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		<title>By: ChrisWeigant.com &#187; Friday Talking Points -- From Liz Cheney To Bruce Springsteen</title>
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		<title>By: Kick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 05:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nypoet22 
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&lt;i&gt;i believe the thirteenth has generally referred to the other kind of labor. &lt;/i&gt; 

Well, women are definitely being involuntarily forced by their government to serve as baby producers in violation of their rights under multiple amendments. They&#039;re also being denied health care that is available to other women by virtue of the geographic location of their residence, which is also equally a violation. 

&lt;i&gt;to my mind regulating abortion is a greater violation of the establishment clause in the first, and the fourth&#039;s right to be secure in one&#039;s person and effects.&lt;/i&gt;

Those too, definitely, and while we&#039;re on the subject, it&#039;s also a definite violation of the Due Process Clause under the 14th Amendment: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Due Process of Law

SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.  

~ United States Constitution, XIV Amendment &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Self-explanatory reading. A female child or woman&#039;s state of residence should have no bearing on whether or not she has certain rights under the equal protection clause of the constitution. 

JD Vance ought to read that constitution after somebody explains science to him and how a fertilized egg isn&#039;t a chicken or a baby... but it could become one if someone -- not a government -- makes that choice for themselves. 

Hope your two (make that four) little ones are doing well. :)</description>
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<p><i>i believe the thirteenth has generally referred to the other kind of labor. </i> </p>
<p>Well, women are definitely being involuntarily forced by their government to serve as baby producers in violation of their rights under multiple amendments. They're also being denied health care that is available to other women by virtue of the geographic location of their residence, which is also equally a violation. </p>
<p><i>to my mind regulating abortion is a greater violation of the establishment clause in the first, and the fourth's right to be secure in one's person and effects.</i></p>
<p>Those too, definitely, and while we're on the subject, it's also a definite violation of the Due Process Clause under the 14th Amendment: </p>
<blockquote><p>Due Process of Law</p>
<p>SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.  </p>
<p>~ United States Constitution, XIV Amendment </p></blockquote>
<p>Self-explanatory reading. A female child or woman's state of residence should have no bearing on whether or not she has certain rights under the equal protection clause of the constitution. </p>
<p>JD Vance ought to read that constitution after somebody explains science to him and how a fertilized egg isn't a chicken or a baby... but it could become one if someone -- not a government -- makes that choice for themselves. </p>
<p>Hope your two (make that four) little ones are doing well. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 04:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Vance desperately tried to change the subject, saying: &quot;Tim, I&#039;m focused on the future,&quot; to which Walz shot back: &quot;That is a damning non-answer.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

Vance tried desperately to deflect the subject onto Kamala Harris and some kind of alleged attempts at censorship &quot;in the wake of 2020,&quot; which isn&#039;t exactly any sort of focus on the future, now is it? Walz missed the opportunity to point out that Donald Trump recently suggested that some people &quot;should be put in jail the way they talk about our judges and our justices,&quot; which is hysterical when you think about it considering what Trump has said about multiple of &quot;our judges&quot; to the point of putting the judges and their courtroom staff and families in danger, receiving threatening phone calls and multiple death threats from the MAGA cult minions if the judges failed to rule in Trump&#039;s favor... which isn&#039;t working out so well for Trump losing case after case after case. 

Walz should have made it clear that Vance was &lt;b&gt;only&lt;/b&gt; standing there across the podium from him because Trump definitely lost the election and needed a replacement who vowed to ignore the United States Constitution, and Vance volunteered to do what Vice President Pence refused to do: Join in the Trump-led conspiracy to defraud millions of voters in multiple states out of their votes by accepting knowingly illegally falsified certificates of ascertainment put together by Trump&#039;s campaign and delivered to the National Archives with the aim that Mike Pence would recognize those fraudulent falsified illegal records. Walz should have reminded Americans that falsifying records is the exact same crime for which Trump was indicted in New York on 34 counts and found guilty 34 times and for which Trump will be sentenced next month. 

Anyone seeing a pattern here with Donald Trump and the illegal falsifying of records in order to perpetrate a fraud? 

* In his business in order to get lower interest rates by inflating values... check. 

* On his property taxes in order to underpay by deflating values... check. 

* In his business in connection with the 2016 election in coverup of payouts made regarding the silencing of multiple adulterous affairs... check. 

* In the 2020 election in connection with a Trump-led conspiracy including the falsifying of fraudulent certificates of ascertainment with the intent to have his vice president recognize their validity... check. 

I could go on regarding the theft of documents which Trump admittedly took (stole) from the United States in violation of the Espionage Act, but you get the idea.

I guarantee you that&#039;s a pattern Jack Smith has not failed to notice. It&#039;s a modus operandi wherein paper documents are involved... and &quot;Lordy, there are tapes&quot;... and although perpetrators like Trump lie repeatedly and like a rug, the tangible evidence does not. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Vance desperately tried to change the subject, saying: "Tim, I'm focused on the future," to which Walz shot back: "That is a damning non-answer." </i></p>
<p>Vance tried desperately to deflect the subject onto Kamala Harris and some kind of alleged attempts at censorship "in the wake of 2020," which isn't exactly any sort of focus on the future, now is it? Walz missed the opportunity to point out that Donald Trump recently suggested that some people "should be put in jail the way they talk about our judges and our justices," which is hysterical when you think about it considering what Trump has said about multiple of "our judges" to the point of putting the judges and their courtroom staff and families in danger, receiving threatening phone calls and multiple death threats from the MAGA cult minions if the judges failed to rule in Trump's favor... which isn't working out so well for Trump losing case after case after case. </p>
<p>Walz should have made it clear that Vance was <b>only</b> standing there across the podium from him because Trump definitely lost the election and needed a replacement who vowed to ignore the United States Constitution, and Vance volunteered to do what Vice President Pence refused to do: Join in the Trump-led conspiracy to defraud millions of voters in multiple states out of their votes by accepting knowingly illegally falsified certificates of ascertainment put together by Trump's campaign and delivered to the National Archives with the aim that Mike Pence would recognize those fraudulent falsified illegal records. Walz should have reminded Americans that falsifying records is the exact same crime for which Trump was indicted in New York on 34 counts and found guilty 34 times and for which Trump will be sentenced next month. </p>
<p>Anyone seeing a pattern here with Donald Trump and the illegal falsifying of records in order to perpetrate a fraud? </p>
<p>* In his business in order to get lower interest rates by inflating values... check. </p>
<p>* On his property taxes in order to underpay by deflating values... check. </p>
<p>* In his business in connection with the 2016 election in coverup of payouts made regarding the silencing of multiple adulterous affairs... check. </p>
<p>* In the 2020 election in connection with a Trump-led conspiracy including the falsifying of fraudulent certificates of ascertainment with the intent to have his vice president recognize their validity... check. </p>
<p>I could go on regarding the theft of documents which Trump admittedly took (stole) from the United States in violation of the Espionage Act, but you get the idea.</p>
<p>I guarantee you that's a pattern Jack Smith has not failed to notice. It's a modus operandi wherein paper documents are involved... and "Lordy, there are tapes"... and although perpetrators like Trump lie repeatedly and like a rug, the tangible evidence does not. :)</p>
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		<title>By: nypoet22</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 04:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i believe the thirteenth has generally referred to the other kind of labor. to my mind regulating abortion is a greater violation of the establishment clause in the first, and the fourth&#039;s right to be secure in one&#039;s person and effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i believe the thirteenth has generally referred to the other kind of labor. to my mind regulating abortion is a greater violation of the establishment clause in the first, and the fourth's right to be secure in one's person and effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 04:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;On abortion, for instance, Vance insisted (wrongly) that he had never called for a national abortion ban, instead he had merely &quot;talk[ed] about setting some sort of minimum standard,&quot; which sounds ever-so-much nicer, right?&lt;/i&gt;

Wrong.

Because no politician nor judge should be talking about minimum standards on the use of abortion to end a pregnancy. That discussion should be entirely and exclusively between a pregnant woman and her doctor. Full stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>On abortion, for instance, Vance insisted (wrongly) that he had never called for a national abortion ban, instead he had merely "talk[ed] about setting some sort of minimum standard," which sounds ever-so-much nicer, right?</i></p>
<p>Wrong.</p>
<p>Because no politician nor judge should be talking about minimum standards on the use of abortion to end a pregnancy. That discussion should be entirely and exclusively between a pregnant woman and her doctor. Full stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Kick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 03:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;On abortion, for instance, Vance insisted (wrongly) that he had never called for a national abortion ban, instead he had merely &quot;talk[ed] about setting some sort of minimum standard,&quot; which sounds ever-so-much nicer, right? &lt;/i&gt;

Nope, not to me; it sounds exactly like an outright gaslighting LIE, particularly when the following facts are easily verifiable:

* On January 27, 2022, on a &quot;Very Fine People&quot; podcast, Vance said: &quot;I certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally&quot; and was &quot;sympathetic&quot; to the view that a national ban was necessary to stop women from traveling across states to obtain an abortion. So girls and women of childbearing age traveling in America? Can&#039;t have that. Vance woefully lamented on the podcast that &quot;every day George Soros sends a 747 to Columbus to load up disproportionately Black women to get them to go have abortions in California.&quot; &lt;b&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/17/politics/kfile-jd-vance-abortion-comments/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anyone who values facts can easily listen to the audio.&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;/b&gt;

* In January 2023, JD Vance along with dozens of Republican lawmakers signed onto &lt;b&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24834197/20230123-letter-on-comstock-to-doj.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;correspondence to Merrick Garland urging the Department of Justice to enforce the Comstock Act, circa 1873&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;/b&gt; part of their ongoing attempts to ban abortion nationwide (even in states where it is legal) without need of any congressional legislation whatsoever: &quot;We demand that you act swiftly and in accordance with the law, shut down all mail-order abortion operations.&quot; Vance and the Republicans called on the Justice Department to potentially prosecute physicians, pharmacists and others &quot;who break the Federal mail-order abortion laws&quot; and cited additional federal laws that apply to criminal conspiracy and money laundering.

Vance has also said multiple times that he doesn&#039;t believe in exceptions for rape and incest because &quot;two wrongs don&#039;t make a right.&quot; So Vance is perfectly fine to ignore the rights of life and liberty of female children and adult women who are victims of rape and incest because a bunch of medically uneducated, unqualified Big Government bloviating morons want to impose an unfunded mandate of the forced birth of the spawn of male criminals by their victims... making them victims twice. 

Seriously, the United States government has no business forcing female citizens to carry the spawn of male predators to term. It&#039;s &quot;involuntary servitude&quot; and against the United States Constitution: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thirteenth Amendment

Section 1

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>On abortion, for instance, Vance insisted (wrongly) that he had never called for a national abortion ban, instead he had merely "talk[ed] about setting some sort of minimum standard," which sounds ever-so-much nicer, right? </i></p>
<p>Nope, not to me; it sounds exactly like an outright gaslighting LIE, particularly when the following facts are easily verifiable:</p>
<p>* On January 27, 2022, on a "Very Fine People" podcast, Vance said: "I certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally" and was "sympathetic" to the view that a national ban was necessary to stop women from traveling across states to obtain an abortion. So girls and women of childbearing age traveling in America? Can't have that. Vance woefully lamented on the podcast that "every day George Soros sends a 747 to Columbus to load up disproportionately Black women to get them to go have abortions in California." <b> <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/17/politics/kfile-jd-vance-abortion-comments/index.html" rel="nofollow">Anyone who values facts can easily listen to the audio.</a>  </b></p>
<p>* In January 2023, JD Vance along with dozens of Republican lawmakers signed onto <b> <a href="https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24834197/20230123-letter-on-comstock-to-doj.pdf" rel="nofollow">correspondence to Merrick Garland urging the Department of Justice to enforce the Comstock Act, circa 1873</a>, </b> part of their ongoing attempts to ban abortion nationwide (even in states where it is legal) without need of any congressional legislation whatsoever: "We demand that you act swiftly and in accordance with the law, shut down all mail-order abortion operations." Vance and the Republicans called on the Justice Department to potentially prosecute physicians, pharmacists and others "who break the Federal mail-order abortion laws" and cited additional federal laws that apply to criminal conspiracy and money laundering.</p>
<p>Vance has also said multiple times that he doesn't believe in exceptions for rape and incest because "two wrongs don't make a right." So Vance is perfectly fine to ignore the rights of life and liberty of female children and adult women who are victims of rape and incest because a bunch of medically uneducated, unqualified Big Government bloviating morons want to impose an unfunded mandate of the forced birth of the spawn of male criminals by their victims... making them victims twice. </p>
<p>Seriously, the United States government has no business forcing female citizens to carry the spawn of male predators to term. It's "involuntary servitude" and against the United States Constitution: </p>
<blockquote><p>Thirteenth Amendment</p>
<p>Section 1</p>
<p>Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. </p></blockquote>
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