The House January 6th Select Committee Hearings [Episode 7]

[ Posted Tuesday, July 12th, 2022 – 17:47 UTC ]

After an extended break (which was interrupted by the unplanned sixth of these live hearings), the House Select Committee to Investigate January 6th reconvened today for the seventh such hearing. Today's hearing centered around the violent rightwing militia groups that attacked the United States Capitol, and how they were encouraged to do so by Donald Trump.

At the end of the hearing, Vice Chair Liz Cheney previewed what will be the next hearing (which she promised would happen "next week"), when the committee will walk through Trump's actions on January 6th itself.

There were really four star witnesses today, two of whom appeared live, one of whom appeared on video, and one who remained anonymous, with his voice scrambled electronically -- for his own safety, just like someone testifying at a mob trial.

The first segment of the hearing had no live witnesses, instead it heavily featured the very recent testimony given by Pat Cipollone, a White House lawyer for Trump. In earlier hearings, Cheney had publicly pleaded with Cipollone to appear before the committee, so the fact that he was convinced and did appear is a big accomplishment for Cheney, the committee, and the American people as a whole.

The other star of the hearing didn't appear as frequently, but told a fascinating story nonetheless. An anonymous ex-employee of Twitter testified how he had tried to get the company to realize the danger of the situation developing around January 6th, apparently to no avail. Twitter, along with Donald Trump, knew what could happen and they allowed it to go forward without lifting a finger.

The second segment of today's hearing eventually did swear in two witnesses: Jason Van Tatenhove, the former media director of the Oath Keepers militia, and Stephen Ayres, a Trump supporter who entered the Capitol with the mob on January 6th. Their testimony spoke directly to what Trump supporters were thinking when he would tweet directions to them -- both to gather in Washington on January 6th and also (eventually) to go home and leave the Capitol.

Today's hearing was one of the longest yet, clocking in at almost three hours. So I'm going to try to get through everything, but in rather abbreviated fashion.


Public Hearings of the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol [Episode 7]

Committee Chair Bennie Thompson began by introducing today's main presenters and questioners, Representatives Jamie Raskin and Stephanie Murphy. After a quick opening statement from Thompson and Cheney (who was trying not to spike the football too much about the fact that Pat Cipollone had been convinced to testify), the main presentation began.

The first subject was the "unhinged, not normal, and the craziest meeting of the Trump presidency" that took place at the White House on December 18th, where Michael Flynn, Sidney Powell, and the guy from all somehow weaseled their way into the White House and got to meet personally with Donald Trump (which actually kind of surprised them). This meeting lasted an astonishing six hours, moving from the Oval Office to the president's residence at some point. The "crazies" were pushing Trump to order the federal government to seize voting machines, based on several crackpot conspiracy theories (but zero evidence). This was all only briefly touched upon, here at the start.

We then got a number of people either stating publicly (at the time) or telling Trump that he had indeed lost the election and that it was time to concede. Pat Cipollone made his first appearance (on video) saying that Trump should have conceded. Others were shown as well: Mitch McConnell speaking on the Senate floor ("The Electoral College has spoken. So today I want to congratulate President-Elect Biden."), Bill Barr, and even Ivanka Trump.

Returning to the 12/18 meeting, we learned that Trump had drafted an executive order which would have stated: "effective immediately, the Secretary of Defense shall seize, collect, retain, and analyze all [voting] machines." This would have been a de facto military coup. Sidney Powell was supposed to be named "special counsel" and would have been in charge of all this, but (luckily) she didn't have a security clearance. Trump tried to just wave a magic wand and appoint her, but this never actually happened (there was no follow-up by anyone, in other words). Here's how Cipollone reported responding to all of this:

I was vehemently opposed. I didn't think she should be appointed anything.... To have the federal government seize voting machines? It's a terrible idea for the country. That's not how we do things in the United States. There's no legal authority to do that. I don't understand why we have to tell you why that's a bad idea. It's a terrible idea.

Please remember, "White House Counsel" means a lawyer whose client is the American people, not the sitting president. Cipollone obviously took this (and his oath to the Constitution) seriously.

The group kept trying to convince the White House people present (other than Trump, who needed no convincing) that there had been massive election fraud -- but they couldn't produce any evidence whatsoever of this massive fraud, other than "a handful of dead people from several states." Cassidy Hutchinson was shown in video summing it all up: the goal was "to keep Trump in office," using any "constitutional loopholes" they could find, since they had no actual evidence.

This meeting was pretty obviously a wild one. There were people screaming at each other, calling each other schoolyard names, and even "challenges to physically fight" and "threats of violence." Former White House staff secretary Derek Lyons characterized it: "At times, there were people shouting at each other, hurling insults at each other -- it wasn't just sort of people sitting around on a couch like chit-chatting."

The meeting began without anyone in the West Wing really being aware of it happening. But after a short time, Pat Cipollone "set a landspeed record" getting there, to rein in the craziness. Cipollone testified: "I was not happy to see the people in the Oval Office." Trump, however, was "very interested" in hearing the crazy ideas and conspiracy theories and proposals. Crazy conspiracies like Venezuela meddling (somehow) in the election, and of "Nest thermostats being hooked up to the internet" being used to somehow change votes.

Cipollone kept insisting on seeing some evidence, but the group had no interest in backing anything they said up (since they couldn't, obviously).

In their own interviews with the committee, Giuliani and Powell both prove how seriously deranged they truly were (and still are). Powell admitted she thought that Trump should have fired everyone in the room who was disagreeing with him, for "showing disrespect." Giuliani pushed back against the sane lawyers in his own special way:

I would categorically describe it as: "You guys are not tough enough." Or maybe I put it another way: "You're a bunch of pussies." Excuse the expression, but... I'm almost certain the word was used.

Rudy eventually had to be escorted out of the building, later that night, "to make sure he didn't wander back."

This unhinged and freewheeling meeting had the effect of making Trump angry, and an hour after it broke up (after midnight), Trump tweeted out to his millions of followers: "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"

We then got a taste of how this tweet was received, among his most fervent followers. Alex Jones and other media influencers took it as a clear call to arms. This included direct calls to do what happened that day: "We're going to only be saved by millions of Americans moving to Washington, occupying the entire area, if necessary, storming right into the Capitol. If you have enough people, you can push down any kind of a fence or a wall." One YouTube personality predicted: "Red wave, bitch. There's going to be a Red Wedding going down January 6th. There going to be a million-plus geeked-up, armed Americans." [The "Red Wedding" remark refers, of course, to a brutal slaughter which took place at a wedding in the popular television show Game Of Thrones.]

We then heard from the ex-Twitter employee, who first began getting alarmed after Trump, in a presidential debate, called upon the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by," rather than "stand down." As the anonymous former employee put it: "My concern was that the former president, for seemingly the first time, was speaking directly to extremist organizations and giving them directives. We had not seen that sort of direct communication before, and that concerned me." He also admitted that if Trump had been anyone else, he would have been "permanently suspended a long time ago," instead of being allowed to keep tweeting up until January 8th. Other things revealed: "It felt as if a mob was being organized, and they were gathering together their weaponry.... the leader of their cause was asking them to join him in this cause and in fighting for this cause in D.C. on January 6th as well." One response to Trump's tweet from one of his followers read: "I'm locked and loaded and ready for Civil War Two."

Other homicidal messages on social media were then displayed, including one that called for killing the "very last Democrat." Messages were exchanged suggesting things to bring, like zip-tie handcuffs and body armor. Trump's fan base was whipped into a frenzy by his "Be there, will be wild!" tweet -- just as he had intended.

The committee then took a break, from 2:18 to 2:33 P.M. (Eastern time).

The second half of the hearing shifted the focus to the radical extremist groups that heeded Trump's call. As one witness put it, "nonaligned groups were aligning... armed militias were collaborating with white supremacist groups." This included the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and the Three Percenters, as well as others. This alliance set up an encrypted chat room called "the Ministry of Self-Defense," and they set about plotting and preparing for January 6th. Another group called itself the "F.O.S." or "Friends Of [Roger] Stone," who together with Michael Flynn, were in close contact with these groups. In other words, the groups had access to people who had direct access to Trump.

Trump knew ahead of time that he was going to call on all these armed groups to march on the Capitol. Various people were talking about it in the days before January 6th, saying things like "POTUS is just going to call for [a march to the Capitol] unexpectedly" (which is exactly what did happen). Or: "Ellipse then U.S. Capitol. Trump is supposed to order us to the Capitol." They knew, ahead of time, what Trump planned on doing. This shows the communication flowed both directions, from these groups to the Oval Office and from Trump back down to them, as marching orders. Steve Bannon could barely contain himself, in an address to the Trump followers, on January 5th: "All hell is going to break loose tomorrow. It's not going to happen the way you think it's going to happen. It's going to be quite extraordinarily different."

The night before January 6th, Trump held a meeting in the Oval Office and demanded that one of the outside doors be opened, so he could hear the sounds of a rally being held on Freedom Plaza (a few blocks away). Sarah Matthews summed up Trump's attitude as: "He was in a very good mood. He had not been in a good mood for weeks.... It seemed he was in a fantastic mood that evening." One White House photographer testified that Trump was planning his route out to the Capitol the night before the rally.

We then got some prime craziness from the January 5th evening rally from video taken of the event, with Roger Stone and Michael Flynn saying all sorts of apocalyptic things. We also got Alex Jones leading the crowd in a chant: "1776!... 1776! ... 1776!" Trump later tweeted out: "We hear you (and love you) from the Oval Office."

The anonymized former Twitter employee was heard from next, lamenting the inaction at the company. "When people are shooting each other tomorrow, I will try and rest in the knowledge that we tried," he sent to another person at Twitter who was just as concerned as he was. He also predicted: "If we made no intervention into what I saw occurring, people were going to die.... We were at the whims and mercy of a violent crowd that was locked and loaded."

This part of the hearing ended by revealing how Trump kept pushing to include lines in the speech he would give -- even on the morning of January 6th, right before he delivered the speech to his rally -- which called out Mike Pence and told the crowd to go to the Capitol. Many people pushed back on the inclusion of these lines, but they made it into the final speech. In the prepared speech, Trump would have said these lines once each, but when he spoke it was (as usual) full of ad-libbing, and he actually excoriated Pence eight times and called on the crowd to go to the Capitol four times. Several of these were played on video, including Trump saying: "You'll never take back our country with weakness," and: "We fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you won't have a country." He then invited everyone to "walk down Pennsylvania Avenue" with him to the Capitol.

Former Trump campaign manager Brad Pascale shared his concerns about the speech with former campaign advisor Katrina Pierson: "This is about Trump pushing for uncertainty in our country, a sitting president asking for civil war." Pascale expressed his regret and guilt, and Pierson attempted to make him feel better. He messaged her back: "Yeah, but a woman is dead," he replied. "And yeah, if I was Trump, and I knew my rhetoric killed someone...."

At this point, a good 40 minutes in to the second part of the hearing, the two in-person witnesses were sworn in. The first was Jason Van Tatenhove, who previously was the media director for the Oath Keepers, and the second was Stephen Ayres, an unaffiliated Trump supporter who is awaiting sentencing after pleading guilty to entering the Capitol on January 6th.

Tatenhove has broken from the Oath Keepers group, and he testified that they were a "dangerous militia" who recruited "white nationalists" and "straight-up racists." The leader of the group "had these visions of being a paramilitary leader and the Insurrection Act would have given him a path forward with that." They fully expected Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act, which they saw as somehow being deputized into being a sort of palace guard for Trump himself. Their vision for America "doesn't necessarily include the rule of law. It includes violence.... trying to get their way through lies and deceit."

Tatenhove has changed his views, obviously, and he was pretty adamant about sounding the alarm: "We need to quit mincing words and just talk about truths, and what it was going to be was an armed revolution.... There was a gallows set up in front of the Capitol.... it could have been the spark that set off a civil war." He later said: "All I can do is thank the gods that things did not go any worse that day."

Even when he was with the group, there were limits to how far Tatenhove would go, according to him. He was directed to make a "deck of playing cards" of perceived enemies much like the one used in Iraq, composed of American politicians and judges and others who were to be "taken out." Hillary Clinton, Tatenhove said, was going to be the Queen of Hearts. But he refused to do the graphic artwork for the project. He also described how the militia had training courses on how to use explosives, among other things: "There was always a push for military training."

Tatenhove truly fears for what the next election cycle will bring, warning: "We've been lucky," so far. "I think we've gotten extremely lucky that more bloodshed hasn't happened." He now fears another president whipping up a civil war using "lies and deceit and snake oil," because "all bets are off at that point."

He ended with a plea: "I have three daughters. I have a granddaughter, and I fear for the world that they will inherit if we do not start holding these people to account."

Stephen Ayres was presented as a kind of "everyman insurrectionist" -- just a normal "family man, a working man" in his own words. He explained how he got sucked into all the conspiracy theories and Trump's Big Lie: "I was pretty hard-core into the social media." So he decided to join a few friends who were planning on going to D.C. for the January 6th rally.

When questioned, he admitted that he "was very upset" because he believed Trump when he said the election had been stolen. He no longer believes this (or "not so much"), because he did his own research and came to the conclusion: "It's too big, there's no way you could keep something like that quiet." When Liz Cheney asked him whether it would have made a difference if he had known that Trump had no evidence, he admitted he probably wouldn't have made the trip if he had known that: "Who knows? I may not have come down here then."

On January 6th, he attended Trump's rally. "We didn't actually plan to go down" to the Capitol, but "basically the president got everybody riled up and told everybody to head on down -- we basically were just following what he said." He fully expected Trump to march with them or appear at the Capitol -- again, because that is exactly what Trump promised from the stage.

The most interesting thing Ayres had to say -- something which will undoubtedly come back up in the upcoming hearing into Trump's actions that day -- was how Ayres described the crowd inside the Capitol finally receiving Trump's tweet calling them to go home: "As soon as that came out, everybody started talking about it. Basically, when President Trump put his tweet out, we literally left right after that. If he would have done that earlier in the day... maybe we wouldn't be in this bad of a situation." He said much of the rest of the crowd immediately left as well, after reading Trump's tweet. This proves more than anything else in these hearings the power of what Trump could have done at any earlier time during that day.

Ayres ended by telling the committee what has happened to him since: "I lost my job... I sold my house... [it] changed my life, not for the good, definitely not for the better." He expressed anger that Trump is still promoting his Big Lie. He ended by being asked what lessons he had learned: "I love my family. I love my country.... I don't think any one man is bigger than any one of those." He also called upon other Trump supporters to "take the blinders off, step back and see what's going on, before it's too late."



There were a number of things worth noting from the closing statements. Jamie Raskin could barely contain his anger at Trump, stating that Trump had ushered in the phrase he infamously used in his Inaugural Address: "American carnage." Raskin pointed out:

That's Donald Trump's true legacy. His desire to overthrow the people's election and seize the presidency interrupted the counting of Electoral College votes for the first time in American history, nearly toppled the constitutional order and brutalized hundreds and hundreds of people.... The Watergate break-in was like a Cub Scout meeting compared to this assault on our people and our institutions.

Stephanie Murphy's closing statement was also powerful, in a different way. She pointed out that she was not born in America, she was born in Vietnam and her family fled the country as refugees during the Vietnam War. She has personal experience, she said, fleeing a country where people grab power using violence, and then she wound up fleeing her fellow citizens when they attacked the United States Capitol. "I love this country" she poignantly said, saying she wanted to preserve "what actually makes America great."

Liz Cheney had the big surprise, at the end. But first, a word about her opening statement. In it, she used a legal term that could come up if Donald Trump is ever tried for any of his crimes against the country:

The strategy is to blame people his advisers called "the crazies" for what Donald Trump did. President Trump is a 76-year-old man. He is not an impressionable child. Just like everyone else in our country, he is responsible for his own actions and his own choices.... No rational or sane man in his position could disregard that information and reach the opposite conclusion. And Donald Trump cannot escape responsibility by being willfully blind, nor can any argument of any kind excuse President Trump's behavior during the violent attack on January 6th.

Legally, being proven "willfully blind" -- refusing to believe the truth -- is the same thing as knowing something is true.

In her closing statement, Cheney (as she has been doing) previewed the next hearing, which she said will take place "next week." This hearing will examine pretty much on a minute-by-minute basis exactly what Donald Trump did and did not do on January 6th. Which will be the final piece of the puzzle (she didn't come out and say it, but this sounds like the last hearing that will be centered on presenting new evidence).

Cheney's bombshell, at the very end, was in keeping with everything everyone knows about Trump and his mobster tactics -- Cheney stated that a witness who has not testified in any of these hearings yet just got a phone call from Trump within the last week. The witness refused the call and called their lawyer instead. Cheney ominously warned that she had referred the matter to the Department of Justice, since witness-tampering is a federal crime.

Just when you thought Trump's thuggishness couldn't get any lower, it always seems to. That was an entirely fitting end for today's hearing.

-- Chris Weigant


Follow Chris on Twitter: @ChrisWeigant


66 Comments on “The House January 6th Select Committee Hearings [Episode 7]”

  1. [1] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    I actually got a chance to see the hearing. Fascinating stuff.

  2. [2] 
    Michale wrote:

    Jean Luc,

    Of course it's fascinating stuff.. The action pack fiction blockbuster is being produced by a Hollywood producer..

    It's as exciting as a Cardassian Show Trial because that is all it is..

    Just an action pack fiction story....

    And in the end??

    It will have the same exact result as the Russia Collusion Delusion had...

    Accomplishes NOTHING beyond proving beyond ANY doubt that President Trump can beat Democrats over and over and over and over again...


  3. [3] 
    Michale wrote:


    Things are really quiet around here...

    I guess that all the facts I am puttin' out are intimidating people... :D

    Aren't ya'all glad ya'all have me around so you actually KNOW the facts??

    And not just the Democrat Party BS...

    In the olden days, CW would actually put out the facts and haul Democrats onto the carpet when they screwed up...

    These days there is NONE of that....

    So now, I am more needed here in Weigantia than ever before... :D

    Don't worry... I won't let ya'all down.. :D

  4. [4] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, speaking of the racist stereotype by Biden's Handlers' wife...

    hehehehe Now THAT's funny...

  5. [5] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, let's check in on what's going to happen in 117 days... :D

    Doomsday midterm election scenario takes shape for Democrats

    The midterm election doomsday scenario for Democrats is becoming clearer, scarier, and more real as inflation and gas prices remain stubbornly high and dissatisfaction with President Biden is through the roof.

    Democrats are seeing their chances of retaining the House slimmer than ever, with both history and the dreary political environment working against them. In the Senate, where the party had hoped strong swing state candidates could help save the majority, fears are also growing.

    It seems that wherever voters look, things are bad in Biden’s Washington — and getting worse.

    “Democrats haven’t done things they promised,” said Connor Farrell, a strategist who founded the progressive consultancy Left Rising. “In this environment, the best general election candidates will be bold [ones] that can distinguish themselves from what we’re getting from the White House.”

    Wow... Things are getting worser and worser and worser for Democrats... :D

    Not only is the House definitely going to go to the GOP (every Weigantian concedes this as fact) it looks like the Senate is going to go to the GOP as well! :D

    Yer gonna look SOOOO good in that T-Shirt, eh Jean Luc??? :D

    Just keep in mind, I am counting on you to keep track of all this.. At my age.... Well.. Yunno.. :D

  6. [6] 
    Michale wrote:

    The high national anxiety — which many lawmakers, operatives, and activists are now openly acknowledging as problematic — was further laid bare when a poll released by the New York Times found that just 13 percent of voters surveyed think the country is on the right path. More strikingly, 64 percent of Democratic voters want someone other than Biden as their nominee in 2024.

    Oh SNAP!!!!! That's just GOTTA hurt, eh!??

    87% of Americans think this country is heading down the tubes... And a MAJORITY of Democrats don't want Biden's Handlers in the next POTUS election!!

    Hell, Biden's Handlers is making President Trump look AWESOME!!!!

    That's just GOTTA sting!! :D

  7. [7] 
    Michale wrote:

    While the idea that Democrats need to brace for a potential fall wipeout is not new, Monday’s poll highlights a trend that many see as particularly damning — a majority of registered Democratic voters are not happy with the overall direction of the U.S. under Biden’s leadership and they are not on board with another four years of it.

    Sixty-three percent of Democrats polled said the country is headed in the wrong direction, while only 27 percent said it is on the right track.

    “They’re not just losing Independents or you know, Never-Trump Republicans,” said Reinish, referencing two blocs that helped Biden establish a diverse coalition in 2020. “They’re losing their own voters. Democrats’ own voters don’t feel as if their leaders hear their concerns.”

    That's a very important point here.. Democrats are not even losing Independents and NPAs..

    Democrats are losing DEMOCRATS!!!

    And Democrats will CONTINUE to lose Democrats right up until election day when they are dragged out of their offices by angry voters...

    And MANY of those angry voters will be Democrats! :D

    Biden's Handlers have indeed united the country.. He has united the country AGAINST him and the Democrat Party..

    How sweet that is... :D

  8. [8] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, the Consumer Price Index comes out today...

    Biden's Handlers are already trying to spin it away because they think it's going to be very damning..

    Of course, I will bring you the facts of the CPI as soon as they are available...

    Aren't ya'all glad you have me here to actually bring you facts about how bad Democrats are doing???

    Why, without me, you would be completely ignorant of how bad things are for Democrats.. :D

    Stay tuned... :D

  9. [9] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK So, let's talk about Darth Cheney's daughter, Liz...

    Liz Cheney still has some sense of reality despite the fact that the Democratic/Corporate media and Democrats in general, who for years mercilessly attacked and denigrated her father and family, now treat her like a hero.

    The Never Trump defector has been posing as the ranking member of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's Cardassian show trial of Donald Trump, which is being conducted under the pretense of looking into the 6 Jan riot.

    Cheney is aware, however, that as the lead of the Democratic party's prime-time fiction television program, Republican supporters have a universal hatred of her.

    This is especially true in Wyoming, her family's home state, where Trump's popularity and conservatives' enmity toward those who appear to think demonizing GOP voters is a workable political strategy, have all but guaranteed her defeat in the forthcoming August primary.

    Liz Cheney will be fired.. Pure and simple..

    Her Trump/America hate and her PTDS have consumed her...

    And, in the end, she will be left with nothing...

    She might as well run as a Democrat for all the good it will do her..

  10. [10] 
    Michale wrote:

    Harriet Hageman, Cheney's primary opponent, is currently leading by as much as 30 points in the polls, and Cheney is aware that she will need a miracle to keep the congressional seat she was first slid into in 2016 solely and completely on the strength of her well-known family name.

    She has therefore taken the ahem... "sensible" course of action to protect her political reputation and is urging members of the party that she essentially joined last year to continue her vendetta against Trump.

    Her campaign, which has a sizable war fund (mainly contributed by Democrats and former Republicans), is mostly focused on persuading Wyoming Democrats to switch their registration and support her in the August primary.

    The fact that Cheney is, hat in hand, running to DEMOCRATS to help her is hilarious and shows her complete lack of character...

    Cheney is a Democrat through and through.. Her lack of character and her hatred of America allow her to fit right in with Democrats...

  11. [11] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, now let's here from another Democrat Water Carrier, SLATE... :D

    The Two Weeks Late Presidency

    It’s a pattern.

    Two weeks after the Supreme Court eliminated the constitutional right to an abortion, three months after a draft of that opinion leaked to the press, and nearly two years after a Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s death made the elimination of that right more likely than not, President Joe Biden entered the chat.

    Describing the Dobbs decision as “an exercise in raw political power” from an “out of control” court, Biden on Friday signed an executive order that would safeguard certain reproductive health services, protect patients’ private medical records, form an interagency reproductive health care task force, and more. The administration is said to be considering declaring lack of abortion access a public health emergency, too, in a mostly symbolic move.

    It was Biden’s first appearance since the Dobbs decision where he showed some of the fire that a change of this magnitude merited.

    But that it took him weeks to at least begin with the rhetorical pushback and policy tinkering—weeks to assert himself in the fray following an abrupt yet widely signaled, massive policy change—baffled both Democratic lawmakers and voters alike. What was he doing? And what, really, does he want to do?

    It looks like EVERY Democrat Water Carrier is turning against Biden's Handlers... :D

    Yea... Democrats are gonna do FINE in November, eh?? :D

  12. [12] 
    Michale wrote:

    Fauci admits that COVID-19 vaccines do not protect 'overly well' against infection

    Dr. Anthony Fauci discusses vaccines' effectiveness on 'Your World'

    Democrats were lying to the American people the WHOLE TIME..

    I bet ya'all feel like fools touting their bullshit line, eh?? :^/

  13. [13] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Please tell my that you are not as delusional as you sound, regardless of the issue you are, ah, discussing ... :0

  14. [14] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    [13] was a plea directed at Michale, to be clear. :)

  15. [15] 
    Michale wrote:

    Which facts are you questioning Liz???

    ALL of them???

    Questioning all of the facts presented sounds kinda.. well.. delusional, eh?? :D

  16. [16] 
    Michale wrote:

    Maybe you are questioning the FACT of Jill Biden's racist stereotyping...

    Is that the fact you are questioning??

    Or the FACT that the majority of Democrats don't want Biden running in 2024?? That fact??

    Or maybe the FACT that over 85% of Americans think this country is heading in the wrong direction..

    Is THAT the fact you don't believe???

    Which??? You gots to be specific.. :D

  17. [17] 
    Michale wrote:

    Inflation likely hit fever pitch in June with consumer prices surging again

    Economists expect that inflation hit a fresh 40-year high in June

    CPI is projected to be at 8.8%.. That's the highest in over FORTY YEARS!!

    Let's face the facts hear... You don't LIKE the facts.. You're not questioning the facts..

    You simply don't like what the facts are saying..

    That Democrats simply can't govern...

  18. [18] 
    Michale wrote:

    Do you approve or disapprove of the way Joe Biden is handling his job as president?

    29% of Americans approve of Biden's Handlers' performance as POTUS....

    No wonder Democrats are desperate.... :D

  19. [19] 
    Michale wrote:

    Biden tries to scare Americans over court's abortion ruling. Truth is more complicated.

    That's all Democrats have...

    Baseless, factless hysterical fear mongering...

    That's the only play Democrats have... :eyeroll:

  20. [20] 
    Michale wrote:

    Trump Still Dominates TV News, Media Moves On From Biden

    President Trump is still King Of The Airwaves... :D

    Biden's handlers simply cannot compete... :D

  21. [21] 
    Michale wrote:

    In sum, Trump still dominates media attention a year and a half after leaving the presidency, rival candidates in both parties are failing to attract media attention, and even CNN and MSNBC are rapidly moving on from Biden.

    The continued PTDS is still strong... :D

  22. [22] 
    Michale wrote:

    Editorial: Jill Biden joins Joe on the gaffe track

    So much for the claim that there was nothing untoward when Biden's Handlers' wife referred to hispanic Americans as 'tacos'....

    I mean, what kind of MORON wouldn't see the blatant racist stereotype in calling hispanic Americans 'tacos'...???

    Apparently, someone who is a member of the Party KNOWN for it's creation of the KKK and Jim Crow...


  23. [23] 
    Michale wrote:

    Remember that 10-yr old rape case that Weigantians got all hot and bothered about in the last FTP???

    Ohio Attorney General Throws Cold Water on '10-Year-Old Rape Victim' Story: 'There Is No Case'

    Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost went on Primetime with Jesse Watters on Fox News on Monday and dropped some serious truth bombs on the viral but sketchy story of a 10-year-old pregnant rape victim that abortionist Dr. Caitlin Bernard claimed traveled to Indiana for an abortion because of Ohio’s restrictive abortion law.

    We’ve poured a lot of cold water on her unbelievable and unverifiable claims over the last week, and now Yost has weighed in with more shocking details. “We have regular contact with prosecutors and local police and sheriffs and not a whisper anywhere,” said Yost.

    “Something maybe even more telling,” he continued, “is that my office runs the state crime lab. Any case like this you’re going to have a rape kit, you’re going to have biological evidence, and you would be looking for DNA analysis.” Yost then dropped a huge bomb: “There is no case request for analysis that looks anything like this.”

    Watters pointed out the obvious: that the pregnancy of a 10-year-old would most likely be incest and finding DNA evidence wouldn’t be hard. “If it’s a family member it’s even an easier way to find the DNA right there! You call the father, the uncle, the grandfather, anything and get the guy’s DNA and you lock him up.”

    Watters also pointed out that it’s a crime to hide child rape. “They [doctors] have to report that to law enforcement and if they don’t, that abortion doctor or any doctor should be prosecuted in your state.”

    Yost agreed. “We don’t know who the originating doctor in Ohio was, if they even exist. The bottom line is it’s a crime if you are a mandated reporter if you fail to report.” Yost then went on to explain that the rape of a child in Ohio is such a serious offense that it isn’t credible that there’s no statewide manhunt. “In Ohio, the rape of a 10-year-old is life in prison. I know the prosecutors and cops in this state. There’s not one of them that wouldn’t be turning over every rock in their jurisdiction if they had the slightest hint that this had occurred there.”

    Yost also agreed with my assessment of the Ohio law, which is a heartbeat bill and not based on a specific age of the unborn child, unlike Dr. Bernard falsely claimed. It also contains exceptions for serious situations like this. “Ohio has a medical emergency section, broader than just the life of the mother. This young girl, if she exists and if this horrible thing actually happened to her… she did not have to leave Ohio to find treatment.”

    So, where's the case, Democrats??? Where is the prosecution of this heinous scumbag who did this???

    Why haven't Democrats pursued this rape case???

    They sure are pursuing the baby-killing aspect of this 10-yr old's plight...

    Why aren't they pursuing the scumbag who did this to the poor 10-yr old??

    The answer is easy..

    Either this 10-yr old DOES exist and there WAS a rape but, for Democrats, there is no political gain in pursuing the rape case.. So Democrats are just going to ignore that aspect...


    Or, this 10-yr old rape victim simply does not exist and Democrats simply made her up to push their hysterical baby-killing agenda...

    So, which is it???

    Imagine how desperate Democrats must be to INVENT a 10-yr old rape victim...

    More facts to show how utterly disgusting the Democrats are...

  24. [24] 
    Michale wrote:

    I mean, com'on.. This wouldn't be the FIRST time Democrats (AND Weigantians) had been taken in by complete and utter bullshit made up by Democrats and Democrat operatives..

    Remember the Hutch "bombshell" that turned into a complete and utter load of BS??

    I mean, how sick and disgusting do Democrats have to be to MAKE UP a 10-yr old rape victim who got pregnant???

    That's really REALLY low... Even for Democrats...

  25. [25] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, let's do a little research, eh??

    Let's first turn to a "reliable" source that Weigantian Moderator ALWAYS turns to...

    A one-source story about a 10-year-old and an abortion goes viral

    Under Ohio law, a physician, as a mandated reporter under Ohio Revised Code 2151.421, would be required to report any case of known or suspected physical, sexual or emotional abuse or neglect of a child to their local child welfare or law enforcement agency. So Bernard’s colleague would have had to make such a report to law enforcement at the same time he or she contacted Bernard. Presumably then a criminal case would have been opened.

    So it looks this story of a 10 yr old rape victim is JUST that... A fiction story...

    My gods, what IS it with you Democrats and ya'all's need to create and/or buy into complete and utter bullshit!!???

    First the Hutch BS and now the 10 yr old "rape victim" BS...

    This would have NEVER have happened if CW were still around...

    *HE* would have checked and re-checked this BS 6 ways from Sunday before he put photons out there.. :eyeroll:

    Hutch's BS and this 10 yr old rape victim BS would NEVER have made it to Weigantian print in the Weigantia that existed before the onset of President Trump Derangement Syndrome...

  26. [26] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, let's do some MORE research...

    Did It Really Happen?

    Abortion and “fake news.”

    The story of the 10-year-old pregnant rape victim in Ohio who had to travel to Indiana to get an abortion because she was three days past Ohio’s six-week cutoff point for legal abortion, reported in the Indianapolis Star on July 1, quickly went viral as a shocking example of the barbarism descending on the nation because of the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. It struck even many people with pro-life sympathies as an example of anti-abortion extremism. On July 8, President Biden mentioned it when signing an executive order on abortion access.

    The question is: Did it really happen?

    Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler casts strong doubt on the story’s authenticity in an article published on Saturday, calling it “the account of a one-source story that quickly went viral around the world—and into the talking points of the president.”

    Looks like Democrats (AND Weigantians) bought into ANOTHER load of BS....

    Can you see how utterly far OFF THE RESERVATION ya'all have gone??? That you would buy into such complete and utter BS??? TWICE... One right after the other...

    I swear, there is not a SMIDGEN of critical thinking left ANYWHERE in Weigantia except for yours truly...

    I am really REALLY embarrassed for ya'all... This is just sad...

    Democrat credibility is well and truly in the toilet.. Even more so NOW than ever before... I would have not thought that possible...

    But Democrats managed it.. :eyeroll:

  27. [27] 
    Michale wrote:

    ‘Not a Whisper’ of Alleged Rape of 10-Year-Old After Reports Claimed Girl Crossed State Lines for Abortion: Ohio AG Dave Yost

    Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost said there is no evidence that showed a 10-year-old girl was raped and impregnated, following reports that claimed a girl in such a predicament was forced to travel across state lines to get an abortion.

    The story said that the girl was reportedly denied an abortion in Ohio and had to travel to Indiana to have the procedure. The Indianapolis Star published the story on July 1 and attributed the story solely to an Indianapolis-based obstetrician-gynecologist, Dr. Caitlan Bernard.

    When asked by Fox News host Jesse Watters in an interview on Monday about whether there were any alerts about investigations into such a case, such as police reports, Yost responded: “Not a whisper.”

    Yost said that his office has regular contact with prosecutors, local police, and sheriffs, but there was “not a whisper anywhere” of a case involving a raped 10-year-old girl.

    The Ohio attorney general, a Republican, also said that his office runs the state crime lab, but also did not come across any case reports resembling the story.

    First we had the BS claim about horseback Border Patrol Agents whipping illegal immigrants..

    THAT turned out to be COMPLETE AND UTTER BS...

    Then we had the BS claim about President Trump assaulting his USSS agent and grabbing at the steering wheel of his limo...

    THAT turned out to be COMPLETE AND UTTER BS...

    THEN we had a story of a 10-yr old rape victim that supposedly had to go out of state because she was a "few days" past the limit of the Ohio State Law...

    AND THAT is turning out to be COMPLETE AND UTTER BS...

    Are ya'all seeing the pattern here???

    Democrats buying into COMPLETE AND UTTER BS stories SOLELY because it fits their agenda...

    I mean, com'on people... Don't ya'all feel the SLIGHTEST bit embarrassed by ya'all's gullibility???

    Even a LITTLE bit??? :eyeroll:

    Ya'all are so consumed by Trump/America hate ya'all can't even THINNK straight!!

    Every bit of critical thinking has just gone OUT the window...

    There is absolutely ZERO independent thought here whatsoever beyond what I bring to group...

    "Oh how the mighty have fallen.."


  28. [28] 
    Michale wrote:

    I'll follow up more on the facts of this case as time permits..

    But I am going to take a break now...

    I need some time to ponder and work thru the complete and utter gullibility of Weigantians in the here and now..


  29. [29] 
    Michale wrote:

    -- What Would You Say To A 10-Year-Old Rape Victim?

    Oh, I don't need to ponder much about THIS question...

    THIS is an easy question to answer..

    I would tell this "person" that she doesn't exist..

    Democrats made her up out of thin-air to push their heinous baby-killing agenda...

    How completely and utterly despicable are Democrats that they would invent such a disgusting and heinous act to further their perverse baby-killing agenda???

    This is YOUR Democrat Party people...

    Aren't you so proud??? :eyeroll:

  30. [30] 
    Michale wrote:

    Caitlan Bernard is the Democrat abortion supporter who made the initial claim..

    She refuses to give any further information and she is not complying with Indiana State Law regarding the reporting procedures for abortions done on children younger then 16...

    So, she is either breaking state law or she is full of shit..

    Given the fact that there are NO facts ANYWHERE to support her claims, the ONLY logical and rational conclusion is that this Bernard moron is full of crap...

    And YOU people lined up salivating and eager to believe her...

    Gods, how utterly EMBARRASSED ya'all must feel right now, eh?? :^/

    Gods know why, but I honestly expected better from ya'all..

    Well, at least SOME of ya'all.. :eyeroll:

  31. [31] 
    Michale wrote:

    An Abortion Story Too Good to Confirm

    Biden told a tale of a 10-year old rape victim that no one can identify.

    All kinds of fanciful tales travel far on social media these days, but you don’t expect them to get a hearing at the White House. That’s nonetheless what seems to have happened Friday as President Biden signed an executive order on abortion.

    With Vice President Kamala Harris and Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra nearby, Mr. Biden repeated a tale making the rounds on social media in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision to overrule Roe v. Wade. He said a 10-year-old girl he didn’t identify by name was forced to travel from Ohio to Indiana to have an abortion because Ohio now prohibits abortion after a fetal heartbeat is discovered. The girl had been raped, he said, and Ohio law now includes no abortion exceptions in cases of rape or incest.

    Mr. Biden grew agitated as he spoke: “Ten years old. Raped, six weeks pregnant. Already traumatized. Was forced to travel to another state. Imagine being that little girl. Just—I’m serious—just imagine being that little girl.”

    Imagine, indeed. The tale is a potent post-Roe tale of woe for those who want to make abortion a voting issue this fall. One problem: There’s no evidence the girl exists.

    Biden's Handlers said, "Imagine"...

    And that is JUST what Democrat morons did..

    They IMAGINED this 10 yr old rape victim...

    So, I ask YA'ALL to "imagine"...

    Just IMAGINE how sick and twisted your Democrats have to be to IMAGINE, to make up story about a 10 yr old rape victim JUST to push a political agenda..

    IMAGINE your Democrats so desperate to push their agenda that they throw out there for public consumption, a 10 yr old rape story...

    And IMAGINE the TOTAL disregard for rational and logical and critical thought a person would have to be to ACCEPT such a story at face value without even an IOTA of factual support...

    I guess I am included in that, at least initially..

    At the time, I thought to myself, I thought "Self??? NO SANE RATIONAL PERSON would even THINK to publicize this heinous story without even getting a SCINTILLA of verification first!!?? Right??"

    I guess even *I* underestimated the depravity of Democrats and the gullibility of PTDS sufferers... :eyeroll:

    I won't make THAT mistake again, I tell you that...

  32. [32] 
    Michale wrote:

    Holy crap!!!

    And if the above news about Democrats faking a 10 yr old rape victim wasn't bad enough...

    CPI is projected to be at 8.8%.. That's the highest in over FORTY YEARS!!

    I was wrong... Completely and utterly WRONG...

    Inflation surges 9.1% in June, accelerating more than expected to new 40-year high

    Economists expected the consumer price index to climb 8.8% in June

    Hay MC..??? Weren't you the one saying Inflation was going to taper off before the mid-terms and help Democrats?? :D

  33. [33] 
    Michale wrote:

    I kinda get the feeling that, between the horrendously high CPI / Inflation numbers and the discovery that Democrats FAKED a 10 yr old rape victim just to push their baby killing agenda....

    There won't be many Weigantians commenting today.. :D

    I get it... I understand why ya'all would want to hang your head in shame and hide.. :D

    Reeling from the body blows and hits and all.. :D

    Actually INVENTING a 10 yr old raped and pregnant little girl... :eyeroll:

    "That's just sad..."

  34. [34] 
    Michale wrote:

    Obviously this Caitlin Bernard moron is a big fan of Jussie Smollett..

    What IS it with ya'all's Democrats that they blatantly make shit up???

    "Anyone??? Anyone??? Buehler???"


  35. [35] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Michale, you are on a roll. To bad all the "COMPLETE AND UTTER BS..." is basically most your morning of posting.

    As it Looks like they caught the guy...

    Mea culpa?

  36. [36] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    "Anyone??? Anyone??? Buehler???"

  37. [37] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    We also got Alex Jones leading the crowd in a chant: "1776!... 1776! ... 1776!"

    There is also video of Ted Cruz leading the crowd in chanting "1776!" from one of the smaller rallies a day or two before the January 6 rally.

  38. [38] 
    Michale wrote:

    Emphasis on "looks like"..

    Are the any FACTS to support that his confession is real??

    Where's the police report of the rape..

    Where's the rape kit evidence??

    Where is the forensic evidence??

    Where are ANY facts beyond this illegal's confession???

    Show me THAT...

    Then you might have a case, Bashi...

    Unlike ya'all... I am PERFECTLY fine with admitting I am wrong when the facts warrant it..

    So, show me some FACTS...

    Then you can crow..

    Until then, you ain't got shit... :D

  39. [39] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, let's recap...

    Ya'all Democrats went apeshit hysterical about mounted Border Patrol Agents "whipping" illegal immigrants..

    But the FACTS proved it never happened..

    Then ya'all went apeshit hysterical about some bimbo claiming President Trump grabbed the steering wheel of his limo and assaulted a USSS agent..

    Then, once again, the FACTS proved it never happened..

    Finally, ya'all went apeshit hysterical AGAIN about a supposed 10 yr old rape victim who was denied an abortion...

    And again..

    ZERO FACTS to support it...

    Ya'all seeing the pattern here????

    Completely and totally BUPKIS reports, without a LICK of FACT to support and ya'all go apeshit hysterical..

    Then when there is something REALLY serious like racist stereotyping by a Democrat???

    Ya'all ignore it...

    Why am I not surprised...

  40. [40] 
    Michale wrote:

    We also got Alex Jones leading the crowd in a chant: "1776!... 1776! ... 1776!"

    There is also video of Ted Cruz leading the crowd in chanting "1776!" from one of the smaller rallies a day or two before the January 6 rally.

    Yea??? So?????


  41. [41] 
    Michale wrote:

    Biden lashes out at reporter asking about dismal approval among Dems: ‘Read the polls, Jack’

    More than 60 percent of Democrats in recent survey said they wanted new 2024 nominee

    Looks like Biden's Handlers is getting a bit testy.... :D

    Almost 2/3rds of Democrats don't want Biden's Handlers to run again in 2024..

  42. [42] 
    Michale wrote:


    When paternity is established and it is the illegal immigrant who confessed is the actual rapist, then I will concede the point..

    Until then...

    It's still stands as a fact-less case... There are NO police reports... There was NO rape kit done.. There was NO state law mandated reports of the incident..

    Why didn't Democrats establish THOSE facts first??

    Why weren't Democrats interested in JUSTICE for this girl??

    Because the just wanted to use her to push their baby killing agenda..

    Here's the deal..

    If there WAS actually a rape but all Democrats cared about was the baby killing AKA abortion aspect of it??? That makes Democrats look like shit...

    If there wasn't any rape and this moron baby killing activist made it up??? That makes Democrats look like shit...

    So.. EITHER way... Democrats are shit...

  43. [43] 
    Michale wrote:

    Biden shakes hands with Netanyahu after WH vowed he'd avoid the action on Mideast trip

    Biden is scheduled to meet with Israeli, Palestinian and Saudi Arabian leaders this week

    White House National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan announced Wednesday that due to concerns about the COVID-19 pandemic, President Biden would not be shaking hands with anyone during this week's Middle East trip.

    Not long afterwards, though, Biden met former Israeli Prime Ministar Bibi Netanyahu, and shook hands with him.

    Ya can't trust Democrats word on ANYTHING...

  44. [44] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's funny how this story of the 10-yr old allegedly raped, the ABORTION aspect of it was all that Democrats cared about...

    Not a single mention of any kind of arrest or police report or investigation or ANY of that...

    The ABORTION part of it was what was important to Democrats...

    The girl herself?? Naw, Democrats don't care a rip about her...


  45. [45] 
    Michale wrote:


    Why did you run off??? :D


  46. [46] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Fauci admits that COVID-19 vaccines do not protect 'overly well' against infection

    What he was saying is that the vaccines are not going to necessarily prevent you from getting the newer strains of the virus. But he has also been very clear that the vaccine is the difference between getting the virus and being in bed for a few days and getting the virus and dying.

    Definitely have to stay up on your booster shots with this virus! I admit that I was stupid/cocky and did not get my booster shot when it was offered. My husband did get his booster.

    When we both became sick with this latest strain of COVID, I was sick for over two weeks... he was sick for 2 to 3 days. I realize that we are just two cases, but I know that I am gonna be getting my booster shot finally.

    But you feel free to continue trying to make it out like this whole pandemic has been one major Democratic plot and not an apolitical international outbreak of a deadly virus! It's just further proof of the hatred Republicans have in their hearts and their desire to make everything "us" vs. "them"!

  47. [47] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK A little explanation is required for comment #32...

    The CPI is still expected rise to 8.8%

    Largest in 4 decades..

    The INFLATION rate rose to 9.1%!!

    Again, the largest in 4 decades...

    So, the question to MC is still a valid question...

    MC, didn't you say that the inflation rate would start coming down about now?? To help Democrats in November..

    I believe *I* told YOU that inflation would continue to rise the rest of this year and likely into early 2023...

    Looks like I was dead on ballz accurate and you were WRONG... :D

    Don't feel too bad... It happens even to the best of us.. Like me.. :D

  48. [48] 
    Michale wrote:


    What he was saying is that the vaccines are not going to necessarily prevent you from getting the newer strains of the virus. But he has also been very clear that the vaccine is the difference between getting the virus and being in bed for a few days and getting the virus and dying.

    No... That is your SPIN on what Faust was saying..

    What Faust DID say is "One of the things that's clear from the data [is] that even though vaccines - because of the high degree of transmissibility of this virus - don't protect overly well, as it were, against infection.."

    You see??? You got spin...

    I got FACTS....

    You lose.. :D

  49. [49] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK Apparently, I am completely ignorant of economics.. :D

    See?? I am comfortable enough to admit that.. Unlike ya'all here who can NEVER admit when they are wrong..

    Anyways, maybe someone can explain the relationship of CPI and INFLATION.. Or maybe CPI IS INFLATION...


    INFLATION is 9.1%.. It jumped HIGHER than expectations...

    It means that Democrats are STILL fraking things up... Democrats are STILL incompetent..

    And Democrats are STILL going to get totally uberly nuclear-ly biblically shellacked in 117 days...


  50. [50] 
    Michale wrote:

    Awwwww, it looks like I scared Bashi away... :(

    Apologies.. I didn't realize you were so sensitive...


  51. [51] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Pity. Scrolling through all this spew for just a couple non @welcher comments?

  52. [52] 
    Michale wrote:

    There ya are, MC...

    Why you been hiding all day?? :D

    So, tell me.. WHY are YOU wrong and *I* am right about inflation???

    Is it because all you do is wishcast* instead of looking at actual facts???

    *-meteorological term...


    Awww right.. Gonna go catch a few episodes of HALO..

    "I'll be back.."


  53. [53] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Yea??? So?????

    Well, Alex Jones is a Right-wing windbag and conspiracy fanatic that pushes snake oil cures on his mentally challenged audience. No one is too shocked that someone like him would be leading the chant to have a revolution and overthrow the government.

    Ted Cruz is a Senator from the state of TX. His leading the chant should be something that any patriotic American finds disturbing.

  54. [54] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    What Faust DID say is "One of the things that's clear from the data [is] that even though vaccines - because of the high degree of transmissibility of this virus - don't protect overly well, as it were, against infection.."

    What I said: "What he was saying is that the vaccines are not going to necessarily prevent you from getting the newer strains of the virus."

    Those are both saying that having the vaccine won't necessarily prevent you from becoming infected with the COVID-19 virus!!! WE are saying the exact same thing!

    Reading is fundamental. You are fun and mental!

  55. [55] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Michale, instead of all the hysterical "no facts" bla, bla, bla, you could have just read the link I posted. According to the article I posted, the perp has confessed, the girl has identified the prep as the father, the perp has been arrested and is being held without bail and one of the detectives in the case has testified that the girl underwent a medical abortion in Indianapolis on June 30 as well as that the DNA is currently being tested. That is about as strong as you are going to get from a news story...

    Face it dude, you jumped to conclusions and were wrong.

  56. [56] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    It's still stands as a fact-less case... There are NO police reports... There was NO rape kit done..

    And you know that neither of these things exist how? If the little girl is 2 - 3 months pregnant, then it is very doubtful that her rapist has had his day in court; which means all of that stuff is evidence for the trial and not subject to public disclosure.

    And there is no rape kit when it was not discovered that she had been raped only after learning that she was pregnant.

    Also, she is a 10 year old... the fact she is pregnant proves rape. IF she was raped within 48 hours of it being reported, you can bet that a rape kit was conducted.

    The President did not give many specifics because he wasn't wanting to tell the world this girl's identity. You, however, sure are desperate and willing to tell the world her identity for some reason.

    In all cases of rape, the police try to protect the identity of the victim to help prevent further damage to the victim. It isn't anyone else's business to know what she suffered unless she chooses to tell them herself. In cases of incest and rape, the state will not announce who it is charging with the rape because doing so would identify the victim. Curious that someone with your alleged credentials wouldn't know all of this already.

  57. [57] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    The best was watching Comrade Michael Flynn pleading the 5th over and over! Instead of responding to the questions he was being asked with, "I am invoking my Fifth Amendment right and am not answering on the grounds that what I say may incriminate me," Flynn just starts shouting out "FIFTH!" like he is on a game show and knows the final answer to the bonus round.

    Flynn even invoked his right against self-incrimination when asked whether he believed in the peaceful transfer of presidential power! Not really sure how the Fifth applies to this question, but it does say a lot about his integrity!

  58. [58] 
    Michale wrote:


    When there are FACTS to support the claim, then I'll concede the point..

    And, even if I turn out to be wrong, then it's clear that Democrats weren't interested in the RAPE, but were just interested in the baby killing aspect of the tragedy..

    So, either Democrats lied or Democrats ignored the actual rape..

    Either way, Democrats are SHIT..

    That's the fact that's been proven...

  59. [59] 
    Michale wrote:

    When you have DNA *FACTS* that establish that the scumbag illegal alien (or undocumented Democrat) is actually the rapist.... THEN you will have a fact that proves your claim..

    Until then, you are full of shit..

  60. [60] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, irregardless of all THOSE facts, the fact is the Weigantian moderator AND Biden's Handlers ran with this rape story without ANY FACTS to back it up..

    No matter HOW ya'all try to spin this, ALL Democrats involved here come out looking like shit..

    THAT is the only factual takeaway of this whole sad affair....

    And there is ALSO the BS story of the mounted Border Patrol agents AND the BS story of the Hutch bimbo making claims that are TOTAL BS...

    Democrats are shit... End of story...

    "These are the facts of the case.. And they are undisputed."

  61. [61] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, if this rape of a 10 yr old actually is real...

    The rape was committed by an illegal immigrant..

    So, the rape is actually a result of DEMOCRAT Open Border policies...

    So, no matter WHAT the facts are....

    Democrats are shit.....

    Funny how it ALL comes down to that fact, eh??

    HALO was decent... I am not a huge fan of the Game Series, but the show is pretty awesome....

    Ni ni ya'all...

    I'll be back in the morning to kick some more Democrat ass all over Weigantia.. :D

  62. [62] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Poor Michale, his manufactured outrage sputters to failure. Again, again, and again...

    The original story was that a poor 10 year old girl was raped and had to go to different state to get an abortion as the right wing had passed draconian laws that prevent it. To repeat from my post above: one of the detectives in the case has testified that the girl underwent a medical abortion in Indianapolis on June 30. Unless the detective was lying, the girl existing and needing an abortion in another state has been confirmed. I hope if the perp is guilty they toss his ass away and if not then they find who really did it and toss their ass away but that is immaterial to disprove your morning of total bullshit.

    Why are you lying? The Jill Biden quote had nothing to do with calling Hispanics: tacos. She was calling them "unique" to any competent English speaker. Your misogynistic ad hominems aside you have not proven jack about any supposed lies from Cassidy Hutchinson. And until Tony Ornato goes under oath and does not plead the 5th, you got nothing.

    Oh, and we went through way too many stories on vaccine efficacy through the development of the original vaccines, and how they reacted to variants afterword to find anything interesting in your continued misinformation on COVID.

    The Fauci quote from that article you posted:

    One of the things that's clear from the data [is] that even though vaccines - because of the high degree of transmissibility of this virus - don't protect overly well, as it were, against infection, they protect quite well against severe disease leading to hospitalization and death.

    Why did you not include that quote from your foxnews link? The truth gets in the way of misinformation and your handlers don't approve?

  63. [63] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Well i saw that pivot coming a mile away :)

  64. [64] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Bashi [62]

    And might I just add...


    Very nicely done!

  65. [65] 
    Kick wrote:


    Where's the police report of the rape..

    Self-described Jack Reacher needs help (again) with simple law enforcement questions. Russ and I aren't helping you anymore. You can seriously stop pretending at this point.

    Where's the rape kit evidence??

    Where's your LEO expertise? This is an easy answer, Fake Reacher.

    Where is the forensic evidence??

    Where do you think it would be, Reacher? It's kind of an obvious answer.

    Where are ANY facts beyond this illegal's confession???

    It's a medical issue and none of your damn business. Do you and the morons on Fox need HIPAA laws explained to you too?

  66. [66] 
    Kick wrote:


    And you know that neither of these things exist how? If the little girl is 2 - 3 months pregnant, then it is very doubtful that her rapist has had his day in court; which means all of that stuff is evidence for the trial and not subject to public disclosure.

    Self-described Jack Reacher needs our help (again) with simple law enforcement issues. We'll also have to explain the simple fact regarding HIPAA laws which any moron who claims to be an LEO would obviously already know this basic stuff.

    Also, she is a 10 year old... the fact she is pregnant proves rape. IF she was raped within 48 hours of it being reported, you can bet that a rape kit was conducted.

    Now explain DNA and HIPAA to self-described Reacher... you know, Forensics 101. *shakes head*

    The President did not give many specifics because he wasn't wanting to tell the world this girl's identity.

    It's a medical issue too and a violation of HIPAA laws for her health care provider to reveal her identity, as you know... basic stuff... along with the fact that generally the identity of rape victims is protected... more basic stuff.

    In all cases of rape, the police try to protect the identity of the victim to help prevent further damage to the victim. It isn't anyone else's business to know what she suffered unless she chooses to tell them herself. In cases of incest and rape, the state will not announce who it is charging with the rape because doing so would identify the victim.

    Dead on accurate... basic stuff.

    Curious that someone with your alleged credentials wouldn't know all of this already.

    Self-described Jack Reacher can stop pretending at this point. :)

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