Re "what the world's glaciers have been doing for the last quarter century."

When I visited Glacier N.P. in the 50's, all the Parkservice info signs at the tourist overlook spots explained that the park glaciers had been receding every year since the first European explorers ever saw them, and that would have been a hundred years before humans began to burn huge amounts of fossil fuels.

OK, so if all you guys are right about the versatility of global warming (can cause every sort of weather phenomena), please tell me what weather phenomena you would anticipate if it turned out that what is actually going on is "Global Cooling", which was what was predicted all thru the 60's and the 70's???

It wasn't the 60s, Stucki, it was the mid 70s, and right wingnuts like Limbaugh, Hannity, George Will, et alia, have been trotting out a ridiculous article from Newsweek 1975 as some kind of "proof positive" that disproves climate change/global warming.

Newsweek's 'Global Cooling' Article From April 28, 1975

George Will even wrote a stupid incorrect opinion referring to it as a "cover story" when it was nothing more than a 9-paragraph article on page 64 of the April 28, 1975 issue.

If you're interested in learning about it, the best source of knowledge would be from another article written in 2014 almost four decades later by the author of the original article from Newsweek and definitely NOT from the right wingnuts and climate deniers using that 9-paragraph article to advance their political propaganda.

My 1975 'Cooling World' Story Doesn't Make Today's Climate Scientists Wrong

It's time for deniers of human-caused global warming to stop using an old magazine story against climate scientists.

Wednesday, May 21, 2014

Peter Gwynne, Contributor

(Inside Science) -- "The central fact is that, after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the Earth seems to be cooling down. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century." – Newsweek: April 28, 1975

That's an excerpt from a story I wrote about climate science that appeared almost 40 years ago. Titled "The Cooling World," it was remarkably popular; in fact it might be the only decades-old magazine story about science ever carried onto the set of a late-night TV talk show. Now, as the author of that story, after decades of scientific advances, let me say this: while the hypotheses described in that original story seemed right at the time, climate scientists now know that they were seriously incomplete. Our climate is warming -- not cooling, as the original story suggested.

Nevertheless, certain websites and individuals that dispute, disparage and deny the science that shows that humans are causing the Earth to warm continue to quote my article. Their message: how can we believe climatologists who tell us that the Earth's atmosphere is warming when their colleagues asserted that it's actually cooling?

Well, yes, we should trust them, despite the views of detractors such as comedian Dennis Miller, who brought my story to The Tonight Show in 2006. Several atmospheric scientists did indeed believe in global cooling, as I reported in the April 28, 1975 issue of Newsweek. But that was then.

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My 1975 'Cooling World' Story Doesn't Make Today's Climate Scientists Wrong

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Live and learn, I always say. I also say the right wingnuts have an agenda that isn't indicative of imparting actual facts to their audience, whom they obviously believe are incredibly ignorant.

So, to recap: Earth 2 is a dystopian hellscape where climate change/global warming is presented as a hoax and Donald Trump is presented as the only man who can save us. *laughs*

I recommend living on Earth. :)

Exactly who was predicting global cooling in the 60's and 70's? Which scientific papers? And was that the predominate theory among scientists? (hint it's wasn't...)

Basically from the end of WWII to the late 70's there was a flat line/minor decrease in temperatures. The science of the time were more concerned with how the cooling trend would effect the recent increasingly convincing evidence that greenhouse gasses would likely have a global effect. There were some papers theorizing that an ice age was coming, and that made for great headlines and speculative stories, but was a minority in the actual scientific community.

But to answer your question: general cooling, general settling of local weather and the worlds glaciers doing the exact opposite of they have been doing for the last quarter century.

Yes the last El Niño I enjoyed was 1997-98 in Big Bear. Thirty feet? Whatever, it was as beautiful as Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario over the holidays. We Nordic skied 30 km a day! Just add quality Canuck beer and a pool, jacuzzi, sauna and run outside and jump in a snowbank, rince and repeat.

And yup, abundant precipitation is okely dokely with this Detroit transplant.

Er, UP here at roughly 7000 feet. I moved up to these San Bernardino Mountains full-time exactly nine months after I left the Army in 1985. Haven’t been counting snowfall ALall as life energy and brain function is devoted to digging at least half way down the stairs from my upstairs flat.

Greater amounts of moisture in the air will change many local climates as well--the Nino cycles are a specific example of this.

However, there is zero doubt that the combined effects are getting increasingly dramatic, and that the phenomenon was caused by humans.

Those who've been blaiming the recent 15-20 year drought on global warming now have a problem, but theyll be too dumb to admit it. They'll say "climate change", as if global warming could cause warming AND cooling, drought AND floods, etc. etc.

Perhaps you're just "too dumb" to understand simple science. Since it's no great mystery how warmer climates can cause droughts, I'll cut to the chase and explain how it also causes cooling and extreme weather events.

The warmer land temperatures in northern North America -- blame Canada ;) -- and northern Eurasia cause greater amounts of heat to be transported up/into the Arctic stratosphere. The Earth's warmer climate today causes sudden stratospheric warming events on a more frequent basis, and those more frequent warming events then cause destabilization of the polar vortex which brings the frigid cooler air from the North Pole down into the mid-latitudes and causes extreme weather.

Yes, there's obviously more to it, but that's the basics.

Ah, sigh ... actually, it can.

Those who've been blaiming the recent 15-20 year drought on global warming now have a problem, but theyll be too dumb to admit it. They'll say "climate change", as if global warming could cause warming AND cooling, drought AND floods, etc. etc.