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Moderate Democrats Clear The Lane For Biden

[ Posted Monday, March 2nd, 2020 – 18:21 UTC ]

A week ago, I wrote an article about what I considered the most important upcoming factor in the Democratic presidential race, which was who would drop out and when would they do it. That question is now at least partially answered, as the third candidate since South Carolina voted has just officially exited the race. This leaves four major candidates (and Tulsi Gabbard) still in the race. But how the loss of Tom Steyer, Pete Buttigieg, and Amy Klobuchar will affect Super Tuesday is really anyone's guess at this point -- which makes predicting the outcomes a lot harder.

The first thing to note is that any state-level polls done prior to these announcements -- which is, in reality, "all of them" -- now cannot be taken for granted. So the game becomes one of predicting where all the supporters of Steyer, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar will migrate to. Or not all of them, actually, because millions of votes have already been cast in places like Texas and California. All three of the dropouts will no doubt receive some of these early votes, which complicates the picture even more.

It's pretty obvious that the three who left the race could all be loosely lumped as "gadfly moderates." Well, except Mayor Pete, who actually won a state and gave Bernie Sanders a run for the money in a second state. That rises above "gadfly" status, although his finishes in Nevada and South Carolina and his national poll levels were quickly sinking him back down to that level. Nationally, none of these three had all that much support, but taken together it might be enough to shift the race between the remaining candidates in a fairly major way.

When I wrote last week, I got one guess mostly right, one kinda-sorta right, and one completely wrong. I predicted Tom Steyer would get out possibly before Super Tuesday but definitely right afterwards, so it was no real surprise to me to hear he had thrown in the towel Saturday night. I guessed that Amy Klobuchar would stick around until Tuesday night, so that she could go out on a high note after winning as the "favorite daughter" in her home state of Minnesota. But I through Pete Buttigieg was going to stick around until at least the end of March. So both Buttigieg and Klobuchar did surprise me, I have to admit.

The pressure on Pete and Amy from the Democratic establishment must have been massive and unrelenting after Joe Biden did so well in South Carolina. There are already whispers that perhaps they were offered plum administration jobs in a Biden cabinet, but no factual basis for these rumors has emerged, so please take them with a grain of salt. But even absent such backroom dealings, it's pretty obvious that the effort of the establishment Democrats to "rally 'round Joe" was pretty intense towards the two moderates who might have divided up the centrist voters.

Of course, the exit from the race of the three candidates isn't going to mean that all of their supporters will move as a bloc over to any of the other candidates. You can't simply add the poll numbers from Tom and Pete and Amy to Biden's total, in other words. It doesn't work that way in real life. Amy Klobuchar has announced (as of this writing) that she'll be publicly endorsing Joe Biden on stage at an event tonight, but so far the other two have not made any endorsement at all (although rumors are now flying that Pete will also endorse Biden -- but if he doesn't do so tonight, it might be too late to have any effect on tomorrow's voting).

It is a pretty safe bet that the narrowing of the field is going to help Biden more than it will Bernie Sanders, though. All three of the candidates exiting made it their central argument (to one degree or another) that Bernie Sanders was simply too radical to be the Democratic Party's nominee. Steyer came kind of late to this party, but Klobuchar and Buttigieg have both been hammering Bernie in all the recent debates.

But please remember there are two other candidates still in the running. Elizabeth Warren is now the only woman candidate left standing. A lot of Klobuchar voters may decide that they still want to vote for a woman. Mike Bloomberg could appeal to the supporters of the dropouts as well, especially Steyer supporters -- who seem to have no problem with the whole "voting for a billionaire" thing. And while surprising, a number of supporters of all three may indeed decide Bernie Sanders is worth a second look. Voters vote on personalities a lot more than the pundits like to admit, and what a lot of voters are looking for is someone who can go toe to toe with Trump, plain and simple. For whatever reason the supporters of the three dropouts were not convinced by Joe Biden, and they still may have doubts about Biden's ability to take the fight directly to Trump.

I've only seen numbers for one candidate -- Pete Buttigieg -- and they were over a month old, from a poll taken before any state had voted. When asked who Buttigieg supporters' second choice was, more of Pete's voters answered Elizabeth Warren than anyone else. In a close second was Joe Biden, but both Warren and Biden only pulled about one-fourth of Pete's base each -- the rest were split among the rest of the field. And, like I said, these numbers were taken back in January, and there have been significant developments since.

What all of this means is anyone's guess. As I mentioned, it means the polling for individual Super Tuesday states is now so outdated as to be almost worthless (although you've still got to factor in how many people voted early, before the announcements from the three dropouts happened).

I began this article as an introduction to my Super Tuesday picks, which I was going to publish one day early, but in the end I decided to split this column in two and do overall analysis today and have just the state-by-state picks tomorrow. I wanted to get them all down on paper today, though, so I wouldn't be chasing the deadline of the polls closing come tomorrow.

There are 14 states, one territory, and "Democrats abroad" voting tomorrow -- 16 contests to call. Many of them have no polling whatsoever, making them a total crap shoot. Even the ones with polling have now entered dart-at-the-wall territory. The exit of the three minor moderate candidates before Super Tuesday means the consolidation of the vote in a big way. Which way that will prove to be is still anyone's guess, though.

No matter how it plays out, one thing will be interesting to see. In 2016, the Republicans could never really coalesce around a "not-Trump candidate." Too many of them stayed in the race too long, which effectively split the vote against Trump. Trump didn't win a primary vote with more than 50 percent until a few weeks before the primaries were all over. He coasted through the vast majority of the primaries with only around 30-35 percent of the Republican vote. Many -- myself included -- had been wondering whether 2020 was going to see a repeat of this dynamic on the Democratic side.

It now looks like it won't, or at least it won't to the degree that it happened in 2016 for the GOP. Tom Steyer never had a chance past Super Tuesday. His original plan was to do really well in South Carolina and then win his home state of California (you would not believe how many Steyer ads I've seen out here on television -- far more, by orders of magnitude than any other candidate, until Bloomberg started spending big money. When all his California investment came up short, though, it was pretty clear a month ago that he had no chance at winning the nomination.

Pete Buttigieg was different, and his exit from the race at such an early date surprised me the most. He seemed genuinely convinced (to an almost scary degree) that he was the one who could defeat Bernie Sanders and bring the rest of the Democratic Party together in opposition. When he won Iowa and almost caught Bernie in New Hampshire, he had a realistic argument to make that he was indeed the one. However, his weak spot had always been with minority voters and when he got creamed in both Nevada and South Carolina, it was pretty obvious he was on a downward trajectory. If he had caught fire in the national polls he might have still had a chance, but this just never seemed to happen (his highest polling average was only ever around 15 percent). But he seemed like the guy who would hover on the sidelines in the hopes that everyone else dropped out. That was the wrong assumption to make, on my part, I now fully admit.

Amy Klobuchar, much like Tom Steyer, had no path to victory whatsoever. She just never caught on. Even in New Hampshire, her high point, she still only placed a distant third behind Pete and Bernie. But her exit was possibly the most surprising, because she had a very good chance of winning one state in at least an impressive way (Bernie Sanders was polling right behind her in Minnesota, so she probably wouldn't have pulled off a "commanding" or "overwhelming" victory). But it's so much nicer to announce you're leaving the race on a high point instead of just before that high point, which is why her exit is so surprising. Even if she does manage to win her home state (many will doubtlessly vote for her anyway, as a show of continuing support for their own senator), she will now not have a big victory party with a balloon drop and a triumphant speech. That's hard to pass up, I have to admit.

But again, it is way too oversimplified to just assume that all the voters for these three candidates are going to automatically now become Biden voters. It just doesn't work that way. In fact, the biggest beneficiary might be either Bloomberg or Warren, if those voters have already strongly rejected Biden as worthy of their support. So picking the winners tomorrow is going to be a real challenge.

 

[Program Note: As mentioned, this is really only the first part of a two-part article. Tomorrow, I'll have all my Super Tuesday picks, but I'm just going to dive right into them. Today's column can be read as the introduction to these picks.]

-- Chris Weigant

 

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68 Comments on “Moderate Democrats Clear The Lane For Biden”

  1. [1] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    It's amazing how many Democrats can get over not only the vote for a billionaire thing but can get over the vote for a big money candidate thing.

    Too bad Democrats alone won't beat Trump in the general election.

    Sounds Like Bernie is going to have to become Herbie in order to defeat the big money racing cars.

    It will take a maneuver that the other cars can't do- declaring now that he will run a small donor only campaign in the general election.

    This could enough get non-voters to participate and could help him in primaries where independents can vote.

    It could add 6% or more of non-voters to the total vote that would be added to what Bernie would already get from regular voters in the general election.

    Biden or Bloomberg could not make this commitment and be nearly as believable as Bernie.

    Small contribution Bernie is the best candidate to beat Trump- hands down.

    If you want to beat Trump you will encourage Bernie to make the small donor only commitment.

    And you will encourage citizens to encourage Bernie.

    Or you will be listening to Michale gloat for four more years.

    At least as long as you are still allowed to have a blog.

    Action is more impressive than predictions.

  2. [2] 
    Kick wrote:

    CW: For whatever reason the supporters of the three dropouts were not convinced by Joe Biden, and they still may have doubts about Biden's ability to take the fight directly to Trump.

    Morning Consult's latest polling of 30,583 surveys of registered voters conducted February 23-27 -- although before the South Carolina primary shakeup, of course -- showed Bernie to be the second choice of a majority of Buttigieg supporters:

    BUTTIGIEG SUPPORTERS
    Second Choice Selections

    Bernie Sanders.......... 21%
    Joe Biden................... 19%
    Elizabeth Warren...... 19%
    Michael Bloomberg... 17%

    https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

    As far as Bloomberg, if a billionaire actually could buy the nomination of the Democratic Party, Tom Steyer would be riding really high right about now. :)

  3. [3] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    This could enough get non-voters to participate and could help him in primaries where independents can vote.

    It could add 6% or more of non-voters to the total vote that would be added to what Bernie would already get from regular voters in the general election.

    Again, you have never offered any thing to support this belief! How would this get non-voters to suddenly be willing to donate money to a political campaign? People DO want Big Money out of our elections...but your way does not do that. The Democrats would be small donor only, but not the Republicans! That’s not getting Big Money out of politics, so why would anyone who has already chosen not to participate in politics suddenly be interested in giving their own MONEY when the system is still rigged.

  4. [4] 
    Chris Weigant wrote:

    Kick -

    That's interesting. The one I saw (Pete voters' second choices) was something like:

    EW - 26%
    JB - 24
    BS - ? 9 ? was in single digits, I know.

    But that was from January.

    -CW

  5. [5] 
    Chris Weigant wrote:

    OK, I've just finished writing up my ST predictions. I may tweak them tomorrow, after I sleep on them, though, so you'll have to tune in tomorrow to see how it goes. Many of these have no polling at all, so it's going to be a real crap-shoot.

    Tulsi Gabbard for the win in Maine... no wait, that can't be right...

    Heh.

    -CW

  6. [6] 
    Michale wrote:

    FPC

    Russ,

    Who the hell says shit like this?

    Someone who has ALWAYS been factually accurate with his Trump predictions..

    I get it.. Yer jealous..

    "The cause was sufficient.."
    -Surak Of Vulcan

    Face it, she owns you.

    Yea, of course you would say that.. You love the nightly slobberings, so you will say anything to support her.. even if it's complete and utter bullshit..

    But yer used to spewing bullshit.. It's what you do..

    And if you continue with your hate-filled, foaming-at-the-mouth attacks on people, you won’t be around to see if Trump wins or if he is walked out of the White House in chains come November.

    Yea?? Wanna bet??

    I am so 1000% absolutely sure of my facts/predictions I am willing to make **ANY** wager (within reason and maybe slightly beyond) you want...

    But YOU also know I am factually accurate in my prediction.. Which is why you are afraid to wager..

    You said that there were complications following your surgery. If that is true, then it probably isn’t wise for you to get your blood pressure up as high as it clearly must be to be spewing the hate-filled shit that you do on here. Karma is truly a bitch! Your dishonesty and hatred are literally killing you.

    That's what's so great about all this.. My FACTS and relaying the FACTS is very therapeutic for me.. :D

    My BP actually goes DOWN after a session of intellectually kicking ya'all's ass all over Weigantia on a daily basis... :D

    This is my relaxation. :D

    Maybe you are the one who should take a rest from this place...it’s probably the only way you’ll be able to gloat come November!

    Your "concern" is touching..

    Especially because it's really all about you and your cr... er.. "buddy" BEGGING me to ease up on ya'all... Ya'all can't handle the daily intellectual ass kickings and yer begging me for some mercy.. :D

    Please... More begging.. I pleases me... :D

  7. [7] 
    Michale wrote:

    This leaves four major candidates (and Tulsi Gabbard) still in the race.

    Wow.. You people really have a hard-on for Tulsi... I wonder why..

    Could it be because she bitch-slapped Hillary???

    I know she promised, but Tulsi would be perfectly within her rights, considering how she's been treated, to mount a 3rd Party run, just to piss off Democrats...

    Well, except Mayor Pete, who actually won a state a

    Well, Buttagig didn't win the Vanity Vote, so he really DIDN'T win the state..

    Or, does that Vanity Vote BS only apply to candidates with a -R after their names??

    The pressure on Pete and Amy from the Democratic establishment must have been massive and unrelenting after Joe Biden did so well in South Carolina.

    You think so too!?? :D

    Birds of a feather.. :D

    Yea, I definitely see the hand of the DNC puppeteering Petey's and Kloubachar actions..

    it's pretty obvious that the effort of the establishment Democrats to "rally 'round Joe" was pretty intense towards the two moderates who might have divided up the centrist voters.

    Yep, plain as day...

    All three of the candidates exiting made it their central argument (to one degree or another) that Bernie Sanders was simply too radical to be the Democratic Party's nominee.

    Once again, something I have been saying for WEEKS now..

    Glad to see ya agree with me.. :D

    But please remember there are two other candidates still in the running. Elizabeth Warren is now the only woman candidate left standing. A lot of Klobuchar voters may decide that they still want to vote for a woman.

    I can't believe there are actually Americans out there who will vote for a vagina.. Doesn't matter WHO... Any vagina will do... It's crazy!!

    Speaking of.. Where HAS Paula gotten herself lately??

    And while surprising, a number of supporters of all three may indeed decide Bernie Sanders is worth a second look.

    Yea??? HANDING the election to President Trump is worth a second look???

    Who knew!? :D

    Voters vote on personalities a lot more than the pundits like to admit, and what a lot of voters are looking for is someone who can go toe to toe with Trump, plain and simple.

    Assumes facts not in evidence.

    Right now, I would say that electability is running second to Party Purity..

    And if "electability" is Joe Biden??? It's a far second..

    For whatever reason the supporters of the three dropouts were not convinced by Joe Biden, and they still may have doubts about Biden's ability to take the fight directly to Trump.

    And there is a reason for that..

    "Biden botches Declaration of Independence: 'You know ... you know the thing'

    President hopeful Joseph R. Biden made social media headlines on Monday for all the wrong reasons after botching the Declaration of Independence in Texas.

    The former Vice President attempted to inspire a crowd by orating one of the most famous documents in world history, only to fumble over the words with “you know the thing.”

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident,” Mr. Biden, said. “All men and women created … by the — you know — you know the thing.”
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/2/joe-biden-botches-declaration-of-independence-you-/

    THIS is what Democrats consider "electable"?? Against President Trump!!??

    Shirley, ya jest..

  8. [8] 
    Michale wrote:

    Had ta break... Had a sneezing bout and it felt like a rib was gonna come flying out of my chest.. My sternum is not healing.. It's like 2 tectonic plates that rub together and grind... Hurts like hell all the time, but when I sneeze.. Holy shit, it's unbelievable.. I have to get opened up again to get it fixed, but I can't do it until after our cruise. Month to go....

    OK... Where was I...

    Oh yea.. Electability...

    That was the wrong assumption to make, on my part, I now fully admit.

    It happens.. Don't beat yerself up... Even I am wrong every once in a great while.. :D

    As I said, if it's any consolation.. Yer logic was sound..

    That's the highest praise that can be given... :D

    Never one to shy away from making a prediction..

    It's gonna be a Bernie sweep today... Warren and Bloomberg will have a showing.. Just a reminder that they are both still in the race.. Biden?? He'll get some crumbs...

    Amy, Steyer & Buttagig voters have already rejected Biden.. Simply by virtue of them being Amy, Steyer & Buttagig voters... They'll either, as CW postulated, will take a second look at Bernie or they will stay home...

    But it's going to be Bernie's night... That much is certain...

    Can I get a HOOOOAAAAAAA....

    :D

  9. [9] 
    Michale wrote:

    DH,

    It's amazing how many Democrats can get over not only the vote for a billionaire thing but can get over the vote for a big money candidate thing.

    Too bad Democrats alone won't beat Trump in the general election.

    Hmmmmmmm Where have I heard that before??? :D

    Small contribution Bernie is the best candidate to beat Trump- hands down.

    If campaigns didn't run on money, you would be dead on ballz factually accurate..

    But they do, so yer not..

    Or you will be listening to Michale gloat for four more years.

    "I am..... inevitable"
    -Thanos

    :D

    Them listening me gloat for the next 4 years is pre-ordained...

    Action is more impressive than predictions.

    Excepting when the actions are predicted to be impossible..

    You can't change human nature, DH.. I admire your passion.. I really do... It's second only to mine..

    But even passion must bow to reality.. And in THIS reality of the here and now, the world of politics runs on money...

    "You don't need the press, you don't need endorsements, you don't even need the truth. You need money."
    -Ron Silver, TIMECOP

    Bloomberg's proven that life follows art...

    And even art is all about money..

    As the resident Sheriff Of Weigantia....

    (not to be confused with the Warden Of Weigantia.. She wouldn't like that.. :D )

    .... I hereby duly bequeath upon you the Weigantian St Jude medallion..

    The patron saint of lost causes...

    You can't change human nature.. Certainly not within a single election cycle...

  10. [10] 
    Michale wrote:

    As far as Bloomberg, if a billionaire actually could buy the nomination of the Democratic Party, Tom Steyer would be riding really high right about now.

    Steyer doesn't have the name recognition nor the history in governance that Bloomberg has..

    Your analysis is faulty and has NO proper foundation..

  11. [11] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Listen-
    Yes, I have offered plenty to support this belief.
    I have not offered anything that says they would contribute- I just said they would vote.

    One in ten non-voters voting for the Dems would be 6% of the vote total added to the Dems.

    One Demand does get the big money out of politics. it doesn't do it completely immediately, it takes more than one election cycle to fix a problem that has been increasing for decades. Just like the Dems could not take over all three branches of government in 2018. Nobody should have bothered to vote in 2018 because it could not be fully accomplished in 2018?

    You are right that in 2020 it would be the Dems and not the Republicans. And that would a choice so different that it could inspire the one in ten to vote.

    Just like Ross Perot, Jesse Ventura and Trump inspired many non-voters to vote because they saw a different choice.

    And the Dems would not only be offering different it would be different and BETTER.

    I'm surprised you are not a Trump supporter. You make stuff up,say stuff that is not true and reach dubious conclusions just like Trump. Birds of a feather and all.

  12. [12] 
    Michale wrote:

    O'Rourke endorses Biden at Dallas rally on eve of Super Tuesday, as ex-VP appears to offer gun-control role

    In a surprise moment at the end of his Dallas rally on the eve of Super Tuesday, former Vice President Joe Biden called former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke up to the stage -- and vowed to put O'Rourke, who has said the government should forcibly seize assault rifles from Americans, in charge of gun-control efforts.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-rally-texas-buttigieg-klobuchar-endorsement

    Joe Biden just strangled his "electability" baby in the bath tub....

    Joe Biden has just made himself un-electable in an American election...

    It's THAT simple...

    Biden will be fortunate to get CRUMBS tonight..

    How many states voting are pro gun states??

    Virtually *ALL* of them to one degree or another..

    "Oh No. Poor Joe... He Has No.... {Brain}"
    -DAVE

  13. [13] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    And Steyer has (had?) less than 2 billion and Bloomberg has around 60 billion. Bloomberg has already spent close to or more than half of what Steyer had to start with.

  14. [14] 
    Michale wrote:

    Just like Ross Perot, Jesse Ventura and Trump inspired many non-voters to vote because they saw a different choice.

    While you do have a good point, it's a round peg in a square election in the here and now..

    Put another way.. In the LAST Presidential election, coming off a dismal, dreary and incompetent Odumbo administration, President Trump inspired many non-voters because he was a shining beacon leading us from a dark DARK tunnel of Democrat mis-rule and maladministration..

    You are asking voters to get excited about a change in leadership when they are STILL MORE excited about the current leadership..

    That is your fatal flaw in your plan in the here and now..

    You best bet would be to wait until we have another (gods forbid) Dumbocrat administration and wait until they run the country into the dirt (as they invariably do)...

    At THAT point, your radical idea has a chance to succeed..

  15. [15] 
    Michale wrote:

    And Steyer has (had?) less than 2 billion and Bloomberg has around 60 billion. Bloomberg has already spent close to or more than half of what Steyer had to start with.

    I am at a loss to understand how anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together could even CONCEIVE that Steyer and Bloomberg would be in the same class...

    One of those mysteries of life we'll never know, I guess..

  16. [16] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    But what really matters is what none of the candidates have- the integrity to run a small donor only campaign.

    "Better candidates a millionaire's money can't buy."
    -Chock Full o' Nuts jingle parody

    "Integrity. Priceless."
    -spoof on credit card commercial

  17. [17] 
    Michale wrote:

    Biden went on to thank Buttigieg for his endorsement earlier in the day as well. Speaking to supporters, Biden said Pete reminded him of his late son Beau during the debates -- a compliment Biden then falsely said he had not made before about any other politician.

    Poor Joe... Senility has set in...

    Electing Joe in there here and now would be like electing Saint Ronald Reagan AFTER his first 8 years in office...

    Joe should be put out to pasture to enjoy his waning years and waning faculties...

  18. [18] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    That was Mastercard, wasn't it?

    It's time that we cancelled the credit we give the big money candidates since they never seem to pay it back to anyone except the big money ionterests and for us to become the masters.

  19. [19] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Yes, the 40% that don't vote don't vote because they are satisfied with the way things are.

    2016 had nothing to do with Obama. Trump only won because the Dems nominated the one candidate that Trump could beat.

    So what if One Demand doesn't solve all our problems right now?

    Electing a big money Dem or re-electing Trump will not solve all our problems now either. But both will make the problem worse in future elections.

    One Demand will begin making things a little better now and make things much better for future elections.

    The only pragmatic choice.

  20. [20] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump Deranged Blue Checkmarks Get Punked By Obviously Fake Coronavirus Quote
    https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/02/trump-deranged-blue-checkmarks-get-punked-by-obviously-fake-coronavirus-quote/

    The stoopidity of Trump/America haters knows NO depths.. :eyeroll:

  21. [21] 
    Michale wrote:

    The joke, such as it is, is not subtle. Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-S.C., who went from mocking President Trump to generally supporting him, now claims that President Trump knows more than expert scientists, hardy har har har har har.

    I don’t mean to be rude, but if you can’t tell this is a joke, you have a serious problem. Either you are deluded by irrational Trump hatred, or you are a weak victim of the daily barrage of propaganda that comes out from anti-Trump corporate media. Neither is particularly flattering.

    So I was shocked to see how many people fell for it.

    Democrats are a caricature of hate and bigotry..

  22. [22] 
    Michale wrote:

    2016 had nothing to do with Obama.

    If that were true, then we would be living under the rule of President Shillary Clinton..

    2016 had EVERYTHING to do with Obama and his incompetence..

    Electing a big money Dem or re-electing Trump will not solve all our problems now either.

    It depends on which problems we're talking about..

  23. [23] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    2016 had everything to do with the incompetence of Obama for people that believe what they want to believe but not those that are able to recognize reality.

    If you want to see Bigfoot- you will see Bigfoot even when it's not there.

    The which problems are the problems that MATTER.

  24. [24] 
    Michale wrote:

    2016 had everything to do with the incompetence of Obama for people that believe what they want to believe but not those that are able to recognize reality.

    I'll entertain yer theory if you have FACTS to support it..

    The which problems are the problems that MATTER.

    YOUR problems which are problems are problems that matter..

    I can easily see the possibility of a person who thinks there should be MORE money in politics..

    And HIS problems matter to him (or her) a great deal...

    Eye of the beholder and all that..

  25. [25] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Obama was never incompetent. There are many legitimate knocks on him, but that isn't one of them. Hillary didn't lose because of Obama any more than she lost because of Comey or deplorables or anyone else but herself.

  26. [26] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Obama's and Trump's incompetence are in the eye of the beholder.

    My eye is looking at reality.

    You are looking through a Kaleidoscope.

    I usually save this for CW, but-

    Get Real.

  27. [27] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @don,
    there is measurable proof of a president's competence or incompetence. obama managed to get us out of multiple crises, and didn't get us into any new ones. it's a low bar, but one he cleared.
    keep your eye on the pie.
    JL

  28. [28] 
    Kick wrote:

    Steyer doesn't have the name recognition nor the history in governance that Bloomberg has..

    That was my point. It did require joining some dots, though, and not everyone is capable of dot connecting.

    As far as Bloomberg, if a billionaire actually could buy the nomination of the Democratic Party, Tom Steyer would be riding really high right about now. ~ Kick

    So the Berners' theme ad nauseam is money is "evil," and Bloomberg is evil because he has some of it and trying to use it to buy the election from the "pure" Berners. However, if money alone could actually buy the Democratic Party nomination, then Tom Steyer would have naturally already mopped the floor with it in Rounds 1, 2, 3, and 4 rather than winning zero -- count them -- zero electors for all that "concentrated evil" he spent.

    As far as Bloomberg's chances with the voters on Super Tuesday, whatever electors he wins from the vast majority of voters will be earned on the merits and not purchased by the ridiculous so-called "evils" of money.

    Say money but it won't get you too far.
    ~ Hall & Oates

    Your analysis is faulty and has NO proper foundation..

    Your inability to connect dots is alive and well.

  29. [29] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    Obama was never incompetent.

    Oh I am sure you believe that... But the facts are clear..

    Odumbo's was one of the worst administrations in recent history.. He only gets a pass because he is black..

    There are many legitimate knocks on him, but that isn't one of them.

    Again, I am sure you believe that..

    But over 12,000 American dead during the Swine Flu pandemic proves you wrong.. He was too busy having the CDC worry about guns than worry about what they were created to do..

    Hillary didn't lose because of Obama any more than she lost because of Comey or deplorables or anyone else but herself.

    Not solely, no.. But it's a bona fide fact that Hillary couldn't point to anything GOOD that Odumbo did that would have allowed REAL Americans, PATRIOTIC Americans to want to continue the Odumbo policies..

  30. [30] 
    Michale wrote:

    Your inability to connect dots is alive and well.

    They are only dots in your own mind.. No one else can see them but you..

  31. [31] 
    Michale wrote:

    My eye is looking at reality.

    Despite ALL the facts to the contrary.. :D

    Get Real.

    Ironically enough, I am the *ONLY* one here who IS getting real..

    We DO have President Trump yunno..

    We DO have 2 new SCOUTS justices and a 3rd on the way yunno...

    We DO have President Trump winning every court battle that has meaning.... yunno...

    Yea, I am the ONLY one here who IS real..

    All the rest of ya'all are deluding yourselves.. Living in a dream world because REAL is too much for ya'all to handle right now..

  32. [32] 
    Michale wrote:

    obama managed to get us out of multiple crises, and didn't get us into any new ones.

    Seven crises that have shaken the Obama administration
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/six-crises-that-have-shaken-the-obama-administration/2013/05/15/1afbdc8c-bda7-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_gallery.html

    You can't admit those because Obama has a -D after his name and you can't speak against the Messiah...

    But the facts don't make allowances for your delusions..

  33. [33] 
    Michale wrote:

    I am also constrained to point out that over 12,000 Americans dead during the Swine Flu crisis is all on Obama as well..

    You HAVE to admit it's factually accurate because ya'all are trying to blame the coronavirus on President Trump..

  34. [34] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Nypoet-
    Now, now. I did not say Obama or Trump was incompetent.

    I said incompetence was in the eye of the beholder.

    I do think Obama is/was more competent than Trump, but competence is not the problem with either.

    Competence working for the big money interests is a pretty low bar.

    I simply want to set the bar at adequate at the very least. And that means voting for candidates that will represent ordinary citizens instead of the big money interests- a bar Obama, Trump and the current Dem hopefuls do not clear.

    I would love to keep my eye on the pie, but all the big money candidates are offering is the leftover crumbs in the empty pie pan.

  35. [35] 
    Michale wrote:

    I do think Obama is/was more competent than Trump, but competence is not the problem with either.

    Facts to support??

    Or is this one of this IT'S SO OBVIOUS IF YER A HATER type thigns??

    Competence working for the big money interests is a pretty low bar.

    Again.. It's the reality of the here and now.. It won't change in our lifetimes..

    I would love to keep my eye on the pie, but all the big money candidates are offering is the leftover crumbs in the empty pie pan.

    Human nature.. Perhaps you heard of it... eh?

  36. [36] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK I have a deal for any network guru here..

    I have 3 computers at my house..

    ENTERPRISE
    INTREPID
    HOLODECK

    STARFLEET is the WORKGROUP (seeing a pattern?? :D)

    HOLODECK is my video server that has 10TB worth of storage. All our TV shows and movies we have..

    ENTERPRISE and INTREPID are Windows 10 machines.. HOLODECK is running KODI on a LibreElec flavor of LINUX..

    It USED to be I could see and share files between HOLODECK, ENTERPRISE & INTREPID with no problems..

    NOW, for some reason, ENTERPRISE & INTREPID are linked but can't see HOLODECK and HOLODECK can't see either of the other 2..

    I usually advise people to think back to what happened that might have changed.. Unfortunately, this is too far back in the past to have a clue...

    So, here's my offer.. Anyone helps me get these machines talking and sharing again...

    And I'll take a weeks vacation from Weigantia and let ya'all have a complete week with no Michale Comments...

    Anyone willing to make a deal???

    I stand ready....

  37. [37] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    "America is best when we strive to do great things."
    -Bernie Sanders

    Bernie says we can do the things that everyone said we can't do.

    Shouldn't we ask Bernie if running a small donor only campaign is one of those great things we can strive to do that everyone says we can't do.

    Everyone that is except Joe Biden who says we can do anything if we work together.

    It's time they were called out on what they say and asked why they are not doing what they say.

    "Shoot him!"
    -General
    "I can't, sir. He called you out."
    -Lieutenant
    Wagon's East

    Another good scene from that movie that you may expect to see from the establishment Dems against Bernie:

    "You know, your standard cavalry massacre. Ask him. He can tell you all about it."
    -Lieutenant (pointing at Indian)

  38. [38] 
    Michale wrote:

    "America is best when we strive to do great things."
    -Bernie Sanders

    The problem is people don't agree on what "great things" entails..

    For Democrats, "great things" is nullifying a free, fair, legal, duly, democratic and Constitutional election and ignoring the will of 65 million Americans..

    Real, patriotic Americans??

    Not so much..

  39. [39] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    It is a conclusion I have reached from observing the actions of both.

    You may have reached a different conclusion from seeing the same facts through your Kaleidoscope.

    That is not a difference that can be bridged with only facts as it is the interpretation of facts that lead to the conclusion.

    You are confusing conclusions with facts.

    Facts to support?

    Your comments.

  40. [40] 
    Michale wrote:

    You may have reached a different conclusion from seeing the same facts through your Kaleidoscope.

    And yet, the FACTS produced my "Kaleidoscope" conclusions that were **ALL** dead on ballz accurate...

    Even down to the EXACT EC count??

    How do you explain that??

    You are confusing conclusions with facts.

    No, that's what you are doing..

    I am stating my facts to support my conclusion.

    Again, using the previous race-based actions as an example..

    My CONCLUSION is that Democrats are MASTERS at using race and racism to push their agenda..

    And I listed SEVERAL facts to support that conclusion..

    You made a different conclusion and your only "fact" to support it is the claim that there are too many facts to list...

    And here we are... AGAIN... :D

  41. [41] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    And shouldn't the people that might agree that Bernie running a small donor only campaign would be a great thing should be provided the information about how they can use their votes to get Bernie and other candidates to run small donor only campaigns?

    Isn't it time that CW responded to being called out for not calling out the big money candidates?

    For people that are so sure that One Demand can't work, all of you are sure suspiciously afraid to have the idea put out there to compete with the big money candidates being offered by your respective ideologies.

    "What's the matter, runt? You, Yella?"
    -Mad Dog Tanner
    Back to the Future 3

  42. [42] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK I have a deal for any network guru here..

    I do have SSH access to HOLODECK and a VERY rudimentary knowledge of navigating myself around console LINUX...

  43. [43] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Now you are confusing conclusions with predictions.

    And I never said here there were too many facts. I said we interpreted them differently so repeating them is pointless. Kaleidoscope eyes.

    "Keep digging. The way out of the hole has to be down there somewhere."
    -Me in a previous commentary regarding Kick :D

  44. [44] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    I see your facts and raise you a different conclusion.

    And I have "the nuts".

    You have being the nut. :D

  45. [45] 
    Kick wrote:
  46. [46] 
    Michale wrote:

    Funny anecdote..

    I was doing some site work on a security surveillance machine.. A little 18-yr old girl, cute as a button, was there helping me.. The commander of the facility asked me to check out a vending machine that had been damaged in a wind storm a week or so back..

    Once I took a look at it, I asked if I could grab a couple of cokes out of there.. The cute like a button girl quipped up and said, "Ya gotta have money, Michale!! That's how democracy works!!!"

    I thought to myself, she's going to be a good little Democrat...

    True story...

  47. [47] 
    Michale wrote:

    I see your facts and raise you a different conclusion.

    You have to have FACTS to support or it's not a Raise..

    It's a fold..

    You have being the nut. :D

    Nut like a FOX!! :D

    This "nut" has ALWAYS been factually accurate in EVERY President Trump prediction and ya'all have ALWAYS been WRONG in every President Trump prediction..

    So, who REALLY is the nut here??? :D

  48. [48] 
    Kick wrote:

    DH
    43

    FACT CHECK: True

    But go ahead, keep digging. The way out of the hole has to be down there somewhere.

    It's your hole, Don, since you're the one who's expanding it and explaining how CW's written word means more than the ones he's authored. Only you know how far the rabbit hole goes since it's your interpretation.

    [Saturday, December 23rd, 2017 at 14:43 UTC]

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/12/20/gops-swamp-creature-of-a-tax-bill/#comment-112779

  49. [49] 
    Michale wrote:

    Referring to my HOLODECK problem..

    !!! SAMBA UPDATE – IMPORTANT !!!

    The fall “Creators Update” for Windows 10 removes SMB1 client/server support and NAS devices now ship with configuration that only supports SMB2/3 – causing problems because all versions of Kodi before 17.4 can only make SMB1 connections. This release includes changes that allow the Kodi SMB client and our embedded Samba server to work with SMB2/3 connections; improving SMB security and performance. However, it is a disruptive change:

    The Kodi SMB client sometimes fails to negotiate SMB3 with old Samba versions. There is a new option in Kodi Settings > Services > SMB client > that allows SMB2 or SMB1 connections to be forced for compatibility with legacy SMB servers.
    The embedded Samba server now defaults to minimum SMB2 and maximum SMB3 and the LibreELEC Settings add-on allows the supported SMB protocol versions to be changed for compatibility with legacy clients. It also allows configuration of the WORKGROUP name.
    Samba 3.x /storage/.config/samba.conf configurations must be updated to use the new Samba 4.x template (samba.conf.sample) as some Samba 3.x configuration is incompatible. The embedded Samba server may fail to start until this is done. If the reason for older changes was workgroup name please delete the file and use the new in-GUI configuration method.
    Browsing SMB shares via “Windows network browsing” in Kodi requires the browser service on the SMB server. This SMB1 service is removed from Win10 in the creators update and there is no equivalent for SMB2/3 versions of the SMB protocol. When Kodi makes SMB2+ connections (which is now our default) Kodi network browsing to add sources will not work. Windows SMB shares can still be added using the full server/share path. It is still possible to browse non-Windows Samba/NAS devices that advertise SMB shares via ZeroConf (aka Bonjour/Avahi).
    Connection failures to anonymous and guest shares are solved by creating a new local machine (not Microsoft ID) user and strong password for Kodi to use on the server, then assigning appropriate read or read-write permissions to the shares Kodi will access.

    https://libreelec.tv/2017/09/libreelec-krypton-v8-1-1-beta/

    In the immortal words of Tom Cruise...

    "Now, I don't know what all that means, but it sounds pretty bad.."

    Am I hosed???

  50. [50] 
    Kick wrote:

    Elizabeth Miller

    Crunched all the numbers. Joe is in great shape and right now (barring any unforeseen major event), on track to win the Democratic nomination. If -- big if -- Bloomberg drops out of the race this week (and that's the rumor), it's basically over. If Bloomberg doesn't drop out this week, Joe should take a decent lead in pledged delegates by mid to end of March... by Georgia or Puerto Rico.

    Hope this makes sense. In a hurry.

    That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Later. :)

  51. [51] 
    Michale wrote:

    . Joe is in great shape and right now (barring any unforeseen major event), on track to win the Democratic nomination.

    BBBWWAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Thanx.. I needed that laugh.. :D Vain attempt to suck up...

    Biden's **ONLY** advantage is the black American vote..

    And THAT is waning for Democrats in and of itself by the 10s of millions..

    Today will, once and for all, puncture the Biden/Electability myth..

    Bernie will be unstoppable after today..

    THEN, the fun and excitement will be in watching the DNC try to stop Bernie and how it will utterly tear apart the Democrat Party.. :D

  52. [52] 
    Kick wrote:

    Damn, you're dumb.

  53. [53] 
    Michale wrote:

    Damn, you lied again.. Said you were in a hurry.. But you took the time to read everything I wrote, word for word..

    We'll know by tomorrow whose dumb and who is brilliant.. :D

    Dumb will be the person who thought Hillary would win Florida and Pennsylvania and brilliant will be the person who said the dumb person was full of shit and that Trump would take Florida and Pennsylvania..

    History will repeat itself.. :D

  54. [54] 
    Michale wrote:

    Joe is in great shape and right now (barring any unforeseen major event), on track to win the Democratic nomination.

    Yea.. And Hillary had a 98.8% chance of being elected president.. :D

    "dumb" is believing what you hear SOLELY because you WANT to believe it...

    Biden botches Declaration of Independence: 'You know ... you know the thing'

    President hopeful Joseph R. Biden made social media headlines on Monday for all the wrong reasons after botching the Declaration of Independence in Texas.

    The former Vice President attempted to inspire a crowd by orating one of the most famous documents in world history, only to fumble over the words with “you know the thing.”

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident,” Mr. Biden, said. “All men and women created … by the — you know — you know the thing.”

    Yea... BIDEN is going to be the Dem nominee.. :D

    BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHA

  55. [55] 
    Michale wrote:

    I am betting that JL is praying that it's factually accurate.. :D

  56. [56] 
    Michale wrote:

    Given all the publicity, I can DEFINITELY see the hand of the DNC in all this.. :D

    The DNC is doing a HUGE PR push to make Biden appear inevitable..

    Bernie Bros ain't gonna buy it.. :D

  57. [57] 
    Michale wrote:

    Girl brags about 'getting her second abortion' in TikTok video where she documents her trip to a California Planned Parenthood leaving pro-life and pro-choice advocates shocked

    The since-deleted video, titled 'Abortion time, take 2,' shows the young woman getting dressed in front of a mirror while her friend holds a pregnancy test

    Clip jumps to show the young woman poking her stomach out before it jumps again to show the front of a Planned Parenthood in Pasadena, California

    She goes into the facility and mocks another couple that are there before she is seen by a medical personnel

    Video's caption suggests that this is also her second abortion

    Lila Rose, president of the pro-life group Live Action, posted the video to Twitter before it was removed for violating the platform's rules
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8060115/Girl-brags-getting-second-abortion-TikTok-video.html

    What is WRONG with you Democrats!!!???

  58. [58] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    No we saw the same facts and reached different conclusions.

    You are not the only one to make correct predictions about Trump. Perhaps you are confusing me with the Trump is toast-ers.

    I said in the 2016 primaries that while I didn't see how people could be fooled by Trump but that I said the same thing about GWB and Christie in NJ for governor and they won so Trump could win.

    I said Hillary would lose to Trump in the primaries and general election.

    But again those are predictions. Not facts (until proven true by time) or conclusions.

    And who is a nut is something else that people can reach different conclusions about from observing the same facts.

  59. [59] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    "Bernie will unstoppable after today."

    Well, there's one you may get wrong.

    (But I am assuming that you mean unstoppable in the primaries. :D)

  60. [60] 
    Michale wrote:

    No we saw the same facts and reached different conclusions.

    Which facts were those???

    You are not the only one to make correct predictions about Trump. Perhaps you are confusing me with the Trump is toast-ers.

    I am always open to being corrected.. :D

    And who is a nut is something else that people can reach different conclusions about from observing the same facts.

    All depends on which agenda they are pursuing.. :D

    (But I am assuming that you mean unstoppable in the primaries. :D)

    You assume correctly...

    Bernie doesn't stand a chance in the General...

  61. [61] 
    Michale wrote:

    Divided Supreme Court rules illegal immigrants can't be shielded from ID theft prosecution
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/divided-supreme-court-rules-illegal-immigrants-cant-be-shielded-from-id-theft-prosecution

    And President Trump wins ***ANOTHER*** win in the courts..

    One of these days, ya'all will give credit where credit is due and admit hate and bigotry are not good foundations for predictions..

    One day... :D

  62. [62] 
    Michale wrote:

    Just watched the latest PICARD...

    It always drags at the start..

    But I always end up being blown away... :D

  63. [63] 
    Michale wrote:

    Biden campaign rejects endorsement from beleaguered ex-FBI boss Comey
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-campaign-comey-endorsement

    Poor Comey.... He don't get no respect.. :D

  64. [64] 
    Michale wrote:

    Denver Democrat faces backlash after tweeting ‘solidarity’ for spreading coronavirus at Trump rallies

    Democratic Denver City Councilwoman Candi CdeBaca faced conservative criticism Tuesday after sharing a meme on Twitter suggesting she stands in “solidarity” with the idea of spreading coronavirus at President Trump’s campaign rallies.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/denver-democrat-faces-backlash-after-tweeting-solidarity-for-spreading-coronavirus-at-trump-rallies

    What IS it with you Democrats???

  65. [65] 
    Michale wrote:

    “The depths to which Democrats are sinking to politicize coronavirus is disgusting."

    Condemnation from Weigantians???

    {{{ccchhhiiiirrrppppp, ccccchhhhiiirrrrpppppp}}}

    Yea.. Cricket city...

  66. [66] 
    Chris Weigant wrote:

    Program Note:

    My Super Tuesday picks are now up. Check it out:

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/03/03/predicting-the-super-tuesday-outcomes/

    If I get over half right, I'll consider it a good night...

    -CW

  67. [67] 
    Chris Weigant wrote:

    Michale [65] -

    Just had to respond. Seriously? You think Democrats are the ones politicizing this?

    See Trump's remarks on coronovirus, please. He is the one who keeps bringing up politics, and he's the one calling Democrats names when he's supposed to be addressing the coronovirus.

    I mean, really -- what color is the sky on whatever planet you live on?

    -CW

  68. [68] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    53

    Damn, you lied again.. Said you were in a hurry.. But you took the time to read everything I wrote, word for word..

    Nope. I read to your pathetic "BWAHAHAHA" regular spew and ran right out the door.

    We'll know by tomorrow whose dumb and who is brilliant.. :D

    Well, I've got bad news for you: I already know who's brilliant, and I'm the badass. :)

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