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		<title>By: C. R. Stucki</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2023/07/07/friday-talking-points-some-cautious-optimism/#comment-203506</link>
		<dc:creator>C. R. Stucki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2023 18:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poet

I&#039;m overjoyed that in the internet age somebody else here would have any idea whatsoever what the term &quot;Merriam-Webster&quot; even refers to!</description>
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<p>I'm overjoyed that in the internet age somebody else here would have any idea whatsoever what the term "Merriam-Webster" even refers to!</p>
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		<title>By: nypoet22</title>
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		<dc:creator>nypoet22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2023 14:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@stucki,

i&#039;d love a new car too, but you&#039;re intentionally conflating the economic definition of &quot;want&quot; from an entirely different lay definition:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Want (2 of 2 - noun):
1
a: DEFICIENCY, LACK
&lt;i&gt;suffers from a want of good sense&lt;/i&gt;
b: grave and extreme poverty that deprives one of the necessities of life
~merriam-webster&lt;/blockquote&gt;

being probably the only one of us alive in FDR&#039;s era, you know full well that 1b is the definition he meant. 

JL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@stucki,</p>
<p>i'd love a new car too, but you're intentionally conflating the economic definition of "want" from an entirely different lay definition:</p>
<blockquote><p>Want (2 of 2 - noun):<br />
1<br />
a: DEFICIENCY, LACK<br />
<i>suffers from a want of good sense</i><br />
b: grave and extreme poverty that deprives one of the necessities of life<br />
~merriam-webster</p></blockquote>
<p>being probably the only one of us alive in FDR's era, you know full well that 1b is the definition he meant. </p>
<p>JL</p>
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		<title>By: John M from Ct.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M from Ct.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2023 14:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CRS,
You&#039;re going to have to change your voting patterns. The &#039;free pickups for all&#039; party, which is slightly to the left of Bernie and AOC, hasn&#039;t gotten very far at the polls, but maybe you can make the difference for them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CRS,<br />
You're going to have to change your voting patterns. The 'free pickups for all' party, which is slightly to the left of Bernie and AOC, hasn't gotten very far at the polls, but maybe you can make the difference for them!</p>
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		<title>By: C. R. Stucki</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. R. Stucki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2023 13:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK guys, all that sounds great!  BTW, I&#039;m currently afflicted with a serious &quot;want&quot; for a brand new $60K pickup truck to replace my 30 yr old one.  Please relieve me of this &quot;want&#039; problem ASAP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK guys, all that sounds great!  BTW, I'm currently afflicted with a serious "want" for a brand new $60K pickup truck to replace my 30 yr old one.  Please relieve me of this "want' problem ASAP!</p>
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		<title>By: John M from Ct.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M from Ct.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2023 00:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CRS on [7]
Who will be burdened with ensuring FDR&#039;s general freedoms &#039;from&#039; something, whether want or fear? It&#039;s called &#039;taxes&#039; and &#039;government&#039;, as nypoet22 also explains pretty clearly. 

Now I know that, as you suggest, one might not agree that police are a necessary part of any government, or courts of law and a military establishment. One also might not agree that welfare programs, retirement insurance, public housing, and nationalized medicine are a necessary part of government. One might even not agree that nationalized industry and capital markets are a necessary part of government. 
But where the line is to be drawn is hardly obvious. FDR drew it at one point, his Republican opponents at another, the democratic socialists of Europe at another, and totalitarian systems like Stalinism and fascism at another.

So, &quot;who gets to decide?&quot; you ask. It seems to me the people get to decide via a legal, fair, and open democratic process. Could that process get corrupted or hijacked by minority or privileged special interests? Again to me, it seems like it could. Politics is politics, and so there is no one answer to the questions you raise concerning FDR&#039;s famous &quot;Four Freedoms&quot;, and the more general one about what, exactly, &quot;freedom&quot; means in our political culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CRS on [7]<br />
Who will be burdened with ensuring FDR's general freedoms 'from' something, whether want or fear? It's called 'taxes' and 'government', as nypoet22 also explains pretty clearly. </p>
<p>Now I know that, as you suggest, one might not agree that police are a necessary part of any government, or courts of law and a military establishment. One also might not agree that welfare programs, retirement insurance, public housing, and nationalized medicine are a necessary part of government. One might even not agree that nationalized industry and capital markets are a necessary part of government.<br />
But where the line is to be drawn is hardly obvious. FDR drew it at one point, his Republican opponents at another, the democratic socialists of Europe at another, and totalitarian systems like Stalinism and fascism at another.</p>
<p>So, "who gets to decide?" you ask. It seems to me the people get to decide via a legal, fair, and open democratic process. Could that process get corrupted or hijacked by minority or privileged special interests? Again to me, it seems like it could. Politics is politics, and so there is no one answer to the questions you raise concerning FDR's famous "Four Freedoms", and the more general one about what, exactly, "freedom" means in our political culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2023 23:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua,

I haven&#039;t completely lost faith in the &#039;promise of America&#039; and many of your posts here are one important reason why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua,</p>
<p>I haven't completely lost faith in the 'promise of America' and many of your posts here are one important reason why.</p>
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		<title>By: nypoet22</title>
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		<dc:creator>nypoet22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2023 22:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pardon, the preamble is not technically part of article I, i was simultaneously wrangling a toddler and attempting to talk to a spouse as i was writing.

anyhow, WE THE PEOPLE (that&#039;s who) established the constitution to form a more perfect union (better government), establish justice (i.e. courts), ensure domestic tranquility (cops, social services), provide for the common defense (armed forces), promote the general welfare (that&#039;s why they call it that), and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity (protect us from losing the freedoms we&#039;ve gained, regardless whether it&#039;s OF something or FROM something).

i know it&#039;s a logical fallacy to appeal to authority, but that&#039;s literally what the constitution said our country is for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pardon, the preamble is not technically part of article I, i was simultaneously wrangling a toddler and attempting to talk to a spouse as i was writing.</p>
<p>anyhow, WE THE PEOPLE (that's who) established the constitution to form a more perfect union (better government), establish justice (i.e. courts), ensure domestic tranquility (cops, social services), provide for the common defense (armed forces), promote the general welfare (that's why they call it that), and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity (protect us from losing the freedoms we've gained, regardless whether it's OF something or FROM something).</p>
<p>i know it's a logical fallacy to appeal to authority, but that's literally what the constitution said our country is for.</p>
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		<title>By: nypoet22</title>
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		<dc:creator>nypoet22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2023 21:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the framers of the constitution had an answer to that question, and they put it in article I of the constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the framers of the constitution had an answer to that question, and they put it in article I of the constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: C. R. Stucki</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. R. Stucki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2023 15:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oxidized Italian  [3]

Re. FDR&#039;s &quot;Freedoms&quot;

I understand freedoms of &#039;action&#039; (speech, practice of religion, etc.), but the concept of freedoms &#039;FROM&#039; externalities (want, fear, and similar unpleasantries) seems to imply that somebody else be burdened with the responsibility for your happiness, or at least for the prevention of any unhappiness for you.

What could possibly justify the imposition of those burdens on others, and who gets to decide who those &#039;others&#039; are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oxidized Italian  [3]</p>
<p>Re. FDR's "Freedoms"</p>
<p>I understand freedoms of 'action' (speech, practice of religion, etc.), but the concept of freedoms 'FROM' externalities (want, fear, and similar unpleasantries) seems to imply that somebody else be burdened with the responsibility for your happiness, or at least for the prevention of any unhappiness for you.</p>
<p>What could possibly justify the imposition of those burdens on others, and who gets to decide who those 'others' are?</p>
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		<title>By: italyrusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>italyrusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2023 07:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second honorable mention for MIDOW:
&#039;Adults in Arizona can now obtain contraceptive medications over the counter at a pharmacy without a doctor’s prescription under a governor’s order announced Thursday. 
...
“We are building an Arizona for everyone, which means ensuring people across the state have what they need to live a free and healthy life,” the Democratic governor [Gov. Katie Hobbs] said in a statement. &#039;
https://apnews.com/article/arizona-birth-control-contraception-pharmacies-75873257145f1f6eaa8e04f3e2ee5e91</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second honorable mention for MIDOW:<br />
'Adults in Arizona can now obtain contraceptive medications over the counter at a pharmacy without a doctor’s prescription under a governor’s order announced Thursday.<br />
...<br />
“We are building an Arizona for everyone, which means ensuring people across the state have what they need to live a free and healthy life,” the Democratic governor [Gov. Katie Hobbs] said in a statement. '<br />
<a href="https://apnews.com/article/arizona-birth-control-contraception-pharmacies-75873257145f1f6eaa8e04f3e2ee5e91" rel="nofollow">https://apnews.com/article/arizona-birth-control-contraception-pharmacies-75873257145f1f6eaa8e04f3e2ee5e91</a></p>
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		<title>By: italyrusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>italyrusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2023 07:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First honorable mention for MIDOW:
&#039;During the waning days of Louisiana’s legislative session, lawmakers passed a series of controversial bills: a ban on gender-affirming medical care for transgender minors that includes puberty-blockers, hormone treatment and surgery; a “Don’t Say Gay” bill that broadly bars teachers from discussing gender identity and sexual orientation in public school classrooms; and a measure requiring public school teachers to use the pronouns and names that align with what students were assigned at birth. Edwards vetoed all three bills.

Edwards — who is in his final six months of office, unable to seek reelection this year due to consecutive term limits — has repeatedly described the bills as wrong, divisive and targeting a vulnerable group of people.&#039;
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lousiana-lgbtq-bills-veto-gender-affirming-care_n_64a07147e4b028e64731593d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First honorable mention for MIDOW:<br />
'During the waning days of Louisiana’s legislative session, lawmakers passed a series of controversial bills: a ban on gender-affirming medical care for transgender minors that includes puberty-blockers, hormone treatment and surgery; a “Don’t Say Gay” bill that broadly bars teachers from discussing gender identity and sexual orientation in public school classrooms; and a measure requiring public school teachers to use the pronouns and names that align with what students were assigned at birth. Edwards vetoed all three bills.</p>
<p>Edwards — who is in his final six months of office, unable to seek reelection this year due to consecutive term limits — has repeatedly described the bills as wrong, divisive and targeting a vulnerable group of people.'<br />
<a href="https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lousiana-lgbtq-bills-veto-gender-affirming-care_n_64a07147e4b028e64731593d" rel="nofollow">https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lousiana-lgbtq-bills-veto-gender-affirming-care_n_64a07147e4b028e64731593d</a></p>
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		<title>By: italyrusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>italyrusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2023 06:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with this week&#039;s MIDOW, both in substance and as a messaging coup.

Two other Democratic governors deserve at least an honorable mention for MIDOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this week's MIDOW, both in substance and as a messaging coup.</p>
<p>Two other Democratic governors deserve at least an honorable mention for MIDOW.</p>
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		<title>By: italyrusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>italyrusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2023 06:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice set of talking points around a common theme, Chris!

It&#039;s a reminder of the Four Freedoms advocated by one of our greatest Presidents:
&#039; In an address .. [FDR] proposed four fundamental freedoms that people &quot;everywhere in the world&quot; ought to enjoy:

    Freedom of speech
    Freedom of worship
    Freedom from want
    Freedom from fear&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice set of talking points around a common theme, Chris!</p>
<p>It's a reminder of the Four Freedoms advocated by one of our greatest Presidents:<br />
' In an address .. [FDR] proposed four fundamental freedoms that people "everywhere in the world" ought to enjoy:</p>
<p>    Freedom of speech<br />
    Freedom of worship<br />
    Freedom from want<br />
    Freedom from fear'</p>
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		<title>By: John M from Ct.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M from Ct.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2023 02:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About Rep. Green&#039;s expulsion from the so-called Freedom Caucus, you wrote that &#039;You read that right: M.T.G. is so batcrap-crazy that even the GOP&#039;s &quot;extreme crazy caucus&quot; couldn&#039;t take it anymore.&#039; 

Ah, that&#039;s an odd take. Every other piece of political analysis I&#039;ve read on this latest House GOP clownery says that M.T.G. was expelled because she had become too closely aligned with Speaker McCarthy and the dreaded RINO mainstream House membership. In other words, the &quot;extreme crazy&quot; Freedom Caucus believes she is insufficiently batcrap-crazy to be part of their group anymore.

Is there any way to find out which is the correct interpretation of this action of &quot;a bunch of useless loonies&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Rep. Green's expulsion from the so-called Freedom Caucus, you wrote that 'You read that right: M.T.G. is so batcrap-crazy that even the GOP's "extreme crazy caucus" couldn't take it anymore.' </p>
<p>Ah, that's an odd take. Every other piece of political analysis I've read on this latest House GOP clownery says that M.T.G. was expelled because she had become too closely aligned with Speaker McCarthy and the dreaded RINO mainstream House membership. In other words, the "extreme crazy" Freedom Caucus believes she is insufficiently batcrap-crazy to be part of their group anymore.</p>
<p>Is there any way to find out which is the correct interpretation of this action of "a bunch of useless loonies"?</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2023 00:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In foreign policy news, today it was announced that Biden has approved sending cluster munitions to the Ukrainians, to use against the Russian invaders. The Russians have been using these weapons against the Ukrainians, so this might level the battlefield a bit.&lt;/i&gt;

Both Ukraine and Russia have been using cluster bombs in this war. Now, the use of these weapons by both sides is set to increase.

Why is the US sending them? Because Ukraine and its many suppliers, including the many US depots, are all running very low on conventional weapons. What does THAT mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In foreign policy news, today it was announced that Biden has approved sending cluster munitions to the Ukrainians, to use against the Russian invaders. The Russians have been using these weapons against the Ukrainians, so this might level the battlefield a bit.</i></p>
<p>Both Ukraine and Russia have been using cluster bombs in this war. Now, the use of these weapons by both sides is set to increase.</p>
<p>Why is the US sending them? Because Ukraine and its many suppliers, including the many US depots, are all running very low on conventional weapons. What does THAT mean?</p>
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