I can't ... I'm blocked from accessing that site. ;)

Oops. :)

Did 10 million voters choose not to vote this time around?

That's roughly what the top-line numbers seem to say. I think it's a bit under 10M, and presumably some votes remain to be reported, but I doubt they'll change the picture.

Only 40% of the expected vote has been counted in one of the smallest counties in the state!???

Keep an eye on that, will you? ;)

https://www.lakecountyca.gov/880/Preliminary-Election-Results

The point being that in the year 2024 one might be excused for thinking that a country that fancies itself the leader of the free democratic world would be able to run an election with more efficiency than it actually does. ;)

Why does it take so long to count votes?

According to the U.S. Constitution, each of the 50 individual states has the right to run their own elections. Not to sound obvious with some of these, but some states:

* are much more populous than others,

* vote entirely by mail-in ballots,

* make it easier to vote and thus have a lot more voters,

* have laws wherein they aren't legally allowed to begin counting ballots until polls close on "election day,"

* count mail-in ballots received up to X number of days after the election,

* allow voters X number of days to "cure" their ballots that are "spoiled,"

* have lots of issues/initiatives on their ballots with multiple pages,

* have mandated recounts for small margins,

* have multiple of the factors listed above combined.

Probably some I missed, and I didn't list the reasons counting goes faster... but that's the gist of it. :)

Making the same unfounded and unsupported claim is NOT a fact that supports the original fact-less claim..

Just sayin'

Just to be clear, I was in no way intending to imply that there has been cheating.

I'm just a little surprised that so many people would be so unmotivated to vote. But, I guess I shouldn't be, given the choice.

Why does it take so long to count votes?

You're missing the overall.

@liz,

again, this preoccupation with absolutes. there's rarely if ever just one reason, but there are reasons that form convincing narratives, and tangible facts that can drive emotions to support those narratives. rows of thousands of coffins is something people can relate to, and which reaches them on a gut level when you explain that donald trump was not very good at being president the first time he tried it.

"fascism" or "economic failure" are examples of issues that are much harder to get people to understand and feel, because the causes and effects are muddied by thousands of circumstantial or very hard-to-prove factors. ask someone why they're paying twice as much for groceries, and anyone without a doctorate in economics will just believe whoever looks or sounds best. ask if Donald will perhaps be a crook or a fascist and even if they know he's been convicted of something they'll still have a hard time figuring out what you're even talking about. however, ask them how children ended up being separated from their parents and put in cages, or why hundreds of thousands of Americans started dying, and it's a pretty stark contrast. the first 8 months of COVID provided clear and undeniable evidence to anyone voting that president trump wasn't doing a very good job of protecting americans from dying. compare that to this year's rapidly evolving democratic narrative(s), and it is very easy to understand why donald was able to win.

JL

Did 10 million voters choose not to vote this time around? I know for certain that some did not but, 10 million!?

They'll be counting the votes for weeks, and I suppose we'll know how many when they finish, but, yes, millions of voters were unmotivated to vote.

Why would six million voters in California vote against raising the minimum wage?

As for Prop. 32 in California, the minimum wage in CA is already tied to inflation so the lowest-paid workers across the state will still get a 50-cent increase to $16.50 beginning in January.

However, factor in the fact that fast food restaurant employees in CA already make a minimum wage of $20.00 (recently raised in April 2024), and health care workers in CA just recently began making a minimum wage in October 2024 of at least $18 (rural) and some hospital systems in urban areas $23, a schedule that will keep raising their wages over a number of years through 2033 to minimum $25.

Far from being unheard of heights, millions of workers in California have already begun making much higher minimum wages in 2024 so maybe voters simply decided to pump the brakes on another increase that would apply to all CA workers.

Just the facts. :)

Did 10 million voters choose not to vote this time around? I know for certain that some did not but, 10 million!?

It tells us multiple things:

* You are (still) plagiarizing fake news.
* You think 38.9 is more than 40 and (still) suck at basic math.

Obviously, votes are still being counted in California, but 38.9 isn't more than 40.

CALIFORNIA (currently)
(D) 7,076,090 (58.2%)
(R) 4,731,338 (38.9%)

UNITED STATES (currently)
(D) 70,892,662 (47.9%)
(R) 74,563,599 (50.4%)

Popular vote margin currently at 2.5%... a NOT considerable margin and shrinking.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you saying that the only or even primary reason Trump lost in 2020 was because of the criminal way in which he handled the pandemic?

to address liz, no it is not the only cause of failure this cycle by any stretch, and it might not have worked against Donald, but so far it is the only strategy that ever has, so it seems a pretty massive oversight to not even go there.

Someone dumped a necessarily scrollable ginormous trollshit mountain but then excoriated another commenter with the obvious self-projection (although not abbreviated): "STFU."

Name that troll.

They want the better pay but they don't want to do the work to EARN the better pay...

Well, I am not a Democrat but I do work very hard and always have. That kind of work ethic is in my DNA. But I'm struggling to make ends meet.

I think you generalize too much and because of that, it isn't easy to have a reasonably cogent discussion with you.

No it didn't. Trump got over 6 million votes in 2020 and about 4.7 million votes in 2024. He improved slightly over 2016...

More than 40% of Californians voted for President-elect Trump this year, making it the most votes for a GOP presidential candidate in the blue state since George W. Bush re-election in 2004.

Experts say Californians aren't as far left "as Newsom thinks," citing several state ballot measures that swung conservative, followed by the ousting of progressive Soros-backed Los Angeles County District Attorney George Gascon.

Though Trump lost California to Vice President Kamala Harris, his electoral showing in the Golden State increased significantly; he got 31% of the vote in 2016 and 34% in 2020. Even with something of a conservative exodus driving many residents to red states like Florida and Texas, Trump increased his percentage of the state vote by six points.

WHY are Californians voting for President ELECT Trump??

Because almost a MAJORITY of Californians know that Democrat policies and Democrats are whacked..

"Pop quiz, hotshot.."
-Stan, SPEED

FILL IN THE BLANK

The ONE most important factor in determining Employee pay is _________________
A> The needs of the employer or business
B> The needs of the employee
C> A combination of the two

"Choose. But choose wisely. For while to true grail brings the promise of everlasting life, the false grail brings nothing but devastation and death."
-Knight Of The Round Table, INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE

:D

You are missing quite a bit about the relationship between employers and employees.

Actually having BEEN an employee AND an employer of many successful businesses I am intimately familiar with the relationship between employee and employer...

Obviously, you have more than enough money to live on. Most people are not in that boat.

Then the people who WANT to live in my boat need to do what I did..

WORK HARD to EARN BETTER PAY..

And THAT is the problem with Democrats..

They want the better pay but they don't want to do the work to EARN the better pay...

They want the better pay handed to them on a silver platter.. Or, in this case, by the voters.. Or even more accurately, the taxpayers...

Illicitly modding Xboxes?

"I think if this campaign is reducible to one moment, we are in a 65% wrong-track country. The country wants something different. And she’s asked, as is so often the case, in a friendly audience, on 'The View,' 'How would you be different than Biden?' That’s the one question that you exist to answer, alright? That is it. That’s the money question. That's the one you want. That’s the one that everybody wants to know the answer to. And you freeze! You literally freeze and say, ‘Well, I can’t think of anything’..."

THAT is why Token DEI Hire Headboard Has Been Hooker Harris lost..

Because she offered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but a continuation of Biden's and Democrat's disastrous policies..

Do you know WHY I was absolutely and positively CERTAIN that President Trump would win and win in a virtual landslide!??

Because of ^^^^^ that....

That is just deeply stupid.

You are missing quite a bit about the relationship between employers and employees.

Obviously, you have more than enough money to live on. Most people are not in that boat.

And THAT right there is the EXACT and ENTIRE problem with the Democrat mindset on the issue of wages..

Employment doesn't exist to benefit the employees..

Employment exists to benefits the employers and the businesses that hire the employees...

You know how we got around the "living wage" issue in MY day??

We worked 2 jobs...

Democrat Americans need to find a way to live within their means..

THAT means that employers and businesses don't pay employees so employees can live..

Employers and businesses pay employees based on the market and what the employers and businesses can afford...

If an employee finds themselves in a job that doesn't pay a "living wage"???

Then it's up to the employee to figure out how to increase his or her pay.. Or figure out how to cut expenses..

It's called BEING AN ADULT...

I think the Democrats' problem goes far deeper than just what their policy descriptions are, many of which actually aim to help improve the lives of most Americans.

Oh, I am sure that Democrats believe that their policies will help Americans..

That's part of their delusion...

Like the minimum wage and decriminalization ideas, they completely and utterly ignore human nature..

What they need to look more deeply at is why they aren't connecting with more voters and why a wide swath of voters saw Trump as the change candidate with the best prescription for moving the country forward.

The HUGELY wide swath of new Trump voters came about because Democrats offered nothing but more of the same Biden failed policies of the past 3.8 years..

How do we know this?? Because Harris herself SAID as much.. Harris reiterated on three separate occasions that she is nothing but a Biden clone and that she would be a Biden clone if elected POTUS..

That scared so many MILLIONS Americans that they made a beeline for Camp President Trump...

I think they will also have to question why it was that so many regular voters decided not to vote this time around. Why aren't Democrats able to field a candidate that voters can trust enough to get behind and vote for?

Because ANY candidate must kiss the ring of the Hysterical Progressive Elite..

And THAT deal with the devil is simply a path that ANY reasonable and rational patriotic American will not go down..

I think the Democrats' problem goes far deeper than just what their policy descriptions are, many of which actually aim to help improve the lives of most Americans.

What they need to look more deeply at is why they aren't connecting with more voters and why a wide swath of voters saw Trump as the change candidate with the best prescription for moving the country forward.

I think they will also have to question why it was that so many regular voters decided not to vote this time around. Why aren't Democrats able to field a candidate that voters can trust enough to get behind and vote for?

Just like decriminalization of all drugs sounds like a good idea...

The problem with those nice sounding ideas is that the work ONLY in a perfect world.. They completely and utterly FAIL to take into account the reality of human nature..

As such, they come with catastrophic ends that were completely and utterly predictable when one takes into account human nature..

Why would Trump supporters be against raising the minimum wage!?

Because they saw what devastation it caused in the economies that tried it..

Entire businesses shut down because they had to raise prices to cover the extra expenses and lost their customer base. Min Wage employees lost their jobs by the thousands.. Urban economies totally wrecked..

Ask yourself ONE question...

WHERE is the money going to have to come from to cover the extra expense of the sky rocketing minimum wages??

It doesn't just appear out of thin air.. Not delivered by a fairy godmother.. That money has to come from somewhere.

Where??

It must really suck to live in one of the most prosperous powerful economies in the world...

In reality I think it probably failed due to two factors. The automatic increase past $18 dollars an hour based on cost of living. How are they determining it, et. Also having grown up in California you definitely get initiative fatigue. There are always so many on the ballot that if you don't completely agree with the language of the initiative, it's easy to just vote no. Some other version will appear in the next election or the one after that will likely be better written.

#1
Do ya'all (CW, Liz, JL) feel that this nuclear UBER Shellacking delivered by President Trump upon all Democrats is of sufficient magnitude and severity that it should prompt ANY Democrat with more than 2 brain cells to rub to take a GOOD LONG LOOK in the mirror and seriously consider that President Trump is not the problem but rather it's Democrat Policies that are the problem..

If the answer to #1 is YES, then yer done...

If you DON'T believe that this nuclear UBER Shellacking is of sufficient magnitude and severity to force Democrats to take a good long look in the mirror, please describe to me exactly what event or series of events WOULD BE of sufficient magnitude and severity to really force Democrats to take a good long look in the mirror and seriously consider that THEY are the problem.. That DEMOCRAT POLICIES are what keeps dooming Democrats..

Enquiring minds want to know.. :D

Why would Trump supporters be against raising the minimum wage!?

Again, you. Mirror...

Trump was the one calling the country a dumping place for the worlds garbage. If you want America hating and unpatriotic just look in the mirror...

Here's hoping that all of us here can engage in a real autopsy of the 2024 presidential election and ignore the official one!

Com'on, Liz! We're talking about Trump/America hating people who suffer the most virulent form of PTDS...

Do you HONESTLY think that they will look at ANYTHING that upsets their delusion that TRUMP IS HITLER AND DEMOCRATS CAN DO NO WRONG???

Why would six million voters in California vote against raising the minimum wage?

Because they are President Trump supporters and have seen first hand the devastation caused by out of control Progressive policies that are Anti America and Anti Free Market..

Which leads me to the question of the day.. :D

my guess is that Donald Trump is the kind of salesman who can sell ice to the Inuit on christmas. the only reason he lost in 2020 is that the evidence against him was so obvious it literally couldn't be ignored. this year it was ignored, because there were no more morgues filling up with COVID patients, and no one saw fit to remind everyone that four years ago, there were.

That's ONE theory..

There are NO FACTS to support that theory, but it DOES have the advantage of touching your ideology psyche in all the right places for that feel good feeling, so have a ball with it..

There is ANOTHER theory that has all the facts in the world to support it..

And THAT theory is that Americans are simply sick and tired of Democrats and all their Trump/America hate and bullshit..

THAT theory fits all the facts..

I also think the whole trans thing worked, especially with the gen z men. I got to say though I support trans having rights, the whole pronoun thing got tedious on both sides. I also think the whole issue has been accelerated on both sides from outside agitators. The hate was obvious but what was less so was the the absolute need to stick with doctrine on the other side. Slight disagreement got you labeled transphobic. The JK Rowling trans battle has been interesting to follow and is a good microcosm of the overall movement.

I know you understand that Trumps impressive win this week has very little to do with how voters have forgotten the horrors of the COVID-19 pandemic and how it was managed by Trump.

Here's hoping that all of us here can engage in a real autopsy of the 2024 presidential election and ignore the official one!

President-elect Donald J. Trump has not submitted a required ethics plan stating he will avoid conflicts of interest.

Already corrupt and not even in office yet...

http://mfccfl.us/SmilinBiden.jpg

I am calling it:

IT WAS BIDEN ALL ALONG

:D

And she STILL lost against President Trump!!!

BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How hilarious is THAT!! :D

No.

Shut the fuck up..

Yer not worth my time anymore so just shut the fuck up, you fucking America Hating bigot...

This may be one time when the sequel is much better.

Yes, it will be..

Because NOW President Trump knows what to expect from Democrats and he won't let them get away with a TENTH of what they got away with before..

So, yes.. The sequel will be much MUCH better for America.. But CW is right in one way..

It's going to be much MUCH worse for Democrats. :D

And I don't have ANY problem with that... :D

You might be right about this. But, geez Louise, why not just give the guy a chance to prove you wrong before you spend too much more time and effort on more predictions.

"I know, right!??"
Felix, WRECK IT RALPH

CW et al are HOPING that America gets destroyed... They lie awake at night hoping and PRAYING that America gets destroyed...

So they can blame it on President Trump..

Sad lot, aren't they...

Not always...

Oh, don't get me wrong. I am absolutely CERTAIN that THIS sequel is going to be way WAY WAY worse for you Democrats..

But you know what every patriotic American always says..

What WORST for Democrats is what's BEST for America and Americans.. :D

, and if the filibuster ever gets in the way of Trump and the Republicans doing something they consider a big deal, it will be jettisoned (perhaps just for that issue, or perhaps for everything).

You sound upset about this, CW???

I thought you Democrats WANTED to get rid of the filibuster!!?? I coulda SWORE that Democrats have been DYING to get rid of the filibuster???

Wasn't this always the case for the last 4 years or so??

Hmmmm??? :eyeroll:

Few, if any, congressional Republicans will stand up to Trump on anything. Most of the anti-Trump GOP senators and representatives are already gone, or will be in January. Those that are left know full well the wrath of Trump will descend on them if they ever defy him, and the wrath of Trump equals political suicide in the Republican Party right now. So Congress is going to pretty much rubber-stamp anything Trump asks for.

Still waiting for the BAD news here.. I mean, yea, sure.. It's ALL bad BAD news for Democrats...

But, as we have established, what's BAD for Democrats is GOOD for America and Americans..

And you DO want what's good for America, even if it is President Trump that brings it..????

Don't you???

Trump, however, has answers for any such nay-saying. He's going to slap tariffs on everything he can, which (according to him) will be a bonanza for the U.S. Treasury.

And Democrats were going to slap any huge taxes on anyone they can to pay for all their goodies and promises...

So, what is your point here... Exactly??

Hmmmmm???

Getting back to the bigger picture, in Trump's White House there will no longer be any "adults in the room" with Trump. Instead, there will only be yes-men and yes-women. They will never tell him he can't do anything, or even that doing something might be a bad idea. They will instead praise their Dear Leader to the skies and facilitate whatever impulse he happens to have.

Sounds like the Basement Biden administration and the Token DEI Hire Headboard Has Been Hooker Harris campaign..

Again... What's yer point??

Hmmmm???

Trump's team will be a total circus. There will be people in far over their head, there will be total incompetents, there will be nepotism galore, but there will also be some very scary people who have very definite ideas about what they want to achieve

"And you can PROVE this right!!??? Oh yea, that's right. I forgot! You were absent the day they taught LAW at LAW SCHOOL.
-Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN

All you are doing here is wishcasting. Just like you were when you said Harris was going to win..

You WANT this country to go down in flames, SOLELY so you can blame it on President Trump..

I'll ask you the same question I asked 2-Cell Brain Bashi Troll..

ARE YOU F... oh wait.. Not that question...

POINT!!

I am going to make the same POINT to you I made to 2-Cell Brain Bashi Troll..

The fact that you are hoping for America's destruction SOLELY to be able to blame President Trump shows how far you and your fellow Trump/American hating Democrats have fallen down the abyss of hatred and bigotry..

Trump's cabinet appointments will likely be rubber-stamped by the Senate, but even if he appoints someone so disastrously unqualified that Senate Republicans balk, Trump has already figured out the loophole that allows him to ignore this -- he will just appoint the person as an "acting secretary" instead (which the Senate cannot block).

That's what Democrats did.. Are you saying it's a BAD thing??

Oh no, wait.. What you are saying is that it's GREAT when Democrats do it, but it's BAD when President Trump does it..

Hmmmmmm I am thinking of a saying.. Something about Democrat programming and bugs vs features... Hmmmmm

:eyeroll:

The most significant appointment Trump will make will be his attorney general. He certainly learned his lesson last time, and this time around will simply not care what qualifications any candidates have, instead he will be looking for someone who is so loyal to him personally that they will do anything and everything Trump asks. This is scary indeed, because he may then unleash a real wave of "lawfare" against Trump's political opponents. Trump's new attorney general will go along with any and all of it, and will be backed up by Trump's new appointees to lead the F.B.I. and all the other federal law enforcement agencies. Any legal weenies who balk at anything Trump wants to do because it is unconstitutional will be swiftly fired and replaced.

Once again, this is all just what you are HOPING will happen.. Not what will REALLY happen..

How far Trump will go in exacting the "vengeance" he promised is really an open question. He really didn't seem all that interested in it the first time around -- he never sicced the F.B.I. on Hillary Clinton, for example. This time he explicitly promised it to his followers, but he may decide he's got more important things to do when he gets into office.

The fact that President Trump did NOTHING to Hillary after he kicked her ass in 2016 PROVES what complete and utter felgercarp this statement is...

But yunno what??..

I am HOPING you are absolutely factually accurate.. I hope President Trump pursues all the illegal scumbag persecutors who changed the laws and created new laws and simply IGNORED the laws, SOLELY to persecute President Trump and preventing him from returning to the Oval Office where he belongs..

I HOPE PRESIDENT TRUMP DOES EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY HERE!!!

Because if there is ANYONE on the planet who DESERVES to have justice served to them ice cold, it would be those moron Democrats who did this..

I am going to get to the rest of your DEMOCRAT WET DREAM THAT SEES AMERICA DESTROYED later.. I gotta work again tonight and I owe Liz some comments.. :D

Ye who hides behind where he gets his news has no legitimacy criticizing other's sources...

Your dehumanizing ad hominems are about as un-American as it gets. A patriot you are not...

Do you get your "news" from anywhere else besides HuffPoop??? WaPoop doesn't count...

Just curious. :eyeroll:

Democrats are adding two Black women to their ranks in the Senate —

Yunno… In the perfectly colorblind world that you Democrats CLAIM you want, the ONLY logical and rational response to that would be "Yea?? So???"

How can we live in the completely colorblind world you Democrats CLAIM you want if you Democrats are ALWAYS making things about race??

Do you know what kind of person ALWAYS makes EVERYTHING about race??

A racist person..

Think about it. :eyeroll:

Do you HEAR YOURSELF!!!???

But in any case, it's one supervisor and 20 homes according to the article.

Oh.. It was ONLY 20 families that were denied EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE after the most TRAMAUTIC event a family could go thru and was DENIED this EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE solely because of who they voted for!!!

ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE!!????

The fact that you can make such a FUCKING INSANE statement in so blasé a manner about such blatant and heinous bigotry shows how far you and your fellow Trump/American hating Demon'rats have fallen down the abyss of hatred and bigotry..

You people aren't fit to be called human beings..

'Angela Alsobrooks, the top elected official in Prince George’s County, Maryland, is projected to beat Republican former Gov. Larry Hogan, becoming the state’s first Black female senator.
...
Democrats are adding two Black women to their ranks in the Senate — Alsobrooks and Delaware’s Lisa Blunt Rochester, who is expected to easily win Tuesday. Only two Black women have ever been elected to the U.S. Senate: Kamala Harris of California and Carol Moseley Braun of Illinois. The chamber currently has zero Black women.'
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/angela-alsobrooks-defeats-larry-hogan-maryland_n_6727e524e4b0cfb9cc69d68a

Is Trump lying about his first actions? Is he going to spend a estimated trillion dollars to root out and deport or put in camps all illegals aliens in this country? Is he going to levy tariffs from 10% or 20% and 60% specifically for china? Is he going to do extrajudicial vengeance on his enemies? We have audio on all this. You want us to give him chance to prove he was lying? Or do you support these policies?

The second part I see you are hiding behind a Daily Wire article. Why not link? But in any case, it's one supervisor and 20 homes according to the article. The agency profusely apologized, removed the person responsible and is taking the situation most seriously. Compare that to Trump who refused disaster aid to Washington state after devastating fires and tried the same in California until someone in his administration pointed out that the affected part of California was deeply red...

Of course they won't give President ELECT a chance. What with the virulent PTDS and Trump/America hate, these people here would rather see America burned down to ashes rather than see President ELECT Trump succeed.

Are you really surprised by this??

And NOW we hear FEMA supervisor told FEMA workers NOT to help victims of hurricane Milton if the had TRUMP signs in front of their homes.

Again, are you surprised by this???

You might be right about this. But, geez Louise, why not just give the guy a chance to prove you wrong before you spend too much more time and effort on more predictions.

Actually, there is quite a lot Democrats could do if they were so inclined. But, I don't think they are, so ...

This may be one time when the sequel is much better.