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		<title>By: Kick</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2023/12/07/joe-biden-should-evolve-on-legalizing-weed/#comment-205405</link>
		<dc:creator>Kick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2023 05:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;i&gt;It&#039;s not clear to me that false electors should be subject to any penalties at all. &lt;/i&gt;

Electors are mandated by statute/law in each state to choose according to the vote of the people of the state. When a candidate wins the popular vote in a state, that candidate&#039;s designated slate of electors gets to participate in the Electoral College process while the losing candidates slate of electors do not. Following the 2020 election and the multiple recounts and extensive post-election litigation in the requisite multiple states, the vote counts were confirmed repeatedly, and any candidate&#039;s electors obviously knew the outcome of the certified results. Any false certification by any elector to the contrary of the popular vote as certified by their requisite state would more likely than not violate multiple state and federal laws and constitute crime(s), obviously depending on the wording of the fake document delivered to NARA/Congress (in violation of federal law). 

&lt;i&gt;A delusional person, who acts in a way that would have been lawful if their delusional beliefs had been true, lacks mens rea.&lt;/i&gt;

Someone thinks they are driving on a one-way street; however, they are &quot;delusional&quot; and hit an oncoming car in (what they believe is lawfully) &quot;their lane.&quot; Believe me when I tell you they could be charged with a myriad of crimes ranging from minor traffic violations all the way up to manslaughter (if their actions caused the death of another person). Mens rea (state of mind) can be proven via multiple &quot;avenues&quot; of action/inaction: 

* Acting purposely/intentionally
* Acting knowingly 
* Acting recklessly
* Acting negligently. 

&lt;i&gt;If they commit a tort pursuant to their delusion, they may be liable for the resulting damages. &lt;/i&gt; 

As well as criminally culpable under mens rea as listed above. 

&lt;i&gt;But they should not be subject to any penalty. &lt;/i&gt;

One does &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; escape criminal culpability and/or civil liability for their actions caused intentionally, knowingly, recklessly and/or negligently, etc. simply because their action/inaction failed to produce physical and/or monetary damages.

&lt;i&gt;In this case, there are no damages. &lt;/i&gt;

You do realize the case of fake electors was part of a larger conspiracy that included knowingly/recklessly directing a mob to descend on Congress in order to help produce an intended outcome? Convince me there were no damages. Good luck. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dsws<br />
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<p><i>It's not clear to me that false electors should be subject to any penalties at all. </i></p>
<p>Electors are mandated by statute/law in each state to choose according to the vote of the people of the state. When a candidate wins the popular vote in a state, that candidate's designated slate of electors gets to participate in the Electoral College process while the losing candidates slate of electors do not. Following the 2020 election and the multiple recounts and extensive post-election litigation in the requisite multiple states, the vote counts were confirmed repeatedly, and any candidate's electors obviously knew the outcome of the certified results. Any false certification by any elector to the contrary of the popular vote as certified by their requisite state would more likely than not violate multiple state and federal laws and constitute crime(s), obviously depending on the wording of the fake document delivered to NARA/Congress (in violation of federal law). </p>
<p><i>A delusional person, who acts in a way that would have been lawful if their delusional beliefs had been true, lacks mens rea.</i></p>
<p>Someone thinks they are driving on a one-way street; however, they are "delusional" and hit an oncoming car in (what they believe is lawfully) "their lane." Believe me when I tell you they could be charged with a myriad of crimes ranging from minor traffic violations all the way up to manslaughter (if their actions caused the death of another person). Mens rea (state of mind) can be proven via multiple "avenues" of action/inaction: </p>
<p>* Acting purposely/intentionally<br />
* Acting knowingly<br />
* Acting recklessly<br />
* Acting negligently. </p>
<p><i>If they commit a tort pursuant to their delusion, they may be liable for the resulting damages. </i> </p>
<p>As well as criminally culpable under mens rea as listed above. </p>
<p><i>But they should not be subject to any penalty. </i></p>
<p>One does <b>not</b> escape criminal culpability and/or civil liability for their actions caused intentionally, knowingly, recklessly and/or negligently, etc. simply because their action/inaction failed to produce physical and/or monetary damages.</p>
<p><i>In this case, there are no damages. </i></p>
<p>You do realize the case of fake electors was part of a larger conspiracy that included knowingly/recklessly directing a mob to descend on Congress in order to help produce an intended outcome? Convince me there were no damages. Good luck. :)</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWeigant.com &#187; Friday Talking Points -- Not The Odds But The Stakes</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2023 01:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dsws</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2023 22:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capitalism stinks.  A member of our mostly-hereditary wealth-based aristocracy can command the president of a university to say what he wants her to say, and she has no meaningful recourse.  

As I understand it, the president of Harvard correctly stated that the university&#039;s policy on bullying and harassment only addresses bullying and harassment of students, not advocacy of general political positions, no matter how unambiguously evil those positions are.  A donor commanded her to recant.  I think she &quot;clarified&quot; in a way that doesn&#039;t actually comply with the command, but does implicitly acknowledge the authority of the wealthy to issue such commands. 

We should fund education by giving the necessary money to educational institutions, not by giving all the money to the parasite class and hoping that they give enough of it to universities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capitalism stinks.  A member of our mostly-hereditary wealth-based aristocracy can command the president of a university to say what he wants her to say, and she has no meaningful recourse.  </p>
<p>As I understand it, the president of Harvard correctly stated that the university's policy on bullying and harassment only addresses bullying and harassment of students, not advocacy of general political positions, no matter how unambiguously evil those positions are.  A donor commanded her to recant.  I think she "clarified" in a way that doesn't actually comply with the command, but does implicitly acknowledge the authority of the wealthy to issue such commands. </p>
<p>We should fund education by giving the necessary money to educational institutions, not by giving all the money to the parasite class and hoping that they give enough of it to universities.</p>
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		<title>By: dsws</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2023 19:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not clear to me that false electors should be subject to any penalties at all.  The Constitution unambiguously gives Congress the final say on presidential elections.  If a nominee for elector believes that their state election authority has certified appointment of electors contrary to the manner in which the legislature of their state has directed, Congress is the correct final stop for any such appeal.  

A delusional person, who acts in a way that would have been lawful if their delusional beliefs had been true, lacks &lt;i&gt;mens rea&lt;/i&gt;.  If they commit a tort pursuant to their delusion, they may be liable for the resulting damages.  But they should not be subject to any penalty.  In this case, there are no damages.  All they do is oblige Congress to deposit their documents in the circular file.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's not clear to me that false electors should be subject to any penalties at all.  The Constitution unambiguously gives Congress the final say on presidential elections.  If a nominee for elector believes that their state election authority has certified appointment of electors contrary to the manner in which the legislature of their state has directed, Congress is the correct final stop for any such appeal.  </p>
<p>A delusional person, who acts in a way that would have been lawful if their delusional beliefs had been true, lacks <i>mens rea</i>.  If they commit a tort pursuant to their delusion, they may be liable for the resulting damages.  But they should not be subject to any penalty.  In this case, there are no damages.  All they do is oblige Congress to deposit their documents in the circular file.</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2023/12/07/joe-biden-should-evolve-on-legalizing-weed/#comment-205367</link>
		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2023 18:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I’m not at all dismayed at “White House inaction.” No one will remember this in 2024.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I’m not at all dismayed at “White House inaction.” No one will remember this in 2024.</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2023/12/07/joe-biden-should-evolve-on-legalizing-weed/#comment-205366</link>
		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2023 18:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given America’s short attention span and even shorter, er, long term memory, I believe that &lt;i&gt;Joe Biden is practicing effective politics by keeping his powder dry until next year. &lt;/i&gt; 





I’d like to see Joe drop the bomb in early Summer and have Democrats in both Houses of Congress aggressively push for legislation. Put all the Repugs on the record as voting contrary to their Constituent’s wishes regarding the War on Drugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given America’s short attention span and even shorter, er, long term memory, I believe that <i>Joe Biden is practicing effective politics by keeping his powder dry until next year. </i> </p>
<p>I’d like to see Joe drop the bomb in early Summer and have Democrats in both Houses of Congress aggressively push for legislation. Put all the Repugs on the record as voting contrary to their Constituent’s wishes regarding the War on Drugs.</p>
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		<title>By: C. R. Stucki</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. R. Stucki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2023 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He ought to also &quot;evolve&quot; on the concept of passing the intergenerational baton when old fogies appear to be losing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He ought to also "evolve" on the concept of passing the intergenerational baton when old fogies appear to be losing!</p>
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