Trump edition

I fear that for some people, it's darker than 'I don't care about you.' They don't think people unlike themselves deserve healthcare, education or whatever and will vote down any attempts to broaden access or to increase a benefit because of that.

Not just 'I don't care whether your kids go to a good school,' but 'I don't actually want your kids to have as good an education as mine, so I will vote against all bond issues, even though that holds up improvements to my kids' school.' 'If we increase child benefits, those parents will just spend it on drugs, so we won't help anyone.'

According to TASS (the Russian version of Fox), Moscow will provide assistance to any foreigners who want to escape the neoliberal ideals being put forward in their countries and move to Russia, where traditional values reign supreme, according to a decree signed by President Vladimir Putin.

And remember to take your firearms with you because Vlad the Impaler needs soldiers to fight for Russia's historical "traditional values" of invading sovereign nations and sending them fleeing into the (mostly) welcoming arms of NATO.

Traitor Alex Jones is enthused! "If you're ready to reject the insane policies of your home countries that push these destructive, anti-human, neoliberal agendas, Russia is rolling out the red carpet!"

Red carpet!? I would say "pun intended" if Alex Jones wasn't such an inveterate ignoramus where speaking and words and talking are concerned.

Hope is a wonderful thing! I wonder if Soros would buy each and every MAGAt a ticket to paradise as a hostage in a Russian dungeon.

They keep whining about living in a third world country so deport all their asses to Chechnya. :)

Mike built the Big Beautiful Wall, didn't he?

Abortion bans
Injecting bleach
Huge tariff tax on everything
Bomb Mexico
Turn Ukraine over to the Russians
Concentration camps
Deportation of the agricultural work force

Policy!

Short Bus Don knows economic policy.

That is one way of interpreting what I said in that comment and subsequent comments, but not the only one.

Obviously. I did it my way .

Having a real back and forth in a comments section like this is how to achieve better understanding.

See above. :)

IOW, LizM, the GOP economic plan is gaslighting.

Let me rephrase, again...

Okay, then ignore [60]. :)

The economy is still the most important issue for voters and Democrats should win any economic policy debate with Republicans if they can make the arguments that can persuade voters that they are the better stewards of the economy.

This!

Easier path to winning the "economic policy debate" is to remind voters they can't trust Donald Trump because:

* Trump ran the economy into the ground with his pathetic and disastrous handling of the COVID-19 pandemic.

* Imagine being POTUS for four years -- and an alleged Wharton student -- and still not understanding "Economics 101" and the fact that tariffs are a tax that is paid by Americans in the form of higher prices. Trump is doubling down on the stupid and promising more of that.

I could go on. :)

Even the most rational sounding Republican and conservative arguments on the economy are "political arguments masquerading as substance."

Yep. It's a lot of throwing around the word "communism." Same shit, different day.

There has never been a single presidential election in America that has been won (or lost) based on a single policy issue.

That is one way of interpreting what I said in that comment and subsequent comments, but not the only one. Having a real back and forth in a comments section like this is how to achieve better understanding.

I tend to think that it means "My employer provides a health insurance plan and I don't give a damn that yours doesn't."

Traitor Alex Jones is enthused! "If you're ready to reject the insane policies of your home countries that push these destructive, anti-human, neoliberal agendas, Russia is rolling out the red carpet!"

Hope is a wonderful thing! I wonder if Soros would buy each and every MAGAt a ticket to paradise as a hostage in a Russian dungeon.

As counter intuitive as it may seem to some, the only policy issue that Dems can really win on if they play it well is the economy.

Absolutely incorrect, Canada. There has never been a single presidential election in America that has been won (or lost) based on a single policy issue.

J. Michael Luttig endorses vice president Kamala Harris

The economy is still the most important issue for voters and Democrats should win any economic policy debate with Republicans if they can make the arguments that can persuade voters that they are the better stewards of the economy.

Even the most rational sounding Republican and conservative arguments on the economy are "political arguments masquerading as substance."

As counter intuitive as it may seem to some, the only policy issue that Dems can really win on if they play it well is the economy.

Way off track.

Did you watch the pertinent debate I linked to?

This morning on Fox Notnews, JD Whateverhisnameis said:

"We can't worry about polls."

Just Dumb Whateverhisnameis especially hates the polls showing his (un)favorability rating in the double digits and climbing still:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/jd-vance/

I think Just Dumb is receiving these horrid favorability ratings because he's running around the country running his mouth running down a soldier who served his country for almost a quarter century while at the same time he's cock holstering a 34-time fraudulent felon fake 4-F draft-dodging coward, and that's just dumb.

LOL. Short Fingers is obsessed with polls so fake nonchalance regarding them turning dramatically against you is unconvincing, not to mention a clear acknowledgement that you're LOSING.

Exactly this, John! If one day you're bragging relentlessly about your poll numbers and then today you're all...

The media uses fake polls to drive down Republican turnout and to create dissension and conflict with Republican voters.

~ Just Dumb Vance

... inventing the latest in a long line of GOP conspiracy theories about those same polls, you just might be an effing imbecile.

This attitude is nothing new, and other may be defined by class, nationality, religion, being any kind of outsider--over the state line or from the next valley or next village--not just race. It's always been applied to later immigrants. And it's not just North American.

That’s exactly what Republicans have fashioned — millionaires get richer while the rest of us fight each other for the crumbs that fall from their table.

How ‘bout this one, Elizabeth?

Could it be that 'everybody gets health care' is a problem to some people because that means 'people who aren't like me get health care too'?

I have a horrible feeling that there are people who would go hungry themselves before letting other people eat as well.

You’re all going to be thrown into a communist system. It’s a communist system. You’re going to be thrown into a system where everybody gets health care.

The stupidity is mind boggling. A communist system where the Dow Jones is at a record level and billionaires are like locusts? LOL.

How’s this TP, Elizabeth?

How do you figure? Last I saw the still too early to be predictive polls show Kamala at least even with if not ahead in the swing states.

Let me rephrase ... voters don't have to understand the fundamentals of sound economic policy.

All they have to understand is what distinguishes Republican from Democratic thinking on economic policy and how damaging the decades long record of Republican administrations has been on the economic health of the country.

Chris knows how this is done and I expect he will soon devote a few FTP columns to precisely how Dems should talk about the economy in ways that voters will understand well enough.

“Giving Kamala Harris control over inflation policy, Shannon, it’s like giving Jeffrey Epstein control over human trafficking policy.”

LOL. That's right, Fat Donny's human trafficker buddy! JD is not very good at this.

I'd say they could but they won't. It takes a bunch of time and effort. There are way more things to do, even just things to learn about, than any one person can. Most people aren't going to put in the effort on econ.

"It’s a tax on a foreign county. It's a tax that's ripping us off and taking our jobs. And it's a tax that doesn’t affect our country."

Yep. That is exactly what that know-nothing Loony Goon said.
It's so unfair that people actually want a president to know stuff. Sad.

"We can't worry about polls."

LOL. Short Fingers is obsessed with polls so fake nonchalance regarding them turning dramatically against you is unconvincing, not to mention a clear acknowledgement that you're LOSING.

The dipshit Nazi troll's cut-and-paste job in [32} is dated 8/17/24. Please note the date of this statement from Rampell:

Yes there was still some silliness in her speech, but her comments on prices were more toned down than campaign factsheet sent to reporters (punishing companies that raise prices above their costs etc). A generic call to increase antitrust enforcement is fine and I support it.

https://t.co/HF97UxxMq8 — Catherine Rampell (@crampell)
August 16, 2024

Lying is all the troll and his corpulent idol have got.

Today's cut-and-paste uncredited plagiarism posted by the troll is the partisan opinion of the GOP's Scott Jennings, a Republican mouthpiece for multiple decades.

Repetitive regurgitation of GOP talking points and obvious Republican rhetoric in monotonous attempts to pass them off as left-wing opinions reeks with the stench of desperation or ignorance... or both.

When America's Homecoming queen and king Taylor and Travis mobilize the Swifties for Harris/Walz, it'll be so unfair to Fat Donny.

Heh. Poor Fat Donny. Everything is unfair to him. If you don't believe me, just listen to him whine constantly about living in a third-world country... as if! If he hates America so much, he should GTFO. Oh, wait; he actually can't because he's a convicted felon.

It seems likely that Swift will either endorse Harris/Walz or no other presidential ticket in 2024 because she's already famously voiced her absolutely dead-on accurate assessment of Trump and his bullshit:

The thing I can't get over right now is gaslighting the American public into being like... 'If you hate the president, you hate America.' We're a democracy — at least, we're supposed to be — where you're allowed to disagree, dissent, debate. I really think that he thinks this is an autocracy.

~ Taylor Swift regarding Donald Trump

Then there's the fact she allowed her music to be used in a Biden/Harris campaign video in 2020, that I will post (not for the first time):

Only the Young - Biden/Harris campaign video

The first voice you hear on the campaign video? Kamala Harris

And she famously posted on Twitter, now Ex:

Taylor Swift
@taylorswift13

After stoking the fires of white supremacy and racism your entire presidency, you have the nerve to feign moral superiority before threatening violence? ‘When the looting starts the shooting starts’??? We will vote you out in November. @realdonaldtrump

10:33 AM * May 29, 2020

Swift: We will vote you out

And she was dead-on accurate about that too.

Meanwhile, they're already on record losing their collective shit about this over on Fox News -- remember the Super Bowl conspiracy bullshit -- and spewing stupid stuff like "shut up and sing" and "childless cat lady."

If anyone ever wondered the meaning of the phrase "Stupid is as Stupid does," it's akin to the prattling talking heads on Fox News and the MAGA morons who mainline their asinine propaganda bullshit and regurgitate it like useful idiots all over social media. LOL MAGA Monkeys

Most of corporate or billionaire-owned MSM won’t report their meal ticket Trump’s weirdness because otherwise this campaign would be over. But Trump still hasn’t reached any new voters, the Dems are fired up and sentencing starts off Trump’s legal trail of tears.

MSM will stick to their game plan until November’s result isn’t in doubt and suddenly focus on the Trump Trials(c).

Just Trump taking both sides of the issue, as he so frequently does depending on the issue and what crowd he's addressing.

It should also be pointed out that Convicted Felon Donald Trump already voted in the primary in Florida because statutes of the State of New York allow convicted felons to vote unless they are incarcerated at the time of an election, and Florida follows the law of the state in which the conviction took place. If Trump is ever convicted in Florida, he would lose his voting rights until he serves his entire sentence and pays any imposed fines. The stolen documents case isn't going away as easily as it seems Trump believes it is... unless he is elected... so we should definitely collectively vote in numbers off the charts to ensure that never happens.

They can't seem to get their water carriers to toe the line..

Basically, Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris and NO-BALLZ Walz said "Yunno what.. Let's simply ignore all the times that socialism has failed and try it again. We can make it work this time!!"

:epic eyeroll:

I don't even have to get into Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris' border incompetency...

But of course, ya'all know I will. :D

But for now, it's time ta get ready for work.. I am really beginning to enjoy 12 hr shifts! :D

Harris Is Lying, There Is No Price-Gouging, Only Inflation

The bottom line is, the Republicans are going to be all over this. It's not smart and its a plan from a ticket that has no private sector experience and no -- and no interest whatsoever and taking responsibility for everything they have done to plunge the working class of the United States of America and do an economic crisis.
-CNN

Holy crap, CNN!!!

Don't keep it all bottled up inside... Tell us how you REALLY feel..

CNN can expect a visit from the Progressive Left Wingery Thought Gestapo in the near future..

:eyeroll:

Kamalanomics sucks.. It really does..

The vast majority of Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris' economic ideas are rooted in socialism..

A form of government that has been PROVEN a complete and utter failure. Time and time and time and time again...

Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris and her socialist ideas stem from the socialist idea that government is (or, in this case SHOULD BE) more powerful than the people..

That it's GOVERNMENT that has all the answers.. That it's GOVERNMENT who should be the ultimate arbiter of everything you do and everything you need and everything you want..

A wise many once said that the scariest sentence in the human language is I am from the government and I am here to help

That is what Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris is saying to the American voter.

And the American voter should be very very VERY afraid..

"I know Trump is awful. But he's still better for America than Harris. When your opponent calls you 'communist,' maybe don't propose price controls? Harris' policy plan would be a sweeping set of government-enforced price controls across every industry, not only food. Supply and demand would no longer determine prices or profit levels. Far-off Washington bureaucrats would."
-WaPoop Writer Catherine Rampell

Even Uber UBER Demcorat Water Carrier WaPoop is crushing Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris' ignorant and dangerous economic plan..

Under the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 (happy second birthday, 08/16), the $35 cap on insulin went into effect in 2023 for Medicare recipients, the $2,000 cap on out-of-pocket drug costs begins soon, and I'll bet everyone can guess how many Republicans voted to pass that bill. Zero. Not a single Republican in the so-called "Party of family values" voted to pass it in the House or in the Senate where Vice President Kamala Harris broke the tie, and Republicans and Trump will gut it the first chance they get if allowed.

Again, courtesy of Uber Demcorat Water Carrier USA TODAY..

Next up, price controls for groceries

This is a lie from one of the oldest tricks in the book: Demonize companies for abiding by capitalistic principles and then propose reforms that throttle businesses by placing the government at the helm.

What IS it about Demcorats that they simply lie right in the face of American voters?

The ONLY good economic ideas that Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris has had are the ones she has stolen from President Trump..

How hilarious is THAT!!?? :D :D :D

This little gem comes from USA TODAY...

Harris' economic plan promises voters affordable groceries and homes. Don't fall for it.

No thanks, Oprah. I mean, Kamala.

Every time the government offers subsidies for anything, what happens??

The dealers of those items simply raises the price of the subsidy'ed item..

Even an economic-challenged magoo such as myself understands THAT.. :eyeroll:

I’ll review it and revert.**

**Do they say “revert” in Canada? How about “enclosed please find…?”

Always good to see you.. :D

If the Dems wish to make any headway with voters on the economy, then talking about price gouging ain't the way to do it. I'll agree with you on that.

Yep. Yep. Yep.

Price controls have never worked when they were applied in modern times.

The fact that Harris would go there simply indicates the level of desperation that the Harris campaign is at..

It smacks of the same level of desperation that Harris sunk to when she accused Joe Biden of being a racist.. :eyeroll:

How would you describe the Republican plan - in the overall and generally speaking - for a pro-growth tax and fiscal policy?

You know that economics is not my chosen forte.. :D

But I can tell you that President Trump DOES have a lot of good ideas about the economy??

How do we know this??

Because Harris keeps stealing his ideas and trying to pass them off as her own.. :D

These are the fundamentals upon which you can draw the critical distinctions between Democratic and Republican administrations.

There is an easy way to show those critical distinctions..

Simply compare how things were under President Trump and how things are under Vice President Harris..

Diet Coke 12pk
Under President Trump?? $3.49
Under Vice President Harris $10.59

Gallon of gas
Under President Trump?? Roughly $2.12 per gallon
Under Vice President Harris?? Roughly $6.47 per gallon

Jar of mayonnaise
Under President Trump?? $2.49
Under Vice President Harris?? $9.89

Those are the critical distinctions that the average American voter are going to draw..

All the rest is nothing but campaign hyperbole..

Are you talkin' to me!?

That was a question directed at Michale.

Awww, don't mind JFC... He lost so many brain cells due to drug abuse he no longer has any functional ones left.. :D

Furthermore, to trivialize the Republican "plan" with juvenile language doesn't help.

Word.... :D

Then how can they be made to understand? My point is that Democrats have done little to make that understanding happen. :(

They really haven't..

It's because they are too busy catering to the hysterical Progressive Left Wingery…

For a clear understanding of my reasoning with regard to economic policy and how Democrats should be talking about it, I would strongly encourage you to take a look at the Geithner-Holtz Eakin debate I linked to above.

And, you might want to send it to the Harris-Walz campaign, as well. You know, for use after Labour Day! It wouldn't hurt.

You will frequently find that the cowardly fake 4-Fs like Trump and one-tour public relations pencil pushers like Bowman/Hamel/Vance (or whatever he's calling himself these days) who've never even come close to full battle rattle haven't got a clue what they're talking about and are generally all hat no cattle, all talk no knowledge and a lot of BS all the time.

Not only did Trump flub the name of it (it's just the "Medal of Honor") but he once again showed his contempt for those who serve.

No big deal that Trump referred to it as the "Congressional Medal of Honor" because it's frequently referred to that way because it's presented in the name of Congress; however, it's batshit crazy and ignorant of facts to claim that "everyone gets" it and demeans the honor it represents. Trump's claims "they're soldiers" also discounts the fact they're also sailors, airmen, marines, etc. You think Trump is even aware there isn't simply one type MOH? There's a different MOH for Army, Navy, and Air Force and departments therein, but I would wager without hesitation that Trump has no clue.

The campaign doesn’t really start until after Labor Day and a smart campaign waits until Americans start paying attention. Joe might be too institutional to think in these terms but I expect Kamala to use it when it counts.

Harris is already even or slightly ahead of Trump regarding the economy.

If you’re going to make a blanket statement about price gouging or anything else please include your reasoning.

And yes, cult of economic failure is lame and useless outside a faculty lounge, maybe. You can do better.

That is certainly true.

I just don't understand why Dems don't harp on this, at infinitum, at every opportunity.

I remember a speech that Biden gave as the vice presidential candidate in 2008. He explained that there is a substantial record, over the course of decades, of Republican administrations leaving economic messes on the order of magnitude of the Augean Stables for Democratic administrations to clean up. And, that was the first and last time that I ever heard a Democratic politician make that argument in quite that colourful way.

IMO that is a lost cause. Experiencing economic calamity every time a Republican is president hasn't worked and there is a vast, deplorable right-wing propaganda machine lying to them for profit. The liars are living high on the hog. How can they be wrong?

They can't and they don't. That's the problem with your argument. They believe that presidents can control the cost of gasoline, insulin, housing, eggs, etc. They don't understand how their own government works, let alone the economy. Maybe a civics teacher as VP can chip away at that wall of ignorance, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Chill out!

Here's what I'm talking about ... while it's from 2010, it is still highly relevant today!

Here, former treasury secretary Timothy Geithner debates Republican policy advisor Doug Holtz-Eakin on apro-growth strategy for tax and fiscal policy.

If voters can't understand the fundamentals of economic policy, then they will continue to believe in the fantasy that Republicans are the best stewards of the economy - whether personally, nationally or globally speaking. This is the opportunity that Democrats consistently squander.

Your "cult of economic failure" on endless loop is old and tired like your hero. I am more than 100% unconcerned with what you believe is juvenile and/or helpful. Since you think you know what the plan is already, why are you asking a malignant, racist, bad faith propaganda troll?

I was not trivializing the Republican "plan". There is none other than what I outlined. A voter asked the orange one what he'd do to control rent costs for his adult children and "drill baby drill" was the answer he got. Check the video for yourself.

"How would you describe the Republican plan" Please try to keep up. The Republican party in 2024 is a cult.

Are you talkin' to me!?

That was a question directed at Michale.

And, the cult of economic failure dates all the way back to the Reagan and (David) Stockton years, at least, and continues largely intact to this day, Trump or no Trump.

Please try to keep up. The Republican party in 2024 is a cult. The "plan" is to do whatever asinine idea pops into simpleton Dear Leader's dementia brain.

* Drill baby drill
* Tariffs on everything from China (and who knows? Maybe Germany)
* Deport all of the agricultural laborers
* Tax cuts for Elon and Thiel
* No tax on tips (something that mostly already doesn't get taxed)
* Bomb Mexico

If the Dems wish to make any headway with voters on the economy, then talking about price gouging ain't the way to do it. I'll agree with you on that.

How would you describe the Republican plan - in the overall and generally speaking - for a pro-growth tax and fiscal policy? These are the fundamentals upon which you can draw the critical distinctions between Democratic and Republican administrations.

Fat Donny gave us all a preview of his economic destruction "plan" during a couple of recent "press conferences". They were exactly what one would expect from an infantile 78 year old convicted felon and ignoramus.

"Drill baby drill" with a huge inflationary tax on American consumers in the form of tariffs on almost everything we buy is what he's selling. The icing on the fruitcake was a big dollop of hate for Medal of Honor recipients. They don't generate any cash for Big Orange. He prefers casino billionaires over those icky amputated war hero suckers and losers.

He should book his flight to Venezuela before it's too late.

Let's see what Uber Demcorat Water Carrier CNN has to say about it..

Harris' plan to stop price gouging could create more problems than it solves

And while Harris claims her proposal “will help the food industry become more competitive,” Roberts said it would do just the opposite. “It’s more likely to maintain that status quo,” he said because it would keep new competition from moving in to take advantage of the bigger profit margins — competition that could have helped lower prices in the long run.

Government Price Controls has been tried many times.. EACH and EVERY time it caused more problems than there would have been without government interference...

Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris' plan is un-serious and only put out there to try and buy votes..

Anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together would realize that Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris is just spewing nonsense in an effort to stay afloat...

:eyeroll:

For example, both AOC and Ilar Oman (IO anyone?) survived a difficult primary, the latter by the barest of margins.

But these two are the only Democratic Congresscritters in trouble. There are at least ten Republicans similarly situated to one degree or another (think Matt Gaetz).

We've still got Bob Menendez for a few more days.

Now this obese ignoramus is calling the black lady stupid and inarticulate (although he doesn't use big words like that). This is likely to blow up in his face as well when he looks stupid and articulate, not to mention old, senile, and feeble.

We'll see. Trumpanzees are in a cult. It won't matter to them. On the other hand, it does make the swift boating of Governor Walz problematic for his propaganda machine.