But it's not a military invasion under the command of the Mexican (or any other) government, with the immigrants following only the orders of their Mexican commanders in the field.

Yes, sir. Legal immigrants and illegal immigrants aren't enemy soldiers by any stretch of the imagination; although, I would not be surprised in the least if President Pussy Neck hysterically attempted to claim they are. What would make that laughable on its face would be the fact that Donald Trump himself has been historically and still is quite a prolific employer of immigrants (legal as well as illegal), numbering thousands with the H2B visas he requests climbing ever higher on a yearly basis, as anyone can verify via the United States Department of Labor.

If Trump is prepared to admit he hired foreign enemy combatants to build Trump Tower (which he famously tried to screw them out of their agreed wages because they were illegal) and multiple of his golf courses and has recently hired foreign enemy combatants (both legally and illegally) in his wineries and multiple other of his properties, then he should try that and see how it works out for him.

As per usual with Trump, he's part of the problem who hires and exploits cheap labor while also blaming said cheap labor for all manner of evils. As Bashi rightly pointed out above, Trump pardoned Ross Ulbricht of illicit drug fame. Ulbricht was convicted of seven counts related to his operation of the website Silk Road, which facilitated the sale of illegal drugs using Bitcoin, including the distribution of narcotics. Ulbricht was convicted for his using his website to facilitate more than 1.5 million transactions worth approximately $213 million, including more than $183 million in illegal drug sales. I could go on about the Trumpian blaming of immigrants for all manner of ills in America and the Orwellian doublespeak, but I'd digress.

Suffice it to say, if the United States (all political Parties) wanted to seriously do something about illegal immigration that they claim takes the jobs of Americans and lowers wages of Americans, they'd prosecute the perpetrators of fraud running the companies hiring them illegally... but they prosecute very few. If employers would cease hiring illegal immigrants or face serious prosecution for doing it, how many people would cross the border for a job that didn't exist?

Only in that case - which isn't happening, has never happened, and never will happen - would any children born to (female?) uniformed soldiers on foreign-occupied U.S. soil not be entitled to U.S. citizenship.

I am definitely not prepared to make the claim "never will happen," but we have Guantanamo and similar places not on U.S. soil for such and similar situations, but that opens a whole other can of worms. :)

The enemy soldier thing pre-supposes the presence of an army of another country in some territory of the U.S.A., i.e. an ongoing military invasion. Rare example: British troops invaded and occupied parts of Maryland in the War of 1812.

Such soldiers are clearly not under the jurisdiction of the U.S. and its laws - they work for the other country and are subject to its laws, military and civil.

As you say, one can call a wave of illegal immigrants an "invasion" to get votes, etc. Swell - good old political BS or lies.

But it's not a military invasion under the command of the Mexican (or any other) government, with the immigrants following only the orders of their Mexican commanders in the field. Only in that case - which isn't happening, has never happened, and never will happen - would any children born to (female?) uniformed soldiers on foreign-occupied U.S. soil not be entitled to U.S. citizenship.

the MAGA-verse has already called the influx of undocumented immigrants an "invasion," so how far is it from there to labeling migrant workers "enemy combatants?" is that where you were going with that?

No, sir. I was simply pointing out there is factually another valid exception to Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment. "Enemy combatants" actually applies to foreign soldiers and not to people seeking employment and/or amnesty.

I personally think it's batshit crazy (ignorant) to make the asinine claim that so-called "illegal aliens" aren't "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States while simultaneously claiming they're criminals by virtue of being in the country, whether entering legally and then becoming illegal by virtue of "staying" in violation of US law or entering illegally at the outset in violation of US law. If you're a so-called "legal alien" in this country, you are "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US, and if you're here illegally, you are equally subject to those laws.

To be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States simply means you are subject to the authority of the United States. So obviously, that phrase covers the vast majority of persons within our borders no matter how they got here. With only a few exceptions, a person's current immigration status, national allegiance, or past compliance with immigration laws obviously does not determine whether or not they are required to obey the laws of the United States... everyone must obey.

The Citizenship Clause guarantees in plain language birthright citizenship to the United States-born children of all persons subject to United States sovereign authority and laws. The requirement of jurisdiction excludes persons who are immune and therefore not required to obey the laws of the United States: Foreign diplomats and enemy soldiers (agents of another foreign nation) not subject to the laws of the United States despite their presence within the territory of the United States. Foreign diplomats have "diplomatic immunity," while lawful enemy combatants have "combatant immunity," and children born to them within the territory of the United States are therefore not entitled to birthright citizenship.

Illegal so-called "aliens" are literally illegal because they are subject to U.S. law... not because they're not.

Not rocket science.

Great question. :)

it wasn't you who i asked, but since you chimed in, do you believe that undocumented migrant workers should be declared "enemy combatants" for the purpose of invalidating the birthright citizenship of their children?

JL

our country's institutions have been for sale to the highest bidder since 1980. citizens united made it official. so at this point why not be up-front about it?

Just like his renaming the Gulf of Mexico, all empty gestures without the money to back it up. Let's see the money to get new educational materials, maps books, globes, et for the schools. No? The Gulf of Mexico it is...

I see he already raised drug prices but pardoned Ross Ulbricht so maybe that will balance out on the illicit market...

Everyone is jumping on the President Trump train... :D

Don't get left behind... :D

Politico global editor-in-chief John F. Harris argued in a new piece that President Donald Trump’s second victory proves that he has dominated American politics so thoroughly that he will likely be counted among the country’s most consequential leaders.

Looks like former Democrat Water Carriers are jumping on the MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN/PRESIDENT TRUMP train!! :D

Democrats have completely lost any and all relevance in America in the here and now...

"Ain't it kewl!?"
-John Travolta, BROKEN ARROW

:D

The Trump administration also directed government agencies to draw up plans for firing workers in DEI roles.

The Trump administration is ordering all federal employees in diversity, equity and inclusion roles placed on paid leave by Wednesday evening, according to a new memo from the Office of Personnel Management.

The memo, issued Tuesday to heads of departments and agencies, sets a deadline of no later than 5 p.m. ET Wednesday to inform the employees that they will be put on paid administrative leave as the agencies prepare to close all DEI-related offices and programs and to remove all websites and social media accounts for such offices.

It also asks federal agencies to submit a written plan by Jan. 31 for dismissing the employees.

DEI is dead...

And it couldn't have come at a better time.. :D

And Democrats wonder why they lost the Election *AND* the Popular Vote to PRESIDENT Trump..

:eyeroll:

Which is EXACTLY what is happening in the here and now...

Just as Laken Riley's friends and family.. :eyeroll:

So, apparently, the FACTS support PRESIDENT Trump's interpretation of the relevant section..

"Thank you for your co-operation..."
-Black Widow, THE AVENGERS

The issue is not migrant workers and you damn well know that..

The issue is ILLEGAL migrant workers..

NO ONE has ANY problem with those migrant workers who follow the rules...

It's the CRIMINALS that need to be prevented from crossing our border and, for the ones who are already here, deported with extreme prejudice..

"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN

The 14th Amendment, in another section, prohibits federal office for those who have attempted insurrection against the constitutional government. Like Trump did on Jan. 6, 2021.

Except that never happened.. Except in the fevered minds of those who suffer from PTSD and Trump/America hatred..

If this happened, as you LAUGHABLY claim, why wasn't PRESIDENT charged with this crime??

Because ANYONE with more than 2 brain cells to rub together knows that the accusation is, on the face and throughout, complete and utter BS...

If you want to claim that PRESIDENT Trump is responsible for 6 Jan, then you MUST accept the FACT that Democrats are responsible for 22+ years (collectively) of Democrat BLM and AntiFa riots and attacks on hundreds of government buildings all over the country..

Are you willing to concede that, JMCT??

Of course yer not.. Which makes you a complete and utter hypocrite...

:eyeroll:

the MAGA-verse has already called the influx of undocumented immigrants an "invasion," so how far is it from there to labeling migrant workers "enemy combatants?" is that where you were going with that?

JL

You mean, like Basement Biden adding the "28th Amendment" saying that the ERA is an amendment of the US Constitution...???

You mean like that??

Funny how you didn't condemn THAT act...

:eyeroll:

Given this Supreme Court's inability to interpret the 14th Amendment's plain meaning in that regard, who here is prepared to argue that surely -- surely! It's so obvious! A layman can read the text and get it! -- surely they will honor the obvious intent and meaning of this birthright citizenship section of the 14th Amendment?

I wouldn't bet on it.

There is also an exception for children born on United States soil to those considered enemy combatants.

As for the birthright citizenship issue, the Constitution definitely does not bestow upon the POTUS the authority to unilaterally change or amend the provisions therein. Presidents are bound by the Constitution, not the other way around. The executive orders of the POTUS are designed to implement and enforce existing law and most definitely not to create new laws or invalidate the laws contained in the Constitution referred to as constitutional rights.

Not rocket science.