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Now Is The Time For Democrats To Demagogue

[ Posted Wednesday, May 4th, 2022 – 16:22 UTC ]

The very first column I ever wrote (for the Huffington Post, I didn't actually start this blog until a year later) was titled "Democratic Demagoguery." It urged Democrats to take a page from the Republican playbook and learn how to viscerally present issues and their party's agenda, in order to get more voters to vote for them. It started off (you'll soon note that this was 2006, as some of the current "hot button" issues plainly show) with the following:


You've got to hand it to Republicans, they sure know how to demagogue. The Senate spent this week forcing votes on GOP lost causes. First up was the gay marriage amendment, then came repealing the estate tax, and waiting in the wings is a flag-burning amendment. Lefties everywhere have decried these as cheap political stunts designed to generate campaign fodder for the fall midterms.

They're missing the point. Sure, these forced votes are cynical political hackery. The real question is: why can't Democrats manage to do the same? Realistically, since Democrats don't control either house of Congress, they can't schedule floor votes on their issues (or even get them out of committee). But that doesn't mean they can't use the media to effectively start a national debate on their own "hot button" issues.

Instead of always playing defense to Republican bugaboos (gay illegal alien flag-burners angry about the death tax?), imagine if every Democrat interviewed on Sunday's talk shows spoke with the same voice: "This is what we stand for and this is how we're going to make your life better." Pick a talking-point issue each week that fires up the Democratic base, such as a Privacy Amendment to the Constitution (there's a great article at Daily Kos advocating just that), or making all college tuition fully tax deductible. Imagine a solid front of prominent Democrats all calling for action on the same issue every week. When asked by an interviewer, "so what about the flag burning amendment," answering: "Well, I think the Senate could spend its time more effectively by protecting veterans and other Americans from identity theft by passing our Data Privacy Act. I think that would make Americans safer and improve their lives more than stopping a non-existent rash of flag burning." Dismiss the GOP idea completely, and move on to what you want to talk about.

Sadly, the Republicans are still masters of this art while Democrats still haven't learned how to do it very well. Democrats have improved somewhat, since then, but mostly in standout cases like Bernie Sanders. You'll also note that while some of those issues are now laughably dated (flag burning?), some are just as pertinent now as they were back then (a constitutional Privacy Amendment would be a dandy thing to have right now, wouldn't it?).

Immediately after the draft Supreme Court decision which will overturn Roe v. Wade leaked, the Republicans settled on a short-term strategy -- it wasn't what was leaked, it was the leak itself which should outrage everyone! Mitch McConnell explicitly said so, in fact: "That's not the story here today. I think the story today is an effort by someone on the inside to discredit the institution.... Concentrate on what the news is today -- not a leaked draft, but the fact that the draft was leaked." So far, this isn't working (at least, outside the confines of the right-wing media echo chamber). The Republican base can get as worked up about the leak as they want, but most Americans aren't going to care -- they're going to care a lot more about women losing a freedom they've had for fifty years.

The verb demagogue can be defined as: "rhetorically exploit (an issue) for political purposes in a way calculated to appeal to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people." That is precisely what Democrats need to do right now, not just on abortion but on the entire MAGA platform (such as it is).

If I were a Democratic politician (or, more likely, a speechwriter for one), the speech that I would start giving would go something like this:

 

Joe Biden is right -- this is not your father's Republican Party. This is not the party that used to stand for individual freedom and government getting out of people's business, and that used to resist -- and even denounce -- the most extreme ideas on the conservative side. Today's Republican Party is one where the radical extremists are now in control -- make no bones about it.

This is a party that lies and cheats its way to packing a Supreme Court with people who lie under oath to the Senate in order to get the job. This is a party which now celebrates judicial activism. This is a party that wants to take away freedoms and rights. This is a party that no longer sees any nuance or humanity in its quest to institute their version of morals and religion.

This is a party that is working avidly on a nationwide ban on abortion -- under any circumstances. Some of them would still allow abortions if the life of the mother is in danger, but some don't even go that far. This is a party that now wants to give rapist fathers more rights than the innocent victim they violated. This is a party that now wants to allow rapists to select the mother of their child, rather than just choosing a victim for their heinous crime.

This is a party that wants to see 11- and 12-year-old girls who were raped by a family member be forced to carry a baby to term that the girl's body is not fully developed to carry -- no matter what the risks or dangers to the girl are. After she was incestuously raped. That is what the Republican Party now stands for. Forcing a small girl to have a baby whose father is also the baby's grandfather. The party that now stands for putting in jail anyone -- the doctor, the person who drives them to the doctor, the girl herself -- who doesn't agree with their Draconian and theocratic law. Anyone who thinks this is some sort of exaggeration should talk to a few doctors in the field -- they'll tell you that these sad and tragic things happen all the time, even to extremely young girls.

Remember when Obamacare was debated? Remember when Republicans made a big stink about how it would supposedly mean "the federal government" somehow was going to interfere with the sacred "doctor/patient relationship"? Yeah, all that went right out the window, folks. Now they want the government to put both doctors and patients in jail.

Whatever happened to "getting government out of people's lives"? Whatever happened to standing up for freedom for all? Again, all that went right out the window.

Republicans don't even want to talk about any of this now. They think you should be outraged because we all found out what the unelected activist Supreme Court was up to a few weeks before we would have all heard about it anyway. They think that's the issue here. They could not be more wrong.

This is not some sort of gradual chipping away at rights that women have held for half a century -- in something like half the states, this is going to be the new reality -- starting this summer. Parents, please note this when deciding where to send your teens to college. Corporations, please note that putting a headquarters or a factory in these states means a huge percentage of the available talented workforce will flat-out refuse to work there -- because they deny women basic rights. If the red states want to move back to the days when back-alley abortions caused needless deaths, everyone else in the country should take note and avoid these states if you value your own freedoms.

The Republican Party has been taken over by the extremists. The zealots are in full control. The red states run by the GOP are already trying to outdo each other with their abortion bans. And make no mistake about it -- this is not the end of this road. Some anti-choice people believe that the Pill and other contraceptive methods "cause abortions," even though this is nowhere near the truth. So that'll be next on their list of things to ban. This doesn't end here -- it never does when extremists are in control.

To those extremists, I ask: "What would you say to a 12-year-old girl who is pregnant because her father raped her? That the rest of her life is now essentially forfeit because she is a crime victim?" That is what they are forcing on girls, everywhere they can. And if they take both houses of Congress and the White House, that is the vision they have for all of America -- blue states as well as red.

I for one will do everything I can to make sure that doesn't happen. I for one am not going to let America devolve into a theocracy, where as long as the dominant religion of a state deems something is bad, it is forbidden by law. The United States Supreme Court is essentially giving the green light for that to happen -- a country where there is no such thing as universal civil rights enjoyed by all citizens, but one in which your rights depend on which state you live in.

That is un-American. Democrats believe in unalienable rights -- rights every single human being has as his or her birthright -- not just the rights the government decides to allow you, depending on what state you live in. I believe in a country where such rights are truly universal and we actually do live in "the land of the free," and not "the land where your freedom depends on your state's politicians."

The Republican Party used to stand for things like that. But it has sadly been hijacked by the most radical and extreme factions. Biden is right -- this ain't your dad's GOP. Not by a long shot.

-- Chris Weigant

 

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217 Comments on “Now Is The Time For Democrats To Demagogue”

  1. [1] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    FPC

    Yeah, you better call it a day. ;)

    At the point when I have everyone running scared!!

    Why ever for!!!??? :D

    NO ONE here wants to commit to a firm opinion..

    Michale. Really? Is this the best you got? C'mon, you HAVE a brain and you obviously CARE...so please, CARE enough to send your very best! Aren't Weigantians worth it?

    Respectfully.

  2. [2] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Now, onward to the column!

  3. [3] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Your dad's GOP wasn't that great, either.

  4. [4] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Whopa Gangnam Style -- CW this may be your most powerful column since I started hanging out here! Well done.

    I can see why you left HuffPo (besides the fact that they fired Jason Lincolns(?) Sunday Talkshow review along with everybody else over 30, harumph!)

    Your 2006 column referenced above was prescient. I think you were too good for those people.

  5. [5] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [3]

    Em did you do your Ukraine homework? No? That's okay. I won't even pull one of those juvenile if you don't argue you are CONCEEDING bullhockey than on you.

    I HATE war. That's my DNA getting killed. But APPEASEMENT simply postpones war.

  6. [6] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [3]

    So Em (I like Em and it's easier than Elizabeth Miller, so I hope you don't object, K?)

    Are we agreed that this column is specifically about Dems failing to play the wonderful cards the Repugs keep dealing? About why are Dems so politically feeble?

  7. [7] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [5]

    ...bullhockey THANGS on you.

  8. [8] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I don't particularly like being called Em. Try Liz if you want something short.

  9. [9] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Michale, I've a proposal:

    Would you trade "your,"

    The JEWS! Will NOT! Replace us! Fashi tiki-torch carrying crowd...

    for "my..."

    DEFUND THE POLICE! Social Workers instead! er, man-bun crowd?

    I sincerely prefer that WE not hold the idiot extremists supposedly on "my side" against ME and not hold the right-wing extremists "on your side" against YOU.

    I think Weigantia will benefit if you and I take it to a more productive level. Whaddaya think?

  10. [10] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Liz is kewell.

  11. [11] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Liz is kewell.

    Let's test it out, Liz.

    Liz, for over two months I religiously scrolled through both Don's and Michale's posts -- every last one of them!

    FOR I had concluded that both were essentially trolls in that I saw little evidence that either lived to do anything besides "own" the Libs/Big Money Fools. I regarded them as Annoyance Vampires, quite frankly.

    But in the spirit of you and me and tea in Vancouver I decided to kinda reach out and give both the time of day.

    Alas, Don failed me/us but I'm quite pleased about relations with Michale. Funny how all ya gotta do is give somebody a little respect and better things happen.

    Make no mistake I was right when I told Michale that we have FAR more in common politically than NOT.

    STARTING with the well documented FACT that we both regard the other as a hopelessly brainwashed tool of the [insert here.] I mean, I FEEL the guy!

    So here's a shout out to ya...Liz... for exerting a good #BoardMother influence on me. I like this place better nowadays.

  12. [12] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [11]

    You can go now...Liz. :D

  13. [13] 
    andygaus wrote:

    Very good column, and it is certainly correct that Democrats need to start pushing emotional buttons. But there are more buttons to push besides forcing 11-year-old rape victims to give birth. Republicans also think that if you have diabetes and can't pay whatever the market will bear for insulin, you should just go ahead and die. And they think we should just watch as our planet--and even the US itself--becomes more and more uninhabitable. Not to mention that you should not have the right to vote if you can't stand in line for 6 hours without food or water.

  14. [14] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [13]

    No kidding. It's like the campaign ads just write themselves.

  15. [15] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Aw, c'mon Liz!

    You didn't have to go now...

  16. [16] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    FPC

    Michale wrote:

    And, as such, I am the only factually confirmed NPA here in Weigantia.. Everyone else is a proven Democrat... :D

    Okay, if that works for you, great. Doesn't work for anyone else I've seen on Weigantia, great.

    Your voice, your choice.

  17. [17] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    For members of Congress, getting a piece of legislation that they introduced signed into law is one of the greatest accomplishments that they can hope to achieve. It is truly how they are able to leave their mark on history.

    That is why it was such a shock when Republicans killed a piece of legislation that they, themselves, had introduced — but only after President Obama said that he fully supported the bill and would sign it into law if it made it to his desk. Republicans did not kill the bill from passing because it’s content had changed and no longer did what they had intended it to do… it was a good piece of legislation that would have benefitted their constituents as they had intended it to when they first introduced the bill.

    No, the Republicans that had a majority in both houses killed the legislation because Obama voiced his support of it. Republicans had decided to vote against any legislation that Obama backed to prevent him from signing into law any legislation that people would view positively. And because Obama said that he supported the bill and looked forward to signing it into law, Republicans voted against their own piece of legislation!

    Think about that for a second. Republicans didn’t vote against the legislation because it went against their values or ethics. They authored it. They didn’t vote against it because they believed it would harm their constituents’ best interests. It would have benefitted the entire nation…which is why it had had bipartisan support going into the final vote. No, Republicans voted down legislation that they had introduced because they felt it was more important to prevent Obama from signing into law legislation that they knew would benefit their constituents…they did not want Obama to get the credit!

    The GOP continues to use that game plan anytime a Democrat is in the White House. They intentionally vote against legislation that would benefit their constituents and the nation in the hopes that they can make life so bad during a Democrat’s presidency that voters will put them back in power.

  18. [18] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    For the record I myself coined and deployed Weigantia long before I saw anyone else using it. So if you coined the term years ago, great. As in, great minds think alike, great!

    Apparently so.. :D

    Yea, the term Weigantia was first coined by yours truly over a decade ago.. If I had the Google chops I could find the exact first mention..

    It's an interesting story.. I don't recall exactly how the naming request came about but I do remember at the time I was a big STARGATE ATLANTIS fan...

    And Weigantia sounded like Lantians, which is what the Ancients of the Pegasus Galaxy were called so Weigantia was born.. I would like to say it was around 2008 or 2010, but I don't know for sure..

    So yea.. Wegantia was my creation and here it is in use, over 10 years later.. :D

  19. [19] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC

    Michale. Really? Is this the best you got? C'mon, you HAVE a brain and you obviously CARE...so please, CARE enough to send your very best! Aren't Weigantians worth it?

    Respectfully.

    Me culpa.. I was getting frustrated because NO ONE would commit to a firm opinion..

    But then MEZZOMOMMA chimed in to agree with me that no one is saying that abortion should be allowed minutes before birth and I guess that prompted everyone to concede that everyone does, in fact, believe that there SHOULD be abortion restrictions...

    So, it was a red letter day.. Every Weigantian who chimed in agrees..

    There SHOULD be some abortion restrictions..

    The only point of contention is when those restrictions should come into play..

    Beyond a health emergency of the mother, the majority of Americans are perfectly fine with a 15 week restriction.. I personally agree, beyond a health emergency for the mother, that a 6 week restriction should be in place.. If a woman is raped, she has 6 weeks to abort the baby which is PLENTY of time.

    So, that pretty much covers ALL of the concerns Weigantians have raised..

    As I said.. A red letter day.. :D

    We ALL agree... :D

  20. [20] 
    Michale wrote:

    I sincerely prefer that WE not hold the idiot extremists supposedly on "my side" against ME and not hold the right-wing extremists "on your side" against YOU.

    I think Weigantia will benefit if you and I take it to a more productive level. Whaddaya think?

    I agree with you completely..

    Except for the fact that the entire concept of Weigantia commentary is BUILT around taking ONE GOP'er and trying to paint the entire GOP with that single brush...

    Oh sure, there are exceptions every now and again.. But the vast majority of commentaries here take one out of context Right Wing person or event and attempts to paint the entire Right with that one person or event..

    6 Jan comes to mind. The GOP'er in the wheel chair is another example..

    So, while I would well and truly LOVE your idea to be the coin of the realm, it would destroy this entire realm if your idea was actually implemented by your side.. :D

    It's a great idea.. Just not within the realm of reality..

    But hay, you and I can give it shot.. As long as you condemn the DEFUND THE POLICE morons, I won't hold them against you..

    In return, as long as I condemn the 6 Jan rioting and cop-attacking morons, you won't hold them against me...

    That can work.. Just our own private Idaho... :D

  21. [21] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, let me see if I have this right...

    Ya'all hate this one aspect of the GOP.. Demagoguery..

    But NOW ya say that NOW, because things are so bad for Democrats, NOW you want the Democrats to start acting like the GOP??

    WOW... Even ya'all must think things are SOOOOOOO bad for Democrats that ya'all think they need to start emulating the GOP!!!! :D

    Com'on!! Ya'all just HAVE to appreciate the irony of your position..

    "Our Democrats are in such sad and bad shape that the ONLY solution we can see is for Democrats to start acting like Republicans!!!"
    -Weigantians

    I love it!! :D

  22. [22] 
    Michale wrote:

    @andygaus

    But there are more buttons to push besides forcing 11-year-old rape victims to give birth. Republicans also think that if you have diabetes and can't pay whatever the market will bear for insulin, you should just go ahead and die. And they think we should just watch as our planet--and even the US itself--becomes more and more uninhabitable. Not to mention that you should not have the right to vote if you can't stand in line for 6 hours without food or water.

    "Amazing. Everything you just said right there is wrong."
    -Luke Skywalker

  23. [23] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    I HATE war. That's my DNA getting killed. But APPEASEMENT simply postpones war.

    That's very similar to something I have always been fond of saying..

    "Peace at any cost is not peace. It's slavery"

  24. [24] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    The GOP continues to use that game plan anytime a Democrat is in the White House. They intentionally vote against legislation that would benefit their constituents and the nation in the hopes that they can make life so bad during a Democrat’s presidency that voters will put them back in power.

    And DEMOCRATS do the EXACT same thing when there is a Republican in the White House..

    So, what exactly is your point???

  25. [25] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    Okay, if that works for you, great. Doesn't work for anyone else I've seen on Weigantia, great.

    I am open to be proven wrong..

    My NPA bona fides were well established over a decade ago..

    If anyone else wants to establish their NON-DEMOCRAT bona fides....

    "Well, I'm all ears."
    -Ross Perot, 1992 Presidential Debates

    Until such time as the bona fides are established, I gotta go with what the FACTS show..

    And the FACTS here clearly show that everyone here that is actually an American citizen, sans yours truly, is a card carrying member of the Democrat Party...

    I am open to being proven wrong, but until that time, the facts stand.. :D

  26. [26] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    Alas, Don failed me/us but I'm quite pleased about relations with Michale. Funny how all ya gotta do is give somebody a little respect and better things happen.

    Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!! TELL 'IM WHAT HE'S WON JOHNNY!!!

    It's like you read my mind, MC!!! :D

    That's EXACTLY how I feel about things.. :D

  27. [27] 
    Michale wrote:

    So here's a shout out to ya...Liz... for exerting a good #BoardMother influence on me. I like this place better nowadays.

    HERE HERE!!! I second that!!! :D

    "Here, here!"
    "Where!? Where!?"
    "There, there.."
    "Now, now..."

    -STAR TREK ISHMAEL

    :D

  28. [28] 
    Michale wrote:

    Many of ya'all have commented that the SCOTUS throwing Roe v Wade on the trash heap of history will be a big boon for Democrats in the mid-terms..

    I have pointed out that such a theory is quite wrong as the ruling will push the Democrat Party even FURTHER to the Left..

    And the Dem Party moving to the extreme Left is EXACTLY WHY Democrats are in such sad shape going into the mid-terms..

    And I am further pointing out that ANY slight advantage that the Democrat Party *MAY* obtain will be totally and completely offset by the violence that will be committed by Democrats..

    Such violence is already becoming apparent..

    So, let's recap...

    Democrats are in a HUGE amount of trouble because of their huge LeftWard jaunt...

    The SCOTUS ruling will push Democrats to go even FURTHER to the Left...

    And the violence that will occur BY Democrats will push Democrats even FURTHER away from every day Americans...

    So, no matter how ya'all want to spin this??

    The SCOTUS' righteous ruling makes things even WORSE for the Democrat Party...

    Amazing, eh?? :D

  29. [29] 
    Michale wrote:

    Police clash with protesters at abortion rights rally in Los Angeles

    Police and protesters clashed in downtown Los Angeles on Tuesday night during an abortion rights rally over the Supreme Court's possible overturning of Roe v. Wade.

    According to Los Angeles Police Chief Michel Moore, police were escorting a group of about 250 demonstrators marching from the federal courthouse to Pershing Square when a segment of the crowd "began to throw rocks and bottles” at police. Moore said that one officer was injured.

    One police vehicle was seen with its window smashed, and a citywide police tactical alert was was briefly declared.

    Videos posted to social media showed a chaotic scene as an officer tackled a protester, nearly hitting a fire hydrant, while another officer struck protesters with a baton.
    https://au.news.yahoo.com/lapd-police-clash-abortion-protest-supreme-court-175537208.html

    Yep, this is gonna be 1968 all over again...

    And we know how badly 1968 went for Democrats..

    I wouldn't have thought it possible but Democrats are actually make it WORSE for themselves in November..

  30. [30] 
    Michale wrote:

    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/Supreme-Justices-Vote-HP.jpg?quality=75&strip=all

    Read 'em and weep, people.. :D

    "Elections have consequences"
    -Barack Hussein Odumbo

    :D

  31. [31] 
    Michale wrote:

    Disney vs. DeSantis: Chapek's 'Don't Say Gay' fumble a warning to CEOs, says Harvard professor
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/disney-vs-de-santis-chapeks-dont-say-gay-fumble-a-warning-to-ce-os-says-harvard-professor-142706701.html

    What's so ironic about this Disney cock-up is that Chapek didn't WANT to get involved in the FL Parents Rights Anti Groomer law..

    Chapek was the kind of CEO who didn't think corps should get involved in politics. That corps are in the business of business and that's where they should stay..

    But he bowed to the pressure of a very small whiney minority and then what happened??

    Chapek's wisdom was proven...

    NOW Disney is on the ropes and their business is going down the tubes because the whiney bitchy VERY SMALL minority couldn't just mind their own business...

    A good lesson indeed for CEOs..

    Butt out...

  32. [32] 
    Michale wrote:

    Alito makes masterful argument to ‘overturn’ Roe v. Wade
    https://nypost.com/2022/05/03/alitos-draft-masterfully-makes-the-overturn-roe-argument-crystal-clear/

    What's so ironic here is that Justice Alito makes the EXACT same argument that Democrat icon Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg made...

    So, how can ya'all go against the notorious RBG???? It's MIND BOGGLING!!

  33. [33] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    This addresses your point...

    Currently, Walt Disney World Resort sits on a 40-square mile area known as Reedy Creek, the special tax district that has allowed Disney to operate as a self-governing entity since its inception.

    That means Disney controls all of its utilities and infrastructure, sets building codes, operates its own police and fire departments, and can expand and grow whenever it wishes — all without local or state government interference.

    "I call it a Vatican with mouse ears, because it's essentially the same kind of authority that the Vatican has in Rome in the state of Italy," said Richard Foglesong, Disney historian and author of the book "Married to the Mouse: Walt Disney World and Orlando."

    Consequently, the district (in addition to providing immense control and flexibility) saves the company tens of millions of dollars every year in certain taxes and fees.

    Disney is now going to have to pay tens of millions in dollars every year... Those tax payments will more than offset any taxes that might have fallen to the Floridians in those areas...

    Not to mention retroactive impact fees and such which will likely fall into the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars..

    Disney REALLY scroo'ed da pooch when they decided to pick up a weapon and become a political combatant...

    Disney ignored Will Smith's very sage advice..

    "Ya wouldn't START none!! Der wouldn't BE none!!"
    -Will Smith, INDEPENDENCE DAY

  34. [34] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    Excuse me, but I missed the part about somebody dying and putting you in charge.

    As the FIRST "real" commenter here in Weigantia, I am afforded a certain amount of deference..

    Show some respect, sonny! hehe

    :D

  35. [35] 
    Michale wrote:

    Progressive 'Young Turks' host says she's 'done' with Democrats, including the Squad: 'Disgusting, feckless'

    Ana Kasparian blasts Biden, Pelosi, Schumer over their inaction on protecting abortion rights
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-young-turks-ana-kasparian-done-with-democrats

    These Young Turk people crack me up..

    They issued nearly the same exact hysterical Anti-Democrat rant after President Trump wiped the floor with Hillary Clinton..

    And in the ensuing years, absolutely nothing changed..

    Their credibility is shot...

  36. [36] 
    Michale wrote:

    "They don't care! They're fine! They're all so old, they don't have to worry about it affecting them and if they're young enough where it would affect them, they'll get their abortion, okay? They're trading their individual stocks enriching themselves, they're good! They're good. They don't care about you. Make sure you understand that you feel it in your bones. They don't care about you at all.

    All of that fundraising, all of that canvassing all of that hard work on the ground. They can't even get a voting rights bill. Passed. There are losers!

    Hey, Nancy, how's your refrigerator doing? How's your luxury ice cream doing, okay? How's all that going for you?" Kasparian asked the top Democrat. "Listen, all of the bootlickers for the Democratic Party get so upset at me for telling you the truth about how ineffective and pathetic Democratic lawmakers are. Go ahead and cry about it. ‘Oh, but the real enemies are the Republicans.’ At least Republicans tell us exactly who they are. They don't even hide their cards. They tell us exactly who they are and what they're planning on doing. They scream it from the mountaintops! And what do Democrats do? Do they do anything to prepare for it, to strategize, to ensure that they mitigate the damage that's done by right-wingers in this country? No, they're too busy fundraising. Nancy Pelosi's gonna fundraise! Chuck Schumer. He can't do away with the filibuster because that would mean that he'd have to apply a little bit of pressure on goons like Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin. 'Oh, can't do that. Can't do that.'!!!"
    -Ana Kasparian

    Don't keep it all bottled up inside, Ana.. Tell us how you REALLY feel.. :D

  37. [37] 
    Michale wrote:

    For those hoping that baby killing becomes a Democrat clarion call..???

    Abortion Might Not Be the Wedge Issue It Used to Be

    After years of partisan sorting on abortion, there probably aren’t many voters motivated by that issue left to turn out.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/04/abortion-wedge-issue-partisan-democrats-turnout-00030129

    Keep hoping..

    Only about 5% of Americans think that baby killing rights are an important issue...

    Unless Vlad opens Pandora's nuclear box, November is still going to be about the economy...

    Once the nuclear genie is out of the bottle, all bets are off..

  38. [38] 
    Michale wrote:

    Also, one needs to keep in mind..

    Democrats are ALREADY hemmoraging black and hispanic support..

    Black and hispanic Americans are well known to be pro-life and against baby killing..

    So pushing baby killing rights as a campaign issue threatens to accelerate the loss of black and hispanic support...

    When one looks at the big picture a pro baby killing agenda is bad news all around for Democrats..

  39. [39] 
    Michale wrote:

    Nolte: Left’s Lunatic Embrace of Infanticide Helped Kill Roe v. Wade
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/04/nolte-lefts-lunatic-embrace-infanticide-helped-kill-roe-v-wade/

    Sound familiar???

    while I am not overly thrilled that my point is echoed in the pages of Brietbart, it does nothing to negate the logic of the facts..

    The Democrats whole hearted embrace of sickening #CELEBRATE infanticide and #SHOUT OUT baby killing directly lead to the demise of Roe v Wade...

    Decent everyday Americans simply do NOT like people glorifying baby killing. That it is sometimes necessary is a sad fact of life. But Americans will treat with disgust those sick degenerates who want to BRAG about their baby killing and want to CELEBRATE their baby killing..

    Democrats only have themselves to blame for the death of Roe v Wade....

  40. [40] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale and Caddy,

    Thanks in very large part to you guys, I like this place much better nowadays, too! :)

  41. [41] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Caddy,

    About your initial Ukraine response ... could you please post a permalink to that for me so I don't have to look for it ... you know, the thread where you re-posted what I posted and then your response.

    I promise to get to it tonight.

  42. [42] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Mtn Caddy (11)-
    You reached out and gave me the time of day?

    And I failed you/us?

    What a crock of shit.

    Dodges, trolling and lies are not reaching out.

    Reaching out would be responding to my rational arguments with rational arguments which you have not done.

    You sure did not need this article to inspire you into demagoguery.

    Same old Weigantia from my perspective regarding me and One Demand.

    Just a bunch of trolls, cowards and assholes spewing bullshit lies and dodging rational discussion.

    Fuck off until you grow up.

  43. [43] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Michale (34)-
    Respect is earned.

    You have only earned scorn, asshole.

  44. [44] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    EM (40)-
    You like this place better thanks to the trolling, lies and dodges from Mtn caddy and Michale? (among others)

    So you think it is appropriate for them troll, lie and dodge rather than engage in rational discussion?

    What the fuck is wrong with you, EM?

    You can pretend everything is unicorns and rainbows but it is bullshit as long as it does not extend to all commenters.

    But as long as you keep telling yourself that everything is unicorns and rainbows you don't have to acknowledge the trolling, lies and dodges or do anything aboot it.

    Your comment is saying fuck you to me without using the words.

    Right back at ya.

  45. [45] 
    Michale wrote:

    Left-wing group calls for protests at homes of 6 conservative Supreme Court justices

    Group says they will visit the homes on May 11
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/liberal-group-protests-conservative-supreme-court-justice-homes

    Oh yea...

    THAT will endear Democrats to the American people.. :^/

    Ya'all see what I mean about this NOT being a good thing for Democrats???

  46. [46] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    CW-
    Another Deathocrats should be more like Republikillers article.

    Decades of that has put us where we are now.

    Shame on you.

    But thanks for the excerpt from the 2006 article that shows you are still spewing the same bullshit you were then.

    But I still think that you are capable of evolving.

    You could show you are capable of evolving by addressing One Demand with a rational argument and at the same time provide a positive example of the assholes commenting here on how to engage in rational discussion instead of trolling, lying and dodging.

    How is voting for big money politicians going to get the big money out of politics when that hasn't worked for decades?

    How is it that One Demand using the basic principle of democracy that if politicians do not do what we want that we do not vote for them cannot work but democracy can work?

    You have been hiding for too many years to have any credibility when you have held others to a standard that they should provide answers to such questions and set the standard that you should address ideas like One Demand in your mission statement.

    It's time for you to get a new theme song. Your current one is not flattering.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKss2pByQ6Y

  47. [47] 
    Don Harris wrote:
  48. [48] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @don,

    i notice you have gotten quite a lot more belligerent and profane since caddy, michale and kick all decided to play nice. what gives dude, can't stand to see anyone else having a pleasant experience?


    here is a better solution and a better theme song.

  49. [49] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    You noticed that too, eh? :D

  50. [50] 
    Michale wrote:

    Louisiana Republicans advance bill that would charge abortion as homicidehttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/louisiana-republicans-advance-bill-that-would-charge-abortion-as-homicide/ar-AAWX97G?ocid=uxbndlbing

    NOW we're cookin' with gas!!

    See Democrats?? Ya'all should have been happy with SAFE, LEGAL and RARE..

    Now people are going to go to jail for baby killing...

  51. [51] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Nypoet-
    That has been explained many times.

    The trolling, lying and dodging is saying fuck you to me without using the words. The purpose of the trolling, lying and dodges is to make this place an unpleasant place to be.

    So no, I can't stand to see someone else have a pleasant time as they are having a pleasant time trolling, lying and dodging for the sole purpose of making this place unpleasant for me.

    And none of you deserve to have a pleasant time being assholes.

    Michale advised that I find common ground so I have come to where the rest of you are, but am using the words to be there in a more honest way as this will help the rest of you make this place an unpleasant place to be.

    Michale, Mtn caddy and Kick playing nice with each other has no effect on me as they continue to troll, lie and dodge regarding me.

    Just another dodge and trolling.

    You want nice?

    Then act nice.

    Answer the questions in comment 46 with a rational argument instead of making lame pie jokes or dodges.

    Otherwise you are as full of shit as the rest of the assholes.

    The choice is yours.

  52. [52] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Michale (49,51)-
    You got what you asked for and wanted, asshole.

  53. [53] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Michale,

    But hay, you and I can give it shot.. As long as you condemn the DEFUND THE POLICE morons, I won't hold them against you..

    In return, as long as I condemn the 6 Jan rioting and cop-attacking morons, you won't hold them against me...

    That can work.. Just our own private Idaho... :D

    Done! And... you crack me up My Own Private Idaho.

  54. [54] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Michale,

    But hay, you and I can give it shot.. As long as you condemn the DEFUND THE POLICE morons, I won't hold them against you..

    In return, as long as I condemn the 6 Jan rioting and cop-attacking morons, you won't hold them against me...

    That can work.. Just our own private Idaho... :D

    Done! And... you crack me up, Mister My Own Private Idaho. ;D

  55. [55] 
    Michale wrote:

    WOW...

    MC In stereo!! :D

  56. [56] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Mtn Caddy-
    Another spelling mistake!

    For you and Michale it's not Idaho, it's Idahole as in asshole.

    But hey, cracking up a crack (also as in asshole) is quite an accomplishment for the other asshole!

    So many assholes here you would think it was a crack house. :D

  57. [57] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Cracks undermine nice talking.

  58. [58] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [54]

    Happy to condemn DEFUND THE POLICE. D'ya wonder why so many city Dems are completely opposed to that nonsense?

    And I'll raise you and wholeheartedly condemn anybody marching on SCOTUS's homes. Along with bagging on Repugs in restaurants.

    This is not only so bush league* it'd hand the Bad Guys# the obvious talking point Oh, you condemn January 6th but it's okay to stalk SCOTUS Justices because you're pissed off?

    *I cannot help, Michale, but use emphasis in the extra-Weigantian

  59. [59] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC

    I get what you're saying about emphasis.. I have commented often that I post as I talk so if I EMPHASISE a word with caps or if I EMPHASISE a word with bold, I am typing as I would speak it..

    It's just when you put emphasis on an entire sentence or couple sentences it makes it harder to understand just WHERE the emphasis is..

    It's my own private bugaboo I guess.. Don't stress over it too much.. I'll work it out.. :D

  60. [60] 
    Michale wrote:

    This is not only so bush league* it'd hand the Bad Guys# the obvious talking point Oh, you condemn January 6th but it's okay to stalk SCOTUS Justices because you're pissed off?

    And that was my entire "problem" with ya'all's 'hysterics' over a SINGLE violent riot in a SINGLE building at a SINGLE location over the span of a couple hours...

    But we have endured over 22 years (collectively) of violent riots and attacks on HUNDREDS of government buildings all over the country..

    And no one here said BOO about any of those..

    I am sure you can readily identify the blatant hypocrisy as the ONE violent riot was a RIGHT Wing riot and the HUNDREDS of violent riots were all Left Wing riots..

  61. [61] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    ...sense. I'ma work hard to minimize that, but...you might view this as a Personal Growth Opportunity.

    Shirley, you will encounter others who likewise utilize these subversive Libtard English language indoctrination techniques. You cannot lead them out of the shadow of the Valley of Ignorance if'n yer feathers get overly ruffled, amine?

    I want to help. To help STEEL you against those that I promise you will emcounter.:P

    # Of course they're NOT the bad guys in OUR PRIVATE IDAHO, okay?

    Gotta keep up my Libtard appearance BigBoi ;D

  62. [62] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Mtn caddfy-
    You are in no position to condemn anything.

    The only reason your asshole behavior here is not bush league is the bush is on the opposite side of the body from the asshole.

    But thanks for handing the good guy the obvious talking point, you condemn marching on SCOTUS's homes and bagging on Republikilliers in restaurants but it's okay to troll, lie and dodge here in Weigantia because you have no rational argument to make?

    Asshole.

  63. [63] 
    Michale wrote:

    20 Republican-led states threaten legal action against DHS, urge disbanding of 'un-American' disinfo board

    The attorneys general of 20 states say the DHS disinformation board is having a 'chilling effect' on free speech

    In addition, they say the timing is suspect due to Telsa CEO Elon Musk's recent acquisition of Twitter, and his commitment to ensuring free speech and transparency on the platform.

    "Suddenly, just as Elon Musk prepares to acquire Twitter with the stated purpose of correcting the platform’s censorship of free speech, you announce the creation of the Disinformation Governance Board. As the Biden Administration apparently loses a critical ally in its campaign to suppress speech it deems "problematic," you have created a new government body to continue that work within the federal government," says the letter to Mayorkas.

    "The contemporaneous occurrence of these two events is hard to explain away as mere coincidence. It instead raises troubling questions about the extent of the Biden Administration’s practice of coordinating with private-sector companies to suppress disfavored speech."

    The attorneys general also state that "no statutory authority" exists to support the creation of the board, making it illegal.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republican-states-threaten-legal-action-mayorkas-disinformation-board

    I just gotta know..

    What Democrat MORON thought it was be a good idea to create a MINISTRY OF TRUTH in response to Elon's purchase of Twitter to promote free speech???

    I mean, honestly.. What kind of MORON thought that would be the perfect response?? :^/

  64. [64] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [60]

    There's a lot to unpack but I G2G.

    BE BEST!

    The better a Conservative you become the better a Libtard I will become. Win-win...a rising tide lifts all boats...

    Am I talking your language, here?


    The United States
    Air Force:

    99.7% of USAF are REMFs (as was yours, truly.)

    Think about it. There's only two tiny slivers of USAF personel who are on the front lines facing the enemy -- pilots, ready to scramble against the Rooskies and the PRC, and...

    (wait for it)

    ... the USAF Security Forces Specialists (read: MPs) who face off against waves of drunken Airmen.

    You NEED me on that wall!

    Your welcome, would like like another?

  65. [65] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [64]

    Dammit, I meant to post,

    The better a ConservaTARD you become the better a Libtard I will become. Win-win...a rising tide lifts...

    (thinking)

    On second thought, disregard that.

    Kumbaya, my Lord
    Kumbaya...

  66. [66] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    I really have to go now but does anyone agree that there is a bunch of volcanic reaction to the leaked decision. I, too, had a visceral reaction to the news but further reflection rather than hysteria is in order here. There are tons of implications here and whether you're a despairing Lib or a triumphant Con this is by no means settled.

    Effing get a grip and chill out. Remember Trump = Woman's March? Remember Hillary losing = waaay stronger Progressive influence?

  67. [67] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Michale-
    What specific kind of moron thinks that trolling, lying and dodges in the perfect response to rational discussion?

    It seems in your case it is the same kind of moron that would condemn marching on Scotus's homes and bagging on Republikillers in restaurants but thinks it is okay to troll, lie and dodge here in Weigantia because you have no rational argument to make.

    Hypocrisy- it's not a bug with Michale- it's a feature!

  68. [68] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Unintended consequences, eh GOP? The dog caught the car now what are you going to do with it?

    It's easy to predict that if the Dems play the Fear/Faith/Facism cards the Repugs have dealt them they will benefit enormously.

    The Repugs are trying to focus on the leak rather than celebrating this great victory on behalf of the Ameri -- er, 20% of the American People..

    That tells me something, you?

  69. [69] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [67]

    Always.
    Take.
    Your meds.
    ;D

  70. [70] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    MTn caddy-
    I remember you consistently running away from rational discussion.

    With cowards like you on the wall we may as well just open the gates.

  71. [71] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    No need for meds.

    I can point out exactly what kind of asshole you are without any help from meds as your comments provide all the help I need.

    You could, of course, choose not to be an asshole and engage in rational discussion but it appears you like proving you are an asshole.

  72. [72] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Haha...have fun with being inappropriate! :D

  73. [73] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Right back at ya.

    Just giving you what you want by meeting you on common ground.

  74. [74] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    K, Liz. Here's my condensed Ukraine schpiel, a distillation of my research to date.

    1- Russia is long and flat and has been invaded, like, forever. The Mongols were an especially memorable low light but there were Swedes, Turks...

    2- Russians understandably hate being invaded and the Romanovs were installed to stabilize Russia in order to protect Europe's eastern flank.

    3- Starting with Catherine the Great, Russia has sought to establish compliant buffer states (think Warsaw Pact) all around it to give it strategic depth. This is a big deal in geopolitics. (n. the effect of geography on a country's politics.)

    4- This certainly worked vis a vis Napoleon, Hitler and from the Soviet/Russian view, NATO.

    5- Russian demography and future economic prospects (read: Green energy) are dismal. Putin is old, has his billions and has always lamented the fall of the USSR. As horribly as it's give so far this was his last chance to invade.

    6- This timing had nothing to do with Biden. Obama was a pussy and Trump acted like #PutinsBitch so Putin was getting most of what he wanted out of those two clowns. Yep, twelve years straight of Foreign Policy incompetence! But old hand Joe wasn't going to wuss like Obams so Putin rolled the dice.

    Trouble is that the Warsaw Pact weapons showed up without the Warsaw Pact military dominance. Whoda thunk? I didn't think Ukraine would last, either.

    7- But let's say Putin conquered ALL of Ukraine back in 2014. That was probably his last opportunity, it now seems…

    8- Putin would now be fighting in Poland and Moldova (having presumably conquered the Baltic states.) He has to nestle up against the Carpathians and wester Poland to shorten Russia's front against NATO.

    9- Putin has already lost no matter what happens in Ukraine, to wit:

    A- Ukraine has essentially fought Russia to a standstill. Western arms will preserve the Ukrainian war effort and Ukraine’s political will to completely liberate all (read: Crimea and Donbass) Ukraine is effing indomitable.

    Please trust me on this, I'm Ukrainian-Murican. I recall accompanying my grandfather Ivan Wasyl Diachun to Ukrainian Nationalists meeting in Detroit in the late 60s.

    I could understand a damned Ukrainian word (exclusively spoken at these events) but there was no mistaking the sentiment in that auditorium.

    B- War sucks but better we fight them over there than over HERE, right, Conservatives? Al Queda and ISIS were not existential threats to America… but Putin is!

    C- NATO is more united than mid-Cold War. Even the Germans, kinda sort of.

    D- The West gets to test out all kinds of latest generation military toys, killing the bad guys and ultimately killing Vladimir. Payback for 22 years of doesn't work and play well with others. What's not to like?

    E- Even if every last sanction against against the Rooskies was lifted today their economy will suffer for years.

    So, it's too bad Putin fucked up. All we gotta do is keep financing Ukraine and IMO its just a matter of time before somebody puts a bullet in Putin's brain.

    It's a Rooskie thang, you wouldn't understand.

    Anyways, Elizabeth, I fully grok your antiwar sentiment. You are Canadian, after all. But Putin screwed the pooch and it makes no sense to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Which is what you advocate in the name of peace.

    Besides, in 1991 6 of 7 Ukrainians showed up to their Independence Referendum and voted 10 to 1 for Independence. You wouldn't want to deny 81 million, er, 44 million votes just to keep Vladimir happy, would you?

    I rest my case, Darling.
    ***
    There.

    That'll shut her up! :D

  75. [75] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    K, Elizabeth. Here's your original post:

    MtnCaddy and Friends,


    Lizsplaining 101 - the Russian War in Ukraine

    Okay, I’m going to explain why I think this war could have and certainly should have been avoided and who I think is to blame for inviting the start of it.

    But, first, to be clear and for the record, Putin and Russia are solely responsible for starting this ridiculously unnecessary and unjustified war against Ukraine, for the death of civilians and for committing obvious war crimes about which the ICC is investigating and rightly so. Such a declaration, here in Weigantia and among friends, should go without saying.

    Now, you will recall that when the Berlin wall fell and the disintegration of the USSR began, NATO, which was set up to counter the Soviet Union, began “assessing” that it would be a good idea to expand to ensure the continuing security of Europe.

    For one brief shining moment, the Yeltsin government in Moscow entertained the idea of Russia joining this strategic security arrangement, in some form or fashion. I even recall advocating for the same during the very early nineties when NATO began in earnest to consider expanding its security zone across Europe and, indeed, its sphere of influence. However, old ideas and patterns die hard sometimes and the Russians didn’t pursue joining NATO.

    As Russia embarked on its fledgling democracy, there were many Russians who felt a distinct sense of humiliation in the aftermath of the break-up of the Soviet Union. It was, after all, quite a shock to the system. And, in this environment when Russia was down and out and trying to emerge from a yolk of totalitarianism and economic hardship, NATO decides that this would be an opportune time to expand and, eventually, right up to Russia’s border.

    For thirty years, Russia has declared that Ukraine is a red line for them in terms of NATO expansion. Why would NATO wish to welcome Ukraine into the fold and have NATO forces just hundreds of miles from Moscow? Why, indeed. I would argue that Ukraine provides a security buffer for both Russia and NATO and space for continuing dialogue on the security concerns of both parties, especially given the nature of nuclear arms control negotiations that have been ongoing for decades, not to mention the general dynamics of the Cold War.

    So, knowing and understanding the real and ultimately manageable security concerns of Russia in the midst of NATO expansion up to its border, the US and NATO open the door to the possibility of Ukraine membership, leaving NATO's muscular force structure and weaponry, thanks to the US, right at Russia’s doorstep, only a few hundred miles from the heart of Moscow. Ukraine, in a move that helped to seal its current fate, enshrined in its constitution an aspirational intent to become a NATO member and all that is entailed with entering into such a security arrangement.

    Despite clear and consistent messaging from the Kremlin - over the course of the last thirty years, no less - the West refused to take Russia's security concerns seriously and Putin moved to recapture Crimea. Studying the history of this parcel of land, by the way, is instructive but, I will leave that complicated story to others.

    Later, with Ukraine, the US and NATO still stubbornly clinging to the notion that their public stance remain open to Ukrainian membership (“sovereign nations have the right to choose their alliances”, never mind the fact that NATO also has the right to choose its members and there was no logical reason nor realistic chance that Ukraine would ever actually be admitted) Putin moves to control the separatist regions of the Donbas in eastern Ukraine, thus creating facts on the ground to counter the real and imagined NATO threat.

    Fast forward to February 2022 and the amassing of Russian troops along its western border with Ukraine and in Belarus. And, still, Ukraine and the US and NATO refuse to accept reality on the ground or even discuss the real and manageable security concerns of Russia that have led to this troop build-up.

    In fact, Biden, in a historically stubborn and obtuse move, publicly declares that the idea of Ukrainian membership in NATO is sacrosanct and, as such, is off the negotiating table to diffuse the potential crisis. Which, of course, is all about NATO expansion into Ukraine. Adding fuel to the flames would be an apt phrase to describe this wholly irresponsible behavior on the part of an American president, NATO and Ukraine, who should all know better.

    And, here we are.
    ***

  76. [76] 
    Kick wrote:

    Nice column, CW.

    Upon reading the draft SCOTUS opinion in its entirety, it definitely appears to be "deeply rooted in our history" to elevate morons to the Supreme Court of the United States who seem totally oblivious to an incontrovertible fact:

    You cannot eliminate abortions; you can only eliminate safe abortions.

  77. [77] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [75]

    Yeah, I broke this down paragraph by paragraph and I can dig it up if you like.

    But maybe a little more direct conversion would clear things up quicker.

    Gotta walk my Husky-Wolf Betty, BRB.

  78. [78] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Oh,

    F- Great...now Finland and Sweden are sure to join NATO. Pony up hundreds more miles of border with NATO, what's not to like?

  79. [79] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Hiya Kick!

  80. [80] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hi Kick!!! Glad to see you back!! I love your comment!!!

    You cannot eliminate abortions; you can only eliminate safe abortions.

    Yes.. Just as you cannot eliminate murder.. You can only make it illegal..

    That's also an incontrovertible fact...

    That doesn't mean that laws against murder are useless and shouldn't be in place.. :D

    But thanx for the comment.. It's SOOOOO appreciated!! :D

  81. [81] 
    Michale wrote:

    But have no fear!!

    Democrat women are creating their OWN solution!!! :D

    CONCERNED ABOUT ROE, THESE WOMEN ARE TURNING TO STERILIZATION

    For women who don’t want children, sterilization is a safe and common option. But following the leaked Supreme Court decision, it’s taken on a new sense of direness and urgency
    https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/female-sterilization-options-roe-decision

    Democrats don't have to worry about killing their babies and patriotic Americans don't have to worry about Democrats actually reproducing!! :D

    It's a WIN-WIN for America!!! :D

  82. [82] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's that time again!! :D

    See everyone in the morning..

    Same bat time!! Same bat channel!! :D

  83. [83] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Hiya Kick!

    So I was doing my Kwai Chang Caine thang yesterday (except that I don't looking for my half-brother because I already have two knucklehead full-brothers and I know they're back East.)

    Anyways, I met this lifelong Fort Worthian gal, newly relocated to my mountains just February.

    Along a delightful conversation she pointed out that one thing that unites Texans across the political spectrum is disdain for Oakies.

    It's this true? Is it in Texan society's interests to have someone even lowlier than then y'all to look down on? Kumbaya,baby! ;D

  84. [84] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [82]

    Yeah yeah yeah.

    Just when I get back. *tsk tsk*

  85. [85] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Oh yeah, and how does your new Congressional District look, Miss Texas-23?

  86. [86] 
    Kick wrote:

    MtnCaddy
    79

    :)

  87. [87] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    80

    Hi Kick!!!

    :)

    Glad to see you back!!

    I never left.

    I love your comment!!!

    My comment regrets to inform you that it isn't interested in love.

    Yes.. Just as you cannot eliminate murder.. You can only make it illegal..

    You are incorrect. I can do a lot more with murder than make it illegal.

    That's also an incontrovertible fact...

    You are again incorrect. You can do so much more with murder than simply make it illegal.

    That doesn't mean that laws against murder are useless and shouldn't be in place.. :D

    I wish I had time to discuss your false equivalency, but I'm headed into the kitchen to kill some chickens by boiling some eggs.

    But thanx for the comment..

    No need.

    It's SOOOOO appreciated!! :D

    It wasn't exactly addressed to you.

  88. [88] 
    Kick wrote:

    MtnCaddy
    83

    Hiya Kick!

    :)

    Anyways, I met this lifelong Fort Worthian gal, newly relocated to my mountains just February.

    Lots of Californians moving to Texas, you know; least we can do is send you some of us.

    Along a delightful conversation she pointed out that one thing that unites Texans across the political spectrum is disdain for Oakies.

    I think it's a more of a college football thing than anything else.

    It's this true?

    This is most certainly (almost) universally true!

    Is it in Texan society's interests to have someone even lowlier than then y'all to look down on?

    They started it, OK!? It's always been OK looking down on us and forever and always shall remain ever thus. ;)

  89. [89] 
    Kick wrote:

    MtnCaddy
    85

    Oh yeah, and how does your new Congressional District look, Miss Texas-23?

    That ain't my district, but how does it look?
    It looks like a giant chunk of East Texas.

  90. [90] 
    Kick wrote:

    ^^^^^ EDIT ^^^^^

    Duh! TX-23 is a giant chunk of West Texas! :)

  91. [91] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [88]

    Okay it's an OU thang first and foremost. I'm a Michigan Man and have strong feelings for Michigan Football and Michigan Basketball!

    Although opinion is certainly divided on the quality of the Oklahoman citizenry. Even here in Country-Cali. ;D

    Naw, lemme rephrase the question: what's your new Texas District after redistricting? I think I went from Strong Repug CA-8 to Competitive CA-23, as it turns out.

  92. [92] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Purdy shore about the CA-23 but not so sure about the Competitive part.

  93. [93] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    So gimme your damn new Texas District number and I'll go look it up on Cook Political Report.

    Turns out my new District is R+8 according to these people.

  94. [94] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Drat.

    And my Repug Congressman is a real bozo. Just to give you a taste here are some hashtags I leave on his Twitter account:

    #InOverHisHead

    #OneAndDone

    #TrumpsBitch

    #SeditionCaucus

    ... you get the drift. Why, I'm a comparative Gentleman in these here parts, a-yup.

  95. [95] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    ***The posting function is not working on the new column.***

  96. [96] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    No Comments yet on “How Far Is "Too Far" For Today's Republicans?”


    Comments for this article are closed.

  97. [97] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    So Elizabeth, whaddup?

  98. [98] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @caddy,

    Maybe it's an accident. Or maybe it's not.

  99. [99] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Oh, Chris is just having some technical issues ...

  100. [100] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Too tired to answer tonight, Caddy ... but, you know I will!

  101. [101] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    ... something to do with his car, indubitabubbly. :-)

  102. [102] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Let's take this precious time we've been given and just ... chill.

  103. [103] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Yeah, I get the impression that he's an auto mechanic, at least of the shade tree variety. Us hillbillies got game, up here all by our lonesome and such.

  104. [104] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    No worries Elizabeth.

    ... and life goes on,
    Within you
    And without you ;)

  105. [105] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    caddy,

    Maybe it's an accident. Or maybe it's not.

    I know. I've wondered just that every time it's happened so far. Maybe Don Harris showed up at his door and CW is too busy wrestling him to attend to the website.

    News at eleven.

  106. [106] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    G'Nite, y'all.

  107. [107] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Pleasant dreams ...

  108. [108] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale [33]

    Disney is now going to have to pay tens of millions in dollars every year... Those tax payments will more than offset any taxes that might have fallen to the Floridians in those areas...

    OH MY GODD! YES, Disney will now have to pay TENS OF MILLIONS IN TAXES!?!? That is a HUGE tax break for Disney! Reedy Creek’s yearly budget is over $156 million…which Disney has paid in taxes every year! Neither of the two counties that will now have to absorb Disney into their budgets have corporate tax rates that are set at the high rates that Reedy Creek’s are. Those counties cannot tax Disney at a higher rate than it charges other corporations in their county and they cannot raise their taxes to Disney’s Reedy Creek levels because only Disney could afford those rates!

    Reedy Creek was created in part to give Disney the freedom to tax themselves at a higher rate to cover the services that were unique to Disney’s corporate image. The fire trucks in the park can have Disney characters painted on them that way. County fire trucks do not get to have those Disney characters on them if everyone in the county are paying for those trucks, nor should they!

    I know that this goes against what we think of how corporations typically treat taxes, but these special purpose districts are actually created when corporations want county services that are a much higher quality than what most citizens are willing or able to pay for! These aren’t federal taxes that fund countless programs across the world… these are specific taxes that are only paying for the services that Disney wants and is willing to pay!

    Disney was well aware that it would be wrong to force the citizens of their counties to pay for the quality of services that they wanted and were willing to pay for. Special purpose districts save the tax paying public billions of dollars in taxes every year. Your Governor has screwed Floridans just to make him look like he’s tough. For people who are always screaming about how private companies are attacking their First Amendment rights, it’s odd that you have no issue when the government is attempting to silence a corporation illegally.

  109. [109] 
    Michale wrote:

    Kick,

    And, one more thing..

    you can only eliminate safe abortions.

    Democrats should have been happy with SAFE, LEGAL and RARE and not gone DARK SIDE in #CELEBRATING their infanticide and #SHOUT OUT their baby killing, eh??

    Democrats could have had their SAFE, LEGAL and RARE abortions if they only would have been satisfied with their SAFE, LEGAL and RARE abortions, eh?? :^/

  110. [110] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    , it’s odd that you have no issue when the government is attempting to silence a corporation illegally.

    First off, there are no facts to support your claim.

    Second of all, no, that's not odd..

    What's ODD is that YOU have no issue when BLM tries to silence corporations illegally by threats and extortion..

    But let the government obey the will of the people and bring a corporate combatant to heel???

    THAT you have a problem with??

    THAT is what is very VERY odd here...

  111. [111] 
    Michale wrote:

    No Comments yet on “How Far Is "Too Far" For Today's Republicans?”

    Comments for this article are closed.

    Well, THIS is certainly an interesting development...

    Maybe it's an accident. Or maybe it's not.

    Time will tell...

  112. [112] 
    Michale wrote:

    Pro-abortion groups target churches for Mother's Day protests

    Organizers targeted churches for protest, claiming that 'six extremist Catholics set out to overturn Roe'

    Pro-abortion activists are targeting Catholic churches for protests on Mother's Day, with some citing the Roman Catholic faith of multiple justices who reportedly at one point supported the leaked draft opinion striking down Roe v. Wade.

    The protests follow days of organizing in front of the Supreme Court building following the leak Monday night – protests that led the Washington, D.C., police to erect a fence ostensibly to protect the building and justices within. Fox News has also learned that there has been a strong police presence at the justices' homes following the leak.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pro-abortion-groups-target-churches-for-mothers-day-protests

    Nothing says VOTE DEMOCRAT!!! like targeting churches and SCOTUS Justices with hate and violence.. :^/

    THIS will definitely incentivize patriotic Americans to vote for Democrats in November.. :^/

    Someone remind me again how all these calls to violence will help Democrats in November???

    I seem to have forgotten what with all the FACTS to the contrary... :^/

  113. [113] 
    Michale wrote:

    Remember all those things that Democrats claim that CAN be done to forestall the uber nuclear biblical shellacking??

    Biden is close to the point of no return with Americans on the economy
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/05/politics/biden-economy-analysis/index.html

    Apparently, Democrats are not interested in putting in the work.. :^/

  114. [114] 
    Michale wrote:

    President Joe Biden and his administration appear perilously close to an irreversible severing of public confidence in his capacity to deliver prosperity and financial security as stiff economic challenges balloon into huge political liabilities.

    A CNN poll released Wednesday shows that the President's repeated efforts to highlight undeniably strong aspects of the economy's post-pandemic rebound and to offset blame for its bad spots aren't working.

    The main culprit is inflation, a corrosive force that the White House initially underestimated and has failed to tame. It's been decades since Americans have experienced this demoralizing cycle of spiraling costs for basic goods and services. That shock is twinned with punishing gasoline prices that also hammer family budgets and spread pain across the population -- in a way that a regular recession, which can destroy millions of jobs but not hurt everyone -- may not.

    The result is a looming political disaster for Democrats, with voters in a disgruntled mood ahead of midterm elections that were already historically tough for a first-term President.

    It's gonna be a fun time to be an American this summer.. :D

  115. [115] 
    Kick wrote:

    MtnCaddy
    91

    Okay it's an OU thang first and foremost. I'm a Michigan Man and have strong feelings for Michigan Football and Michigan Basketball!

    Michigan Basketball? Never heard of it.

    Naw, lemme rephrase the question: what's your new Texas District after redistricting? I think I went from Strong Repug CA-8 to Competitive CA-23, as it turns out.

    The only change to my congressional district was the (further) gerrymandering to make it more White... like they (mostly) all were.

    April 1993. No timeouts remaining. You're down 2 points, clock ticking, 11 seconds remaining in the game.

    Question: What do you do?

    Better Question: What don't you do? ;)

  116. [116] 
    Michale wrote:

    Justice Alito's draft opinion on abortion is a courageous gift to American children
    The opinion dismantles with great precision the many sagging lies that have upheld Roe for nearly half a century. It obliterates the viability standard, for example, as an arcane one founded on rusty science and on weak moral reasoning.

    It soundly rejects the notion that stare decisis protects bad law forever and quotes from countless scholars on the left to make the case. And it rebukes the assertion that societal reliance on a bad law is grounds for permanence, pointing out that the same reasoning is what the court first used when it "blessed racial segregation."

    WE DID IT!: U.N. climate change report says we're on the path to an 'unlivable' planet.

    But perhaps most notable is the courage that undergirds the writing. Justice Alito writes: “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”

    If the leakers think that a man who writes like this and the justices who stand boldly behind his words will be kowtowed by the wails of the elite, by the theatrics of red capes and by angry hashtags, then they betray their own blind desperation.

    Nonetheless, the leak has given Americans the gift of seeing the truth come tearing out of the halls of justice. It’s truth we are ready for.

    And it's truth we desperately need if we are to begin the work of building up a culture where women can truly flourish without curtailing the civil rights of an entire class of people.
    https://news.yahoo.com/justice-alitos-draft-opinion-abortion-203813877.html

    Something that has been COMPLETELY ignored in Weigantia is the FACT that many Democrat scholars and legal pundits have ALSO condemned Roe v Wade as bad law..

    Even the vaunted RGB has condemned Roe v Wade as bad law..

    So, when Democrats whine and complain about RvW being overturned, the *ONLY* arguments they can make are hysterical and emotional arguments without a lick of logic or fact..

  117. [117] 
    Michale wrote:

    Good morning, Kick!! You must be on east coast time like me!! :D

    Welcome back... You were surely missed.. :D

  118. [118] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yet, the leak feels more like the death rattle of a movement that has fought to keep decisions about how to regulate abortion out of the American people's hands for generations.

    Alito demonstrates legal courage
    The leak also is a misfire. If anything, the leak has given the American people a preview of the kind of constitutionalism that voters crave and a glimpse of the legal courage we have yearned for.

    The draft opinion’s greatest gift is its clarity. “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” writes Justice Samuel Alito. “The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision.”

    One has to admire Justice Alito's courage and wisdom..

    No mealy mouthed opinions here.. Straight to the heart of the matter...

    ROE V WADE MUST BE OVERRULED

    "Mr Gambini. That was a meaningful, insightful, well thought out objection... OVERRULED.."
    -Judge Chamberlain Hollar, MY COUSIN VINNY

    :D

    What a great day it's going to be today, eh?? :D

  119. [119] 
    Kick wrote:

    Elizabeth Miller
    99

    Oh, Chris is just having some technical issues ...

    If you can definitely post on this commentary but not post on that other one: That isn't "technical issues." That's no comments allowed... on purpose.

  120. [120] 
    Michale wrote:

    Perhaps the greatest thing to be feared from a ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization was another muddled opinion full of lofty language and lacking legal clarity that would have dragged out the years of legalized abortion for many decades more.

    The fight over abortion has raged precisely because the court, both in Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, hijacked the issue from the American voters and left the lower courts and legislatures with an illegible road map for implementation. That legacy has gnawed away at the fabric of our culture and has wormed its way into nearly every issue in politics.

    We need a clean break from Roe, and the leaked opinion gives us the way to make that break.

    Yes, we DO need a clean break from the bad law that is Roe V Wade.

    And, thanx to the wisdom of the conservative SCOTUS Justices and the awesomeness that is President Trump...

    A clean break we shall have..

    All that's left now is for Democrats to attack hundreds of government buildings... So much so that the 6 Jan Committee will look like the political farce that it is with Democrats attacking and destroying hundreds of government buildings as the 6 Jan Committee's backdrop.. :D

    Couldn't ask for a more perfect storm of events, eh?? :D

  121. [121] 
    Michale wrote:

    Kick,

    If you can definitely post on this commentary but not post on that other one: That isn't "technical issues." That's no comments allowed... on purpose.

    That's an AWESOME insight, Kick.. Really.. :D

    But I have to disagree.. You can be forgiven, not being here as long as Liz or JL or I, but there has been a couple of occasions where Weigantian administration has made an error and forgot to check the box that says COMMENTS OPEN or some such like that..

    Given our vast history with Weigantia, we see this as simply an error on the administration's part and not some sort of agenda..

    Could be wrong, but that's the way the history of Weigantia indicates it...

    I hope you have the most wonderful'est day, Kick!! :D

  122. [122] 
    Michale wrote:

    Given our vast history with Weigantia, we see this as simply an error on the administration's part and not some sort of agenda..

    Of course, that's the ROYAL "we" and not me speaking for LIZ or JL.... :D

  123. [123] 
    Michale wrote:

    Are we really shocked that the draft opinion in the most significant Supreme Court case in 50 years was leaked? We certainly should be, as the leak is, to quote legal scholar Carter Snead, a “shocking act of betrayal and a breathtaking breach of ethics.”

    To those who don’t follow Supreme Court politicking closely, the leak matters because it is an act of corruption of the highest order, one that appears to have been done to exert political pressure on the justices to change their opinions.

    The justices represent the one branch of government that was designed to be independent of political pressure. The leaker strikes at the heart of the American system of government and its design.

    Who has the motive to attack the Judicial Branch the most??

    It's obvious that the leaker is a clerk for Kagan, Breyer or Sotomayer...

    It might even be one of the actual liberal Justices..

    Breyer is a Short Timer and doesn't have anything to lose. He might like the idea of going out a progressive hero... But Breyer is pretty laid back and doesn't seem interested in being a progressive hero...

    My bet is Sotomayer.. She seems hysterical and is a progressive before she is anything else.. Plus she is the confirmed racist of the group...

    So, yea.. I could definitely see Sotomayer being the guilty one..

  124. [124] 
    Michale wrote:

    Breyer is a Short Timer and doesn't have anything to lose. He might like the idea of going out a progressive hero... But Breyer is pretty laid back and doesn't seem interested in being a progressive hero...

    Breyer is FIGMO :D

    There's one just for you, MC... :D

  125. [125] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yunno.. When you analyze the motives of the SCOTUS leaker, you just have to realize how utterly stoopid they are..

    Well, their progressive, so stoopid kinda goes hand in hand with that..

    The obvious motive for the leaker is to create such a firestorm that one of the conservative justices will get scared and change their vote..

    This is where the leaker's stoopidity comes in..

    Does the Left HONESTLY think that ANY of the 5 justices will lose their nerve???

    Com'on!! Justice Thomas nerves of steel are well documented.. Alito's nerves are also on display in the actual opinion of the court...

    Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Barret were put on the court SOLELY for this purpose, according to the Leftist mythos... So THEY are not going to bend...

    The stoopidity of progressives never ceases to amaze me..

    Far from actually changing the outcome of baby killing in America, this progressive was too smart by half and might have actually GUARANTEED this outcome..

    Like the Klingons in ISHMAEL, this progressive by their own actions, brought about the very effect they had hoped to prevent.. :D

    Ya just GOTS to marvel at progressive stoopidity, eh?? :D

  126. [126] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michale [110]

    What's ODD is that YOU have no issue when BLM tries to silence corporations illegally by threats and extortion..

    I already told you why I do not support BLM and if BLM ever did what you describe, I’d be happy to speak out. But I’m not interested in discussing your weak attempt at sidestepping the conversation we were engaged in…

    Do YOU understand now how Disney will pay far less taxes if Reedy Creek’s special purpose district is shut down? Of course, since FL’s constitution states that the State must pay all debts owed by a SPD if it wants to shut it down, Florida will have to pay off the debt that Reedy Creek’s bonds hold — over $1 billion dollars. This is only a win for DeSantis if the Republican base is willing to buy his lie! Just like with how Trump’s misinformation regarding the dangers associated with the virus led to the death of hundreds of thousands thanks to COVID-19, trusting Republicans when it comes to money issues never ends well for anyone but the rich.

  127. [127] 
    Kick wrote:

    ListenWhenYouHear
    108

    OH MY GODD! YES, Disney will now have to pay TENS OF MILLIONS IN TAXES!?!? That is a HUGE tax break for Disney! Reedy Creek’s yearly budget is over $156 million…which Disney has paid in taxes every year! Neither of the two counties that will now have to absorb Disney into their budgets have corporate tax rates that are set at the high rates that Reedy Creek’s are.

    Russ, hi! Nice post. You're correct, of course. DeSantis lied, and the right-wing propaganda media took it from there and amped up those fabrications and then we (naturally) see the lies regurgitated here. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    Example: "Disney is now going to have to pay tens of millions in dollars every year."

    The right-wing propaganda falsehoods generally fall along the lines of: "Disney was tax-exempt and now they're going to have to pay" or "they had a sweet deal where they barely paid any taxes, and now they're going to pay tens of millions."

    Why sugarcoat it? That is just an outright lie from the Governor of Florida and the right-wing propaganda machine.

    The facts: Disney already pays state and local taxes in the hundreds of millions every year. In 2021, Walt Disney World paid $780.3 million in state and local taxes. This is also not some kind of super secret information kept from the public because it's included in Disney's financial reports since they're publicly traded and have been since 1957! There are rules; the rules aren't a secret!

    Disney doesn't escape property taxes either, which tax assessment is also public record because rules:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dw3uqlrs9PB6Zs28KERSko0UFwJkLy9V/view

    Reedy Creek was created in part to give Disney the freedom to tax themselves at a higher rate to cover the services that were unique to Disney’s corporate image.

    Exactly... so as not to pass on those higher costs to the residents of the two counties.

    Your Governor has screwed Floridans just to make him look like he’s tough.

    Yes, sir... the effects of the action are even written right there into SB 4-C, which is also public record because of those pesky rules.

    Unless otherwise provided by law or ordinance, when there is dissolution of a special district government, the special district transfers the title to all property owned by the preexisting special district to the local general-purpose government, either a county or municipality, which shall also assume all indebtedness of the preexisting special district.

    ~ The Florida Senate, Bill Analysis and Fiscal Impact Statement, page 4 (public record)

    Disney has bond debt that will now (by law) belong to the taxpayers of Florida. Florida already knows this because it's written right there in that "impact statement" that is public record. The two counties (by law) will now have to provide the services that Reedy Creek used to provide, like you already said, services to the tune of millions of dollars.

    Those are the facts. :)

  128. [128] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    I already told you why I do not support BLM and if BLM ever did what you describe, I’d be happy to speak out.

    And yet, you NEVER have..

    As I said.. That's very odd, wouldn't you agree.. :D

    Do YOU understand now how Disney will pay far less taxes if Reedy Creek’s special purpose district is shut down?

    Not factually accurate..

    Disney pays NO TAXES now because they are their own county..

    Now that Disney will no longer be their own county, NOW Disney will have to pay taxes and fees to the county..

    Your claims are completely bogus..

    Irregardless of the fact-less nature of your claims, you still haven't addressed WHY you want to protect a big corp from paying their fair share..

    Just because they have gone WOKE and you like woke?? :^/

    Why are you on the side of Big Corp and NOT the American people??

    You refuse to answer that which, I guess, is an answer in itself.. :D

  129. [129] 
    Michale wrote:

    I won't even bother to point out that the majority of Democrats **SUPPORT** the law that Disney is fighting..

    "I know you don't have a good excuse so I won't force you to come up with a bad one."
    -Capt Whitaker

    Why are you against Democrats and fighting on the side of Big Corp not paying their fair share, Russ???

  130. [130] 
    Michale wrote:

    OOOooooo It's just so AWESOME to have company in the early morning hours!!!

    WOOOT!!!!!!!

  131. [131] 
    Michale wrote:

    School attempts to hide student's gender transition from parents, pushes LGBTQ+ content for middle schoolers

    Emails obtained by Fox News Digital reveal middle school staff encouraging the creation of a LGBTQ-related club at their school
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/school-hide-students-gender-transition-lgbtq-content-parents

    This is why the FL Parental Rights Anti-Groomer law is so popular with Democrats in FL..

    Because there is a REAL need to fight Left Wing indoctrination in our schools..

  132. [132] 
    Michale wrote:

    "It is unconscionable for any teacher to go behind a parent's back to meddle in a child's mental, physical and emotional health. While us concerned parents get called domestic terrorists, it's the radical ideologues who actually threaten, harass, and intimidate parents who object to their woke agenda. No Left Turn in Education is standing up for these families and is holding officials accountable for enforcing the laws that are supposed to protect our kids."

    Word.....

  133. [133] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    109

    Democrats should have been happy with SAFE, LEGAL and RARE and not gone DARK SIDE in #CELEBRATING their infanticide and #SHOUT OUT their baby killing, eh??

    You're lumping all Democrats into one category as if Republicans and NPAs aren't getting abortions. You're also making another false equivalency between attempts to "destigmatize" with "celebrating."

    Democrats could have had their SAFE, LEGAL and RARE abortions if they only would have been satisfied with their SAFE, LEGAL and RARE abortions, eh?? :^/

    You seem to be implying that the SCOTUS draft opinion is actually current law and is retribution to punish the exercise of freedom of speech... which would actually violate the First Amendment to the Constitution in violation of sworn oath.

    Regardless of their political affiliation, abortion is still legal to Americans in multiple states in America and multiple other countries worldwide.

    Ain't that right, Canada? :)

  134. [134] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    117

    Good morning, Kick!!

    It's a great morning, which qualifies as good, I suppose.

    Welcome back...

    I never left.

    You were surely missed.. :D

    The fun thing about all this obsequiousness is the fact that it's archived. :)

  135. [135] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hi Kick!!

    Thanx for the awesome response.. It's SOOOO appreciated.. :D

    You're lumping all Democrats into one category as if Republicans and NPAs aren't getting abortions.

    I make no assessments as to who is and is not killing their babies...

    I simply point out the FACT that Democrats USED to be all about baby killing being "SAFE, LEGAL and RARE"

    It's factually apparent that today's Democrats became unsatisfied with having their baby killing "SAFE, LEGAL and RARE" and wanted to actually #CELEBRATE their infanticide and #SHOUT OUT their baby killing..

    Such glee at baby killing prompted a push back from sane and rational patriotic Americans..

    I can also assure you that the Republicans and NPAs who ARE killing their babies are NOT #SHOUTING OUT their baby killing or even #CELEBRATING their baby killing..

    THAT disgusting and perverse trait is ONLY from your Democrat Party... :eyeroll:

    You seem to be implying that the SCOTUS draft opinion is actually current law and is retribution to punish the exercise of freedom of speech...

    It will be law and it's not punishment for free speech, but rather correcting an egregious wrong that has resulted in over 60 MILLION deaths of gestating humans..

    I meerly point out the FACT that Democrats could have had their "SAFE, LEGAL and RARE" baby killing if they would have just been content with their "SAFE, LEGAL and RARE" baby killing..

    Regardless of their political affiliation, abortion is still legal to Americans in multiple states in America and multiple other countries worldwide.

    Then you and your Democrats have absolutely NOTHING to complain about, n'est-ce pas?? :D

    It's a great morning, which qualifies as good, I suppose.

    It is, indeed, a great morning!! :D

    The fun thing about all this obsequiousness is the fact that it's archived. :)

    "I know, right!!"
    -Felix, WRECK IT RALPH

    That means we can peruse these historic words time and time again to see how awesome it is that we're besties, eh!!

    "Ain't it cool!!"
    -John Travolta, BROKEN ARROW

    :D

  136. [136] 
    Michale wrote:

    Kick,

    But thanks for joining us so early in the morning.. It's often quite lonely here til people starting waking up to start their new day..

    I hope this becomes a habit that you and I can share the morning together.. :D

    That would just be SOOOO grand... :D

  137. [137] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    121

    But I have to disagree..

    No, you don't "have to disagree"... you've chosen to disagree.

    You can be forgiven,...

    I need no one's forgiveness.

    ... not being here as long as Liz or JL or I, but there has been a couple of occasions where Weigantian administration has made an error and forgot to check the box that says COMMENTS OPEN or some such like that..

    I could have joined the board yesterday and still have been correct in stating that it isn't a "technical error." In fact, if Chris's blog is always set up in such a manner that he has to "check the box" every time in order to allow comments, then that's technically the way it's set up. If Chris failed to check the box like he (almost) always does in order to overcome the technical fact, then that's a "human error."

    Given our vast history with Weigantia, we see this as simply an error on the administration's part and not some sort of agenda..

    I presume by your use of the terms "our" and "we" that you're presuming to speak for "Liz or JL or I" in the same manner you frequently lump people in categories and speak for them. I presume by your use of the word "agenda" that you presume that my post implied some sort of "lockout" on Chris's part... which it did not.

    Could be wrong, but that's the way the history of Weigantia indicates it...

    I don't presume to speak for anyone else, but you're definitely wrong if you presumed that me saying it wasn't a technical error was some kind of "agenda" on the author's part. I was simply stating it wasn't a "technical error" on his website since it was working just fine. :)

  138. [138] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Kick,

    Why must you most ALWAYS be so darned argumentative?

  139. [139] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    ... and so sensitve, too? :)

  140. [140] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    This ain't the place for argumentative and sensitive people. I mean, you can choose to be one or the other but not BOTH, for GOD'S sake, girl! Heh.

  141. [141] 
    Michale wrote:

    Expect Antifa terror to ramp up as abortion rallies hit the streets

    Antifa poses a greater threat to the community with pro-abortion rallies, than it did during BLM protests

    Violent Antifa activists are active again in Portland and Seattle, inspired by a leaked draft of a Supreme Court decision this week reversing Roe v. Wade. Neither city is ready for a repeat of Black Lives Matter-inspired left-wing riots and vandalism. But Antifa is now more dangerous than ever.

    Antifa operates most effectively during left-wing movements where they rely on partisan media outlets and like-minded politicians to either justify or ignore their violence. It’s one reason why they pose an enormous threat as pro-abortion activists take to the streets to protest a Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.

    In 2020, after the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, Antifa extremists exploited the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement. They viciously attacked cops and their political opponents (even murdering one), destroyed property, and took communities hostage with self-governing autonomous zones. They faced little resistance from BLM activists and politicians who benefited politically from the violence.

    The goal was to intimidate progressive politicians and silence opposition in order to defund, and eventually abolish, the police. They were largely successful, pushing progressive cities into sweeping changes to policing, while simultaneously cutting police budgets.
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/antifa-terror-abortion-rallies-jason-rantz

    "I already told you why I do not support BLM and if BLM ever did what you describe, I’d be happy to speak out. "
    -Russ

    You had a chance to speak out against AntiFa on DOZENS... HUNDREDS of occasions..

    But you refused to even concede that AntiFa even existed..

    So, please.. Don't give me that BS tripe on how you condemn intimidation tactics.. You SUPPORT intimidation tactics when it suits the Democrat hate America agenda...

    This has been well established as fact...

    But hay... In the spirit of Weigantian Amity, let's condemn the Democrat/AntiFa/BLM intimidation tactics together.. We have Democrats/AntiFa pushing violent intimidation against churches, SCOTUS Justices and Republicans..

    Being the awesome person that I am, I will allow you to condemn the evil Democrats/AntiFa first.. :D

    Naw, no need to thank me.. :D

  142. [142] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ach!!! I have been remiss in my courtesy...

    Kick, thank you again SOO MUCH for showing me BLOCKQUOTE..

    I am sure everyone joins me in thanking you.. It's a big part of what makes Weigantia so much more enjoyable..

    So, thanx a bunch.. Yer a peach.. :D

  143. [143] 
    Michale wrote:

    I'll just let #37 slide..

    It's likely just a bad date on Kick's part.. :D

    No harm, no foul.. :D

  144. [144] 
    Michale wrote:

    DOH!! That would be #137.... My bust...

  145. [145] 
    Michale wrote:

    It looks like 2022, like 2020, is going to be a summer of "mostly peaceful" riots here in the US..

    Just think, Russ.. You'll have ALL the opportunity to condemn the Democrat/AntiFa/BLM riots you claim you want to.. :D

    Won't that be so grand???

  146. [146] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    122

    Given our vast history with Weigantia, we see this as simply an error on the administration's part and not some sort of agenda..

    ~ Michale

    Of course, that's the ROYAL "we" and not me speaking for LIZ or JL.... :D

    Given your vast archived history with Weigantia and the fact you (almost) never refer to yourself using the terms "we" and "our"... and the fact you (almost) always speak for all kinds of posters here by assigning them words on their behalf that they never said, I'm going to disagree that you weren't presuming to speak for Liz or JL.

    I will give you credit for catching yourself in the doing of it; that's certainly progress.

    Now please kindly extend that self-awareness and stop speaking for me. I won't presume to speak for Russ, but I feel certain he too would be positively overjoyed if you would extend that self-awareness to him and stop putting words in his mouth that he never stated. I know this because I've read his multiple dead-on-accurate posts imploring you to stop asking him to defend positions he never took and/or to deny words he never stated.

    Good talk. :)

  147. [147] 
    Michale wrote:

    After the draft opinion to overturn Roe v. Wade leaked, a mob of activists formed at the Supreme Court. By the next day, the mob had grown, inspiring rallies and marches across the country, some turning in violent. In the Pacific Northwest, progressive activists never sit out a political fight.

    Hundreds of activists gathered at Lownsdale Square in downtown Portland to protest the Court’s decision. Holding signs claiming that "Women will die" and "We will not go backward," activists promised to "abort the Supreme Court."

    Later that evening, Antifa terrorists smashed windows of local businesses, vandalized property, and started fires. Police say the criminals threw incendiary devices at the Mark O. Hatfield U.S. Courthouse. There was one arrest

    Similarly, dozens of Antifa took part in a Seattle-based pro-abortion march. They appeared to have little interest in the actual issue, instead taking the opportunity to march to the East Police Precinct, the site of 2020’s Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, to chant, "I smell Nazis" while waving lit flares in the air. They held a sign reading, "Burn our rights, we burn ur state" with an anarchist symbol. While on the march, they allegedly destroyed a local TV station’s video equipment.

    Let's all join together and condemn these Democrat riotous activities with the same fervor and passion that ya'all condemned the 6 Jan riots..

    Mmmm'kay??? :D

  148. [148] 
    Michale wrote:

    Kick,

    Given your vast archived history with Weigantia and the fact you (almost) never refer to yourself using the terms "we" and "our"...

    When one considers that I was THE VERY FIRST REAL commenter in Weigantia and have been posting for over 16 years, your "almost never" is actually QUITE a few times.. :D

    I won't presume to speak for Russ, but I feel certain he too would be positively overjoyed if you would extend that self-awareness to him and stop putting words in his mouth that he never stated.

    You DO realize that you said you wouldn't speak for Russ, but then turned right around and spoke for Russ.. :D

    hehehehehe 'S Okay... I understand..

    You are still having a hard time adjusting to the new dynamic here when you and I are besties..

    's OKAY.. I'll give you that time.. :D

    Naw, don't thank me.. It's the least I can do.. :D

    Good talk. :)

    No.. GREAT talk!!! ;D

  149. [149] 
    Kick wrote:

    ListenWhenYouHear
    126

    Your 126 and my 127 posted... exact same time. :)

  150. [150] 
    Michale wrote:

    Antifa is most active in the Pacific Northwest and this time, they may be organizing their terror as police departments are starved of resources and staff. Police were barely able to handle sustained Antifa violence before they were defunded and experienced a mass exodus of staff. What do you think happens when departments that are down hundreds of cops are faced with armed criminals causing chaos?

    Portland and Seattle residents may rue the day they let their Democratic political leaders dismantle their respective police departments.

    Antifa, however, may celebrate the ease by which they are able to wreak havoc once again.

    Who would have POSSIBLY thunked that THIS would be the result of Democrats and their DEFUND, DEMORALIZE, DEMONIZE THE POLICE policies...????

    Oh.. Wait....

  151. [151] 
    Michale wrote:

    ... and so sensitve, too? :)

    https://giphy.com/gifs/major-payne-sensitive-vardoeger-AZvMr2XNJIxPi
    "SEN...SA.....TIVE!!"
    -Major Payne, MAJOR PAYNE

  152. [152] 
    Michale wrote:

    Looks like Bare Shelves Biden has a new press mouth piece..

    Meet Jean Claude... :D

    Psaki chokes up as she introduces her 'partner in truth' Karine Jean-Pierre as Biden's new press secretary: Openly-LGBTQ deputy will be first black woman to take job on May 13 - when Jen leaves and likely goes to MSNBC
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10787259/Biden-announces-Karine-Jean-Pierre-replace-Jen-Psaki-new-press-secretary.html

    And she is an LBQTPABCXYZEIEIO'er too!!! :D

    "Now, I don't know what all that means, but it sounds pretty bad.."
    -Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN

    :D

  153. [153] 
    Michale wrote:

    You can’t be born in the wrong body

    The science behind gender ideology is dubious at best
    https://unherd.com/2022/05/you-cant-be-born-in-the-wrong-body/

    Democrats' gender "science" is nothing more than very poorly disguised Democrat activism..

  154. [154] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    (95-105)-
    "Well ain't this a revolting development."
    -Slip Mahoney

    Perhaps we have a newer new dynamic. :D

    Though it may not be all that new as many of the comments have been "off" for quite a while here. :D

  155. [155] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    128

    Disney pays NO TAXES now because they are their own county..

    Totally incorrect.

    Disney is publicly traded and, as such, they are required to disclose (by law) a litany of information to the public and their shareholders.

    https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/investor-relations/

    Now that Disney will no longer be their own county, NOW Disney will have to pay taxes and fees to the county..

    Disney isn't a county, and Disney already pays taxes and fees to two actual counties and the state... hundreds of millions of dollars in state and local taxes that are easily searchable public record so aren't up for debate.

    Your claims are completely bogus..

    Your claims resemble your remark. Russ is dead-on accurate.

  156. [156] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hi Kick,

    Thanx so much for the response.. It's really REALLY appreciated..

    I completely understand why you would agree with Russ.. Neither of ya'all actually live here in Florida and don't understand the nuances of Florida living.. :D

    Suffice it to say that the majority of Democrats here in FL support the Parental Rights Anti-Groomer bill, so we're doing OK..

    As always, I really REALLY appreciate your input.. :D

    Thanx so much.. Yer a peach.. :D

  157. [157] 
    Michale wrote:

    Let's all join together and condemn these Democrat riotous activities with the same fervor and passion that ya'all condemned the 6 Jan riots..

    Mmmm'kay??? :D

    No one wants to condemn Democrat AntiFa???

    "Gee!!! I wonder why that is!!???"
    -Kevin Spacey, THE NEGOTIATOR

  158. [158] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oh.. And if Americans get 50K towards paying their student debt, then it's only fair that OTHER Americans get 50K towards paying their mortgage...

  159. [159] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    ... and other Americans get 50K towards paying their rent.

    And other Americans get 50K to pay off medical bills.

    And other Americans get 50K to pay their taxes that will be needed to pay off all the other Americans. :D

  160. [160] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Then there will be plenty of jobs in all those new agencies to administer all those pay offs which will allow more people to pay off their student debt.

    What could go wrong with that? :D

  161. [161] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    135

    I make no assessments as to who is and is not killing their babies...

    Democrats should have been happy with SAFE, LEGAL and RARE and not gone DARK SIDE in #CELEBRATING their infanticide and #SHOUT OUT their baby killing, eh??

    ~ Michale

    *

    Incorrect. You definitely claim that "Democrats" are by describing it as "their infanticide" and "their baby killing."

    I simply point out the FACT that Democrats USED to be all about baby killing being "SAFE, LEGAL and RARE"

    You (royal you) can almost never lump all Democrats into one category and claim to be speaking a "FACT."

    It's factually apparent that today's Democrats became unsatisfied with having their baby killing "SAFE, LEGAL and RARE" and wanted to actually #CELEBRATE their infanticide and #SHOUT OUT their baby killing..

    It's factually apparent that you believe your opinions are facts that apply to an entire group.

    I can also assure you that the Republicans and NPAs who ARE killing their babies are NOT #SHOUTING OUT their baby killing or even #CELEBRATING their baby killing..

    No, you factually cannot assure me of that since I know a Republican who's out marching right now and publicly speaking about her abortion in order to destigmatize it.

    THAT disgusting and perverse trait is ONLY from your Democrat Party... :eyeroll:

    I'm not a Democrat... never have been and never will be. I wouldn't be ashamed if I was; I'm just not. You can post that (or any other) lie a million times and it will not magically make it a fact, but it will definitely be wasting your time.

    It will be law and it's not punishment for free speech, but rather correcting an egregious wrong that has resulted in over 60 MILLION deaths of gestating humans..

    It's a really early draft that will never be law. Having read it in its entirety, I highly suspect it will be drastically changed when it's handed down since the draft as written would make a lot more than abortion illegal... basically anything that's not in the Constitution could be barred by law and cite that draft opinion. For instance, you'd have the right to bear arms but not the right to have ammunition that could kill humans of all ages since that's not specifically guaranteed in the Constitution.

    I meerly point out the FACT that Democrats could have had their "SAFE, LEGAL and RARE" baby killing if they would have just been content with their "SAFE, LEGAL and RARE" baby killing..

    As I said, abortion is still legal in multiple states in America and countries in the world; you merely repeating your opinion that singles out Democrats for blame doesn't change that fact.

    Then you and your Democrats have absolutely NOTHING to complain about, n'est-ce pas?? :D

    You may or may not have noticed that it's you who are obsessing over this in dang near every post.

    Agree with the remainder of the post! :)

  162. [162] 
    Kick wrote:

    Elizabeth Miller
    138|139

    Why must you most ALWAYS be so darned argumentative?

    I'm responding to someone who wished to argue the point I made. If you've got an issue with that, you might want to avert your eyes from the "muscular debate."

    ... and so sensitve, too? :)

    You're definitely reading something into there that absolutely isn't there if you believe I'm sensitive. :)

  163. [163] 
    Michale wrote:

    The public disagrees with Pelosi on abortion

    But even if Democrats could set aside the fact that economic woes crowd other matters out, it’s not clear they’d benefit electorally from controversy over Roe. They routinely overstate public support for the party’s abortion policies. Although 57% in one poll said abortion should be mostly legal, 43% want it banned outright or permitted only in special circumstances.

    Fully 75% reject the claim that it is simply “a woman’s right to choose.” Most actually agree with the 15 weeks' gestation threshold of the Mississippi law that the Supreme Court is adjudicating. Democrats call the law extreme, but the public doesn’t agree. Pro-abortion slogans from noisy protesters on the court steps don’t reflect public opinion. Activist rhetoric never does. Democrats are drinking their own Kool-Aid when they suggest otherwise.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/the-public-disagrees-with-pelosi-on-abortion

    Democrats need to come to grip with the FACT that they have sunk so low and so far, there is no way up from where they currently reside...

  164. [164] 
    Kick wrote:

    Elizabeth Miller
    140

    This ain't the place for argumentative and sensitive people.

    You are certainly free to leave if that "muscular debate" you keep claiming to want is too much for you to handle.

    I mean, you can choose to be one or the other but not BOTH, for GOD'S sake, girl! Heh.

    In point of fact, I can choose whatever I wish to be without regard to anyone's incorrect assessment of me. :)

  165. [165] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    143

    I'll just let #37 slide..

    You meant 137, of course.

    It's likely just a bad date on Kick's part.. :D

    Or likely just a really bad date on your part. :D

  166. [166] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    We all have bad dates sometimes. Thanks to you both for maintaining a civil and appropriate tone.

  167. [167] 
    Michale wrote:

    We all have bad dates sometimes. Thanks to you both for maintaining a civil and appropriate tone.

    Could be worse.. We could have had the bad date that the monkey had.. :D

  168. [168] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's funny to hear Democrats whine and cry about wanting to protect baby killing rights for women, but they can't even define what a woman is.. :D

  169. [169] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    148

    When one considers that I was THE VERY FIRST REAL commenter in Weigantia and have been posting for over 16 years, your "almost never" is actually QUITE a few times.. :D

    When one factors in all the months and months you weren't actually posting for all kinds of archived reasons, you actually don't meet your own definition. When one factors in the first comment that's actually archived on the blog:

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2007/04/30/open-letter-to-reid-and-pelosi-re-iraq-bill/#comments

    I don't see your name written on the actual archived first comment; it says "Michael Gass." Yes, I can read the one beneath it, but I don't see an actual comment from you. I definitely see the date on the comment, and it definitely also does not meet your definition.

    I won't presume to speak for Russ, but I feel certain he too would be positively overjoyed if you would extend that self-awareness to him and stop putting words in his mouth that he never stated.

    ~ Kick

    You DO realize that you said you wouldn't speak for Russ, but then turned right around and spoke for Russ.. :D

    I realize you misunderstood the word "presume to speak for" as meaning "wouldn't speak for" and the words "I feel certain he" as putting actual words in his mouth, which I had already explained I wasn't doing with the qualifying language I used that didn't mean what you claimed they meant. Ask Russ if I observed correctly.

    hehehehehe 'S Okay... I understand..

    hehehe... Clearly, you quite obviously did not understand.

    You are still having a hard time adjusting to the new dynamic here when you and I are besties..

    *laughs*

    No.. GREAT talk!!! ;D

    Which qualifies as good, I suppose. :)

  170. [170] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [115]

    April 1993. No timeouts remaining. You're down 2 points, clock ticking, 11 seconds remaining in the game.

    Question: What do you do?

    Better Question: What don't you do? ;)

    Hey, you can just go eff yourself, Kick. I'm gonna hate Texas Basketball for the rest of my life because of this. Punish y'all come tournament time.

  171. [171] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [124]

    Reedy-Alrighty I learned something and I haven't even gotten outta the bed, yet.

  172. [172] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    156

    Thanx so much for the response.. It's really REALLY appreciated..

    No need.

    I completely understand why you would agree with Russ..

    Because he is correct.

    I hope you also understand why I'm disagreeing with your incorrect statements: Because you are totally incorrect and are repeating falsehoods that are easily searchable public record, some of which are required to be disclosed by law.

    Neither of ya'all actually live here in Florida and don't understand the nuances of Florida living.. :D

    No one has to live in Florida to understand a public financial disclosure or to understand easily searchable public records. Your governor or any other right-wing mouthpiece claiming that Disney doesn't pay taxes is right-wing disinformation.

    Suffice it to say that the majority of Democrats here in FL support the Parental Rights Anti-Groomer bill, so we're doing OK..

    Suffice it to say, you frequently move the goalposts when your misinformation is proven to be incorrect.

    As always, I really REALLY appreciate your input.. :D

    You said you wanted someone to prove you wrong if they could... so you'd have been fibbing if you didn't appreciate the actual facts versus the misinformation you've been posting.

    Thanx so much.. Yer a peach.. :D

    I'm more of a pomegranate if we're doing analogies to fruit. :)

  173. [173] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    158

    Oh.. And if Americans get 50K towards paying their student debt, then it's only fair that OTHER Americans get 50K towards paying their mortgage...

    The government has been forgiving student loan debt for decades and decades... nothing new. The fact that they might expand the forgiveness of said loans to include more Americans isn't the equivalent of "paying" the loans. They're simply saying you are no longer required to pay the loan the government holds.

    If OTHER Americans get 50K towards paying their mortgages, what do those of us with no student loans and no mortgages get?

    Try to keep the answers clean, m'kay? :)

  174. [174] 
    Michale wrote:

    I don't see your name written on the actual archived first comment; i

    And yet.....

    Michale --

    -CW

    [...and congratulations, you're the first "real" commenter to post here!]

  175. [175] 
    Michale wrote:

    So all it means is that the first comments were not archived.. :D

    But I understand why you want to call the facts into question.. I'll ignore any subsequent attempts to start a fight.. :D

  176. [176] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    167

    Could be worse.. We could have had the bad date that the monkey had.. :D

    Yep... "bad dates":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU5D-PoE6bs

    Raiders of the Lost Ark

  177. [177] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @m[168],

    Since the advent of human civilization, gender has been determined socially. Genetics and sex organs certainly have played a role in that determination, but they're not one and the same. "Woman" consists of about 99% genetic females, including those who developed atypical sex organs but still are genetically female and identify as female.

    Among the other one percent are those who are genetically XY or atypical, who have atypical sex organs and were assigned female at birth, as well as trans women.

    These are social, not biological, categories, and always have been.

    JL

  178. [178] 
    Kick wrote:

    MtnCaddy
    170

    Hey, you can just go eff yourself, Kick.

    Who me? I'll have you know that I actually had those Wolverines at the top of my bracket, and I was going to win the entire thing and have bragging rights for a year if only Webber shoots and sinks the three at 11 seconds versus doing what he did. I'm still a fan, you know.

    I'm gonna hate Texas Basketball for the rest of my life because of this.

    Too many teams to expend yourself over; save your energy.

    Punish y'all come tournament time.

    I just bet you will... you'll be comin' around here next March... struttin' around like a peacock that just knocked off a 3rd seed... and smashing brackets all over America. :)

  179. [179] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    174

    And yet.....

    Michale --

    -CW

    [...and congratulations, you're the first "real" commenter to post here!]

    Did I not say I saw that?

    And yet... your name is actually not on the first archived comment, and the date it was posted wasn't over 16 years ago... but you were close.

  180. [180] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    175

    So all it means is that the first comments were not archived.. :D

    And the first archived comment isn't yours... unless you are that other Michael whose comment is actually there.

    But I understand why you want to call the facts into question.. I'll ignore any subsequent attempts to start a fight.. :D

    Will you learn some simple math too? :D

  181. [181] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    oh, for clarity's sake and to respond to the ellen pasternack article, i don't mean to imply by separately listing trans women and those who are genetically "atypical" that there isn't a genetic component to being trans, just that not everybody's sex linked chromosomes fit neatly into XX or XY.

    regarding the whole "wrong body" phenomenon, that was a criticism of an author who oversimplified research about brain types. my own judgment is that most human societies have developed gender concepts based on the vast majority who do fit cis norms, so individuals whose emotional development doesn't fit neatly into either social category naturally respond by choosing the category that best fits their feeling. sometimes that concept of self doesn't match their sex organs, so their body feels "wrong" because there's no existing social category that would be 100% "right."

    JL

  182. [182] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Does anyone in the Biden Admin have the courage & decency to speak out in defense of the physical safety of our nine Supreme Court Justices? The doxing & intimidation campaign targeting these Justices is illegal & Jen Psaki just used her platform to green light it."

    Amazing those who hysterically scream about 6 JAN are strangely silent about harassing SCOTUS Justices and their families at their homes..

    Ya'all see why it's hard to get excited about ya'all's 6 Jan hysteria???

    Because it's just nothing but partisan posturing..

  183. [183] 
    Michale wrote:

    so their body feels "wrong" because there's no existing social category that would be 100% "right."

    So what you are saying is, it's all in their head and the only "science" at work here is psychological/psychiatric science..

    OK.. I'll buy that..

  184. [184] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    it's not only in people's heads, it's also in society.

  185. [185] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @m[182],

    january sixth was a criminal riot, whose context differentiated it from similar criminal riots because it was an explicit attempt to prevent the certification of a presidential election result, and injured 140 police officers in the process.

    in my opinion, it's attempts to deny these facts, or to claim equivalency with other criminal riots or non-violent attempts to cast doubt on election results, which are "partisan posturing."

    JL

  186. [186] 
    Kick wrote:

    nypoet22
    185

    You are, of course, correct.

    Also, another insurrectionist has pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate. I am beginning to lose count of those pleading guilty to sedition. Well, not really losing count, but the list grows ever longer.

    A third member of the Oath Keepers pleaded guilty on Wednesday to "seditious conspiracy" and "obstruction of an official proceeding." William Wilson, Joshua James, and Brian Ulrich... guilty and cooperating.

    Wilson conspired with Oath Keepers founder Elmer Stewart Rhodes to "oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power" and also joined others in amassing firearms" on the outskirts of DC — some distributed across hotels and ‘quick reaction force’ (‘QRF‘) teams — and planned to use them in support of their plot to halt the lawful transfer of power."

    Wilson and the other conspirators used Signal, an encrypted messaging app, to engage in numerous communications in the weeks leading up to the riot. In one post on Dec. 14, 2020, Wilson wrote, "It is time to fight!"

    Interesting reading with links to his plea agreement at the bottom of the webpage:

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/leader-north-carolina-chapter-oath-keepers-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and

    in my opinion, it's attempts to deny these facts, or to claim equivalency with other criminal riots or non-violent attempts to cast doubt on election results, which are "partisan posturing."

    Oh, I quite agree. Not a big fan of that whole false equivalency partisan posturing, for sure. :)

  187. [187] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    in my opinion, it's attempts to deny these facts, or to claim equivalency with other criminal riots or non-violent attempts to cast doubt on election results, which are "partisan posturing."

    Of course, the fact that 6 Jan was a RIGHT Wing violent riot and all the OTHER thousands of riots and attacks on HUNDREDS of government buildings were Democrat riots has NOTHING to do with your opinion, eh?? :D

    Remember.. I was born AT night... Not LAST night.. :D

  188. [188] 
    Michale wrote:

    it's not only in people's heads,

    As long as you agree that it IS in people's heads, we're good..

    it's also in society.

    Only because Democrats activists have FORCED it into society...

  189. [189] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Left Wing attack on the integrity of the SCOTUS is more of an insurrection than the 6 Jan protests..

    But, of course, since it's coming from the Democrats, ya'all won't agree to that fact..

    But it's a fact nonetheless...

  190. [190] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    and injured 140 police officers in the process.

    As opposed to the 22+ years of Democrat BLM and AntiFa riots where THOUSANDS of cops were injured and at least 8 cops were brutally ambushed and assassinated..

    But THAT comes from Democrats so that's not important.. :^/

  191. [191] 
    Michale wrote:

    I am actually surprised that the comments haven't been turned on in the new commentary..

    Maybe I was wrong and there IS an agenda at work here..

    It's been known to happen.. :D Me being wrong I mean.. :D

  192. [192] 
    Michale wrote:

    THE HILL recently abandoned it's comments section...

    Maybe the Weigantia Administration decided to do the same..

    Hmmmmmmmm

  193. [193] 
    Michale wrote:

    Awwwww Poor widdle Democrats lose again.. :D

    Judge: Marjorie Taylor Greene is qualified for reelection

    ATLANTA (AP) — A judge in Georgia on Friday found that U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene is qualified to run for reelection, concluding that a group of voters who had challenged her eligibility failed to prove she engaged in insurrection after taking office. But the decision will ultimately be up to Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

    Before reaching his decision, state Administrative Law Judge Charles Beaudrot held a daylong hearing in April that included arguments from lawyers for the voters and for Greene, as well as extensive questioning of Greene herself. He also received extensive briefing from both sides.

    State law says Beaudrot must submit his findings to Raffensperger, who has to decide whether Greene should be removed from the ballot.

    Raffensperger is being challenged by a Trump-backed candidate in this month’s GOP primary and would likely face huge blowback from right-wing voters if he was to disagree with Beaudrot’s finding.
    https://tinyurl.com/2p8ertmn

    Democrats maintain their perfect losing streak.. :D

    WOW It's been a while since I run afoul of the NNL filters...

    Wonder what part of the above tripped the filter...

  194. [194] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK Doing some testing here... Ignore.. :D

    judge-marjorie-taylor-greene-is-qualified-reelection/

  195. [195] 
    Michale wrote:

    fox8live

  196. [196] 
    Michale wrote:

    /2022/05/06/

  197. [197] 
    Michale wrote:

    Wierd.. OH well..

    Continue... :D

  198. [198] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Kick [146 & 149]

    Now please kindly extend that self-awareness and stop speaking for me. I won't presume to speak for Russ, but I feel certain he too would be positively overjoyed if you would extend that self-awareness to him and stop putting words in his mouth that he never stated. I know this because I've read his multiple dead-on-accurate posts imploring you to stop asking him to defend positions he never took and/or to deny words he never stated.

    PREACH!!! You may speak for me anytime you feel it is prudent to do so, my sweet beautiful friend! You’ve only spoken the truth when you have spoken on my behalf; and you only did so because I was not present to do so myself.

    Your 126 and my 127 posted... exact same time. :)

    What are the statistical odds of that happening? Great minds….

    Love you, Kick!

    R

  199. [199] 
    Michale wrote:

    Russ,

    You’ve only spoken the truth when you have spoken on my behalf; and you only did so because I was not present to do so myself.

    And therein lies the problem..

    Ya'all should be speaking FACTS.. Instead, ya'all are speaking your "truth".. Democrat "truth"..

    Which is as far away from FACTS as is possible to be and still be in the same galaxy...

  200. [200] 
    Michale wrote:

    Critical race theory curriculum in K-12 schools is going 'horribly wrong,' teachers say
    'Parents, when we tell you critical race theory isn't taught in our schools we're lying,' a whistleblower said

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/critical-race-theory-curriculum-k12-schools-horribly-wrong-teachers

    Why would teachers lie??

    Because they are DEMOCRATS first and foremost.. And teachers a distant second..

    When Democrat ideology and the welfare of the children come into conflict??

    Teachers will always choose Democrat ideology first..

    Which is sad..

    Things are so much different today from when my lovely wife was a teacher..

  201. [201] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Only because Democrats activists have FORCED it into society...

    no, it has been determined by society for thousands of years before democrats even existed.

  202. [202] 
    Michale wrote:

    White House Won’t Condemn Supreme Doxxing
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/05/06/white_house_wont_condemn_supreme_doxxing__147573.html

    Why won't Democrats condemn SCOTUS Justice Dox'ing???

    Why won't Weigantians condemn this dox'ing??

    Enquiring minds want to know? :D

  203. [203] 
    Michale wrote:

    no, it has been determined by society for thousands of years before democrats even existed.

    Bullshit.. :D

    Show me where gender confusion was a societal concern prior to Democrat activists MAKING it a concern....

    I double-dog dare you.. :D

  204. [204] 
    Michale wrote:

    And the FACTS come out..

    Listen to this article
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    Critical race theory originated in the family of critical studies and seeks to promote what its adherents believe is a pervasive and inescapable racist legacy in the U.S. legal system. The theory has been packaged to children in K-12 schools and teaches them that America is a fundamentally racist country.

    An Illinois high school history teacher, Frank McCormick, told "Fox & Friends" that he decided to blow the whistle on what was being taught at his school because parents are being "gaslit into this lie that CRT does not exist in [K-12] education."

    If Democrats can't KILL babies... They'll indoctrinate the kids.. :eyeroll:

  205. [205] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Parents, when we tell you critical race theory isn't taught in our schools we're lying. Keep looking," the whistleblower said. "It means one thing, go away and look into our affairs no further."

    Moreover, some left-wing K-12 teachers openly admit they approve and seek to transmit CRT concepts to their students. A current assistant principal at the Castle Bridge School in Washington Heights, New York, David Rosas, said on Chalkbeat that the controversial topic "is not something I will shy away from… Critical race theory is interwoven in all that I do."

    "I needed space to be a teacher who was racially literate and racially radical," he continued.

    A Detroit superintendent, Nikolai Vitti, publicly admitted during a school board meeting that CRT was embedded within the schools' curriculum.

    "Our curriculum is deeply using critical race theory, especially in social studies, but you’ll find it in English, language arts, and the other disciplines," Vitti said. "We’re very intentional about creating a curriculum, infusing materials and embedding critical race theory within our curriculum."

    So much for the claim that CRT and "Equity" is not taught in K-12...

    The facts clearly prove that it is...

  206. [206] 
    Michale wrote:

    Federal judge allows Florida immigration lawsuit against Biden Administration to proceed

    TALLAHASSEE — A federal judge Wednesday rejected a request by the Biden administration to toss out a lawsuit filed by Florida over the release of undocumented immigrants.

    Pensacola-based U.S. District Judge T. Kent Wetherell denied a motion by U.S. Department of Justice attorneys to dismiss the case, which Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody’s office filed last year.

    The lawsuit alleges that the Biden administration has violated immigration laws through policies that have led to people being released from detention after crossing the U.S. border with Mexico. Also, it alleges that the releases affect Florida because of issues such as increased education, health care, and criminal-justice costs.

    Justice Department attorneys raised a series of arguments in seeking dismissal of the case, including disputing a Florida contention that the Biden administration has a “non-detention” policy.

    But Wetherell, a former state appeals court judge, ruled that the lawsuit should continue to move forward.

    “Suffice it to say the court is wholly unpersuaded by defendants’ position that they have unfettered discretion to determine how (or if) to comply with the immigration statutes and that there is nothing that Florida or this court can do about their policies even if they contravene the immigration statutes,” Wetherell wrote in a 37-page decision. “This position is as remarkable as it is wrong because it is well established that no one, not even the president, is above the law and the court unquestionably has the authority to say what the law is and to invalidate action of the executive branch that contravenes the law and/or the Constitution. Thus, if Florida’s allegations that defendants are essentially flaunting the immigration laws are proven to be true, the court most certainly can (and will) do something about it.”
    https://thecapitolist.com/federal-judge-allows-florida-immigration-lawsuit-against-biden-administration-to-proceed/

    And Democrats LOSE again!!! :D

    I have to call President Trump a liar here..

    He said I would get tired of winning..

    I am STILL not tired!! :D

  207. [207] 
    Michale wrote:

    Governor DeSantis has got it going on!!! :D

    Victims of Communism Day’ legislation now on Gov. DeSantis’ desk for signature

    The legislation sets aside a remembrance day and requires students learn the human cost of communism.
    https://floridapolitics.com/archives/522589-victims-of-communism-day-legislation-on-gov-desantis-desk-for-signature/

    Is there ANYTHING that Governor DeSantis can't accomplish!!! :D

  208. [208] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Welp, I can't do any more damage around this Popsicle stand. I'm outta here! Bye-bye, you two crazy lovebirds! Hey, Rugman, ciao. I'm history. No, I'm mythology. I don't care what I am. I'm free!"
    -Genie, ALADDIN

    :D

  209. [209] 
    nypoet22 wrote:
  210. [210] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    basically sex has been around for hundreds of millions of years, but gender has only existed for around six thousand, because it isn't a physiological phenomenon. for the duration of those six thousand or so years, there have always been a few people who aren't binary, and every society conceives of those people a bit differently. why? because gender isn't a physiological phenomenon, it's sociological and anthropological, and always has been.

  211. [211] 
    Kick wrote:

    ListenWhenYouHear
    198

    :)

    Love you, Russ!

  212. [212] 
    Kick wrote:

    Michale
    199

    And therein lies the problem..

    What is this prattling about lies?

    Ya'all should be speaking FACTS..

    What exactly do you think the definition of "truth" is? Rhetorical question. I mean, why do you think it is that people are sworn under oath to "tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" on penalty of perjury?

    Here, let me rub your nose :D ... I mean, help you:

    truth noun

    \ ?trüth \

    plural truths\ ?trüt?hz , ?trüths \

    Definition of truth
    1 a
    (1): the body of real things, events, and facts : ACTUALITY

    (2): the state of being the case : FACT

    (3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/truth

    *

    "Fact" is the very definition of "truth"... and vice-versa.

    So you constantly pointing out that me and Russ (or anyone else) are speaking "truth' is basically like kicking yourself in the keister... repeatedly. :)

  213. [213] 
    Kick wrote:

    nypoet22
    209

    well, since i've been double DOG dared...

    Great examples!

    I have bone for the dog pile:

    https://outandequal.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Nonbinary-History.pdf

  214. [214] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [213]

    Kick you know I was just kidding about the eff you. Sometimes I still get angry at Chris Webber and his teammate on the bench who foolishly signaled TIME OUT. The fucking Nadia fixed the game.

    Hunter Dickenson, All- Murican as a Soph, is coming back so tell me your school so I can root for you to meet us deep in the Big Dance, K?

  215. [215] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    ... the fucking MAFIA!

    Nadia was my Ma and although she could be evil,

    It was HELL, recalls Former Child

    B.Kliban

    I never detected that level of evil in her...

  216. [216] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    ***Friday TPs are up and the comments function works. ***

  217. [217] 
    Kick wrote:

    MtnCaddy
    214

    Kick you know I was just kidding about the eff you.

    Heh. Yes, of course, I do.

    Sometimes I still get angry at Chris Webber and his teammate on the bench who foolishly signaled TIME OUT.

    He goes home, his Mom gives him a license plate that reads "TIMEOUT," gets a pep talk from the family, and a few weeks later, he's the #1 pick in the NBA draft going to play in Orlando with Shaq O'Neal... also the #1 pick in the prior year's draft. Life is good... even if it sometimes seems like it isn't. You've got to experience the lows in order to appreciate the highs, I always say.

    The fucking Nadia fixed the game.

    La Cosa Nostra? I believe they'd testify, "That was not 'our thing'."

    Hunter Dickenson, All- Murican as a Soph, is coming back so tell me your school so I can root for you to meet us deep in the Big Dance, K?

    Heh. You will not ever be meeting either of my schools at the dance, and if I told you what they were, I'd pick up a nickname and would never hear the end of it. :)

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