Back up your assertion and only then can we move on.

I am still waiting for you to finish YOUR turn first...

Did that article that you allegedly read give you a name of somebody who was unconstitutionally or illegally sent to CECOT.

Yes or No...

Says the guy who admits to moving the goal posts. I backed my shit up. Your turn...

I was simply combining your comment and jl's comment.

Why don't you answer the question??

Did that article that you allegedly read give you a name of somebody who was unconstitutionally or illegally sent to CECOT.

Yes or No...

What's up with the change to unconstitutionally deported? Can't handle the original question?

You have also been unable to provide me a SINGLE FACT or a SINGLE NAME that says someone was unconstitutionally deported and/or sent to CECOT..

Therefore I have no choice but to call BULLSHIT on ya'all's claim...

My facts stand as validated because you two are unable to provide ANY facts that support ya'all's claims..

and yes I read the article.

OK Great...

And did the article list a name of a person who was unconstitutionally sent to CECOT or unconstitutionally deported??

Please point to ANY action that Judge Griffin took that was "unconstitutional"...

You want to play semantics with words? The relief that Griffin sought in having multiple ballots invalidated was unconstitutional in multiple instances... so sayeth a Trump-appointed judge. I point you to the Court's order citing the unconstitutionality of Griffin and the North Carolina Supreme Court's actions:

Accordingly, the court FINDS as follows:

1. Retroactive invalidation of absentee ballots cast by overseas military and civilian voters violates those voters' substantive due process rights;

2. The cure process violates the equal protection rights of overseas military and civilian voters; and

3. The lack of any notice or opportunity for eligible voters to contest their mistaken designation as Never Residents violates procedural due process and represents an
unconstitutional burden on the right to vote.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nced.214953/gov.uscourts.nced.214953.125.0.pdf

Educate yourself.

And, since ALL of Judge Griffin's actions were taken THRU THE LEGAL SYSTEM, the claim that his actions were "lawless" is laughable on it's face...

So you believe anything done "THRU THE LEGAL SYSTEM" means the actions aren't "lawless"? Wow! So you've never heard of perjury or someone using the legal system to illegally coerce or intimidate another defendant and/or witness, and you've never heard of filing a false police report "THRU THE LEGAL SYSTEM." That really is "laughable on its face."

Anything to not back your shit up? Trying to move the goal posts again? My point was most of those who were sent to El Salvador were not criminals. You then wanted "one name" that was illegally sent to CECOT even though the article in question has many, then it's "unconstitutionally deported", now what's it going to be? Face it dude, you are talking out your ass, and yes I read the article.

At least you conclusively proved one thing, you are incapable of not being a jerk...

It's rather ironic, eh?? :D

That depends entirely on what "it" is and what you believe to be the definition of "irony."

NO WHERE does CW mention President Trump in his commentary, except twice where it is a VERY periphery presence.

NOWHERE does CW mention President Trump... except twice. *laughs* No, that isn't "irony," but it is a word that begins with the letter "i," and I would wager Bashi in particular could provide it.

Yet, commenters mention President Trump TWELVE TIMES!!!

Some of us have the ability to connect dots from one commentary to another. You should try it; although, fair warning that it's infinitely more intellectually complicated that counting to 12.

It's a FASCINATING study..

Got a link to that "study," or are you just going to spew out some invented BS and ascribe it to the other commenters you obsess over? Rhetorical question.

Although there isn't a single specific term in psychology for people who SO intensely hates a person and cannot stop thinking about or talking about them, the behavior can be described using several concepts.

Please do explain Trump's contempt for Joe Biden and your repetitive slurs of Democratic candidates and former presidents and the constant disparagement of commenters who don't suck at the teat of Your Orange Worship, the 34-time convicted "scumbag criminal" (your term).

There oughta be a name for it.. :D

There is: Jerk.

I'll be checking in now and again to keep everyone honest... :D

But right now, I belong to my lovely wife.. :D

See ya'all...

Hay, talk to Bash!! :D

:D

The claim that Jefferson Griffin’s challenge to the 2024 North Carolina Supreme Court election threatened democracy in ANY way is a complete and utter exaggeration that is totally negated by a logical and rational examination of the facts.

So you're saying it's logical and rational to request that 60,000+ people's votes be disqualified based on a losing candidate who no actual proof of the claims he's made asking for the votes to be invalidated and based on the candidate's interpretation of state law? *laughs*

Judge Griffin’s complaints were made to enforce EXISTING state laws, not subvert voter will.

When you request the Board of Elections invalidate 60,000+ votes based on your own personal interpretation of state law and no proof of your claims, that's the very definition of subverting the will of the voters.

Nor did Judge Griffin use any laws that have not been on the books for years..

It doesn't matter if the laws had been on the books for days, Judge Griffin's interpretation of those laws sought to disenfranchise tens of thousands of voters of their votes.

It was a *2004* law that required driver’s license or Social Security numbers for registration, unmet by 60,000 voters due to the State Board’s outdated forms, a failure the state Supreme Court refused to penalize voters for on April 11, 2025.

Good call for the North Carolina Supreme Court to refuse Griffin's request to disenfranchise the voters he sought to invalidate.

The 5,500 overseas ballots lacked mandated photo IDs, and 267 “Never Residents” were ineligible non-residents, per a **2011** law.

Per Griffin's interpretation of that law. Interestingly, you omit the fact that Griffin was challenging only the overseas ballots/military voters from Buncombe, Durham, Forsyth, and Guilford counties... all heavily Democratic counties that his opposing candidate had won easily.

You also conveniently failed to mention that a North Carolina Board of Elections rule states that overseas voters are not required to submit photo ID with their ballots. In fact, when the bipartisan NC Board of Elections considered Griffin's complaint, they unanimously voted to dismiss that portion of his request to invalidate those voters.

Judge Griffin’s actions sought ELECTION INTEGRITY, not voter disenfranchisement...

Judge Griffin sought the disenfranchisement and invalidation of the votes of selected voters in certain counties known to be heavily Democratic-leaning counties... not remotely the definition of "election integrity."

The federal judge’s ruling, upheld by the 4th Circuit’s April 22 stay, ensured DUE PROCESS by pausing ballot cures pending federal review, not dismantling democracy.

Ya'all remember DUE PROCESS, right?? It's what ya'all scream for when it's ideologically required to do so?? :D

False equivalency and self-provided proof of your "understanding" of due process and the United States Constitution, more specifically the lack thereof.

Allison Riggs’ 734-vote lead after recounts held, but certification delays stem from LEGITIMATE legal disputes, not any form of ideologically based malice.

Your argument that a targeted attempt to disenfranchise particular voters from double-digit Democratic-leaning counties doesn't pass your definition of "not any form of ideologically based malice"... not by any stretch of the imagination.

Critics like Justice Anita Earls overstate the case’s impact; the court’s 5-2 Republican majority was never at stake. Judge Griffin’s decision not to appeal reflects respect for judicial process, not capitulation.

I guess that opinion remains to be seen; if a was a voter in North Carolina (or any state for that matter), I would not soon forget a GOP candidate trying to invalidate my vote in a targeted manner in order to win an election.

This case underscores the need for pre-election fixes to election administration, not a narrative of democratic peril.

This is a rather weak opinion/argument when you consider the actual facts of the case versus totally glossing over them.

Democracy prevailed through lawful challenges, not despite them.

Democracy prevailed in the federal courts because of the supremacy clause of the United States Constitution; however, over in the North Carolina Supreme Court, they were quite content to screw over thousands of overseas/military voters in cherry-picked Democratic-leaning counties based purely on their partisan interpretation of law after the election and multiple recounts.

Let me repeat that for the cheap seats...

It seems to me you are occupying the "cheap seats" due to your complete dearth of facts regarding this issue.

FLORIDA COPS ARREST ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN TAMPA
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6372519251112

I simply LOVE working for Florida Law Enforcement!!! :D

Bashi, did YOU read the article???

NO ONE can provide me a SINGLE name...

Therefore, my claim stands as validated by default...

http://www.google.com

There... THERE is a link that has as much relevance to my argument as Bashi's link has to HIS claim...
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:eyeroll:

That renders Bashi's argument completely null and void..

If you were putting on your "Bashi Hat" you would be providing links to back your accusations up...

Reading too hard for you? Numerous names in article, take your pick. Or are you just dodging the fact you can't back your shit up?

Did I ask for a LINK??

No.. I asked for a NAME...

Can you provide me a NAME of someone who was sent to CECOT unconstitutionally??

YES or NO???

Putting on my Bashi Hat.. Any facts to back that up??

The fact is all the illegal immigrant criminals have had ALL the due process that the COURTS have stated they deserve...

You want to push the fantasy that there is only ONE "due process"..

But there are MANY kinds of 'due process'..

And ALL of it is contextual...

ICE has not done that. therefore, a great many of their detentions and deportations this year have been unconstitutional. the constitution means what it says; you don't get to make up additional rules about it as you go along.

I know that you honestly believe that.. But you are factually wrong..

Let's simplify it...

Give me ONE example of an illegal immigrant criminal that was deported unconstitutionally...

Just one...

Just one...

yo, pathetic propagandist see link in [12]...

and if your defense is just an ad hominem then back that up or give us a list of "accepted" news outlets...

mostly false, since the vast majority of those imprisoned and deported (including many who committed no crimes whatsoever) had no judicial hearing about their present imprisonment and deportation. for the last 249 years or so, due process has meant that each time the government wants to take away a person's liberty, it is required to produce that person in front of a judge, specifically to determine if it's justified.

ICE has not done that. therefore, a great many of their detentions and deportations this year have been unconstitutional. the constitution means what it says; you don't get to make up additional rules about it as you go along.

A premonition from Cardinal George?

Yes.. How else could ICE get their info if they weren't processed???

Or during their due process...

You are saying their "due process" is occurring in their homes and businesses where they were arrested??

Do you have anything to back THAT up??

And just about every other news source. Can you back your accusation up or just propagandizing?

Sure.. As soon as you give me some specific FACTS and not just some Democrat Water Carrier link..

You mean from the administration that lies constantly? I think we need a bit more than a nudge nudge wink wink believe us...

This is funny coming from the guy who supported the administration whose ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION was one big lie... :eyeroll:

Do you have ANY facts to support your claim that these scumbag terrorist supporters were illegally arrested??

Says the guy who can't back up anything he says.

When you give me specific things you refute, I'll be happy to provide specific FACTS to prove you wrong..

But just generally saying YOU'RE WRONG doesn't cut it anymore..

We'll start with an easy one..

Give me the NAME of a specific person who was illegally sent to CECOT...

Just one...

Did they, now. Got anything to back that up?

Nay, the REASON ICE is making contact with the illegal immigrant criminals is BECAUSE of their 'due process'...

Or during their due process...

Never happened... Despite what CBS News claims...

And just about every other news source. Can you back your accusation up or just propagandizing?

Nothing secret about it.. The SecState decided that those people lied on the VISA applications and, as such, revoked their VISAs... AS IS HIS LEGAL RIGHT TO DO...

You mean from the administration that lies constantly? I think we need a bit more than a nudge nudge wink wink believe us...

THAT is their 'due process'... Completely and 1000% transparent and legal..

You have an odd definition of transparent...

You haven't a legitimate leg to stand on, Bash...

Says the guy who can't back up anything he says. Look in the mirror dude, look in the mirror...

That's different...

But I still luv ya... :D

Not factually accurate.. The illegal immigrant criminals already HAD their 'due process' before ICE makes contact with them..

Nay, the REASON ICE is making contact with the illegal immigrant criminals is BECAUSE of their 'due process'...

And what about the non-criminal illegal immigrant? You know, most of those sent to El Salvador?

Never happened... Despite what CBS News claims...

Or legal immigrants or students who protest and have their green card or other permission secretly revoked?

Nothing secret about it.. The SecState decided that those people lied on the VISA applications and, as such, revoked their VISAs... AS IS HIS LEGAL RIGHT TO DO...

THAT is their 'due process'... Completely and 1000% transparent and legal..

You haven't a legitimate leg to stand on, Bash...

Illegal Immigrant Criminals And what about the non-criminal illegal immigrant? You know, most of those sent to El Salvador? Or legal immigrants or students who protest and have their green card or other permission secretly revoked? What about their due process?

Then they are the end all be all and final word when they rule that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIMINALS are afforded ONLY the "due process" that the courts say they are afforded...

"What's good for the goose is NOBODY'S business but the gander's!"
-Ralph Furley, THREE'S COMPANY

:D

Yes, it does say "any person" is afforded "due process"...

No one is claiming otherwise..

But the COURTS have established time and time again that "due process" for Illegal Immigrant Criminals is NOT the same "due process" that is afforded American citizens..

So, while the Constitution guarantees DUE PROCESS for ANY PERSON the COURTS have stated that, unto Illegal Immigrant Criminals, Illegal Immigrant Due Process is given... And unto American citizens, a DIFFERENT due process is given..

The facts I have stated do not conflict at all with your counter argument..

In essence, we are both factually accurate..

either we follow the constitution as it was written and are a nation ruled by laws, or we don't and are a nation ruled by criminals.

Ya'all remember DUE PROCESS, right?? It's what ya'all scream for when it's ideologically required to do so?? :D

Since this has been an ongoing subject here in Weigantia, I would like to explore it further...

When hysterical woke progressive Democrats scream about "DUE PROCESS" for illegal immigrant criminals, they are conflating "DUE PROCESS" for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT criminals with "DUE PROCESS" for American citizens..

They are unequivocally and absolutely NOT the same "due process"...

The idea that illegal immigrants like Kilmar Abrego Garcia are entitled to the same due process as U.S. citizens is a complete fantasy and misconception rooted in misinterpretations of constitutional protections. This fantasy was created to obfuscate and muddle the issue..

The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantee due process for “persons” within U.S. jurisdiction, but precedent limits its scope for illegal immigrants.

In Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) the Supreme Court held that due process for illegal immigrant criminals in deportation proceedings is utterly minimal. Requiring only a fair hearing before an immigration judge, not full judicial protections.

And Plyler v. Doe (1982) further clarified that illegal immigrant criminals have SOME rights, but these are quite context specific and not the full Constitutional rights that are available to American citizens.

Illegal immigrant criminals are NOT afforded the rights to extensive judicial review or prolonged detention challenges that a US Citizen is given.

Further, in Demore v. Kim (2003) the courts upheld mandatory detention without bond hearings for illegal immigrant criminals, emphasizing that National Security and Illegal Immigration Enforcement is the priority and the minimal rights afforded illegal immigrant criminals are way WAY down on the priority list..

As to the specific case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia.... He was mistakenly deported in March 2025 despite a 2019 withholding order. But Garcia DID, in fact, receive the proper minimal "due process" afforded all illegal immigrant criminals which is, at most, an administrative hearing before an immigration judge. This satisfied the ONLY "due process" that illegal immigrants are authorized to have, per Zadvydas.

His case, under the Alien Enemies Act, aligns with Mathews v. Diaz (1976), which grants Congress broad authority over immigration and limits greatly any judicial oversight.

While the Supreme Court ordered efforts to facilitate Garcia’s return, this addresses an administrative error, not a constitutional mandate for expansive due process.

Illegal immigrant criminals receive PROCEDURAL FAIRNESS alone. NOT full "due process" that American citizens are afforded.

So, when hysterical woke progressive Democrats scream about "due process", the fact is that illegal immigrant criminals in the here and now have been afforded the MINIMAL "due process" they are allowed under the law..

"SO SAY WE ALL"
-BATTLESSTAR GALACTICA

:D

Please point to ANY action that Judge Griffin took that was "unconstitutional"...

And, since ALL of Judge Griffin's actions were taken THRU THE LEGAL SYSTEM, the claim that his actions were "lawless" is laughable on it's face...

I'm just sayin'... :D

PRESIDENT Trump deserves to be commended for his awesome trade deal with the United Kingdom, a COMPLETELY COMPREHENSIVE trade triumph that cements a historic alliance!

PRESIDENT Trump's tariff strategy is paying off VERY well, forcing nations to the table and delivering results.

On April 2, 2025, PRESIDENT Trump unleashed sweeping tariffs (10% on U.K. imports and 25% on cars and steel) shaking global markets and compelling the U.K. to come to the table and negotiate.

The deal, announced May 8, 2025, slashes barriers, boosting the $11.9 billion U.S. trade surplus with the U.K., up 17.4% from 2023. This RESOUNDING victory for PRESIDENT Trump and America is the first of many and it follows Britain’s trade pact with India, proving PRESIDENT Trump's TARIFF pressure works!!

While Trump/America hating Democrats cried recession, PRESIDENT Trump paused tariffs for 90 days, giving allies like the U.K. a chance to strike deals.

The U.K.’s high tariffs (up to 25% on U.S. fish, 10% on vehicles) were tamed through PRESIDENT Trump's leverage not by any goodwill on the part of the UK government.

This deal, lauded by UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer, shows PRESIDENT Trump's AMERICA FIRST vision is reshaping global trade.

As PRESIDENT Trump eyes talks with China, his bold moves signal a “Golden Age” for America.

PRESIDENT Trump's tariff strategy is a masterstroke for U.S. prosperity

It's obvious to ANYONE with more than 2 brain cells to rub together that PRESIDENT Trump is, indeed, the man who (co)wrote the book on THE ART OF THE DEAL!!! :D

NO WHERE does CW mention President Trump in his commentary, except twice where it is a VERY periphery presence.

Yet, commenters mention President Trump TWELVE TIMES!!!

You see, this is EXACTLY why ya'all's Democrat Party is still lost in the wilderness...

Even with a commentary that is NOT about President Trump WHATSOEVER....

Ya'all STILL spew the Trump/America hate...

Ya'all simply CAN'T stop hating on President Trump... Even if he has absolutely NOTHING to do with the subject at hand...

It's a FASCINATING study.. Although there isn't a single specific term in psychology for people who SO intensely hates a person and cannot stop thinking about or talking about them, the behavior can be described using several concepts.

These include fixation, obsession, resentment, and potentially even elements of narcissistic rage. The key is that the person's thoughts and emotions are consumed by the individual they dislike, leading to a VERY unhealthy focus.

There oughta be a name for it.. :D

Judge Griffin’s complaints were made to enforce EXISTING state laws, not subvert voter will. Nor did Judge Griffin use any laws that have not been on the books for years..

It was a *2004* law that required driver’s license or Social Security numbers for registration, unmet by 60,000 voters due to the State Board’s outdated forms, a failure the state Supreme Court refused to penalize voters for on April 11, 2025.

The 5,500 overseas ballots lacked mandated photo IDs, and 267 “Never Residents” were ineligible non-residents, per a **2011** law. Judge Griffin’s actions sought ELECTION INTEGRITY, not voter disenfranchisement...

The federal judge’s ruling, upheld by the 4th Circuit’s April 22 stay, ensured DUE PROCESS by pausing ballot cures pending federal review, not dismantling democracy.

Ya'all remember DUE PROCESS, right?? It's what ya'all scream for when it's ideologically required to do so?? :D

Allison Riggs’ 734-vote lead after recounts held, but certification delays stem from LEGITIMATE legal disputes, not any form of ideologically based malice.

Critics like Justice Anita Earls overstate the case’s impact; the court’s 5-2 Republican majority was never at stake. Judge Griffin’s decision not to appeal reflects respect for judicial process, not capitulation.

This case underscores the need for pre-election fixes to election administration, not a narrative of democratic peril.

Democracy prevailed through lawful challenges, not despite them.

Let me repeat that for the cheap seats...

DEMOCRACY PREVAILED THROUGH LEGAL AND LAWFUL CHALLENGES, NOT DESPITE THEM

This is how our Democracy works, people...

Our Democracy is in peril when people, SOLEY for the sake of a political agenda, use lawfare to subvert our democracy...

Anyone know anything about that, eh?? :D

This is encouraging, since almost any of us would have nodded in rueful acknowledgement had Judge Griffin actually decided to take it to the next level and appealed the federal court decision.

I know, right!? Who could forget it was Thom Tillis himself who had the opportunity to display some actual backbone by sticking to his guns and becoming the vote to sink the nomination of the obviously unqualified Fox Newsian anchor, Pete Hegseth? Tillis, however, chose the coward’s way out when threatened with being primaried in his bid for reelection to the Senate next year. So Tillis is apparently beginning to grow some spine or Trump is starting to lose some control... or both.

Trump isn't going to be on the ballot with Tillis et alia, and the GOP (at least in North Carolina) seems to finally be coming to the realization that voters aren't the least bit amused with all the GOP BS including Trump's ever-present grifting corruption, the unconstitutional global tariffs that threaten small businesses and the American consumer, the disenfranchisement of voters, and the overreach of big government preparing their cult followers to brace for hardship while they (again) attempt to blast holes into healthcare and the social safety net, while the GOP and their billionaire authoritarians laugh all the way to the bank.

How long before the Trump tariffs are declared unconstitutional in a court of law? Seems likely if the Courts follow the law. So the GOP can either continue to take inaction and turn a blind eye to this bullshit or grow a spine and do something about the big government overreach. The United States Constitution grants Congress (and only Congress) the power to impose, raise, or lower tariffs, which are taxes; in no way whatsoever does it give any such power to the President who has unilaterally ordered tariffs under false pretenses while the GOP cowers in compliance.

The GOP has also turned a blind eye while Trump is minting multiple meme coins with which he's grifting the American populace and selling access to foreigners via the Oval, and Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about anyone not named Trump... and never has.

That's just what Trump does, every time: appeal, appeal, appeal in hope of finally reaching a higher court corrupt enough or political enough to change the law, and/or finally forcing the opponent to drop out of the case because their legal fees have become overwhelming.

Yes, sir, while Trump whines of victimhood yet uses the American judicial system for his own personal gain. Unfortunately for the Donald, his Project 2025 appointees and allies in his administration don't need Trump for their long-term plans. But I digress.

Maybe, just maybe, the Tillis and North Carolina stories this week are hopeful signs that the Republican administration and party have begun to hit some kind of resistance wall that actually matters.

The Trumptanic is meeting the iceberg, and spoiler alert: It doesn't look good for the passengers in third class unless (enough) members of Congress do something.

Maybe, just maybe, the Tillis and North Carolina stories this week are hopeful signs that the Republican administration and party have begun to hit some kind of resistance wall that actually matters.

Thanks, Kick.

It's almost like the corrupt, unethical, dishonest and disenfranchising GOP has realized there's an upcoming election and a lot of pissed off North Carolinians who can still vote.

Almost.