Comments on: First Debate Will Be All About Style Over Substance http://www.chrisweigant.com/2024/06/12/first-debate-will-be-all-about-style-over-substance/ Reality-based political commentary Tue, 05 May 2026 04:46:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: andygaus http://www.chrisweigant.com/2024/06/12/first-debate-will-be-all-about-style-over-substance/#comment-209746 andygaus Fri, 14 Jun 2024 01:48:15 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=25153#comment-209746 The debate may change a lot of minds if people see on uncensored national television just how Trump's mind switches on and off in midsentence: "When I am president, I will use Title 42 to stop try...we have to do this." The debate may change a lot of minds if people see on uncensored national television just how Trump's mind switches on and off in midsentence: "When I am president, I will use Title 42 to stop try...we have to do this."

]]> By: dsws http://www.chrisweigant.com/2024/06/12/first-debate-will-be-all-about-style-over-substance/#comment-209743 dsws Thu, 13 Jun 2024 19:28:08 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=25153#comment-209743 I think there are a lot of people who dislike both candidates, and dislike politics in general, but sort of feel that it's their patriotic duty to vote. Most of them aren't undecided about which to vote for if they vote, only about whether to vote. The debate won't influence them directly, but it may nudge the level of disgust with politics among the acquaintances of their acquaintances, which would filter through to them. I think there are a lot of people who dislike both candidates, and dislike politics in general, but sort of feel that it's their patriotic duty to vote. Most of them aren't undecided about which to vote for if they vote, only about whether to vote. The debate won't influence them directly, but it may nudge the level of disgust with politics among the acquaintances of their acquaintances, which would filter through to them.

]]> By: MtnCaddy http://www.chrisweigant.com/2024/06/12/first-debate-will-be-all-about-style-over-substance/#comment-209742 MtnCaddy Thu, 13 Jun 2024 17:20:33 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=25153#comment-209742 I don’t think this first debate will move the needle in the least because we’re still five months out from the election, both men are totally known quantities — just who hasn’t made up their mind about Trump? And I don’t think Trump’s handlers will even let him debate, you watch. I don’t think this first debate will move the needle in the least because we’re still five months out from the election, both men are totally known quantities — just who hasn’t made up their mind about Trump? And I don’t think Trump’s handlers will even let him debate, you watch.

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2024/06/12/first-debate-will-be-all-about-style-over-substance/#comment-209740 nypoet22 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 13:01:39 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=25153#comment-209740 @kick, twelve apostles? wow, donald really IS like jesus. JL @kick,

twelve apostles? wow, donald really IS like jesus.

JL

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2024/06/12/first-debate-will-be-all-about-style-over-substance/#comment-209737 Kick Thu, 13 Jun 2024 07:39:29 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=25153#comment-209737 dsws 3 <i>If Hunter Biden somehow gets nominated as the Democratic candidate for some contested office on my ballot, well first of all, Bertrand Russell and I will both be the Pope. </i> Ergo Benedictus PP. XVI and Franciscus! <i>Hunter Biden isn't going to run for anything, he wouldn't be nominated if he did, it wouldn't be in my state, and no elections on a typical general-election ballot are contested in a non-swing state. </i> Quod erat demonstrandum. <i>But if he somehow did, I would probably vote for him. The Republican Party is that bad. </i> But how!? Doesn't matter. Republicans definitely <b>are</b> that bad, and suddenly I find myself infinitely persuadable. :) dsws
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If Hunter Biden somehow gets nominated as the Democratic candidate for some contested office on my ballot, well first of all, Bertrand Russell and I will both be the Pope.

Ergo Benedictus PP. XVI and Franciscus!

Hunter Biden isn't going to run for anything, he wouldn't be nominated if he did, it wouldn't be in my state, and no elections on a typical general-election ballot are contested in a non-swing state.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

But if he somehow did, I would probably vote for him. The Republican Party is that bad.

But how!? Doesn't matter. Republicans definitely are that bad, and suddenly I find myself infinitely persuadable. :)

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2024/06/12/first-debate-will-be-all-about-style-over-substance/#comment-209736 Kick Thu, 13 Jun 2024 06:36:05 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=25153#comment-209736 CW <i>In fact, neither person on stage will officially be their party's nominee at this point, since the conventions will happen afterwards. </i> Okay, but one of them <b>is</b> officially the current President of the United States, and -- shhhhhhhh -- nobody tell the right-wingnut QAnon conspiracy and MAGA cult lunatics that it isn't the one they believe it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oXZXT3D0UE <i>It will be "Presumptive Republican Nominee Donald Trump" versus "Presumptive Democratic Nominee President Joe Biden." </i> CLOTUS versus POTUS: Convicted Loser of the United States versus President of the United States. <i>That alone sets it off from every other televised presidential debate. </i> Sure does. I'm also a big believer in presidents who don't surround themselves with a plethora of co-conspirators, aides, and legislators requesting preemptive pardons... and have a revolving door of actual convicts: * Paul Manafort: Trump's former campaign chairman who was charged, convicted/pleaded guilty, and sentenced to prison for multiple crimes, primarily tax fraud and defrauding banks and the government. * Rick Gates: Trump's former campaign vice chairman who was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison for criminal financial schemes and lying to federal investigators but did help with evidence in the multiple felony convictions of Paul Manafort and Roger Stone. * Michael Cohen: Trump's former personal lawyer/fixer who was charged, pleaded guilty, and sentenced to prison for multiple crimes including tax evasion, lying to Congress at Trump's direction, and campaign finance violations in connection with arranging hush money payments for Trump in a conspiracy coverup but did cooperate in the 34 guilty verdicts of Convicted Felon Donald Trump. * Roger Stone: Trump's former adviser and former campaign aide who was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison for multiple counts of witness tampering and false statements. * Peter Navarro: Trump's former adviser and former White House aide who was charged, convicted, and is currently in prison for criminal contempt of Congress. * George Papadopoulos: Trump's former campaign adviser who was charged and pleaded guilty of lying to the FBI and sentenced to prison. * Allen Weisselberg: The Trump Organization's former Chief Financial Officer who was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison for multiple crimes related to The Trump Organization, released and now currently in prison again for committing perjury for Trump during his most recent civil fraud trial wherein Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Jr., Eric Trump et alia were found liable for more than half a billion dollars for fraud against the People of the State of New York. * Michael Flynn: Trump's former White House national security advisor who was charged and convicted for lying to the FBI. * Steve Bannon: Trump's former chief strategist who was charged with wire fraud and money laundering and also charged and convicted in a contempt of Congress case similar to Peter Navarro. He's been ordered to prison on July 1, 2024. * Elliot Broidy: Trump's vice chair of his inaugural committee and deputy national finance chairman of the RNC who pleaded guilty to federal charges related to illegal lobbying. Michael Cohen also participated in yet another hush money coverup of Broidy's affair with a Playboy model. * Kenneth Chesebro: Trump's lawyer associated with his efforts to illegally keep Trump in power via conspiracy to commit fraud and fake electors scheming in multiple states, who pleaded guilty to crimes related to the 2020 election. * Sidney Powell: Trump's lawyer associated with her efforts to illegally keep Trump in power via conspiracy to commit fraud and fake electors scheming in multiple states, who pleaded guilty to crimes related to the 2020 election. * Jenna Ellis: Trump's lawyer associated with her efforts to illegally keep Trump in power via conspiracy to commit fraud and fake electors scheming in multiple states, who pleaded guilty to crimes related to the 2020 election. * The Trump Organization: Trump's business found criminally liable for multiple crimes including charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records connected to a 15-year scheme to defraud tax authorities by failing to report and pay taxes on compensation for top executives. Those are just the closely associated convictions (to date); it would take quite a lot more bandwidth to list those persons who armed themselves in various assorted ways and physically assaulted and maimed over one hundred police officers on 1/6 at the incitement of Donald Trump and multiple co-conspirators. <b>So, to recap</b>: * Convicted Felon Donald Trump is currently awaiting sentencing for being charged and convicted on 34 felony counts of falsification of business records in the first degree due to coverup of other crimes including election fraud beginning in 2015 (a pattern of election fraud that would continue into the 2020 election... you're welcome DA Fani Willis). * I like presidents who weren't convicted. CW

In fact, neither person on stage will officially be their party's nominee at this point, since the conventions will happen afterwards.

Okay, but one of them is officially the current President of the United States, and -- shhhhhhhh -- nobody tell the right-wingnut QAnon conspiracy and MAGA cult lunatics that it isn't the one they believe it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oXZXT3D0UE

It will be "Presumptive Republican Nominee Donald Trump" versus "Presumptive Democratic Nominee President Joe Biden."

CLOTUS versus POTUS: Convicted Loser of the United States versus President of the United States.

That alone sets it off from every other televised presidential debate.

Sure does.

I'm also a big believer in presidents who don't surround themselves with a plethora of co-conspirators, aides, and legislators requesting preemptive pardons... and have a revolving door of actual convicts:

* Paul Manafort: Trump's former campaign chairman who was charged, convicted/pleaded guilty, and sentenced to prison for multiple crimes, primarily tax fraud and defrauding banks and the government.

* Rick Gates: Trump's former campaign vice chairman who was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison for criminal financial schemes and lying to federal investigators but did help with evidence in the multiple felony convictions of Paul Manafort and Roger Stone.

* Michael Cohen: Trump's former personal lawyer/fixer who was charged, pleaded guilty, and sentenced to prison for multiple crimes including tax evasion, lying to Congress at Trump's direction, and campaign finance violations in connection with arranging hush money payments for Trump in a conspiracy coverup but did cooperate in the 34 guilty verdicts of Convicted Felon Donald Trump.

* Roger Stone: Trump's former adviser and former campaign aide who was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison for multiple counts of witness tampering and false statements.

* Peter Navarro: Trump's former adviser and former White House aide who was charged, convicted, and is currently in prison for criminal contempt of Congress.

* George Papadopoulos: Trump's former campaign adviser who was charged and pleaded guilty of lying to the FBI and sentenced to prison.

* Allen Weisselberg: The Trump Organization's former Chief Financial Officer who was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison for multiple crimes related to The Trump Organization, released and now currently in prison again for committing perjury for Trump during his most recent civil fraud trial wherein Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Jr., Eric Trump et alia were found liable for more than half a billion dollars for fraud against the People of the State of New York.

* Michael Flynn: Trump's former White House national security advisor who was charged and convicted for lying to the FBI.

* Steve Bannon: Trump's former chief strategist who was charged with wire fraud and money laundering and also charged and convicted in a contempt of Congress case similar to Peter Navarro. He's been ordered to prison on July 1, 2024.

* Elliot Broidy: Trump's vice chair of his inaugural committee and deputy national finance chairman of the RNC who pleaded guilty to federal charges related to illegal lobbying. Michael Cohen also participated in yet another hush money coverup of Broidy's affair with a Playboy model.

* Kenneth Chesebro: Trump's lawyer associated with his efforts to illegally keep Trump in power via conspiracy to commit fraud and fake electors scheming in multiple states, who pleaded guilty to crimes related to the 2020 election.

* Sidney Powell: Trump's lawyer associated with her efforts to illegally keep Trump in power via conspiracy to commit fraud and fake electors scheming in multiple states, who pleaded guilty to crimes related to the 2020 election.

* Jenna Ellis: Trump's lawyer associated with her efforts to illegally keep Trump in power via conspiracy to commit fraud and fake electors scheming in multiple states, who pleaded guilty to crimes related to the 2020 election.

* The Trump Organization: Trump's business found criminally liable for multiple crimes including charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records connected to a 15-year scheme to defraud tax authorities by failing to report and pay taxes on compensation for top executives.

Those are just the closely associated convictions (to date); it would take quite a lot more bandwidth to list those persons who armed themselves in various assorted ways and physically assaulted and maimed over one hundred police officers on 1/6 at the incitement of Donald Trump and multiple co-conspirators.

So, to recap:

* Convicted Felon Donald Trump is currently awaiting sentencing for being charged and convicted on 34 felony counts of falsification of business records in the first degree due to coverup of other crimes including election fraud beginning in 2015 (a pattern of election fraud that would continue into the 2020 election... you're welcome DA Fani Willis).

* I like presidents who weren't convicted.

]]> By: dsws http://www.chrisweigant.com/2024/06/12/first-debate-will-be-all-about-style-over-substance/#comment-209734 dsws Thu, 13 Jun 2024 04:50:46 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=25153#comment-209734 If Hunter Biden somehow gets nominated as the Democratic candidate for some contested office on my ballot, well first of all, Bertrand Russell and I will both be the Pope. Hunter Biden isn't going to run for anything, he wouldn't be nominated if he did, it wouldn't be in my state, and no elections on a typical general-election ballot are contested in a non-swing state. But if he somehow did, I would probably vote for him. The Republican Party is that bad. If Hunter Biden somehow gets nominated as the Democratic candidate for some contested office on my ballot, well first of all, Bertrand Russell and I will both be the Pope. Hunter Biden isn't going to run for anything, he wouldn't be nominated if he did, it wouldn't be in my state, and no elections on a typical general-election ballot are contested in a non-swing state. But if he somehow did, I would probably vote for him. The Republican Party is that bad.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2024/06/12/first-debate-will-be-all-about-style-over-substance/#comment-209732 Elizabeth Miller Thu, 13 Jun 2024 02:05:58 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=25153#comment-209732 Well, they're both very good at that! Well, they're both very good at that!

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2024/06/12/first-debate-will-be-all-about-style-over-substance/#comment-209731 nypoet22 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 01:50:23 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=25153#comment-209731 It will also be about who wins the spin after the debate. It will also be about who wins the spin after the debate.

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