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From The (Recent) Archives -- Pence? Kaine? Really?

[ Posted Friday, July 22nd, 2016 – 20:42 UTC ]

Program Notes: Before I begin, a few quick program notes are in order. I had promised a second installment of my "Friday Talking Points" retrospective today, but I didn't have time to put it together due to having to scurry around getting ready for our trip to Philadelphia. We've got the cat-sitter/house-sitter lined up, but there's always tons of last-minute stuff, so I just decided to bail on FTP and punt. So I'm re-running a column from only about a week ago, sorry for that (but you can see why it deserves more air time, today). Oh, I also have to admit, I have no idea what I'll be doing next Friday here at CW.com, either -- I can't even promise there will be a column at all.

This brings up a larger program note -- the schedule for next week will be absolutely fluid. Posts may appear at any time, in any order. Guest bloggers will be appearing. Multiple posts per day are possible. I may kick things off with a rare weekend post, on Sunday night. There will be no schedule at all -- it'll all be dependent on what is going on, when I have time to actually type and post, and what parties we'll be invited to (heh). But I'll try to post as frequently as circumstances allow.

 

Originally published on July 14, 2016

Will one of the most exciting primary election seasons ultimately end in sheer boredom? That was my immediate reaction today to hearing the news that Donald Trump is all but set on selecting Mike Pence as his running mate, and that Hillary Clinton's first choice might just be Tim Kaine. After I yawned widely, of course. Pence? Kaine? Really? These are the best two choices for vice president around? Wow.

Considering who else is on both candidates' short lists, these would be the most spectacularly mundane selections possible, for both Trump and Clinton. Perhaps that is the point, I will readily concede. Perhaps after all the excitement at the top of the ticket, some boredom will balance things out on both sides of the aisle. In Kaine's case, that isn't even a slur, but rather a self-evaluation -- he appeared on a Sunday morning political chatfest a few weeks back and described himself as "boring."

Of course this all comes with the usual caveat. The selection is not final for either candidate (at least not as of this writing -- confirmation may have happened while I've been typing), and although the Trump campaign is heavily leaking that Pence will be the choice, Trump himself might just be doing this to troll the media, once again -- he could easily change his mind later today and offer the slot to either of his other two top choices, Chris Christie or Newt Gingrich. It'd just be one more example of Trump being Trump, eagerly proving all the media talking heads wrong. All the Pence rumor-mongering might just be a feint, in other words.

I have to admit that I've thought all along that Newt Gingrich was going to get the nod. I thought this long before he was considered a top contender, in fact. Trump and Gingrich seemed perfectly compatible, at least personality-wise. The same case might also be made for Chris Christie -- who originally planned to be the loud-mouthed bully in the Republican presidential race, before Trump proved to be so much better at it than him. Christie has certainly done all he can to weasel his way into the running mate spot, appearing (zombie-like) behind Trump in public, whenever asked. But Christie doesn't add much political heft to the ticket. His experience has all been in New Jersey, and Trump was said to be looking for someone with experience with Congress, to help him pass his agenda (should he be elected). Gingrich isn't as shouty as Christie (for the most part), but he is just as entertaining. Newt loves getting under Democrats' skins, and he's actually got solid experience getting under the Clintons' skins as well. He's got oodles of congressional experience too.

The only problem with Trump naming either Christie or Gingrich as his running mate is he would risk occasionally being overshadowed by them. Both men have a proven ability to say outrageous things of their own, and this might lead to them getting out in front of Trump on a particular issue. It would certainly be a change seeing Trump get asked what he thought about someone else's outrageousness, that's for sure, but you could easily see how this might annoy Trump. But Christie or Gingrich certainly would fill the "attack dog" role traditionally expected of the running mate, as neither one has ever shirked from sparring with anyone who disagrees with them.

But because Christie or Gingrich would make so much sense as Trump's running mate, it's pretty jarring to hear that he's apparently going with a much safer choice instead. Mike Pence hails from the conservative and religious wings of the Republican Party, and is acceptable to a wide spectrum of Republicans, from the Koch brothers to establishment Republicans to evangelicals to Tea Partiers. He is definitely the "safe choice" among those on Trump's shortlist. He is also not known for wild bombast, meaning he'll likely never overshadow Trump on the campaign trail. Pence would also avoid a very tough re-election race that he may well lose (in his own state, Indiana). So he's got to be overjoyed to be Trump's pick (something that a lot of Republicans quite obviously wouldn't be, this year).

Pence would obviously gain Trump some acceptance from wings of the party that have so far been reluctant (at best) to support him. It would calm a lot of big Republican donors, to put this another way. Trump would be seen as -- for the first time in the entire election season -- playing things safe and accepting a fairly establishment candidate as his running mate. When else has the phrase "playing it safe" been used about anything Trump has so far said and done, after all? Still, as a political observer, I have to say that Pence is about as boring a selection as could be imagined from a character like Donald Trump, so it's disappointing to me personally (I would point out, though, that I'm not exactly the target audience for being excited about a Republican veep pick).

If Trump picks Pence, that might open the door even wider for Hillary Clinton to choose Tim Kaine as her running mate. Clinton has plenty of other candidates to choose from, some of them quite exciting, but the Clintons have always been known for playing things fairly safe politically. In other words, Clinton picking Kaine isn't anywhere near as shocking as Trump picking Pence.

Hillary has even more to worry about when it comes to being overshadowed by a more-rousing running mate. Picking a firebrand like Elizabeth Warren would certainly excite a lot of Democratic voters, but that in and of itself is a problem for Clinton. She would continually face snarky questions from the press about why her running mate was so much more popular with the crowds than Hillary could manage. John McCain is the best recent example of how this can hurt the candidate at the top of the ticket, since Sarah Palin was so much more exciting on the campaign trail than McCain ever was. Warren isn't even the only one on Clinton's shortlist who might wind up overshadowing Hillary's own campaign.

Kaine is the safe choice all around. He's currently in the Senate, but in a seat from a state with a Democratic governor (who has close ties to the Clintons, coincidentally). This means he could safely be replaced by a Democrat, should Clinton win. Clinton might even get to have an influence on who gets picked to replace Kaine in the Senate. Kaine is from Virginia, which is increasingly becoming a Democratic state (the population is demographically moving to the blue column), but is still considered a swing state in presidential elections. Obama won the state twice, but before that it had reliably voted Republican in presidential years. Bill Clinton never managed to win Virginia, for instance, even though he did win other Southern states.

Of course, there's one obvious way Kaine is about as conventional a choice as could be imagined: he's a white guy. Now, with a woman at the top of the ticket, many have cautioned that picking another woman (Warren, for example) would be too much for some voters to deal with. Gender aside, though, Kaine isn't exactly anybody's idea of a diversity candidate. He is fluent in Spanish, but he's not a Latino -- when there are multiple impressive Latinos on Hillary's shortlist. America has had a black president for eight years, but it certainly would be inspiring to see the first Latino named to a national ticket for millions of voters. Kaine being interviewed on Spanish-language television isn't quite the same thing.

Kaine is a fairly safe choice ideologically as well. He's not exactly known as a firebrand (he laughingly describes himself as "boring," please remember), so he'd never be in danger of overshadowing Clinton in any way. And if Trump is going the boring route, it would be easy for Clinton to also choose to walk the same path.

Even so, who could have predicted that the veep choices would be such a snooze-fest? In a year where Trump blew away all records for outrageousness on the campaign trail and Hillary Clinton fought a very hard fight against an aging Democratic Socialist who excited millions of young people, who would have thought that we'd all be yawning into our hands over their running mates? Mike Pence? Tim Kaine? Who? Really? Wow. Excuse me... (big yawn)... I think I need to take a nap or something....

-- Chris Weigant

 

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481 Comments on “From The (Recent) Archives -- Pence? Kaine? Really?”

  1. [1] 
    Chris Weigant wrote:

    I've been Wikileaked!

    Well, kinda...

    Check it out:

    https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/1298

    Scroll down about halfway (it's a long collection of clips).

    I'm in the DNC's database, I guess... does this mean I've "arrived"?

    :-)

    -CW

  2. [2] 
    Michale wrote:

    I'm in the DNC's database, I guess... does this mean I've "arrived"?

    You have indeed.. :D

    Congrats..

    Michale

  3. [3] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, in our READ 'EM AND WEEP segment..

    CNN probably regrets polling viewers after Trump’s RNC speech because, well… WOW
    http://tinyurl.com/hho5974

    73% of Americans liked Trump's speech and said that Trump would likely move this country in the right direction....

    56% of Americans said the speech would make them more likely to vote forTrump...

    Compare the facts to the gloom and doom of the Lamestream Media who panned and attacked Trump's speech.. :D

    The facts are in, my fellow Weigantians...

    Americans want Trump... :D

    Michale

  4. [4] 
    Michale wrote:

    And now the moment ya'all have been waiting for..

    "ABJECT HUMILIATION!!"
    -Jafar, ALADDIN

    :D

    http://mfccfl.ddns.net:1234

    u: weigantian
    p: hillarysucks

    Enjoy..

    No cracks about me being fat, bald and ugly...

    I mean, I am.. I just don't wanna hear it.. :D

    Michale

  5. [5] 
    Michale wrote:

    DELEGATES: CLINTON VP PICK SOLID, MAY NOT HELP DEM UNITY
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEM_2016_CONVENTION_DELEGATES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-07-23-02-54-08

    The Democrat Convention is not going to be pretty....

    Chances are good that Bernie will do to Hillary what Ted did to Trump...

    Michale

  6. [6] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    Sanders delegates were mulling ways to show support for Sanders during the convention, such as a walkout after the roll call of states Tuesday, according to excerpts of a Slack thread Friday obtained by The Associated Press. But many others also said they wanted to get direction from Sanders, who was scheduled to meet privately with his delegates Monday.

    Looks like ya made the smart choice.. :D

    Michale

  7. [7] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Just a thought:

    Any chance that Trump is in this to help his legal battles go away? If he wins, he'll remove judges he doesn't like; and if he loses, he can play up the argument that going after him would be political retaliation!

  8. [8] 
    Michale wrote:

    Just sose you people know..

    I am getting a LOT of dirty looks.. :^/

    Heh

    Michale

  9. [9] 
    Michale wrote:

    Any chance that Trump is in this to help his legal battles go away? If he wins, he'll remove judges he doesn't like; and if he loses, he can play up the argument that going after him would be political retaliation!

    And the same argument can be made against Hillary Clinton for the exact same reasons. :D

    Funny, iddn't it? :D

    Michale

  10. [10] 
    Michale wrote:

    “From the ashen, haunted faces around me in the press gallery, and the conversations over hastily guzzled drinks before and after, I feel sure I wasn’t the only person here who felt as if he were suffering from PTSD, sunstroke and a stomach virus, all at the same time. Still, it was an educational bout with the existential flu. Anybody who still thought Donald Trump was a joke and a dumbass who would humiliate himself and his party go down to Mondale-scale defeat now knows better. You can pick Trump’s speech apart and examine its flaws, of course, but from the point of view of performance and dynamics only one verdict is possible. He killed it. He. Killed. It.”
    -SALON Reporter

    Yep....

    Michale

  11. [11] 
    Michale wrote:

    And I have to say.. The continued revelations made by the WikiLeaks dump of DNC documents is DEFINITELY going to piss off Bernie and his supporters...

    It does not bode well for a unified Democrat Party convention.. :D

    Michale

  12. [12] 
    Michale wrote:

    DNC treatment of Sanders at issue in emails leaked to Wikileaks
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/dnc-wikileaks-emails/

    Yep... It's not going to be pretty...

    Michale

  13. [13] 
    neilm wrote:

    I'm in the DNC's database, I guess... does this mean I've "arrived"?

    I know I'm in their database (and several more) as I get 20-30 requests for money from Hillary, the DNC, etc. etc.

    The only person who doesn't pester me is my congressperson who I donate to on the provision that I'm not on their email or phone lists - I specifically asked :)

  14. [14] 
    neilm wrote:

    That is 20-30 request per day!

  15. [15] 
    neilm wrote:

    Any chance that Trump is in this to help his legal battles go away?

    Funny. Mind you, I'd guess that by the end of this fiasco he will have a slew of new lawsuits - probably 50% initiated by him.

    Also, he has a rape case that his newly found prominence seems to have triggered. Who knows if the allegations are true, but it will be a lot of fun watching Trump put through the wringer by some hostile lawyers in NY with graphic details of Epstein's behavior along side Trump claiming that Epstein is a great guy that likes younger girls.

    http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/

    Anybody who thinks the election is going to get more conventional now the primaries and conventions are over is probably thinking wishfully.

  16. [16] 
    Paula wrote:

    [15] Speaking of lawsuits: http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/jose-lambiet/article91353232.html

    Circuit Court Judge Jorge Cueto, presiding over a lawsuit related to unpaid bills brought by a local paint store against the Trump National Doral Miami golf resort, ordered the billionaire politician’s company to pay the Doral-based mom-and-pop shop nearly $300,000 in attorney’s fees.

    All because, according to the lawsuit, Trump allegedly tried to stiff The Paint Spot on its last payment of $34,863 on a $200,000 contract for paint used in the renovation of the home of golf’s famed Blue Monster two years ago.

    Donald Trump: champion for the little guy!

  17. [17] 
    neilm wrote:

    Speaking of lawsuits:

    Circuit Court Judge Jorge Cueto: Hmm - Donald, are you going to give us you insight into the partiality of Jorge?

    "I think I saw a picture of Judge Cueto with Charles Manson, just saying, but look at the guy standing under the picture to the right of the door! And people are also saying that Cueto is one of our reptilian overlords, I think that needs looking into."

    http://www.tlbradio.com/2015/03/did-charles-manson-receive-fair-trial.html

  18. [18] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ya'all have absolutely ZERO moral foundation to slam Trump for his lawsuits....

    ZERO... ZILCH... NADA... NONE....

    Clean yer own house first, then ya'all will have room to talk....

    Michale

  19. [19] 
    Michale wrote:

    Wikileaks hits DNC ahead of convention, competes with Kaine VP nomination

    The release of more than 20,000 pages of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee competed on Saturday with the big reveal of Virginia Senator Tim Kaine as the running mate of presumptive nominee Hillary Clinton.

    On Friday, Wikileaks dropped a bombshell cache of DNC emails. Among other things, the emails purport to show the party apparatus favoring Clinton's campaign over the insurgency of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. The DNC did not immediately respond to CNBC's request for comment.

    The news took center stage on social media, threatening to step on the Democrats' messaging, and may reopen the old wounds of a bitter primary season just as the party kicks off its national conference.
    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/23/wikileaks-hits-dnc-ahead-of-convention-competes-with-kaine-vp-nomination.html

    Until ya'all can acknowledge the reality of the here and now ya'all can't make a case..

    Michale

  20. [20] 
    Paula wrote:

    Watching Kaine's rollout speech -- this guy is gonna be a terrific asset. Upbeat, positive, smart, great backstory. And he speaks Spanish beautifully.

  21. [21] 
    Michale wrote:

    Also, he has a rape case that his newly found prominence seems to have triggered. Who knows if the allegations are true, but it will be a lot of fun watching Trump put through the wringer by some hostile lawyers in NY with graphic details of Epstein's behavior along side Trump claiming that Epstein is a great guy that likes younger girls.

    Do you know why Hillary is not mentioning such trash??

    Because Bill Clinton is MORE fully entwined with Epstein than Trump is... By a factor of 1000.. :D

    But, thanx for proving that you are as trash-minded and ignorant as you accuse Republicans of... :D

    Michale

  22. [22] 
    Michale wrote:

    Also, he has a rape case that his newly found prominence seems to have triggered. Who knows if the allegations are true, but it will be a lot of fun watching Trump put through the wringer by some hostile lawyers in NY with graphic details of Epstein's behavior along side Trump claiming that Epstein is a great guy that likes younger girls.

    Do you know why Hillary is not mentioning such trash??

    Because Bill Clinton is MORE fully entwined with Epstein than Trump is... By a factor of 1000.. :D

    But, thanx for proving that you are as trash-minded and ignorant as you accuse Republicans of... :D

    Michale

  23. [23] 
    Michale wrote:

    Watching Kaine's rollout speech -- this guy is gonna be a terrific asset. Upbeat, positive, smart, great backstory. And he speaks Spanish beautifully.

    And progressives still hate him..

    He is bought and paid for by the big banks and by Wall Street...

    You can put lipstick on a pig, Paula.. But he is still a pig... :D

    Michale

  24. [24] 
    Michale wrote:

    And now the Democrat Civil War begins..

    Bernie Sanders Campaign Chief Says Someone Must Be 'Accountable' for What DNC Emails Show
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-chief-accountable-dnc-emails-show/story?id=40825318

    Sanders is PISSED!!!! Who could have predicted that the Democrat Convention would be so full of animosity and acrimony that it would make the GOP Convention look like a love fest...????

    Oh... wait.. :D

    I hate making the correct call all the time.. :D

    This is going to be a great show!!

    Pass the popcorn!! :D

    Michale

  25. [25] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Michael [10]

    He lied about the state of this country and told scary stories of things to come that you'd expect from your grandpa living in a nursing home....everyone is out to get us! It's becoming more and more clear that having Putin's campaign team running the show for Trump is definitely effecting his position on foreign policies! The whole "we might not come to the aid of NATO allies that get attacked by Russia" crap was a wonderfully obvious Putin-inspired moment from Trump. Then there is the party platform which Trump didn't care to involve himself with....except for the strong language he demanded be added saying that they will not support providing the Ukraine with military aid against Russian aggressions. Throw in the minor detail of how Trump's main investors in his projects since his last bankruptcy have mainly come from Russia and connected to Putin, it looks like Trump might just be a Putin-puppet after all! And they thought the Chinese were going to be the ones buying our government out from under us!

  26. [26] 
    Michale wrote:

    Listen,

    He lied about the state of this country and told scary stories of things to come that you'd expect from your grandpa living in a nursing home....everyone is out to get us!

    The problem with that is that over 70% of Americans **AGREE** with Trump regarding the state of this country..

    That's the fact that you just don't get...

    Michale

  27. [27] 
    Michale wrote:

    Paula,

    Wall Street is *ECSTATIC* about Kaine...

    How does it feel to be on the same side as Wall Street?? :D

    Michale

  28. [28] 
    Michale wrote:

    For all the talk about how acrimonious the GOP convention was and how the Dem Convention will be all rainbows and unicorns and lollipops...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-grapple-with-intraparty-divisions-two-days-before-convention-opens/2016/07/23/10afeb04-50d1-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html

    .... reality and the facts sure have a way of coming around and biting ya'all on the ass, eh??

    Ya'all are so strangely silent on the DNC emails that prove beyond ANY doubt that the DNC was in the bag for Hillary..

    "Gee! I wonder why that is!!"
    -Kevin Spacey, THE NEGOTIATOR

    :D

    Michale

  29. [29] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    The problem with that is that over 70% of Americans **AGREE** with Trump regarding the state of this country..

    That's the fact that you just don't get...

    There you go throwing around that word "fact" again without fully understanding the definition of it! I highly doubt 70% of Americans agree on just about any topic, much less those associated with Trumpski. At one point in time 70% of the world believed the world was flat; that doesn't mean that they were correct. I love that you don't try to argue that Trump wasn't lying, just that a large number of people are foolish enough to be conned by him and the GOP!

  30. [30] 
    Michale wrote:

    There you go throwing around that word "fact" again without fully understanding the definition of it! I highly doubt 70% of Americans agree on just about any topic,

    Doubt all you want.. But it's well documented that over 70% of Americans think this country is headed in the wrong direction..

    I love that you don't try to argue that Trump wasn't lying, just that a large number of people are foolish enough to be conned by him and the GOP!

    I don't have to argue about Trump lying.. Because the facts clearly show that you don't really care about lying. Because, if you did, you wouldn't support Hussein Odumbo and Crooked Hillary because their lies surpass ANYTHING Trump has ever said...

    So, let's face reality. You only care about lying when it comes from a person with a '-R' after their name... :D

    Michale

  31. [31] 
    Michale wrote:

    By the bi.. Yer up early.. :D

    Michale

  32. [32] 
    Mopshell wrote:

    I am absolutely shocked by the choice of Tim Kaine as VP candidate. I have no idea why anyone thought he would be a good pick. But after one speech, just one speech, it seems all Dems are swooning over him as THE candidate of the century!

    Since so many of them think so highly of him, it's a wonder he had such tepid support prior to Friday evening. I have to wonder too what stopped him from running for President himself, especially since so many now seem to think he's better qualified than HRC.

    All those Dems who thought it was important to have diversity on the Dem ticket, are now thrilled to little bits that Clinton chose an old white guy ahead of four Latino candidates. Not only is that an insult to the Latino community but Clinton chose an old white who speaks Spanish. It implies that the Latino community should be grateful they got that tidbit of consolation because, apparently, no REAL Latino was good enough for the Democrats.

    They're also thrilled to death that he's someone who is 100% ready to take over as President on day one. I swear, a lot of them want Clinton to keel over before inauguration just to prove how important it was to choose a VP who's even better for the job as President than the presidential candidate.

    Democrats are signalling desperation; desperation to approve of HRC's VP candidate choice no matter who it was. I'm even seeing Democrats saying that they're relieved Kaine is an old white guy because a woman will never be seen as having real leadership ability. Wonders never cease.

    I find it all very depressing.

  33. [33] 
    Michale wrote:

    Mopshell,

    Yep...

    Hillary seems to have thought real hard about it and decided that Tim Kaine as the VP was the best way to LOSE the election... She seems to have called up Donald Trump and asked, "Hay, Don... Who do you think I could pick that would insure that you win the election??"

    By the bi.. Good ta see ya.. Hope you are well... :D

    Michale

  34. [34] 
    Michale wrote:

    Whoaa!!!!

    AND THE HITS JUST KEEP ON COMING!!!!

    WASSERMAN DROPPED FROM CONVENTION...
    DNC EMAIL DISASTER
    MOCK JEW BERNIE
    FAKE ANTI-TRUMP PROTEST
    SECRET FUNDRAISING WITH WASH POST

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/dnc-wikileaks-emails/index.html

    I almost feel sorry for the Democrat Party.. They were so snide and snarky condemning the GOP for their convention...

    And now that it's time for the Democrat Convention???

    PURE disaster...

    Michale

  35. [35] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Trump may get more votes than Hillary, but Clinton will be sworn in as president.
    The Kaine choice will cement the oligarchs behind Clinton and the voting machines will make sure that Hillary wins whether Trump, Stein or Johnson gets more votes.

  36. [36] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ladies and Gentlemen...

    https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/51/133262843_17493c7531.jpg

    Your Democrat Party.. :D hehehehehe

    Michale

  37. [37] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Don[35]

    You're going about this all wrong, Don.

    Decades from now, you'll still be saying the same things about the same problems.

    Too cynical, too pessimistic and names for causes that are simply too confusing.

    Have a nice day!

    :-)

  38. [38] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Mopshell,

    I am absolutely shocked by the choice of Tim Kaine as VP candidate. I have no idea why anyone thought he would be a good pick.

    Not surprising.

  39. [39] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Democrats are signalling desperation ...

    Hardly.

    It's quite obvious that what we have here is a classic case of projection.

    Do you see any positives at all about Clinton's pick for running mate?

  40. [40] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I find it all very depressing.

    Try to cheer up! :)

    There are countless depressing developments in our world today. Hillary's newly announced running mate is not one of them.

  41. [41] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's quite obvious that what we have here is a classic case of projection.

    There are plenty of facts that show the upcoming Democrat Party trainwreck...

    For those who are blinder-less :D

    There are countless depressing developments in our world today. Hillary's newly announced running mate is not one of them.

    Apparently, progressives see it differently..

    Michale

  42. [42] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    There is no accounting for progressives, Michale. And, that goes especially for the professional left! :)

  43. [43] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    There is no accounting for progressives, Michale.

    And, that goes especially for the truly hypersensitive professional left! :)

  44. [44] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    ?

  45. [45] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    My comments aren't coming thru, Michale .. of course, this one will , tho ... ???

  46. [46] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    no time for this

  47. [47] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Liz(37)-
    If we don't fix it soon By rejecting both CMPs then in a decade or so I won't be allowed to say the same things about how much worse the problems we have now have become.
    The people that are going about it wrong are the ones that keep voting for the Big Money candidates and then act surprised when these legislators represent the corporations instead of the people.
    Just say NO. It doesn't matter if Trump is worse than Hillary or Hillary is worse than Trump. The only thing that matters is they both will make things worse.
    That is not being cynical or pessimistic. That is not buying into the show that both CMPs put on for your entertainment while they work together to screw you on the issues that are important.
    Issues like the voting machines that have no way to verify that votes have been cast and counted correctly and other voting processes which protect the CMPs from competition so that all we get is an illusion of democracy.
    Democracy only works if you can actually change the status quo by removing those in power that are not representing the people. Anyone that votes for Trump or Clinton and other Big Money candidates is voting for the establishment and to maintain the status quo.
    Vote for what you want- Not what you are offered.

  48. [48] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Well, Don,

    As soon as I hear someone say that Hillary is just as bad or worse than Donald, that there is when it's hard for me to listen to anything said beyond that.

    Let's at least start from the point where Hillary is much, much better than her opponent and then we might be able to engage in an enlightening discussion about how we change the status quo for the betterment of all of us.

  49. [49] 
    Michale wrote:

    Let's at least start from the point where Hillary is much, much better than her opponent and then we might be able to engage in an enlightening discussion about how we change the status quo for the betterment of all of us.

    That's the problem..

    Ya'all start with a completely subjective opinion that is unsupported by facts and THEN you debate..

    And anything that DOESN'T start at that completely subjective opinion is rendered as "nonsense"...

    That is EXACTLY the problem.. Ya'all can't see past the ideology...

    Michale

  50. [50] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hillary is, in all the ways that count, much MUCH worse than Trump..

    Trump's incompetence never got Americans killed...

    Trump never endangered national security...

    Michale

  51. [51] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump has actually been SUCCESSFUL at his endeavors.. Trump has actually CREATED jobs for Americans...

    Hillary cannot make the same claim..

    In EVERY litmus test that matters to Joe and Jane Sixpack, Trump is way way WAY better than Hillary...

    And that is why Hillary will lose..

    Her VP pick proves that Hillary is nothing but an Establishment Stooge...

    Michale

  52. [52] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Maybe Joe six pack if he is white and hasn't attended college thinks Donald is better in every way. But Jane isn't so sure, while Juan and LaQuan definitely disagree, and grandpa Irving remembers "America First" sending his refugee cousins back to the death camps. In spite of her flaws, Hillary is better qualified.

  53. [53] 
    Michale wrote:

    Maybe Joe six pack if he is white and hasn't attended college thinks Donald is better in every way.

    Bullshit.. I can find MANY college-educated black Joe Sixpacks who are for Trump...

    But Jane isn't so sure, while Juan and LaQuan definitely disagree,

    Again bullshit.. MANY hispanics are for Trump..

    spite of her flaws, Hillary is better qualified.

    That's your opinion, but it's an opinion borne of bigotry and has absolutely NO FACTUAL basis...

    Everything Hillary touched turned to disaster... I would list them but I know the list would be ignored, so I won't even bother..

    Michale

  54. [54] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    That's your opinion, but it's an opinion borne of bigotry and has absolutely NO FACTUAL basis...

    incorrect. qualification for any job means having done similar or related jobs, or having studied related coursework. in the most basic, factual sense, hillary has done more jobs surrounding the presidency than any other person in history. partisans, pundits, you and i may disagree on how well she did those jobs, but they can't deny the fact that she did them.

    comparatively speaking, donald hasn't had a single government job in his life. some folks may think that being unqualified due to lack of participation in our system of government means being an "outsider" and is therefore a good thing, but there's no denying he lacks the background.

    JL

  55. [55] 
    Michale wrote:

    comparatively speaking, donald hasn't had a single government job in his life.

    ANd THAT what makes him attractive to over 70% of Americans..

    Because the people who HAVE had government experience have royally frak'ed up this country...

    hillary has done more jobs surrounding the presidency than any other person in history.

    And has done them very very poorly and very very incompetently....

    and is therefore a good thing, but there's no denying he lacks the background.

    I am not denying it.. I EMBRACE it...

    Just like I embraced it when Obama ran...

    Obama turned out to be an incompetent, though.. We know that Trump knows how to win....

    Michale

  56. [56] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Liz (46)-
    I didn't say Hillary was as bad or worse than Trump.
    I said they would both make things worse. So which one will make it more worse doesn't matter.
    Voting for Trump or Hillary because you believe the other is worse is equivalent to a woman that is beaten by her husband when she complains about his philandering and forcing sex on her when she doesn't want it saying that at least he protects her from being beaten and raped by other men.

  57. [57] 
    Chris Weigant wrote:

    Hello from Philly!

    More later, just checking in to check on the filter and free up any comments...

    -CW

  58. [58] 
    Michale wrote:

    Voting for Trump or Hillary because you believe the other is worse is equivalent to a woman that is beaten by her husband when she complains about his philandering and forcing sex on her when she doesn't want it saying that at least he protects her from being beaten and raped by other men.

    Now THERE is a visceral visual...

    Michale

  59. [59] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hello from Philly!

    Ola!! :D

    Stay safe, CW... From all indications, the 2016 Dem convention is going to make 1968 look like a family picnic!!

    Michale

  60. [60] 
    neilm wrote:

    Trump announces he will take the U.S. out of the WTA.

    Is this man completely mad or does he have no idea of the consequences of this threat (not even action, threat).

    Couple this with his NATO comments and I'm starting to wonder what big money groups support him - big money tends to be made via worldwide commerce that relies on stability.

    Take Adelson - makes his money from gambling in Las Vegas (https://www.onlinecasinoselite.org/post/chinese-new-year-celebrations-bring-record-profits-to-vegas-strip). What will be the impact of China tariffs and a WTO induced trade war? Adelson is obviously not got all of his marbles, but surely even his advisers can see simple correlations?

  61. [61] 
    neilm wrote:

    Trump announces he will take the U.S. out of the WTA.

    Is this man completely bananas or does he have no idea of the consequences of this threat (not even action, threat).

    Couple this with his NATO comments and I'm starting to wonder what big money groups support him - big money tends to be made via worldwide commerce that relies on stability.

    Take Adelson - makes his money from gambling in Las Vegas (https://www.onlinecasinoselite.org/post/chinese-new-year-celebrations-bring-record-profits-to-vegas-strip). What will be the impact of China tariffs and a WTO induced trade war? Adelson is obviously not got all of his marbles, but surely even his advisers can see simple correlations?

  62. [62] 
    neilm wrote:

    Trump announces he will take the U.S. out of the WTA.

    Is this man completely mad or does he have no idea of the consequences of this threat (not even action, threat).

    Couple this with his NATO comments and I'm starting to wonder what big money groups support him - big money tends to be made via worldwide commerce that relies on stability.

    Take Adelson - makes his money from gambling in Las Vegas. What will be the impact of China tariffs and a WTO induced trade war? Adelson is obviously not got all of his marbles, but surely even his advisers can see simple correlations?

  63. [63] 
    Michale wrote:

    Is this man completely mad or does he have no idea of the consequences of this threat (not even action, threat).

    Or, maybe Trump has more business experience in his pinky nail than you have in your entire body..

    That's the most likeliest of possibilities, especially when on considers how blinded by political bigotry you are...

    Michale

  64. [64] 
    Michale wrote:

    Couple this with his NATO comments and I'm starting to wonder what big money groups support him -

    That's the point..

    Trump ISN'T bought by big money, unlike your candidate, Hillary..

    Trump *HAS* big money... :D

    And he only owes allegiance to the American people...

    I really have to wonder how ya'all are going to handle saying PRESIDENT TRUMP :D

    Michale

  65. [65] 
    Michale wrote:

    I really have to wonder how ya'all are going to handle saying PRESIDENT TRUMP :D

    "Berta, how do you wash my underwear?"
    "Like everything else I do.. With love in my heart and a song on my lips.."

    -TWO AND A HALF MEN

    :D

    Michale

  66. [66] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @don,

    I said they would both make things worse. So which one will make it more worse doesn't matter.

    i disagree with you there. hillary may not be perfect, but she's competent and learns from her mistakes. in spite of her flaws, i think she'd do a pretty good job on the whole, would NOT make anything worse than it already is, and might even make a few things better.

    donald on the other hand is a complete wild card. he could create a new american golden age or he could start a nuclear war. unfortunately i think the latter is more likely than the former, but absolutely anything is possible.

    no matter whether or not you accept my or anyone else's assessment, in the near term these are the only options we have.

    Life is full of choices between bad and worse. It is better to choose ‘bad’ than to allow ‘worse’ to triumph.
    ~dr. steven m. cohen - hebrew union college

    http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/69955/will-conflicted-jewish-voters-choose-clinton-trump/#zt1gjEPGB03TYByZ.97

  67. [67] 
    Michale wrote:

    i disagree with you there. hillary may not be perfect, but she's competent and learns from her mistakes.

    Despite ALL the facts to the contrary.. :D

    Hillary has been lying and scheming and disassembling for over two and a half decades...

    She hasn't learned a damn thing...

    Michale

  68. [68] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @neil,

    Trump announces he will take the U.S. out of the WTA.

    i'm sure serena williams will be shocked. ;)

    i know you meant. it's a valid question. i have no idea whatsoever as to the answer, though.

    JL

  69. [69] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Hillary has been lying and scheming and disassembling for over two and a half decades...
    She hasn't learned a damn thing...

    @michale,

    disagree. although she has always been secretive, defensive and slow to admit mistakes, she has improved her political and diplomatic skills every cycle. attorneys are trained to scheme and dissemble - that's an occupational hazard - but she doesn't often lie. your usual response to that is a high percentage of the electorate believe she lies (which is an ad populum logical fallacy), or the few times an authority (CW for example) said she lied, even when the evidence doesn't support that conclusion.

    it's an incorrect perception, no matter how widespread. factually speaking, an intentional lie on hillary's part is extremely rare.

    JL

    “The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie--deliberate, contrived and dishonest--but the myth--persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. Too often we hold fast to the cliches of our forebears. We subject all facts to a prefabricated set of interpretations. We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
    ~John Fitzgerald Kennedy

  70. [70] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Don,

    What difference does it make!?

    Actually, it make quite a lot of difference.

    Now, I can understand why you would want to expound on minimizing the vast differences between what can or will be accomplished by a Clinton administration as opposed to a Trump administration and be dismissive about what the relative impacts of each would be in terms of positively changing the status quo.

    It may be a more productive exercise to consider who will be more likely to make incremental positive change as opposed to no change or making things worse ...

  71. [71] 
    Michale wrote:

    disagree. although she has always been secretive, defensive and slow to admit mistakes, she has improved her political and diplomatic skills every cycle.

    You misunderstand..

    A person who has integrity would learn from her mistakes that lying and cheating and deceiving DOESN'T work..

    You are saying that Hillary has learned from her mistakes and is a better liar, a better cheat and a better deceiver..

    In that, you are correct...

    But she hasn't learned to be a better person...

    Michale

  72. [72] 
    Michale wrote:

    your usual response to that is a high percentage of the electorate believe she lies (which is an ad populum logical fallacy), or the few times an authority (CW for example) said she lied, even when the evidence doesn't support that conclusion.

    Let me put it this way..

    For a person well-versed in lawyerly theory and who is an expert on disassembling what the definition of IS is, Hillary has never lied..

    For those who are grounded in reality such as myself, CW and over 70% of Americans..... Hillary is a congenital liar...

    Michale

  73. [73] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    More later, just checking in to check on the filter and free up any comments...

    Hmmm ...

  74. [74] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Voting for Trump or Hillary because you believe the other is worse is equivalent to a woman that is beaten by her husband when she complains about his philandering and forcing sex on her when she doesn't want it saying that at least he protects her from being beaten and raped by other men.

    Oh, you shouldn't vote for Hillary because Trump is worse. No, no, no ... not saying that, at all! Thought I was being clear. :(

    You should vote for Hillary because she is the best hope for moving the country forward and the best bet for listening to the people should they ever decide it's important to vote and to become politically active and demand the change they want.

  75. [75] 
    Michale wrote:

    And the big BIG donkey in the room that no one wants to talk about..

    DNC EMAILS

    :D

    The DNC convention is going to be AWESOME!!!! :D

    Michale

  76. [76] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    By the way, Don, that was a very, very bad analogy, anyway you slice it.

  77. [77] 
    Michale wrote:

    You should vote for Hillary because she is the best hope for moving the country forward and the best bet for listening to the people should they ever decide it's important to vote and to become politically active and demand the change they want.

    That is a personal opinion unsupported by ANY facts whatsoever...

    Benghanzi, Libya, Russia, Syria, Iraq...

    All of these are examples of the complete and utter incompetence of Hillary Clinton..

    Anyone who supports Hillary has a HUGE capacity for self-delusion...

    Michale

  78. [78] 
    Michale wrote:

    By the way, Don, that was a very, very bad analogy, anyway you slice it.

    That was a dead on ballz accurate analogy... :D

    Michale

  79. [79] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Is this man completely mad or does he have no idea of the consequences of this threat (not even action, threat).

    Or, is this a man setting up the scenario where, if elected, he will miss his own inauguration? What would happen in that case?

  80. [80] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Wake up on the wrong side of the bed, today, Michale?

  81. [81] 
    Michale wrote:

    Wake up on the wrong side of the bed, today, Michale?

    Business wise, it's been a crap day...

    Politics wise, it's been frakin' awesome!!!

    The Democrat Party is imploding, live and in color!!!! :D

    I am ONE majorly happy camper.. :D

    Michale

  82. [82] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    So, Michale, do you think Mr. Trump understands the difference between running a business (into the ground, ahem ... sorry cheap shot but, I could resist because I'm not that strong ...) and running an essentially democratic country?

    It sure doesn't sound like he understands the complex relationships between nations and that he's not running for the position of King of the World. That job is already taken, after all. Heh.

  83. [83] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, Michale, do you think Mr. Trump understands the difference between running a business (into the ground, ahem ... sorry cheap shot but, I could resist because I'm not that strong ...)

    Donald Trump has been involved in over 500 business ventures in his business life. Out of those, you can count how many have gone bad on two hands...

    If Obama had a minute fraction of that success, this country wouldn't be the shithole it is today...

    It sure doesn't sound like he understands the complex relationships between nations and that he's not running for the position of King of the World. That job is already taken, after all. Heh.

    Yea, that position has been held by Obama. But he is leaving in 6 months... Thank the gods...

    As far as what Trump understands...

    Ya'all said that Trump didn't understand politics and he wouldn't last first week of the primary...

    Ya'all were wrong..

    Trump has defied ya'all's predictions time and time and time and time and time again....

    So, the facts would seem to indicate that Trump understands a LOT more than ya'all understand...

    Michale

  84. [84] 
    apophis wrote:

  85. [85] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, the facts would seem to indicate that Trump understands a LOT more than ya'all understand...

    Sorry.. That might have been a cheap shot.. Apparently, I am not that strong either.. ;)

    Michale

  86. [86] 
    Michale wrote:

    [82] apophis wrote:

    Apparently, apophis wrote in invisible electrons.. :D

    Michale

  87. [87] 
    Michale wrote:

    I can always tell when I got ya'all on the ropes...

    I mention a relevant and timely subject ya'all don't like several times and it's always ignored.. :D

    Well, starting tomorrow ya'all simply won't be able to ignore it..

    So ya better come up with a rebuttal or a concession real quick... :D

    Michale

  88. [88] 
    Michale wrote:

    So ya better come up with a rebuttal or a concession real quick... :D

    Here are a couple suggestions..

    REBUTTAL:Ain't got nuttin'....

    CONCESSION:Damn, you were right...

    Don't say I never help a brother (or sister) out.. :D

    Michale

  89. [89] 
    Paula wrote:

    Sooooo looking forward to this week's events! Bernie handled the newest attempt to disunity Dems (the DNC hack) beautifully!

    Meanwhile, interesting allegations starting to appear about the Trump/Putin connection and how Trump is being used as a tool by Putin. The great Republican hope may turn out to be even worse that we already know him to be.

    I think it's possible we'll be finding out soon that Trump's been getting loans either directly or laundered, from Russian sources allied with Putin. After all, no American banks will lend to him anymore. And he just won't release those taxes...

    Read a great diary on KOS today too written by a Bernie delegate and covering yesterday's efforts by the rules committee. Described it as very positive; both sides worked together through a very long day and concluded with a solution re: Super Delegates that was embraced by both sides. I've read other stories too (from other sources) saying actual Bernie Delegates want to be constructive and have no intention of trying to screw up the convention. Doesn't mean their won't be mischief-makers, of course. We'll see. Cautiously optimistic on that front, though.

    Meanwhile, Tim Kaine is continuing to win people over. Feeling good!

  90. [90] 
    Paula wrote:

    Dis-unify

  91. [91] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    kaine supported TPP, anti-union laws, abolition of the estate tax, etc. - he's definitely a neo-lib, not a progressive. like hillary, he's competent and steady, but in my view it's a missed opportunity. kaine won't drive anybody away who was already voting democratic, but i seriously doubt he'll convince anyone on the fence or anti-clinton to change their minds.

    JL

  92. [92] 
    Michale wrote:

    kaine supported TPP, anti-union laws, abolition of the estate tax, etc. - he's definitely a neo-lib, not a progressive. like hillary, he's competent and steady, but in my view it's a missed opportunity. kaine won't drive anybody away who was already voting democratic, but i seriously doubt he'll convince anyone on the fence or anti-clinton to change their minds.

    That's my assessment as well...

    Kaine won't chase anyone away..

    But he sure as hell won't pull in any fence sitters...

    ESPECIALLY since Kaine is Wall Street's choice...

    Michale

  93. [93] 
    Michale wrote:

    I think it's possible we'll be finding out soon that Trump's been getting loans either directly or laundered, from Russian sources allied with Putin. After all, no American banks will lend to him anymore. And he just won't release those taxes...

    The 26th/28th TRUMP IS TOAST prediction..

    And WOW.. They are getting more and more outlandish!!!

    I predict the NEXT Trump Is Toast prediction has Trump being a Cardassian... Or, gods forbid... A FERENGI!!!!!

    OH THE HORROR!!!!

    Michale

  94. [94] 
    Michale wrote:

    kaine supported TPP, anti-union laws, abolition of the estate tax, etc. - he's definitely a neo-lib, not a progressive.

    Kaine also supports abortion restrictions...

    Michale

  95. [95] 
    Michale wrote:

    Sooooo looking forward to this week's events! Bernie handled the newest attempt to disunity Dems (the DNC hack) beautifully!

    So, the response to the DNC Email hack is to firmly plant one's head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist...

    Bernie supporters are going to tear apart the convention..

    We'll know in the next couple days who is right and who is wrong. :D

    Michale

  96. [96] 
    Michale wrote:

    Sooooo looking forward to this week's events! Bernie handled the newest attempt to disunity Dems (the DNC hack) beautifully!

    So, the response to the DNC Email hack is to firmly plant one's head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist...

    Bernie supporters are going to tear apart the convention..

    We'll know in the next couple days who is right and who is wrong. :D

    Michale

  97. [97] 
    Paula wrote:

    [89] ...change their mind.

    We'll see. I think he will cause some of those folks to change their minds.

    Time will tell.

    Meanwhile, I seem to be hearing CRICKETS about Trump/Putin. Must mean Michale absolutely 100% agrees Trump is a Putin tool!! SILENCE MEANS ASSENT!

    Need to see some. TRUMP/PUTIN t-shirts out there. I think Trump is far more allied with Putin than he is with Pence!

  98. [98] 
    Michale wrote:

    Bernie handled the newest attempt to disunity Dems (the DNC hack) beautifully!

    Yea???

    Got a link??? :D

    Michale

  99. [99] 
    Michale wrote:

    “Hillary Clinton cared more about protecting her own secrets than she did about protecting America’s secrets.”
    -Chris Christie

    The logic is undeniable....

    Michale

  100. [100] 
    Michale wrote:

    Meanwhile, I seem to be hearing CRICKETS about Trump/Putin. Must mean Michale absolutely 100% agrees Trump is a Putin tool!! SILENCE MEANS ASSENT!

    Nope..

    In THIS case, silence means there is nothing there...

    You haven't provided ANY evidence of this alleged PUTIN/TRUMP connection...

    Until then, how do you expect me to respond??

    Michale

  101. [101] 
    Michale wrote:

    I think Trump is far more allied with Putin than he is with Pence!

    Yea, but you think Trump is Hitler...

    So what you think is... uhm.. shall we say slightly skewed... :D

    Michale

  102. [102] 
    Michale wrote:

    Need to see some. TRUMP/PUTIN t-shirts out there. I think Trump is far more allied with Putin than he is with Pence!

    Speaking of T-Shirts:

    “Hillary Clinton cared more about protecting her own secrets than she did about protecting America’s secrets.”

    THAT is a lot better T-Shirt than anything you can come up with.. :D

    Michale

  103. [103] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    I'm with you, Paula. Not seeing that much disaffection from my Bernie friends either. Disappointed? Yes. Disaffected, no. Turns out that, nitpicking aside, Kaine has a solidly progressive record to run on, and malicious claims that he's some sort of neo-conservative don't ring true once you hear his bio...

    I think Kaine was a good pick for Hillary because: 1) Trump picked Pence, who has been both a Governor and Senator, and wouldn't hesitate to shove that right up the wrong end of any candidate with lesser credentials in the debates. And, 2) All of the flack that Hillary will be taking after next Thursday will be from the right, not the left, and Kaine has a track record of being able to fight righties and win over centrists. He has never lost an election.

    Ironically, Kaine's favorite and most useful tool on the campaign trail - his ability to speak Spanish fluently - probably wasn't a big factor in the Kaine pick because other possible candidates also spoke Spanish, and Trump is likely to have the worst showing among Latinos of the modern age in this election anyway.

    The Trump-Putin infatuation gets stranger by the minute. What's for Putin not to like about Trump? With Trump on the trail, Putin can probably put the whole propaganda wing of the Kremlin on vacation through the fall.

    Luckily, neither Putin nor Trump are likely to corner the market on subtlety, and this ham-handed attempt by a foreign government to influence our electoral process has already backfired.

  104. [104] 
    Paula wrote:

    "Silence means there is nothing there?"

    Is that so? Funny how that's the case for you but never for anyone else.

    These allegations about Trump are building and are serious stuff. Your denial and refusal to address them speaks volumes. Just as your blowing off the fact that he routinely screws his vendors while constantly asserting what a great businessman he is -- shows either that you are in denial or you approve of his tactics. Do you screw over your vendors? If so, how do you justify doing that? If not, why not? After all, you approve Trump's doing it.

    HRC has been investigated for 30 years and millions of dollars have been spent to that end. Results: 0.

    Donald Trump has been taken to court many, many times. He has several times settled, making sure the settlements are sealed so we can't find out the details of his guilt.

    You are so backing the wrong horse.

    TRUMP/PUTIN so Russia can run America! Vote today for your figurehead!

  105. [105] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Need to see some. TRUMP/PUTIN t-shirts out there.

    Great Idea, Paula! I think I know a place that can make one for me...

  106. [106] 
    Paula wrote:

    [101] Balthasar: Yep!

    I agree Kaine's fluent Spanish was probably not a major selling point but it is a really nice bonus! I loved the line in his speech: "Thanks for choosing us!"

  107. [107] 
    Paula wrote:

    [102] was for Michale (if that wasn't clear).

  108. [108] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    But what would go on the back? How about:

    "#&@K China!"

  109. [109] 
    Paula wrote:

    [103] B: Love it!

  110. [110] 
    Paula wrote:

    [106] Works for me!

  111. [111] 
    Paula wrote:

    [101} Balthasar:
    RE: Kaine's successful record on fighting righties/centrists -- yes! Good point.

  112. [112] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    By the way, Paula, I don't know if you caught the second Carroll-inspired poem I penned for you, "Uncle Donald", the other day - it got caught in a filter and didn't show up until the thread was nearly done.

    If you did see it, well, never mind.

  113. [113] 
    Michale wrote:

    I think Kaine was a good pick for Hillary because: 1) Trump picked Pence, who has been both a Governor and Senator, and wouldn't hesitate to shove that right up the wrong end of any candidate with lesser credentials in the debates.

    So, TRUMP determined Hillary's pick!!???

    hehehehehehe OK I like that..

    Hillary needs Trump to help her with her VP pick.. :D

    These allegations about Trump are building and are serious stuff.

    Yea.. They were JUST as "serious" a year ago when ya'all started this crap..

    Guess what??

    We found out that they ain't so "serious" after all....

    Still waiting on that link.. :D

    I am guessing it's a Daily KOS link... :D

    HRC has been investigated for 30 years and millions of dollars have been spent to that end. Results: 0.

    The director of the FBI, a man that is UNIVERSALLY agreed as a man of integrity and honor said that Hillary was "EXTREMELY CARELESS" in handling national security intelligence..

    Yea, YOU would call that "0"...

    Joe and Jane Sixpack won't...

    You are so backing the wrong horse.

    That's what you keep saying..

    Yet Trump is the GOP nominee... Despite *ALL* your predictions to the contrary...

    Trump is going to be President as well..

    Michale

  114. [114] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Just look at Trump's strange attacks on NATO and our country not living up to our pledge to back other members if they are attacked. Who was that comment for? It makes us look bad to the other member nations! It makes our military personnel look weak and damages their credibility. The only person who that comment would please is Putin. It's no secret that Trump's campaign manager and much of his campaign staff were employed by Putin prior to running Trump's campaign. It was questioned early on whether the Feds would allow Trump's camp to receive the White House morning briefings that each party's candidate are included in because Trump's staff would not have clearance. Not sure what the final outcome was on that issue.

  115. [115] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    The director of the FBI, a man that is UNIVERSALLY agreed as a man of integrity and honor said that Hillary was "EXTREMELY CARELESS" in handling national security intelligence..

    THAT'S what you got out of a five-star twenty million dollar investigation?? That she was 'extremely careless'? Wait, I'm guessing that for another twenty or so million we can find out that she doesn't wash behind her ears!

    Yet she wasn't indicted, despite ALL your predictions to the contrary...

  116. [116] 
    Michale wrote:

    And WASSERMAN-SCHULTZ is toast!!! :D

    Yea, there is nothing going on within the Democrat Party!! :D

    hehehehehehe

    This is going to be an awesome awesome week!!! :D

    I can't wait to see Bernie do a CRUZ to Hillary.. :D

    Michale

  117. [117] 
    apophis wrote:

    Really too soon. Three months of down in the dirt nastiness. Will Mr Trump go all the way. After all he is a man of the moment

  118. [118] 
    Michale wrote:

    THAT'S what you got out of a five-star twenty million dollar investigation??

    You have your investigations confused...

    So, your ONLY defense of Hillary is that she wasn't indicted..

    Not that she didn't do anything wrong.. Not that she didn't royally frak up...

    No.

    Your ONLY defense of Hillary Clinton...

    She wasn't indicted

    hehehehehehe

    Do you see how utterly ridiculous you sound?? How your defense of Hillary is nothing but an indictment of her incompetence, her selfishness and her utter lack of morals and integrity..

    But hay... At least she wasn't indicted.. :D

    That would be a GREAT campaign slogan for da rhymes-with-witch..

    "HAY!! AT LEAST SHE WASN'T INDICTED"

    :D

    Michale

  119. [119] 
    apophis wrote:

    It's going to be a vanilla convention..

  120. [120] 
    Michale wrote:

    Michael Goodwin said it best..

    "In a country where honor and integrity reign, Hillary couldn't be elected dog catcher"

    That says it all about Hillary Clinton..

    Michale

  121. [121] 
    Michale wrote:

    Really too soon. Three months of down in the dirt nastiness. Will Mr Trump go all the way. After all he is a man of the moment

    If past is prologue, ya'all better get used to typing PRESIDENT TRUMP....

    It's going to be a vanilla convention..

    1000 quatloos says it's going to be 1968 all over again... :D

    I gotta ask...

    STARGATE SG-1 fan???

    Michale

  122. [122] 
    apophis wrote:

    We've known Clinton as been less than honest for the past 25 years. Old news...

  123. [123] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    I like "Putin/Pence" better!

    It makes it clear who sold out our country!

    Honestly, if it can be shown that Putin is financing Trump's campaign, it would be the catalyst needed to finally get campaign finance laws changed to prevent outside countries (And rich Americans) from buying our officials!

  124. [124] 
    Michale wrote:

    Regarding the leaked DNC emails...

    "I'm not shocked, but I'm disappointed."
    -Bernie Sanders

    Doesn't sound to me like Bernie is going to let this go..

    Ya'all just HAVE to know that Bernie Bros aren't going to let it go..

    Between the Bros and the (O)BLM racist hate group....

    Philly is going to burn...

    Stay safe, CW....

    Michale

  125. [125] 
    Michale wrote:

    We've known Clinton as been less than honest for the past 25 years. Old news...

    And that's why she has been able to get away with it for 25 years..

    Because ya'all look the other way in the name of Party Loyalty..

    It's ya'all's Partisan Ideological Filters.. Fully engaged...

    Michale

  126. [126] 
    apophis wrote:

    No facts about Putin financing Trump's campaign. He has been blackballed by large American banks...

  127. [127] 
    Michale wrote:

    Honestly, if it can be shown that Putin is financing Trump's campaign, it would be the catalyst needed to finally get campaign finance laws changed to prevent outside countries (And rich Americans) from buying our officials!

    Maybe.. But all it is now is unsubstantiated mud-slinging from the Left Wingery who will say ANYTHING about Trump, regardless of the facts..

    I thought ya'all were above that sort of thing...

    Silly me...

    Michale

  128. [128] 
    Michale wrote:

    No facts about Putin financing Trump's campaign.

    Of course there isn't..

    It's nothing but Left Wingery fear-mongering...

    Apparently, some here don't realize that this is a REALITY BASED forum...

    Michale

  129. [129] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    kaine supported TPP, anti-union laws, abolition of the estate tax, etc.

    Damn. wrong side of those issues ... she should have picked Tim Geithner and asked him to, once again, serve his country and move it forward.

    In case anyone thinks I'm joking, I'm not.

  130. [130] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Yeah, because the righties weren't just wetting all over themselves last week as they screamed "Guilty!" at Chris Christie.

    So despite investigations, and over-hyped accusations, and multiple 'documentaries', and despite getting a real-live attack dog with an orange hairdo to go for her jugular, the GOP is still going to have to beat Hillary straight-up.

    And nearly everything they've done to avoid that has put them in worse position for the General election.

    That must be very dispiriting.

  131. [131] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Shiiiit.

    kaine supported TPP, anti-union laws, abolition of the estate tax, etc.

    Damn. wrong side of those issues ... she should have picked Tim Geithner and asked him to, once again, serve his country and move it forward.

    In case anyone thinks I'm joking, I'm not.

  132. [132] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    [68]. Liz,

    Spot on! Saying that Trump and Clinton would have the same effect on this country regardless of which one is elected is asinine! It's dangerously naïve at best, and at worst....I don't even want to say!

  133. [133] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    "In a country where honor and integrity reign, Hillary couldn't be elected dog catcher"

    Yet she'd still be 1000x better than Trump!

  134. [134] 
    apophis wrote:

    STARGATE SG-1 fan. No, Ancient Egyptian mythological demon fan. The lord of chaos...

  135. [135] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    Does anybody watch that Canadian woman Samantha Bee's late night cable TV show? I never had, but I was bored this past Wednesday night and decided to watch her convention special. She interviewed a relative of mine! She didn't try to make him look like a fool despite his (R).

  136. [136] 
    apophis wrote:

    kaine supported TPP, anti-union laws, abolition of the estate tax and turning the banks loose. Clinton will have to stuff a sock in his mouth or she's toast.

  137. [137] 
    Paula wrote:

    [110] Baltasar: No I hadn't seen Uncle Donald! Thanks for posting the link -- terrific! Some talent there!

  138. [138] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Okay, I must be drunk ..

    I read Joshua's comment to say that Kaine didn't support TPP but does support the abolition of the estate tax and that he supports anti-union laws;

    Supporting TPP is good, supporting the other two is decidedly not good, not good at all.

    In any event, Tim Geithner supports the TPP, is not against unions and wholeheartedly supports the estate tax and. He was also the strongest opponent in the Obama cabinet of the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest Americans and of Republican tax and fiscal policy, in general.

    Yes, I miss him. :(

  139. [139] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:
  140. [140] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Hey, JFC ... who's your relative?

  141. [141] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Russ,

    Spot on!

    It happens. :)

  142. [142] 
    Paula wrote:

    Here's Josh Marshall's story re: Trump/Putin: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-putin-yes-it-s-really-a-thing

    Ends with: To put this all into perspective, if Vladimir Putin were simply the CEO of a major American corporation and there was this much money flowing in Trump's direction, combined with this much solicitousness of Putin's policy agenda, it would set off alarm bells galore. That is not hyperbole or exaggeration. And yet Putin is not the CEO of an American corporation. He's the autocrat who rules a foreign state, with an increasingly hostile posture towards the United States and a substantial stockpile of nuclear weapons. The stakes involved in finding out 'what's going on' as Trump might put it are quite a bit higher.

    There is something between a non-trivial and a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence for a financial relationship between Trump and Putin or a non-tacit alliance between the two men. Even if you draw no adverse conclusions, Trump's financial empire is heavily leveraged and has a deep reliance on capital infusions from oligarchs and other sources of wealth aligned with Putin. That's simply not something that can be waved off or ignored.

  143. [143] 
    apophis wrote:

    "Trump's financial empire is heavily leveraged and has a deep reliance on capital infusions from oligarchs and other sources of wealth aligned with Putin". Trump is playing a very risky game. U.S banks worked with him in the 90's, Putin will simply make you disappear if you default.

  144. [144] 
    Paula wrote:

    [128] Ballthasar: Yep!

    My husband loved Uncle Donald too, btw.

    [141] apophis: I hadn't known any of this. I knew Trump's fortune wasn't terribly liquid and involves a lot of financial sleight of hand, but I didn't know he'd been getting his dough from Russian oligarchs. That is something Americans have the right to know when considering him as a candidate for President.

  145. [145] 
    apophis wrote:

    Russian oligarchs are heavily invested in Trump. His own son admitted that most of their income came form Russian backed projects. all major U.S. have blackballed him, so he to where the money was, and that was Russia. Of course they do not loan money without something in return. Interest sure. Political power, yes...

  146. [146] 
    Michale wrote:

    ohmygods, the disaster!!!

    DNC member killing horses for insurance money.

    DNC making fun of black womans name.

    DNC telling each other, “I love you too. no homo.”

    DNC requesting a pull an MSNBC commentary segment.

    DNC controlling the narrative with time released stories.

    DNC conspiring to create false Trump information and release with Reuters.

    DNC Hillary supporters infiltrated Sanders campaign.

    DNC members going to complain to Morning Joe producers about his mentioning of a “rigged system.”

    DNC discussing their relationship with NBC/MSNBC/CNN and how to get better treatment.

    Super PAC paying young voters to push back online Sanders supporters. Paid shills.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/detailed-list-findings-wikileaks-dnc-document-dump/

    Face it, my fellow Weigantians..

    This is bad for the DNC... :D

    Very bad...

  147. [147] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, since we're ridiculing Trump as "uncle donald" I guess everyone is OK with Hussein Odumbo and Crooked Rhymes-With-Witch Hillary...

    Damn...

    I thought we had moved past that.... :^/

    Michale

  148. [148] 
    apophis wrote:

    DNC member killing horses for insurance money.DNC making fun of black womans name.DNC members going to complain to Morning Joe producers about his mentioning of a “rigged system.” This is serious stuff! The DNC is toast. HaHaHa....

  149. [149] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    He's a state rep from PA. He seemed uncomfortable with The Orange One.

  150. [150] 
    apophis wrote:

    He's a state rep from PA. He seemed uncomfortable with Mr Trump. There, I fixed it for you. Don't be an asshole..

  151. [151] 
    Paula wrote:

    Still nothing in Trump/Putin, Michale? Why is that? Why this stunning silence? Could it be you went hunting among your normal sources for some kind of rebuttal on this question and couldn't find one? Maybe Drudge/FOX/Breitbart didn't know about the Donald getting his dough from Russian oligarchs. Or maybe they didn't care. I wonder which?

    The more I think about it the more outraged I'm getting. Did the RNC vet him at all? Did they know this stuff and let it pass? Or didn't they know? Or did they find out too late?

    The Republican party's nominee is a puppet for Vladimir Putin.

  152. [152] 
    Paula wrote:

    on Trump/Putin

  153. [153] 
    apophis wrote:

    Paula: We don't know for a fact the Republican party's nominee is a puppet for Vladimir Putin. We only know that his son said that most of their money was coming from Russian backed investments...

  154. [154] 
    Paula wrote:

    [150] That was hyperbole. However, have you read the TPM article I linked to? There is certainly enough circumstantial evidence to warrant concern. This guy is one of two candidates for President. He's been doing serious business with a country that doesn't like us. Getting loans. Not giving loans. Getting loans. Per the article, the only stamp Trump's team put on the Republican Platform last week involved the US involvement in the Ukraine.

    Americans deserve to know whether we should be concerned or not.

  155. [155] 
    apophis wrote:

    Paula: Yes, we should be concerned.

  156. [156] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    apophis [150],

    We don't know for a fact the Republican party's nominee is a puppet for Vladimir Putin. We only know that his son said that most of their money was coming from Russian backed investments...

    Nice!

  157. [157] 
    Paula wrote:

    Did I miss the joke? Fail to read between the lines? Oh dear...

  158. [158] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Rearrange the letters in Vladimir Putin and you get "invalid Trump".

  159. [159] 
    apophis wrote:

    Very good LWYH...

  160. [160] 
    Paula wrote:

    [156] Seconded!

  161. [161] 
    Paula wrote:

    And the Trump/Putin t-shirt is already starting to appear: http://bluenationreview.com/trump-putin-alliance-probed/

    The idea must have been floating in the air...

  162. [162] 
    Paula wrote:

    http://bluenationreview.com/trump-putin-alliance-probed/

    See the graphic: a Trump/Putin t-shirt! The idea must have been loose in the ether...

  163. [163] 
    Mopshell wrote:

    Michale,

    Getting rid of the incompetent DWS is good news all-round for the Democrats. They should have ditched her after the 2014 midterms if not before. She's been nothing but an embarrassment to them. I hope she loses her primary too.

  164. [164] 
    Chris Weigant wrote:

    Hey everyone... new column up.

    On a Sunday, no less!

    :-)

    -CW

  165. [165] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Interesting about the Russian business dealings. Not enough yet to be damming and I would expect a business man like Trump to have his fingers in many pies including an occasional pirog. I bet his tax returns would shed light on these dealings and show the good or the bad. Maybe the issue could be used as a wedge to force Trump to release them...

  166. [166] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @mopshell,

    Dws was an albatross around the body politic long before she became national chair. She's not just incompetent, she's also filthy. I still remember her fighting against the fair districts amendments. to be a minority party and come out in favor of gerrymandering is about as nakedly self interested as it gets.

  167. [167] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Filthy?

  168. [168] 
    Michale wrote:

    Apophis,

    DNC member killing horses for insurance money.DNC making fun of black womans name.DNC members going to complain to Morning Joe producers about his mentioning of a “rigged system.” This is serious stuff! The DNC is toast. HaHaHa....

    I simply apply ya'all's standards..

    Replace DNC with RNC and you'll see what I mean..

    Michale

  169. [169] 
    Michale wrote:

    He's a state rep from PA. He seemed uncomfortable with Mr Trump. There, I fixed it for you. Don't be an asshole..

    Asking JFC not to be an asshole is like asking the sun not to rise in the east and set in the west.. :D

    Michale

  170. [170] 
    Michale wrote:

    Still nothing in Trump/Putin, Michale? Why is that? Why this stunning silence?

    It's called wifey time then sleep.. :D

    There IS nothing about Trump/Putin...

    You have a link from some biased wanker at TalkingPointsMemo...

    "Big whoop"
    -RALPH, Wreck It Ralph

    Michale

  171. [171] 
    Michale wrote:

    Apophis,

    Paula: We don't know for a fact the Republican party's nominee is a puppet for Vladimir Putin. We only know that his son said that most of their money was coming from Russian backed investments...

    Don't try to confuse the group with FACTS while they are on a bigoted hysterical rant...

    It annoys them.. :D

    Michale

  172. [172] 
    Michale wrote:

    Mopshell,

    Getting rid of the incompetent DWS is good news all-round for the Democrats. They should have ditched her after the 2014 midterms if not before. She's been nothing but an embarrassment to them. I hope she loses her primary too.

    It wasn't too long ago that DWS was the cat's meow around here.. :D

    Michale

  173. [173] 
    Michale wrote:

    Paula,

    [150] That was hyperbole.

    So is calling Hillary a bitch.. But you didn't appreciate that too much, did you??

    Double standards much??? :^/

    Michale

  174. [174] 
    Michale wrote:

    But you didn't appreciate that too much, did you??

    Double standards much??? :^/

    Cue indignant cries of, "Well, that's different"

    :D

    Michale

  175. [175] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, in other news..

    Some U.S. officers in Baghdad believe the Obama administration is rushing plans for a Mosul offensive so it takes place before the November presidential election, a retired general says.
    Retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Barbero said his contacts in Baghdad have relayed the concerns to him, fearing there is now an “artificial timeline” for what promises to be by far the toughest battle in the war against the Islamic State in Iraq.
    Iraqi Security Forces, which has made strides since the U.S.-led coalition began retraining its troops, may not be sufficiently prepared for a rushed operation. The troops face the monumental task of capturing a city of almost 2 million citizens and up to 10,000 Islamic State fighters and their booby traps.
    “There is tremendous concern that Washington is going to press for a Mosul operation to commence before the November election,” Mr. Barbero told The Washington Times. “The concern is, will the conditions be set on the ground by then, and I don’t think so.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/24/obama-rushing-mosul-offensive-against-isis-to-infl/

    That's our Hussein Odumbo...

    Doesn't care how many of our troops are killed..

    It's ALL about politics...

    Michale

  176. [176] 
    Michale wrote:

    But if it's T-Shirts ya'all are looking for...

    Bill Clinton RAPE T-shirt
    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8eb2a857b04594b95c058871ae7bea31c737ba51/0_198_894_536/master/894.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=22b09e26f61df65d01e206a827cf6b60

    There is one that's going to be a HOT seller....

    Michale

  177. [177] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oooooo Balthasar....

    Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump, which are traditionally measured in two-way matchups.
    There hasn't been a significant post-convention bounce in CNN's polling since 2000.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/index.html

    :D

    Judging from the news in the here and now, looks like Hillary's bounce is going to be downwards.. :D

    Michale

  178. [178] 
    Michale wrote:

    Apophis,

    STARGATE SG-1 fan. No, Ancient Egyptian mythological demon fan. The lord of chaos...

    A shame.. I love finding common ground with my fellow Weigantians over TV Shows/Movies..

    Listen and I argue like dogs and cats, but we are both devoted fans of SUPERNATURAL

    :D

    Michale

  179. [179] 
    Michale wrote:

    Speaking of movies...

    Liz?? Did ya happen to catch CA-CW yet??

    I don't mean to be pushy but, since I have bowed out of Democrat Convention discussions, I am going to need SOMETHING to occupy my hands..

    Idle hands, etc etc etc :D

    Michale

  180. [180] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Sorry, Michale ... not yet ...

    It's very considerate of you to take a break from here for the next four days. That is what you meant, right?

    I'm probably going to do the same; I'm not planning to watch any of it, save for Biden's speech.

    I will predict, however, that Hillary won't do herself any favours at this convention. I really don't think she knows how.

  181. [181] 
    Michale wrote:

    If the election were held Monday, Donald Trump would likely win.

    That's what renowned statistician Nate Silver projected on Monday for his data journalism outlet FiveThirtyEight.

    In his "Now-cast" election model for who would win if ballots were cast Monday, Silver gave the Republican nominee a 57.5% chance of winning the presidency.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/nate-silver-donald-trump-polls-2016-7

    :D

    Michale

  182. [182] 
    Michale wrote:

    Got to give credit to Nate Silver... He is being true to his methods..

    Michale

  183. [183] 
    Michale wrote:

    Sorry, Michale ... not yet ...

    Bummer.. Well, you'll like it when you do.. I can't wait to learn whether you are Team Cap or Team Iron Man :D

    It's very considerate of you to take a break from here for the next four days. That is what you meant, right?

    Not from "here" as in Wegantia...

    But I will take a break from the DNC Commentaries by CW... He doesn't need me dragging everyone down..

    This is his moment.. Not mine..

    I'll still be posting in this commentary and any commentary not dedicated to DNC reporting..

    So, if ya wanna chat, this is where I'll be... :D

    I will predict, however, that Hillary won't do herself any favours at this convention. I really don't think she knows how.

    I know, right!?? She is like the Palestinians... Never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity...

    Her VP pick is a perfect example of that...

    Michale

  184. [184] 
    Michale wrote:

    I'll still be posting in this commentary and any commentary not dedicated to DNC reporting..

    It's gonna be tough.. Especially with the latest development of how Bernie Bros nearly shut down a breakfast event a bit ago.. :D

    Michale

  185. [185] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @liz [167],

    yes. the word dirty is still too clean to describe DWS.

    @michale [182],

    why give nate silver credit now? the only thing that has changed is he's telling you what you want to hear.

    [/snark]
    JL

  186. [186] 
    Michale wrote:

    why give nate silver credit now? the only thing that has changed is he's telling you what you want to hear.

    [/snark]

    The credit comes, not from WHAT he is saying, but rather from the fact that he is actually saying it....

    Kinda like Glenn Greenwald... It's not WHAT they say...

    It's the fact that they are saying it at all is what is kudo-worthy..

    But I get your point and, any other time, you would be right :D

    Michale

  187. [187] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Oh, I am unmistakably Team Cap, Michale.

    That should go without saying. :)

  188. [188] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I know, right!?? She is like the Palestinians... Never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity...

    Precisely.

    She just may have missed the opportunity, cumulatively speaking, to be the next POTUS. I sure am hoping not, but ... oh, man ...

  189. [189] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oh, I am unmistakably Team Cap, Michale.

    That should go without saying. :)

    Awesome!!!! :D

    She just may have missed the opportunity, cumulatively speaking, to be the next POTUS. I sure am hoping not, but ... oh, man ...

    That is definitely a possibility...

    Michale

  190. [190] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I had you pegged for more of an Iron Man player ...

  191. [191] 
    Michale wrote:

    Joshua,

    irrespective of any greater good, she puts herself first, last and at every point in-between.

    Remind you of any other Democrat?? :D

    Michale

  192. [192] 
    Michale wrote:

    I had you pegged for more of an Iron Man player ...

    Nope... Tony Stark pissed me off..

    He's like one of those politicians who makes a mistake and then thinks the solution to prevent MORE mistakes is government intervention and supervision..

    You call in the government when you want MORE mistakes, not less...

    Michale

  193. [193] 
    Michale wrote:

    Team Iron Man is pro-UN...

    "Let's let the UN take over.. What could go wrong??"

    :^/

    Like Cap said... "The safest hands are still our own"

    That's part of a trailer, so it's not a spoiler...

    Michale

  194. [194] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    That's great! I'm still surprised, though, that we're on the same team ... leave it to the Cap to create a little unity of purpose, eh?

  195. [195] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Remind you of any other Democrat??

    yes, but probably not the one you're thinking of. hillary already showed in 2008 that she is capable of swallowing her pride and working for the collective good. losing is always a bitter pill to swallow, but she took it well and helped obama win. twice.

    JL

  196. [196] 
    Michale wrote:

    That's great! I'm still surprised, though, that we're on the same team ... leave it to the Cap to create a little unity of purpose, eh?

    Yea,I know, right? :D

    One question I have... Is there a Civil War II??? Or are we just going to move right into AVENGERS-INFINITY WARS Part 1??

    Michale

  197. [197] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Either way, it's all good.

  198. [198] 
    Michale wrote:

    yes, but probably not the one you're thinking of. hillary already showed in 2008 that she is capable of swallowing her pride and working for the collective good. losing is always a bitter pill to swallow, but she took it well and helped obama win. twice.

    Point taken...

    But one or two exceptions do not negate the validity of the rule..

    I am also constrained to point out that Hillary didn't do it out a sense of the collective good or the needs of the many..

    She did what was required to put herself first..

    I mean, honestly. What else could she have done if her ultimate goal was the white house??

    Michale

  199. [199] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    fair enough, hillary has not hidden her ambition. however, she could just as easily have done what many top republicans are doing now and simply sat out the convention and the general election. instead she worked actively on behalf of the rival who defeated her. that's not even close to the level of shameless self-interest shown by DWS.

    JL

  200. [200] 
    Michale wrote:

    JohnM,

    Wasserman Schultz booed off stage in Philadelphia

    Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz was repeatedly interrupted and booed Monday as she sought to speak to Florida's convention delegation.

    The Florida lawmaker, who will resign after the Democratic National Convention this week after leaked emails showed top members of the DNC working to boost Hillary Clinton's presidential primary bid, had to strain her voice to yell over the flurry of protestors who showed up to interrupt her speech.

    "We need to make sure we move together in a unified way," she said over shouts from the crowd.

    As she spoke, people stood on chairs holding up signs that said "emails," "No!" and "Thanks for the 'help,' Debbie."

    Others repeatedly shouted: “Shame.”

    The heckling didn't stop even as Wasserman Schultz mentioned last night's shooting in Fort Meyers, Fla., that left two dead and more than a dozen injured.

    I think it is safe to say that, if we HAD made a bet, you would be wearing the T-Shirt of my choice.. :D

    Michale

  201. [201] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Settle down, everyone ... just settle down.

    Is she for real!?

  202. [202] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    In the here and now, DWS is the quintessential Democrat..

    Michale

  203. [203] 
    Paula wrote:

    [195] nypoet: yep.

  204. [204] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Hillary and DWS are cut from the exact same political cloth... Overriding ambition and a sense of vaginal entitlement...

    Michale

  205. [205] 
    Michale wrote:

    EXCLUSIVE: Democratic National Committeewoman says her party is 'clearing a path' for Hillary because 'the women in charge' want it that way
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3273404/Democratic-National-Committeewoman-says-party-clearing-path-Hillary-women-charge-want-way.html#ixzz4FRGC2I6S

    That's what I mean...

    Michale

  206. [206] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @michale,

    "vaginal entitlement?" really? i think it's time for you to keep your word and stick to movie quotes.

    JL

  207. [207] 
    Michale wrote:

    "vaginal entitlement?" really? i think it's time for you to keep your word and stick to movie quotes.

    Would you prefer, "Hillary thinks she is entitled to the Presidency because she is a woman"???

    Says the same thing...

    Michale

  208. [208] 
    Michale wrote:

    Paula,

    Michale's crickets continue.

    Only because you are ignoring the half dozen times I addressed this..

    There IS no story there..

    You have some Left Wingery rag posting some wishful thinking...

    That is the beginning and end of your "scandal"....

    Michale

  209. [209] 
    Michale wrote:

    Even if it were true, so what??

    Trump is just being "global"... Like ya'all are pushing...

    When ya'all start complaining about the tens of millions of dollars that Middle East countries gave Hillary's campaign... Middle East countries that EXECUTE gay people for being gay.... Middle East countries that treat women as property...

    Then ya'all will have a moral leg to stand on..

    Until ya'all do that, it's just blatant hypocrisy....

    Michale

  210. [210] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @207,

    better and not nearly as rude. anyhow i disagree. candidates use whatever tools they have at their disposal, whatever about their identity will make their candidacy seem more historic or interesting, whether that's being black, mega-rich, a woman, a rancher, a peanut farmer, a movie star, or whatever. i don't think hillary's gender entitles her to anything - identity politics is just one of the tools in any politician's toolbox.

    JL

  211. [211] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Would you prefer, "Hillary thinks she is entitled to the Presidency because she is a woman"??? ...Says the same thing...

    I think we would all prefer that, Michale. As you say, it says the same thing but in a way that doesn't lose the point in unnecessarily provocative language.

  212. [212] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK..

    So we can count on less Uncle Donald, Poor Donald etc etc mockings?? :D

    Michale

  213. [213] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I think so.

    I'm sticking with Mr. Trump.

    Well, you know what I mean ... :)

  214. [214] 
    Michale wrote:

    I think so.

    I'm sticking with Mr. Trump.

    Well, you know what I mean ... :)

    I do indeed... :D

    Michale

  215. [215] 
    Michale wrote:

    I think so.

    I'm sticking with Mr. Trump.

    And if everyone showed that level of maturity, then there wouldn't be any problems... :D

    Michale

  216. [216] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    just plain donald. crazy uncle was my contest entry, nothing more.

  217. [217] 
    Michale wrote:
  218. [218] 
    Michale wrote:

    Bernie is no longer in control of his supporters..

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/bernie-sanders-started-a-political-revolution-now-he-cant-stop-it/

    They are tired of waiting and they want their revolution now..

    Philly is going to burn...

    Michale

  219. [219] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hispanic delegates disappointed in Clinton VP pick
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hispanic-delegates-disappointed-in-clinton-vp-pick/article/2597572

    This is what happens when IDENTITY POLITICS comes back and bites ya on the ass.. :D

    Michale

  220. [220] 
    Michale wrote:

    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-bernie-backers-boo-saying-vote-hillary/

    Seriously...

    Your Democrat Convention is going EXACTLY as I predicted it would...

    Michale

  221. [221] 
    Michale wrote:

    Joshua,

    , or whether his supporters will sabotage his efforts by overplaying his position and demanding more than he can realistically get.

    A person's reach should exceed their grasp...

    Unless, of course, that person is NOT a support of Hillary Clinton.. :^/

    Michale

  222. [222] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Hey, Michale ... that's cheating!!!

  223. [223] 
    Michale wrote:

    Hey, Michale ... that's cheating!!!

    It's fudging.. :D

    I am staying out of the DNC commentaries.. If people want to read what I comment, they can come here.. :D

    Michale

  224. [224] 
    Michale wrote:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoPwPLIVMAA80DH.jpg

    hehehehehehehehehehe

    Welcome to Philly, Democrats :D

    Michale

  225. [225] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ya'all can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still going to be a pig..

    The Titanic-esque disaster that is the Democrat Convention makes the GOP convention look like a love-fest by comparison...

    Ya'all's convention is nothing but a parade of Establishment figures.. Figures that are RESPONSIBLE for the mess this country is in...

    Democrats couldn't have done a better job in showing why Americans should vote for Trump... :D

    And Americans are responding..

    68% of Americans say Clinton isn't honest and trustworthy
    43% of Americans say Trump isn't honest and trustworthy..

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/4-brutal-poll-numbers-that-greet-hillary-clinton-at-the-democratic-national-convention/

    Clinton's numbers are falling like a stone and Trump's numbers are rising..

    There will be no convention bump for Hillary...

    Trump has got this in the bag. :D

    Michale

  226. [226] 
    Michale wrote:

    Who could have predicted that the Democrat Convention would be such a slugfest of hate and vitriolic hostility??

    Oh... wait.. :D

    Michale

  227. [227] 
    Michale wrote:

    Even the progressives golden girl, Faux-chohantas was heckled un-mercilessly for being a sellout...

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren was repeatedly heckled Monday night as she delivered a speech endorsing Hillary Clinton to the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia.

    “We trusted you! We trusted you!” chanted factions of the audience comprised of individuals who were apparent supporters of Bernie Sanders and were seemingly upset with Warren’s endorsement of Clinton.

    Loud boos and jeers came soon after, when the Massachusetts senator said it was imperative that Clinton and Tim Kaine, her running mate, were elected to the White House.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/elizabeth-warren-dnc-speech-heckling-2016-7

    So THIS is what a "united" Party looks like?? :D

    Michale

  228. [228] 
    Michale wrote:

    WOW..

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/07/25/democrats-in-the-city-of-brotherly-love-day-one/

    No comments??

    I guess no one wants to comment unless I am around, eh? :D

    hehehehe

    Michale

  229. [229] 
    Michale wrote:

    And keep one thing in mind..

    This is not over. Not by a long shot... There are still thousands and thousands of emails yet to be exposed..

    And ya'all just HAVE to realize that the the worst is still yet to come.. :D

    Visions of damaging emails dancing thru my head.. :D

    What IS it with the Left Wingery and emails?? :D

    Michale

  230. [230] 
    Michale wrote:

    How many criminal cases is Trump involved in now:

    1. Rape allegation
    2. Trump U. Fraud allegation
    3. DNC server hacks allegation

    Rape?? Bill Clinton

    Trump U Fraud??? Clinton Slush Fund...

    DNC Server Hack???

    So, let me get this straight..

    Trump is now responsible for the DNC hack??

    If that doesn't prove how desperate ya'all are, NOTHING will... :D Ya'all were counting on a nice and pretty convention that would show the world how united the Democrat Party is..

    What you got was a hate-filled train wreck...

    And now ya'all are desperately throwing ANYTHING against the wall and hoping that SOMETHING will stick..

    But the only thing that will stick is how completely and utterly desperate ya'all are...

    As to the DNC email hack itself.... Let's face reality, people...

    The DNC got "hacked" because they were stupid... They used passwords like 'Obamain08' and stuff like that... And even POSTED those passwords in email...

    Stoopid is as stoopid does.. And the Democrat Party does stoopid very very well...

    Michale

  231. [231] 
    Michale wrote:

    Listen,

    That's why they won't just kick her to the curb...that and because she has been extremely loyal to Hillary, and Hillary appreciates and repays that level of loyalty.

    And THAT is what is so bad about Hillary and ya'all's support of Hillary...

    It doesn't matter WHAT evil, corrupt or greedy thing one does.. As long as one supports Hillary, they will be taken care of..

    What kind of message is THAT to send???

    People who support Hillary might as well hold up a sign that says in big bold letters, "I have no integrity, I have no principles, I have no moral center. I am enslaved by Party dogma. PARTY UBER ALLES"

    :^/

    Frankly, I would do all I can to avoid holding up such a sign..

    But I guess that is just me.. :^/

    Michale

  232. [232] 
    Michale wrote:

    People who support Hillary might as well hold up a sign that says in big bold letters, "I have no integrity, I have no principles, I have no moral center. I am enslaved by Party dogma. PARTY UBER ALLES"

    Present company excepted, of course..

    Michale

  233. [233] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    michale[221],

    no cheating!

    ;)

    JL

  234. [234] 
    Michale wrote:

    Who was it who said, "If Trump gets a Convention Bump and takes the lead and Hillary does not, then Trump will likely win the election."

    Whoever said that (Balthasar?? Stig??) I am going to hold you to that... :D

    Because it's beginning to look like that THAT is exactly what's going to happen..

    Especially when one considers that we have not seen the worst of the worst out of the DNC emails...

    Michale

  235. [235] 
    Michale wrote:

    no cheating!

    ;)

    I'm not.. I am staying out of the Convention commentaries, as promised..

    And, apparently, I am missed because NO ONE is commenting on the DAY ONE commentary.. :D

    Michale

  236. [236] 
    Michale wrote:

    Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump, which are traditionally measured in two-way matchups.
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/index.html

    I am guessing ya'all are hyperventilating right about now.. :D

    Michale

  237. [237] 
    Michale wrote:

    John M,

    Michale wrote:

    "Breaking Poll=> Trump on Track to Win More Black Votes Than Any GOP Candidate Since 1960

    Latino Support Upwards of 37%"

    Except that was ALL BS! If you had actually READ the article, you would have found out it was NOT A POLL, but a SUPPOSED ANALYSIS by some guy of DIGITAL COMMENTS, who did not explain his methodology or anything else. In other words, it was just MORE whistling in the dark.

    Of course it is.. :D

    Just like there would be no walkouts or boo'ing or disruptions in the Convention.. :D

    But the above "BS" polls is in keeping with the CNN polls and a multitude of other polls..

    I get it. Ya'all can't handle the fact that it's getting more and more probable that Hillary will lose...

    I understand and I really do feel for ya.. But facts are facts.. :D

    Michale

  238. [238] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    Yes.. I did respond to that link..

    Trump said no such thing. He simply said he would "consider" it..

    But the main point of that whole exchange is that a candidate CAN and WILL say anything to appease the voting block...

    Hillary does it all the time..

    But a candidate's ACTIONS.. THAT's indicative of the true stature of a candidate..

    Trump was putting gay people into executive positions while Clinton was pushing the DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE act..

    Based on ACTIONS, no words, Trump is definitely the LGBQTUVWXYZ candidate...

    Hillary just mouths the words and talks the talk..

    Trump actually walks the walk....

    Michale

  239. [239] 
    Michale wrote:

    Listen,

    I am curious how you and yours feel about having the likes of Trayvon Martin's mom and Michael Brown's mom speak at the Demcorat convention?

    Seems to me that THAT is a direct slap in the face to every cop in the country..

    The GOP is definitely on the side of LEOs in this country.

    The Dem Party is on the side of thugs and scumbags...

    That alone makes the decision very easy for me...

    Michale

  240. [240] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    - put 'Love Trumps Hate' into action,

    The problem with that is that the Democrat Party is ALL about hate...

    Hate cops.. Hate Trump.. Hate Trump supporters...

    Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate...

    Asking a Democrat NOT to hate is like asking the sun NOT to shine....

    Michale

  241. [241] 
    Michale wrote:

    it's JM's fault, he asked michale a direct question.

    ;p

    Yep...

    To NOT answer... to IGNORE someone...

    Well, that's just rude.... :D

    "How ROOOD"
    -JarJar Binks

    :D

    Michale

  242. [242] 
    Michale wrote:

    WALLS DON'T WORK
    -Faux-chohantas

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoPQZgYWcAAnqPu.jpg

    The hypocrisy is so in-your-face blatant and obvious...

    Michale

  243. [243] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    jar jar? really?

    http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae108/Emqtpi21/My%20Gifs%20to%20Me/tumblr_l5znxxrMfR1qasd8x.gif

    also, kindly refer to senator warren by her given name.

    JL

  244. [244] 
    Michale wrote:

    jar jar? really?

    http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae108/Emqtpi21/My%20Gifs%20to%2

    Full House?? Puulleeeze....

    :D

    also, kindly refer to senator warren by her given name.

    OK, OK.... It took me so long to break the habit of being respectful, it's going to take as long to break the habit of being disrespectful..

    But keep in mind, I'll be watching how others accept this new-found respect.. :D

    Michale

  245. [245] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale must stop slurring Senator Warren and all Native Americans.

    But, if he is not strong enough to resist the urge to blast his inner voice through the internets, then he must advocate with sincerity for the inherent rights of the indigenous peoples of his country.

  246. [246] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    there are always going to be some people who are respectful and other people who are not. which group you wish to join is your own decision, not someone else's.

  247. [247] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    But keep in mind, I'll be watching how others accept this new-found respect.. :D

    I think you've already seen how appreciative we are of respectful discourse. Keep it up and you will be amazed! :)

  248. [248] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Full House?? Puulleeeze....

    *shrug* you're the one who used a full house meme and attributed it to jar-jar.

    JL

  249. [249] 
    Michale wrote:

    Michale must stop slurring Senator Warren and all Native Americans.

    I'm trying...

    I think you've already seen how appreciative we are of respectful discourse. Keep it up and you will be amazed! :)

    Oh, I have no doubt you and Joshua are sincere.. If Balthasar and JFC and Listen and Paula and Neil and GT can be just as respectful???

    THEN, and ONLY then, will I be amazed.. :D

    *shrug* you're the one who used a full house meme and attributed it to jar-jar.

    Seriously???

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDwQJ64UpFQ

    there are always going to be some people who are respectful and other people who are not. which group you wish to join is your own decision, not someone else's.

    Troo... But some people make the decision very very easy.. :D

    But, I'll be watching..

    "Always watching. We're always watching"
    -Number One, MONSTERS INC

    :D

    Michale

  250. [250] 
    Michale wrote:

    But, since we have established it's not very nice to tease Warren about her impersonation of a native American....

    Can ya'all address her blatant hypocrisy when she said walls don't work to protect people while she was standing behind a wall to protect her...

    I would LOVE to see the response to that?? :D

    Michale

  251. [251] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, just for the record, I am not slurring Native Americans when slam Warren as an opportunistic race impersonator who wouldn't know facts if they came up and bit her on the ass...

    Any more than I am "slurring" black people when I slam Rachel Dolenz as an opportunistic race impersonator who wouldn't know facts if they came up and bit her on the ass...

    Now, I might be slurring stoopid, greedy, ignorant and people when I slam Warren and Dolenz...

    If so?? oH well

    If anything, it's WARREN who is slurring native Americans and it's DOLENZ who is slurring black people...

    Michale

    Michale

  252. [252] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    as far as i can tell, that accusation against warren is a myth.

    "the facts spell out that Elizabeth Warren most likely is of Native American descent, with supporting evidence available dating back to long before her birth. The facts also spell out that she never attempted to use it to get ahead in the workplace. Donald Trump is either lying about her, or he’s done too little homework to be aware that the accusations he’s throwing at her were iniitally crafted as intentional lies by her previous opponent."

    http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fact-check-yes-elizabeth-warren-is-of-native-american-ancestry-no-she-never-used-it-to-get-a-job/25004/

  253. [253] 
    Michale wrote:

    as far as i can tell, that accusation against warren is a myth.

    Of course you would say that.. :D

    But the facts are clear... Warren used her minuscule Native American blood to her advantage when job hunting..

    When it didn't benefit her to list herself as Native American, she didn't...

    These are the facts. And they are undisputed...

    But what do you think about her blatant hypocrisy vis a vis the effectiveness of walls??

    Michale

  254. [254] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    These are the facts. And they are undisputed...

    i think you use that phrase so often you've forgotten what it means. the ONLY fact that actually IS in dispute is whether or not the genealogical evidence that warren is 1/32 cherokee is valid. there is ZERO evidence that warren benefited from her purported heritage in hiring or admissions, neither intentionally nor unintentionally. nor is there any evidence that her family lore (extremely common in oklahoma) is inaccurate. that's all conservative mythology amplified by the righty echo chamber.

    the only concrete benefit warren got at all was contributing family recipes to a supposedly amerindian cookbook. not a great look, but not exactly trump-university level fraud.

    i have no idea what you're talking about vis-a-vis walls. since you've presented no facts yet to back up that claim, i'll reserve judgment.

    JL

  255. [255] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    also, full house ran from 1987 to 1995, while jar-jar didn't grace a screen at all until 1999. this is like when you attribute the 18th century french proverb about revenge being served cold to star trek.

    JL

  256. [256] 
    Michale wrote:

    also, full house ran from 1987 to 1995, while jar-jar didn't grace a screen at all until 1999. this is like when you attribute the 18th century french proverb about revenge being served cold to star trek.

    Exactly... :D

    Michale

  257. [257] 
    Michale wrote:

    i have no idea what you're talking about vis-a-vis walls. since you've presented no facts yet to back up that claim, i'll reserve judgment.

    Paul Ryan voted against building a border wall..

    Yet he has a wall surrounding his home to protect him and his family..

    That is hypocrisy...

    Warren says "WALLS DON'T WORK" yet she is protected by a wall around the podium when she spoke.. Seemed to work pretty well..

    THAT is hypocrisy...

    Clearer??? :D

    Michale

  258. [258] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Paul Ryan voted against building a border wall..
    Yet he has a wall surrounding his home to protect him and his family...

    personal security and national security operate on different principles. comparing them is like comparing border closings to locking your door at night - there may be symbolic similarities, but it's not remotely the same thing.

    JL

  259. [259] 
    Michale wrote:

    personal security and national security operate on different principles.

    Perhaps... But the concepts are identical..

    there may be symbolic similarities

    And symbolism, like perception is VERY important in politics..

    If someone wants a wall to protect himself and his family, but refuses to support a wall to protect Americans and THEIR families??

    Well, that person is a hypocrite by ANY definition..

    I noticed how you ignored Warren's totally BS statement that "walls don't work"... :D

    Michale

  260. [260] 
    Michale wrote:

    We'll just have to agree to disagree on the hypocrisy issue vis a vis building walls...

    Any leader who doesn't support building a border wall is not fit to serve the American people..

    Michale

  261. [261] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    and the winner is...

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

    no, the concepts are not identical. and even if they were, which they're not, the statement is absolutely not BS. the only case for a wall is to prevent terrorism, not economic refugees. as i recall, there used to be a wall like that somewhere in germany, and some person suggested that perhaps its caretaker ought to tear it down.

    JL

  262. [262] 
    Michale wrote:

    as i recall, there used to be a wall like that somewhere in germany, and some person suggested that perhaps its caretaker ought to tear it down.

    Talk about your logical fallacies..

    THAT wall was built to keep people in and hold them prisoner..

    The wall WE are discussing would be built to keep people OUT and protect the American people..

    California built a wall between CA and Mexico and illegal immigration dropped 95%... Border crime dropped almost 80%...

    Walls don't work, my ass....

    I'll tell you what DOESN'T work.. Obama's open border policy..

    Michale

  263. [263] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    anyhow, we're already becoming more and more successful at reversing illegal immigration, by removing the incentives for employers to hire them. a wall would probably prevent more people from leaving than moving in.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/mexican-immigration-to-u-s-reverses-1447954334

  264. [264] 
    Michale wrote:

    anyhow, we're already becoming more and more successful at reversing illegal immigration

    Lets ask Kathleen Steinle's parents about that..

    Let's ask the tens of thousands of Americans who have been raped and murdered and assaulted and robbed by illegal immigrants..

    What do ya think THEY would say??

    Michale

  265. [265] 
    Michale wrote:

    THREE comments????

    Com'on people!!! Jeezus....

    Michale

  266. [266] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Three? You mean, 83 ...

    The comments for Monday's post can be found under Sunday's column.

    Try to keep up, Michale.

  267. [267] 
    Michale wrote:

    RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!

    :D

    Michale

  268. [268] 
    Michale wrote:

    The comments for Monday's post can be found under Sunday's column.

    Try to keep up, Michale.

    3 Comments on “Democrats In The City Of Brotherly Love (Day One)”

    Du auch... :D

    Michale

  269. [269] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    anyone can pick out a single case of someone from a given demographic doing harm. if that were a valid argument, the catholic church would would not be allowed within a hundred feet of any child, much less be allowed to run schools.

    the violent crime rate for illegal immigrants is less than half that of the native-born. Kathleen Steinle is a real victim of crime, but that case is the exception, not the rule, and not a justification for building a two thousand mile wall to trap people here who were leaving anyway.

    JL

  270. [270] 
    Michale wrote:

    anyone can pick out a single case of someone from a given demographic doing harm.

    And if it were a "single" case, then you would have a valid point..

    But it's NOT a "single" case, so you don't have a valid point..

    the violent crime rate for illegal immigrants is less than half that of the native-born. Kathleen Steinle is a real victim of crime, but that case is the exception, not the rule, and not a justification for building a two thousand mile wall to trap people here who were leaving anyway.

    But the wall is not meant to trap people here.. That's just spin..

    It's meant to control our borders and keep the bad people out..

    Something the Demcorat Party is simply INCAPABLE of doing..

    Michale

  271. [271] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    California built a wall between CA and Mexico and illegal immigration dropped 95%... Border crime dropped almost 80%...

    Does your butt hurt pulling all those numbers out of them?

    Lets ask Kathleen Steinle's parents about that..

    Don't forget to ask them about the Federal ranger who neglected to secure his gun...

    Let's ask the tens of thousands of Americans who have been raped and murdered and assaulted and robbed by illegal immigrants..

    What do ya think THEY would say??

    More butt numbers? Over what time frame? Got any per capita data? Or would that make your argument irrelevant?

    Trump is unlikely to build a wall over what the Secure Fence Act already specifies. Mexico is not going to pay for it, and even if they did, he would still require a congressional spending bill in the billions to start it and congress would say no. For a wall to work, vast additional patrols would be required for it to work. Once you have that level of patrols, you don't really need the wall...

    "Fixed fortifications are monuments to man's stupidity."
    -General George S. Patton

  272. [272] 
    Michale wrote:

    Does your butt hurt pulling all those numbers out of them?

    Your concern over my butt really thrills me, Bashi.. :D

    Michale

  273. [273] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump is unlikely to build a wall

    Yea... And Trump is unlikely to win the the GOP nomination... :D

    Ya'all have been wrong about Trump over and over and over again...

    Why would you think all of the sudden you'll be right??

    Michale

  274. [274] 
    Michale wrote:

    Look... Ya'all need to pull your heads out of........ the sand and see REALITY..

    It doesn't matter if YA'ALL believe that Trump will do what he says.. Ya'all won't give a rat's ass about ANYTHING Trump says because ya'all are in the can for Hillary..

    What MATTERS here is will the vast majority of Americans believe that Trump will do what he says..

    And the answer to that is yes...

    So, get used to President Trump....

    Michale

  275. [275] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    The problem with that is that the Democrat Party is ALL about hate...

    Sigh.

    If only I could lock you in a room with Cory Booker for just five minutes, then it would be an excellent day in the neighbourhood, from here to eternity, so to speak.

  276. [276] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    And, in case anyone may be wondering just who in the heck I'm talking about in the comment above ...

    ... oh, ya'all know who I'm talking about!

  277. [277] 
    Michale wrote:

    If only I could lock you in a room with Cory Booker for just five minutes, then it would be an excellent day in the neighbourhood, from here to eternity, so to speak.

    Booker would be reduced to a blubbering mess. :D

    Because all he has is spin, unicorns and rainbows...

    And all I have are facts and reality..

    You don't think the Democrat Party is all about hate???

    I know a bunch of hospitalized cops and Trump supporters who know different...

    Michale

  278. [278] 
    Michale wrote:

    Black Lives Matter protesters want to send message to Clinton
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/07/26/black-lives-matter-protesters-hillary-clinton-democratic-national-convention/87580080/

    Yep.... United Democrat Party.. :D

    Michale

  279. [279] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    No it's not a single case, it's a rate of 1.6%, as opposed to 3.3% of legal residents. If there were a wall maybe it would protect them from us.

  280. [280] 
    Michale wrote:

    The difference is, of course, that "us" has a LEGAL right to be here..

    Illegal immigrants do not..

    That's the difference that makes ALL the difference...

    Michale

  281. [281] 
    Michale wrote:

    I mean, look at it this way...

    You support (O)BLM's aims, even though their actions will save ONLY 1 or 2 black people a year...

    Yet, 1800 black people will still be killed by other black people..

    So, I would think that the ability to save Americans from being raped and murdered and assaulted and robbed would interest you...

    No matter how few the number is..

    But I get it.. Saving American lives and protecting American lives is not on the agenda of the Demcorat Party...

    Too bad, so sad, Mr & Mrs Steinle... Your daughter was just a casualty of our agenda.. Tough luck...
    -Demcorat Party

    Yea... Nice... :^/

    Michale

  282. [282] 
    Michale wrote:

    Talk about failed logistics!!!???

    Special delivery! Democrats procure flags for convention stage after embarrassing oversight leaves Old Glory missing from Monday night's festivities
    Monday night's Democratic convention featured a sleek digital background – but no actual flags were found on the stage
    Donald Trump's GOP convention was bathed in patriotic imagery. A total of 36 American flags were on the stage during Trump's speech last week
    Democrats instead opted for a sleek gray background, with digital images of stars
    After the flag-less stage was reported on Monday night, flags were wheeled onto the stage Tuesday

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3709467/Special-delivery-Democrats-procure-flags-convention-stage-embarrassing-oversight-leaves-Old-Glory-missing-Monday-night-s-festivities.html

    "Ya know!!?? We should probably have some American Flags at our convention"
    -Demcorat Moron

    Jeezus, and these people think the Demcorats can lead this country!??

    Michale

  283. [283] 
    Michale wrote:

    4 Comments??

    Let me sum them up..

    "Democrats are awesome!!!"

    "Yep..."

    "Ditto"

    "I know, right!??"

    I just might have to jump in and save the day.. :D

    Michale

  284. [284] 
    Michale wrote:

    4 Comments??

    Let me sum them up..

    "Democrats are awesome!!!"

    "Yep..."

    "Ditto"

    "I know, right!??"

    I just might have to jump in and save the day.. :D

    Michale

  285. [285] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Is that your signature?"
    "Yes sir."
    "You don't have to call me sir. Is that your signature?"
    "Sir, yes sir."
    "You definitely don't have to do it twice in one sentence"

    -A FEW GOOD MEN

    :D

  286. [286] 
    Michale wrote:

    What I tell ya... :D

    Julian Assange: 'A lot more material' coming on US elections
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/26/politics/julian-assange-dnc-email-leak-hack/

    "I'm lovin it!"
    -McDonalds' Slogan

    Michale

  287. [287] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    Remember we had that little discussion where you said that there would be no walk-out of delegates or protests of delegates at the DEM convention?? :D

    I know we didn't have a formal bet or anything..

    But an acknowledgement that I was right would not be out of line here.. :D

    "Excuse me, I think a modicum of gratitude would not be out of line here."
    -Joe Pesci, MY COUSIN VINNY

    :D

    But it illustrates a common theme of mine perfectly..

    Ya'all (NEN) simply cannot CONCEIVE that your Democrat Party is as corrupt and frak'ed as ya'all accuse the GOP of being...

    Ya'all (NEN) are like those parents who say, "*OUR* son would NEVER be fighting!!!"

    When are ya'all going to understand that your Dems are absolutely and positively 1000% NO DIFFERENT than the Republicans you castigate and demonize??

    It's why ya'all simply cannot prevail in any debate with me..

    Because ya'all start from a position of unreality brought about by totally Party enslavement..

    Michale

  288. [288] 
    Michale wrote:

    "White people to the back, black people to the front!"
    (O)BLM Organizer

    Oh yea... (O)BLM is not a racist hate group.. :^/

    It was wrong to order Rosa Parks to the back...

    But I guess racism is perfectly acceptable when black people do it. :^/

    Michale

  289. [289] 
    Michale wrote:

    http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Bill+Clinton+Democratic+National+Convention+qjwfGzGwBdSl.jpg

    Wasn't that the same crooked finger waggle when Clinton denied having sex with Monica Lewinsky??? :D

    Michale

  290. [290] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Bill Clinton proves, once again, that he is the "explainer-in-chief".

    Well, as long as he is kept busy explaining stuff, everything should be okay. :)

    Yet, he didn't explain ANYTHING between 1997 and 2000...

    He didn't explain why he raped Juanita Broderrick.. He didn't explain all the sexual harassment, he didn't explain all the sexual assaults, he didn't explain all the... er... "rides" on the Lolita Express with his BFF Epstein.. He didn't explain all the wild nights on "Orgy Islang"....

    He didn't explain NONE of that...

    Why is that??

    More to the point.. Why do ya'all let him get away with NOT explaining any of it??

    Oh, that's right.. I forgot.. Clinton has that magical '-D' after his name that makes him immune to ANY and ALL criticism.. He is all rainbows and unicorns and lollipops.. :^/

    Michale

  291. [291] 
    Michale wrote:

    Emails: DNC Staffers Annoyed At Having To Commemorate The Holocaust
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/26/emails-dnc-staffers-annoyed-at-having-to-commemorate-holocaust/#ixzz4FbJHb6VB

    Yep, that's our Demcorat Party... :^/

    Michale

  292. [292] 
    Michale wrote:

    How much does the Democrat Party love America???

    They didn't have a SINGLE American Flag in view anywhere on Day 1....

    It's a pretty sad indictment of the Demcorat Party that the American Flag is an afterthought.. :^/

    Michale

  293. [293] 
    Michale wrote:

    They didn't have a SINGLE American Flag in view anywhere on Day 1....

    Don't tell me.. Let me guess..

    The Russians took them all.. :D

    Michale

  294. [294] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    You really should do something about your inordinate obsession, not to mention what can only be described as an odd jealously.

    Try basking in our sunny ways for a while and maybe some of it will eventually rub off on your Republican party. Though many Republicans, I have no doubt, have been reassured about their great country over the course of the first two day of the Democratic National Convention, if they are to be honest about it.

    And, please, please don't give me any of that non-serious NPA nonsense (is that redundant? hope it's not a double negative, as it were, heh). We're both too smart for that.

  295. [295] 
    Michale wrote:

    Try basking in our sunny ways for a while and maybe some of it will eventually rub off on your Republican party.

    I have no Party, Republican or otherwise..

    That's what makes me uniquely qualified to assess the facts here.. :D

    Michale

  296. [296] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    You're deluding yourself.

  297. [297] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Why am I suddenly humming STYX tunes?

  298. [298] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Hmmm ...

  299. [299] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    It reminds of a concert I once attended ... way back when ... but, I digress. Heh.

  300. [300] 
    Michale wrote:

    It reminds of a concert I once attended ... way back when ... but, I digress. Heh.

    San Diego?? 1978?? :D

    I saw STYX in concert.. Awesome show..

    You're deluding yourself.

    I know you believe that.. It's the only way you can reconcile yourself to your reality.. :D

    But isn't it funny how I predicted EXACTLY what was going to happen at the Demcorat Convention?? :D

    Michale

  301. [301] 
    Michale wrote:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/10/exclusive-juanita-broaddrick-provides-never-published-details-bill-clintons-rape/

    It's funny, in sad sort of what, what people can overlook in the name of Party or ideological loyalty..

    :^/

    Michale

  302. [302] 
    Michale wrote:

    Didn't I also predict Trump's huge jump in the polls after the GOP convention and that he would move ahead of Clinton substantially??

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

    Yes, I did. And I was right..

    Didn't I predict that Hillary's numbers would continue to go down and Trump's numbers would continue to rise??

    Yes I did. And I was right...

    Here's another prediction..

    Hillary will get a miniscule bump if any after the Demcorat convention... And it won't be enough to erase Trump's lead...

    Michale

  303. [303] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I saw STYX in concert.. Awesome show..

    Do you remember what act opened for them?

    But isn't it funny how I predicted EXACTLY what was going to happen at the Demcorat Convention?? :D

    That Hillary was officially nominated??

  304. [304] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I don't remember much about that concert in my neck of the woods but I have been a fan of PRISM ever since, especially loving Spaceship Superstar:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSyYqD9v_wo

  305. [305] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @m [282/293],

    flags? seriously? even if that story were true, which i sincerely doubt, is that the best line of criticism the daily mail can come up with? it's like the lapel pin/pledge of allegiance controversy all over again - such a tired line of attack that it's barely worth wasting the pixels.

    JL

  306. [306] 
    Michale wrote:

    Do you remember what act opened for them?

    Oh gods, I don't.. I was a 15yr old kid and was just thrilled to see STYX.. :D

    That Hillary was officially nominated??

    No.. That there would be hostility and walkouts etc etc.. Such a prediction was resoundingly ridiculed and denied..

    And yet, it's exactly what came to pass... :D

    Now, granted, I had hoped that Bernie wouldn't sell out and would pull a Cruz... And that didn't come to pass.. A shame.. Turns out Bernie is nothing but an Establishment Politician after all.. :(

    Party Uber Alles

    Oh how the mighty have fallen..

    I don't remember much about that concert in my neck of the woods but I have been a fan of PRISM ever since, especially loving Spaceship Superstar:

    :D

    Michale

  307. [307] 
    Michale wrote:

    Freddie Gray case: Charges against three remaining officers dropped
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-miller-pretrial-motions-20160727-story.html

    There never was ANY case against ANY of the officers...

    Nothing but Democrat racism at work...

    Michale

  308. [308] 
    Michale wrote:

    Joshua,

    flags? seriously? even if that story were true, which i sincerely doubt

    Fine. Then, out of the gazillion photographs and videos of DAY 1 of the Demcorat convention, find me an American flag that is part of the convention..

    You can't because there wasn't any to be found..

    You doubt it?? Then prove it wrong...

    such a tired line of attack that it's barely worth wasting the pixels.

    And that's my point. To patriotic Americans, the flag has great meaning...

    To the Demcorat Party, it's nothing but a tired line of attack...

    It's all part and parcel to the Demcorat Agenda.. America Last....

    Michale

  309. [309] 
    Michale wrote:

    Joshua,

    But if you don't want to talk about the lack of flags at Day 1, we can always talk about Trump's huge leap in the polls above Hillary..

    7 points and going up.. :D

    Michale

  310. [310] 
    Michale wrote:

    Balthasar,

    Based on what I saw, Fox News has been basing most of their coverage on the protests, and MSNBC has barely mentioned them. There's irony there.

    Just like MSNBC covered the protests at the GOP convention and FNC covered the convention..

    The same irony is there, but of course, you ignore that...

    Comes from being enslaved by Party dogma and ideology...

    Michale

  311. [311] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    find me an American flag that is part of the convention...

    http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/dnc.jpg

  312. [312] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    but feel free to keep parroting these untrue statements about flags in the face of all facts to the contrary.

    http://www.snopes.com/flags-banned-at-dnc/

  313. [313] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    or do you need video footage of the entire day 1 ceremony on c-span to prove that this story is fabricated nonsense?

  314. [314] 
    Michale wrote:

    I stand corrected.. I apologize (BLUE MOON) for my error..

    On another note.. It's simply AMAZING how many Blue Moons occur in Weigantia..

    Will anyone show the maturity and testicular fortitude that I have shown here and admit that the accusation against me was false??

    {{chirrrppp}} {{chirrrpppp}}

    Nope.. Didna think so...

    Michale

  315. [315] 
    Michale wrote:

    but feel free to keep parroting these untrue statements about flags in the face of all facts to the contrary.

    Yea, you have earned the right to gloat.. :D

    Michale

  316. [316] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, I guess we can talk about how Trump is in the lead now, eh? :D hehehehehe

    Michale

  317. [317] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @316,

    fair enough, you were right about trump's convention bump. i had thought all the acrimony at the RNC would prevent such a firm bump, but not the case.

    JL

  318. [318] 
    John M wrote:

    Michale wrote:

    "Trump said no such thing. He simply said he would "consider" it..
    But the main point of that whole exchange is that a candidate CAN and WILL say anything to appease the voting block...
    Hillary does it all the time..
    But a candidate's ACTIONS.. THAT's indicative of the true stature of a candidate..
    Trump was putting gay people into executive positions while Clinton was pushing the DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE act.."

    It seemed like a pretty FIRM response to me on the part of Trump about what exactly he would do, especially when he went on to list those he said he would appoint in another forum. I can also cite you other examples, as I said.

    So, the fact that someone hires someone who is gay also makes it ok that they would constitutionally take away their civil rights at the same time??? Kind of like the fact that simply because you hire a woman for a position also makes it ok to sexually harass her at the same time???

  319. [319] 
    John M wrote:

    Michale wrote:

    "JM,
    Remember we had that little discussion where you said that there would be no walk-out of delegates or protests of delegates at the DEM convention?? :D
    I know we didn't have a formal bet or anything..
    But an acknowledgement that I was right would not be out of line here.. :D
    "Excuse me, I think a modicum of gratitude would not be out of line here."
    -Joe Pesci, MY COUSIN VINNY"

    I will grant that you were PARTLY correct Michale. Since a walkout among Bernie supporters did happen. But also please note, it did NOT happen on the convention floor itself by any of the state delegations.

  320. [320] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, the fact that someone hires someone who is gay also makes it ok that they would constitutionally take away their civil rights at the same time???

    If Trump does that when he is President, then you will have an argument..

    Until that time, all you have is Partisan Ideologically based speculation..

    Michale

  321. [321] 
    Michale wrote:

    I will grant that you were PARTLY correct Michale. Since a walkout among Bernie supporters did happen. But also please note, it did NOT happen on the convention floor itself by any of the state delegations.

    Uh... yes, it did..

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/26/bernie_sanders_angry_delegates_walk_out_of_the_democratic_convention.html

    You can nitpick and split hairs all you want.. It's the Demcorat Way....

    But the fact is, Bernie delegates walked out.. Just like Cruz delegates walked it..

    Michale

  322. [322] 
    Michale wrote:

    I will grant that you were PARTLY correct Michale. Since a walkout among Bernie supporters did happen. But also please note, it did NOT happen on the convention floor itself by any of the state delegations.

    Uh... yes, it did..

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/26/bernie_sanders_angry_delegates_walk_out_of_the_democratic_convention.html

    You can nitpick and split hairs all you want.. It's the Demcorat Way....

    But the fact is, Bernie delegates walked out.. Just like Cruz delegates walked it..

    Michale

  323. [323] 
    Michale wrote:

    Another prediction I made has come to pass..

    Remember when I said I was amazed that Hillary was nearly non existent during Trump's convention??

    I said that Trump would be in the news, even during the Demcorat Convention...

    TRUMP STEALS SPOTLIGHT WITH FIERY PRESSER...
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/donald-trump/article92103212.html

    I am on fire!!!! :D

    Michale

  324. [324] 
    Michale wrote:

    "The other really important story that is growing is Trump's connections to Russian oligarchs."

    I know, right!? If this was the Democratic candidate, the Republicans would be screaming about it!

    Thank you Senator McCarthys... :D

    Seriously, ya'all screaming about Russians is really REALLY smacking of desperation..

    Yet, ya'all are completely silent on how countries that subjugate women and treat women as property and EXECUTE people for being gay... Those countries are FUNDING Hillary's campaign to the tune of TENS of MILLIONS of dollars...

    Your precious Obama has done "business" with Iran to further their terrorist and ballistic missile programs..

    And ya'all are COMPLETELY silent on that..

    Ya'all have absolutely NO moral foundation to complain about who Trump has done business with...

    NO.... MORAL.... FOUNDATION.....

    Michale

  325. [325] 
    Michale wrote:

    “Open skies, open cities, open hearts, open minds.”
    ~Richard M. Nixon

    strangely, not a wall to be found.

    Of course... Hillary is the Richard Nixon of this election..

    That *IS* the point you were trying to make, right?? :D

    Michale

  326. [326] 
    Michale wrote:

    The Donald mangles another press conference, but a few points emerge -- he's never met Putin (previously claimed he had), he'd like it if the Russians could do some more hacking and come up with HRC's deleted emails and he will not release his taxes.

    THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!!

    My god, the desperate hysteria is beyond the pale....

    Are ya'all really THAT worried about Hillary losing??

    Well... You should be... :D

    Michale

  327. [327] 
    Michale wrote:

    however, being that we here at CW dotcom are more reality-based, i think it's far too early for us to make such assumptions based on limited evidence. if donald and paul manafort are taking money from russia to advance their interests, it will come out. if not, we need to presume innocence. or at least ignorance. that's not too hard.

    But the Left Wingery HAS to have it's hysteria, JL...

    How else can they cover up all the malfeasance and incompetence revealed in the DNC emails...

    THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!! THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!!

    :D

    heh

    Michale

  328. [328] 
    Michale wrote:

    and he will not release his taxes.

    Trump will release his taxes when Hillary releases her Wall Street/Goldman Sachs speech transcripts...

    Funny how ya'all only want FULL disclosure from Trump, but Hillary gets to have all her secrets..

    Double Standard much??? :D

    Michale

  329. [329] 
    Michale wrote:

    All Charges Dropped Against All Remaining Officers In Freddie Gray Case
    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/07/27/all-charges-dropped-against-all-remaining-officers-in-freddie-gray-case/

    State Attorney Marilyn Mosby held a news conference..

    "Waaaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaa Ya'all just pickin' on me cuz I'm black!! waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaa"

    That about sums it up...

    This moron tried to sacrifice good cops on the altar of political correctness and the Demcorat Party agenda..

    And she got slapped down...

    End of story...

    Michale

  330. [330] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Of course... Hillary is the Richard Nixon of this election..
    That *IS* the point you were trying to make, right?? :D

    that's not exactly where i was going, but if it makes donald this election's hubert humphrey, i think i can cope.

    JL

  331. [331] 
    Michale wrote:

    that's not exactly where i was going, but if it makes donald this election's hubert humphrey, i think i can cope.

    So, you have no problem with equating Hillary Clinton with Richard Nixon if it means she will get elected...

    In other words, it doesn't matter WHO Clinton emulates, be it Nixon, Stalin or Hitler..

    As long as she gets elected.. :D

    Hokay...

    "yea... I can live with that.."
    -Keeanu Reeves, THE REPLACEMENTS

    :D

    Michale

  332. [332] 
    Michale wrote:

    But, yer right..

    I can so see Hillary standing up at the podium at a press conference saying, "Well, I'm not a crook"

    Ach... What am I saying...

    Hillary doesn't do press conferences...

    Hillary is too chicken to do press conferences...

    One has to wonder how she is going to face down our enemies if she is too chicken-shit to face the press...

    Wimp... No testicular fortitude for her... :D

    Michale

  333. [333] 
    Michale wrote:

    Why is it that the lamestream media asks Ivanka about Trump's treatment of women constantly??

    But never asks Chelsea about HER father's rapes, sexual assaults and sexual harassments??

    Once again, the Leftist MSM and their double standards..

    Of course, ya'all have the same double standards...

    Michale

  334. [334] 
    Michale wrote:

    Bill Clinton simply receives special treatment because he has a "D" next to his name. He continues to enjoy broad support from Democrats and is invited to speak at numerous high-profile events and paid lavish speaking fees. No other man accused of rape and sexual assault would be allowed anywhere near a Democratic event.
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/media-wont-ask-chelsea-clinton-about-her-fathers-treatment-of-women/article/2597906

    Yep...

    There can be no defense of this whatsoever...

    The entirety of the Left Wingery protects a man who has raped and sexually assaulted scores of women...

    Bill Clinton is no different than Bill Cosby, save that '-D' after the name...

    Michale

  335. [335] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, ya'all admit that Hillary's Emails on her private insecure home brewed hacked email server are a "national security issue"...

    It's about time ya'all conceded the facts..

    :D

    Michale

  336. [336] 
    Michale wrote:

    Apophis et al,

    Now former CIA chief Leon Panetta has told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour that Trump’s actions call his loyalty to the U.S. into question. What’s more, Amanpour says Panetta claims Trump’s statements raise questions over whether he’s conspiring with a foreign power.

    So, ya'all think it's bad that an American would ask an enemy foreign power to intervene in a Presidential Election??

    Ted Kennedy Secretly Asked The Soviets To Intervene In The 1984 Elections

    According to Soviet documents unearthed in the early 1990’s, Kennedy literally asked the Soviets, avowed enemies of the U.S., to intervene on behalf of the Democratic party in the 1984 elections. Kennedy’s communist communique was so secret that it was not discovered until 1991, eight years after Kennedy had initiated his Soviet gambit:
    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/kgb-letter-details-kennedy-offer-to-ussr

    You people are so quick to throw stones. :D

    What you don't realize is the glass houses ya'all are living in... :D

    Once again, my point is proven..

    There is nothing ya'all can accuse the GOP of that hasn't been done by Democrats..

    Ya'all have been hoisted by yer own Picard..

    Courtesy of Michale.. :D

    hehehehehehehehehehehehe

    I think that deserves another beer.. :D

    Michale

  337. [337] 
    Michale wrote:

    Ted Kennedy Secretly Asked The Soviets To Intervene In The 1984 Elections

    According to Soviet documents unearthed in the early 1990’s, Kennedy literally asked the Soviets, avowed enemies of the U.S., to intervene on behalf of the Democratic party in the 1984 elections. Kennedy’s communist communique was so secret that it was not discovered until 1991, eight years after Kennedy had initiated his Soviet gambit:

    Wait a minute.. Wait a minute.. I know, I know!!!

    "Well.. That's different"

    :D

    Ya'all are nothing if not predictable.. :D

    Michale

  338. [338] 
    Michale wrote:

    The new rallying cry of Bernie supporters..

    “Bern or Jill but never Hill!”

    Say hello to President Trump, my friends.. :D

    Michale

  339. [339] 
    Michale wrote:

    Donald Trump has Camp Hillary in tears... :D

    4 Ways Donald Trump Is Living Rent-Free In The DNC’s Head
    Everything the Democratic National Convention is doing this week seems to be a knee-jerk response to Donald Trump.

    In the 1980s, Dry Idea anti-perspirant had a series of commercials where celebrities gave advice, always culminating with “Never let them see you sweat.” Here’s one featuring fashion designer Donna Karan..

    She ends with, “Feeling tense is understandable. Looking tense is unfashionable!”

    Someone needs to share this advice with the Democratic National Committee, whose convention is sending a message that Donald Trump is making them sweat.
    http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/27/4-ways-donald-trump-is-living-rent-free-in-the-dncs-head/

    :D

    Fun times..

    Michale

  340. [340] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    So, you have no problem with equating Hillary Clinton with Richard Nixon if it means she will get elected...

    yes.

    In other words, it doesn't matter WHO Clinton emulates, be it Nixon, Stalin or Hitler..

    no.

    Nixon, in spite of his moral and ethical flaws, was an effective president in many ways. Nixon won the cold war, got us out of vietnam, increased the budget for civil rights programs and helped end school segregation. If that's what hillary turns out to be as president, it's not ideal but i can live with it.

    as to hitler and stalin, donald has much more in common with those guys than hillary does.

    a guy walks into a bar in brooklyn and who does he see sitting there but hitler, stalin and walter o'malley. the guy says sheesh, why would YOU TWO want to be seen with HIM?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/brooklyn-loses-dodgers-los-angeles-1957-article-1.2381894

  341. [341] 
    Michale wrote:

    In other words, it doesn't matter WHO Clinton emulates, be it Nixon, Stalin or Hitler..

    no.

    You say no, but your comments say yes :D

    a guy walks into a bar in brooklyn and who does he see sitting there but hitler, stalin and walter o'malley. the guy says sheesh, why would YOU TWO want to be seen with HIM?

    hhehehehe

    By the bi, thanks for hanging out with me here.. :D It's appreciated.. :D

    Michale

  342. [342] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, I am sure glad that the Demcorats didn't spend their time slamming the GOP..

    I know how much ya'all hate it when a Party does nothing but talk trash about the other Party..

    Well, at least ya hate it when the GOP does it to the DEMs.. :D

    Michale

  343. [343] 
    Michale wrote:

    Do ya want to know how badly ya'all have it???

    To win the election, the Demcorat Party has to UNIFY...

    And the task of unifying the Demcorat Party falls to *THE* most divisive figure in politics...

    Yea... Good luck.. :D

    Michale

  344. [344] 
    Michale wrote:

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/27/the-democrats-just-fell-for-trumps-russian-email-hack-bait-commentary.html

    Like I said before..

    Trump is playing Camp Hillary and the Demcorats like a fiddle.. :D

    Joshua, you warned everyone about this before.. Too bad they didn't listen..

    Well, too bad for them and the Demcorat Party..

    Awesome for me.. :D

    Michale

  345. [345] 
    Michale wrote:

    So again, what we're witnessing here is a presidential candidate stealing the other party's thunder just when it needs your attention the most.

    Grand Theft Convention isn't a game, it's the real thing. And Trump just won it.

    hehehehehehehe

    No one is talking about the Demcorat Convention.. Everyone is talking about Trump. Everyone is talking about Hillary's emails and hacking and espionage and national security...

    Trump is killing it at the one point in time when Democrats need everyone to focus on them..

    But everyone is with Trump now.. :D

    Michale

  346. [346] 
    Michale wrote:

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article92169982.html

    And, in other news..

    It's clear that gun control is not the answer to terrorist attacks..

    But any sane, intelligent and non-political human being who doesn't have an agenda already knows that.. :^/

    Michale

  347. [347] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Hillary Clinton is the best qualified person to be President."
    -President Obama

    Hmmmmmm

    That's NOT what Obama said in 2008...

    So, either Obama was lying then or Obama is lying now..

    Which is it??

    Michale

  348. [348] 
    Michale wrote:

    JM,

    My previous report detailed what this last-ditch effort looked like from the media tent (where the walkout of delegates wound up).

    From the mouth (fingers??) of the Grand Poobah hisself..

    Delegates walked out..

    Now, you may want to split hairs with "They weren't STATE delegates" and "But that's not what the definition of 'IS' is!!!" and stuff like that..

    But there can be no doubts..

    The facts are clear...

    The Demcorat Convention was as hostile and as acrimonious as the ya'all claimed the GOP Convention was..

    Michale

  349. [349] 
    Michale wrote:

    Then there's the fact that every ambush that leaves cops dead, like every terrorist attack (or foiled attack) at home or abroad, appears to provide evidence in favor of Trump's fear-focused framing of the election. Clinton, Kaine, and their surrogates can talk all they like about how driving a car or climate change is more likely to kill you than a terrorist attack. But when a deranged Islamist kills 49 in an Orlando nightclub, and then a few weeks later a man runs down 84 people with a truck in a seaside resort in France, and that's followed up in quick succession by a series of smaller attacks in Germany (three of them by recent immigrants), as well as recent massive bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan — it begins to sound to large numbers of voters like the racist lunatic who's unfit for office has a better grasp of the situation than the sober, responsible, experienced liberal in the race.
    http://theweek.com/articles/638437/how-hillary-clinton-dangerously-misjudged-political-moment

    This is exactly why Hillary will lose this election..

    Because her and the Demcorat Party are completely clueless as to what Americans are concerned about..

    Michale

  350. [350] 
    Michale wrote:

    Who knew!!!???

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CobDEdXWIAAVt_5.jpg

    Who knew that the "Orange One" JFC has been yammering about all this time was actually OBAMA!!!!

    Will wonders never cease.... :D

    Michale

  351. [351] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @341,

    my comments say no also. nixon was no hitler. nixon was no stalin. he wasn't even a trump. donald wishes he was half the man nixon was.

    @347,

    having served in the president's cabinet, hillary is even more qualified now than she was in '08. that may not jibe with your opinion but it's the truth. did obama even say anything then about hillary's qualifications? his attacks back then were mostly on her character. fine, you can debate whether or not the mythology of her character matches the reality. i'm sure you think it does. but her resume is not something you, obama or anyone else can factually debate against.

    JL

  352. [352] 
    Michale wrote:

    having served in the president's cabinet, hillary is even more qualified now than she was in '08. that may not jibe with your opinion but it's the truth.

    No, that's not the truth OR the facts...

    That is your opinion..

    I could point to Russia and Benghazi and Libya and Syria and other facts that show Hillary is LESS qualified now than she was then..

    but her resume is not something you, obama or anyone else can factually debate against.

    And yet... I just did.. :D

    Michale

  353. [353] 
    Michale wrote:

    that may not jibe with your opinion but it's the truth.

    That's why I am not a big fan of "truth"...

    Truth is subjective.. Your truth does not jibe with the facts..

    "THEIR TRUTH IS NOT YOUR TRUTH!!!"
    -Oracle, STAR TREK, For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky

    "If it's 'truth' you're after, Professor Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall.."
    -Indiana Jones

    :D

    Michale

  354. [354] 
    Michale wrote:

    Like I said.. Not a big fan of "truth"...

    "I've already don't the whole mind-control thing. Not a fan."
    -Hawkeye, AVENGERS-AGE OF ULTRON

    :D

    Michale

  355. [355] 
    Michale wrote:

    Someone correct me if I am wrong (heh)....

    But I do believe this is the first time that a GOP candidate's poll numbers have RISEN during the DEMCORAT Convention!!!

    Howz THAT for irony!!!

    Trump is getting a bump from **HILLARY'S** convention!!!

    heheheheheheehehehehhehehehehehehe

    Funny... :D

    Michale

  356. [356] 
    Michale wrote:

    Gonna make another couple bold predictions.. Which I'll re-iterate on Saturday morning...

    1. Hillary will get no bounce or a very small bounce from her convention...

    2. Trump has taken the lead in the polling and will remain in the lead in RCP polling until Election day..

    "SO SAY WE ALL"
    -Commander Adama, BATTLESTAR GALACTICA

    :D

    Michale

  357. [357] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    I could point to Russia and Benghazi and Libya and Syria and other facts that show Hillary is LESS qualified now than she was then..

    that's not the way qualification works. anyone who completes a course of work or study gains the qualification that comes with it, no matter what grades you give them. the top

    Trump is getting a bump from **HILLARY'S** convention!!!

    probably not. being that it's mid-week, pre-cleveland polling is expiring from the average and new polling hasn't been completed yet, so the current average is a mathematical mirage. it'll probably a few days before we know whether hillary gets a bump, and a week or so before we know where the new polling average is.

    i don't mean to rain on your parade... well, yeah i do, but in this case it's mathematically supported. if we're still in the same place by august 4th, that's the time for you to start gloating.

    JL

  358. [358] 
    Michale wrote:

    hat's not the way qualification works. anyone who completes a course of work or study gains the qualification that comes with it, no matter what grades you give them. the top

    I guess we define "qualifies" differently.. A person who is incompetent is not "qualified" in my book..

    don't mean to rain on your parade... well, yeah i do, but in this case it's mathematically supported. if we're still in the same place by august 4th, that's the time for you to start gloating.

    See comment #356

    Me??? Gloat??? Shurley, you jest.. :D

    Michale

  359. [359] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    whoops, somehow my typing didn't finish that first paragraph. i meant to say: top marks, average marks and barely made it through still result in the same qualification. even given hillary's mistakes, most of which have been exaggerated beyond all recognition, she's still qualified by virtue of having survived.

  360. [360] 
    Michale wrote:

    even given hillary's mistakes, most of which have been exaggerated beyond all recognition, she's still qualified by virtue of having survived.

    Apparently, Ambassador Stevens is NOT qualified by your definition...

    I'm just sayin...

    Michale

  361. [361] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    that was not what i meant, and was in very bad taste.

  362. [362] 
    Michale wrote:

    Regardless, by virtue of Hillary's complete and utter incompetence and gross carelessness, as has been WELL DOCUMENTED, Hillary Clinton is not qualified to be President..

    Michale

  363. [363] 
    Michale wrote:

    that was not what i meant, and was in very bad taste.

    Just the facts..

    Ambassador Stevens was competent... He requested 600 times that security be upgraded...

    Hillary was incompetent by virtue of ignoring those 600 requests..

    Ambassador Stevens and three other good Americans paid for Hillary's incompetence with their lives..

    Bad taste or no... These are the facts....

    Michale

  364. [364] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    director comey was careful to point out that the carelessness in the state department predated hillary, which was one of the reasons he said he didn't indict.

    in spite of her mistakes and the mistakes of those under her, she was mostly successful around the world, and made it through a complete term. therefore she is qualified. technically even rumsfeld is qualified, and his mistakes resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths.

    JL

  365. [365] 
    Michale wrote:

    We can talk about Hillary's "reset" with the Russians if you prefer...

    Or Hillary's disastrous military adventurism into Libya...

    Or maybe Hillary's fun times in Syria...

    Handling classified intel "VERY carelessly"???

    There is plenty of objective FACTS that demonstrate how incompetent Hillary Clinton is...

    And, in my book, if one is incompetent, then one is unqualified...

    Michale

  366. [366] 
    Michale wrote:

    director comey was careful to point out that the carelessness in the state department predated hillary, which was one of the reasons he said he didn't indict.

    So, their incompetence excuses hers??

    "Oh, the whole department is incompetent, so it doesn't matter if the boss is.."

    Make a great campaign slogan for HIllary, eh?? :D

    in spite of her mistakes and the mistakes of those under her, she was mostly successful around the world, and made it through a complete term. therefore she is qualified.

    Again, that is your opinion.. It's an opinion not shared by millions of Americans and not shared by the facts...

    Michale

  367. [367] 
    Michale wrote:

    and his mistakes resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths.

    And how would you rate Rumsfield's competence??

    :D

    Michale

  368. [368] 
    Michale wrote:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/28/virginia-police-officer-denied-service-at-restaurant.html

    A gay couple is discriminated at a bakery and the Left Wingery collectively lose their frakin' minds..

    Cops are denied service for a meal...

    {chirrrrppppp} {{chirrrrrppppppp}}

    :^/

    Michale

  369. [369] 
    Michale wrote:

    But that's to be expected from a political Party who honors thugs and scumbags and ignores cops....

    Michale

  370. [370] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    "Oh, the whole department is incompetent, so it doesn't matter if the boss is.."

    in most respects she was extremely competent. she was not competent at understanding e-mail security, and the career professionals at the state department who were supposed to advise her did not. the few errors she made were serious ones, but your exaggeration of them is ridiculous.

    JL

  371. [371] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    And how would you rate Rumsfield's competence??

    he was actually very competent. but he was also very rigid and unable to adapt to political realities.

    "these are less failures of competence than they are failures of understanding or imagination."

    http://armedforcesjournal.com/why-did-donald-rumsfeld-fail/

  372. [372] 
    Michale wrote:

    the few errors she made were serious ones,

    Agreed...

    I am happy with that...

    Michale

  373. [373] 
    Michale wrote:

    he was actually very competent.

    Well, then.. I guess we have nothing to argue about.. :D

    Michale

  374. [374] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Well, then.. I guess we have nothing to argue about.. :D

    well that won't do! ;)

    JL

  375. [375] 
    Michale wrote:

    well that won't do! ;)

    I know, right!? :D

    hehehehehehe

    Michale

  376. [376] 
    Michale wrote:

    i don't think anyone would ever accuse donald of thinking too hard about anything.

    And yet, he is the epitome of success in his chosen field, he vanquished more than a dozen "successful" and "professional" politicians and is currently leading the Democrat Candidate in the polls...

    If Trump can do ALL of that while "not thinking too hard", imagine what will happen when he really puts his mind to it!!!?? :D

    Ahhhhhh That's better... Heh :D

    Michale

  377. [377] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    imagine what will happen when he really puts his mind to it!!!?? :D

    see douglas adams, re: flying :)

    JL

  378. [378] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    That is, it's going to hurt if you fail to miss the ground. Most people fail to miss the ground, and if they are really trying properly, the likelihood is that they will fail to miss it fairly hard.
    ~douglas adams

  379. [379] 
    Michale wrote:

    see douglas adams, re: flying :)

    Yea, the problem with that is that it's been predicted over 2 dozen times that Trump will fail to miss the ground..

    And damn it all if he doesn't continue to miss the ground...

    Uncanny, eh? :D

    Michale

  380. [380] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    maybe the secret is not trying.

  381. [381] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Trying is the first step towards failing."
    -Homer Simpson

    :D

    Michale

  382. [382] 
    Michale wrote:

    Bernie Delagate Speaks Out Against Fraud at DNC *Seat Fillers*
    https://youtu.be/06R-6s3NSRc

    If you can't really have unity, then the next best thing is to fake it.. :D

    Michale

  383. [383] 
    Michale wrote:

    Like I said at the beginning of the Primaries..

    http://sjfm.us/temp/empty.jpg

    There is a HUGE excitement deficit amongst the Demcorat Party...

    The Right is ENTHUSED....

    The Left is going thru the motions..

    Michale

  384. [384] 
    Michale wrote:

    Stig,

    Trump can rest securely in his bed knowing the US is a nation of laws and that the legal bar for treason is in fact very, very high. Informally encouraging the Russians to commit a second Watergate Break In doesn't meet the prosecutorial standard. It does raise questions about his judgment, patriotism and sanity. Not that there is any Constitutional requirement for a President to possess judgment, patriotism or sanity.

    If Trump had encouraged that, then you would have a point.. But he didn't so you don't..

    All Trump said was that, since Russia probably already HAS the emails of Hillary Clinton's email server, they should release them..

    Which is a stroke of genius for Trump because Camp Clinton has admitted that her emails *ARE* a National Security Issue..

    Trump is a GENUIS!!!!!!

    But, what are you talking about??

    Russia is not a geo-political concern... Obama said so back in 2012 when Romney made that point..

    When ya'all are ready to dicuss Hillary's links to governments that execute gay people and treat women like property, then... AND ONLY THEN... will you have a moral leg to stand on..

    Not before...

    Michale

  385. [385] 
    Michale wrote:

    Flash Floods Possible On Final Night Of DNC
    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2016/07/28/flash-floods-possible-on-final-night-of-dnc/

    Maybe the gods are trying to tell the Demcorats something.. :D

    Michale

  386. [386] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, we have ya'all swooning over Obama's speech..

    Obama’s DNC letdown: The president needed to hit it out of the park, but he surprisingly fell short

    Obama is one of the great orators of our time, but his meandering speech for Hillary missed the mark
    http://www.salon.com/2016/07/28/obamas_dnc_letdown_the_president_needed_to_hit_it_out_of_the_park_but_he_surprisingly_fell_short/

    And then we have the reality...

    Michale

  387. [387] 
    Michale wrote:

    It is with sadness that I note the passing of Jerry Doyle, Michael Garibaldi of Babylon 5...

    It seems that I always have a soft spot in my heart for the security pukes...

    He will be missed...

    Michale

  388. [388] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Michale has made a conscious and serious effort to let us have our moment in this thread. He's the one who should be congratulated!

    Thank you, Liz... Your acknowledgement means a lot to me..

    It's nice to be appreciated.. :D

    Michale

  389. [389] 
    Michale wrote:
  390. [390] 
    Michale wrote:

    "A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons."
    -Hillary Clinton

    "A woman who exposes our national secrets to our enemies, a woman who is 'very careless' with those national secrets is not a woman we can trust with nuclear weapons.."
    -Michale

    Michale

  391. [391] 
    Michale wrote:

    There are 2 things about this election that should be keeping ya'all up at night..

    1. This is an anti global-ist, anti-corporatist, anti-establishment election and Hillary is clearly the globalist, corporatist, establishment candidate..

    2. Hillary is the candidate who represents Obama's 3rd term and the American people overwhelmingly (over 70%) don't WANT an Obama 3rd term..

    These 2 facts are going to doom Hillary's campaign..

    You heard it here first... :D

    Michale

  392. [392] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    You forgot anti-Enlightenment ... and Hillary is clearly the Enlightenment and enlightened candidate.

  393. [393] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    I'm surprised you haven't commented on the remarks made at the convention last night by Capt. Humayun Khan's father.

  394. [394] 
    Michale wrote:

    You forgot anti-Enlightenment ... and Hillary is clearly the Enlightenment and enlightened candidate.

    If by "enlightened" you mean enslaved by Party dogma, then yea.. Hillary is "enlightened"...

    Nothing enlightening about turning over sovereignty to un-elected morons with their own agenda...

    I'm surprised you haven't commented on the remarks made at the convention last night by Capt. Humayun Khan's father.

    I was more impressed the morons who heckled and boo'ed during the moment of silence for fallen police officers..

    Between that and actually honoring thugs and scumbags who tried to kill cops etc, that pretty much showed the world what the Demcorat Party is all about..

    Michale

  395. [395] 
    Michale wrote:
  396. [396] 
    Michale wrote:

    I'm surprised you haven't commented on the remarks made at the convention last night by Capt. Humayun Khan's father.

    'Sides... If there is ANYONE who needs a lesson in the US Constitution, it's the Left Wingery...

    How many Left Wingers have been assaulted and attacked at Left Wing rallies??

    None..

    How many Trump supporters have been assaulted and attacked??? Dozens...

    Funny how no one here acknowledges that, eh?? :^/

    Michale

  397. [397] 
    Michale wrote:

    Funny how no one here acknowledges that, eh?? :^/

    NEN

    Michale

  398. [398] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    So, as a military guy, you have nothing to say about the Khan family and their sacrifice?

    Neither does Mr. Trump.

  399. [399] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Did you see the remarks made at the convention last night by the police officer's wife? What a magnificent spokeswoman for law enforcement!

  400. [400] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, as a military guy, you have nothing to say about the Khan family and their sacrifice?

    Neither does Mr. Trump.

    That sacrifice is negated by the fact that they support the Party that has historically and notoriously been anti-military...

    It would be ask if the family of Sean Smith, Chris Stevens, Glen Dougherty and Tyrone Woods were Hillary supporters... Any sympathy for their loss would be offset by their support of the very person who got their loved one's killed...

    Did you see the remarks made at the convention last night by the police officer's wife? What a magnificent spokeswoman for law enforcement!

    Which was completely negated by the fact that the Demcorats honored thugs and scumbags who tried to kill cops and other security personnel...

    Seriously, I am hard pressed to comprehend how ANYONE associated with either Law Enforcement or Military could support Hillary..

    Michale

  401. [401] 
    Michale wrote:

    With Hillary, more cops are going to die....

    With Trump, more thugs and scumbags are going to die..

    I know which side I am on....

    Michale

  402. [402] 
    Michale wrote:

    I note that you don't have any response to #395

    Michale

  403. [403] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I don't click on links I don't trust. You'll just have to tell me what it's about and I'll be sure to let you know what I think.

    I'm astonished that you would negate the sacrifice of the Khan family, in any context. But, it explains why you can't understand how so many high ranking military officers are for Hillary, even if it's just because they believe Trump is so dangerous to US national security and American democracy.

    What do you think should be done about the Russian government's involvement in your election?

  404. [404] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Have you been looking into what the Russians are up to? Fascinating stuff ... I wonder what a President Trump would do about it ...

  405. [405] 
    Michale wrote:

    I'm astonished that you would negate the sacrifice of the Khan family, in any context.

    *I* didn't negate anything..

    THEY negated it by supporting the most anti-military Party in history...

    I don't click on links I don't trust. You'll just have to tell me what it's about and I'll be sure to let you know what I think.

    It was the (O)BLM morons heckling and booing during the moment of silence for fallen officers.

    Comments??

    But, it explains why you can't understand how so many high ranking military officers are for Hillary, even if it's just because they believe Trump is so dangerous to US national security and American democracy.

    A few are, that's true.... But who knows what Hillary promised them for their endorsement..

    THAT is how Hillary is...

    What do you think should be done about the Russian government's involvement in your election?

    WHAT Russian involvement??

    Do you mean the Russian involvement when Teddy Kennedy asked the Soviet Union to intervene in 1984??

    Have you been looking into what the Russians are up to?

    "The 1980s are calling.. They want their foreign policy back"
    -Barack Obama, 2012

    Remember that???

    Now ya'all are ALL ABOUT the Russians..

    The blatant Party bigotry is so transparently obvious... :D

    Michale

  406. [406] 
    Michale wrote:

    Dem anxiety hangs over Clinton

    PHILADELPHIA — Democrats are worried about Hillary Clinton’s inability to separate herself from Donald Trump in the polls, even after what they believe was a largely successful convention that represented a real step toward party unity.

    Clinton is hoping for a big post-convention boost, but the reality right now is that she in behind Trump in the polls, and has been in a relatively tight race for weeks.

    While the Electoral College may give her an advantage, party leaders and strategists say they remain concerned that Clinton is a tough sell when a majority of Americans think the country is on the wrong track and want to shake up Washington.
    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/289737-dem-anxiety-hangs-over-clinton

    These are the facts that no amount of spin can erase...

    Over 70% of Americans think the country is heading in the wrong direction...

    Clinton represents the same OBAMA/DEMOCRAT direction that over 70% of Americans don't want...

    These are the facts. And they are indisputable...

    Michale

  407. [407] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    It was the (O)BLM morons heckling and booing during the moment of silence for fallen officers.

    Inexcusable.

    Just like your obvious disdain for the sacrifice of the Khan family and that of many of your fellow Americans who are Muslim and who fight and die for your country. Just once, I'd like to see Mr. Trump acknowledge this and explain how his proposed policies regarding Muslims will impact the fight against violent jihadism.

  408. [408] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    A few are, that's true.... But who knows what Hillary promised them for their endorsement..

    Another example of your incomprehensible disdain for your country's military leadership. Unbelievable.

  409. [409] 
    Michale wrote:

    The blatant Party bigotry is so transparently obvious... :D

    That came out much harsher than I intended..

    Amend that to say that the blatant Party ideological spin is so transparently obvious...

    My bust....

    "Is this some kind of bust!?"
    "Uh yea.. They're quite impressive, but that's not why we're here."
    -POLICE SQUAD

    :D

    Michale

  410. [410] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Nice deflection from comment on a very serious cyberespionage issue. And, not at all surprising, Michale.

    Infinitely disappointing but, hardly surprising.

  411. [411] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Democrats are worried about Hillary Clinton’s inability to separate herself from Donald Trump in the polls, even after what they believe was a largely successful convention that represented a real step toward party unity.

    Democrats worry too much, too easily, and too damned quickly.

  412. [412] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Over 70% of Americans think the country is heading in the wrong direction...Clinton represents the same OBAMA/DEMOCRAT direction that over 70% of Americans don't want...

    If they are smart, their thinking will evolve, and fast!

  413. [413] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    So, Michale,

    You are not concerned by what Putin and his battling intelligence services are doing?

  414. [414] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    Will we be able to have a somewhat informed discussion about the US-Russia relationship, or not?

    If not, I'll stop wasting my time right now.

    This is a critical issue that neither Clinton nor Trump seem willing to deal with in a serious fashion. Which is disconcerting, to say the least.

  415. [415] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Chris,

    I'm in the DNC's database, I guess... does this mean I've "arrived"?

    I hope it means that you'll be writing about this critical issue - cyberespionage and blatant leaking of stolen documents by the Russian government - and how the contenders to be the next POTUS are not seriously dealing with the ramifications ...

  416. [416] 
    Michale wrote:

    Nice deflection from comment on a very serious cyberespionage issue. And, not at all surprising, Michale.

    You don't KNOW it's a cyberespionage issue...

    That's only Hillary's spin and let's face the facts..

    Hillary's credibility is non-existent..

    You are not concerned by what Putin and his battling intelligence services are doing?

    Ya'all weren't concerned in 2012 when Obama mocked Romney about the Russians..

    How come???

    Because THEN it wasn't ideologically convenient to be concerned..

    NOW it is...

    Will we be able to have a somewhat informed discussion about the US-Russia relationship, or not?

    I wanted to have that discussion in 2012, when it would have MATTERED...

    So... Not...

    This is a critical issue that neither Clinton nor Trump seem willing to deal with in a serious fashion. Which is disconcerting, to say the least.

    NOW it's a critical issue.

    Back in 2012 was the time to address the issue..

    But ya'all were too busy mocking Romney to do the right thing...

    Michale

  417. [417] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    "Is it safe?"

    The answer is most decidedly ... NO!

  418. [418] 
    Michale wrote:

    I hope it means that you'll be writing about this critical issue - cyberespionage and blatant leaking of stolen documents by the Russian government -

    *WHAT* "blatant leaking of stolen documents by the Russian government"???

    Michale

  419. [419] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    You don't KNOW it's a cyberespionage issue...

    Oh, actually, I do ... and I don't get my information from Hillary. What to you take me for, anyways ... don't answer that!

  420. [420] 
    Michale wrote:

    If they are smart, their thinking will evolve, and fast!

    And what if you are wrong and over 70% of Americans are right??

    Can you even concede that possibility?? :D

    Michale

  421. [421] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    Have you heard of WikiLeaks?

    Indubitably, one of your favourite organizations ... :(

  422. [422] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    So...Not...

    Thanks for letting me know. See ya!

  423. [423] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Can you even concede that possibility?? :D

    No, not in this case because, they are essentially very wrong about this.

  424. [424] 
    Michale wrote:

    Have you heard of WikiLeaks?

    Yea, I have..

    It was the toast of the Left Wingery when it was releasing documents from Bradley Manning that was embarrassing to the military....

    NOW that Wikileaks is releasing documents that are embarrassing to the Demcorat Party, *NOW* all of the sudden it's a Russian plot.. :D

    Do you HEAR yourself?? :D

    No, not in this case because, they are essentially very wrong about this.

    YOU say that millions of Americans are wrong..

    MILLIONS of Americans say that you are wrong..

    Hmmmm.........

    :D

    Michale

  425. [425] 
    Michale wrote:

    Still no comment about the (O)BLM morons heckling and boo'ing during the moment of silence to honor fallen police officers??

    STILL no comment on how the Demcorat Convention honored scumbags and thugs??

    Color me shocked... :D

    Michale

  426. [426] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    It was the toast of the Left Wingery when it was releasing documents from Bradley Manning that was embarrassing to the military....

    NOW that Wikileaks is releasing documents that are embarrassing to the Demcorat Party, *NOW* all of the sudden it's a Russian plot.. :D

    Do you HEAR yourself?? :D

    ---------------------------------------------

    You're not talking about me. Where were you when I was strongly condemning WikiLeaks and its demagogue leader!!!!!!?????

    Do you hear yourself? NO, I didn't think so.

    I'm so outta here.

  427. [427] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Still no comment about the (O)BLM morons heckling and boo'ing during the moment of silence to honor fallen police officers??

    Are you blind, too?

  428. [428] 
    Michale wrote:

    But Liz...

    Are you admitting for the record that Clinton's emails *ARE* a national security issue???

    Michale

  429. [429] 
    Michale wrote:

    You're not talking about me. Where were you when I was strongly condemning WikiLeaks and its demagogue leader!!!!!!?????

    Not during the Bradley Manning/Iraq War you weren't... The Left LOVED Bradley Manning and Wikileaks...

    Michale

  430. [430] 
    Michale wrote:

    Just like your obvious disdain for the sacrifice of the Khan family and that of many of your fellow Americans who are Muslim and who fight and die for your country.

    Trump hasn't said ANYTHING about American Muslims...

    What are you talking about???

    Trump is saying that Muslim refugees from countries that are known terrorists hot spots need to be checked further..

    What is wrong with that??

    It's a LOT more logical of a policy than Obama's YA'ALL COME policy who let's anyone and everyone in...

    If Obama had adopted Trump's position, San Bernardino wouldn't have happened...

    But, who cares about dead Americans. This is about ideological loyalty.....

    Michale

  431. [431] 
    Michale wrote:

    Are you blind, too?

    Sorry... I missed that ONE WORD of "condemnation" amongst all the praise and glory of the Demcorat Party....

    :^/

    Michale

  432. [432] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Not during the Bradley Manning/Iraq War you weren't... The Left LOVED Bradley Manning and Wikileaks...

    I'm not the Left. You are not now conversing with the Left. Is it just that you don't want to have a conversation with me? Is that it?

    You really are something else, Michale. But, you have just helped me understand something ... you are not speaking with me here, you are directing all of your comments to the "Left Wingery". And, that is what makes it impossible to have any sort of simple discussion with you about anything.

  433. [433] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Not during the Bradley Manning/Iraq War you weren't... The Left LOVED Bradley Manning and Wikileaks...

    I'm not the Left. You are not now conversing with the Left. Is it just that you don't want to have a conversation with me? Is that it?

    You really are something else, Michale. But, you have just helped me understand something ... you are not speaking with me here, you are directing all of your comments to the "Left Wingery". And, that is what makes it impossible to have any sort of simple discussion with you about anything.

  434. [434] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Trump hasn't said ANYTHING about American Muslims...

    Neither have you and that is precisely the problem.

    Your silence speaks volumes, however.

  435. [435] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Trump hasn't said ANYTHING about American Muslims...

    Neither have you and that is precisely the problem.

    Your silence speaks volumes, however.

    It's about time for you to duck and cover!

  436. [436] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    My aim has improved since the last time, by the way. :)

  437. [437] 
    Michale wrote:

    Neither have you and that is precisely the problem.

    It's a problem that I don't label Americans??? That I don't put Americans in categories and then try to set one category against another??

    What do you think I am?? A Democrat!?? :D

    A muslim American is no better or no worse than a christian American or a jewish American..

    Why would you think that a muslim American requires a special call out???

    Michale

  438. [438] 
    Michale wrote:

    You really are something else, Michale. But, you have just helped me understand something ... you are not speaking with me here, you are directing all of your comments to the "Left Wingery".

    Because I don't like to pick on people I know.. :D

    But the fact is, Wikileaks was the cat's meow around here when it was embarrassing the military and President Bush...

    Now that WikiLeaks is embarrassing the Democrat Party, all of the sudden, it's all a Russian Plot...

    I'll again refer you to President Obama's quote..

    "The 1980s are calling. They want their foreign policy back."

    Ya'all were warned about Russia 4 years ago. But ya'all thought it would be more fun to ridicule the Right and ignore the threat..

    "You had your chance, Venkmen. But you thought it would be more fun to insult me. Well, now it is my turn wiseass..."
    -Peck, GHOSTBUSTERS

    NOW ya'all wanna yell and scream hysterically, THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!! THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!!

    Too little, too late...

    Michale

  439. [439] 
    Michale wrote:

    A muslim American is no better or no worse than a christian American or a jewish American..

    Why would you think that a muslim American requires a special call out???

    It is EXACTLY this type of political correctness that is why over 70% of Americans think this country is heading in the wrong direction...

    It's exactly why Trump will win the election..

    Michale

  440. [440] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:
  441. [441] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    It is EXACTLY this type of political correctness that is why over 70% of Americans think this country is heading in the wrong direction...

    It's exactly why Trump will win the election..

    You can't possibly be that clueless! However, you have, once again, helped me understand the faux arguments you use about "identity politics". In fact, my understand, over the course of the last few comments, has increased so much, I'm going to have some extra spare time on my hands that won't be spent here. I should be grateful, I guess ...

  442. [442] 
    Michale wrote:

    Do you have *ANY* factual evidence that supports the conclusion that the Russians are involved in the DNC hack or hacking Hillary's private email server???

    Any evidence at all???

    Michale

  443. [443] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I don't have any evidence of the Russians hacking the DNC (not Hillary's email server - that's a Donald request) but cybersecurity firms do.

  444. [444] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:
  445. [445] 
    Michale wrote:

    I don't have any evidence of the Russians hacking the DNC (not Hillary's email server - that's a Donald request) but cybersecurity firms do.

    And that evidence is???

    Here is an interesting read on the Russian hackers:

    http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/07/Russia-wanted-to-be-caught/130312/?oref=d-topstory

    I don't like to click on unknown links.. Why don't ya sum it up for me?? :D

    Michale

  446. [446] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I just told you what the link was about.

  447. [447] 
    Michale wrote:

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/04/22/ftp164/#comments

    Recall THIS, Michale ...

    Yep...

    And not a whiff of Russian involvement...

    UNTIL the Demcorat Party needed an ideologically approved scap-goat..

    But you ignore the obvious point..

    WHERE was your concern for Russia when Romney brought it up in 2012???

    It was non-existent...

    So, why the concern now???

    Because Russia is a convenient ideologically acceptable scapegoat...

    Michale

  448. [448] 
    Michale wrote:

    I just told you what the link was about.

    More or less....

    The link explains that these security companies are astonished that the evidence so blatantly and so obviously points to Russia..

    That these hackers are using well known Russian code-names and procedures and don't seem too concerned at all about being caught...

    Now, to someone like me, that indicates that the perps WANT people to believe that the Russians are responsible....

    Classic mis-direction...

    :D

    Michale

  449. [449] 
    Michale wrote:

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2011/04/22/ftp164/#comment-14010

    THAT brings back some memories.. :D

    Michale

  450. [450] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale[447]

    You are confused. THAT link proves I was always critical of WikiLeaks.

    Try to keep up. :)

  451. [451] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    The perps? For former LEO and military, your analytical skills are surprisingly weak.

  452. [452] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Or, am I to believe that your analytical skills are better than the cyber-security experts?

  453. [453] 
    Michale wrote:

    Or, am I to believe that your analytical skills are better than the cyber-security experts?

    I am simply repeating what the experts themselves said..

    They are "astonished" that the evidence so blatantly points to the Russians..

    That sets off a whole buttload of warning bells with me..

    Plus, we have the DNI saying that he is not ready to point any fingers... If the case is so open/shut that it's the Russians, why isn't Clapper making the call???

    The Russians are nothing more than a red herring boogeyman for the fear mongering Demcorat Party...

    Michale

  454. [454] 
    Michale wrote:

    And STILL no response as to why the Demcorat Party chose to honor criminals, thugs, and scumbags??

    Michale

  455. [455] 
    Michale wrote:

    You are confused. THAT link proves I was always critical of WikiLeaks.

    But NO MENTION of Russian involvement....

    Until now....

    Why??

    Because it's politically and ideologically convenient to blame the Russians now..

    But it wasn't back in 2012...

    Funny how that is, eh?? :D

    Michale

  456. [456] 
    Michale wrote:

    But, yes. *You* were against Wikileaks from the start..

    I was wrong about that.

    I apologize. (BLUE MOON!!!)

    :D

    Michale

  457. [457] 
    Michale wrote:

    http://nypost.com/2016/07/29/how-hillary-blew-her-big-moment/

    Yep....

    Like I said.. Hillary will get little to no bump for the Demcorat Convention...

    Joshua,

    4 Aug, you said?? :D

    Michale

  458. [458] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Yes, well, I've been pretty much against the Putin regime from the start, too but, apology accepted ... again. :)

  459. [459] 
    Michale wrote:

    Yes, well, I've been pretty much against the Putin regime from the start, too but, apology accepted ... again. :)

    Just so we're clear. You are not saying that Wikileaks = Putin regime, are you??

    I also have been against the Putin regime from the start.. I was fighting against the Russian regime back when it was the Soviet regime...

    In other news, it looks like the Hillary campaign is also being targeted by hackers..

    But Hillary is not co-operating with the FBI...

    Strange, eh? :D Maybe she is still pissed that Comey so thoroughly and so unequivocally shattered ANY hope of Hillary being elected POTUS.. :D

    Michale

  460. [460] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Just so we're clear. You are not saying that Wikileaks = Putin regime, are you??

    Do you have any evidence of that?

  461. [461] 
    Michale wrote:

    Do you have any evidence of that?

    I don't have any evidence that Vulcans are *not* orbiting this planet as we speak....

    Doesn't mean I am ready to declare it as fact that they are...

    Do you have any evidence that Wikileaks = Russia??

    In the absence of that evidence.....

    MIchale

  462. [462] 
    Michale wrote:

    Just so we're clear. You are not saying that Wikileaks = Putin regime, are you??

    Do you have any evidence of that?

    OK, I responded off the cuff.. Re-reading your question, I may have misconstrued the meaning..

    Are you asking me if I have any evidence that YOU are saying that Wikileaks = Russia..

    Or are you asking me if there is any evidence that Wikileaks does NOT = Russia??

    If the former, yes...

    If the latter, no but irrelevant, as my Vulcans In Orbit analogy indicates..

    Michale

  463. [463] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    yes, august 4-8 is about when polls should adequately reflect both convention bumps. actual gloating should probably be reserved for november. but for the less patient among us, we should know by the end of the first week of august how voters responded to both conventions.

    JL

  464. [464] 
    Michale wrote:

    but for the less patient among us,

    "I just want someone to lie to me and treat me like dirt and tell me what I want to hear just so he can get into my pants."

    "Uh.... That would be me."
    -BEDAZZLED

    :D

    Michale

  465. [465] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale[462]

    Are you trying to confuse me?

  466. [466] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Nope.. Just trying to clarify so I don't falsely accuse you of something you have never done.. :D

    Michale

  467. [467] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I don't know enough to say whether WikiLeaks is connected to the Russian government or how strong the connections between the two are.

    I'm going to have to rely on experts that I trust and my own capacity for understanding (such as it is) but, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they are connected in some way. I'm not surprised by much, anymore. :(

  468. [468] 
    Michale wrote:

    I don't know enough to say whether WikiLeaks is connected to the Russian government or how strong the connections between the two are.

    The only reason I point this out is because you start with the Wikileaks leaks of the DNC files and then end with blaming the Russians...

    You also fail to explain why the Russians are a problem now, but weren't in 2012 when Romney made the claim...

    Finally, it's not much of a "hack" of the DNC when the DNC uses easily guessed passwords to protect their emails..

    Michale

  469. [469] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    You also fail to explain why the Russians are a problem now, but weren't in 2012 when Romney made the claim...

    I think the Russian government have always been problematic and I have never said otherwise.

    Romney didn't say they were problematic, he said Russia is the greatest threat facing America. I think that was a classic case of hyperbole, considering all of the threats that America must deal with.

    I guess there is no point in discussing this much further until we learn more about the FBI investigations into all of this and what the cybersecurity companies are able to uncover.

    Isn't it remarkable, though, that neither candidate for president is talking about cybercrime and its impact on US national security?

  470. [470] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Aren't you in the computer security business?

  471. [471] 
    Michale wrote:

    Nope.. I repair and sell TVs and Laptops.. :D

    "I'm just a cook.. A lowly cook.."
    "Ohmigod, we're dead..."

    -Under Siege

    :D

    Michale

  472. [472] 
    Michale wrote:
  473. [473] 
    Michale wrote:

    Romney didn't say they were problematic, he said Russia is the greatest threat facing America. I think that was a classic case of hyperbole, considering all of the threats that America must deal with.

    Although Romney didn't say that. He said that Russia is the greatest GEOPOLITICAL threat this country faces..

    And he was right..

    But Obama was too self-centered and narcissistic to concede the point, opting for ridicule instead.

    And now Romney gets the last laugh..

    Michale

  474. [474] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    You think Russia is the biggest geopolitical threat facing the US?

  475. [475] 
    Michale wrote:

    You think Russia is the biggest geopolitical threat facing the US?

    Yes, I do... China is running a close second..

    Although a logical argument can be made that China is first and Russia is second..

    But they are close enough not to make much of a difference..

    Michale

  476. [476] 
    Michale wrote:

    You think Russia is the biggest geopolitical threat facing the US?

    Yes, I do... China is running a close second..

    Although a logical argument can be made that China is first and Russia is second..

    But they are close enough not to make much of a difference..

    Michale

  477. [477] 
    Michale wrote:

    China is a bigger threat to Obama's Pacific Pivot..

    Russia is a bigger threat to the US's strategic interests and it's allies in Europe and the Mid-East...

    China as the "bigger" threat is determined by ideology...

    Michale

  478. [478] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    How do you think the US government should handle its relationship with China and Russia?

    Does participation in the TPP help or hinder the US influence in the Asia-Pacific region and how will China take advantage of US non-participation?

  479. [479] 
    Michale wrote:

    How do you think the US government should handle its relationship with China and Russia?

    Nuk'em til the glow!! :D

    heh

    Seriously, ANY dealings with China and Russia MUST be made from a position of strength..

    Sadly, Obama has so decimated the military from a readiness and morale point of view, that there is NO WAY that the US can deal with China or Russia in the here and now..

    Considering that Putin bent Obama over the kitchen table in the Crimea and in Syria, there is simply no way that the current administration can maintain ANY semblance of credibility..

    And, since Hillary is simply Obama's third term, she will have no credibility either..

    Only Trump has the potential to be a viable adversary against both Russia and China...

    Michale

  480. [480] 
    Michale wrote:

    Does participation in the TPP help or hinder the US influence in the Asia-Pacific region and how will China take advantage of US non-participation?

    The US needs to ditch the TPP... If we don't, we're going to be economically at the mercy of any two-bit thug of a government..

    Michale

  481. [481] 
    Michale wrote:

    Any agreement that puts some two-bit shithole on the same playing field as the US vis a vis decision making is a bad BAD agreement for the US..

    Michale

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