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Trump's North Korea Bluster Is Not Believable

[ Posted Wednesday, September 20th, 2017 – 16:59 UTC ]

President Donald Trump gave his first speech to the United Nations General Assembly yesterday, which was notable for the amount of bluster it contained. Now, blustering is a time-honored tradition at the U.N., but it is usually reserved for heads of state from countries that are insecure in their standing in the world and led by charismatic totalitarians. Think: Hugo Chávez, or Fidel Castro in his prime. So it was pretty unusual to hear such a speech from an American president, who at one point threatened to obliterate another country from the map. Bluster has long been a cornerstone of Trump's foreign policy (such as it is) -- a deep-seated belief that talking tough with lots of swagger will cause all foreign countries to see the error of their ways and thus do exactly what the United States (or Trump) wishes them to do. It hasn't been working in any noticeable way yet, but that didn't stop Trump from giving it another try yesterday on the world stage.

At the core of Trump's speech was the concept of sovereignty. "America First" for America, in other words, and all other countries first for their people, too. But sovereignty has always meant something different when applied by American politicians to America than when it is applied to the rest of the world (from America's point of view). Sovereignty for us means we get to do anything we want, and -- of course -- the rest of the civilized world should support us in these efforts. Sovereignty for other countries is always conditioned on whether they do things we approve of, or not.

Since this sounds a bit cynical, let's try a quick thought experiment. Did America ask anyone's permission to develop nuclear weapons? Do we now think we have some sort of veto power over other nations developing their own nuclear weapons? Why should our sovereign right to do so be any different from any other country's sovereign right to do so? That is real sovereignty, of the type that America does not want to see in places like Iran or North Korea. To put it another way, if Trump really believes in nationalism worldwide, then why shouldn't Kim Jong Un be strongly for the concept of "North Korea First"?

Trump is left with nothing but bluster on North Korea, because we really have no viable military options short of nuclear annihilation. The tradeoff of such annihilation would be staggering, because it would likely mean turning North Korea into a radioactive wasteland -- but only at the price of accepting the same fate for Seoul, as well as for probably at least one Japanese city (or perhaps Guam). That is an unbelievably high price for both sides to pay -- ours included. But at least it would be a clear-cut outcome. With a massive nuclear exchange at one end of the scale, and doing nothing at the other, there really isn't a whole lot in between that is even imaginable.

North Korea will likely go right ahead with its missile tests and nuclear tests, because there simply isn't a whole lot we can do about it without the risk of triggering a nuclear showdown. Militarily, we could try to bomb the North Korean nuclear facilities, but they're all far underground, so this may work but it also may fail. How sure are we that we know precisely where all the North Korean facilities are, after all? We may bomb their labs and testing facilities out of commission, but what about the bombs they've already produced? Are we sure we know where all of them are being stored? Because if Kim Jong Un has moved them elsewhere, he will be more than tempted to use them after such a massive bombing raid. Such a raid, whether successful or not, would be an act of pre-emptive war on our part. North Korea would claim it is only defending itself from American aggression, which would be true.

As for North Korea's missile tests, there is one military option the United States has, but it isn't a particularly good one. We could try to shoot one of the missiles down. But we'd be using a system that has never faced a real-world test, and one that has a rather sketchy record even in the controlled tests it has undergone during development. What this means is that it might not work. Which should give the generals pause before trying it out. What would it mean, diplomatically, if we attempted to shoot down a North Korean missile test and failed? It would show all our saber-rattling about our anti-missile system was nothing short of bluster, which would be a huge international embarrassment.

Even if it succeeded, shooting down another country's military test missile is an act of war, plain and simple. We would argue that North Korea was actually the aggressor, but they'd be arguing the exact opposite. No matter who wins this battle of words, it might be immaterial because real battles might have already erupted.

Even if you take nukes completely off the table, for whatever reason (our bombing raid succeeds in wiping out North Korea's stockpile, or Kim Jong Un refuses to use them, or whatever), the so-called "limited war" option would be almost as horrific. Anyone who doubts this has obviously not been watching the new Ken Burns PBS series on Vietnam. Limited war is all that was fought for almost the entirety of World War II, and it was no picnic. Vietnam was an absolute meat grinder as well.

The Korean War has never technically ended, so there would be no long period of ramping-up, as there was in Vietnam. It would begin anew with an absolute fury, and both sides would immediately throw all their military might into the battle. Hundreds of thousands would die, most likely within the opening phase of such a resumption of the war. Seoul would get shelled, not by nuclear weapons but with thousands of conventional artillery pieces that are not only already aimed at them but dug in and fortified against counterstrikes. This could happen within mere hours of a provocative act (like America shooting down a North Korean missile test, for instance). And all the bluster in the world wouldn't make one bit of difference, at that point.

There is probably nothing we can do diplomatically to stop North Korea from reaching the end of the nuclear road, where it has both the weapons design and the delivery means to strike American cities. The only option we'll have left is containment, which worked pretty well against countries like the Soviet Union and China. Short of us pre-emptively nuking North Korea, we should start getting used to the idea of Kim Jong Un being a full member of the nuclear club.

Looking at it from his point of view, Kim Jong Un has taken the lesson of the old "Axis Of Evil" American policy. Of the three countries included, one did not have nuclear weapons and was invaded and its leader deposed. One was working towards acquiring nuclear weapons and struck a deal with the world not to do so -- a deal that Trump is now threatening to pull out of, even though Iran has not broken it. A further country outside the Axis Of Evil -- Libya -- actually gave up its nuclear weapons program years ago, and its leader was also deposed and brutally killed, with our help. Given those examples, why would Kim Jong Un even consider bartering away his biggest military accomplishment? Any agreement reached with America obviously wouldn't be worth the paper it was printed on, if we're going to pull out of the Iranian deal. And countries with no nukes are always at danger of being invaded or their leaders overthrown with American help. Once North Korea perfects its I.C.B.M.s, it can bargain as an equal with America -- something those other countries couldn't do. That's the way Kim Jong Un sees things, and that's why nothing we can offer at the diplomatic table is going to change his mind.

All we've really got left is bluster, to put this in plain terms. No diplomatic solution is going to be possible before North Korea reaches the end of their nuclear development program. The military solutions open to us would all -- whether they were successful or not -- likely trigger a resumption of hostilities on the Korean peninsula. Even if this remained a conventional (non-nuclear) war, the price would be unbelievably high for the people of South Korea. So it's not realistic for the rest of the world to believe that America is willing to provoke such a conflict. Donald Trump is correct that if a nuclear war happened in Korea (one, assumably, that began with North Korea dropping the first nuke), America would turn it into a radioactive wasteland. We certainly have that ability, and if Seoul disappeared under a mushroom cloud one day, we would almost certainly use that ability to the fullest.

But threatening to do so absent a first-strike by Kim Jong Un is also pretty unbelievable. We're not going to rain down nuclear fire upon North Korea just because they aren't doing what we want them to do (or, more accurately, are doing things we disapprove of). I doubt that even if Trump gave the order to do so that it would be carried out, because the generals know full well that a pre-emptive nuclear attack by America would be condemned by foe and ally alike for the rest of time.

So Trump can bluster all he likes, but it is ultimately as meaningless as a Fidel Castro speech in the end. Our options are severely limited, none of them are particularly good, and no amount of bluster is going to change those basic facts.

-- Chris Weigant

 

Cross-posted at The Huffington Post

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17 Comments on “Trump's North Korea Bluster Is Not Believable”

  1. [1] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    Didn't Sockpuppet Man send Dennis Rodman to talk to Rocket Man and gift NK with the greatest book ever written? He's already tried that diplomacy stuff.

  2. [2] 
    neilm wrote:

    Just so much nambia-Pambia talk from 45

  3. [3] 
    dsws wrote:

    [50] dsws wrote:
    I'm glad to say it's looking likely that I was wrong. I said, repeatedly, that Republicans were going to repeal Obamacare.

    I spoke too soon. Repeal is moving at (for the Senate) lightning speed as its deadline approaches.

  4. [4] 
    dsws wrote:

    Also, hooray for "Preview Comment".

  5. [5] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Bashi and CW-
    Please see my response to Bashi's comment just posted on "Focus On One Particular Loophole..."

  6. [6] 
    dsws wrote:

    Trump is left with nothing but bluster on North Korea, because we really have no viable military options short of nuclear annihilation.

    Depends what you mean by "viable". We could move a carrier battle group into North Korean territorial waters, and tell them we're going to start launching missiles unless they send a signed note saying that our Outstanding Leader's hands are much bigger their Outstanding Leader's. What are they going to do, invade South Korea? A war would be a disaster for everyone. They're not that stupid, or that nihilistic. But we are.

    We're not going to rain down nuclear fire upon North Korea just because they aren't doing what we want them to do (or, more accurately, are doing things we disapprove of). I doubt that even if Trump gave the order to do so that it would be carried out

    There's a big difference between doubt that the order would be carried out, and certainty that it wouldn't be. Nobody knows what would happen if Stormfront, Vladimir, or Jared told the Cheeto-in-Chief that he was supposed to push the button now.

  7. [7] 
    Balthasar wrote:

    Just so much nambia-Pambia talk from 45

    I caught that. Good one.

  8. [8] 
    Don Harris wrote:

    Ralph Nader has just written another article about the media ignoring people and issues that he wants them to cover. You can find it at CommonDreams.org. (sorry, I don't know how to provide a link to that article here)

    Read it. If you agree with Ralph that the media should provide information on all ideas then you should find my comment on his article and click on the box to sign the petition to get Ralph Nader to address the one demand campaign financing approach and sign the petition whether you support the One Demand approach or not. Signing the petition is to get Ralph Nader to meet the standards he sets for other leaders and media by addressing One Demand and will hopefully get him to provide information on other ideas and efforts such as One Demand.

    As stated in my reply to Bashi's comment from "Focus on One Particular Loophole.." it's time to get off your asses and stop waiting for a knight in shining armor to save you.

    CW= Is the Nader article and his refusal to address One Demand a legitimate issue for an article by you? If not- why not?

    note to Liz- at this point still only six people have signed. But I did get one from the Common Dreams comment section and even got some likes on the comments even if they didn't sign the petition.

    "Baby Steps" (from the movie with Bill Murray and Richard Dreyfus, What about Bob?)

  9. [9] 
    neilm wrote:

    Aside: some of the recent photos of CoS Kelly at 45's speeches - especially the UN "Talk Like A Pirate Day" (I stole that from http://welcomebacktopottersville.blogspot.it/2017/09/slide-kelly-slide.html ), make my prediction that he will last one year look increasingly optimistic.

  10. [10] 
    TheStig wrote:

    This is an extremely well thought out and well written column. I do think it's a bit too narrowly focused on the nuclear scenario, quite likely because CW is writing a column, not a book.

    "Trump is left with nothing but bluster on North Korea, because we really have no viable military options short of nuclear annihilation."

    I think there are viable military options short of nuclear war. The first is to take a leaf from the Cuban Missile Crisis and put a "naval quarantine" around North Korea. That would put a stop to a lot of trade sanction cheating, and N. Korea would feel the burn. There downside risks, but they seem a lot less than those associated with starting off with a nuclear war.

    If the US is simply trying to unilaterally knock out N Korea's nuclear weapons production capability, nukes don't seem to offer any compelling advantages over non-nuclear alternatives. The N Korean's have presumably hardened key production assets underground. The best way to destroy these is with precision, big, deep penetrating bombs. We have such. Putting a nuke warhead in one of these bombs is basically overkill.

    One other point about the risks of the US going for the nuclear option.

    "The tradeoff of such annihilation would be staggering, because it would likely mean turning North Korea into a radioactive wasteland -- but only at the price of accepting the same fate for Seoul, as well as for probably at least one Japanese city (or perhaps Guam)."

    The implication is that the compelling risk to S. Korea and Japan are that N. Korea will hit back with their own nuclear weapons. They might have the technology to give it a try, they might not, and if they did, it might not work. What is certain is that N. Korea can devastate Seoul using conventional artillery. Beyond that, the fallout from a US nuclear strike on N. Korea won't stay in N Korea. Depending on the season, it could irradiate Japan, S. Korea, Russia and China. Not as bad as a direct hit, but bad enough. How might the collateral parties respond? This ought to deter rational Americans from going down the nuclear preemptive trail, although POTUS gives a good impression of being irrational, even if deep down, he's not as crazy as he looks/sounds.

    Are we feeling lucky?

  11. [11] 
    TheStig wrote:

    Kim Jong Un is crazy like a fox and as mean as a wolverine. Trump seems as dumb as post. This is a really bad dynamic.

  12. [12] 
    neilm wrote:

    There is an excellent BBC podcast called "The Inquiry". A recent episode looked into "Can China Solve the North Korea Problem?". Basically, they conclude that if China could bring Un to heel they would. That Un killed their top guy (Un's own Uncle) by anti aircraft gun and then used a flamethrower to ensure not even ashes contaminated NK, severely pissing China off, deliberately. Worth a listen:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csv1bz

  13. [13] 
    TheStig wrote:

    Neil M -

    I've revised my opinion about youth football - evidence is emerging that it increases the risk of serious cognitive deficits in later in life. Not as dramatic a risk as that facing pro and college players, but why expose your child to this risk when there are safer alternatives? Most countries do fine without USA football.

  14. [14] 
    TheStig wrote:

    Neilm-

    excellent link.

  15. [15] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Gotta new favorite word thanks to Kim Jung Un: dotard!

  16. [16] 
    Kick wrote:

    LWYH
    15

    Gotta new favorite word thanks to Kim Jung Un: dotard!

    I know, right?

    Dotard Donald... just rolls off the tongue and fits the doddering old fool like a wee small pair of gloves fits his tiny little hands. :)

  17. [17] 
    Kick wrote:

    I read that "dotard" was translated from the original statement in Korean that used a term better translated as "old beast lunatic." That fits nicely too. :)

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