It is a sad day for Ukraine and for people all over the world who love freedom and justice.

I don't know where this is going but I pray that the Ukrainian people will get through this unprovoked and illegal invasion by Russia as safely as possible and that cooler heads prevail before too long.

I hope Russia pays a very, very heavy price for this action.

If you think it means cock holster, you are correct. :)

Oh! My delicate ears!

But yeah, that's exactly what I thought lol.

Before I leave for the night, I'll make one more prediction...

vick doesn't REALLY have military/weapons permit pics of me.... She won't post them because she is LYING through her tooth...

It's your prediction that somebody doesn't have the bullshit you just invented about them when you went batshit crazy because they posted the words "link" and "mugshot"? You want a medal or a chest to pin it on?

It's pathetic.... She has no life so she has to claim she has my pics to masturbate to...

So you're saying you have no life and you're a she? I believe you.

Personally, I would think it's flattering..

Somebody already in the process of inventing bullshit about me and Liz lost his shit in the comments section and went batshit crazy inventing more shit when I posted the words "link" and "mugshot."

You would think that a guy who keeps claiming to be a Jack Reacher-style police officer wouldn't need it explained to him about arrests being easily searchable public record that are kept by law enforcement officers in perpetuity, but here we are.

See ya'all in the morning where we can all laugh at the skank, vick together... :D

It obviously would be a lot more fun for someone to suggest linking to your criminal mugshot that is obviously public record kept by law enforcement in perpetuity and then watch you perform for multiple comment boxes on end like the dancing monkey you've always been. Wind him up, and watch him go.

So, to recap: Mugshots are public record, Mike, you inveterate ignorant performing poon. :)

BEING that,

1- Russia has been invaded forever -- from the Mongols to the Nazis,

2- Therefore, having friendly buffer states bordering Russia is always-
on-their-mind-mind-mind-mind.

3- In 2005 Putin famously said the demise of the Soviet Union [in 1991] was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century...

SO I looked up NATO membership and here's what William Bradley is talking about:

1949 – Belgium, Canada,
Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, United Kingdom, United States.

1952 – Greece, Turkey

1955 – Germany

1982 – Spain

1999 – Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland

2004 – Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia

Notice how just a decade-and-coin later NATO suddenly borders Mother Russia, north and south? Can you blame the Rooskies for opposing NATO membership for Ukraine? This is an existential issue for them.

Putin would have invaded Ukraine weeks ago if he wanted war/conquest but his aim is to get assurances that Ukraine won't join NATO. Joe and Europe are rightfully playing hard to get and Putin has rightfully responded by officially/openly occupying Donbas. In the end they'll negotiate a no-NATO Ukraine deal and avoid a full on invasion.

For the record, Ukraine is the only country in history that voluntarily gave up all the nuclear weapons on its soil.

In 1994, the three depository states of
the Treaty on the Nonproliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT)—Russia, the United States,
and the United Kingdom—extended positive and negative security assurances to Ukraine.
The depository states underlined their commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial
integrity by signing the so-called “Budapest Memorandum.”

Using new archival records, this examination of Ukraine’s search for security guarantees
in the early 1990s reveals that, ironically, the threat of border revisionism by Russia was
the single gravest concern of Ukraine’s leadership when surrendering the nuclear arsenal.

So perhaps we owe Ukraine a little more than just caring about the price of gas in America, eh? Full disclosure, I am of 100% Ukrainian ancestry and these views may be biased regarding the old country as my grandparents called Ukraine.

vick doesn't REALLY have military/weapons permit pics of me.... She won't post them because she is LYING through her tooth...

AGAIN..

But the mere fact that she would LIE about having such pics???

It's pathetic.... She has no life so she has to claim she has my pics to masturbate to...

Personally, I would think it's flattering..

But... EEEEWWWWWWWWWWW

What a skank vick is..

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See ya'all in the morning where we can all laugh at the skank, vick together... :D

I mean, honestly.. what kind of lowlife scumbag actually COLLECTS pics of people online that has intellectually kicked their ass all over the Internet, eh???

Apparently, stalking people and collecting military/weapons permit pics is what constitutes "serious discussion" here in Weigantia™... :^/

I am sure we'll have LOTS to talk about this tomorrow when I log back in...

But for tonight, I am calling vick's bluff..

GO AHEAD... Post the pics of me that you masturbate to when yer "boyfriend" runs out of batteries..

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Yer a luser, vick... Here in Weigantia™ you have ALWAYS been a luser...

I PWN you... Now... Always... Forever...

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Kick, what does the word "holster" mean in Texas? Does that mean what I think it means?

If you think it means cock holster, you are correct. :)

There ya go, again.

Mike the poon has simply gotten the simple word "link" confused with all that bullshit he just made up. Word twisting and inventing shit is what he does, and everyone here is supposed to feel sorry for his perpetual victimhood... that he invents and then whines like a toddler begging for your sympathy.

If you weren't busy "fawning over Putin," you'd have time for Poor Mike, amiright? ;)

You claim to have military/weapons permit pictures of me that you masturbate to...

And now you clam up and run away...

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Post what you claim you have..

PROVE to everyone that yer nothing but an insecure internet stalker who can't handle getting her ass kicked six ways from sunday!!

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Got no scrot, eh vick!!???

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Hay cad... How did that RUSSIA WON'T INVADE prediction work out for ya!!???

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So, now we have cad with his gay slur and vick with her claim to have military/weapons permit pics of me that she masturbates to!!

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WOW...

Today could have NOT worked out better for me!!! A gross and perverted stalker was outed and cad was out'ed as homophobic, completely with gay slurs!!! :D

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What's more pathetic???

That vick would actually have military/weapons permit pictures of me???

Or that she would LIE about it and claims she has them???

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I am calling yer bitch ass out, vick..

Post what ya got.... PROVE you are not a lying assed bitch....

Go ahead... I double dog dare you!! :D

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"I will be happy to link to your fat-faced mugshot if you'd like."
-vick

Here we have a Weigantian™ commenter who ADMITS to collecting pictures of another Weigantian™ commenter that has kicked her ass from one side of Weigantia™ to the other...

And your response to that, Liz is....??? "Eh... so"????

You don't find that the LEAST bit disconcerting that vick would collect military/weapons permit pictures of me????

REALLY!!?????

How does that fit into your "rational discussion" wishes for Weigantia™???

Arrests and civil lawsuits are public record. Also, you've already admitted it on this forum.

Your creative bullshit and word twisting only works with idiots as gullible as you are. You are the only poster dumb enough on this forum to fall for your ridiculous drivel and spewage.

You and your perpetual whiney victimhood seem desperate to get Liz's attention today. Maybe not making up bullshit about Liz would have been a better angle. Nice try, though. Poon. :)

"Help me Bashi!!! HELP ME!!! Michale is kicking my ass again and I need your help!!!!"

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What's the matter, vick???

You have out'ed yerself as masturbating to my online military/weapons pictures and now you need someone to bail you out!!???

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Why aren't you posting what you claim to have????

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Once again, vick proves beyond ANY doubt what Weigantia™ has become...

It's a good thing that this Weigantian™ Freedom Fighter has arrived on the scene to fix things... Make things right and proper again....

There ya go, again.

Of course, you ignore this:

I will be happy to link to your fat-faced mugshot if you'd like.

Aren't you the LEAST bit curious why vick has pictures of me on her computer???

I mean, honestly Liz...

What in holy hell can you think of as justification for vick to have pictures of me on her computer???

Can you come up with a SINGLE justification for that???

Can you???

Of course you can't...

All of the sudden, you go dark???

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What a lowlife scumbag you have proven yourself to be.... :D

POST the picture from my military service or my weapons permits that you masturbate to.... :D

BBBBWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Prove to everyone here what a low-life stalker and reprobate that you really are....

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^^^^ That is what you defend as "serious discussion and debate"...

A reprobate stalker who searches the internet for pictures of people that have bitch-slapped her down time and time again...

THAT is what YOU call "serious discussion and debate"...

Are you fraking kidding me!???

If you're going to continue to post bullshit about me, I will be happy to link to your fat-faced mugshot if you'd like.

Why do you have my alleged mugshut???

Yes, I have had mugshot-style photos taking for my various military/weapons permits and clearances...

The fact that you claim to have those in your possession shows a level of icky stalker-ness that SHOULD be unsettling for all Weigantians™..

Tell me, vick.. Do you gaze at my photographs while your battery-driven "boyfriend" works magic on yer body???

Eeewwwwwwww

Why do you have pictures of me on your computer, vick???

Enquiring minds want to know...

But seriously.. By all means.. Link the pics that you gaze lovingly while you masturbate....

Show everyone what a true stalker-reprobate you really are...

Just be sure and show my good side... :D

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Wake me up when the imminent invasion begins! Ha!

Biden administration officials are still calling it imminent today. Sigh.

That was yesterday... :^/

Nice post... the long opinion one, even if I don't agree with it in its lengthy entirety.

Heh. The word is 'non-brief'. A little private joke that a few around here, lurking and otherwise, will get. :)

It has a lot going for it than just the length, though. It is the sad hard truth.

Wake me up when the imminent invasion begins! Ha!

Biden administration officials are still calling it imminent today. Sigh.

It's clear that Putin and Russia are the bad guys here..

And vick is defending Putin and Russia...

You have obviously confused with me with Your Worship, Donald Trump a.k.a. Putin's Puppet.

If you're going to continue to post bullshit about me, I will be happy to link to your fat-faced mugshot if you'd like. Maybe Bashi will post those links he's talked about featuring your fondness for being a holster. :)

Yet, when the FACTS are posted, vick is no where to be found... :D

Funny, eh? :D

Biden announces sanctions against Nord Stream 2 owner, reversing 2021 decision

The sanctions follow Germany's announcement that they are also taking steps to put the pipeline on hold
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-sanctions-nord-stream-2-pipeline-russia-germany

Biden APPROVED Putin's oil pipeline after shutting down the US's Keystone pipeline..

NOW Biden is DISAPPROVING Putin's pipeline..

Biden is SO fickle, no WONDER Putin invaded Ukraine...

:^/

Here's hoping we can continue it without all the white noise of fact-less personal attacks, eh?? :D

Oh I love your post... I love your pro-PUTIN position...

I just don't agree with it..

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What a crock o crap...

vick supports Putin to the hilt... That much is obvious...

First I PWN cad in his Putin-love comments..

Lots of corporations hired/recruited online agitators to keep people engaged on their message boards back in the AOL era of the internet. I cannot think of any other explanation for why CW allows you to turn his site into a portal right-wing propaganda regurgitation.

And then rush claims that I am actually an agent of the Weigantian™ administration..

And to top it off, I bitch-slap vick and her Putin love.... :D

I mean, honestly... Could this day be ANY brighter for me!??? :D

Well, thanks for that. :)

You are welcome.

Nice post... the long opinion one, even if I don't agree with it in its lengthy entirety.

RANDOM FUN FACT: Brad Pitt's name is William Bradley Pitt.

Just wanted to let you know somebody read it. :)

I am LAUGHING at your military prowess and acumen...

You obviously NEVER served in the US Military... :^/

Where are you??

Are you not interested in defending your position that Russia will not invade Ukraine????

“I’m going to stand up to him,” Biden told his supporters in a fundraising video before he had secured the nomination. “He’s a bully.” Send me to the White House, and Putin will know “his days of tyranny and trying to intimidate the United States and those in Eastern Europe are over.”
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/02/23/for_decades_biden_promised_he_could_handle_putin_147233.html

Now we see how Biden "handles" Putin...

By giving Putin the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and giving Putin carte blanche in over-running Ukraine...

Biden is obviously Putin's puppet...

And vick is defending Putin and Russia...

Mind-boggling....

I mean, vick I can understand... She has ALWAYS been terroristic and wanky... ALWAYS willing to throw America under the bus..

But why would Liz throw in with vick...

THAT is mind-boggling...

That pretty much says it all...

Biden's foreign affairs approval plummets to 40%: Gallup poll

The president’s marks on foreign affairs are a point below his 41% overall approval rating, according to the new poll.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-foreign-affairs-approval-40-percent-gallup-poll

Biden is taking a HUGE hit...... The facts are incontrovertible...

Yea??

Post them...

You can't because they don't exist..

The mere fact is Ukraine signed a Nuclear Non-Proliferation pact with Russia..

Ukraine gave up her nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees from Russia..

Putin reneged on those pacts.. One only has to see that Russia annex'ed Crimea to know that this is factually accurate..

Once again, I am GABBERFLASTED that you would support Putin in this aggression...

This is not like you, Liz...

I am concerned for your frame of mind.....

I am LAUGHING at the superior intellect...

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[Bradley's essay] blames Ukraine for "reneging on its agreement to semi-autonomous status for eastern Ukraine."
Where are the FACTS to support the claim of reneging..."

I find it amusing that your are always looking for facts but, ah, can never quite find them. Heh.

Facts to support the claim of Ukrainian reneging are in the public record. Look them up!

THAT is what was considered "rational discussion" here in Weigantia™ until I came back around...

Glad we put an end to THAT kind of BS, eh?? :D

Where has cad gotten himself to??

We haven't seen him since he TOTALLY flub'ed the RUSSIA WILL NEVER INVADE UKRAINE line of total bull!! :D

Yea... cad was in the US military.... :^/

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As usual the FACTS win out... :D

Yes, I proved you wrong.

Yes, you ignored the facts I posted that proved you are a gullible right-wing echo chamber with ZERO common sense.

Yes, you will repeat the lies about no one dying and continue to disrespect the soldiers who did die on Trump's watch because you're an idiot with no common sense who prefers the Trumpian bullshit fiction over the actual facts.

Compare vick's BS to how it was BEFORE vick showed her ugly and hateful face here.... :^/

You're terminal butthurt; we understand. Whine and cry some more, Snowflake Mike. I am never not here. :)

I thought you two knew that I am Putin's biggest fan!

No one with any common sense would ever confuse you with Donald Trump. :)

#1 is what you call, lemme find exactly what you said..

Is that comment from vick what you would call engaging in "real political discussion"??

CW remarked that "large parts of the Republican Party are supporting Biden's efforts." I responded that Donald Trump is now praising Putin and sinking to ever deeper depths and my belief that the other GOP useful idiots are likely to join him in doing so.

Only a moron wouldn't recognize this as being a real political discussion.

Of course not..

So you've established you're a moron. Nothing new.

Because ya'all don't WANT "real political discussion".. Ya'all want to lambaste your enemies, call them all sorts of names and spew baseless and fact-less diatribes against people who think differently than ya'all do..

Your projection is obvious to everyone else who reads the comment board... even though connecting the dots isn't exactly your strong suit. You have described yourself perfectly, and I can save myself a whole lot of time by just posting what CW said about you because he described you perfectly:

Let's see...

Hourly hatefests towards Obama/America? Check.

So filled with hate it saddens me? Check.

Obama hate 24/7? Check.

So in other words, what you are saying is:

"I should be allowed to spew hatred towards a Democratic president all the time, but when there's a Republican in the White House nobody else is allowed to do what I've been doing for 8 solid years."

Is that about it?

Talk about your thin skins... after all, we're all just following in your footsteps. You apparently can dish it out, but heaven forbid you have to take it in return. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, dude.

I mean, seriously, just go back to any column between 2009 and 2016 and read ANY random comment you wrote. See what I mean? They're not that hard to find.

~ Chris Weigant

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/07/29/rampant-gop-incompetence-on-full-display/#comment-166446

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THAT is what ya'all want here..

Mike needs a safe space. He can dish it out but obviously cannot take it. Snowflake Mike.

If you don't like what Weigantia™ is in the here and now, then take a good look at people like vick and cad and rush and the lot of them..

Translation: Mike is terminal butthurt and has run into some posters he cannot run off the forum in his usual fashion. Poor Mike.

Because my posts and comments are simply a mirror image of their post and comments..

Incorrect. We can all spell, punctuate, and form paragraphs and aren't ignorant enough to confuse quantity with quality.

I simply do it more and better than they do...

In your ever-present demonstrable ignorance, you are obviously mistaking your Trollshit Mountain of quantity with quality... not unlike a fat bastard who would brag about his gorging himself to excess and then celebrating the resultant cardiovascular and circulatory disease.

I am asking about the entire commentary that you quoted..

It blames Ukraine for "reneging on its agreement to semi-autonomous status for eastern Ukraine."

Where are the FACTS to support the claim of reneging...

Ukraine is it's own sovereign country...

Do you agree with that??

If YES, then Ukraine has a RIGHT to consider NATO membership... And NATO has the RIGHT to offer such membership..

Do you agree with THAT??

Ask me about something that I have actually said.

I dare ya.

Your words, Michale. Not my idea.

You seem to be fixating on this idea that A>NATO has NO RIGHT to offer Ukraine membership and B> Ukraine has NO RIGHT to consider such membership..

I would like to ask you WHERE you get that idea from??

Do you not accept the concept that NATO is a force for good and just in this world??

Or do you equate NATO with the now defunct WARSAW PACT???

Basically, you seem to be of the opinion that NATO is not the good guys...

I ask what you base that on??

Again... Gabber-flasted...

Basically, this is all UKRAINE's fault for not kow-towing to Russia's demands???

I am gabber-flasted into silence....

I am going to post, in full, a piece by another of my favourite political analysts, William Bradley. If I had a link to post I would do that. But, I do not, so here is Bradley's latest cogent analysis that this group can consider itself lucky to have the opportunity to read.

Without further ado ...

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Another Fine Mess
By William Bradley
2/22/2022 11:50 pm ET

"First the Obama-Biden administration reacted with a remarkably ho-hum attitude to the unprecedented intervention of Russian intelligence in our 2016 presidential election, which provided Donald Trump’s crucial edge in his very narrow win over Hillary Clinton. (Who had fatefully baited the bear by comparing Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler at the notorious $300,000 UCLA lecture I attended and whose husband Bill pushed NATO expansion east toward Russia.)

"Then the Biden-Harris administration hit the mute button again when Russian hackers linked to the security apparat injected malware into key public and private computer systems across the U.S.

"Having done nothing when Russian actors were so far outside their lane as to justify a “horse’s head” sort of response to career KGB officer Putin, President Joe Biden has now decided to draw a line in the sand to … preserve the prospect of expanding NATO into Ukraine. Which is a couple hundred miles from Moscow.

"Now, back in the 1990s, I tried, utterly unsuccessfully, to help Russian democratic reformers. This episode began in 1994 when the U.S. State Department placed a top aide to Russian President Boris Yeltsin with me for six weeks as part of learning how to do politics in a democracy. It quickly became apparent that Moscow in those days was in the midst of violent, corrupt turmoil. People doing politics were attacked, beaten, stabbed, shot. Dipping into that was like a whole season of ‘Yellowstone.’

"While the experience proved complex and multi-faceted, one aspect was very simple. Russians of all stripes — including the many pro-American types of the time whose ranks at least ostensibly boasted the new FSB security service chief I met with the Siberian blizzard eyes — agreed on one thing. No NATO expansion toward Russia. NATO was an alliance to defend against the late Soviet Union, not something to expand up to the borders of oft-invaded Russia.

"Fast forward to a few weeks ago, when I listened to an off-the record Biden administration briefing on the current crisis. I won’t quote it, since it was carefully off the record and frankly more than a little tedious. In the next life, if this planet is still habitable and something resembling our current setup exists, I will spend a lot less time listening to politicians.

"The one thing that was interesting was the attitude. No rationality was assigned to Putin.

"Of course, this briefing was just part of the rollout of a line from Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken on down to operatives, allies, “thought leaders,” and most of the Western media.

"We want serious negotiation for peace. But who can understand what is in the mind of Putin?

"Actually, Putin has been making his perspective clear for a very long time.

"After helping the US in the aftermath of 9/11, and souring on the US after the soon-to-backfire invasion of Iraq and fateful occupation of Afghanistan, he made his perspective clear after George Bush II and Dick Cheney renewed Bill Clinton’s push for NATO expansion eastward toward Russia. Stop the expansion and, above all, no NATO in Ukraine.

"Putin made it clear again when Cheney counselor Victoria Nuland became the Bush II/Cheney US ambassador to NATO, where she pushed NATO expansion toward Russia and promoted the constantly deceptive debacle that was US/NATO occupation of Afghanistan. He made it especially clear when Nuland — whose husband was one of the principal advocates of the invasion of Iraq as co-founder of the jauntily titled Project for the New American Century — became Hillary Clinton’s spokesperson and surfaced in Kiev, pushing a revolution against Ukraine’s democratically elected pro-Russia president and getting recorded on her mobile phone fecklessly discussing who the US should pick to be the next Ukrainian president. Gee, what’s a term for that? Let’s go with unwise.

"Nuland is now the U.S. undersecretary of state for policy.

"Putin was especially clear, as I wrote in near-real time, when new President Barack Obama visited Moscow in 2009. Obama preferred to think that new Russian President Dmitry Medvedev (an amiable lawyer who was Putin’s chief of staff and then prime minister) was the real power in Russia. Rather than the truth, which I pointed out during Obama’s trip, which was that Putin had merely switched offices with his prime minister for a few years rather than change the term limits part of the Russian constitution. (Putin would later just change the constitution.)

"Putin, the, ah, mere prime minister, made Obama come to his dacha outside Moscow, despite Obama having one of his ballyhooed major addresses on tap back in the city. Putin then lectured Obama at length, making the American president late for his big speech. His focus? Making sure the US and Russia stay in their respective lanes. Above all, hands off neighboring Ukraine. Rather than attend Obama’s speech, Putin then rode off with his Night Wolves motorcycle pals. To Ukraine. Got it, Mr. President?

"But in 2014, the US backed regime change in Ukraine, at the height of Putin’s cherished Sochi Winter Olympics, adding insult to injury.

"Hmm, what is it about autocrats and the Winter Olympics? At least Sochi, unlike Beijing, had all real snow. Not that there is a big future for the Winter Olympics in the dawning climate apocalypse. (TM)

"About that last, which is not at all a digression.

" he’s as capable as any politician in the world of shoveling some large loads of quasi-historical horse manure, Putin has some legitimate points, which he’s been making for a very long time. If Biden, Blinken or Nod for that matter find it all so mysterious, it’s because you just can’t engage in negotiation when you’re wearing ear plugs.

"Putin even has some points on the current Ukrainian government’s suppression of the Russian language and its extra-judicial oppression of duly elected members of Parliament, who made plenty of hay from the Zelenskyy administration’s mismanagement of the pandemic, which even extended to turning down the Russian vaccine when Ukraine couldn’t get Western vaccines.

"But there is no “genocide” in eastern Ukraine. Putin sounds like that dopey wokista college kid who got Kamala Harris to sound like she endorsed the harebrained notion of Israeli genocide against Palestinians.

"Having said all that because I prefer intellectual honesty and clear-eyed analysis, Putin is not our friend. I’ve seen those eyes and studied the man. He is a man of the main chance. Nor is Russia our friend. There were points at which, maybe, had we not had such an error-prone foreign policy establishment whose blunders are among the greatest in world history. Afghanistan, Syria, the rise of Isis, Libya, just to look at the last decade, and Iran and China may be in the on-deck circle.

"But the hopeful alliance with Russia, probably not. Though not for the reasons of the Beltway foreign policy establishment.

"As I’ve written before, some time after the election of Donald Trump I learned of a private report by a Russian think tank on the emerging climate crisis. It was an enormous geo-strategic opportunity for the Rodina, which, thanks to its status as the most physically enormous nation in the world and the, ah, authority-oriented history of the Russian people, was uniquely positioned to be the big winner of what for most nations would be disastrous global climate change.

"Russia had long been a center of climate change disinformation. While Putin officially signed climate agreements, his telling quip was that climate change really meant was that Russians would need fewer fur coats.

"Couple that with a long string of American geopolitical screw-ups and those Siberian blizzard eyes are focusing on the bonanza of main chances.

"In view of this scenario, Russia’s role in helping Donald Trump become president, which I was first given to understand — when I wrote the day after Wikileaks published damaging Clinton machine e-mails was the work of Russian intel — was at least as much about hurting the Clintons as helping Trump, is cast in an even more sinister light.

"Investigators looking for Trump campaign collusion with Russia were probably looking for the wrong things at the wrong time. (The vaunted Mueller investigation losing its key witnesses also doomed the probe, as I warned for months before the heralded report proved to be a largely wet firecracker.) And much of what happened in 2016 looks like rather shambolic Trumpies trying to figure out how to coordinate with the Russians rather than actual effective coordination. At one point during the transition, Jared Kushner tried to arrange a sensitive compartmented information facility at the Russian embassy to communicate privately with Moscow! The Russians, who probably thought Kushner was a credentialed idiot who lucked out scoring the boss’s hot daughter, said nyet.

"Between 2009 and 2012, the New York rich guy fame-aholic Democrat who to my enormous irritation backed my candidate, frontrunner Gary Hart, for president and later tried to become Bill Clinton’s golfing buddy morphed into an alt-right type. I know one person who showed Trump the glittering vista from the mountaintop during this period. But he focused on economic populism, corrupt elites, and social alienation. Not climate change. In 2009, Trump criticized Obama for not doing enough to fight climate change. By 2012, he was claiming it was all a Chinese hoax designed to destroy America’s industrial base. And Obama, of course, wasn’t even an American.

"As president, Trump proved to be the greatest champion on the planet FOR global climate change. But his own country, which is to say our country, does not benefit from climate change. Quite the contrary. Quite, quite, quite the contrary. Russia does benefit, even more than its alarmingly fast emerging ally China, which actually is taking some steps against climate change.

"Let’s put the little question of humanity’s future aside and return to our newest fine mess.

"I’m told that some attendees at the annual Munich Security Conference — an annual confab of international security types which I once attended and found not especially edifying — were going on over the weekend about how if Ukraine was in NATO we wouldn’t be in this fix.

"That is quite correct. Because the war would already have happened. So we wouldn’t be in this fix. Who really knows where anyone would be?

"There are two key points about the idea of expanding NATO into Ukraine.

"The first is that Ukraine is far too corrupt to even qualify for NATO membership.

"The second is that Russia will attack Ukraine if NATO ever expands into Ukraine. And Ukraine may very well not be the only place Moscow attacks.

"So the idea that NATO expansion into Ukraine is “off the table” is, well, how to put this politely? Let’s go with non-serious. That’s polite.

"Unless your goal is to foment crisis, or you somehow believe that there will be a pro-American regime change in Russia — which is simply idiotic — the appropriate assessment of Ukraine is this: It is of maximal strategic importance to Russia, as revealed by the advanced technology called a map. And it is of minimal strategic importance to the US.

"This is not to consign the Ukrainian people to an all-out Russian invasion. I was an observer in one of those, when the CIA said that the Soviet Union would not invade Afghanistan. It was efficient and brutal.

"We can preserve a good life for the Ukrainian people. I doubt Putin wants to run the place. Running any country is more than a bit of a pain, even if it doesn’t have a whole lot of hostile people. He wants to make sure we never get the opportunity to set up military forces a few hundred miles from Moscow.

"But we have folks who claimed week after week that Russian invasion of Ukraine was “imminent.” Pro tip: If it doesn’t happen right away, it is not imminent. It might be impending. As in, my snatching the mosquito from the air is imminent. My trip to the store to see if they have Starbucks dark roast, medium roast AND blonde roast is impending.

"Then they spent a day trying to determine if Russia had invaded. Which was amusing since they had also spent a lot of time bragging about their supposedly detailed knowledge of what the Russians were doing before they did it. But once the Russians did something, they weren’t sure what it was. Meanwhile, I was watching footage on Al Jazeera of Russian forces entering a Ukrainian town.

"Maybe that’s why they kept on saying Russian invasion of Ukraine was “imminent.” If you don’t know what imminent means, why would you know what an invasion is?

"And obviously if you have “detailed intelligence” on what the opposing force will do, you also have response scenarios already in place. So what was the hang-up in figuring out what to call the Russian move and what to do about it? Or maybe the better question is just … what’s wrong with this damn picture?

"So the Russians moved to make moot Kiev’s reneging on its agreement to semi-autonomous status for eastern Ukraine. There are now a couple fake pro-Russia republics. “People’s republics,” because Putin is an ironic classicist. And now there are some sanctions. Big deal.

"Another Fine Mess is in fact a classic movie title. It does not, shall we say, star Henry Fonda and James Stewart."

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Putin's concerns are completely and utterly IRRELEVANT because Putin want's to rebuild a Stalin-esque USSR empire...

Taking those megalomaniac actions into consideration is falling into the trap of claiming that every possible side of any given problem has virtue...

Ya'all went batshit hysterical when you THOUGHT President Trump was claiming that there were good people in the NAZI side of Charlottesville..

Here you have a situation where a bona-fide DICTATOR believes that it's his destiny to recreate Stalin's USSR and Democrats believe that there is virtue in that position...

Ya'all are in error if ya'all believe that...

It's THAT simple....

Putin's concerns are at the heart of this matter...

Putin want's to reconstitute the old USSR...

NATO stands in his way...

"NATO expansion" is a GOOD thing for those who believe in civilized nations dealing with each other in a CIVILIZED way...

LACK of NATO expansion is the enemy of CIVILIZED discourse....

It's really THAT simple...

THAT is the kind of "rational discussion" you defend, Liz???? :^/

You wonder why Weigantia™ is the way it is, Liz??

Compare vick's BS to how it was BEFORE vick showed her ugly and hateful face here.... :^/

I don't wish to have a discussion about Putin's concerns, either. It's not the subject of the headline piece, after all. I think he has gone off the deep end, anyways and his concerns are no concern of mine.

Again, I was merely pointing out why Americans should care about Ukraine ... because the US and its allies are NOT merely bystanders in this slow-moving geopolitical train wreck.

That is all and I am done with this for the time being.

Thank-you.

And yet, so many good things happened for this country under President Trump..

We obviously already know you're a Trump holster, Mike, but Your Worship -- the former President of the United States -- is busy right now praising his buddy Vladimir Putin. Can the other useful idiots of the GOP be far behind? I don't think so. The former President of the United States will now be on a loop on Russian state propaganda television in praise of Putin; that is what it means to be a useful idiot of Putin.

And, under the last 18 months of President Trump's term, ZERO American soldiers died in Afghanistan...

What kind moron who fancies himself a military expert would ever make or be ignorant enough to fall for the utter asinine bullshit claim that no soldiers died in a theater of war the size of Afghanistan over an 18-month period of time? You are a special kind of useful idiot: Gullible as well as stupid.

Oh, shocker NOT shocker; the former President of the United States who has always been a useful idiot for Vladimir Putin continues in his effusive praise of America's enemy, and Mike naturally wants to change the subject and lie about soldiers' deaths in Afghanistan. Maybe he isn't lying; maybe he's just ignorant about the FACTS and blinded by the actual fact that his head is shoved so far up Trump's ass that he's lost his ability to apply reasoning and common sense.

Mike the self-proclaimed Jack Reacher is such an "expert" that he believed the bullshit claim that no one died in a large theater of war for 18 months. That is effing bone-deep level ignorance. Here is the list of United States servicemembers who actually died in Afghanistan during that time:

11/27/2020 Leli, Kelliann
07/12/2020 Allbaugh, Joseph Trent
07/03/2020 Ibarria, Vincent Sebastian
05/19/2020 Bowman, Trevarius Ravon
02/12/2020 Kimball, Branden Tyme
02/08/2020 Rodriguez, Antonio Rey
02/08/2020 Gutierrez, Javier Jaguar
01/27/2020 Phaneuf, Ryan S.
01/27/2020 Voss, Paul K.
01/11/2020 Villalon, Miguel
01/11/2020 McLaughlin, Ian P.
12/23/2019 Goble, Michael J.
11/20/2019 Knadle, David C.
11/20/2019 Fuchigami Jr., Kirk T.
09/16/2019 Griffin, Jeremy W.
09/05/2019 Ortiz, Elis A. Barreto
08/29/2019 Ard, Dustin B.
08/21/2019 Gonzalez, Jose J.
08/21/2019 DeLeon-Figueroa, Luis F.
07/29/2019 Kreischer, Brandon Jay
07/29/2019 Nance, Michael Isaiah
07/17/2019 Saldana, Slayton
07/13/2019 Sartor, James G.

http://icasualties.org/App/AfghanFatalities

May they rest in peace. There are shit-tons of right-wing idiots who keep claiming zero Americans have died in Afghanistan in Trump's last 18 months; tell that asinine LIE to the families of these soldiers.

Obviously, if you were attempting to change the subject of Trump's perpetual praise and appeasement of Putin, choosing to highlight the deaths of Americans under Trump's watch would be an asinine choice considering the hundreds of thousands of Americans who died because of Trump. Cue Bashi and his COVID count.

Under yer moron, Biden.. 18 American soldiers killed.. All because of BIDEN'S incompetence..

Using the "Mike Metric" of dead soldier ineptitude, Trump is the hands down winner of incompetence in that regard. I reiterate that it takes a special kind of stupid to believe that zero American soldiers died in a theater of war that size over an 18-month period of time. It boggles the mind how stupid and possessing of a rock-bottom level of ignorance you would have to be in order to believe that asinine bullshit claim.

Biden is allowing Putin to carve up Ukraine and likely take over the whole country...

Is that your "prediction"? Because Biden hasn't exactly allowed Putin to carve up Ukraine; you are just inventing bullshit that hasn't happened and claiming it already has.

So, who really is the treasonous piece of shit, eh??

Donald Trump. He is giving aid to our enemy. If you think his praise of Putin isn't being run on a loop on Russian state propaganda media, then you are that special kind of stupid who'd be dumb enough to make the claim that zero United States soldiers died over an 18-month period of time in a country that is comparable in size to the State of Texas. That is the kind of ignorance so stupid it burns.

From all the available FACTS... It's Joe Biden..

Coming from the poster who is repeatedly demonstrably incapable of discerning facts from utter nonsensical total bullshit; it is to laugh. *laughs*

And add incompetent and senile to that as well..

Said the prattling useful idiot claiming that zero soldiers died over an 18-month period in a theater of war. Call Joe Biden senile if you wish, but even old Joe isn't dumb enough to believe the stupid shit you just posted in your typical knee-jerk exercises of deflection and whataboutism. Joe is an expert at foreign policy and not an ignorant fool like you who is dumb enough to believe ridiculous right-wing nonsense that doesn't even pass the common sense test.

Joe also isn't dumb enough to bend over in praise of Vladimir Putin like Donald Trump has done on multiple occasions.

The *ONLY* "legitimate" concern Russia/Putin has is that NATO's expansion is foiling Putin's plans to reconstitute the USSR...

A civilized member of the society of nations has no reason to fear NATO expansion..

This is well documented FACT....

If any nation fears NATO expansion, it's SOLELY because said nation wants to rape and pillage neighboring countries..

Fini.... End of discussion...

France doesn't fear NATO expansion... North Korea does..

The UK doesn't fear NATO expansion... Iran does....

Spain doesn't fear NATO expansion... Russia does...

Is ANYONE here missing the pattern???

WHY??

Why is expanding NATO (the good guys) to counter JUST SUCH AN OCCURRENCE of Russia/USSR designs on world dominance??

If Russia was truly expanding into a democratic institution, then they would have no cause to fear a NATO expansion??

Put another way...

Why would Italy fear an expansion of ALLIED influence in the aftermath of WWII?? If Italy was truly contrite and had forsaken it's fascist ways, there is no cause to fear allied expansion...

It's only if Italy wanted to return to it's fascist ways would it fear an Allied expansion in the theater of operations...

NATO are the good guys.. There is no reason to fear an expansion of NATO unless those that fear such are the bad guys...

But, this is how you ALWAYS operate - by constantly and consistently putting words in our mouths and completely and, I would say, purposefully misunderstanding and misinterpreting just in the name of being argumentative for the sake of argument.

"There you go again..."
-Saint Ronald Reagan

Making things personal... I am simply pointing out your own words and your own claims.. And I am explaining to you why you are wrong using those words and claims...

Russia, in the form of Putin, is in the wrong here.. Pure and simple... NATO is on the side of the angels here...

These are the facts...

as i said, i was aware you weren't really casting blame. but again, this is the absolute wrong time to have a discussion of Russia's legitimate concerns, because right now putin's doing quite a bit of illegitimate conquest.

JL

Liz seems to believe it's a mistake to expand NATO??

WHY???

No, Liz believes that it was a mistake to expand NATO in the early nineties right up to the edge of the former Soviet Union, just after the USSR had collapsed and a fledgling democracy in Russia was trying to take shape.

In fact, I have argued on more than one occasion that it would be worth having a debate about offering admission to NATO to Russia. But, that was a long time ago and that time has passed, seemingly forever.

Is that clear enough for you?

But, this is how you ALWAYS operate - by constantly and consistently putting words in our mouths and completely and, I would say, purposefully misunderstanding and misinterpreting just in the name of being argumentative for the sake of argument.

I have precious little time for that nonsense. (I happen to off work today and stressing myself out over a few things and being here today helps, funnily enough)

This piece is about why Americans and America should care about what is happening in Ukraine.

I gave one reason why they should both care.

I can't dumb it down any more than that...

Allow me to rephrase...

Any COUNTRY or GROUP that opposes NATO expansion are the bad guys....

That's the point I was trying to get across..

WHAT mistakes has NATO made in the here and now???

Liz seems to believe it's a mistake to expand NATO??

WHY???

NATO has never instigated hostilities and never had ANY expansionist designs on world power..

NO COUNTRY that is civilized and had/has designs on expanding their territory contrary to world order has EVER been given cause to be concerned about NATO expansion...

The ONLY countries that are concerned about NATO expansion are the AXIS OF EVIL... Countries who want to wage war on the neighbors.. Country who want to posses by conquest that which they cannot possess by diplomacy and negotiation....

It's like the groups that want to defund the police..

WHY do they want to defund the police?? Because they want to commit crimes without LEO interference..

Those countries that oppose NATO expansion want to be free to rape and pillage their neighbors without NATO interference..

NATO are the good guys... ANYONE who opposes NATO expansion are the bad guys...

I can't dumb it down any more than that...

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Now THAT was funny!! :D

Who knew that vick was such a comedian.... :D

i know you were being more nuanced than simply casting blame, but a discussion of what the US and NATO might have done differently to prevent Russia's current actions, goes right along with mistakes made in the Treaty of Versailles. yes, the allies could certainly learn some lessons about how not to be sore winners, but that's a discussion you have in 1946 after the nazis have been crushed, not in 1938 when they've just annexed the Sudetenland.

JL

And if Biden allows Putin to steamroll over Ukraine, you can bet that China will take that as a go-signal to take Taiwan...

Looks my claim was prescient...

Chinese media accidentally posts CCP rules on Russia-Ukraine coverage, hint at Taiwan takeover

One outlet appeared to accidentally post guidelines on what should and should not be published, while an editor from another outlet weighed in with guidance on language and approaches that he believed necessary in walking a fine line.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-news-media-rules-russia-ukraine-coverage

Looks like China is going to make a move on Taiwan....

Biden and the Democrats are SOOOO toast in November....

Biden interviews 3 Supreme Court candidates: Jackson, Kruger, Childs
Biden will announce his pick before the end of February, the White House says
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-interviews-supreme-court-candidates-jackson-kruger-childs

Selected from only TWO PERCENT of the availability..

The percentages dictate that the chances of a quality and competent nominee present in ONLY 2% of the availability pool is vanishingly small...

Stop wasting my time. I am done here. Though, knowing me and how much of a sucker for punishement I quite obviously am, I'll be back.

OK... So we are in agreement...

This ISN'T about having rational discussions about current on-topic events..

It's all about preserving an echo chamber that can RAH RAH Democrats while ignoring the facts and the reality..

Hay, I am good ta go either way...

Just want to make sure I am dancing to the proper tune, eh??? :D

If Putin is allowed to succeed in Ukraine, you can bet that Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are next on his hit list..

And if Biden allows Putin to steamroll over Ukraine, you can bet that China will take that as a go-signal to take Taiwan...

And ALL of this happens with the backdrop of the US midterm elections...

I tell ya, it really can't get much worse for Joe Biden and the Democrats, eh??

What are your thoughts if Putin moves into Poland and tries Ukraine-esque tactics there??

Russia has Kaliningrad which is perfectly positioned to strike into Poland or Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia..

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kaliningrad,+Kaliningrad+Oblast,+Russia/@54.2314112,19.6311338,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x46e33d8d4b7c21a9:0x5050960016126ed3!8m2!3d54.7104264!4d20.4522144

This fits nicely into Putin's designs to re-make the USSR...

What are your thoughts on that???

No, I am reading them..

You claimed NATO expanding right up to the old USSR's doorstep was a mistake..

But you don't provide WHY you think that's a mistake..

I was with the military during the heady time of the collapse of the USSR... I speak from personal experience when I say that was the BEST time to expand NATO...

Again, I point out... Russia sans Putin has NOTHING to fear from NATO...

NATO is ONLY a threat to Putin's plan to reconstitute the old USSR...

That's why I am perplexed on your claim that expanding NATO is a "mistake"...

Cut from pretty much the same cloth, too. :)

Not really.. But YOU believe it's the case...

Which makes your support of Putin in the Ukraine issue VERY puzzling..

I can see why you are perplexed. You are not understanding one word I write.

Stop wasting my time. I am done here. Though, knowing me and how much of a sucker for punishement I quite obviously am, I'll be back.

Cut from pretty much the same cloth, too. :)

Still not reading my comments, I see.

Which mistakes has NATO made??

From where I sit, a soldier who has WORKED and BLED under NATO auspices and seen NATO in action up close...

The ONLY mistake NATO has made in recent history is to trust Biden to do right by NATO in Afghanistan..

That's really the only mistake NATO has made to date...

Ukraine will NEVER be ready to join NATO!

That's not up to you to decide.. That is up to Ukraine and NATO to decide..

Because the expansion went practically right up to the former USSR's doorstep at a time when it had just collapsed and needed help from the West and was just at the very beginnings of democracy building.

So???

A Russia NOT under Putin's control has nothing to fear from NATO..

You don't HONESTLY believe that Putin is a legitimate ruler, do you??

How Putin finagled and bent the laws out of shape to remain in power long enough to CHANGE the law so he COULD remain in power indefinitely..

Putin is EVERYTHING you accuse President Trump of being..

Which is why I am perplexed that you take his side on the issue of Ukraine..

History could have been so different, in a better sort of way!

Yes, but we go with the history we have not the history we wish we had..

And, right now, Putin is trying to recreate the USSR in a cold war mold..

And the US should do it's utmost to stop him..

Hello?

Apologies.. I am tearing down our old jacuzzi to make room for the new one..

http://mfccfl.us/OldJacuzzi.jpg

It's a tough slough what with my recent surgery and all..

What do you have against NATO???

Nothing. Nothing at all. I love NATO. Always have.

Remember, I started following Biden and American politics in 1987 BECAUSE of my interest in US foreign policy and global affairs. I am an internationalist in the truest sense of the word.

While NATO has made mistakes - who hasn't - I believe it to be an absolutely indispensible institution.

So, that question you pose is one better directed to your hero.

Yep. That is what I'm talking about, in a nutshell. Ahem.

What mistakes were made???

Offering country's the protection of an alliance??

How is that a mistake???

Consequently it has been very hard to learn from history or from those mistakes, obviously.

Except, of course, if there were no mistakes made..

Under THOSE facts, everything becomes clear..

What do you have against NATO???

NATO has a right to admit whatever country it wants to admit and to deny admission to any country it wants.

Ukraine will NEVER be ready to join NATO!

Except for the fact that, under President Trump, NATO grew STRONGER.. President Trump forced NATO members to step up and pull their own weight..

Of course, that all stopped when Democrats and Biden came to power..

Under Biden and the Democrats US = NATO... NATO can't stand without the US...

Consequently it has been very hard to learn from history or from those mistakes, obviously.

Yes.. In Putin's mind, Ukraine in NATO is a real security concern..

But Putin's mind is stuck back in the glory days of the USSR...

Ukraine is it's own sovereign country now.. And if it wants to join NATO, it has that right..

Pure and simple...

NATO has never given ANY country legitimate reason to fear NATO expansion...

This is the cold hard fact of the issue..

NATO expansion is ONLY a threat to Putin's expansion... Putin wants to rebuild the USSR..

NATO says NO....

NATO is on the side of the angels..

End of story...

Whatever is left, Trump will be sure to finish them off. And, then the real fun will begin.

Well, that's what things look like from this side of the table, Liz...

WOW... That's a helluva compliment you just gave JL... :D

And, as for YOU, Michale, let me know when you want to engage in a serious discussion.

This is EXACTLY what I am talking about, Liz..

You have more than a DOZEN comments that are ALL about a "serious discussion"...

But yer problem is you define "serious discussion" as anything that YOU agree with..

That's been the ENTIRE problem in Weigantia™... The definition of "serious discussion" is whatever everyone agrees with..

Trump is bad... THAT is a "serious discussion"

Republicans are bad... THAT is a "serious discussion"...

And so on and so on and so on..

But when someone comes along and upsets the apple cart... Points to FACTS that show how bad Biden and the Democrats REALLY are... THAT is not a serious discussion...

To quote you..

"GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK!"

I give you more than a dozen comments that promote a REAL serious discussion, not the faux ditto head crap that passed for "serious discussions" here in Weigantia™ during my absence...

Which simply proves that Ditto Head yea uh huh... yea... yer right... uh huh uh huh is all you REALLY want..

This is exactly why I win every actual serious discussion and debate here..

Because NO ONE comes to the table armed with ANY facts..

Just Left Wing definitions on what the meaning of 'is' is...

:^/

I accept ya'all's concession..

AGAIN...

GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK!

And, while you're doing that, grow up.

Oh, wait ... that will happen just the far side of NEVER!

Leave me alone.

So... Russia invading Ukraine is our fault?

"Take off, ya hoser"
-strange brew

Sigh. I really hate it when you pull a Michale.

I didn't think I needed to explain my point about providing a bit of history. Something about learning from our mistakes, maybe?!

Double sigh.