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Golfing While Rome Burns

[ Posted Monday, March 9th, 2020 – 16:49 UTC ]

Roman Emperor Nero didn't actually fiddle while Rome burned. It's a myth. Violins (or "fiddles") wouldn't exist for another 1,500 years or so, making the very concept impossible. That's not to say Nero might not have blatantly ignored a flaming crisis, of course, it's just quibbling about the literal meaning of the maxim. Now, American Emperor-With-No-Clothes Donald Trump didn't fiddle while the country was hit by a pandemic, either. Instead, he played golf. Twice. That's right -- in the midst of a huge crisis, Trump spent the entire weekend playing golf.

The stock market reacted Monday morning by dropping a further 2,000 points. This puts it down over 5,500 points from its all-time high less than a month ago. The reason I begin with this statistic is because it is one of two (the other being the unemployment rate) that we know Trump actually pays attention to. So I'm anticipating some wild flailing from the White House in the next 24 hours or so, because Trump dearly wants to run his entire re-election campaign on how great the economy is doing. If the coronavirus puts that at risk (as, indeed, it already has), then Trump will reluctantly have to make some sort of attempt to deal with the situation. Knowing Trump, it'll probably be the wrong thing to do; but to Trump the only thing that's important is whether Wall Street investors see him "doing something" and are calmed enough to stop the financial panic.

The problem for Trump is that all of the remedies available to any president to quell economic crises are pretty ill-suited to deal with a medical crisis. COVID-19 isn't going to care whether interest rates are low, or how taxes could be cut, to put it another way. It's going to keep right on infecting people no matter what Larry Kudlow or Steve Mnuchin has to say on television.

The only real thing that could introduce some semblance of calm would be for the federal government to appear to have an intelligent action plan in place, a solid team of professionals in charge, and contingency plans for any possible worsening of the crisis. Since that is all but impossible to expect from the Trump administration, we can probably look forward to more mixed messages and outright lies from the government, led by Prevaricator-in-Chief Trump. Trump seems to consider the entire crisis to be one of P.R. alone, to be solved by a bunch of happy talk and outright denial of the seriousness of the situation. The administration does actually have some competent medical professionals working on the crisis, but they know that anything they say to the public could easily be contradicted by Trump within hours, which only serves to increase confusion and fear, instead of tamping it down. This puts them in a rather impossible situation, and many of them have fallen back on merely issuing praise for the Dear Leader rather than admit the truth to the public and have Trump contradict them anyway.

Trump has finally met a crisis he couldn't bamboozle into going away, to put it bluntly. I've already heard the phrases: "Trump's Katrina" and (even worse): "Trump's Chernobyl" being used to describe the almost-inevitable political fallout which is just around the corner. We'll see whether it reaches those levels, but it's pretty obvious already that this is going to change the entire tenor of the presidential campaign. If there even is one -- when large gatherings of people become taboo, will either Trump or the Democrats really continue to hold large political rallies?

There are some next steps that could be taken which might actually work, but they are routinely described as "Draconian" due to their severity. Could America really quarantine an entire state or major metropolitan area? China did, and it likely stopped the outbreak from spreading even further. But we don't have an authoritarian system of government, so American citizens would probably react differently if, for instance, Washington state was cut off at the borders. Or anywhere else with a concentrated outbreak. Japan is already having professional sports teams play before empty stadiums, but would Americans really accept such at thing? And for how long?

It may even be too late. Even the most drastic measures may prove to be ineffectual. Given how far the virus has already spread in this country, it may now be uncontainable. Which means the numbers are only going to climb higher, no matter what policy is enforced. Draconian measures could halt the spread of the virus so things don't get worse faster, but that's hard to quantify, really.

Americans are -- or used to be, at any rate -- capable of self-sacrifice in times of crisis. Talk to anyone who was alive during World War II, they'll tell you all about rationing and the rest of it. But we haven't really done such large-scale things since then, with the possible exception being the Cold War preparations for nuclear war. Few people alive today have ever had to deal with widespread disruption of everyday life, plain and simple. Which means there will be a lot of resistance to any such proposal. People will call it all a vast overreaction and simply not necessary. And they'll be cheered on by Trump himself, who seems desperate to downplay what is happening right in front of his face. This could be the first time in American history when a medical problem took on clear political dimensions. Or the first time since the AIDS crisis, at any rate.

Trump has already done everything he can to politicize the crisis -- going out of his way in each and every public appearance he makes on the coronavirus to try to assign blame and heap scorn on Democrats (Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Democratic governors, Barack Obama, etc., etc., etc.). Trump confidently predicted during the first of these appearances that the numbers of infected people in America would soon be at "zero," which was laughably untrue when he said it and is now even more provably untrue. Trump didn't want the infected cruise ship to dock and discharge passengers, because that would make "the numbers" look worse for him. His obsession with the number of people infected is bound to be short-lived, however, because sooner or later he'll get tired of seeing it climb so high and he'll just come right out and say that he thinks the whole "counting people who are sick" thing is "a hoax."

Luckily for Democrats, all they have to do to benefit politically from the situation is to sit back and hold Trump's coat while he continues to repeatedly shoot himself in both feet. All Democratic candidates for office really need say to voters is: "Wouldn't it be nice to return to competence in government?" That's it. Make the argument that electing competent and compassionate leaders is really the best thing to do, and the rest of the political argument takes care of itself. Just stand back and radiate competence, and let the voters see the plain difference to those in charge right now.

This isn't the first time during Trump's presidency that he was faced with a crisis that he couldn't fix just by denying reality on television and on Twitter. Hurricane Maria was also such a crisis. Luckily for Trump, though, it only devastated Puerto Rico -- which most Americans couldn't find on a map if their lives depended on it. This one is going to be different, though. This one is going to affect pretty much everybody in one way or another. Cancelled vacations or business trips, cancelled sports contests for both students and professional athletes, cancelled festivals and celebrations, fear of large crowds, panic-buying at the store, new "handshake" protocols such as elbow-bumping -- all of these have already happened to some extent, and we're just getting started. Of course, Trump is insulated from much of this, but he does watch the stock market, and the stock market is predicting even worse days ahead.

You know, at this point even trying to figure out how Trump will react to continuing bad news is pretty scary, since he's shown little interest so far in actually understanding what is going on. Who knows what impulsive rabbit he'll chase down a hole next? Perhaps this weekend wasn't a bad thing, in other words. Perhaps the best thing for America right now is to have Trump spend every day out on the golf course. Maybe that would be the most reassuring thing for the public to see.

-- Chris Weigant

 

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61 Comments on “Golfing While Rome Burns”

  1. [1] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Could America really quarantine an entire state or major metropolitan area? China did, and it likely stopped the outbreak from spreading even further. But we don't have an authoritarian system of government, so American citizens would probably react differently if, for instance, Washington state was cut off at the borders.

    Italy has put all 16 million of its citizens on lock down until April 3. That’s a lotta Italians!

  2. [2] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    So I guess this is the perfect time for Trump to be the best President besides Lincoln, eh Michale? Let's see what your Cheetogod can pull out of his hat.

  3. [3] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I think what President Trump said today about instituting economic policies such as a cut in payroll taxes was a good step in the right direction. I guess more about that will come out tomorrow after he meets with Congress. He said he'd have a press conference.

    During these uncertain times, I think it's important for critics of the president to focus on how they can encourage a better response to this health crisis.

  4. [4] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Chris,

    So I'm anticipating some wild flailing from the White House in the next 24 hours or so, because Trump dearly wants to run his entire re-election campaign on how great the economy is doing.

    Well, let's not say stuff like that too much, out loud, so to speak.

    I mean, with so much fear and apprehension out there, already, it's probably not a good idea to keep putting out there how the WH is flailing around, eh?

    Instead, it would be better to talk about how the WH response is improving and encourage more of it.

    After all, we're all in this thing together ...

  5. [5] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Perhaps the best thing for America right now is to have Trump spend every day out on the golf course. Maybe that would be the most reassuring thing for the public to see.

    Seriously, maybe the best thing for everyone to see would be president Trump introducing Tony Fauci at every future briefing and then standing attentively behind him until the end of it.

  6. [6] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    I mean, with so much fear and apprehension out there, already, it's probably not a good idea to keep putting out there how the WH is flailing around, eh?

    Instead, it would be better to talk about how the WH response is improving and encourage more of it.

    Why deny the obvious? Should we say the White House’s responses are improving when they aren’t. If the media ignores the truth and starts repeating the propaganda that Michale is hooked on, the people will completely lose faith and have no sources for information that they can trust!

  7. [7] 
    Michale wrote:

    Not a **SINGLE** one of you said anything when 12,000 Americans died under Odumbo's Swine Flu pandemic...

    Now, a handful of Americans have died and ya'all are hysterically beating at President Trump...

    And ya'all claim that there are NO political agenda at work here???

    Shirley, ya'all jest...

  8. [8] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    So I guess this is the perfect time for Trump to be the best President besides Lincoln, eh Michale? Let's see what your Cheetogod can pull out of his hat.

    Unless you condemned Odumbo when over 12,000 Americans died during Odumbo's Swine Flu debacle, you have absolutely NO moral or ethial foundation to comment.

    Ergo, yer childish and immature taunts can be ignored..

  9. [9] 
    Michale wrote:

    I am leaving on a cruise ship in 25 days...

    THAT's how serious I think this thing is..

    Which is to say, not at all..

    The *****ONLY***** reason ya'all are hysterically hyping it up is because you need ANOTHER excuse to beat President Trump over the head with..

    Since ya'all's hilariously failed faux impeachment coup fell apart so predictably... :D

  10. [10] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Well, let's not say stuff like that too much, out loud, so to speak.

    I mean, with so much fear and apprehension out there, already, it's probably not a good idea to keep putting out there how the WH is flailing around, eh?

    Instead, it would be better to talk about how the WH response is improving and encourage more of it.

    After all, we're all in this thing together ...

    Yes.. If people actually CARED about this country and CARED about their fellow Americans, that is exactly the attitude they should have..

    But all they care about is their HATE and their BIGOTRY so they will do everything they can to HURT their country and HURT their fellow Americans...

    #sad

  11. [11] 
    Mezzomamma wrote:

    On one bad hand, screaming headlines and reporting worst-case scenarios as though they are likely can create panic that wasn't previously there.* On the other bad hand, false reassurances and suppressing news means people continue with risky behaviours.

    Oh, and if you have cause to check your temperature, especially if by mouth, don't check right after drinking a cup of coffee. Wait around 20 minutes after any food or drink, and 25-30 after hot food or drink. (I'm still rolling my eyes and shaking my head at the idea that someone in their mid 70s hasn't learned this.)

    *We oldies may remember when Johnny Carson joked about a run on toilet paper creating a shortage in an East Coast city--and sure enough, the next day....

  12. [12] 
    Michale wrote:

    Why deny the obvious? Should we say the White House’s responses are improving when they aren’t. If the media ignores the truth and starts repeating the propaganda that Michale is hooked on, the people will completely lose faith and have no sources for information that they can trust!

    Funny thing is, ya'all have NO FACTS to support **ANY** of your claims...

    You can't even answer a simple question as to why you weren't concerned when over 12,000 Americans died due to Odumbo's incompetence with his Swine Flu pandemic..

    You tried with some bullshit response about Trump saying that this is all a hoax, but THAT total bullshit was totally shot down... Totally..

    Face reality, Russ.. This is simply another coup attempt.. Another attempt to nullify a free, fair, legal, duly, democrat and Constitutional election..

    And, as with all ya'all's *OTHER* coup attempts..

    It will fail.. EPIC'LY fail...

  13. [13] 
    Michale wrote:

    Three reasons Joe Biden will never be president

    So the first reason Biden will not become president is that no one who served 36 years in the Senate has ever become president.

    OK, put aside the Senate, Biden's supporters would say. What about his eight years as vice president? Certainly that could be the basis for a successful presidential run. But the second reason Biden will not become president is that the record of vice presidents on that score is not encouraging.

    Finally, the third reason Biden will not be president is the 14 Year Rule. The idea of former George W. Bush speechwriter John McConnell, and popularized by writer Jonathan Rauch, it basically says that politicians have a strict sell-by date. "No one gets elected president who needs longer than 14 years to get from his or her first gubernatorial or Senate victory to either the presidency or the vice presidency," Rauch wrote. That has been true for a century.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/three-reasons-joe-biden-will-never-be-president

    There ya have it people..

    Assuming Biden is the nominee (I STILL find that hilarious by the bi.. :D) there is simply no chance that he will be POTUS..

    Even if you ignore *ALL* of President Trump's pluses, the fates themselves are against Biden..

  14. [14] 
    Michale wrote:

    On one bad hand, screaming headlines and reporting worst-case scenarios as though they are likely can create panic that wasn't previously there.*

    Exactly..

    On the other bad hand, false reassurances and suppressing news means people continue with risky behaviours.

    Except the FACTS clearly show that the reassurances are NOT false...

    Did you speak out against Obama when over 12,000 Americans died because of Obama incompetence with his Swine Flu pandemic??

    Of course you didn't...

    So, why are you so up in arms about a hand-ful of Americans who have died???

    Answer: Your political partisan agenda..

    That is *ALL* that is in play here...

  15. [15] 
    Michale wrote:

    Interesting factoid...

    All the American flags at Walt Disney World have 12 stripes and 49 stars..

    This allows Disney to bypass official US Flag Laws and keep the flags flying 24/7 as the flags flying are not official US flags....

  16. [16] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    So I guess this is the perfect time for Trump to be the best President besides Lincoln, eh Michale? Let's see what your Cheetogod can pull out of his hat.

    How many times HAS President Trump pulled something out of his hat??

    Won the GOP Primary...

    Won the election...

    Totally decimated Democrats on the Russia Collusion delusion coup attempt..

    UTTERLY DESTROYED the Democrats on their faux impeachment coup attempt..

    Don't you people EVER get tired of being wrong??

    EVER get tired of losing???

    I mean, com'on... Ya'all just HAVE to be close to the limits of human endurance on losing and having yer asses handed to ya'all all the time.. Eh???

  17. [17] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Tennis on Friday, Golf on Monday.

    And because for the last 4 plus years you have been punting on first down as the disease of big money infecting our political process spreads out of control.

    It's time to take a swing for the fences.

    "Put me in, coach
    I'm ready to play, today."
    -John Fogerty

    "Where have gone Joe Dimaggio our nation turns it's lonely eyes to you..."
    Mrs. Robinson
    Simon and Garfunkel

    Come on, CW. It doesn't have to be a slam dunk, but it is an easy lay up.

    You've been playing hookey by playing the big money hockey game for too long.

    And if I were french it would be making me really lacrosse.

    How much longer are you going continue to be playing for the wrong team?

    The best defense is a good offense.

    Yet, the only offense you are offering is the offensive punting on first down.

    Talk about golfing while Rome burns.....

    Come on, CW. How about a nice game of tennis?

    Here's a simple lob for you to return to get it started:

    Is it possible that either Bernie and/or Biden as the nominee making the small donor only commitment for the general election could get 3-5% of presidential election cycle voters to contribute an average of 100 dollars in contributions of no more than 200 dollars from any one donor?

    If not, why not?

    Could this get one in non-voters to vote in the general election for the Dem nominee that would stay home without the commitment adding 6% of the total vote to what the Dem nominee would already get?

    If not, why not?

    Would anyone that would vote for the Dem nominee without the commitment not vote for the Dem if they made the commitment?

    If not, why not?

    The ball is in your court.

    Isn't four plus years of unsportsmanlike conduct enough for you?

    The big money Dems have been kicking dirt on us for decades. Isn't it time to say to them "You're outta here!".

    "Hey ump. You're missing a great game."
    Christina Applegate
    -Hall Pass

  18. [18] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    tennis anyone?

  19. [19] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, considering how much golfing interfered with Odumbo's duties, do ya'all REALLY want to knock President Trump for golfing??

    I mean, com'on.. The US Navy even created an AIRCRAFT CARRIER for Odumbo..

    https://i.redd.it/cegks0uw2jay.jpg

  20. [20] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    I meant real tennis. Not the Tom Hanks in the Bachelor Party version.

  21. [21] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Speaking of Bachelor Party...

    How much longer do we have to watch the big money interests get it on with the donkey?

    Why do people find that entertaining?

  22. [22] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    15

    Interesting factoid...

    All the American flags at Walt Disney World have 12 stripes and 49 stars..

    The word "all" almost never applies to anything, and that being the case, you are again incorrect.

    An official American flag is flown in Town Square on Main Street, USA at the Magic Kingdom and is retired for the evening in a ceremony where a veteran special guest is handed the flag to thank them for their service.

    https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/entertainment/magic-kingdom/flag-retreat/

    The smaller flags on the tops of the buildings on Main Street, USA have 45 stars -- 3 rows of 8 stars alternating with 3 rows of 7 stars -- to replicate the flags flying on Main Street in Marceline, Missouri, where Walt Disney grew up when his family moved there in 1906... when there were exactly 45 stars on the American flag.

    You're welcome. :)

  23. [23] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    The donkey has overdosed on big money and is ready to be sent to the glue factory.

    It's time for a new mascot- WITHOUT the ascot.

  24. [24] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    As long as it is not a badger.

    "Badgers?! We don't need no steenking badgers!"
    -Carlos
    UHF

  25. [25] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Especially not a HONEY POT badger. :D

  26. [26] 
    Michale wrote:

    As usual, Victoria is wrong.. :D

    But at least she was polite about it.. :D

    When you walk into the Magic Kingdom, you're transported back in time to an idyllic small town that's dotted with American flags on top of many of its buildings. But if you look closely at those small flags, you'll notice that something is off about them: not a single one has 50 stars! There are a couple of reasons why each flag is missing stars — first, each of the poles that holds the flags are lightning rods, so if lightning strikes, an official American flag won't be harmed, and second, since they're not technically American flags, they don't need to follow traditional flag etiquette. They don't have to be lowered to half-staff when an occasion calls for it and they don't need to be taken down or lit up at night. Flags with 48 stars can also be found on Disney's boats for the same reasons. An official American flag can still be found at the Magic Kingdom, in Town Square, and this one is taken down at night.
    https://www.themeparktourist.com/features/20160805/32101/10-weird-wdw-facts-even-die-hard-fans-may-not-know

    It's funny how she always wants to nitpick when I post something..

    But let's all the Trump/America haters get away with saying the most bullshit things and she doesn't say a word..

    But, as I said.. At least she is polite about it.. :D

  27. [27] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    I would point out the irony of the "Disneyland" discussion, but pointing out the nothing but "Disneyland" discussions for the last four plus years seems to fall on deaf donkey ears.

    This is a case of silence not giving assent.

    And it is not what silence gives that is important, it is where it comes from that makes the difference.

    And the thinking that produces it originates in the other word for donkey.

    The silence comes from ass. :D

  28. [28] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    The time for polite has passed.

  29. [29] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    As usual, Victoria is wrong.. :D

    But at least she was polite about it.. :D

    She posts her information that came directly from Disney’s own website. You think that your info from some unknown website that is more click ads than anything else carries more weight than info coming directly from the source! You are a joke!

  30. [30] 
    Michale wrote:

    She posts her information that came directly from Disney’s own website.

    Yea??? The why is there no link??

    I provide links for my facts..

    You are a joke!

    Says the guy who was full of shit about what President Trump said about the coronavirus AND was full of shit about claiming Democrats DIDN'T say to panic..

    Yer full of shit all the way around, Russ.. :D

  31. [31] 
    MyVoice wrote:

    DH
    Other than God, who I've been given to understand, did – or, possibly, still does – select certain individuals to carry out God’s plan, I’m not familiar with any successful movement/uprising/revolution/grassroots change that caught fire when someone hand-picked an individual (or two) to be his/her/its/their mouthpiece(s) and then worked and worked on the chosen one(s) to bend them to his/her/its/their will. Do you have any models I might look at for enlightenment? TIA.

  32. [32] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    You can't even answer a simple question as to why you weren't concerned when over 12,000 Americans died due to Odumbo's incompetence with his Swine Flu pandemic..

    No, I answered you, but you were obviously too busy pleasuring yourself to photos of Trump to realize it. First, your statement is utter bullshit! You have provided nothing but your bigoted racist accusation, but no evidence to support your claim that Obama’s incompetence caused the deaths of 12,000 Americans. Obama’s Administration was not silencing their health experts from warning the public in simple terms that were clear to understand. Obama didn’t try to shift the focus off of the Swine Flu by bringing up how Republicans handled an epidemic years earlier — something that helps no one but the thin skinned bitches who cry when they think people will see their leader for the massive incompetent idiot that he truly is! Too late!

    We have no idea just how bad this illness truly is in our country! Look at how organized South Korea has been for months, taking a proactive stance on battling this illness. 10,000 people are tested every day in South Korea. They took WHO’s advice to start creating test kits when it suggested it months ago. Our government did not! Our government has not issued the warning to start setting up quarantines in ER’s to keep staff from having to self-quarantine because they have been exposed without the proper safety protocols being followed!

    How about you explain why Trump lied to the public when he said anyone who wants/needs to be tested for the Covid-19 virus can receive one when that is not true!?

    Why won’t Trump simply warn the elderly not to fly right now, but instead warns them about being in “crowded areas with poor ventilation”???!!! But by all means, you enjoy your cruise!

  33. [33] 
    Michale wrote:

    No, I answered you,

    Yes.. You answered..

    But, as JL pointed out so perfectly..

    Your "answer" was nothing but bullshit..

    So, in reality, you never really answered..

  34. [34] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Every successful movement in history started with one person then was picked up by another person and then picked up by more people.

    Getting it picked up by any person with any influence at all helps get more people to join in. (see recent Biden endorsements)

    Just because something hasn't happened in the exact way that you describe does not mean that it could not happen in that or a similar way. (See Obama nomination and election in 2008, Hillary nomination in 2016)

    The trends are more people making small contributions with each election cycle, the math shows it is possible to raise enough money by capitalizing on the trends and the Knight Report verifies the potential to get non-voters to vote with a small donor only commitment.

    All this information has been posted here.

    And since Ralph Nader advises people to keep after people that are not providing an answer until they get an answer and CW often lauds others for doing the same it seems completely appropriate to me to keep after both of them until I get an answer.

    But perhaps I should contact other people, organizations, media outlets, activists, write and submit articles, etc. That would probably be a good idea.

    I suppose it is possible that doing those other things more than I already do might make a difference.

    So I have answered your question.

    Will you now answer my questions in comment 17 on Bernie/Biden making the small donor commitment?

  35. [35] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Again, tennis anyone?

  36. [36] 
    Michale wrote:

    {{{{She posts her information that came directly from Disney’s own website.{{{{

    Yea??? The why is there no link??

    My mistake. There WAS a link... I am just so used to her never having any facts to support her claims..

    My apologies, Victoria.. THIS time, you did have a link..

  37. [37] 
    Michale wrote:

    Angry Joe Biden Tells Detroit Worker 'You're Full Of Shit'

    (WWJ) Detroit workers will tell you that auto factory floors are tough, but Joe Biden wasn't backing down when a worker came at him on a factory tour Tuesday morning.

    Courting votes in Michigan's very important primary -- which some believe could be the final stand-off between Biden and Democratic rival Bernie Sanders -- Biden wasn't exactly jolly.

    "You're gonna take away our guns," the worker tells Biden as he walks by in close quarters, surrounded by workers and the media.

    Biden misses no beat before responding, "You're full of sh**."

    "Shush-shush!" Biden says to a woman who tries to interject "I support the Second Amendment."
    https://wwjnewsradio.radio.com/articles/angry-joe-biden-tells-detroit-worker-youre-full-of-sh

    Looks like Joe has fully converted to 2020 Democrat'ism..

    He is attacking the very voters he NEEDS to win.. :D

    Good call, Joe!! :^/

  38. [38] 
    Michale wrote:

    Senile Joe told Michigan voters that AR-15 rifles are illegal..

    They are NOT, but I think Joe gave away his intentions to MAKE them illegal if elected...

  39. [39] 
    dsws wrote:

    Rome burned for six days. No one knows whether Nero played the lyre at some point during those days or not, but I don't see anything wrong with it if he did.

  40. [40] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Given your propensity to condemn the use of profanity..

    I am curious as to your reaction to Joe Biden's expletive laden attack on a Michigan voter???

  41. [41] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Your "answer" was nothing but bullshit..

    So, in reality, you never really answered..

    Says the wanna-be-but-never-was-a-cop who falsely claimed to have been in law enforcement for 25 years! Your “reality” is the true bullshit!

  42. [42] 
    Michale wrote:

    Says the wanna-be-but-never-was-a-cop who falsely claimed to have been in law enforcement for 25 years!

    Actually, I never did.. I have always said I was in PUBLIC SAFETY (LEO, Security, Military, FSO) for 25 years..

    That was a feeble attempt at deflection..

    Yer full of shit..

    Just like you were when you claimed Hillary was going to win..

    Just like you were when you claimed President Trump was going to be frog marched from the Oval Office over your Russia Collusion delusion..

    Just like you were when you claimed President Trump was going to be removed from office over the Dumbocrats' faux impeachment coup..

    And just like you were when you claimed President Trump said the coronavirus was a hoax..

    You have ***ALWAYS*** been full of shit, Russ..

    And you will CONTINUE to be full of shit when Democrats lose the House and President Trump coasts to re-election..

    You REEK of shit, Russ..

    Because that is all you spew..

  43. [43] 
    Michale wrote:

    Dow sees one of its largest point gains on record after Trump's coronavirus proposals

    Dow adds 1,167 points as Trump talks economic initiatives

    Equity markets are bouncing back after their biggest drop since the 2008 financial crisis
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/us-markets-march-10-2020

    President Trump..

    TRUE LEADERSHIP....

    The campaign ads write themselves..

  44. [44] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    26

    It's funny how she always wants to nitpick when I post something..

    "All" and "always" are dead ringers that the comments you are posting are pure unadulterated fiction. Those who don't post fiction won't hear a peep out of me. If you find your posts are getting nitpicked, you just might be the biggest source of fiction on the forum.

    But let's all the Trump/America haters get away with saying the most bullshit things and she doesn't say a word..

    Grammar... not your strong suit either. Also, you whine a lot about what people are not posting to suit you while you incorrectly refer to those who don't buy into your fantasy as "America haters." Trump isn't America and never will be.

    Interesting factoid...

    All the American flags at Walt Disney World have 12 stripes and 49 stars.. ~ Mike

    Interesting fact: The article you posted debunks your own incorrect statement by explaining the boats have 48 stars and also partially confirms what I posted about the official American flag taken down every night. As far as the flags on Main Street, USA, I can assure you the flags have 45 stars like the flags in Marceline, Missouri in 1906.

    https://bigbrian-nc.livejournal.com/12357.html

    But, as I said.. At least she is polite about it..

    This time. ;)

  45. [45] 
    Michale wrote:

    Looks like NY Gov Cuomo is doubling down on his "LET'S ALL PANIC MESSAGE!!!"

    He's activated the state military to enforce martial law in a "containment" area....

    Typical Democrat... Any excuse to trample on American civil rights..

    And you Democrats get hysterical when President Trump limits travel into the US from foreigners..

    Hypocrites...

  46. [46] 
    Michale wrote:

    This time. ;)

    I was hoping.. MANY of us were hoping it would be a trend...

    :^)

  47. [47] 
    Michale wrote:

    Those who don't post fiction won't hear a peep out of me

    And yet, there was no "peep" from you when Russ posted FICTION about President Trump calling the coronavirus a hoax...

    Something that even JL knew was "fiction"... :D

    So, I will (with the utmost due respect) point out that your claim that people who don't post fiction don't hear a peep from you is a false statement..

    People who DO post fiction, but are of the proper political persuasion, don't hear a peep from you..

  48. [48] 
    Michale wrote:

    Schumer faces mounting ethics complaints over Supreme Court comments
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/schumer-faces-mounting-ethics-complaints-over-supreme-court-comments

    And still only a milquetoast "dis-honorable mention" here in Weigantia... :^/

  49. [49] 
    SF Bear wrote:

    Elizabeth Miller #4
    "Instead, it would be better to talk about how the WH response is improving and encourage more of it."

    EM do you not realize the this president is INCAPABLE of responding in a desirable and meaningful way. It is counter productive to speak and act as if he were capable. It serves to "normalize" his behavior. When attacked by a tiger you do not try to reason and argue with it, you must get rid of the tiger before you are eaten. At every opportunity we must point out how incompetent he is and incapable of doing the job of being president.

  50. [50] 
    Michale wrote:

    EM do you not realize the this president is INCAPABLE of responding in a desirable and meaningful way.

    Except the FACTS prove otherwise..

    At every opportunity we must point out how incompetent he is and incapable of doing the job of being president.

    You sound **EXACTLY** like a Republican when they were talking about Obama..

    Funny how that is, eh?? :D

  51. [51] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    When you are hunting tigers it is best to have the best weapon available.

    The best weapon available is small donor only Bernie.
    Unless anyone can answer the questions in comment 17 in a way that contradicts small donor only Bernie being the best weapon available.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyyE6S5tWLw

  52. [52] 
    Michale wrote:

    Bear,

    President Trump secures no-cost virus testing for Americans

    The Trump Administration is leading an “all-of-America” approach, as Vice President Mike Pence calls it, to protect Americans during the global Coronavirus outbreak.

    “Last week, at this table, the President met with pharmaceutical leaders, we met with nursing home leaders, leaders of commercial labs, airline industries,” Vice President Pence said. “We’re bringing all of the businesses of the country to bear to protect the health of the American people.”

    Earlier today, President Trump and the Vice President met with executives from America’s largest health insurance companies, where they announced a major deal.

    Once again, the FACTS prove you wrong..

  53. [53] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    47

    And yet, there was no "peep" from you when Russ posted FICTION about President Trump calling the coronavirus a hoax...

    That wasn't fiction. Donald Trump did refer to the coronavirus as "their new hoax" at a rally in South Carolina on February 28... the day before Joementum commenced.

    You're talking about an issue of words in context. People aren't generally going to rush to defend issues of context when the GOP and their minions -- meaning you -- are constantly pounding away at words taken out of context. You're yet again asking for people to post to suit your wishes and insisting on that which you're not willing to proffer. #SSDD

    So, I will (with the utmost due respect) point out that your claim that people who don't post fiction don't hear a peep from you is a false statement..

    Those who don't post fiction won't hear a peep out of me.
    ~ Kick

    And you're incessantly whining that he did post fiction... so pick a lane.

    People who DO post fiction, but are of the proper political persuasion, don't hear a peep from you..

    There's no such thing as the "proper political persuasion" to me, and now you're just twisting my words and making shit up and posting more of your fiction. Peep, peep. :)

  54. [54] 
    Michale wrote:

    That wasn't fiction. Donald Trump did refer to the coronavirus as "their new hoax" at a rally in South Carolina on February 28... the day before Joementum commenced.

    Not factually accurate..

    As JL pointed out..

    Did President Trump Refer to the Coronavirus as a ‘Hoax’?

    Trump's commentary on the new coronavirus came before the virus began killing patients in the U.S.

    Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

    Once again.. FACTs prove you wrong..

    And you're incessantly whining that he did post fiction... so pick a lane.

    Russ DID post fiction.. And you claimed that you only 'peep' when people post fiction.

    Russ post fiction.. You didn't peep.

    So your claim is not factual..

    There's no such thing as the "proper political persuasion" to me,

    Despite ***ALL*** the plethora of facts that prove THAT statement ALSO not factual.. :D

    With the utmost due respect.. :D

  55. [55] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Peeps?
    Is it Easter already?

    What else could be expected from the marshmallows around here? :D

  56. [56] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Maybe this comments section is just one big year long Easter egg hunt.

    "The lunatic is on the grass
    the lunatics are on the grass
    remembering games, daisy chains and laughs
    got to keep the loonies on the path.

    The lunatic is in the hall
    the lunatics are in my hall
    the paper holds their folded faces to the floor
    everyday the paper boy brings more."

    ..."and if the cloudbursts thunder in your ear
    you shout and no one seems to hear
    and if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
    I'll see you on the dark side of the moon."
    -Brain Damage
    Floyd

    It seems to fit as the Weigantia theme song.

  57. [57] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike

    I reiterate: Context.

    And this is their new hoax. But you know, we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We’re 15 people in this massive country. And because of the fact that we went early, we went early, we could have had a lot more than that.
    ~ Donald Trump, February 28, 2020

    If you refused to take the words of Democrats out of context and insisted that everyone's words be taken in context all the time rather than when it suits your political agenda, you'd have an argument, but you most certainly don't... so you most certainly don't. :)

    So to recap: Context.

  58. [58] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    No, no, no.

    The deck chairs should face towards the railing not away from the railing.....

    context. :D

  59. [59] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Trump called the coronavirus “the Democrats’ new hoax”. He called it a hoax! You are still wrong!

    Boo how hoo... we own you!

    But... Obama did something unrelated to whatever Trump is doing and we didn’t blame Obama for doing what Trump is currently doing!!! Boo hoo hoo...you’re a racist too!

    Actually, I never did.. I have always said I was in PUBLIC SAFETY (LEO, Security, Military, FSO) for 25 years..

    You having to register as a sex offender does not mean you are “in” PUBLIC SAFETY!

    Security? Being arrested for breaking into a residence does not mean you are “in home security”! You weren’t in PUBLIC SAFETY for 25 years! You are an honor whore: wanting people to believe you have served when you have not!

  60. [60] 
    dsws wrote:

    He called it a hoax!

    But I don't think he actually meant hoax. I think he meant 'something that those horrible underhanded Democrats are lying about, or maybe causing, who cares'. Sentences are often thought of as expressing propositions, i.e. logical entities that can be true or false. But that's not usually what they do. Usually, they express emotions or propose actions. Trump is adept at using them that way.

  61. [61] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    But I don't think he actually meant hoax. I think he meant 'something that those horrible underhanded Democrats are lying about, or maybe causing, who cares'.

    OK...so Trump did not really mean it was a hoax...he just meant that it was a hoax! That makes sense!

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