Well, I am sure glad there is no suppression of free speech amongst the Left Wingery..

Cause that would just be sad, eh?? :^/

Michale

Michale

"Your reasoning was to use the German speed limit (or in this case, lack thereof) for the US...

Which is why I told you that you were completely fraked in the head if you thought that what would work over there would work here. Hence the comparison to the drinking age in Germany vis a vis here in the US..
"

Your reading comprehension is as pathetic as your arguments.

I used the safety statistics from Germany, not the lack of speed limits to prove the case.
Physics and materials science do not vary by country numbnuts.

The drinking age argument was a strawman, not a comparison.

I know definitions and context don't matter to trolls, or wingnuts, or wingnut trolls, but hey, I'm sure that didn't keep you from patting yourself on the back.

I don't expect trolls to man up and apologize though.

BTW- every time I mention the troll, wingnut, or serial liar, you respond because you know I'm addressing you.
Nobody else here qualifies.
And you know it too.

Well said.... :D

Michale

Global Warming Forecasts May Be Flawed
https://in.news.yahoo.com/climate-forecasts-may-flawed-says-170007812.html

I am SHOCKED!!!! SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!!!

:D

Michale

obama hasn't had to do much of anything to mint new democratic voters. the republican debates did more on that count than a porous border ever could (if that's true, which based on your citation there's no way to tell).

you're right about obama's hypocrisy on transparency though. that campaign promise wasn't just broken, it was shattered like a crystal vase dropped from the sears tower.

JL

Previous Administrations are not blameless with the illegal immigrant problem.. There's enough blood to cover MANY administration's hands...

But you have to admit. Obama has gone way out of his way and expended a buttload of political capital to mint millions of fresh new Democrat voters..

Michale

Michale

"Could you say that into my GOOD ear. I coulda swore ya just called me 'Ace'."
-Ace Ventura

:D

still, it would be nice to know one way or another what the real numbers have been.

Michale

you got me on that one. still, it would be nice to know one way or another what the real numbers have been.

So, you are making an "unwise" comparison.. :D

Michale

It's been well documented..

why can't the numbers be teased back apart? e.g. if the number is 65,000 can't we get a reasonable estimate based on previous statistics?

Because now it's impossible to know which numbers are from what category..

It would require the Obama Administration to tell the reporting agencies to revert back to the old labels..

And Obama ain't about to do that and prove to the world what a liar he is...

Michale

JL

It is..

Which means there is no evidence that Obama has actually increased deportations..

But we CAN use simple logic to make the case that he hasn't..

The following is an example of stats for 2008:

10,000 RETURNS

5,000 TBS

50,000 DEPORTATIONS

Now, let's assume that, in 2009, the numbers stay the same..

BUT.... For 2009, the current administration decides to lump ALL of the numbers into a single DEPORTATIONS number. Which, incidentially is exactly what happened..

So now.... The number looks like this..

65,000 DEPORTATIONS

Lo and behold.. The new administration has INCREASED deportations!!!! WOWSA!!!!

Of course, that's not the case... But because the administration has changed the counting labels, it LOOKS like it's the case...

Michale

yes, that would definitely be the case.

But this little side-trip proves beyond any doubt what I said before..
Ya'all don't accept any facts that prove you wrong..

i'm neither accepting nor rejecting your commentary on border statistics, pending hard data to substantiate your claims. i'm certainly open to being proven wrong here, you just haven't made the numerical case yet. care to expand your argument to include hard data from both the bush and obama admins? the article you cited seems to indicate that a comparison is too difficult to even attempt:

(Table 39: Aliens Removed and Returned, FY 1892-2012) his cumulative numbers since taking office show Obama has removed a total of 1,974,688 people and returned 1,609,055 others. There have been more returns than removals only in FY 2009 and 2010. Moreover, comparing across administrations is not wise given the changes in law and counting procedures.

JL

And if you apply Obama's methodology to the Bush years, you would discover that Bush kicked out tons more people than Obama... That, by comparison, Obama hasn't kicked out ANY people...

Obama is simply using a different way of counting than Bush did to make Obama's numbers look better than they are..

It's called "spin"... Maybe you've heard of it.. :D

Michale

Really???

but it sure seems to me like they mean he kicked out more people than bush, not less.

Of course, it SEEMS to you that this is the case.. Despite ALL the facts to the contrary..

Let me explain it to you...

The Obama Administration has changed the definition of "deported".. In changing the definition, they increase the number of "deported", even though the actual deportations have gone way down..

Put another way..

It would be as if we, here in Weigantia, changed the definition of "correct" to mean "those with the most posts"... Under the NEW definition, I am ALWAYS correct....

You get it??

But this little side-trip proves beyond any doubt what I said before..

Ya'all don't accept any facts that prove you wrong..

Michale

But......

Lies, damned lies, and Obama’s deportation statistics
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/21/lies-damned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/

Michale

That's because Obama has ordered that BP officers DON'T ARREST any more...

They just TBS and viola...

The border is more secure....

It's all bullshit...

Michale

But the FACTS say other wise..

High deportation figures are misleading

But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

Obama hasn't been deporting MORE illegal immigrants.. He has been deporting MUCH LESS...

The only change is how deported illegals are counted...

You see???

You have the Obama myths..

And you have the facts..

Which are you going to accept??

Silly question.. :D

Michale

are you kidding? deportations under obama have been rampant, whether the person deserves it or not!

https://newrepublic.com/article/117412/deportations-under-obama-vs-bush-who-deported-more-immigrants

How many hundreds or thousands of Americans would be alive and living happy lives if your guy Obama would DO HIS JOB when it comes to combating illegal immigrants!?

So next time ya'all feel the need to whine and cry hysterically about the Republicans who don't do their jobs!??

Don't...

Ya'all have absolutely no moral foundation whatsoever...

Michale

Touche'

But the point is, that it's the government's job to PREVENT illegal immigrants from ENTERING this country...

NOT throw out a welcome mat for them... Which is EXACTLY what the Obama Administration has done...

For a person who has had a family member brutally raped or killed by an illegal.....

That's just adding insult to injury...

And all for what!!??

To get more freshly minted voters for Democrats...

Do you think it's by accident that illegal immigrants are referred to as "Undocumented Democrats"??

Michale

But, I doubt that the particular stat, even if it IS accurate, is a comfort to the parents of Kathleen Steinle or any of the other hundreds of thousands of Americans and their families who have been the victims of illegal immigrant violent crimes....

i'm sure the families of victims of most violent crimes don't say, "well, he may have raped and murdered my sister, but hey, at least he's an american!"

JL

Your reasoning was to use the German speed limit (or in this case, lack thereof) for the US...

Which is why I told you that you were completely fraked in the head if you thought that what would work over there would work here. Hence the comparison to the drinking age in Germany vis a vis here in the US..

While it would be nice for you to man up and actually address me, I have come to expect nothing but childishness and immaturity from you...

Michale

Fine.. But you don't get to say "They are less likely to commit criminal acts than the general community" because, simply by BEING in this country illegally, they are committing "criminal acts"....

So I am being 100% factually accurate when I say that 100% of the illegal immigrant community commit criminal acts..

Now, if YA'ALL want to be 100% factually accurate (like me :D), you have to say "They are less likely to commit violent criminal acts than the general community"...

THAT is factually accurate..

But, I doubt that the particular stat, even if it IS accurate, is a comfort to the parents of Kathleen Steinle or any of the other hundreds of thousands of Americans and their families who have been the victims of illegal immigrant violent crimes....

The fact of the matter is the "general community" have the RIGHT to be in this country...

That's the difference that makes ALL the difference...

Michale

As for the increased speed limits, it would seem that MY reasoning was convincing as it is now the law of the land and works just fine, so the trolls depiction would seem to be the specious one.

Of course, it was a left/right coalition that made it possible, so it wasn't my reasoning alone, but rather a widespread understanding that facts matter when new policies are being considered... except to wingnut trolls who try to cram every issue into their narrow and twisted ideology to attempt to make points they can't substantiate while using quotes that bear no relation to the subject.

Just pathetic.

yes, being in the country without permission is a crime. but if that's the statistic we're looking at, let's not pretend these crimes are rape or murder. when one adds up all state and federal cases, rates of violent crime among undocumented immigrants is consistently lower than among the native-born.

JL

Michale

Sorry.. Tortured syntax...

That should read:

It's not that important. I have always maintained that, of all Weigantians, you were the most even handed and rational....

My bust...

Michale

if it's really that important to you, i'll go search back through old threads to find my prior posts to the same effect.

It's not that important to you. I have always maintained that, of all Weigantians, you were the most even handed and rational....

on this thread, you've been wrong so many times it's practically comical.

....until recently, that is.. :^/

But I chalk it up to your severe case of TDS, so...

No harm, no foul.. :D

Michale

The scumbag illegal immigrant/criminal (I know. Redundant) that killed Kathleen Steinle had been deported several times. So, yes. A border wall would have saved her life..

2. They are less likely to commit criminal acts than the general community

Bullshit.. 100% of the illegal immigrant community commits criminal acts..

3. Illegal immigrants can't vote and there is no evidence of material voter fraud

No evidence that you would accept. But, as has been aptly proven, ya'all won't accept ANY evidence that proves ya'all wrong..

After Dunblane and Tasmania Britain and Australia put gun control laws in place - neither have had any mass shooting since.

Again with the bullshit. Britain and Australia didn't put gun control laws in place..

They put gun BANS in place....

But ya'all have gone on and on about how ya'all are NOT talking about gun BANS..

Now the truth comes out. Ya'all ARE talking about gun bans... Nice ta have ya'all out of the closet.. :D

Michale

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2015/11/05/opw1510/#comment-66095

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2013/05/06/opw1304/#comment-36532

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/01/19/economic-optimism/#comment-18993

it wasn't intentional.

at the time, i was looking through the other thread, not this one. regardless, it's nothing i haven't written before about obama. if it's really that important to you, i'll go search back through old threads to find my prior posts to the same effect. on this thread, you've been wrong so many times it's practically comical.

JL

Every combination I use means Trump needs CA to get to 1237 - care to try? I predict he will do it, but it is going to be squeaky bum time in late May for everybody (and you know my prediction accuracy).

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/can-you-get-trump-to-1237/

D- Bernie
R- Cruz

I can't be too pleased with myself, I just read the polls on this one.

It's that simple...

Some simple facts:
1. The illegal immigrant community is already here - the wall won't do anything about them, in fact it will keep them in (which is why my original point, while tongue-in-cheek was accurate
2. They are less likely to commit criminal acts than the general community
3. Illegal immigrants can't vote and there is no evidence of material voter fraud
4. After Dunblane and Tasmania Britain and Australia put gun control laws in place - neither have had any mass shooting since. We don't have any gun control laws, we have feel better laws that don't work.

These are all simple facts that you will ignore because they don't fit your world view.

Do you think the troll is unaware that higher speed limits "work" in this country?

Or that solar and wind are the fastest growing segment of new energy supplies in the world and America?

Or that the country didn't collapse when gay marriage became law?

Or that opening up relations with Cuba isn't about us becoming like Cuba?

Or that projection can be bloody obvious sometimes?

Anybody?

I'm guessing the troll was actually thinking (stretch) about single payer healthcare for all... but that doesn't explain the portion of my comment he quoted.

Here's a bit of wisdom from Confucius-

Only a fool would fail to adopt a good idea simply because it was not his own.

A

Gay marriage, solar and wind, fisheries management, Cuba...

yea, cuz Germans and Cubans and Americans are ALL exactly alike..

I spent quite a bit of time in Germany. Bavaria region...

Why is it that every starry eyed Left Winger thinks that what works in one country, in one society will work in every other country and society..

Morons...

Michale

Being on the right side of history... er, correct side... sure beats the alternative.
Ahem.

The apartheid victory was sweet too.

Oh, and my final for Speech in HS was about getting rid of the 55 mph speed limit... using safety stats from Germany... brings a smile to my face every time I hit a 65 or 75 zone.

Gay marriage, solar and wind, fisheries management, Cuba...

Always more to do and always pathetic trolls in the way.

A

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/03/31/convention-dreams/#comment-73170

Oh jesus, Joshua!!!

You posted that comment in the other thread AFTER I made my comment in this thread... :D

So, yes.. At the time I made the comment I *WAS* correct... :D

Nice try though...

Michale

Ahhhhh That explains a lot.. :D

It's not "taking your ball and going home", it's called being unwilling to support more of the same.

I actually understand and fully support that.. It's the exact same point I have been making for years..

Those who always settle for half a loaf have NO foundation to bitch and moan when they can't get quality candidates...

Michale

Everyday Americans aren't buying the faux-Trump "scandals" that the Left Wingery is selling...

Better get used to President Trump, my friends.. :D

Michale

Having attended 6 smoke-ins in DC, I can personally attest that the risk of arrest is actually quite small... or, at least used to be... as my time on the front lines was 88-94... back when it was hopeless.
Plain clothed types taking pictures of everybody was pretty much the limit of draconian oppression... plus we got an official escort for safety for the march from Lafayette Park to the Lincoln memorial.

I witnessed more arrests at the anti-apartheid punk percussion protests in Lafayette and at the S. African embassy.

Moving on...
Kind of amazing when the Democratic frontrunner is set to have lost seven out of the last eight contests by MASSIVE LANDSLIDES.
And I'm surprised there was no mention of the supposed victory for Bernie in Nevada once all the votes were finally counted... though I'm not sure it's official yet.
Hillary is such an inevitable, strong candidate.

Hillary losing her cool to a Greenpeace activist should have been the MDDOTW.
Hillary taking millions from fossil fuel interests while claiming to be progressive and to worry about climate change and then freaking out for being asked about the TRUTH is pathetic.

Whether it's banker money, oil money, pharma money, insurer money or MIC money and her warmongering, Bernie supporters have very good reasons to be reluctant to promise support for her.

Voters taking a principled stand does not disappoint me in the least.

Of course, my personal opinion is that that the status quo which Hillary defends wholeheartedly is wackadoodle craziness on par with what the Trumpon is supporting.

Obama's failure to prosecute the Bushie torturing war criminals has enabled the current repub candidates to embrace that disgusting policy.
Obama's failure to prosecute Wall Street fraud has enabled fraud to continue and likely to get worse.
Obama kept us in Afghanistan and has bombed 7 predominantly Muslim countries and is little different than Bush.
Obama has effected, attempted or supported regime change in Venezuela, Honduras, Ukraine, Libya, Yemen, Egypt, Bahrain and Syria and is little different than Bush.
The continuation of the Global War on Terror policies that the CIA's own website documents that the number of terrorists has grown 1200%... yes 12 times as many today since 2001. Proof of failure should be cause to reevaluate these policies... but no, Hillary is even more gung ho.
More women have lost access to reproductive rights under Obama than during any period of repub rule and I couldn't even find a major speech by Obama or Hillary about that reality.
More voters have been disenfranchised through voter suppression under Obama than with Bush with next to no pushback.
Inequality increased under Obama to levels not seen since the 30's.
NSA and FBI Constitutional violations of American's rights continued to worsen under Obama.
Oil exports, fracking in National Forests, the attempt to open up the East coast to extraction, corporate healthcare, corporate subsidies, shrinking unions, the grand bargain attempt, a trillion dollars for new nuclear weapons, ever growing "defense" budgets, etc. etc. etc... the neolibcon establishment under Obama and what will continue under Hillary has been disgusting.

If Bernie doesn't make it, I will be voting for Jill Stein of the Green Party and won't feel the slightest bit hesitant about it.

It's not "taking your ball and going home", it's called being unwilling to support more of the same.

If you look at the list above, the "Republicans are worse" argument that is the centerpiece of Hillary's campaign rings rather hollow.

Let's hope this novel makes it through the filter.

BTW, I left you a little note on the Conventions post too.

A

PS- Hope you feel better.

THAT major trend??

Why not say what you mean??

The hundreds of thousands of Americans killed, raped, robbed and assaulted are not reliable Democrat voters..

Illegal immigrants are...

It's that simple...

Michale

There's GOT to be a political angle there somewhere. :D

He asked what the difference was and I said "The Yankees peanuts you can eat right now- but the Mets peanuts you have to wait 'til next year."

hehehehehehehehe

Now THAT was funny!!! :D

Michale

The ONLY reason Democrats want the status quo on the border is so they can mint millions of fresh new Democrat voters...

Michale

Not to the Steinles, it's not...

"ask the parents of all the kids killed in school shootings if they are happy with gun control",

If gun control would have prevented school shootings, then you would have a point.

But it won't, so you don't...

Good laws and policy are not made by individual instances, but by major trends.

You mean a major trend such as hundreds of thousands of Americans being killed, raped, robbed and assaulted by illegal immigrants??

THAT major trend??

Michale

Silly argument. I could respond with "ask the parents of all the kids killed in school shootings if they are happy with gun control", but that would be, as Anderson Cooper points out, a five year old argument, just like yours.

Good laws and policy are not made by individual instances, but by major trends.

So, what are you saying??

That we don't need a border wall because there is no illegal immigrant problem??

Well, let's ask Kathleen Steinle about that...

Oh wait... We can't. She was brutally murdered by an illegal immigrant scumbag...

Maybe you can try and convince her parents that we don't need a border wall...

Good luck with that.. :^/

Michale

Why are we building a wall again? To keep Mexicans in the U.S.?

Nobody said Trump was educated.

Source:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/03/31/10-demographic-trends-that-are-shaping-the-u-s-and-the-world/

hehehehehehe

Now THAT was funny...

BOTH times.. :D

Michale

Oh wait.. It was already done..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeOkybuCXX0

Turns out Trump supporters are laid back and easy going and Bernie supporters are violent pricks...

Facts don't lie, people... :D

Michale

I think it's exciting when the batter steps up to the goal and belts a touchdown right out of the arena, runs around the court and then takes the checkered flag!!

It's awesome!!!

:D

Michale

Michale

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/03/31/convention-dreams/#comment-73170

OK....

So, you agree that Trump's rise is a direct result of the incompetence of Obama and the Democrat Party.

That being the case, then I concede I was wrong about you. YOU can find fault with Obama and the Democrat Party and can give them the blame when they deserve it..

:D

Michale

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
-Dr Martin Luther King Jr

I guess we're not there yet. :D heh

Michale

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
-Dr Martin Luther King Jr

I guess we're not there yet. :D heh

Michale

So, we agree...

Discussing this is pointless... :D

Michale

My fantasy baseball team though, that may stand a chance.

I'd love to see a Jays-Giants world series!

I'd really love to see a Jays-Giants world series!

I think we will have another parade for my guys in SF

Trump is Satan, Stalin and Hitler all rolled into one..

Trump is not Hitler! But Satan (red devil) and Stalin (jaundice) combined would result in the Trump (Oompa-Loompa orange). ;)

your concession of the point is again accepted.

not exactly...

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/11/trumps_not_hitler_hes_mussolini_how_gop_anti_intellectualism_created_a_modern_fascist_movement_in_america/

incorrect, as usual (but not always).

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/03/31/convention-dreams/#comment-73170

AND, as I stated, you ignore it with a "well, that's different"..

It's UNCANNY that it's ALWAYS different... :D

Let's face the facts here.

You won't accept ANYTHING that puts Trump in a good light and/or puts ANYONE with a '-D' after their name in a bad light..

Given that you have just PROVEN this (AGAIN) beyond any doubt, you can understand why any further discussion is pointless..

Democrats are pure as the driven snow..

Trump is Satan, Stalin and Hitler all rolled into one..

So say you all.... :^/

Michale

oh, now it's on!

heh.

JL

We're going to see winning all over the place. There'll be so much winning that everyone in Canada is going to become sick of winning. The Blue Jays will get tweets about time to stop winning for a change and give us all a break!

yankees opening day is tomorrow.

JL

FINALLY, something factual! and almost true! the supporter had spread her arms to encircle and hug abedin, which was rejected physically and verbally - i guess she's not a hugger. no bruises, no actual violence, but still, you get credit for providing something specific enough to be falsifiable.

JL

"It's been a spectacle. It's like a reality show. I have friends in Germany who can't believe it. It's been like Last Man Standing (was that a reality show?)...Presidential Idol. The dumbing down of the public. Terrible."

Michale, 4/3/2016

now where have i heard those things before, hmmm.... oh yeah, now i remember....

There WILL be a reckoning on Benghazi... You can take that to the bank...

Michale, 11/5/2012

just as my insane optimism about the midterms was demonstrably incorrect, so shall yours be in the presidential election - if not sooner.

JL

Yea.. And proving you wrong is a "dodge"... :D

As I said, if that's what ya want to call it, far be it from me to dissuade you... :D

Michale

And Huma shoved a Hillary supporter who tried to ask Hillary a pesky question.....

Where is your indignation over that??

There is none because violence from the Left is perfectly acceptable to you..

Michale

i accept your concession.

JL

Yes. Of course. Including Republicans all the way back to Lincoln!

like Michelle Fields "tried" to attack trump, by moving too close and using all those pesky vocal cords to ask questions?

JL

You only acknowledge what you want to see.. You only believe what you want to believe...

But, as I said.. It's academic...

Michale

Once Hillary is indicted, there won't be a Democrat who could be elected dog catcher..

Ya'all better get used to President Trump, because it's inevitable...

Michale

no, trump's verbal attacks are not violence. but when someone is punched, kicked, thrown, spit-on, grabbed or otherwise manhandled on trump's behalf, in his presence and with his explicit encouragement, THEN it's violence. here's another of those specific examples you seem to have such a difficult time finding:

https://www.rt.com/usa/337735-teenager-assaulted-trump-rally/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/31/trump-rallies-are-getting-more-violent-by-the-week.html

Yer right..

It IS getting worse..

That's a Bernie supporter that PHYSICALLY tried to attack Trump...

You prove my point for me..

Michale