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		<title>By: Kick</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2023/07/27/politicians-need-a-mandatory-retirement-age/#comment-203689</link>
		<dc:creator>Kick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2023 01:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John M from Ct.
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&lt;i&gt;I am struck by the arguments here that a reasonable old-age limitation &#039;restricts the voters&#039; freedom&#039; but the constitutional minimum limits that Chris cites in his essay somehow do not &#039;restrict the voters&#039; freedom&#039;... &lt;/i&gt;

The definition of &quot;limitation&quot; &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; &quot;restriction&quot; so there&#039;s really no need to argue that... probably why no commenter actually did. Limiting the age on the lower end of the spectrum actually makes sense since there isn&#039;t a single natural-born toddler (or teenager for that matter) who is actually fit to serve in any position of the federal government with the exception of the armed forces (and even that is debatable). As for any limitation/restriction on the upper end of the age spectrum, there&#039;s honestly no &quot;one size fits all&quot; so why the need to limit it further? Rhetorical question.

&lt;i&gt;We might also consider the requirement that presidents be native-born Americans, restricting the voters&#039; freedom to elect a brilliant governor or senator to the high office because he or she was brought here at a the age of two. &lt;/i&gt;

Your term &quot;native-born American&quot; not to be confused with the constitutional restriction &quot;natural-born citizen,&quot; which has a wholly different meaning. For instance, Rafael &quot;Ted&quot; Cruz was born in Canada and came to America as a toddler (and arguably still is one), and even he is qualified to run for president. Just my opinion, but we actually should have the leader of America be at least born in America versus allowing Canadian-born toddlers like Cruz to run for president. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John M from Ct.<br />
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<p><i>I am struck by the arguments here that a reasonable old-age limitation 'restricts the voters' freedom' but the constitutional minimum limits that Chris cites in his essay somehow do not 'restrict the voters' freedom'... </i></p>
<p>The definition of "limitation" <b>is</b> "restriction" so there's really no need to argue that... probably why no commenter actually did. Limiting the age on the lower end of the spectrum actually makes sense since there isn't a single natural-born toddler (or teenager for that matter) who is actually fit to serve in any position of the federal government with the exception of the armed forces (and even that is debatable). As for any limitation/restriction on the upper end of the age spectrum, there's honestly no "one size fits all" so why the need to limit it further? Rhetorical question.</p>
<p><i>We might also consider the requirement that presidents be native-born Americans, restricting the voters' freedom to elect a brilliant governor or senator to the high office because he or she was brought here at a the age of two. </i></p>
<p>Your term "native-born American" not to be confused with the constitutional restriction "natural-born citizen," which has a wholly different meaning. For instance, Rafael "Ted" Cruz was born in Canada and came to America as a toddler (and arguably still is one), and even he is qualified to run for president. Just my opinion, but we actually should have the leader of America be at least born in America versus allowing Canadian-born toddlers like Cruz to run for president. :)</p>
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		<title>By: John M from Ct.</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2023/07/27/politicians-need-a-mandatory-retirement-age/#comment-203687</link>
		<dc:creator>John M from Ct.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2023 00:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am struck by the arguments here that a reasonable old-age limitation &#039;restricts the voters&#039; freedom&#039; but the constitutional minimum limits that Chris cites in his essay somehow do not &#039;restrict the voters&#039; freedom&#039;, despite preventing the voters from electing a charismatic, talented, and likely 28-year-old to the Senate; or a well-regarded 33-year-old to the presidency. We might also consider the requirement that presidents be native-born Americans, restricting the voters&#039; freedom to elect a brilliant governor or senator to the high office because he or she was brought here at a the age of two.

Lots of things &#039;restrict the voters&#039; freedom&#039;, like weak absentee ballot provisions, unlimited campaign funding by super-PACs, and censorship of social media or the press by self-defined rules of the media owners. An age limit at 67 or 75, forcibly retiring office holders before their 75th or 80th birthdays, could be more like a gift to the voters than a restriction on their imagined freedoms. It won&#039;t happen, but not because the principle of the thing subverts the democratic ideal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am struck by the arguments here that a reasonable old-age limitation 'restricts the voters' freedom' but the constitutional minimum limits that Chris cites in his essay somehow do not 'restrict the voters' freedom', despite preventing the voters from electing a charismatic, talented, and likely 28-year-old to the Senate; or a well-regarded 33-year-old to the presidency. We might also consider the requirement that presidents be native-born Americans, restricting the voters' freedom to elect a brilliant governor or senator to the high office because he or she was brought here at a the age of two.</p>
<p>Lots of things 'restrict the voters' freedom', like weak absentee ballot provisions, unlimited campaign funding by super-PACs, and censorship of social media or the press by self-defined rules of the media owners. An age limit at 67 or 75, forcibly retiring office holders before their 75th or 80th birthdays, could be more like a gift to the voters than a restriction on their imagined freedoms. It won't happen, but not because the principle of the thing subverts the democratic ideal.</p>
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		<title>By: Kick</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2023/07/27/politicians-need-a-mandatory-retirement-age/#comment-203686</link>
		<dc:creator>Kick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 23:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mandatory retirement for age!? Bad for democracy. One person&#039;s 60 is another person&#039;s 90. Let &quot;We the People&quot; (or Death) decide when a politician should be retired.

As a &quot;for instance,&quot; Donald Trump should definitely:

(1) be retired from political life by We the People and
(2) then convicted by some of the People, 

although not necessarily in that order and &quot;convicted&quot; not necessarily limited to once and more likely than not, not once but multiple times and then sentenced by some of the People to (some kind of) captivity where his freedom is taken but he&#039;ll be gifted with a wonderful free job training program where the short-fingered vulgarian could learn how to use his grubby little hands for something besides stealing from We the People. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mandatory retirement for age!? Bad for democracy. One person's 60 is another person's 90. Let "We the People" (or Death) decide when a politician should be retired.</p>
<p>As a "for instance," Donald Trump should definitely:</p>
<p>(1) be retired from political life by We the People and<br />
(2) then convicted by some of the People, </p>
<p>although not necessarily in that order and "convicted" not necessarily limited to once and more likely than not, not once but multiple times and then sentenced by some of the People to (some kind of) captivity where his freedom is taken but he'll be gifted with a wonderful free job training program where the short-fingered vulgarian could learn how to use his grubby little hands for something besides stealing from We the People. :)</p>
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		<title>By: nypoet22</title>
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		<dc:creator>nypoet22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 20:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@stucki,

your proposal would undoubtedly make the COUNTING of votes much easier.</description>
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<p>your proposal would undoubtedly make the COUNTING of votes much easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2023/07/27/politicians-need-a-mandatory-retirement-age/#comment-203683</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: C. R. Stucki</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2023/07/27/politicians-need-a-mandatory-retirement-age/#comment-203682</link>
		<dc:creator>C. R. Stucki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about 70 for max age to get elected, and 87 for MINIMUM age to vote!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about 70 for max age to get elected, and 87 for MINIMUM age to vote!!!</p>
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		<title>By: nypoet22</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2023/07/27/politicians-need-a-mandatory-retirement-age/#comment-203681</link>
		<dc:creator>nypoet22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I don&#039;t agree with this one either. Plus, science is always pushing the limits of what older people can be capable of at more advanced ages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I don't agree with this one either. Plus, science is always pushing the limits of what older people can be capable of at more advanced ages.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2023/07/27/politicians-need-a-mandatory-retirement-age/#comment-203680</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 02:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if I do disagree with the guy on more than I thought was possible. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if I do disagree with the guy on more than I thought was possible. :(</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 02:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... or any Democratic one, too! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>... or any Democratic one, too! :)</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2023/07/27/politicians-need-a-mandatory-retirement-age/#comment-203678</link>
		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 02:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides the impossibility that Congress would pass such an Amendment I tend to agree that this notion is &lt;i&gt;ageism&lt;/i&gt; and a limitation on voter’s freedom to choose. 



Liberal that I am I’d vote for a 90-year old Joe Biden over any Republican candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides the impossibility that Congress would pass such an Amendment I tend to agree that this notion is <i>ageism</i> and a limitation on voter’s freedom to choose. </p>
<p>Liberal that I am I’d vote for a 90-year old Joe Biden over any Republican candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 00:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the final analysis of such a mandatory retirement age, what about the right of American voters to decide who they want to represent them. Isn&#039;t this just another way of taking peoples&#039; freedom away?

I just see this more as a solution looking for a problem, notwithstanding all of the current examples provided here that might tend to prove otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the final analysis of such a mandatory retirement age, what about the right of American voters to decide who they want to represent them. Isn't this just another way of taking peoples' freedom away?</p>
<p>I just see this more as a solution looking for a problem, notwithstanding all of the current examples provided here that might tend to prove otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2023/07/27/politicians-need-a-mandatory-retirement-age/#comment-203676</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 00:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Growing up as a child in the 1940s would no longer qualify as relevant experience, to put it another way.&lt;/i&gt;

As if growing up in the right decades is the only relevant experience necessary to govern a modern America. I know you don&#039;t believe that, Chris, but, geez Louise, man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Growing up as a child in the 1940s would no longer qualify as relevant experience, to put it another way.</i></p>
<p>As if growing up in the right decades is the only relevant experience necessary to govern a modern America. I know you don't believe that, Chris, but, geez Louise, man!</p>
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		<title>By: John M from Ct.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M from Ct.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 00:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy makes a good point on the details of when the age limit should be. 75 gets rid of presidents and Senators at just about 80 years of age, and that seems to be about where we are now: everyone complaining about Biden and Trump being too old at 82 or 79 to run for another term.

His point about emphathy for and understanding of ones constituents&#039; lives is also good. Age is one factor but another and far more significant is the isolation of privilege and wealth, combined with a lack of emotional breadth and understanding. If an amendment about age limits is hard to imagine getting passed, try adding a wealth limit, or including a social service requirement that&#039;s a little more on the ground than just holding a public office.

Finally, if we are going to have all these creative amendments, there&#039;s no reason not to redefine the &quot;lifetime&quot; tenure of the federal judiciary. An amendment is an amendment, and the Justices can certainly be asked to step down at the same age as the presidents and the congressmen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy makes a good point on the details of when the age limit should be. 75 gets rid of presidents and Senators at just about 80 years of age, and that seems to be about where we are now: everyone complaining about Biden and Trump being too old at 82 or 79 to run for another term.</p>
<p>His point about emphathy for and understanding of ones constituents' lives is also good. Age is one factor but another and far more significant is the isolation of privilege and wealth, combined with a lack of emotional breadth and understanding. If an amendment about age limits is hard to imagine getting passed, try adding a wealth limit, or including a social service requirement that's a little more on the ground than just holding a public office.</p>
<p>Finally, if we are going to have all these creative amendments, there's no reason not to redefine the "lifetime" tenure of the federal judiciary. An amendment is an amendment, and the Justices can certainly be asked to step down at the same age as the presidents and the congressmen.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 00:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;To put this in some sort of perspective, anyone who is 80 or older was born either during or before World War II. And virtually everyone of that age is completely and utterly out of touch with what growing up in modern America is even all about. &lt;/i&gt;

Wow. Just, wow! Presumptuous, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>To put this in some sort of perspective, anyone who is 80 or older was born either during or before World War II. And virtually everyone of that age is completely and utterly out of touch with what growing up in modern America is even all about. </i></p>
<p>Wow. Just, wow! Presumptuous, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 00:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, now I&#039;ll read the piece. Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, now I'll read the piece. Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2023 00:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad idea.</description>
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		<title>By: andygaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>andygaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2023 23:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would support a mandatory retirement age, but a different age and for a different reason. I heard of a study of car drivers that found that most drivers drive pretty normally up to age 75, but after that some still drive all right while others start to deteriorate. That suggests to me that 75 is a reasonable age to set as a maximum.
Presidents and Congressmen should not be out of touch, but the greatest problem there is not that they are of a different generation, but that many of them are too privileged and isolated to have contact with the experiences and problems of anyone else. Older people with empathy can learn to understand younger people&#039;s problems. Young people without it never will.
The main question is simply competence and the ability to stand up to the rigors of the job.
I don&#039;t think such a measure would survive voting in Congress if the maximum age were set at 75, but at least not as many Congresspeople would be voting against themselves as they would be if the maximum age were set at 67.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would support a mandatory retirement age, but a different age and for a different reason. I heard of a study of car drivers that found that most drivers drive pretty normally up to age 75, but after that some still drive all right while others start to deteriorate. That suggests to me that 75 is a reasonable age to set as a maximum.<br />
Presidents and Congressmen should not be out of touch, but the greatest problem there is not that they are of a different generation, but that many of them are too privileged and isolated to have contact with the experiences and problems of anyone else. Older people with empathy can learn to understand younger people's problems. Young people without it never will.<br />
The main question is simply competence and the ability to stand up to the rigors of the job.<br />
I don't think such a measure would survive voting in Congress if the maximum age were set at 75, but at least not as many Congresspeople would be voting against themselves as they would be if the maximum age were set at 67.</p>
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