Kevin McCarthy messed up by admitting a big truth on camera.

4
   That's an awfully big cat, Kevin

I'm sure the Clinton campaign will have some prime snark about this one.

"Kevin McCarthy, the man who will likely become the next speaker of the House, just let a rather large cat out of the bag. He admitted on national television that the entire Benghazi investigation was nothing more than a partisan pre-emptive attack on Hillary Clinton's political prospects. He actually sounds proud of the fact that he's been wasting taxpayer money on this witchhunt, even after six or seven other investigations found precisely nothing. Anyone with half a brain could see that this was the real reason behind launching yet another investigation -- attacking Hillary's polling numbers, as McCarthy just boasted. But while everyone knew this was the case, Republicans were never supposed to actually come out and admit the truth in such blunt language. This wasn't some fluffy little kitten McCarthy just let out of the bag -- it was more like a saber-toothed tiger. If this is what we can expect from McCarthy, then I look forward to hearing him interviewed in the future, on all kinds of issues."

 

Sometimes humor was the only way to go. In October (obviously) the House essentially had nobody who wanted to be speaker (after McCarthy self-immolated). From [FTP 365], something to scare Republicans with (contextual note: the Tea Partiers, at some point, relabeled themselves the Freedom Caucus).

3
   Boo!

A timely reference if ever there was one.

"I think that for Hallowe'en this year, I'm going to dress up as a Freedom Caucus member and go around to all the House Republicans' offices. I can't imagine a scarier costume for them to see standing on their porch than that, personally. Boo! I've come to eat your brains! Everybody run!"

 

Two weeks later, they had found a savior. From [FTP 367], when Paul Ryan rather reluctantly agreed to take Boehner's job.

5
   Paul Ryan, savior

You could almost visualize the Republicans prostrating themselves while chanting: "We are not worthy!"

"Did Paul Ryan just get elected Pope? I even heard some Republicans were tweeting things like 'we have white smoke' when Ryan announced he'd reluctantly take the job of speaker of the House -- as long as he didn't have to work too hard at it. Ryan is being hailed as the savior of the House Republicans, but my guess is that this honeymoon is going to be pretty darn short. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Ryan eventually quits the job in frustration, just like John Boehner did. Paul Ryan doesn't actually walk on water or anything -- he's still got the job of governing the most ungovernable group of people in Washington. I mean, good luck to him and all, but I'm not exactly expecting miracles."

 

Some of these, we have to admit, we use pretty much on a yearly basis, just by updating the numbers. [FTP 368] has a perfect example of one of these, with the most jaw-dropping number yet.

6
   Nice work if you can get it

A favorite subject for ridicule, at least in this column.

"I see the congressional schedules for next year are out, and it seems that the House will only be bothering to show up for work a paltry 111 days out of all of next year. In 2011, they worked for 175 days. In 2015, they managed to work 132 days. Next year? Down to 111 days. That is downright pathetic, folks. We're paying these slackers to show up for work, on average, for only two days out of the week for all of next year. Well, if they only want to work two days out of every five, how about we just cut their salaries by sixty percent? Seems only fair to me."

 

Meanwhile, back in the presidential race, Trump kept outdoing himself on the outrageousness of his positions. From [FTP 369], Trump unveils his perfect plan to solve inequality.

1
   Wages are too high

This is one of the Democrats' strongest issues, and Donald Trump just gave them a gift.

"When asked whether America should raise the minimum wage in the Republican debate, pretty much every candidate who responded said they would leave the minimum wage where it is. Except for one. Donald Trump thinks, and I quote, 'wages are too high.' Got that? The federal minimum wage is too high, not too low. I would like to see, in the next debate, all the Republican candidates asked whether they agree with Trump or not -- and whether they'd lower the minimum wage. Perhaps they'll get in a bidding war to see how low a minimum wage they each would support."

 

This idea was revived recently, complete with a sit-in and a filibuster to force votes. Some of us, however, have been pointing it out for quite some time. From November, in [FTP 370], we again have two talking points. The first should sound familiar, and the second one was just so wildly idiotic that we feel the need to remind everyone it happened.

3
   2,000 guns sold

This is the best example to use.

"After 9/11, politicians were awfully quick to restrict Americans' civil liberties. The USA PATRIOT Act flew through Congress, as I recall. But the one civil liberty that Republicans refused to even address was the ownership of firearms. 'Maybe we should do something so terrorists who sneak into America can't get guns,' Democrats proposed, but the answer was a flat: 'Nope, we're not gonna do that,' from the Republicans. Well, in the past ten years two thousand guns were bought by people on the official government terrorist watch list. Doesn't that concern Republicans even a tiny little bit? Don't you think this is a bigger danger than some three-year-old Syrian who is going to have to wait two or three years to become an official refugee? This is what I mean about Republicans getting distracted from real, tangible, and downright dangerous loopholes in America's laws -- loopholes that have allowed thousands of guns to get in the hands of suspected terrorists."

 

4
   Convert the heathens!

This one is just the essence of stupidity, really. Remember, too: he's supposed to be the sane Republican running.

"Republican presidential candidate John Kasich -- a supposed moderate -- had his own brilliant idea for how to win the hearts and minds of Middle Eastern terrorists. He's going to create a new Department of Judeo-Christian Propaganda, and beam Judeo-Christian messages into the conflict zone. Boy! What a great idea! Let's try to convert the heathens! I'm surprised someone hasn't come up with such a brilliant idea before -- to travel to the Holy Land and either convert or kill everyone there. You could even come up with a snappy title for the program, something along the lines of 'The American Crusade' -- because that'll be the ticket to solving the religious conflicts in the Middle East! And this is from the moderate Republican candidate, mind you."

 

By December, some Republicans had started to absolutely freak out. This phenomenon has grown over time, but even back then some were sounding the alarm. From [FTP 371] comes advice from a strategy memo (full of talking points, in other words) from the people whose political job it is to get Republicans elected to the Senate. Note well that "never, ever" is exactly where we find ourselves now.

1
   Never, ever

As mentioned, the first four of these are from that Republican senatorial campaign memo. This was the very first bullet point from the memo, and it paints a very grim picture for Republicans.

Trump is a Misguided Missile. Let's face facts. Trump says what's on his mind and that's a problem. Our candidates will have to spend full time defending him or condemning him if that continues. And, that's a place we never, ever want to be.

 

Trump's international image was no better that it was here at home. From [FTP 372] comes this gem. Maybe she's got an anti-Trump spell to recommend? Expellitrumpus!

7
   He-who-must-not-be-named

And, finally, the best putdown of the week.

"Donald Trump isn't too popular in Great Britain these days, it seems. Not only is there a petition (with hundreds of thousands of signatures on it) for Parliament to ban him from the country as a hatemonger, he is also being widely compared to Voldemort. Which brought the following response from J. K. Rowling: 'How horrible. Voldemort was nowhere near as bad.' It didn't stop the jokes about Trump's hair being one of his horcruxes, though."

 

By January, you'd have thought that the pundits would have realized that Donald Trump was the clear favorite to win, seeing as how he'd led in the polls for six solid months. You'd be wrong, though. In [FTP 373] we noted in the introduction that two columnists (one left, one right) both rightly identified their own logical error (the "Underpants Gnome Theory"), but then went right ahead and doubled-down on that error by explaining that Phase 2 simply had to happen -- it was inevitable!

Lefty Ezra Klein of Vox responded with a column of his own. Which is where the Underpants Gnomes come in. For those who are still wondering what the heck Underpants Gnomes are, we refer you to a synopsis of the "Gnomes" episode of South Park, or to a short video of their infamous business plan. Underpants Gnomes, you see, sneak around at night stealing children's underpants, as part of a grand get-rich-quick scheme. Here is their business plan, in all its glory:

Phase 1: Collect underpants

Phase 2: ?

Phase 3: Profit

Which is how Klein admits precisely what is missing in the conventional Washington "Trump must lose" wisdom:

It's the Underpants Gnomes theory of Trump's loss. Step 1: Trump leads the polls for month after month. Step 2: ??? Step 3: He loses! Even if you think that's likely, it sounds a bit ridiculous when you say it aloud.

Even though Klein admitted how ridiculous it was, he stuck to his guns and stated that because Howard Dean lost, Trump would most assuredly also lose. No, really! Later on, in the talking points, came a few more items to add to that "has never happened" list.

1
   Doom and gloom that never happened

I'm sure President Obama will be mentioning this in his upcoming State Of The Union address, but perhaps not in such a snarky way.

"When President Obama ran for re-election, Republicans predicted a heavy dose of doom-and-gloom for America. Looking back on some of these predictions shows how little attention should be paid to conservatives' dire warnings, of course. Gas was supposed to be over six bucks a gallon by now. Unemployment was supposed to be stuck at eight percent. Obamacare was supposed to have entered a death spiral. Instead, take a look around you. Gas is cheap, the economy is adding 300,000 jobs per month. Obama has averaged more jobs added to the economy per year than George W. Bush and his father combined, in fact. Unemployment is at five percent -- a full point lower than Mitt Romney promised by the end of his first term, mind you -- and over 11 million people have signed up for Obamacare already this year. The reality is a lot brighter than Republican predictions -- keep that in mind as you listen to them campaign this year, folks."

 

We noticed that we never properly gave credit for where we came up with our final item this week, so we'd like to rectify this now. We got the pun from the book title of a collection of Wizard Of Id cartoons published in the 1970s. Being a kingdom, the title was actually "The Peasants Are Revolting!" Mea culpa, Johnny Hart and Brant Parker. We updated this in [FTP 375], for today's political scene, as more and more Republicans began to revolt against their likely nominee.

7
   Conservatives are revolting

And finally, we end exactly where we began.

"Boy, it's tough to keep track of the revolts going on in the Republican Party these days. Donald Trump is leading a revolt against the establishment Republicans. The National Review is leading a counterrevolt against Trump. The establishment Republicans are actually waving a big white flag and are now revolting against the National Review and sucking up to Trump. Ted Cruz is leading a revolt against pretty much every other Republican in existence, who are quite willing to badmouth Cruz in return. The party's voters are leading a revolt against the big money donors. Pretty much anywhere you look within the Republican Party, things are downright revolting."

That's it for this week! See you next Friday (same bat time, same bat channel) for part 2 of our look back.

-- Chris Weigant

 

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172 Comments on “Friday Talking Points [400] -- A Campaign Retrospective, Part 1”

  1. [1] 
    apophis wrote:

    TRUMP-PENCE: NONSENSE

  2. [2] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    We have no idea what we're going to do the Friday after that (indeed, we can't even promise that there'll be a column at all on July 29th, at this point).

    Who has any idea of anything, anymore?

  3. [3] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Chris,

    Be careful at the Democratic convention. Always be aware of your surroundings. Stay safe. Have lots of fun but, take good care!

    I mean that sincerely, I'm not trying to be facetious here.

  4. [4] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Oh, and a big congratulations on FTP 400, Chris!

    I think we should have a party.

  5. [5] 
    sd4david wrote:

    Vote for Trump /Pence, you'll get your comeuppance

  6. [6] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    Orange Julius picked Mike P for his dog whistle white hair.

  7. [7] 
    Michale wrote:

    And back to the playground we go...

    3rd Grade.. Time for recess...

    :D

    Michale

  8. [8] 
    Michale wrote:

    Officials said there is no evidence thus far that Mateen, 29, was gay or that his attack was motivated by homophobia.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/no-evidence-so-far-to-suggest-orlando-shooter-targeted-club-because-it-was-gay/2016/07/14/a7528674-4907-11e6-acbc-4d4870a079da_story.html

    And, once again, ya'all were wrong and I was right...

    Leave LEO/CT analysis to the professionals.... :^/

    Michale

  9. [9] 
    Speak2 wrote:

    Given that Congress is recessing earlier than ever? since 1960? since 1996? The silly season has already begun. And, just in time for the Conventions.

    Trump-Pence: Even more awful!

    Not very funny, but way accurate.

  10. [10] 
    Speak2 wrote:

    An OK, but nothing exceptional article from a New Republic contributor I generally like, Brian Beutler, has the most exceptional title:

    The Praise for Mike Pence Epitomizes the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations

  11. [11] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK So, get this..

    Hillary is reading a speech from a teleprompter.. In the speech, it calls for her to {sigh}....

    Hillary ACTUALLY reads the word "sigh" and makes it part of her speech!!!

    That's ya'all's Crooked Hillary.. Never had an independent thought that wasn't put thru focus groups first!! :D

    Michale

  12. [12] 
    Michale wrote:

    Which probably explains why Crooked Hillary hasn't had a press conference in like forever...

    She is so scripted, she actually reads the italicized directions for displaying emotions..

    ehehehehehehehe

    Michale

  13. [13] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hay, you guys are right!

    Knocking the candidates for stoopid and inane stuff, calling them names...

    Yer right!! It IS fun!!!! :D

    Of course, it doesn't lend itself to rational, objective and serious debate...

    But who needs that when we can make fun of the color of a person's skin or their hair or call them silly childish names!!!

    :D

    Michale

  14. [14] 
    Michale wrote:

    Reports of a coup in Turkey caught Washington off guard Friday as a military faction claimed it had taken control of the strategic U.S. ally.
    Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article89937372.html#storylink=cpy

    Once again, Hussein Odumbo put's his incompetence on display for all to see....

    Michale

  15. [15] 
    Michale wrote:

    Every terrorist attack that hits will push terrorism to the forefront in this general election...

    Beyond the overall theme of this election (ESTABLISHMENT vs ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT), three main issues have Americans worried...

    Economy
    Terrorism
    Illegal Immigration

    Every terrorist attack proves how inept and incompetent The Establishment in keeping innocent people safe...

    Every success for the Daesch is a black eye to the Democrat Party.....

    Every time people die at the hands of terrorists. Hillary loses 100 votes and Trump gains 500 votes....

    Michale

  16. [16] 
    Michale wrote:

    By the bi....

    Happy 400th... :D

    Michale....

  17. [17] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Praise for Mike Pence Epitomizes the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations

    Do you REALLY want to slam the GOP for "Low Expectations"??

    The Party whose candidate has so many scandals that the BEST thing they can say about her is, "Well, at least she's never been indicted.."

    A candidate who 70% of Americans think that the best word to describe her is "LIAR"...

    I'm just sayin'.....

    Michale

  18. [18] 
    Michale wrote:

    8 YEARS AFTER HOPE AND CHANGE, VOTERS ARE ANGRY, ANXIOUS
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CAMPAIGN_2016_EVENING_IN_AMERICA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-07-16-07-56-19

    There can be no debate....

    Odumbo has been a disappointment..

    "You wanna write the best selling autobiography of all time, you explain to me, tell me why you abandoned me.... us?
    "Because you disappointed me. You all disappointed me."

    -SUPERNATURAL, Don't Call Me Shurley

    Michale

  19. [19] 
    Michale wrote:

    Joshua,

    Just a heads up.. I haven't forgotten our bet... Things have just been tighter than normal at the shop...

    I barely have enough to pay attention...

    But never fear, I am still on it....

    Michale

  20. [20] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    no prob. i sent CW my design for you if you're interested - he has both a link to the design and my email address.

  21. [21] 
    Michale wrote:

    That would be awesome!!

    I have a T-Shirt lady here that I can probably get her to make me a shirt..

    CW, would ya mind?? :D

    Or you can just email it direct.. my user name at em eff see see eff el dot us

    Michale

  22. [22] 
    Michale wrote:

    hehehehe Nice design..

    If yer OK with that, then I am too.. Save me a lot of explanations, as you can probably imagine.. :D

    If they have it in a tank top, I think we're good..

    Michale

  23. [23] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK, I talked to my friend. I'll get her the shirt tomorrow and she will put it on next week.. So I should have it for a week from today.. I'll give ya'all access to my shop's surveillance cameras again so you can confirm. :D

    Michale

  24. [24] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, the first reviews of STAR TREK: BEYOND are in....

    It's status as STAR TREK: 90210 has been cemented...

    A politically correct hodgepodge of affairs and inconsequential BS... Who CARES if Sulu is gay???

    Political correctness has ruined Trek...

    It's more GALAXY QUEST than STAR TREK... :^/

    Michale...

  25. [25] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, just for the record..

    Aaron was not part of the Oceanic Six....

    He was carry-on....

    Michale

  26. [26] 
    Michale wrote:

    Grrr... That comment will make more sense when the comment that preceded it is rescued from the NNL filters...

    CW, would ya mind?? :D

    Michale

  27. [27] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump's secret weapon is Ivanka
    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/287789-right-hand-woman

    Strange....

    Donald Trump doesn't SOUND like Satan*OR* Hitler....

    I am guessing it's just more BS hyperbole from the hysterical Left Wingery....

    Michale

  28. [28] 
    Michale wrote:

    I am guessing it's just more BS hyperbole from the hysterical Left Wingery....

    And if ANYONE can recognize BS hyperbole, it's me!! :D

    Michale

  29. [29] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Indeed!

  30. [30] 
    Michale wrote:

    See!? We agree!! :D

    Michale

  31. [31] 
    Michale wrote:

    That's what's missing from around here..

    Self-deprecating humor... :D

    Michale

  32. [32] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I'm all for more self-deprecation.

  33. [33] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Just so long as it's not MY self. Heh.

  34. [34] 
    Michale wrote:

    heh

    Michale

  35. [35] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Kevin McCarthy, the man who will likely become the next speaker of the House, just let a rather large cat out of the bag. He admitted on national television that the entire Benghazi investigation was nothing more than a partisan pre-emptive attack on Hillary Clinton's political prospects.

    He did nothing of the sort...

    But why let FACTS get in the way of political spin...

    Michale

  36. [36] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Okay, here's my entry. I call it:

    The Hoosier and the Contractor (Part 1)

    The sun was hot as you'd expect
    for the middle of July
    the grass was green as Irish spring
    beneath a cloudless sky
    And Trump, of course, knew none of this
    because he was inside.

    And Trump was sulking mightily
    and had phoned some friends to bitch
    that Pence was dull; he much prefer
    Christie or Gingritch.
    But he'd promised to Ivana
    That he'd let her make this pick.

    But once upon the podium
    he felt his power surge
    And everybody in the room
    hung on his every word.
    And no one even cared to say
    his ideas were absurd.

    He talked and talked for a half an hour,
    hurling insults, settling scores,
    If it hadn't been for Pence he might
    have talked about an hour more.
    After all, what else is all this
    free network face-time for?

    So finally he gets all talked out
    and introduces Pence
    (he's missed the change to give it
    any smidgeon of suspense) -
    the press leaned in a bit to see
    if either one was tense.

    The candidate was brilliant orange
    His partner's dome bright white
    Trump stayed for the photograph,
    and exited stage-right.
    And left Pence on the stage alone
    beneath the network lights.

    So when the Hoosier and the Contractor
    are standing hand-in-hand
    among the proud cornholers
    in the city of Cleveland,
    and supporters grin like oysters,
    Cause their wish is his demand!

    Remember that in Jersey
    on the floor of a garage
    is a note of appreciation
    and a used-and-tossed corsage,
    and reminder that reality
    is called the Trump Mirage!

  37. [37] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    Have you been reading the recently released pages from the 9/11 inquiry focused on the alleged involvement of the Saudi government, either in thwarting US attempts to deal with terrorism enabled by the House of Saud before 9/11 and in Saudi government connections with the 9/11 attackers and God knows what else related to the Saudi government?

  38. [38] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Here's the link and within is the link to the document itself.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/us/28-pages-saudi-arabia-september-11.html?emc=edit_na_20160715&nlid=22515649&ref=headline

    Nothing to see here, move along, say the Saudis. That's why it has been kept secret for so long. Because there's no there, there.

    There, there ... indeed. ;)

  39. [39] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale [34]

    Yeah, Michale, he really did! It isn't like the rest of the world hadn't already figured that was the case by their fourth investigation that didn't find any evidence of wrongdoing, but McCarthy made it official! Heck, all of my Republican family and friends back in GA even were ready for the GOP to stop beating that dead horse a long time ago! That's why when you rush to defend and deny it to be the case, I start to wonder if you are just arguing for the sake of arguing! McCarthy isn't the Speaker, which should have occurred if he really didn't say that on camera.

  40. [40] 
    TheStig wrote:

    Trump, World's Richest and Successful Business Man Will Inexplicably Take The Stage In Cleveland Wearing Off The Rack Pence

    The Pence were obtained at Little Mikey's, a discount running mate outlet located near the Indianapolis Airport, during a refueling stop for Trump 1, the worlds fastest and most expensively outfitted Cessna Citation X (now fully licensed).

    The candidate had second random thoughts shortly after wheels up...the Pence didn't seems as good a fit as they had in the back room with the dim lighting. They slid a bit on the leather.

    Mrs. Trump the 3rd, who had not been consulted on the purchase, was incensed. "I thought we agreed on something from Christie's Of New Jersey! These things look cheap....Gawd, look at the label, it's a blend, 65% Evangelical, 15% NRA, 15% Defund Planned Parenthood plus trace fibers....probably butt hair! Look, we've already got Indiana in the bag! Uhhhh (dismissive arm wave)."

    The Candidate was taken aback, he offered to drop his new Pence, but his Acting Campaign Manager for the Day stepped in quickly. "Chief, you cannot drop your Pence in Public, and certainly not while Cruising at 35,000 feet over Pennsylvania. We'll get 'em altered, taken in a bit here, out a bit there."

    The flack was right. The truth is, nobody ever pays all that much attention to your Pence..uh running mate. Unless your running mate gives speeches with turkeys having their throats cut in the background....and not just a few turkeys either, maybe five or six. That was worst case, and that worst case was forgotten in about a day. Welcome to the memory unit residents we like to call the American Public.

  41. [41] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale [8],

    Officials said there is no evidence thus far that Mateen, 29, was gay or that his attack was motivated by homophobia.

    No, he wasn't gay. The fact that he was married is all the proof we need to know that he must have been heterosexual; at least it is for people who want to believe that this was only about radical Islam. Of course it wasn't motivated by homophobia! Nor is it anti-Semitic when bald white guys spray paint swastikas on the walls of a building that just happens to be a synagogue, right? His father's first comments were that Mateen had been very upset after seeing two men kissing in Miami the week before it occurred. He chose to hit a gay bar!

    Would you think that if he'd gone to a bar where lots of off-duty police are known to hang out and shot over 100 people that he wasn't targeting the police? Of course you would, but we will lie to ourselves and say that you wouldn't for shats&grins! The police aren't trained to out people, which is the way it should be!

    So since they don't have hard evidence that "proves" he was gay or that this had anything to do with his repressed homosexuality (well, other than the 52 corpses and 50 injured) I'll be the guy who claps for you and tells you that you were right about everything, again! Bravo!

    Of course that can't prove that he wasn't gay or that it wasn't homophobic in nature either, but that's beyond what you need to hear!

  42. [42] 
    Michale wrote:

    Listen,

    Yeah, Michale, he really did!

    No he didn't..

    What were his exact words?

    Michale

  43. [43] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Nothing to see here, move along, say the Saudis. That's why it has been kept secret for so long. Because there's no there, there.

    "At this point, what difference does it make!!"
    -Hillary Clinton

    Democrats with 9/11 is no different that what Democrats accuse the GOP of with Benghazi..

    Michale

  44. [44] 
    Michale wrote:

    Of course that can't prove that he wasn't gay or that it wasn't homophobic in nature either, but that's beyond what you need to hear!

    Uh.... My point had nothing to do with the scumbag being gay or not...

    I don't give a rat's ass if he was gay. No one else should either..

    MY point was that ya'all went apeshit crazy saying that this was an attack on the gay community...

    I said at the time that there is no facts or evidence to support the claim that the Pulse was attacked BECAUSE it was a gay club..

    And, as is the norm in these types of discussions, I was proved correct...

    Michale

  45. [45] 
    Michale wrote:

    That's why when you rush to defend and deny it to be the case, I start to wonder if you are just arguing for the sake of arguing!

    Hardly a "rush" to defend anything, except for the facts.. And I didn't "rush" as I just happened to notice the TP... Which is why it was at the end of a long spewage of comments.. :D

    But the fact is, McCarthy was speaking of results and never once, not ONE SINGLE TIME, mentioned ANYTHING to do with intent..

    All there is coming from the Left on this issue is spin.. Trying to contort McCarthy's words into saying something that they clearly did not say...

    Michale

  46. [46] 
    Michale wrote:

    TS,

    Re #39...

    You have been hanging out with JFC again, haven't you?? :^D

    Michale

  47. [47] 
    Michale wrote:

    His father's first comments were that Mateen had been very upset after seeing two men kissing in Miami the week before it occurred. He chose to hit a gay bar!

    And you give credence to that because it's what you WANT to hear...

    I, on the other hand, knowing that the scumbag's father is ALSO a scumbag who is a Taliban sympathizer and radicalized his scumbag son....

    Knowing these FACTS, I put very little credence in what Scumbag Senior says...

    But you don't have to take MY word for it..

    Officials said there is no evidence thus far that Mateen, 29, was gay or that his attack was motivated by homophobia.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/no-evidence-so-far-to-suggest-orlando-shooter-targeted-club-because-it-was-gay/2016/07/14/a7528674-4907-11e6-acbc-4d4870a079da_story.html

    It's just like when the Left Wingery said that the Benghazi attack was just a youtube video protest..

    It's just like the Left Wingery said that Officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown in the back when he was trying to surrender..

    It's just like when the Left Wingery said that Zimmerman stalked and attacked Martin..

    It's nothing but blind ideology talking and has NOTHING to do with the fact

    But hay.... If you want to have the discussion that islamic terrorists are targeting gay clubs, we can HAVE that discussion...

    It would seem contradictory since ya'all are pushing like crazy to bring MORE islamic refugees into this country and ya'all supported Iran to the hilt even though, as a COUNTRY, they execute gay people...

    But if you want to discuss how islamic terrorists are targeting gays, then we can..

    But, to date, there is NO EVIDENCE to support the idea that the Pulse was attacked BECAUSE it was a gay club.. Any more than there is evidence that the San Bernardino attack was because it was a christians at a christmas party...

    Michale

  48. [48] 
    Michale wrote:

    Would you think that if he'd gone to a bar where lots of off-duty police are known to hang out and shot over 100 people that he wasn't targeting the police?

    That's different but not for the reasons you would think...

    I could easily make the case that an attack on a cop bar wasn't even a terrorist attack..

    Michale

  49. [49] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale [42]

    What are you talking about?

    You really can't discuss anything without bringing up your partisan ... whatever.

    I just thought you'd be interested in talking about this but, you know what? ... forget about it!

    Not everything has to do with Democrats and Republicans. Sometime it just has to do with Saudi Arabians. Geesh.

  50. [50] 
    Michale wrote:

    You really can't discuss anything without bringing up your partisan ... whatever.

    Because the push for this IS nothing but partisanship..

    A way for Democrats to tar Bush....

    Not everything has to do with Democrats and Republicans. Sometime it just has to do with Saudi Arabians. Geesh.

    And Benghazi has nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans..

    It's exactly the same...

    Michale

  51. [51] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    Here's something you may not know about me ...

    I'm a policy-type person - not a people person ... well, you know what I mean.

    I like to focus on WHAT people are proposing or not proposing, doing or not doing and not on the people actually doing the proposing or, well, the doing. I hope that is clear as mud.

    So, from now on, I'm not going to get caught up in comment threads that are 300+ comments long because most of the content of those threads bores me to tears.

    I'll comment on Chris's pieces when I can't resist the urge - and, admittedly, I'm terribly weak in that regard - and engage in interesting conversation with you or anyone else.

  52. [52] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    By the way, Michale, I wasn't asking you about the report itself but rather about the Saudi government.

    But, as I said, FORGET ABOUT IT!!!

  53. [53] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I'll find someone else or somewhere else who is interested in interesting conversation topics ...

  54. [54] 
    Michale wrote:

    By the way, Michale, I wasn't asking you about the report itself but rather about the Saudi government.

    As I have said before. I am sure there were some high ups in the Saudi government that might have had something to do with 9/11...

    Just as I am sure there are some high ups in the US government that had something to do with Benghazi..

    But there is NO EVIDENCE to support the accusation that the Saudi Government itself has a hand in 9/11...

    The Democrats pushing the release of these documents is as much as a witch hunt as the Democrats accuse the GOP of over Benghazi..

    THAT is why I can't get excited about these so-called "revelations".. It's nothing but same ol same ol partisan political Party BS..

    Michale

  55. [55] 
    John M wrote:

    Michale wrote:

    "He did nothing of the sort...

    But why let FACTS get in the way of political spin..."

    Except that he IN FACT DID:

    Quoting Kevin McCarthy directly himself from what he said to FOX News: “Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable right? But we put together a Benghazi Special Committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping," McCarthy said. "Why? Cause she’s untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened had we not fought and made that happen.”

    But why let bias and partisanship get in the way of what people actually said....

  56. [56] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    The really interesting part of this is the US-Saudi relationship back then, now, and going forward.

    I can talk about this without even thinking about Democrat or Republican. Can you?

  57. [57] 
    John M wrote:

    Michale wrote:

    "I said at the time that there is no facts or evidence to support the claim that the Pulse was attacked BECAUSE it was a gay club..

    And, as is the norm in these types of discussions, I was proved correct..."

    ACTUALLY, you have been PROVEN WRONG numerous times about that, but for some reason you seem to keep being in denial about the whole thing. Especially when both Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan have both said it was an anti-gay attack. I can once again give you the direct quotes of both if you really need to read them once more.

  58. [58] 
    John M wrote:

    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    "The really interesting part of this is the US-Saudi relationship back then, now, and going forward."

    I sometimes wonder what would have happened if Bush, instead of invading and overthrowing the government of Iraq, had invaded and overthrown the government of Saudi Arabia instead. I guess Saudi Arabia would have been too much of a hornet's nest to touch no matter what? And Iraq was just (supposed to be) easy low hanging fruit?

    Plus, there were all those rumors at the time of Bush actually helping to get sensitive Saudi officials and family members safely out of the country...

  59. [59] 
    Michale wrote:

    Except that he IN FACT DID:

    No, he didn't..

    He stated the RESULTS of their actions..

    He said NOTHING about intent..

    It's all just spin...

    It's like when ya'all called Bush a terrorist because innocent civilians died because of the drone strikes..

    Those deaths weren't the INTENT, so it wasn't terrorism...

    Michale

  60. [60] 
    Michale wrote:

    I sometimes wonder what would have happened if Bush, instead of invading and overthrowing the government of Iraq, had invaded and overthrown the government of Saudi Arabia instead. I guess Saudi Arabia would have been too much of a hornet's nest to touch no matter what? And Iraq was just (supposed to be) easy low hanging fruit?

    Plus, there were all those rumors at the time of Bush actually helping to get sensitive Saudi officials and family members safely out of the country...

    See what I mean, Liz???

    It's ALL about attacking Bush... It's *ALL* about Democrats and Republicans..

    The 9-11/Saudi issue is NO different than what ya'all accuse the GOP of over Benghazi..

    Michale

  61. [61] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    The really interesting part of this is the US-Saudi relationship back then, now, and going forward.

    The one sole factor that will determine the US/Saudi relationship going forward is Iran... This 9/11 crap will have ZERO influence on that...

    And you have made it clear where you stand on Iran, ergo no serious discussion is possible..

    Michale

  62. [62] 
    Michale wrote:

    ACTUALLY, you have been PROVEN WRONG numerous times about that, but for some reason you seem to keep being in denial about the whole thing.

    I have the FBI report...

    You have...??? What do you have again??

    Oh, you have Rubio and Ryan..

    Funny how their word is gospel... WHEN it agrees with what you think...

    Officials said there is no evidence thus far that Mateen, 29, was gay or that his attack was motivated by homophobia.

    There it is in black and white.. Ya'all were wrong..

    I was right...

    Michale

  63. [63] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    But, as I told Listen....

    If you WANT to have the discussion about islam terrorists targeting gays, I would be ECSTATIC to have that discussion...

    But we simply cannot have the discussion that the Orlando scumbag targeted gays, because there is simply NO FACTS to support it..

    Michale

  64. [64] 
    Michale wrote:

    Sources say two Baton Rouge Police officers and one East Baton Rouge Sheriff's Office deputy are dead following the shooting. Another officer was critically injured.
    http://www.wbrz.com/news/3-officers-dead-after-shooting-near-brpd-hq

    Don't tell me... Let me guess..

    We should wait for ALL the facts, right :^/

    Michale

  65. [65] 
    Michale wrote:

    Looks like 11+ cops shot... 3 are dead...

    Michale

  66. [66] 
    Michale wrote:

    Scratch that.. 7 cops shot, including the 3 dead.. 2 officers an SO deputy....

    Michale

  67. [67] 
    Michale wrote:

    (O)BLM strikes again...

    More dead cops.. :^/

    Michale

  68. [68] 
    Michale wrote:

    The president of the Untied States validated a false narrative and the nonsense that Black Lives Matter and the Media are pressing out there to the public — He validated with his very divisive statements And now we see an escalation.

    This has got to end.

    We need some leadership in this country to come forward and put an end to this.

    I don’t care if it’s clergy or who it is but somebody has to step up and put an end to this. It’s false narrative and people politicizing the false narrative that we have a President of the United States and the governor of Minnesota making a statement less than one day after the police involved shootings.

    Those police involved shootings are what absolutely has triggered in rash of senseless murders of law enforcement officers across the country. It is reprehensible.

    The president has blood on his hands and it will not be able to come washed off...

    How the hell did we ever become the bad guys in this country? I can not imagine how we got here. It is the irresponsible reporting of the media and irresponsible statements from people who are credible - like the president, like celebrities."
    -Detective Steve Loomis
    PRESIDENT OF CLEVELAND POLICE PATROLMEN'S ASSOCIATION

    Yep......

    Michale

  69. [69] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    (O)BLM strikes again...More dead cops.. :^/

    That comment is despicable. Shame on you.

  70. [70] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    No wonder the Cleveland Police department is under a Justice Department Order to clean up its act. Looks like it can start with the President of the Police Patrolmen's Association (is that different from the FOP? Is that the Union for the Cleveland Police, or is that some other organization?)

    Let me remind the Detective how he 'got here': a little boy was shot by Police while playing in his front yard. The responding Officer made no attempt to discover who he was or what he was doing before discharging his firearm. Period.

  71. [71] 
    Michale wrote:

    Videos on Long’s account show that he was a former Nation of Islam member. He also railed against “crackers” and made references to Alton Sterling, the black man killed by police in Baton Rouge on July 5.
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/17/baton-rouge-shooter-gavin-eugene-long-was-nation-of-islam-member-railed-against-crackers-on-youtube-channel-video/#ixzz4Ei4lGTwR

    Shocking!!!!!
    {/sarcasm}

    Funny how the Left Wingery went all ape-shit crazy over Dylan Root when he attacked a church of black people..

    But now we have two black radical activists attacking and murdering white cops???? Both are BLATANTLY racist...

    {{chiirrrrppppp}} {{chirrrrpp}}

    The silence from the Left Wingery is deafening...

    Funny, iddn't it.. In a sad sort of way........

    Michale

  72. [72] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Let me be clear (I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'm sure most others on the left agree):

    Racism is wrong, regardless of the source.

    Racists are wrong, and stupid.

  73. [73] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    And of course, Poor Donald isn't a racist, he just says things that would lead one to the conclusion that he's either a racist or has no idea what he's talking about. Remarkably, it seems many of his loyal followers would prefer the former.

  74. [74] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    That comment is despicable. Shame on you.

    More despicable still is that comment, and so many others like it, brings shame to http://www.chrisweigant.com

  75. [75] 
    neilm wrote:

    That comment is despicable. Shame on you.

    Sadly you are wasting your time. Shame is a lever than works on grown up minds, not Trump-like schoolyard clowns. Pearls before swine, and all that.

    Three innocent Cops and their families and friends are paying the price for the hatred generated by people like Trump on both sides of the political and racial divides they have created with their invective against "groups" (Blacks, Cops, Muslims, Gays, Rednecks, etc.).

    How anybody could support somebody like Trump who is igniting such hatred is beyond me, but as Adidas point out, "There will be haters". Three Cops are paying the price.

  76. [76] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    And you have made it clear where you stand on Iran, ergo no serious discussion is possible..

    Well, I fully support the JCPOA and increased engagement between Iran and the US to ensure that Iran never develops nuclear weapons.

    Below is a link to a letter - signed by many serious people - to President Obama on the one year anniversary of the Iran nuclear deal urging him to put in place polices to further engage with Iran.

    I think this stand is more than worthy of serious discussion.

    http://static.politico.com/e3/61/a77fc0e246dfa908c60d049455ec/theiranproject-lettertothepresident-071116-final.pdf

  77. [77] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    By the way,

    I am sure that I can speak for everyone here when I say that we wholeheartedly support all police officers who bravely and professionally carry out their duties to serve and protect all of us and we extend our heartfelt thanks for their service to our communities.

    And, we are heartsick over the recent and senseless police shootings and our thoughts and prayers go out to the entire law enforcement community and especially to the families who lost loved ones in the line of duty. Period. No ifs, ands or buts.

  78. [78] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    I just watched a video of two protests on opposite sides of the street ... in Dallas, I think ... and one side was Black Lives Matter (mostly black) and the other was All Lives Matter (mostly white) ... somehow the BLM side ended up walking across the street to the ALM side and they all started hugging each other!

    It brought tears to my eyes and I'm retiring with a smile of hope on my sunburned face ... :)

  79. [79] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    Here's the link to this wonderful video...

    http://www.wlgkradio.com/archives/3203

  80. [80] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Neil,

    Sadly you are wasting your time.

    I've wasted more than my fair share of time but, in this case, I don't think so ...

  81. [81] 
    Michale wrote:

    Racism is wrong, regardless of the source.

    Racists are wrong, and stupid.

    And yet, you only espouse that when the racism is against black people.

    You have to be cajoled and harassed to express that when the racism is against white people.

    Why is that??

    Michale

  82. [82] 
    Michale wrote:

    And of course, Poor Donald isn't a racist, he just says things that would lead one to the conclusion that he's either a racist or has no idea what he's talking about.

    For example??

    Michale

  83. [83] 
    Michale wrote:

    Three innocent Cops and their families and friends are paying the price for the hatred generated by people like Trump on both sides of the political and racial divides they have created with their invective against "groups" (Blacks, Cops, Muslims, Gays, Rednecks, etc.).

    Now THAT is rich...

    Cops are being gunned down by the dozens.. Trump supporters are being attacked and brutally beaten.

    And it's ALL Trump's fault!???

    Are you frakin' kidding me!!???

    How anybody could support somebody like Trump who is igniting such hatred is beyond me, but as Adidas point out, "There will be haters". Three Cops are paying the price.

    Yes, there will be haters..

    But, in the here and now, ALL the hate is coming from the Left Wingery....

    And the 8 cops have been the target of that hate and they paid for it with their lives...

    Michale

  84. [84] 
    Michale wrote:

    I am sure that I can speak for everyone here when I say that we wholeheartedly support all police officers who bravely and professionally carry out their duties to serve and protect all of us and we extend our heartfelt thanks for their service to our communities.

    And, we are heartsick over the recent and senseless police shootings and our thoughts and prayers go out to the entire law enforcement community and especially to the families who lost loved ones in the line of duty. Period. No ifs, ands or buts.

    It would be nice to see such expression BEFORE cops are gunned down in the street like animals, no??

    I would be nice to see such expression when cops have to do the unspeakable thing of taking a life and fully justified to do so.. Instead of being attacked and vilified and called names.... No??

    It's easy to say how much you support police officers when they are killed and when the whole country is standing behind cops..

    It's MUCH harder to stand behind police officers when your entire partisan Party is denigrating and demonizing cops...

    Ya'all's support NOW means nothing..

    Ya'all's support THEN would have meant everything...

    Michale

  85. [85] 
    Michale wrote:

    Let me remind the Detective how he 'got here': a little boy was shot by Police while playing in his front yard.

    Of course, if that were the facts then you MIGHT have a case..

    But those AREN'T so you don't...

    Michale

  86. [86] 
    Michale wrote:

    (O)BLM strikes again...More dead cops.. :^/

    That comment is despicable. Shame on you.

    No more despicable than ya'all screaming "RACISM!!!" at a cop when he shoots a black person..

    It's annoying when someone spouts off ignorant inanities at the drop of a dime with absolutely NO FACTS to back them up, iddn't it...

    Now you know how I feel when I read all ya'all's ignorant BS comments about cops....

    Welcome to my world, sonny jim...

    Michale

  87. [87] 
    Michale wrote:

    More despicable still is that comment, and so many others like it, brings shame to http://www.chrisweigant.com

    Yes... Comments like "Cops are racist" and "those cops did nothing right" and other shameful comments like that...

    My comment was made, not because it was what I believe, but rather to prove a point...

    Ya'all's comments were (and are) made because it's actually what ya'all believe..

    Comments like cops are being gunned down by the dozens by black people and it's ALL Trump's fault...

    Comments like that makes it even more shameful because ya'all actually BELIEVE them....

    Michale

  88. [88] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's a very simple point..

    When our leaders go on and on about how cops are racist and how cops are shooting black people with no cause and no justification and when those same leaders stand silently while a racist hate group parades around with slogans like, "What do we want!?? DEAD COPS!! When do we want them!!?? NOW!!!!" and "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon!!" and garbage like that...

    Well, there are those in the black community who will take that as tacit approval to ambush and kill cops...

    20 cops ambushed and gunned down in less than two weeks...

    Congrats... Welcome to the world that the Democrat Party has created....

    Michale

  89. [89] 
    Michale wrote:

    I tell you, it's heart breaking to see police officers having to go through this again in another city.

    The fact is that there is a war on the police and it has started, and the fact is that we have a narrative out there that is -- that helps promote this type of things from occurring. You know, we had the shooting with Sterling in Baton Rouge, we don't know the circumstances. That investigation has not ended yet.

    That suspect was armed and still apparently there are a lot of people that think what the police officers did there was criminal. And that narrative out there makes people like this man who shot these three police officers very, very mad, even though it is a false narrative, and we have police officers that are being attacked because of that.
    -Harry Houck, CNN

    Yep.....

    When it comes to cops shooting a black person, no one here (NEN) cares about any stinkin' facts..

    It's racism, SOLELY based on the fact that the subject was black...

    Doesn't matter if the facts show it was a completely justified shooting... Doesn't matter that the scumbag was armed... Doesn't matter if the thug was a scumbag from way back...

    ALL that matters is that the subject was a black person... That's it... The color of his skin (black) is ALL ya'all need to "know" that he was a good and gentle soul and the color of the cop's skin (blue) is ALL ya'all need to know to "know" that they are an evil incompetent racist...

    Dr Martin Luther King wanted to live in a world where a person was judged by their character, not the color of their skin...

    Ya'all want to talk about being ashamed of one's self???

    Look in a mirror...

    Michale

  90. [90] 
    Michale wrote:

    Since 2000, 149 people have died at the hands of police. To date no officer charged in any of those deaths Read This
    -Scumbag Baton Rouge cop killer

    I assume this scumbag means 149 black people...

    Let's do the math.. That comes out to about 9 people a year...

    Based on FBI statistics and extrapolations, in that same 16 year period, 18,000 black people were killed by other black people...

    Doing the math again, that comes out to approx 1100 black people a year...

    So.....

    On the one hand, we have 9 black people killed by cops, 99% of which are justified killings.

    On the other hand, we have 1100 black people killed by other black people.....

    Now, I ask that ya'all forget ideology for a second and look at these facts with the cold eye of logic and objectivity...

    When it comes to black lives mattering, where is the obviously bigger problem??

    Michale

  91. [91] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    If Chris doesn't do something about your hate-filled comments here, I predict he's going to have to shut down his blog before too long. Before 4pm today it may be appropriate to shut things down here for maintenance for at least the next couple of weeks.

    You are just trying to be divisive when President Obama and all good-hearted people are calling for compassion and unity. And, I for one, don't understand why you have to be this way.

  92. [92] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    My comment was made, not because it was what I believe, but rather to prove a point...

    If that's the case, then try to find another way to prove your point that doesn't use hatred toward your fellow citizens of the world.

  93. [93] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Ya'all's support NOW means nothing..

    Have a nice life, Michale.

  94. [94] 
    Michale wrote:

    If that's the case, then try to find another way to prove your point that doesn't use hatred toward your fellow citizens of the world.

    I could ask ya'all the same...

    You are just trying to be divisive when President Obama and all good-hearted people are calling for compassion and unity.

    Oh what a crock of shit... Obama and the other "good-hearted people" are the ones who are CAUSING the divisiveness..

    Where was Obama and all these "good-hearted people" when Officer Darren Wilson was being falsely accused, demonized and threatened??

    Where was Obama and all these "good-hearted people" when George Zimmerman was being falsely accused, demonized and threatened??

    Where was Obama and all these "good-hearted people" when Officer Panteleno was being falsely accused, demonized and threatened??

    Where was Obama and all these "good-hearted people" when (O)BLM was advocating the murder of police officers??

    I'll tell you where they were..

    "THEY WERE SILENT!!!"

    So, please.. Don't feed me that old politically correct BS line about how Obama and these "good-hearted people" are not being divisive...

    The time for you and Obama and these "good-hearted people" to stand for what is right is LONG past...

    Now you and Obama and these "good-hearted people" will reap what ya'all have sown....

    Michale

  95. [95] 
    Michale wrote:

    Cops are now dead because you and Neil and TS and JFC and Balthasar and GT and Obama and everyone else did not speak out when it MATTERED.....

    Now it doesn't matter and ya'all's words of sympathy are hollow and self-serving and nothing but political correctness...

    Michale

  96. [96] 
    Michale wrote:

    Have a nice life, Michale.

    I will..

    But BRENT THOMPSON won't have a nice life because Obama and the Democrats sided with his killers...

    PATRICK ZAMARRIPA won't have a nice life because he was gunned down by a racist who hated white people.. Obama and the Democrat Party were silent..

    MICHAEL KROL also won't have a nice life because Obama and the Democrat Party felt it was more important to be politically correct and support the racist hate group that wanted Krol dead...

    MICHAEL SMITH won't have a nice life either because the leadership of the Democrat Party failed him...

    LORNE AHRENS also won't have a nice life because Democrats felt it was more important to appease a racist hate group to get their votes..

    All these cops and 15 more in the last two weeks won't have a nice life because they were brutally ambushed and attacked... And they were attacked because our so-called leaders felt it was more important to kow-tow for votes rather than do the right thing..

    I WILL have a nice life..

    They won't...

    And it's all because of Obama and the Demcorat Party...

    Michale

  97. [97] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Liz [90]

    I predict he's going to have to shut down his blog before too long. Before 4pm today it may be appropriate to shut things down here for maintenance for at least the next couple of weeks.

    Sorry, Chris ... I shouldn't have said 'the blog' but rather just the comments.

  98. [98] 
    neilm wrote:

    And, I for one, don't understand why you have to be this way.

    Just do what I, and I suspect many others do, and just completely ignore all his comments. He'll go away when he realizes he is talking to himself. This isn't a right wing viewpoint, this is provocative nonsense designed to annoy, not inform. If you want a slightly more adult viewpoint from the right, read National Review, at least the writers have some internal consistency, even if I think their fundamental grasp of reality is flawed.

  99. [99] 
    neilm wrote:

    And, I for one, don't understand why you have to be this way.

    Just do what I, and I suspect many others do, and just completely ignore all his comments. He'll go away when he realizes he is talking to himself. This isn't a right wing viewpoint, this is provocative drivel designed to annoy, not inform. If you want a slightly more adult viewpoint from the right, read National Review, at least the writers have some internal consistency, even if I think their fundamental grasp of reality is flawed.

  100. [100] 
    neilm wrote:

    And, I for one, don't understand why you have to be this way.

    Just do what I, and I suspect many others do, and just completely ignore all his comments. He'll go away when he realizes he is talking to himself. This isn't a right wing viewpoint, this is provocative drivel designed to annoy, not inform. If you want a slightly more adult viewpoint from the right, read NRO, at least the writers have some internal consistency, even if I think their fundamental grasp of reality is flawed.

  101. [101] 
    Michale wrote:

    You are just trying to be divisive when President Obama and all good-hearted people are calling for compassion and unity. And, I for one, don't understand why you have to be this way.

    Three innocent Cops and their families and friends are paying the price for the hatred generated by people like Trump on both sides of the political and racial divides they have created with their invective against "groups" (Blacks, Cops, Muslims, Gays, Rednecks, etc.).
    -Neal

    Do you understand now???

    If you don't, then you never will....

    Because if you don't understand, then it's clear that your ideology is the number one, the ONLY priority....

    Michale

  102. [102] 
    neilm wrote:

    Interesting - I had to change "N@tion@l Review" to NRO to get the last comment past the Nanny Filter.

  103. [103] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Sorry, Neil ... the last thing I need is more flawed grasps of reality. :)

  104. [104] 
    neilm wrote:

    Interesting - I had to change "N------l R----w" to NRO to get the last comment past the Nanny Filter.

  105. [105] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    That's okay ... I don't know the difference. There is only one other blog I comment at: Matters of Principle, Senator Gary Hart's blog. But, that is not exactly a place for down to earth debate. :)

  106. [106] 
    neilm wrote:

    The Republican Diversity Program "before" picture.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BH7pXnKj5t_/

    Sadly it is from yesterday, so it is also the "after" picture.

  107. [107] 
    neilm wrote:

    If you haven't seen it, catch Steven Colbert's opening of the Republican Convention - make sure you catch his one liner as security hustles him off stage:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diaCHYO7haY&feature=youtu.be

  108. [108] 
    neilm wrote:

    Best comment on the Ryan selfie:

    illynabilly: It's like playing Where's Waldo on expert level

    I know it is early, but "illynabilly" wins the Internet today.

  109. [109] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    neilm [104]: got a good laugh out of that one!

  110. [110] 
    Michale wrote:

    Obama: Police Can 'Make the Job of Being a Cop a Lot Safer' by Admitting Their Failures
    http://www.mrctv.org/blog/obama-police-can-make-job-being-cop-lot-safer-admitting-their-failures

    And Hussein Odumbo just threw every cop in this country under the bus...

    Over 20 cops have ambushed and brutally attacked and Obama is saying that it's all their fault because they won't admit their "failures"....

    I cannot begin to describe how angry I am right now. Words cannot express....

    But at least with this latest despicable act of Odumbo's it will guarantee a Trump presidency...

    Michale

  111. [111] 
    Michale wrote:

    Just do what I, and I suspect many others do, and just completely ignore all his comments. He'll go away when he realizes he is talking to himself.

    Yea, people have been trying it for over 10 years now..

    Guess what??

    They ALL are gone and I am still here...

    Michale

  112. [112] 
    Michale wrote:

    How to handle ignorant Left Wingers...

    https://youtu.be/4JxeZDHd7wk

    Michale

  113. [113] 
    Michale wrote:

    This isn't a right wing viewpoint, this is provocative drivel designed to annoy, not inform.

    You're absolutely right. It's NOT right wing viewpoint.. I have been saying that ALL along and it's great to see that you finally admit it.

    It's COMMON SENSE viewpoint..

    It's morally correct view point...

    Unlike ya'all's...

    Ya'all preach about inclusiveness and tolerance and "good hearts"... When cops are gunned down by black activists....

    But when a cop justifiably kills a black person??

    Where's your "inclusiveness" then?? Where is your "good heart" then??? Where is your "tolerance" then??

    It's out the window.... THEN it's all about attacking and demonizing....

    THEN it's about about how cops acted stupidly, how cops are incompetent, how cops are racist...

    And what is so frustrating is that ya'all are so blatant about it...

    You don't even recognize how full of shit ya'all(NEN) actually are..

    But, that's OK.. Go ahead and ignore all the facts that I have put out... That simply proves my point better than anything else...

    Ya'all are all about partisan ideology... Nothing else matters...

    And I'll be around to remind ya'all of that...

    Michale

  114. [114] 
    Michale wrote:

    Baltimore Circuit Court Judge Barry Williams has ruled that Lt. Brian Rice, the highest-ranking Baltimore City Police officer facing charges in connection to the death of 25-year-old Freddie Gray, is not guilty of all the charges he faced — involuntary manslaughter, reckless endangerment and misconduct in office.
    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/07/18/baltimore-officer-learns-fate-in-gray-case/

    Once again.. Ya'all demonized and attack a cop...

    The facts were as clear at the time as they are now...

    NOT GUILTY....

    Ya'all were wrong.. **AGAIN**

    I was right... AGAIN......

    Michale

  115. [115] 
    Michale wrote:

    I have always said that this election is an ESTABLISHMENT vs ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT election..

    And this holds true today as it was the first time I said it..

    But now we have a new dimension...

    Trump is the Law & Order candidate...

    Crooked Hillary is the Only Black Lives Matter candidate....

    Trump is the cops' candidate...

    Crooked Hillary is the racist hate group candidate...

    Everything that is happening in this country today plays to Trump's strengths and emphasizes Crooked Hillary's weaknesses....

    Ya'all can ignore the facts all ya want...

    But that won't change reality one iota...

    Michale

  116. [116] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ya'all are actually quite lucky...

    Normally, MONDAYs are my day off.. I'de be able to post all day....

    But I switched that to TUESDAY... Maybe tomorrow, I'll be a little more calm....

    No, I doubt it....

    Michale

  117. [117] 
    John M wrote:

    Tony Schwartz was the ghostwriter for Trump's book "The Art Of The Deal." He spent 18 months with Trump in order to write the book, for which he received a byline, half the book's advance, and half the royalties.

    From an article in The New Yorker:

    This is what Mr. Schwartz has to say about Trump, directly quoting him:

    “Trump didn’t fit any model of human being I’d ever met. He was obsessed with publicity, and he didn’t care what you wrote. Trump only takes two positions. Either you’re a scummy loser, liar, whatever, or you’re the greatest."

    “Trump has been written about a thousand ways from Sunday, but this fundamental aspect of who he is doesn’t seem to be fully understood. And that is that it’s impossible to keep him focused on any topic, other than his own self-aggrandizement, for more than a few minutes."

    "People are dispensable and disposable in Trump’s world. If Trump is elected President, the millions of people who voted for him and believe that he represents their interests will learn what anyone who deals closely with him already knows—that he couldn’t care less about them.”

    Trump is a saint while Hillary is a crook? Trump is for law and order, cops, and is going to make America great again?

  118. [118] 
    Michale wrote:

    Balthasar,

    a little boy was shot by Police while playing in his front yard.

    I have to call BULLSHIT on this.. There was absolutely NO INSTANCE of police shooting a little boy while he was playing in his yard...

    NONE... ZERO.... ZILCH...... NADA......

    Your "facts", per the norm, are non-existent...

    Oh wait. You must be referring to the 3yr old that was shot and paralyzed for life on Father's Day.. No, you can't be referring to that because he was shot by a black person..

    Oh, maybe you mean the 5yr old girl, the 11yr old boy and the 7yr old boy that were all shot on the 4th of July... No, you can't mean them, because there were also shot by a black person...

    Oh wait. There was little Le’Vonte King Jason, a 2 yr old who was shot and killed and his 15-month old sister was wounded.. Oh wait.. They were shot and killed by a black person two days after Castile was shot..

    Isn't it funny how you don't give a flying frak about any of THOSE killings and shootings?? You don't give a rats ass about THOSE killings and shootings because you are all about your ideology and those killings and those shootings don't fit your ideology...

    I wonder if ya'all could possibly comprehend how pathetically transparent ya'all's political bigotry is...

    If a cop doesn't shoot and/or kill a black person, you don't give a rat's ass about it... Or them....

    That's just sad.....

    So much for "good hearts" eh?? :^/

    Michale

  119. [119] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump is a saint while Hillary is a crook? Trump is for law and order, cops, and is going to make America great again?

    No one has said that Trump is a saint, but it's a bona-fide fact that Hillary is a crook..

    Trump IS for law and order and Crooked Hillary IS for racist hate groups that kill cops..

    That is why Trump is going to win and Hillary is going to lose..

    Michale

  120. [120] 
    Michale wrote:

    Just do what I, and I suspect many others do, and just completely ignore all his comments. He'll go away when he realizes he is talking to himself.

    What's really hilarious is that ya'all have the power to make me go away permanently...

    But ya'all don't have the cajones to do it.. Which is why Neal is "ignoring" me now.. He can't help but talk ABOUT me, but he is "ignoring" me.... :D

    He got his ass whipped in a debate on the facts and now he just makes run-by sniping comments and then runs away and hides.. :D

    Anyways, it's easy to get me to leave. Simply counter my facts with facts of your own. If I lose debates often enough, I can promise you I won't stick around.

    But ya'all can't do that because ya'all don't HAVE the facts to counter my facts.. Balthasar's "little boy playing in his yard" is a perfect example.. Ya'all spout bullshit so often that ya'all actually BELIEVE it...

    Nope, the only way to get me to leave is to defeat me with facts, not ideological bullshit..

    Good luck with that.. :D

    Michale

  121. [121] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Anyways, it's easy to get me to leave. Simply counter my facts with facts of your own. If I lose debates often enough, I can promise you I won't stick around.

    That's not a good reason to leave. But, it does clarify why you are here.

  122. [122] 
    Michale wrote:

    That's not a good reason to leave.

    Maybe not, but it works for me.. I don't have time to stick around a place where I always lose...

    But, it does clarify why you are here.

    Yep, intellectual stimulation... Matching my wits against other people's wits...

    But, frankly when it comes to police issues, ya'all come to the match unarmed.. :(

    Michale

  123. [123] 
    Paula wrote:

    [35] Balthasar: Kudos!! The walrus and the carpenter…

    [39] TheStig: Bravo!

    [90] Elizabeth Miller: Michale is, first and foremost, a liberal baiter. Once in awhile he forgets that and joins humanity and it's easy to think he's salvageable and waste time on him. He really is like the batterer who beats his wife, then apologizes profusely and swears he won't do it again. His urge to upset non-righties will always trump any nascent effort towards reason.

    Speaking for all LEFTWINGERY, I'm tired of him.

    [97] neilm: Yep!

  124. [124] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    This isn't about winning and losing and party ideology.

    It's about having an ongoing civil discussion about difficult subject matters, finding common ground and solutions.

  125. [125] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's about having an ongoing civil discussion about difficult subject matters, finding common ground and solutions.

    But we can't do that unless YOU admit you are wrong...

    We can't have civil discussions when ya'all INSIST on permeating the myth that cops are racist...

    Until you can concede the hatred and bigotry of YOUR OWN ideology, there can be no civil discussions...

    It's that simple...

    Michale

  126. [126] 
    Michale wrote:

    Speaking for all LEFTWINGERY, I'm tired of him.

    Of course you are..

    Because the FACTS hurt.....

    Michale

  127. [127] 
    Michale wrote:

    He really is like the batterer who beats his wife, then apologizes profusely and swears he won't do it again.

    Wow... Well, I am glad we aren't getting personal...

    When you have 35+ years of marriage to the same beautiful spouse, then... and ONLY then, will you have the knowledge to criticize....

    But, until then, you are speaking from COMPLETE ignorance....

    What a shocker... :^/

    Michale

  128. [128] 
    Michale wrote:

    *I* have nothing to apologize for..

    Ya'all, on the other hand, have TONS to apologize for to the over 1 million cops in this country that put their lives on the line each and every minute of each and every day so that YOU can be safe and continue to spit on them...

    Michale...

  129. [129] 
    Michale wrote:

    The default position for ALL of you (sans one) is that, when a cop shoots and/or kills a black person, the cop is racist..

    THAT is what ya'all have to apologize for..

    THAT is what ya'all have to admit ya'all are wrong about..

    Before that happens, no amount of civil discussion is possible...

    Michale

  130. [130] 
    Michale wrote:

    "American cops will be safer if they just admit that everything is their fault"
    -Hussein Odumbo...

    So, basically cops admit guilt for everything and black activists will stop killing cops..

    And THAT is what ya'all are buying into???

    Holy crap!!! What a topsy turvy world this has become....

    Michale

  131. [131] 
    Michale wrote:

    "We must avoid divisive rhetoric.."
    -Hussein Odumbo, 2016

    "If they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun?"
    -Hussein Odumbo, 2008

    Unless, of course, it's to get Hussein Odumbo elected.. :^/

    Michale

  132. [132] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    The default position for ALL of you (sans one) is that, when a cop shoots and/or kills a black person, the cop is racist..

    You know that is not true, Michale.

    Or, you have just confused an extreme and all-inclusive claim of racism (which no one here is guilty of) with an apparent rush to shoot on the part of some members of law enforcement, regardless of whether the shoot was deemed to be justified or not.

    What I'm talking about is how can officers better handle some situations which might have a better outcome than the death of the subject.

    You'll notice that I made no reference to race. Because, in the case of OIS, I'm more interested in the circumstances of these cases without regard to the race of the officer or that of the subject on the receiving end of police use of lethal force.

    If there is something that can be done to reduce the number of OIS (regardless of how justified they might or might not be), then I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to delve into that discussion, if only for the sake of the mental well-being of the officer(s) involved in shootings.

  133. [133] 
    Michale wrote:

    https://twitter.com/ConvosWithCosmo

    Yea... THAT's what ya'all identify with... :^/

    Holy crap....

    Michale

  134. [134] 
    Michale wrote:

    You know that is not true, Michale.

    I know that it IS true. Because I read it here every time there is a cop shooting of a black subject...

    What I'm talking about is how can officers better handle some situations which might have a better outcome than the death of the subject.

    Can you admit that a police officer can do EVERYTHING right and there STILL be the death of a subject???

    If you can't, then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution...

    You'll notice that I made no reference to race. Because, in the case of OIS, I'm more interested in the circumstances of these cases without regard to the race of the officer or that of the subject on the receiving end of police use of lethal force

    Bull shit... If this were true, then you could point to ONE instance where you questioned the actions of a police officer and the subject was not black..

    I don't mean to pick on you personally.. Everyone else here (NEN) is guilty of the exact same thing..

    Ya'all ONLY question a cop's actions when the subject is black..

    This is fact....

    If there is something that can be done to reduce the number of OIS (regardless of how justified they might or might not be), then I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to delve into that discussion, if only for the sake of the mental well-being of the officer(s) involved in shootings.

    The VERY first thing that must be done is to stop blaming the officer first before the facts are known......

    Until ya'all can do that, ya'all are part of the problem..

    NOT part of the solution...

    I can document each and every time ya'all blamed the cop where no blame was warranted...

    Michale

  135. [135] 
    Michale wrote:

    The problem is ya'all mistake 20/20 hindsight with normal day to day reactions...

    ANYONE can find something on a playback... as they say in Sonar school...

    Michale

  136. [136] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Can you admit that a police officer can do EVERYTHING right and there STILL be the death of a subject???

    Absolutely, positively, unequivocally.

  137. [137] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    The VERY first thing that must be done is to stop blaming the officer first before the facts are known......

    More than fair enough! I think we have all been guilty of rendering judgement before all of the facts are known.

  138. [138] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK... Now we're getting some where...

    Now, let's calmly and rationally examine the facts of the MN and the LA shootings...

    In the MN shooting, the subject stated that he was armed as he was reaching under his shirt...

    Can you see why a police officer might react as he did??

    In the MN shooting, two cops tasered an armed individual who continued to fight and was unable to be controlled by two officers.. The armed subject fought with the cops and was trying to pull a gun out of his pocket...

    Can you see why an officer might react as he did???

    Michale

  139. [139] 
    Michale wrote:

    Paula,

    He really is like the batterer who beats his wife, then apologizes profusely and swears he won't do it again.

    And your experience with spousal abusers is...??? what exactly???

    Don't tell me, let me guess.. What you see on ARMY WIVES and what you read in romance novels..

    Let me tell you my experience, sunshine..

    I have taken more than a hundred wife beaters/spousal abusers to jail. More often than not, they had to be taken to the ground, violently, cuffed and stuffed. I was forced to shoot and kill one...

    And you have the unmitigated (AND IGNORANT) audacity to compare me to one???

    You really should wake up and smell what you are shoveling???

    I know what I know because I have been there and done that.. You post what you THINK because you read it in some Left Wingery rag....

    "I'de be more inclined to accept your opinion if it was based on some practical experience."
    -THE PARK IS MINE

    Go along on an inner city ride along.. See first hand what the cops you attack and denigrate and demonize go thru on a DAILY basis...

    Until you do, you are just spouting off ignorant ideological bullshit...

    Michale

  140. [140] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Now, let's calmly and rationally examine the facts of the MN and the LA shootings...

    Let's wait until we have them first.

    Can you see how the officers involved might have resorted to actions that kept all of them safe AND kept the subjects alive?

  141. [141] 
    Michale wrote:

    Read 'em and weep, people..

    Donald Trump has found new support from independent voters, which allowed him to close the gap in a new nationwide poll.

    According to a Monmouth University poll released Monday, Trump leads Hillary Clinton 40-31 among independents, a 9-point lead just a month after the same poll said the two candidates were tied among those voters.
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-surges-among-independent-voters/article/2596818

  142. [142] 
    Michale wrote:

    Let's wait until we have them first.

    We have the facts that allow us to make a reasonable and rational determination.. Just as we had in Sanford, just as we had in Ferguson, just as we had in Staten Island...

    Can you see how the officers involved might have resorted to actions that kept all of them safe AND kept the subjects alive?

    No, I cannot.. And anyone else who has knowledge of the field would not either...

    Without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, ALL decisions made in both instances are reasonable and rational...

    Michale

  143. [143] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    According to a Monmouth University poll released Monday, Trump leads Hillary Clinton 40-31 among independents, a 9-point lead just a month after the same poll said the two candidates were tied among those voters.

    So, he's way down from the 95% high? Heh...

  144. [144] 
    Michale wrote:

    Laugh it up fuzzball...
    -Han Solo

    The fact is, Crooked Hillary's numbers are heading down..

    Which is why you have to ignore the facts and just go with the snide remarks...

    Michale

  145. [145] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    republicans at their own convention are calling each other fascists. well, that's a horse of a different color.

  146. [146] 
    Michale wrote:

    republicans at their own convention are calling each other fascists. well, that's a horse of a different color.

    And when Democrats at their own convention are calling each other racists??

    {{chirrrrpppp}}} {{chirrrrppp}}}

    It will be nothing but cricket city here..

    And so it goes and so it goes...
    -Billy Joel

    :D

  147. [147] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Well, I fully support the JCPOA and increased engagement between Iran and the US to ensure that Iran never develops nuclear weapons.

    AP EXCLUSIVE: CONFIDENTIAL TEXT EASES IRAN NUKE CONSTRAINTS

    VIENNA (AP) -- Key restrictions on Iran's nuclear program imposed under an internationally negotiated deal will start to ease years before the 15-year accord expires, advancing Tehran's ability to build a bomb even before the end the pact, according to a document obtained Monday by The Associated Press.
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAN_NUCLEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-07-18-14-12-14

    You were saying???

    I hate being correct all the time....

    Michale

  148. [148] 
    Michale wrote:

    And now for a police attack closer to home...

    Daytona police car firebombed outside Islamic Center
    Note near vehicle mentions Black Lives Matter group

    http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20160717/daytona-police-car-firebombed-outside-islamic-center

    Don't tell me, let me guess...

    It's all a frame up by Trump and his supporters, right??

    :^/

    Michale

  149. [149] 
    Paula wrote:

    [135] Michale: try, real hard now, to differentiate the literal from the figurative.

  150. [150] 
    Michale wrote:

    [135] Michale: try, real hard now, to differentiate the literal from the figurative.

    OK, so if I say you are acting like a terrorist and I mean it figuratively, it's perfectly acceptable??

    No??

    Didn't think so..

    Michale

  151. [151] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    According to this AP report, what key restrictions will ease after 10 years and how will that impact Iran's ability to make a bomb?

    The answer, when you find it, will surprise you.

  152. [152] 
    Michale wrote:

    According to this AP report, what key restrictions will ease after 10 years and how will that impact Iran's ability to make a bomb?

    It gives Iran a 5 year head start to begin their nuclear weapons program...

    Also, it will allow Iran to start replenishing it's centrifuges with newer hi-tech up to date model centrifuges..

    This will reduce Iran's break-out time from 1 year to less than 6 months...

    It's a crappy deal that does NOTHING to eliminate Iran's Nuclear Weapons program... It merely delays the program and gives the problem to our grandchildren...

    Good call.. :^/

    Michale

  153. [153] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    This will reduce Iran's break-out time from 1 year to less than 6 months...

    ... at the minimum, and actually it would be much longer, practically speaking. And, we're nothing if not practical here. :)

    More than enough time for our Israeli friends to launch a military strike, especially when you consider that Iran is limited to only 300kg of low-enriched uranium for another 14 years.

    Perhaps they'll even get some assistance from Saudi Arabia. Heh.

  154. [154] 
    Paula wrote:

    [146] It would depend on the context.

  155. [155] 
    neilm wrote:

    Well at least Melania is a Democrat. Nice call out to Michelle, but probably upset the Orange one. Maybe she hopes she'll be sent back to Slovenia with a bucket of money and her cute kid (let's hope she changes his name - I mean "Barron" is so desperate).

  156. [156] 
    neilm wrote:

    Best tweet of the convention so far from Michael Crowley:

    "In hindsight it did seem odd when Melania talked about the challenges of being a black woman at Princeton"

    :)

  157. [157] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Can you admit that a police officer can do EVERYTHING right and there STILL be the death of a subject???

    I will if you'll admit that it's analogous to a pilot doing everything right and still crashing the plane.
    That doesn't mean we don't investigate and try to ascertain if there wasn't something he might have done to avoid that outcome. It certainly wouldn't help for the pilot to deny that there was anything he might have done differently. Nor would it help for supporters of pilots to rally around and assert that raising the possibility of pilot error in a crash is an affront to pilots everywhere.
    And nobody would support anyone who said that we should punish a pilot that crashes a plane, unless it were proven that the crash was malicious.

  158. [158] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    ..or negligent.

    Bingo, neilm [152]!

  159. [159] 
    Michale wrote:

    I will if you'll admit that it's analogous to a pilot doing everything right and still crashing the plane.

    OK, so we are agreed...

    A cop could do everything right and it's possible that a subject could STILL be killed..

    That doesn't mean we don't investigate and try to ascertain if there wasn't something he might have done to avoid that outcome.

    And I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with that..

    But ya'all condemn the cop as a racist BEFORE the body is cold..

    And it's funny that NO ONE pushes for "investigation" of a OI shooting when the subject is black..

    Why is that?? You won't answer that question which is all the answer that is needed..

    And nobody would support anyone who said that we should punish a pilot that crashes a plane, unless it were proven that the crash was malicious.

    Bullshit..

    I can refer to TONS of comments here where cops were condemned out of ignorance or before the facts were known..

    And ALL of those hateful comments were made SOLELY because the subject was black...

    Michale

  160. [160] 
    Michale wrote:

    And it's funny that NO ONE pushes for "investigation" of a OI shooting when the subject is black..

    Apologies. I was so gabberflasted at the blatant racism that my fingers didn't talk to my brain..

    That SHOULD read And it's funny that NO ONE pushes for "investigation" of a OI shooting when the subject is NOT black..

    My bust...

    Michale

  161. [161] 
    Michale wrote:

    But hay...

    I am a fair guy.. Show me ONE instance in the last 10 years where a Weigantian called into question the facts of an OI shooting where the subject was not black..

    Just one...

    Hell, I gave you 8 OI shooting/deaths where the subject was white and you said that each and every one of them was justified.. Even though circumstances were very similar to the MN and LA shootings.. Hell, I even listed a case in Fresno that was similar, but the subject was white and ya'all wouldn't even TOUCH it!!

    The facts are clear.. Ya'all ONLY care about an OI shooting if the subject is black...

    On the SILVER LINING header, I guess that DOES indicate that ya'all aren't really anti-cop...

    Ya'all are just anti-cop when the subject is a black person...

    So, I guess that's something ya'all can be proud of...

    I guess.... :^/

    Michale

  162. [162] 
    Michale wrote:

    The president himself has frequently vilified police officers, going back to the beginning of his administration — and most recently, he turned a memorial service for five Dallas police officers into yet another opportunity to focus on police shootings. Members of Congress turned hearings surrounding the Clinton email scandal into a forum to suggest there is endemic racism in the ranks of the police. Reckless statements like these by our leaders can incite individuals to act in unthinkable ways.

    Let's be clear — any needless loss of life is unacceptable. However, a false narrative has been created about police shootings. A subsequent thorough investigation conducted at the behest of President Obama by the FBI and the Justice Department into the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, found no wrongdoing on the part of Police Officer Darren Wilson, who shot Brown. That incident in no small way ignited the Black Lives Matter movement.
    http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/anti-cop-rhetoric-deadly-consequences/

    Yep.....

    Michale

  163. [163] 
    Michale wrote:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/cartoons/images/2016/07/12/lisa_benson_current_cartoon_2016-07-12_5_.jpg

    Remind me again how black lives "matter" to Democrats??

    I seem to have forgotten what with all the facts to the contrary... :^/

    Michale

  164. [164] 
    Michale wrote:

    Germany train axe attack: Afghan teenage refugee shouting 'Allahu Akbar' goes on bloody rampage hacking passengers
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germany-train-axe-attack-afghan-8445784

    Between the attacks in Germany and in France, it's a bona-fide FACT as to what liars the Gun Control fanatics are...

    BAN GUNS!! There won't be any more terrorist attacks if we do!!

    We have seen how well a gun ban works in Chicago...

    Anyone who advocates a gun ban as a means to reduce gun violence is a few fries short of a happy meal... ESPECIALLY as a gun ban pertains to terrorist attacks..

    Michale

  165. [165] 
    Michale wrote:

    Re #157...

    You see my point??

    Silence gives assent...

    Michale

  166. [166] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ya'all notice how we're not hearing from the Hysterical Left Wingery over the MN and LA shootings anymore???

    TPTB have determined that the political climate is no longer optimal for pushing an anti-cop agenda...

    Like I told ya'all.. It's *ALL* about politics and ideology....

    I am proven right once again....

    Michale

  167. [167] 
    Michale wrote:

    Police investigating restaurant that served glass in an officer’s sandwich

    When a police officer bit into a sandwich at a restaurant on Monday he found shards of glass

    His mouth was bleeding and he had to be hospitalized

    It is unclear if the incident was on purpose or accidental, but the restaurant has been temporarily shut down
    Read more here: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/nation-world/national/article90472252.html#storylink=cpy

    Probably was an (O)BLM jackass...

    Oh, wow.. Ya know, I see ya'all's point..

    It *IS* fun to blame someone with a complete and utter absence of facts to support the claim..

    I have been missing out!! Ya'all have shown me a really fun thing...

    Tanx!!! And Planes!!!! :D

    Heh That never gets old.. :D

    Michale

  168. [168] 
    Michale wrote:

    And another cop shot and in critical condition..

    Where is the outpouring of support that would be coming from the Left if it was a black scumbag that was shot by a cop???

    {{chirrrppppp}} {{chirrrpppp}}

    Yea.. That's what I thought....

    Non-existent...

    Michale

  169. [169] 
    Michale wrote:

    Judges and juries keep acquitting the cops that Black Lives Matter call racist

    The repeated exoneration of allegedly racist cops by minority jurors and judges — from Ferguson and Staten Island to Cleveland and now Baltimore — seriously undermines the anti-cop movement started by Black Lives Matter and fueled by President Obama.

    With half the Baltimore cops now acquitted in the death of Freddie Gray, a pattern has emerged where highly publicized cases against cops for racially motivated murder of black suspects have crumbled under the weight of court evidence.
    http://nypost.com/2016/07/19/judges-and-juries-keep-acquitting-the-cops-that-black-lives-matter-call-racist/

    When are you people going to comprehend and acknowledge the facts??

    Michale

  170. [170] 
    echothebat wrote:

    Ok, this isn't original - but funny

    If you keep searching - or check out George Takai's FB post - some have even rendered this logo with a condom on the "T" - LOL....can't take it any more!

    Reminds me of the merch at the inauguration of Obama in 2008 - Sarah Palin condoms with the quote "When abortion is not an option"

    May the Gods help us all.

  171. [171] 
    echothebat wrote:

    Ok, this isn't original - but funny

    https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/trump-pence-logo-meme-2.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=780

    If you keep searching - or check out George Takai's FB post - some have even rendered this logo with a condom on the "T" - LOL....can't take it any more!

    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0291/2221/products/trump-huge-condom_4bb56d83-21d6-4ce8-8498-7d363d0e7f92.jpg?v=1462502957

    Reminds me of the merch at the inauguration of Obama in 2008 - Sarah Palin condoms with the quote "When abortion is not an option"

    https://icouldcrybutidonthavetime.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/palin-condom-front015.jpg

    May the Gods help us all.

  172. [172] 
    Michale wrote:

    echo,

    If you keep searching - or check out George Takai's FB post - some have even rendered this logo with a condom on the "T" - LOL....can't take it any more!

    Takei lost all respect when he went on a racist fueled rant bender against Justice Thomas...

    May the Gods help us all.

    Kudos... :D Now lose the capitalization and it would be perfect.. :D

    By the bi...

    "Welcome to the party, pal!!!"
    -John McClane, DIE HARD

    :D

    Michale

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