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Friday Talking Points -- It Is What It Is

[ Posted Friday, August 7th, 2020 – 17:29 UTC ]

President Donald Trump, when challenged by Axios reporter Jonathan Swan this week on the fact that over a thousand Americans are dying each and every day from the coronavirus pandemic, callously responded: "It is what it is." Not exactly presidential-caliber leadership, to say the very least. After all, who can forget Abraham Lincoln's stirring: "The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, because, you know, the Civil War -- it is what it is." Or Franklin Delano Roosevelt's soaring: "Fear? What fear? I mean, the Great Depression... it is what it is."

Later in the week, Trump once again lowered the bar for presidential behavior another notch by attacking Joe Biden's religiousness: "[Joe Biden is] following the radical left agenda. Take away your guns. Destroy your Second Amendment. No religion! No anything! Hurt the Bible! Hurt God! He's against God! He's against guns! He's against energy, our kind of energy."

The best response to this disgraceful statement came from KevinMKruse on Twitter:

To recap the president's campaign themes:

1. Joe Biden is very weak and feeble and hiding in his basement.

2. Joe Biden is so powerful he will hurt an omnipotent deity and somehow hurt a holy book as well.

3. Joe Biden is the candidate who has serious cognitive problems.

Others repeatedly used the word "deranged" to describe Trump's shameless attack, which seems pretty appropriate to us. A deranged president... it is what it is, right?

Trump also mispronounced "Thailand" as "thigh-land" this week, and couldn't quite manage "Yosemite" either, turning it into: "Yo! Semite!" Nothing like a very stable genius at the controls, is there?

Of course, important things were indeed happening this week, but as usual Trump was nowhere to be found. Two White House minions have been in repeated coronavirus relief talks with Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, so far to no avail. Bizarrely, the Republican position in these talks is: "Let's be extra-stingy even though that will likely guarantee a double-dip recession right before the election." It's almost like Trump is trying to lose.

The Washington Post brought up a very pertinent question -- where is the master dealmaker in all of this?

What this deadlock needs is a master negotiator, someone whose extraordinary skills can break through the parties' differences and craft a deal both sides can live with, giving Americans the help they need.

Someone like President Trump, the man who wrote The Art of the Deal!

You're laughing, I know. But think about how extraordinary that is: During a difficult and complex negotiation, with incredibly high stakes for the country, we take it as a given that not only would the president of the United States much rather be off playing golf; it's also probably best for everyone if he isn't involved at all, because he'd only make things worse.

And this is the man who sold himself to voters as a virtuoso of negotiation whose supernatural deal-making talent would enable him to break through any challenge the government faced.

. . .

Yet while there are some ancillary issues being negotiated -- the Democrats' desire to protect the Postal Service; the Republicans' desire to shield employers from covid-19 lawsuits -- at bottom, the disagreement comes down to Democrats wanting to do more to help the economy and individual Americans, and Republicans wanting to do less.

Democrats want more help for the unemployed, and Republicans want less. Democrats want more aid to states and cities, and Republicans want less. Democrats want more aid to schools, and Republicans want less.

This would be the moment when a president skilled at negotiating might step in to fashion a compromise. But that's not what this president is doing.

What the president is doing instead is what he loves doing most -- taking three days off to play golf. Because there's a big deal that needs making, but Trump's attitude is that it'll all magically happen without him. It is what it is, in other words.

Trump certainly is doubling down on his "I don't care about the pandemic" position. He visited a Whirlpool factory in Ohio this week (although the state's governor couldn't attend because he tested positive for the virus). During the visit, the speakers blared what can now accurately be called Trump's coronavirus-response theme song: "Live And Let Die." Hey, it is what it is, right?

Let's get back to that rather extraordinary Axios interview, though. Trump came prepared with lots of graphs on paper, none of which he understood in the slightest (this is painfully evident as he tries to explain them to the interviewer). When Swan points out that the graphs are essentially meaningless metrics designed only to make Trump feel better -- and that on the real measure of how the United States is doing, we're worse off than just about everybody else on the planet. Swan explained in a later interview what he was trying to accomplish: "What I was trying to get him to do was grapple with the question of why. Why is it that America with its incredibly sophisticated and advanced science and medicine, the leader of the free world, is doing so much worse than so many other advanced countries on a death-as-a-proportion-of-population basis?"

But Trump just flat-out did not understand the point that Swan was making:

"Right here," [President Donald Trump] said at one point, showing [Axios reporter Jonathan] Swan a chart, "the United States is lowest in -- numerous categories, we're lower than the world."

"Lower than the world?" Swan asked. "What does that mean?"

"We're lower than Europe," Trump continued. "Take a look. Take a look. Right here."

He handed Swan the sheet of paper, allowing the reporter, at least, to actually understand what Trump was claiming.

"Oh, you're doing death as a proportion of cases," Swan said. "I'm talking about death as a proportion of population. That's where the U.S. is really bad. Much worse than South Korea, Germany, et cetera."

"You can't do that," Trump replied.

"Why can't I do that?" Swan asked.

"You have go by..." Trump continued, fumbling with his papers. "You have to go by where... Look, here is the United States... You have to go by the cases of death."

"It's surely a relevant statistic," Swan said a bit later, "to say if the U.S. has X population and X percentage of death of that population versus South Korea..."

"No, you have to go by cases," Trump interjected.

"Well, look at South Korea, for example. Fifty-one million population, 300 deaths," Swan said. "It's like... it's crazy."

"You don't know that," Trump replied, suggesting that South Korea was perhaps hiding its true death toll. Which, of course, is nonsense.

. . .

"There's never been anything like this," Trump said. "And by the way, if you watch the fake news on television, they don't even talk about it. But, you know, there are 188 other countries right now that are suffering... some proportionately far greater than we are."

The example he used was Spain, which he said was "having a big spike."

Here are the facts, which nobody has bothered to tell Trump: Spain is averaging 2,600 new cases and 5 deaths a day over the past week. During the same period, the United States was seeing 60,000 new cases and over 1,000 deaths per day. On a proportional scale, Spain is seeing 56 new cases and 0.1 deaths per million people each day, while the U.S. has 184 new cases and 3 deaths per million. And a new estimate just out predicts the United States will have 300,000 deaths by the end of the year -- almost twice what we've already suffered.

Some other statistics showing how wrong Trump is: Japan has had 41,000 cases and just over 1,000 deaths total during the pandemic. We're doing worse than that each and every day, even though Japan has roughly one-third our population.

When you compare the countries of the world on the "total deaths per million" scale, the United States is currently the tenth-worst country in the world (out of over 200 countries). And two of the countries worse than us are there because they have such tiny populations it skews their per capita numbers (because the total population of both countries together is just over 100,000 people). The United States currently has 492 deaths per million. We're closing in on Chile, who is currently ninth-worst at 517 deaths per million. As mentioned, there are two countries higher -- San Marino as the world's absolute worst with 1,238 deaths per million, and Andorra with 673 deaths per million -- but these countries' populations are so miniscule that the numbers are skewed (San Marino only has a grand total of 42 deaths while Andorra only has 52 total deaths). Without those two, the United States is really doing worse than only seven other countries in the world. Or, to put it another way, over 200 countries are doing better than we are. Japan, in this comparison, has only eight deaths per million people. Eight. Versus our 492.

Trump really could not be more wrong about how we're doing in respect to other countries. But nobody's ever going to break this news to him, obviously, because as he put it: "You can't do that."

In related news, this week for the first time Twitter blocked a tweet and Facebook removed a post from the Trump campaign, because it contained dangerous misinformation about the coronavirus, which is against their rules. In the blocked clip, Trump says: "If you look at children, children are almost -- and I would almost say definitely -- but almost immune from this disease." This is simply not true, which is why Twitter told Team Trump: "You can't do that."

Later in the Axios interview, President Trump didn't just exhibit this callous indifference on the facts on the pandemic, however. He also, once again, sent his best wishes to the prison cell of Ghislaine Maxwell, who is accused of sex-trafficking underage girls: "I do wish her well. I'm not looking for anything bad for her. I'm not looking bad for anybody. Her boyfriend died. He died in jail."

And he had only less-than-warm words for the late great John Lewis, because with Trump, everything is always about Trump:

"I don't know," Trump said. "I really don't know. I don't know. I don't know John Lewis. He chose not to come to my inauguration. He chose -- I don't, I never met John Lewis, actually, I don't believe."

"Do you find him impressive?" asked Swan.

"Uh, I can't say one way or the other. I find a lot of people impressive. I find many people not impressive," Trump replied.

"He didn't come to my inauguration. He didn't come to my State of the Union speeches," the president added. "And that's OK. That's his right. And again, nobody has done more for Black Americans than I have. He should have come. I think he made a big mistake. I think he should have come."

"But taking your relationship with him out of it," pressed Swan, "do you find his story impressive, what he's done for this country?"

"He was a person that devoted a lot of energy and a lot of heart to civil rights, but there were many others also," Trump said.

Trump missed a deadline last week, after promising Chris Wallace (in a different interview) that he was going to sign "a healthcare plan within two weeks -- a full and complete healthcare plan." The two weeks expired last Sunday, and still Trump has absolutely no replacement for Obamacare, which grows ever-popular by the day. Trump then doubled down on his empty promise: "We'll be doing, sometime during this month, the healthcare plan. And I think that'll be before the end of the month. And I think it'll be very impressive to a lot of people." WomenForBiden tweeted in response: "Just four more days till his 'full & complete healthcare plan' is released. We'll save you the trouble, it's a bandaid, neosporin, bleach and a bright light. You also get a $25 off coupon for hydroxychloroquine." Heh. Hey, it is what it is.

Back in the real world, the 38th state just voted to expand Medicaid under Obamacare, against the wishes of the state's GOP:

No matter how hard they tried, Republican politicians and their allies could not stop Missouri's voters from expanding access to Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act.

They tried to rig the timing of the referendum by forcing the vote during a relatively low-turnout primary on Tuesday rather than in November. That failed. They played on racial prejudice and nativism by falsely claiming a yes vote would mean "illegal immigrants flooding Missouri hospitals... while we pay for it!" That failed, too.

And so did Missouri this week become the sixth state since 2017 -- five of them staunchly Republican -- where voters took the decision on the expansion of health coverage out of the hands of recalcitrant conservative politicians.

In joining Idaho, Utah, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Maine, the place known as the "Show Me State" showed the electoral power of access to health care and the danger to President Trump and Republicans of their ongoing efforts to repeal Obamacare.

. . .

All but 12 states -- eight of them in the old Confederacy -- have now expanded Medicaid. And the evidence is strong that if their voters were given the chance, they, too, would decide for expansion. In May, the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) Health Tracking Poll found that in the states that had not accepted Obamacare's Medicaid offer (which then included Missouri and Oklahoma), 66 percent favored expansion.

There was some other political news this week, but for once we're just going to skip over it all, because the pandemic (and that Trump interview) was so much more important. We realize we're punting by doing so, but in the words of our fearless leader: "It is what it is."

 

Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week

As usual, we have some rather impressive political ads to make note of before we get to the awards.

The Lincoln Project has an anti-Susan Collins ad up that is rather funny. The guy they hired as a Trump impersonator looks absolutely nothing like him -- but his voice and inflection are perfect. Play the ad and just listen to the audio if you don't believe this....

They've also got a pretty scathing ad belittling Jared Kushner for being (as they put it) the "Secretary of Failure," which is also pretty good.

And there are a few other new ads well worth checking out this week as well.

As for impressive Democratic politicians, however, this week saw yet another successful progressive candidate win a primary election against an establishment Democrat who had apparently outlived his dynastic welcome in his district. Here's the whole story:

The defeat of longtime Missouri Rep. William Lacy Clay by Black Lives Matter activist Cori Bush took some Democrats by surprise, confounding their ideas of who was and wasn't vulnerable to a left-wing primary challenge.

It did not surprise the movements and organizations that pushed Bush over the finish line. The win by the 44-year-old nurse and pastor, one of several liberal victories in Tuesday's primaries, came after her own dogged campaigning was boosted by relatively new liberal PACs and by robust fundraising that caught the incumbent -- a member of a dynasty that represented St. Louis for 51 years -- by surprise.

"They counted us out," Bush told supporters Tuesday night at her St. Louis campaign office. "They called me just a protester. I'm just an activist, with no name, no title and no money. That's all they said I was. But St. Louis showed up."

Bush is the fifth left-wing Democrat to oust an incumbent member of Congress from her party since the start of Donald Trump's presidency. In April 2017, she became the first recruit announced by Justice Democrats, an organization built by veterans of Sen. Bernie Sanders's 2016 presidential campaign. Each candidate embraced the key planks of Sanders's platform -- Medicare-for-all, criminal justice and immigration reform, as well as opposition to corporate PAC money. Each was also a serious underdog.

Maybe in the next Congress, we'll see more than just four members of "The Squad," in other words. As far as we're concerned, the more the merrier!

For her stunning upset victory, progressive Cori Bush is our Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week. We look forward to seeing her in the House next January.

[Cori Bush is still a private citizen, and we do not link to campaign webpages, so you'll have to search her contact information yourselves in order to let her know you appreciate her efforts.]

 

Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week

We hate to do it, but we're going to give Joe Biden the Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week award, for a rather bizarre comment he made to a reporter this week.

There were actually two of these to choose from, but we see what he said about the African-American vote versus the Latino vote as more of a "Washington gaffe," where a politician accidentally speaks a truth that nobody's supposed to say out loud. Biden was essentially right -- Black voters are one of the most monolithic voting blocs in America. They vote for Democrats because Republicans do absolutely nothing at all for them (other than use Black people to fearmonger in their political ads). It makes perfect sense why most Republicans get less than 10 percent of the Black vote, in other words.

But the other exchange Biden had was worse, in our opinion. Here's the exchange, after yet another reporter asked Biden whether he's been tested for mental decline:

CBS correspondent Errol Barnett prompted the presumptive Democratic nominee to clarify if he had taken a test measuring his mental acuity, leading to a tense exchange.

"No, I haven't taken a test. Why the hell would I take a test? Come on, man," Biden said. "That's like saying to you, before you got on this program if you had taken a test were you taking cocaine or not. What do you think, huh? Are you a junkie?"

Um... what?

Now, we do realize that (1) it is downright insulting if not rude to ask such a question of anyone, and (2) Biden's getting tired of hearing this -- but at the same time, he's got to get a better answer than: "Are you a junkie?" Mental decline and illegal drug use aren't really equivalent, in other words, so it's impossible to understand why Biden chose to go there.

The whole issue is a rather large part of Trump's attacks on Biden, which means that Biden's going to have to address this over and over again -- at least until he comes up with a zinger such as Reagan's: "I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience."

Perhaps something like: "I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, the fact that my opponent thinks that being able to identify a camel is some sort of I.Q. test" might just work? Whatever -- Team Biden really does have to come up with a snappy answer to these questions, because the one that Biden himself came up with was pretty disappointing.

[Joe Biden is technically a private citizen, and our policy is not to link to campaign websites, so you'll have to look his contact information up yourself, sorry.]

 

Friday Talking Points

Volume 585 (8/7/20)

The first two of these come from Joe Biden's Twitter account, because he recently made one very excellent point (in two different ways) that is one of the biggest selling points that he's got -- that the endless and pointless drama can come to an end if he gets in the White House.

The rest of the talking points are more of a mixed bag, as usual.

 

1
   A winning campaign slogan

Joe Biden has hit upon what could possibly be the most potent argument he could make to convince voters that's he's the best choice. It's short, sweet, and to the point. In fact, he could retweet this every day and we still wouldn't get tired of hearing it. Think we're overstating the potency of his argument? You decide...

You won't have to worry about my tweets when I'm president.

 

2
   On a related subject

There was a similar tweet from Biden this week, on the heels of a dustup between Donald Trump and one of his pandemic experts, Dr. Deborah Birx. This came in response to a Trump tweet which called her "pathetic."

It's hard to believe this has to be said, but if I'm elected president, I'll spend my Monday mornings working with our nation's top experts to control this virus -- not insulting them on Twitter.

 

3
   Place the blame where it belongs

As of this writing, it appears the talks on the next coronavirus relief bill have all but broken down between Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and the White House minions. What this means for the immediate future is that we're all going to play the blame game all weekend long. Fortunately, Democrats are going to win this contest.

"You're wondering who to blame for the breakdown in negotiations? Well, look no further than the Republicans, because it was they who said they needed a "pause" of ten full weeks while they sat on their hindquarters and did absolutely nothing. When you abdicate your responsibility in such a stunning dereliction of duty, it is impossible to come back later and bemoan the fact that deadlines have passed. Democrats have been ready to go since the middle of May, I remind you. But Republicans refuse to even entertain a compromise offer. Democrats want a $3 trillion relief package, the Republicans countered with $1 trillion -- in a bill that could not even make it through the Republican Senate -- so we offered to split the difference at $2 trillion. But this offer was flatly refused. So you don't have to look very hard to see who is trying to solve the problem and rescue America's economy and American workers -- and who instead prefers to sit around and do nothing about it."

 

4
   What jobs?

Hit back at this nonsense, too.

"Republicans are arguing from the position that American workers are all lazy and greedy and would rather sit at home collecting unemployment checks rather than go out and get a job. If these were normal times with a normal unemployment rate, they might have an ideological leg to stand on -- but these are anything but normal times. Unemployment is in the double digits, tens of millions are without work, and there just are no jobs out there. But Republicans don't care -- they want people out there starving and being evicted because, to Republicans, they're all lazy and greedy and are refusing to take all those jobs. You know -- all those jobs that do not currently exist."

 

5
   Muddled information after an attack?

Please, please, would some Democrat point out this irony?

"After the explosion in Beirut, President Trump told the public that it was 'a bomb of some kind,' apparently based upon absolutely nothing. Trump said, and I quote, 'I mean, somebody left some terrible explosive type of devices and things around, perhaps it was that, perhaps it was on attack. I don't think anybody can say right now.' Unquote. Now let's compare this -- an early report that Secretary of Defense Mark Esper directly contradicted by saying it was 'an accident' -- with what happened right after the attack on Benghazi. It seems in this instance, early reports amplified by the president with no actual basis in fact are just peachy-keen with all the Republicans out there who were outraged that early reports out of Benghazi later turned out to be inaccurate. If a Democratic president said anything like that, we'd have multiple endless congressional investigations -- ten or twelve of them, at the least -- but when Trump says it, Republicans just shrug and go with: 'It is what it is.' How times have changed!"

 

6
   When Republicans do it, it's OK

We wrote about this at length earlier, but it's worth revisiting here.

"It seems someone close to him sat Donald Trump down and explained in no uncertain terms that he was going to lose Florida if the GOP didn't turn out the mail-in vote there. So suddenly Trump decided that mail-in voting was just fine -- 'safe and secure, tried and true' -- when it is Republicans who are voting by mail. It's only when Democrats do so that the election is rigged. The closer we get to the actual election, the more we can expect to hear more of these bogus pre-emptive excuses from Trump for why he's going to lose, it appears. Who knows which one of them he'll have fixated upon by Election Day?"

 

7
   Thoughts and prayers

How appropriate!

"When the news broke that the New York attorney general is trying to dissolve the National Rifle Association for essentially being nothing more than a giant con job -- with the executives taking in dues and members' money and then personally spending it like drunken sailors -- there was much snarky sympathy from all over. This mostly took the form of people promising oh-so-sincerely to keep the N.R.A. in their 'thoughts and prayers.' After all, that's what you're supposed to do when tragedy strikes, right?"

-- Chris Weigant

 

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180 Comments on “Friday Talking Points -- It Is What It Is”

  1. [1] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Chris,

    Perhaps something like: "I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, the fact that my opponent thinks that being able to identify a camel is some sort of I.Q. test" might just work? Whatever -- Team Biden really does have to come up with a snappy answer to these questions, because the one that Biden himself came up with was pretty disappointing.

    Maybe YOU should think about running for president ...

  2. [2] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I mean, because you have such great answers to asinine questions. Ahem.

  3. [3] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Pardon me but, that made my temperature rise so that I'm feeling a bit feverish.

    I should be good and used to this by now but, alas, I am not and probably never will be. :(

  4. [4] 
    andygaus wrote:

    Biden's response to a request that he take a cognitive test should be: "I'll do it right now. Person, woman, man, camera, TV. The one with a trunk is an elephant and the one with a hump is a camel. 100, 93, 86, 79. The little hand is on 11 and the big hand is on 2. Person, woman, man, camera, TV."

  5. [5] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    How about: Doctors give that test to people they suspect of suffering from dementia. I don't have that problem. Covfefe yo semite.

  6. [6] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Heh.

  7. [7] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I mean, hehehehehehehehehehehehe!

  8. [8] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    OK. So how much is it going to cost Big Money Joe to stay off your hitlist? Let Dementia J Trump be the one who says the quiet part out loud.

    You can't be doing that. - KY Gov Andy Beshear

  9. [9] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    No amount of money, JFC.

    Expect many more similarly inspired MDDOTW awards for Biden around here before the election. Which I hope isn't close.

    It's par for the course and Chris, you know, calls 'em as he sees 'em. Can't argue with that. ;)

  10. [10] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    CW wrote,

    Bizarrely, the Republican position in these talks is: "Let's be extra-stingy even though that will likely guarantee a double-dip recession right before the election." It's almost like Trump is trying to lose.

    It appears that the Repugs have given up hope for Trump's reelection and are preparing the country for the same kind of obstructionism that they greeted Obama with. Trump himself is shading more and more nutso with each passing Friday Talking Points. But because he's dominated the GOP for four years the surviving Repugs figure they will be able to pin most of the blame on the undearly** departed Cheetogod.

    All of the sudden, in late January coincidentally, they'll rediscover their concern for the deficit. Just in time to stymie Joe's cleanup efforts. I sure hope Joe doesn't take this "bipartisanship" crap as seriously as Obama did.

    Trash the Filibuster, pack the supreme court with flaming Liberals and don't wuss out like the eternally disappointing Barry O.

    **There I go, inventing words again.

    undearly
    undearly
    undearly
    undearly
    undearly

    Next stop, Oxford Dictionary of English!

  11. [11] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Geez, Liz... you sound like a Trump-cult member — foaming at the mouth and wanting to fight anyone who points out when your guy’s responses to simple questions were cringe-worthy! Biden should have been prepared for that question, it is going to be asked of him MANY, MANY times before the election.

    I mean, if you cannot admit when Joe makes a mistake, then you’re gonna have a long 4 years ahead of you!

  12. [12] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    Country Club Don went on another 3 day weekend at his country club after orchestrating the collapse of the Trump Depression relief bill negotiations. Then he gave a bizarre Friday evening press conference from his country club and encouraged not wearing masks again.

    Sometimes I think maybe Country Club Don has dementia.

  13. [13] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Lighten up, Russ. :)

    Why do I have to keep telling you that?

  14. [14] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    And, Joe didn't make a mistake.

  15. [15] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [4] andygaus wrote:


    Biden's response to a request that he take a cognitive test should be: "I'll do it right now. Person, woman, man, camera, TV. The one with a trunk is an elephant and the one with a hump is a camel. 100, 93, 86, 79. The little hand is on 11 and the big hand is on 2. Person, woman, man, camera, TV."

    [5] John From Censornati wrote:


    How about: Doctors give that test to people they suspect of suffering from dementia. I don't have that problem. Covfefe yo semite.

    Outstanding, Gentlemen! I agree that the quality and creativity down here in Weigantia has gone up since the days of, "I have a call for Mike Hunt."

  16. [16] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    John From Censornati [5]

    Covfefe yo semite.

    I think you have found how I will be ending my correspondences from now on!

    THAT is beautiful! Bravo!

  17. [17] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I mean, if you cannot admit when Joe makes a mistake, then you’re gonna have a long 4 years ahead of you!

    Now, that right there is a laugh riot!

  18. [18] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Liz,

    Why do I have to keep telling you that?

    Funny, I was asking myself that same exact question!

  19. [19] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Chris,

    Are you a Russian agent?

  20. [20] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Yeah, calm down Elizabeth. Joe simply is a gaffe machine. In a way it's kind of endearing.

    To help you feel better, Dearheart, I wrote Joe a talking point in your honor:

    "I'm not as slick as some con man. In fact, I do misspeak from time to time. But I don't misstep like the con man President we've been stuck with."

    Or something like that.

  21. [21] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    I'm still learning names/aliases here in Weigantia. Which one of you is the "Russ" Elizabeth mentioned?

  22. [22] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Gotta love Pelosi’s directness! From her interview with Jim Cramer on Thursday:

    Jim Cramer: I like your spirit of being more upbeat, more optimistic, so I will offer this: Why can’t you go across the aisle and say, ‘Representative Lewis, civil rights legend, would have loved it if we could do something for the totally disenfranchised in this country. No matter what, can we give a huge chunk of money to the people who are disenfranchised, to minorities who want so badly to stay in business and can’t and to people who are trying to go to college or have student loans who are minorities who are the most affected because they had the least chance in our country?’ That’s got to be something both sides can agree to.

    Speaker Pelosi: Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn for what you just described.

    Jim Cramer: Ooh, jeez.

    Speaker Pelosi: Yeah. That’s the problem. See, the thing is, they don’t believe in governance. They don’t believe in governance, and that requires some acts of government to do that. . . . And basically, economists tell us, spend the money, invest the money for those who need it the most, because they will spend it. It will be a stimulus or at least a stabilization of — and that’s a good thing. Consumer confidence is a good thing for the economy. You know that better than anyone.

  23. [23] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    Evangelical Lifestyle Enthusiast Jerry Falwall Jr is taking a leave of absence from Liberty U after repeated posing for freaky photos that always seem to get leaked.

    Will the orange one wish him well or throw him under the bus?

  24. [24] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    I am Russ. I gotta get better at signing my work.

  25. [25] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    No religion! No anything! Hurt the Bible! Hurt God! He's against God!

    Now to be fair, there are very fewer and fewer who preach the wrath of God these days. There is a radical leftist movement in America to de-fang and de-claw God and replace him with a mutant conglomeration of Barney, Oprah, Santa Claus, & Gandhi and Joe Biden is their puppet.

    The only problem with that god is that he is not a god at all. He is a human construction.

  26. [26] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Chris,

    Funny, isn't it, that CNN and another of my favourite political analysts, Tom Friedman, got your indignation all ass-backwards. They couldn't figure out what the heck he was talking about when implying, truthfully, that the Black community tends toward being a monolithic voting block. They just couldn't see any truth in that or they just didn't understand or whatever. I just noticed something about the word, analyst ...

    As for the asinine question about mental acuity, why not answer by pointing out how asinine the question was.

    I doubt very much that professional journalists will keep asking him about this nonsense ... oh, wait.

  27. [27] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @cw,

    Two White House minions have been in repeated coronavirus relief talks with Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, so far to no avail.

    maybe that was because they were distracted by a banana.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f2/53/42/f253429d1363acbd1e2149cab39bbcd7.gif

  28. [28] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @jfc,

    how do you explain god to a 2 year old? or to a president who behaves like a 2 year old, for that matter?

    JL

  29. [29] 
    Kick wrote:

    CW: Team Biden really does have to come up with a snappy answer to these questions, because the one that Biden himself came up with was pretty disappointing.

    Q: Have you ever taken a cognitive test?

    A: No, I haven't. Why would I? I know the difference between an elephant and a snake. Say, didn't that doctor who claimed Trump passed a cognitive test also say he could have lived to be 200, was 6 foot 3 inches tall, and had a full head of thick wavy hair?

    And then just smile and laugh his ass off. :)

  30. [30] 
    John M from Ct. wrote:

    Not sure what the Talking Points criteria are, but this came over my network this week. David Atkins in Washington Monthly pointed out that the Trump administration decided in the spring of this year that because the Covid plague was primarily impacting Blue States and minorities - not the president's constituencies - a federal response to suppress the virus would be ill-advised politically.
    Atkins struggles to find a word for the president's decision, and comes up with 'genocide'.

    Talking Point: The President of the United States decided that the deaths of thousands of Americans was acceptable, or desirable, because they were not people who voted for him.

    Link to Atkins' article

  31. [31] 
    John M from Ct. wrote:
  32. [32] 
    Kick wrote:

    ListenWhenYouHear
    22

    Gotta love Pelosi’s directness! From her interview with Jim Cramer on Thursday.

    Did she slap him, Russ? ;)

    She sure told him!

  33. [33] 
    Kick wrote:

    John From Censornati
    23

    Evangelical Lifestyle Enthusiast Jerry Falwall Jr is taking a leave of absence from Liberty U after repeated posing for freaky photos that always seem to get leaked.

    Will the orange one wish him well or throw him under the bus?

    Trump had no problem tossing God under the wheels, but I would wager he'd be afraid to throw Jerry Jr under the bus since he might not "fall well."

    Whatever happened to those 2 Corinthians? :)

  34. [34] 
    Kick wrote:

    nypoet22
    27

    maybe that was because they were distracted by a banana.

    Heh. Banana!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeRDHjD7wUg

  35. [35] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    nypoet22 [28],

    how do you explain god to a 2 year old?

    Clearly state that no such invisible mythical creature exists. It's never too soon.

    or to a president who behaves like a 2 year old, for that matter?

    Clearly state that no such invisible mythical creature exists. It's never too late.

  36. [36] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Chris,thank you for creating another admirable FTP.

    That introductory paragraph is one of the best snarky take-downs I've read in a while. Bravo!

    I, for one, don't mind that you 'skip over it all', as the introduction cast both a wide net -and- provided sufficient detail IMO.

  37. [37] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Talking points 3, 4, and 6 are terrific; more like these, please. As a native Floridian, I am delighted that the media isn't let Trump off the hook with the mail-in voting flip-flop. We can only hope that the Trumpsters and Faux News viewers in retirement communities throughout the state become too confused to even cast a ballot AT ALL. Those that aren't hospitalized or dead by November, that is.

  38. [38] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Re: TP7. While a delightful sardonic ending to the FTP, will hardly 'move the needle'. It will be interesting to see whether the 'dues-paying, life-long' NRA members readily consume the bile of the right-wing outrage machine -or- if they will see through the bullshit and focus on the fact that they've been hoodwinked.

    Meanwhile, the rest of America has other things to worry about.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/06/trump-is-losing-the-culture-wars-392407

  39. [39] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Chris, I am disappointed that none of the Talking Points mentions that schools throughout America are 'reopening'. Republicans are intentionally exposing teachers, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, office staff, and ("Remember the ") children ("!) to a deadly virus.

    In the next 14 days, we will be reading article after article about a school reclosing, adults hospitalized and dying, children sick and dying ("Who could have known?"), etc. And I, for one, fully expect the same Republican (non)leaders to suddenly fall silent -or- blame others.
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/08/07/florida-health-directors-told-not-give-schools-advice-reopening/3317014001/

  40. [40] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    And if you'll permit me to be frivolous for once (yes, I am a rank hypocrite):
    On August 8, 1980, the world experienced for the first time
    "A place where nobody dared to go,
    A love that we came to know"

    Happy Xanadu Day, everyone.
    https://wfmu.org/playlists/XA

  41. [41] 
    TheStig wrote:

    kick-33

    2 Corinthians walk into a Trump Hotel.

    "We don't get too many Corinthians in here." says the desk clerk.

    "Between your tacky decor and the high prices I can see why." says Corinthian 1.

    "I'll tell the kangaroo not to bring the luggage in." says Corinthian 2.

  42. [42] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    CW-
    TP#6- Just like it is only bad when Republicons take big money to run their campaigns and it is okay when Deathocrats do it.

    See also comment 64 from Electoral Math and my reply to your "It is what it is" statements regarding the binary choice of inadequate candidates being offered in this election cycle.

    It also seems that your MIDOTW would have qualified as a "Pie-in-the-sky" candidate, just as Bernie was a "Pie in the sky" candidate in 2016.

    And yet, the "Pie in the sky" candidate in 2016 did much better than expected which led to the creation of an organization that was part of making it possible for the "Pie in the sky" candidate to win in 2020.

    Funny how you use "Pie in the sky" to denigrate One Demand and use that as an excuse to avoid addressing it with rational argument and then celebrate when "Pie in the sky" candidates exceed expectations that fit your views.

    It is what it is?

    What it is isn't good enough.

    Wake up. Wise up. Rise up.
    Get Real.

  43. [43] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    According to the latest Q poll, the orange one and Moscow Mitch are weakening in KY. Let's see what happens when people are unable to pay their bills and the GOP won't help.

  44. [44] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [45]

    Funny how you use "Pie in the sky" to denigrate One Demand and use that as an excuse to avoid addressing it with rational argument...

    No, Don. A couple/three episodes ago Bleyd, Kick and MtnCaddy raised the problematic issues with OD. ALL collected in one spot, how convenient! You had as good as any opportunity to address each issue in turn.

    But no! You deemed all of it as "trolling," and thence failed to stand and deliver when three of us went through the effort to post re OD.

    Yer just like the troll formerly known as Michale -- you disappear the moment a tough question comes your way. At least you don't duck out by changing the subject.

    Of course, that's because with you there is no other issue. Boring. Useless. If you had confidence in OD you wouldn't run away from the issues raised by those of us who bother to deal with you.

    Have you ever even"converted" or "recruited" anyone in the years you've been here? Why can't you get a clue?

  45. [45] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    Country Club Don held another lie conference today at the country club. When a CBS reporter dogged him about why he was again taking credit for the Veteran's Choice bill that Obama signed in 2014, he ran away.

    Big Money Joe needs to take advantage of this. Draft Dodger Don lies about it constantly. Joe had better not disappoint. I'm putting him on notice.

    I wonder if the Village People are OK with racist homophobe Drumpf running away to YMCA.

  46. [46] 
    Kick wrote:

    TheStig
    41

    Heh! :)

  47. [47] 
    Kick wrote:

    John From Censornati
    45

    Country Club Don held another lie conference today at the country club. When a CBS reporter dogged him about why he was again taking credit for the Veteran's Choice bill that Obama signed in 2014, he ran away.

    Yep. Trump keeps lying to the gullible rubes that he's responsible for lots of things Obama has already done.

    That's a big thing. I've always been very strongly in favor. We have to cover pre-existing conditions so we will be pursuing a major executive order requiring health insurance companies to cover all pre-existing conditions for all of its customers. This has never been done before.

    ~ Donald Trump

    *
    Yes, pre-existing conditions have been covered before and are part of the Affordable Care Act... the same ACA that not a single member of the GOP voted to pass and the gullible minions still whine hysterically about how much they hate it... except when Big Liar of the United States takes credit for it and the cult members lap it up like brainless hypocrites.

    I wonder if the Village People are OK with racist homophobe Drumpf running away to YMCA.

    Not sure about them, and how about "Florida Man"?

  48. [48] 
    Speak2 wrote:

    The Rep from MO, Clay: Ferguson, MO, is in his district. I'm sure I knew that to some extent, but not really.

    I hear Clay's name and I know he's a rep, but I'd have to search to know more than that off the top of my head.

    He represents Ferguson, MO and he's not a household name.

    Like Engels, he stopped representing his district a long time ago. I mean, how could the Rep from Ferguson not be a household name???

  49. [49] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Okay, I can hardly wait to spill the beans, as they say, regarding my really big news ...

    So, I hope everyone will check in tomorrow night for the CW Sunday Night Music Festival and Dance Party!

    It's all so very awesome that it's so hard to believe!!!

  50. [50] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Fine, be that way ... :(

  51. [51] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [49]

    Awwww, Elizabeth...

    Tease me
    Please me

    See you mañans at the Weigantian Jam Fest. I have a couple good ones just awaiting to be launched.

    Ciao.

  52. [52] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    I neglected to nominate a more qualified MDDOW:
    'The independent watchdog agency said much of the total went to paying expenses at golf clubs where Bishop is a member. And more than $16,000 in congressional funds were reportedly spent at annual holiday parties at one club for the staffs of Bishop and his wife, Vivian Creighton Bishop, a Georgia municipal judge.'
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/31/sanford-bishop-allegedly-misused-campaign-funds-389742

  53. [53] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Mtn Caddy (44)-
    Not factually correct.
    You posted excerpts from previous comments by yourself and Bleyd that I responded to and then you guys ran away from my response. Kick does the same thing.

    I offered to continue the conversation by referring you back to my response and gave you the opportunity to continue the conversation from that point.

    You refused to go back and continue the conversation because you said you shouldn't have to do that. You just wanted me to waste my time repeating an answer that you would again ignore and claim I never answered.

    That is YOU trolling.

    You are full of digested pie.

    Get real.

  54. [54] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    MtnCaddy,

    Feel free to get the festivities off to a great start tonight as I'm working today and probably won't get here until some time after 6pm ...

  55. [55] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [53] Don Harris wrote:


    Mtn Caddy (44)-

    ...I offered to continue the conversation by referring you back to my response and gave you the opportunity to continue the conversation from that point.

    You refused to go back and continue the conversation because you said you shouldn't have to do that. You just wanted me to waste my time repeating an answer that you would again ignore and claim I never answered.

    Um, that's not factually accurate. Yes of course I copied previous comments. I was aiding both of us by consolidating together the arguments against OD in the expectation that you'd address those concerns all in one place.

    I read every last comment here (with the exception of the the troll formerly known as Michale's long-ass boldified** FoxNews/Epoch Times excerpts) and you have not addressed these collective concerns, not even close.

    I'm not willing to plow through hundreds or thousands of comments to find and make your argument for you. That's YOUR job. If you wanna persuade anyone that OD is anything but pie in the sky it's on YOU to do so. I set up the bowling pins for you and you want me to roll your bowling ball for you too? Fat chance.

    Funny how it's "a waste of your time" to repeat previous answers that would undoubtedly persuade us all, yet you keep on repeating your"get real" mantra over and over and over and have persuade exactly nobody here. So don't talk about "wasting time," thilly wabbit.

    **Boldified, a longtime MtnCaddy word

  56. [56] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Mtn Caddy-
    Yes, you copied previous comments. If you can find those comments, then you can find the answers. You just claim they are not there.

    The response to Bleyd if I remember that comment correctly is right in the same thread as Bleyd's comment.

    Where is your proof that it isn't there?

    If you are going to claim it isn't there then you had better have gone through every comment to make sure it isn't there before you make the claim.

    I am not posting it again for you because all you will do is run away and/or deflect.

    While my responses may not persuade you, they do prove you wrong which is why you run away, deflect and reset the argument to before my responses.

    Here is my contribution for the music fest which is how I view your trolling:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmXc5ZpBuaI

  57. [57] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    And one with a little more pep.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cICBwyJtJkU

  58. [58] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    One Demand is the Mr. Apollo citizens to "kick the sand right back in their faces".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmDAwA9jIPU

  59. [59] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [56]

    Whatever, Don.

    You're right and everybody else here is wrong! And that's why you are convincing all of us so, er, convincingly.

    Great game plan you got there haha.

  60. [60] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Just because "commenters" HERE are not convinced does not mean anything beyond here.

    I get many positive comments other places I comment that far out number any negative comments.

    More people have commented positively than all those that have commented here (negatively or positively) since I started commenting here.

    And people that are only trolling such as yourself are not interested in debate or adult discussion and will not be convinced of anything despite the ample evidence provided.

  61. [61] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @don,

    it's so nice to hear you've been able to convince some folks elsewhere to join you on your quest. how unfortunate for all of weigantia past and present that we're not so enlightened. best of luck!

    JL

  62. [62] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    Demented J Drumpf has the Nobody Likes Me blues, so here’s my musical selection in his dishonor.

    I can hear my name ringing, baby
    People talk about me all over town
    Yeah, you used to love me
    Now you got me acting like your clown

    Orange Driver

  63. [63] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Okay, that's quite enough of politics for one Sunday!

    Welcome, everyone, to another CW Sunday Night Music Festival and Dance Party!

    As y'all know, I have been bursting at the seams, almost, over my awesome news.

    But, here is just one more little hint ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPRBHn3798k

  64. [64] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    I don't get how that song is good for dancing on Bunker Boy's grave.

  65. [65] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    JFC,

    The 'Nobody Likes Me' blues ... perfect!

  66. [66] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    It's just a hint for my news!

  67. [67] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    You could pick Lies or Turd On The Run from the Stones.

  68. [68] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I can't wait any longer, so here is a 'big honkin' clue - it's right there in the lyrics of one of my very favourite PRiSM tunes, Nickels and Dimes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdwg1rmK-aM

    This is a live performance at the Royal Oak Music Theatre in Detroit - it was also broadcast live on radio, if memory serves ...

    Have mercy on a poor boy's soul
    And please don't be too unkind
    I live my life on the edge of a knife
    Now I'm leavin' it all behind

    Oh, We blew those nickels and dimes
    Oh, We blew those nickels and dimes

    I got me a three-piece suit
    Set out on the make
    Now I serenade those rich old maids
    Like a sweet-talkin', two legged snake

    ( CHORUS )

    I turned on my boyscout smile
    I stood up and gave her my seat
    Winked my eye and unzipped my fly
    And later we went up to her penthouse suite

    ( SOLO )

    Every eye in the casino
    Is on the woman at the roulette wheel
    She was thirty-eight, a little over weight
    In her purse lay her charm and appeal

    ( CHORUS X 2 )

    ( OUTRO )

  69. [69] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Okay, Chris, my post just got eaten by your @8&$##@ filter!!!

  70. [70] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    There are so many Stones tunes to choose from ...

  71. [71] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Okay, okay ... I can't wait any longer so here is a 'big honkin' clue - it's right there in the lyrics of one of my very favourite Prism tunes, Nickels and Dimes, sorry, can't seem to post the live version at the Royal Oak Music Theatre in Detroit. :(

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td86SiI4UZI&feature=youtu.be&autoplay=1

    Have mercy on a poor boy's soul
    And please don't be too unkind
    I live my life on the edge of a knife
    Now I'm leavin' it all behind

    Oh, We blew those nickels and dimes
    Oh, We blew those nickels and dimes

    I got me a three-piece suit
    Set out on the make
    Now I serenade those rich old maids
    Like a sweet-talkin', two legged snake

    (CHORUS)

    I turned on my boy scout smile
    I stood up and gave her my seat
    Winked my eye and unzipped my fly
    And later we went up to her penthouse suite

    (SOLO)

    Every eye in the c a s i no
    Is on the woman at the roulette wheel
    She was thirty-eight, a little over weight
    In her purse lay her charm and appeal

    (CHORUS X 2)

    (OUTRO)

  72. [72] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    [68]

    Chris, never mind. :)

  73. [73] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @liz,

    get off my cloud.

  74. [74] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    You got a music video for that?

  75. [75] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I won't hold you in suspense any longer.

    Are there any Rolling Stones fans here? Well, I wouldn't call myself a 'fan' but, I don't dislike their music. And, I'm lovin' it more with each passing day.

    You may have heard about their phenomenal exhibition that has been touring world capitals and important cities - New York, Tokyo, London, Amsterdam, etc. It's a retrospective on 50+ years of the greatest rock 'n roll band in the history of the world, an interactive museum exhibit, including a replica of their "Chelsea flat ‘Edith Grove’, and culminates in a mind-blowing backstage and 3D concert experience."

    We were all wondering what Canadian city would host this roving extravaganza - Vancouver? Montreal? Toronto? Saskatoon? Or, the obvious, Winnipeg? This exhibition would make one stop, one stop only in Canada and stay for about three months to give everyone a chance to come and see it.

    Well, the big announcement was made earlier this week and, the winning city is ... my hometown and where I have always lived and still do to this day and I ain't movin' now!!!

    Kitchener-Waterloo, sunny southern Ontario, will be hosting the Rolling Stones' Unzipped exhibition, beginning November 02, 2021, at TheMuseum in downtown Kitchener, formerly Berlin and the home of the biggest Oktoberfest in North America. And, now we've got the Stones!!!

    This is the Canadian debut and only stop in Canada for 'Unzipped' and is the result of what passion and persistence can accomplish, which is what the CEO of TheMuseum, David Marskell, has put into his effort to bring this Stones retrospective to my fair city, to the exclusion of all other cities in Canada.

    Now, I imagine that if my city and local classic rock radio station (KFUN 99.5 FM) and mayor and health department play this fantastic opportunity right, we may even expect a visit from the Stones, themselves!!! I'll be sure to keep y'all posted on that particular phenomenal news!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqMl5CRoFdk

    You can't always get what you want. But, if you try sometimes you just might find that you get what you need.

    Indeed! :)

    Here is THE link, if you're interested in making plans to see it!

    http://www.unzippedkw.ca

  76. [76] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    You've gotta be freakin' kidding me!

  77. [77] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    It was just the announcement of my big news, you know??

  78. [78] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Unbelievable.

  79. [79] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I need another drink.

  80. [80] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Chris, oh bartender extraordinaire ... ?

  81. [81] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    OH, sheeeeeeeee-it, I posted two links in the same damn post.

  82. [82] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Someone post a song, for God's sake!

  83. [83] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Okay, I will ... whenever I get upset or frustrated or anxious or any one of those types of feelings, I ALWAYS revert back to you know who.

    Here is Prism's It's Over ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g1231eTbpM

  84. [84] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    It's over, only if he leaves. Which he won't.

  85. [85] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Once Joe whups Donnie's kiester I'll be in Rapture, most likely Dancing in the street, a-blasting Atomic Dog.

    If anybody asks why I'll tell them, "I just want to celebrate!"

  86. [86] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    There. That outta shut her up!

    JK, my Dear Elizabeth. Seems I just posted four (4) links in one comment. The force must be strong with MtnCaddy.

  87. [87] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    I must go walk my husky Betty at least a mile or two.

    I expect a bunch of killer tunes here whence I return. Sunday nights songs become my early week playlist,

    So gimme all your lovin'
    Gimme all good music, too!

  88. [88] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    4 links. ?? :(

  89. [89] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Yep. Four links, four songs.

  90. [90] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I don't understand.

    But, let's dance,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAQSZhazYk8

  91. [91] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52iW3lcpK5M

    Get into the groove with Madonna.

    Come to think of it, one of my most favourite CDs is Madonna's Something To Remember ... love love love every single track on it!

  92. [92] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Only, instead of simply cutting and pasting the gobblygook YouTube link I use the "[]a href[etc]" thingy with text (song titles!) following each link. I think it's classier, no disrespect to anyone here.

  93. [93] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    that's too complicated

  94. [94] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I've been thinking of Michale and wondering if he'll ever return and, hoping that if he does, it'll be different.

    This one's for you Michale and, it ain't Barry Manilow! :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52iW3lcpK5Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQJpyQBShU

  95. [95] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale, that was the WRONG link!

    Here ya go ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQJpyQBShU

  96. [96] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    You don't understand what?

    Um, anything I post that's a blue font and underlined is a "hidden" link to a song or to an article I'm addressing in my comment.

  97. [97] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [91]

    Elizabeth Miller wrote:


    that's too complicated

    Girlfriend it's right there at the end of CW's "Commenting Tips" page.

    C'mon, Canada, this ain't rocket science. Ya gotta do it effing exactly as directed. It took me a little bit of practice in order to get fluent at it, but my [83] took me less than four minutes to whip out one comment with four songs, each identified by it's title.

    Try it, you'll like it!

  98. [98] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    That's search time on YouTube, putting the links in a regular English language paragraph and hitting "Submit Comment."

  99. [99] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Alright, already!

  100. [100] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    There's something in the air
    There's something rising up
    Not one, but a million that have had enough

    Secrets From The Underground

    There’s no choice but to confront you
    To engage you
    To erase you
    I’ve gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain
    I will use my mistakes against you
    There’s no other choice

    Bottom

  101. [101] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Yeah I hope he doesn't read this, as Michale let's things go to his head. But I wonder if he's okay.

    In these days of social distancing (I live in an itty bitty mountain community of 350 souls) I've come to feel that my Homies and Homegirls here in Weigantia are kind of my family. Michale simply (because he's a simpleton? Heh) plays the fool of your hard core Conservative Uncle.

  102. [102] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice.

  103. [103] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    I've heard folks here complain about their posts being eaten. It appears that by doing it my way allows one to include multiple links in one comment (e.g. my [93])

  104. [104] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [100] John From Censornati wrote:


    Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice.

    Um, isn't that how you summon the trolls?

  105. [105] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Yep, time to bug out and go on a walk...

  106. [106] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Okay, JFC,

    Tonight is about dancing on the grave of the Trump presidency.

    So, here is the first of my picks for the solemn occasion ... lyrics first, in quotes, then the link.

    I think punk gets it best.

    G.L.O.S.S. - Targets of Men

    [Intro]
    "Back off, get lost
    Hell no, yeah right

    [Verse 1]
    "On the street you follow me around
    Catcall from behind, see my face and cut me down
    "Tranny", "shemale", "faggot", "whore"
    But I'm a flawless bitch and you're a fucking bore
    This makeup is for my eyes
    These fishnets are for my thighs
    This walk is how I got through life
    You want the pepper spray first or the pocket knife?

    [Hook]
    "Targeted by men, we're targets of men
    Targeted by men, we're targets

    [Verse 2]
    "Did I say you could look at me?
    Did I say you could talk to me?
    You really think we'd be friends?
    Shut your fucking mouth and hang your head
    I don't remember inviting your words
    I don't remember inviting your gaze
    I'd never asked your opinion of shit
    My body, my rules, get on with it
    [Hook]
    "Targeted by men; we're targets, targets of men
    Targeted by men; we're targets, targets of men

    [Outro]
    "Fuck you
    Yeah, fuck you
    Go home"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svKJrfKGElA&list=RDsvKJrfKGElA&index=1

  107. [107] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    They're nasty.

  108. [108] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    And, this ... Downtown Boys' Wave of History.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=79&v=T23wfhddpYY&feature=emb_title

    Downtown Boys "make bilingual, politically radical punk rock that speaks to America’s injustices with equal parts elegance and ferocity. If you’re looking for an anti-Trump anthem, pick pretty much any song from their 2015 debut, Full Communism, which righteously rails against slumlords, racists, and fascists (otherwise known as The Donald Trifecta). “Wave of History” ranks among the groovier and more all-encompassing blasts of sax-powered fury; just as importantly, it reminds us that Trump didn’t come from out of nowhere."

    Check out the lyrics!

  109. [109] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:
  110. [110] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    I'm summoning?

  111. [111] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I do want to end the festivities tonight on a rather sad note so, stick around later for a flashback/throwback song from Prism.

    It's a tribute song to a small town girl who got everything all at once and met an untimely and gruesome death at the hands of her estranged husband.

    Cover Girl tells the sad story of Dorothy Stratten, discovered at a Dairy Queen in a suburb of Vancouver in 1978 at the age of 18, soon becoming a Playboy playmate of the month in 1979 and playmate of the year in 1980.

    She was never into the Playboy Mansion scene and Heffner knew enough to leave her alone. But, after her marriage went sour, she fell in love with director Peter Bogda novic. They planned to be married after her divorce but, she was shot in the face in a murder suicide on August 14, 1980.

    Prism released Cover Girl soon after her death in 1980 and by the end of that year, Prism's front man, Ron Tabak was fired from the band. How incredibly STUPID can one Canadian rock band be, anyway!? Then, at the end of 1984, days before the original members of Prism, including Tabak, were to reunite, Tabak was killed in a cycling accident on the dark, snowy streets of Vancouver.

    Sigh.

  112. [112] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Oh, heck, here is the link now, then we don't have to end on a sad note ...

    By the way, the song was written by Prism's Lindsay Mitchell (who fired Tabak, grrrrrrrr) and a little known Bryan Adams!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haeni0hu7LY

  113. [113] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Did I mention that Dorothy was from Vancouver, just like Prism, and she met them to award them their platinum album award ... photo seen in the video.

  114. [114] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I'm about done.

    But, if my comment announcing the big news doesn't pass through moderation soon, I'll re-post. I think I copied it.

  115. [115] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Oh, I almost forgot, TCM has a new podcast, The Plot Thickens and the season opener is 'I'm Still Peter Bogdanovich' and episode six is all about Dorothy and the devastating impact her death had on the famous and infamous director ...

    https://theplotthickens.tcm.com/

    Bogdanovich has just wrapped up filming 'They All Laughed' with Dorothy. I haven't seen it yet but it sounds like a fun little movie. :)

  116. [116] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Make that 'had' just finished wrapping up the filming of They All Laughed.

    Did anyone see that movie?

  117. [117] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Alright, I won't hold you in suspense any longer.

    Are there any Rolling Stones fans here? Well, I wouldn't call myself a 'fan' but, I don't dislike their music. And, I'm lovin' it more with each passing day!

    You may have heard about their phenomenal exhibition that has been touring world capitals and important cities - New York, Tokyo, London, Amsterdam, etc. It's a retrospective on 50+ years of the greatest rock 'n roll band in the history of the world, an interactive museum exhibit, including a replica of their "Chelsea flat ‘Edith Grove’, and culminates in a mind-blowing backstage and 3D concert experience."

    We were all wondering what Canadian city would host this roving extravaganza - Vancouver? Montreal? Toronto? Saskatoon? Or, the obvious, Winnipeg? This exhibition would make one stop, one stop only in Canada and stay for about three months to give everyone a chance to come and see it.

    Well, the big announcement was made earlier this week and, the winning city is ... my hometown and where I have always lived and still do to this day and I ain't movin' now!!!

    Kitchener-Waterloo, sunny southern Ontario, will be hosting the Rolling Stones' Unzipped exhibition, beginning November 02, 2021, at TheMuseum in downtown Kitchener, formerly Berlin and the home of the biggest Oktoberfest in North America. And, now we've got the Stones!!!

    This is the Canadian debut and only stop in Canada for 'Unzipped' and is the result of what passion and persistence can accomplish, which is what the CEO of TheMuseum, David Marskell, has put into his effort to bring this Stones retrospective to our fair city, to the exclusion of all other cities in Canada.

    Now, I imagine that if TheMuseum and my city and local 70s/80s/90s radio station (KFUN 99.5 FM) and mayor and health department play this fantastic opportunity right, we may even expect a visit from the Stones, themselves!!! I'll be sure to keep y'all posted on that particular phenomenal news!

    You can't always get what you want. But, if you try sometimes you just might find that you get what you need. (insert YouTube video here, ahem)

    Indeed! :)

    Here is THE link for UNZIPPED, if you're interested in making plans to see it!

    http://www.unzippedkw.ca

  118. [118] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Good night and stay safe, everyone!

  119. [119] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    K, Elizabeth...you and yours stay safe and love life every centimeter of the journey. Glad to (sort of) know ya.

    For the record Led Zeppelin is the greatest Rock 'n' Roll band in human history, but whatever. Or 'tever as the youth of America would say...

  120. [120] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Southern Ontario is about as good as it gets

  121. [121] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Iean, besides Southern California

  122. [122] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    And, French Polynesia.

  123. [123] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    K, Im'a hafta try French Polynesia for myself to be sure of it.

    G'Nite Miss Canada. Our planet would be in worse condition without "Canadia" fer sure, eh?

  124. [124] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Totally respectfully.

    Cept' for the go Red Wings thang, of course!

  125. [125] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    JFC,

    Yes, you.

  126. [126] 
    Kick wrote:

    Don Harris
    53

    Kick does the same thing.

    Two things:

    * Get over yourself.
    * Get over me.
    * Take my name out your mouth.

    Okay... three things.

  127. [127] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Okay... three things.

    nobody expects the spanish inquisition!

    NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

  128. [128] 
    Kick wrote:

    Don Harris
    60

    Just because "commenters" HERE are not convinced does not mean anything beyond here.

    Here, allow me to demonstrate your ignorance (again). One of the commenters here that isn't convinced is the author you're trolling, and if it didn't mean anything beyond here, you'd have no damn reason to still be here performing your "shill for me" routine.

  129. [129] 
    Kick wrote:

    John From Censornati
    62

    Demented J Drumpf has the Nobody Likes Me blues, so here’s my musical selection in his dishonor.

    Perfect. Kicked him square in the nuts, JFC. #WeWillVote

  130. [130] 
    Kick wrote:

    MtnCaddy
    83

    Once Joe whups Donnie's kiester I'll be in Rapture, most likely Dancing in the street, a-blasting Atomic Dog.

    If anybody asks why I'll tell them, "I just want to celebrate!"

    Okay, you do realize EM is trying to post one link, and you just posted four... four good ones too. So you're going to have to teach EM that whatchamacallit trick.

  131. [131] 
    Kick wrote:

    Elizabeth Miller
    104

    Who are you, and what have you done with Miss Elizabeth?

  132. [132] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [128]

    I tried, Kick, but EM whined,

    That's too complicated

    To which I'll repeat my reply here, in hopes she sees it,


    Girlfriend it's right there at the end of CW's "Commenting Tips" page.

    C'mon, Canada, this ain't rocket science. Ya gotta do it effing exactly as directed. It took me a little bit of practice in order to get fluent at it, but my [83] took me less than four minutes to whip out one comment with four songs, each identified by it's title.

    Try it, you'll like it!

    To which EM replied,

    Alright, already!

    This reminds me of the time I took a prostitute with me to the Smithsonian. When she refused to go in I was reminded that,


    You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think!

    I'll be here all week, folks!

  133. [133] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    Kick & LizM,

    I love that that song is called Orange Driver, but I don't know why. Does anybody have a theory? A screwdriver is orange juice and vodka.

  134. [134] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    MtnCaddy,

    Do you think I am an idiot?

  135. [135] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    JFC,

    A screwdriver is orange juice and vodka.

    Heh. Well, there ya go, then! Fits him to a 'T', don'tcha think?

  136. [136] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I haven't really changed, Kick.

    Oh, that reminds of a favourite Prism tune ... for next Sunday. :)

  137. [137] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    It seems to me as if he was saying you were unmotivated rather than idiotic. [98] was the first time I realized that < ref allows for more than one link per comment.

  138. [138] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Whatever.

    It's too hot.

  139. [139] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    So, I see my awesome news went over like a lead balloon around here. Humph.

  140. [140] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    It sucks to be y'all.

  141. [141] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    I'm a huge Rolling Stones fan, but I'll have to remind you that we aren't allowed to bring our cooties across the border.

  142. [142] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    Speaking of Canada, I recently learned that Toronto is the raccoon capital of the world.

  143. [143] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Hey, JFC, we should plan some sort of shindig around here for when the time actually comes when Trump is gone... set aside one Sunday evening or a month of Sundays ... Heh.

  144. [144] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Speaking of Canada, I recently learned that Toronto is the raccoon capital of the world.

    I wouldn't doubt it. I know Hamilton has many of 'em.

  145. [145] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    But, KW has the Stones!!!

  146. [146] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I'm a huge Rolling Stones fan, but I'll have to remind you that we aren't allowed to bring our cooties across the border.

    I know. I was thinking about that as I typed. You, we may be friends again by November 2021!

  147. [147] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    You know, we may be friends by then, if Biden can get the virus under control, I'll save a place for you!

  148. [148] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Do you have a favourite Stones album, JFC?

  149. [149] 
    Kick wrote:

    nypoet22
    125

    Heh! *grins*

    Now, old lady, you have one last chance. Confess the heinous sin of heresy, reject the works of the ungodly - *two* last chances. And you shall be free - *three* last chances. You have three last chances, the nature of which I have divulged in my previous utterance.

  150. [150] 
    Kick wrote:

    MtnCaddy
    130

    This reminds me of the time I took a prostitute with me to the Smithsonian. When she refused to go in I was reminded that,

    You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think!

    So you're saying you didn't go to the Smithsonian?
    I love the Smithsonian. :)

  151. [151] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    Exile on Main Street is definitely my favorite album. Followed by (in no special order) Let It Bleed, It's Only Rock N Roll, A Bigger Bang, Sticky Fingers and Some Girls.

    Have you heard Plundered My Soul? Such a great song from the Exile sessions and it was locked in the vaults for 40 years.

  152. [152] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Nice! Over the course of the next year or so I'm going to listen to all of their albums and other stuff.

    And, I'm going to start calling myself a Rolling Stones fan, today and here on out!

  153. [153] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I'm even going to buy a t-shirt!!!

  154. [154] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Do you know a good website, other than their own and Wikipedia for all the albums and reviews and history etc.?

  155. [155] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [132]
    [135]

    Naw, of course I don't think you're an idiot, Elizabeth. I'd effing say so if I thought you were. I mean, I'm sooo mean that I helped drive the troll formerly known as Michale away from Weigantia.

    It's just that the answer has been sitting in "Commenting Tips" the whole time Duh-Oh!

    Word to the wise, though: it drove me nuts at first because it has to been done perfectly or paragraphs seem to "disappear" for lack of one bleeping keystroke.

  156. [156] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Oh, hell yeah I'm going to be in Kitchener in 2021! Sure would be cool if the Stones were there, too.

  157. [157] 
    Kick wrote:

    John From Censornati
    131

    I love that that song is called Orange Driver, but I don't know why. Does anybody have a theory? A screwdriver is orange juice and vodka.

    You are on the right track... Orange Driver, a cheap what is referred to as "bum wine":

    Orange Driver Picture

    That song is probably older than you thought:

    Orange Driver 1961

    ________________

    Full discloure: Did I know any of this before doing a quick deep dive on it? Nope! :)

  158. [158] 
    Kick wrote:

    ^^^^^ Full disclosure ^^^^^

    Yes, I cannot spell today.

  159. [159] 
    Kick wrote:

    Elizabeth Miller
    137

    So, I see my awesome news went over like a lead balloon around here. Humph.

    You just reminded us we are walled in, EM. Donald Trump built a wall around America. There aren't many places we can't travel without restrictions. Mexico is one of them, though:

    https://twitter.com/wogoat/status/1291600228974354432

  160. [160] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    I did know that it was an old Detroit blues song, but I love the JGB version. Wolf was really howling.

  161. [161] 
    Kick wrote:

    ^^^^^ EDIT ^^^^^

    There aren't many places we can travel without restrictions. Mexico is one of them, though.

    https://twitter.com/wogoat/status/1291600228974354432

  162. [162] 
    Kick wrote:

    John From Censornati
    139

    I'm a huge Rolling Stones fan, but I'll have to remind you that we aren't allowed to bring our cooties across the border.

    Heh... "cooties" :)

  163. [163] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @caddy,

    michale has never been chased away before, and he hasn't now. i'm sure he has his reasons, but i guarantee it has nothing to do with the words of you or anybody else here.

    JL

  164. [164] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    LizM [152],

    How about this discography?

  165. [165] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    michale has never been chased away before, and he hasn't now. i'm sure he has his reasons, but i guarantee it has nothing to do with the words of you or anybody else here.

    absolutely, positively, unequivocally!

  166. [166] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    JFC,

    How about this discography?

    I was looking at that the other day - pretty freakin' impressive! I've got my work cut out for me.

  167. [167] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:
  168. [168] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    It's not one of their best.

  169. [169] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Okay, I'll keep that in mind. They're really giving it a big promotional push but, that's the way it is, of course.

    I think I'll start at the beginning and work my way through the albums and history etc.

    See you next year! :)

    No, actually I'll be picking your brain on this matter for the duration ...

  170. [170] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Exile on Main Street is definitely my favorite album. Followed by (in no special order) Let It Bleed, It's Only Rock N Roll, A Bigger Bang, Sticky Fingers and Some Girls.

    And, that is where I'll start and end, as far as purchasing CDs are concerned, unless you have more recommendations.

  171. [171] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Speaking of sitting on songs for 40 years, did you know that Neil Young just released Homegrown? It was recorded in 1974/75 and it's a great bunch of songs!

  172. [172] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    [170]

    If you want 60's era Stones, go with the Hot Rocks compilation.

  173. [173] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    [171]

    I do know about Homegrown, but haven't heard anything. I admire his artistic integrity, but he can be very uneven, so I never know what to buy.

  174. [174] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Now, that right there sounds like a plan.

    Compilations aren't necessarily a bad thing. I really love my 'Over 60 Minutes With ... Prism CD so I will definitely check this one out!

  175. [175] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I got Homegrown just recently and quite enjoy it.

  176. [176] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    I'm sure that I've heard Love Is A Rose.

  177. [177] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    You surely did. I know Linda Ronstadt sang it but it's a NY song!

  178. [178] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    And, did NY release it as a single or something way back when?

  179. [179] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    I'm sure I've heard it by both of them.

    BTW - I still have a vinyl copy of Exile. The discs and the cover are in good shape. I even have the postcards. Also have an original Some Girls cover from before they had to change it. And the Sticky Fingers cover with the actual zipper fly!

  180. [180] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Also have an original Some Girls cover from before they had to change it. And the Sticky Fingers cover with the actual zipper fly!

    Wow. Priceless!

    Maybe I'll see them at TheMuseum ...

    Speaking of, did you ever take a listen to Prism's Nickels and Dimes? It's just a very fun song.

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