For the record my first name is Taras.

And your middle name is the same as the board's biggest liar, and your twin brother's name is Gerard and your Mom's name was Nadia (not to be confused with mafia).

You think we forgot? Nope. :)

Hey! Doesn't anybody love MC?

Of course we do. We twins have to stick together; you know that! :)

Love you more.

Infinity! :)

Just ask him to pull out slowly and tell him that he isn’t there to talk politics! Then hop out of that sling and go home.

Zing!

Also, Michale's "Jack Reacher super cop" routine has confused him. Don't you think he should pick a lane, Russ? First he claims he's a cop. Then he claims he never said he was a cop. Now he's back to saying he was a cop.

What he's definitely established beyond any doubt whatsoever is that he's unequivocally a person who lies about himself... stolen valor, it's called. How pathetic is that!?

Love you, Russ! :)

The SCOTUS ruling returns the question of baby killing to the states..

So you're insisting the lifelong Republican who wrote the opinion in Roe and the majority on the SCOTUS who decided Roe with only the help of two Democrats murdered millions of babies? I guess that FACT blows to hell all your claims that Democrats killed millions.

How do we know this was nothing more than a political decision? Republicans are blaming Democrats for the deaths under Roe that was authored and decided by five Republicans and two Democrats. Their ignorance knows no bounds. :)

Democrat states can create whatever baby killing law they wish to...

Incorrect.

non sequitur....

Thank you for proving you don't know the meaning of "non sequitur."

And yet.. Here you are.. :D

Me calling you on your prattling repetitive bullshit wherein you put words in others mouths that they never said and assign them feelings that don't exist while you jerk off on your keyboard doesn't change the fact you get your jollies doing it. :)

Always so nice to be name-checked... :D

Responding to your post isn't the equivalent of name checking. I shouldn't have to keep explaining this, but here we are.

Thanx, Kick.. :D

You're welcome. Now that you're been educated about who created Roe, you can blame the Republicans who authored it. :)

Not factually accurate..

Believe what you wish; it's totally accurate.

Mississippi refiled with the court to change the remedy they sought..

I can't help the ignorance of those who don't understand that it's the job of a higher court to review the decisions of the lower courts. Like I said, Roberts reviewed the remedy they'd sought and granted it... as Courts in America do every day.

Initially Mississippi filed with the SCOTUS to approve the 15 weeks issue..

Obviously. Which was denied by the lower courts. Therefore, the SCOTUS granting them any different relief than they originally sought is a politically activist move.

Then, realizing the opportunity that was available, Mississippi re-filed with the SCOTUS to overturn Roe v Wade and Democrat Eugenics v Casey in full...

The Casey decision was plurality opinion written by three Republicans. You can keep claiming blaming Roe and Casey on Democrats if it's your wish to keep looking like an uninformed bloviating repetitive rube.

And Democrats went far beyond Roe V Wade and Democrat Eugenics v Casey to fight for baby killing right up to the point of birth.. Unrestricted baby killing on demand...

Name the cases.

Both sides overreached, but only the Right side won..

Incorrect. If anyone tells anybody that this is a "win" for what some people in the South refer to as the "poor white trash" (a term I don't generally use), then they're either ignorant or lying to you/themselves or both. Norma McCorvey a.k.a. Jane Roe was a poor white prostitute and definitely fit that description.

Democrats got boned...

You're still arguing out of both sides of your ass so I guess looking stupid is okay with you. :)

Love ya!

-R

Where? What court case are you describing here because I have not been able to find it!?!? I have not heard of any cases looking to EXTEND abortion access to women anywhere in this country!

A good way to know if you are defending the wrong side is if doing so requires you to rely on lies to make your point!

And while we are at it, let’s correct this little demonstration of ignorance:

Scientifically speaking, babies are conceived..

“Babies” is not a scientific term, what you are referring to Science would call an “infant”… and those are not considered “alive” until they are borne. Zygotes are conceived. Zygotes grow into a fetus. Fetuses become an infant once they are expelled from the womb.

As explained in Roe, the complications from pregnancy are greater than those of abortion and vary from person to person depending on their medical condition and physical fitness or lack thereof. If you're really concerned about life, you wouldn't force people of low income to jump through hoops to seek medical care regarding their pregnancies. After all, the effects of pregnancy on a person are medical care issues regardless your personal beliefs regarding abortion... and not unlike seeking medical care for complications arising from the effects of being obese.

Maybe next the SCOTUS will leave it to the states to decide whether or not they wish to allow heart surgery for fat people who've jammed their coronary arteries shut eating and maybe also allow states to outlaw treatment for ARLDs for those who've overindulged in alcohol. Does it not fit their agenda to save lives? Who should mind having to jump through hoops to get heart surgery? That's what they get for eating and drinking themselves into a medical condition, am I right? /sarcasm off

I mean, there's absolutely nothing in the Constitution that gives you the right to seek medical care for not treating your body as a temple, and that is definitely in the Bible. :)

If this is really true:

But the cop in me sees the inherent danger in NOT having a permit system in place... To allow permit-less carry is fraught with dangers...

Just ask him to pull out slowly and tell him that he isn’t there to talk politics! Then hop out of that sling and go home.

Good ta see ya back!! :D You have been sorely missed in this discussion..

I never left. Also, you are mostly responding to your own comments and having a "discussion" with yourself. Heh.

I completely agree with your argument.. A clump of cells is not a baby..

Nowhere in my argument did I say anything about a "clump of cells," and I will thank you in advance for not continuing to project your feelings about zygotes and embryos onto me. But thank you for letting us all know about your "clump of cells" beliefs. If you "completely agree" there's really no need to keep spewing your false equivalency since you've basically just explained your belief about the "clump of cells." Party's over pal, and you just ended it.

Right up to the point that said clump of cells develop a heartbeat which is usually around 6 weeks..

I personally disagree with your "clump of cells" characterization and find it crude and insensitive. Also, thank you for letting us all know you're personally in favor of baby killing.

So, that would be a natural cut-off to allow abortions.. Up until a heartbeat, it's NOT a baby...

We all understood what you meant with your crude usage of the characterization "clump of cells." No need to elaborate further; we all get it, baby killer.

And if Democrats would have been happy with SAFE, LEGAL and RARE, Democrats would not be in the mess they are now..

You're arguing out of both sides of your ass again. It's comical to watch.

He's wasting his time. Who cares if he wastes his time?

~ Kick

Apparently you and MC do because ya can't help talking about me.. :D

If talking about someone means you care about them, then you're head over heels in love with Democrats, and there's shit-tons of archived evidence to prove it. The evidence clearly shows you care about Barack Obama the most, but with time I believe your absolute love for Biden (either Joe or Hunter) will eclipse your archived love for Barack Hussein Obama.

I seriously don't care if you waste your time regurgitating right-wing propaganda and demonstrating your level of gullibility and absolute disregard for facts, and I doubt if anyone else cares either. Sometimes I'll read and respond with actual facts. Most of the time I'll skip the repetitive ad nauseum prattling. :)

"It's been a real slice..."
-Meg, HERCULES

But my lovely wife and JOE PICKETT beckons...

So.....

"Hasta lasagna, don't get any on ya..."
-Emilio Estevez, MISSION IMPOSSIBLE

:D

Oh.. And... Welcome back, Kick... So nice to have you again.. :D

Not factually accurate.. The SCOTUS ruling returns the question of baby killing to the states..

Democrat states can create whatever baby killing law they wish to...

}}}California will likely become the baby killing capitol of the United States..{{{

Ronald Reagan... not a Democrat.

non sequitur....

You enjoy assigning words and emotions to others. You're wasting your time.

And yet.. Here you are.. :D

Always so nice to be name-checked... :D

Thanx, Kick.. :D

In half the states, Democrats will be able to have unfettered abortion...

Incorrect. Forty-three states prohibit abortions after a specified point in pregnancy, with some exceptions provided, generally when an abortion is necessary to protect the patient's life or health.

Ya'all should be CELEBRATING...

You should be cracking a book; your repetitive prattling is incorrect.

Democrats can now create their baby killing Utopias within the confines of Democrat run states..

Incorrect again. There is nothing in Dobbs that has now granted this.

California will likely become the baby killing capitol of the United States..

Ronald Reagan... not a Democrat.

So... What's the beef here???

That Democrats can't force THEIR beliefs on states and peoples that don't share those beliefs..

You'd actually have a valid point if Roe v. Wade forced a woman to have an abortion, but it didn't... so you don't. You'd also have a point if Roe v. Wade was decided by a majority of Democrat-appointed judges, but it wasn't and far from it.

It was majority Republican-nominated justices of the SCOTUS who decided Roe in 1973 with a 7-2 vote that was not along partisan lines:

Harry Blackmun (R) appointed by Nixon wrote the Roe opinion
William Brennan (R) appointed by Eisenhower
Potter Stewart (R) Eisenhower
Warren Burger (R) Nixon
Lewis Powell (R) Nixon
William Douglas (D) FDR
Thurgood Marshall (D) LBJ

Those who dissented:

Byron White (D) Kennedy
William Rehnquist (R) Nixon

A lifelong Republican SCOTUS justice wrote the majority decision in Roe. Five Republican-nominated justices and two Democratic-nominated justices ruled for choice with limitations... not for forced abortion.

Republicans wanted (past tense) less government interference and less government regulation in people's lives, medical decisions, and personal lives.

When the religious right aligned itself with the Republican Party (it's mentioned in the Bible zero times), it then became a political issue. I mean, anyone who actually believes Donald Trump gives a shit about people's lives wasn't and isn't paying attention.

Is THAT really what ya'all are pissed about???

You enjoy assigning words and emotions to others. You're wasting your time.

A 'default' when flush with cash:
Five signs Russia ain't sinking yet

Following are five signs that the Russian economy is still resilient:

* The strongest currency in the world: The rouble, which for decades even Russians shunned because it was so weak and volatile, is by far the world's top performing currency against the U.S. dollar year-to-date.

* Oil - The lifeblood of Russia's economy has been trading above $100 a barrel since Russia invaded Ukraine. Brent crude oil was trading at $112.99 on Monday.

With high oil prices, Russia, the world's second largest oil exporter after Saudi Arabia and world largest exporter of natural gas, has a trillion-dollar-a-year cushion against sanctions.

* Rates - Russia's central bank cut its key interest rates to the pre-crisis level of 9.5% on June 10 - and has kept the door open to a further easing as inflation slowed.

* Food and no panic - There is still food in the shops of Moscow and few signs of panic.

Immediately after the invasion, there was some panic buying of things like sugar. But that has subsided: there is ample food in the shops of Moscow and no run on the banks.

* Unemployment - just 4%, a record low, in April.

Some fear unemployment could be understated as big companies have yet to cut staff but for now at least, just 3.0 million are without a job. A new reading for May is due shortly.

Another failure of Biden's Handlers and Democrats.. :eyeroll:

Democrats simply have NOTHING to run on in November... Nothing but failure after failure after failure...

Stacey BIG LIE Abrams doesn't stand a chance of being elected GA Governor...

It's always nice to see that ya care.. :D

It's not a question of entitlement.. It's a question of ya'all standing by ya'all's word..

You try and hold me to my words, yet ya refuse to hold your word...

So, that makes you no better than you claim I am.. :D

See how that works?? :D

Irregardless, the simple fact is, Democrats (and Weigantians apparently) LOVE political violence... As long as it's Democrats committing the violence against the RIGHT people...

It's fine.. It's not as if I am actually surprised by the lack of condemnation for this Democrat political violence..

I always knew it...

Yep, I've missed ya Kick.:D

I thought you had outgrown such silly and childish personal attacks...

Apparently not..

Oh well... I can't say I am surprised..

Only because ya'all refuse to address the FACTS..

Oooo! FACTS are in all caps so either you're "shouting" or your so-called "facts" are doubly specially true!

Anyways...GotEntitlement?

I missed the part about where anyone in Weigantia is entitled to a reply.

One has to wonder how long it will take for Democrats to start marketing BABY KILLING VACAYs, eh? :eyeroll:

No one has to wonder how long you'll spew the ignorant false equivalency bullshit.

Also, if you actually believe a Republican wouldn't do something along these lines if it benefitted his bottom line then no one has to wonder the level of your ignorance... since you're spelling it out in no uncertain terms.

Keep rolling your eyes; maybe you'll find a brain back there. :)

The Greatest Living American Issues His Career-Defining Court Opinion

Justice Thomas' opinion on Bruen is a big win for Americans...

The article is a very good read for anyone interested in the OTHER big SCOTUS case.. :D

another major area of concern that the states banning abortion are either ignorant of or are willfully disregarding is the impact it will have on women who experience a natural miscarriage.

Willful disregard of facts seems to be the default setting of ignorant Righties, which I refer to as "stuck on stupid."

first off, many of the same procedures and medications used for abortion are the most effective ways of protecting the health of a woman who has lost a pregnancy, so she can try to conceive again.

Exactly. How refreshing to hear from someone who knows exactly what they're talking about.

in half the states now miscarriage care will become MUCH harder to obtain, because of those similarities.

It's already happened in Texas. Women who are early in their pregnancy but their fetal membrane has broken and their pregnancy is over. The fetal membrane can only spontaneously heal for small punctures and cannot otherwise recover. OG/GYNs in Texas are having to send their patients to other states to save their lives.

and on top of the pain it brings already, miscarrying women may even be subject to criminal investigations.

Also already happening here in Texas. Anyone on the planet can make a claim against you. Fortunately, District Attorneys across Texas have said they will not criminally prosecute these cases... not unlike the way they generally don't prosecute rape cases in Texas.

i can imagine no worse fate for someone who wants a child than to miscarry in a state where on top of the grief she already feels she might then be accused of murder.

I can actually imagine a worse fate, but then I've been trained to inflict torture... but yeah, that's a tough one.

Not factually accurate..

Mississippi refiled with the court to change the remedy they sought..

Initially Mississippi filed with the SCOTUS to approve the 15 weeks issue..

Then, realizing the opportunity that was available, Mississippi re-filed with the SCOTUS to overturn Roe v Wade and Democrat Eugenics v Casey in full...

some states went far beyond that point in their legislation, but that's a glaring omission from most debates on the topic.

And Democrats went far beyond Roe V Wade and Democrat Eugenics v Casey to fight for baby killing right up to the point of birth.. Unrestricted baby killing on demand...

Both sides overreached, but only the Right side won..

K sara sara... Sometimes you get the bear.. Sometimes the bear bones you...

Democrats got boned...

End of story...

Bet Democrats wish they had stuck with SAFE, LEGAL and RARE, eh?? :D

absolutely right about the limits that already existed under roe. the roe v. wade decision only protected abortions prior to fetal viability.

Absolutely correct, which used to be around 28 weeks when Roe was originally decided but due to modern advances in technology is actually considered around 22 weeks today. The Dobbs case brought by Mississippi originally sought to set the standard of that state to 15 weeks, which Chief Justice Roberts was willing to grant the remedy they'd sought... so now the regurgitating misinformed righties on chat boards and forums all over America are pissing all over Roberts for doing exactly what Courts do every day... either grant in whole or in part the remedy sought by the petitioner, deny it, or issue a decision with instructions that remands it back to the lower court for further consideration, etc.

Imagine your neighbor going to court and suing you for infringing on his property. He petitions the court to have your fence moved 15 feet, and the Court decides in his favor and grants him 100 feet (a remedy which he hadn't sought) which requires the bulldozing of your residence. That's akin to what this activist SCOTUS has done. That's why it was a 5-4 decision; Roberts granted Mississippi the remedy they'd sought because that's what Courts do all across America every day.

some states went far beyond that point in their legislation, but that's a glaring omission from most debates on the topic.

Righties are generally uneducated regurgitators and therefore lousy debaters who present straw man arguments and false equivalencies... ad nauseum. It's a waste of time, and I'm quite sure they don't understand how stupid they appear arguing out of both sides of their ass.

Not relevant to the discussion but relevant to the ignorance regarding facts of Righties in general, I saw some interesting footage where reporters were interviewing Righties attending a Trump rally. They were informing Righties of indisputable facts regarding the 2020 election. As a reminder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMXMaHtr218

Bill Barr and many multiple others from the Trump campaign had testified under oath that they told Donald Trump repeatedly that investigations had been performed and that there was no evidence of any widespread fraud that would have changed the outcome of the 2020 election and that Ivanka Trump testified under oath that she believed her father had lost the election. The Righties didn't know these facts, and one of them stated something along the lines of, "Then Ivanka ain't no Trump no more." As if. :)

Democrats only played to hysterical emotionalism in defending RvW and DEvC....

Democrats KNOW that RvW and DEvC doesn't have ANY basis in fact or law...

Democrats sole argument is an emotional argument with no sound basis in fact or law...

Interesting to note that...

WASHINGTON (AP) — A political shift is beginning to take hold across the U.S. as tens of thousands of suburban swing voters who helped fuel the Democratic Party’s gains in recent years are becoming Republicans.

More than 1 million voters across 43 states have switched to the Republican Party over the last year, according to voter registration data analyzed by The Associated Press. The previously unreported number reflects a phenomenon that is playing out in virtually every region of the country — Democratic and Republican states along with cities and small towns — in the period since President Joe Biden replaced former President Donald Trump.

But nowhere is the shift more pronounced — and dangerous for Democrats — than in the suburbs, where well-educated swing voters who turned against Trump’s Republican Party in recent years appear to be swinging back. Over the last year, far more people are switching to the GOP across suburban counties from Denver to Atlanta and Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Republicans also gained ground in counties around medium-size cities such as Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; Raleigh, North Carolina; Augusta, Georgia; and Des Moines, Iowa.

"Captain, have we not heard the chimes at midnight?"
-General Chang, STAR TREK VI THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY

Doesn't look good for Democrats, eh?? :D

Not at all.. You people claimed that you would condemn political violence no matter which side of the political spectrum it came from..

I am simply holding ya'all to yer word...

Reposted for clarity... Apologies...

Historic West Virginia Catholic church burned to ground by arsonist, police say

St. Colman Catholic Church is only the most recent church to face an arson attack

Condemnation???

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If it was a Democrat Eugenics Center AKA Planned Parenthood, ya'all would be screaming hysterically and condemning the act passionately....

Hypocrisy.. It's not a bug in Democrat programming.. It's a feature

Hypocrisy.. It's not a bug in Democrat programming.. It's a feature

Only because ya'all refuse to address the FACTS..

Fact #1.. Abortion has NOT been made illegal by the SCOTUS.. Democrat states are now free to create baby killing sanctuaries where they can have every citizen be a Casey Anthony...

So what's the problem????

Fact #2.. Ya'all claimed that ya'all would condemn political violence regardless of whether it came from the right or the left...

To date, no one has condemned any of the Democrat violence...

Ya don't want repetition?? Then start participating in the discussion..

Don't wanna participate?? Then quit yer whining... :eyeroll:

Boring.

You can change that..

Don't wanna?? Then quit yer whining and just be a lurker...

What a disappointment, but it's nothing more than Don 2.0 and every bit as ineffective. Like you even care, obviously.

Boring.

THE VIOLENCE WAS HORRIBLE': Portland abortion protesters target pregnancy support center
Rioters target family and pregnancy centers nationwide

The head of a Portland family and pregnancy support center said Monday on "Fox & Friends First" the nonprofit was mistakenly targeted and damaged by protesters angry over the Supreme Court decision to reverse Roe v. Wade.

Mother and Child Education Center executive director Maura White told hosts Carley Shimkus and Joey Jones that the organization is not "anti-abortion," as protesters believed.

"My organization, we are nonprofit, and we help moms, families, kids in need, babies from zero to 5 years old. We're just there to help people. And so they mistakenly thought that we were out here doing anti-abortion and everything, the violence was horrible," said White.

The silence from Democrats is deafening.... :^/

They're baked in the same pie. Hit one and you can't help hitting the other.

Another blow for American freedom and against Democrat Dictatorship.....

Huzzah!!! :D

Doctors are already allowed to perform miscarriage care...

But if a woman used those drugs at home without a local doctor involved and it was after 6 weeks, then it's obvious that she was trying to kill her baby..

You are comparing apples and eskimos...

ANY medical or surgical intervention carries risks, any of which is why it's so dangerous to make these things harder to do through a doctor. The best way to make miscarriage care safe is to allow doctors to treat it without government interference.

This violence will likely be accompanied by rhetoric that more explicitly posits abortion not just as a positive good — “shout your abortion” — but a necessary one for women to enjoy their full rights as citizens under the Constitution. The argument, already gaining steam in public discourse, is that without a constitutional right to kill the unborn, women are relegated to a kind of second-class status, stripped of their full humanity. This rhetoric will be used in part as a justification for violence, but it also reflects the actual views of Democrats and the left on abortion.

Indeed, the very first paragraph of Justice Stephen Breyer’s dissent in Dobbs makes this claim: “Respecting a woman as an autonomous being, and granting her full equality, meant giving her substantial choice over this most personal and most consequential of all life decisions.” Note the phrase “full equality.” Without a right to abortion, women do not have full equality, goes the argument.

It is not the first time Democrats have asserted absolute constitutional rights that for their vindication require the total abnegation of rights or even personhood of entire classes of people. The modern Democratic Party’s stance on abortion rights is almost indistinguishable from its antebellum stance on the constitutionality of slaveowner rights.

Once again.. Proof positive that the Democrat Party has not fallen far from it's Slave Owner roots... :^/

Above all, the Dobbs decision suggests that conservatives’ long-standing frustration with Republican-appointed but media-obsessed justices in the mold of Roberts or Anthony Kennedy (derided by one Reagan-era official as “a DC social climber, not a jurist”) is over—and that the failures of Roberts’ Taneyist jurisprudence could prove to be permanent. If Roberts had had his way and the Court had subserviently taken its marching orders from the elites of America’s ruling class rather than looking to the Constitution and delegating power back to the American people, Roe would still be the law of the land. But with Friday’s decision, the Supreme Court signaled that the arbiter of our national politics is no longer the media—but the American people.

Which is as it should be...

Again, the core of the SCOTUS decision is DEMOCRACY...

Call it whatever you will.. Abortion or baby killing..

It's a MORAL decision that the courts are ill equipped to handle..

It should be left to the PEOPLE to decide..

Which is exactly what the SCOTUS made happen..

Three cheers for the SCOTUS!! :D

Why Democrats Oppose Emancipation For The Unborn

The Supreme Court’s decision in Roe was as shameful as its decision in Dred Scott — and for the same reason.

Pro abortion Democrats today are no different than the Pro slavery Democrats of the 19th century...

They wanted to maintain the status quo of the day for the "harmony of society"... :eyeroll:

Democrats will still have abortion sanctuary states...

And everyone knows that Democrats don't give a rip about women in Red states anyways..

So, the only beef I can see here is that Democrats are bummed they can't impose their ideology on those who don't agree with their ideology..

Tuff doo doo....

INFECTIONS
One of the risks of the abortion pill occurs in some cases when the abortion pill is unsuccessful at completing the abortion procedure, resulting in retained fetal tissue in the uterus. If left unnoticed, this retained tissue can lead to dangerous and potentially life-threatening infections.

Such infections can produce uterine scarring that will cause infertility..

Further, Misoprostol and Mifepristone is not safe to use after 10 weeks..

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/01/10/666957368/a-drug-that-eases-miscarriages-is-difficult-for-women-to-get

believe what you like, it's the fact. Misoprostol and Mifepristone, taken together, cause the uterus to contract and rid itself of whatever's inside, clearing the path for whatever comes next. same with surgical alternatives. that result is the same regardless of whether whatever's being expelled is a living organism or the leftovers from a miscarriage.

JL

Anyone wanna take a stab at how exactly this works??

I mean, any Democrat that is pro-baby killing already are hysterically anti-Right...

Baby killing (or lack thereof) is not going to inflame Independents and NPAs... We are more concerned with the economy and inflation and such... Yunnno.. REAL issues with REAL impact..

"Look, the girl was already hysterical.. She thought she was going to die.. So she was screaming.. She saw the circuitry in your arm and so she screamed some more.. Big deal.. Get over it.."
-Dr Rudy Wells, CYBORG by Martin Caidin

That's how it is with Democrats..

They were hysterically anti-America before the ruling.. They're hysterically anti-America AFTER the ruling..

Big deal.. Get over it... :^/

Attacks on government buildings.. Hostage takings.. Attempted assassination.. Arson.. Attempted murder of police officers??

And Democrats and Weigantians???

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No podium pounding denunciations of these violent acts...

No House Committees formed to investigate how these vile and vicious acts of political violence were planned and executed.....

Hypocrisy.. It's not a bug in Democrat programming.. It's a feature..

The SCOTUS has not made abortion illegal... No way, no how...

Anyone who claims that the SCOTUS just made abortion illegal is either ignorant or lying to further an Anti America agenda..

All the SCOTUS did was, correctly, take the courts out of the equation and put the question of abortion BACK where it belongs.. With the people..

Yunno... DEMOCRACY???

Do ya'all have a problem with DEMOCRACY???

And, as far as the fear mongering about the SCOTUS making gay marriage illegal and contraception illegal??

Again.. 1000% complete and utter BS..

If that comes to pass, ALL the SCOTUS will be doing to to put those questions to THE PEOPLE..

Again... DEMOCRACY...

From ya'all's reactions I am beginning to wonder why ya'all hate Democracy so much??

Why you are insistent on imposing Democrat ideology on people who don't WANT Democrat ideology..

That's called a dictatorship...

Why are ya'all so in favor of a dictatorship??

Good ta see ya back!! :D You have been sorely missed in this discussion..

I completely agree with your argument.. A clump of cells is not a baby..

Right up to the point that said clump of cells develop a heartbeat which is usually around 6 weeks..

So, that would be a natural cut-off to allow abortions.. Up until a heartbeat, it's NOT a baby...

And if Democrats would have been happy with SAFE, LEGAL and RARE, Democrats would not be in the mess they are now..

So, really Democrats only have themselves to blame..

He's wasting his time. Who cares if he wastes his time?

Apparently you and MC do because ya can't help talking about me.. :D

Always good to hear from ya, Kick.. Glad yer back.. :D

In half the states, Democrats will be able to have unfettered abortion...

Democrats will be able to enshrine CASEY ANTHONY laws and allow abortions right up to the second before birth..

Just like Democrats wanted..

Ya'all should be CELEBRATING...

Democrats can now create their baby killing Utopias within the confines of Democrat run states..

California will likely become the baby killing capitol of the United States..

So... What's the beef here???

That Democrats can't force THEIR beliefs on states and peoples that don't share those beliefs..

Is THAT really what ya'all are pissed about???

And yet, we now live in a world where Roe v Wade and Democrat Eugenics v Casey are thrown on the trash heap of history where it belongs..

We live in a world where the 2nd Amendment is stronger than ever..

And we live in this world thanx to President Trump and his administration..

Calling President Trump's administration a "complete failure" is simply hysterical emotionalism and a total detachment from the facts and from reality...

Significant opinions are due on environmental regulation, church and state, immigration and other matters

Looks like the show's not over yet, people.. :D

One has to wonder how much more awesome it can get, eh?? :D

Odumbo didn't know how right he was when he said so condescendingly....

"Elections have consequences"

eh? :D

Not factually accurate..

McConnell simply followed precedent...

Historically speaking, throughout American history, when their party controls the Senate, presidents get to fill Supreme Court vacancies at any time — even in a presidential election year, even in a lame-duck session after the election, even after defeat.

Historically speaking, when the opposite party controls the Senate, the Senate can, at it's own discretion, block Supreme Court nominees sent up in a presidential election year, and hold the seat open for the winner.

Both of those precedents are settled by experience as old as the republic.

The power to ADVISE & CONSENT is the power to WITHHOLD said advice and consent..

Democrats can do the same thing if they hold the Senate and there is a GOP POTUS...

It's a political gambit no different than a multitude of other political gambits that have been and will be done...

The ONLY reason ya'all call it a dirty trick is because Democrats were on the losing end of the gambit.. If the roles had been reversed and it was a GOP POTUS and a Democrat Senate, ya'all would have called it what it really is..

A brilliant political maneuver..

You are on record as stating that there is nothing untoward or inherently wrong with gaming the system to one's benefit as long as one stays within the confines of the law...

The McConnell Maneuver was simply McConnell gaming the system to the advantage of the GOP.. All within the letter of the law...

And so it goes... and so it goes...

I find it very difficult to believe that drugs and procedures that KILL an unborn baby would be effective in helping that same woman conceive ANOTHER baby at a future date...

I have to call BS on this.. :D

Yea and Democrats think that more lax gun laws will mean wild west shoot-outs every day in every city..

So there is ignorance all over the place..

That's not the point..

The point is that everything was status quo back when Democrats were of the opinion that abortions should be SAFE LEGAL and RARE...

But then Democrats went overboard and overreached, as Democrats are wont to do..

Democrats wanted to SHOUT OUT their baby killing and CELEBRATE their infanticide...

This overreach caused an equal and opposite reaction..

And Democrats lost..

Why is that so difficult to understand??

Had Democrats as a Party been satisfied with SAFE, LEGAL and RARE, Roe v Wade and Democrat Eugenics v Casey would still be the law of the land..

But Democrats had to push it and push it and Republicans fought back.. And won

You really need to acknowledge this fact. The blame for RvW and DEvC being over-rules lays solely with the Democrat Party.

Democrats pushed for unlimited on-demand baby killing right up to the point of birth..

And normal sane rational Americans pushed back..

And Democrats lost..

"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain 'Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN

i can imagine no worse fate for someone who wants a child than to miscarry in a state where on top of the grief she already feels she might then be accused of murder.

I can..

A husband and wife who is married for 60 years and they are more in love after 60 years than they were when they first married...

The husband dies under mysterious circumstances and the wife is accused of murdering her beloved..

Should we make murder legal just because of the possibility that someone might be falsely accused??

Ya'all can argue about the unborn baby not being a "real" baby til the cows come home..

But the simple fact is, abortion after 6 weeks kills a beating heart..

That is close enough to murder for any normal sane rational human being...

And all Weigantians agree.. Their SHOULD be restrictions on abortion...

first off, many of the same procedures and medications used for abortion are the most effective ways of protecting the health of a woman who has lost a pregnancy, so she can try to conceive again. in half the states now miscarriage care will become MUCH harder to obtain, because of those similarities. and on top of the pain it brings already, miscarrying women may even be subject to criminal investigations.

i can imagine no worse fate for someone who wants a child than to miscarry in a state where on top of the grief she already feels she might then be accused of murder.

absolutely right about the limits that already existed under roe. the roe v. wade decision only protected abortions prior to fetal viability. some states went far beyond that point in their legislation, but that's a glaring omission from most debates on the topic. anti-abortion activists seem to think that roe v wade allowed abortion up until birth, when in fact it didn't.

No fucking reason at all!

Your sense of entitlement is showing (again).

Next time you feel the need to lecture Speak2 or myself or anyone else for their choice of word usage, please remember the fact that you generally post however you please due to that obvious "perch of privilege" on which you've situated yourself.

Right now, your insensitivity and hypocrisy are shining like klieg lights on the entire forum, and it's not a good look on you. You following up your earlier rant by putting words in the mouths of others is not making it better by any stretch of the imagination... quite the opposite, in fact. Just saying. :)

In fact, Supreme Thomas saw fit to write that marriage equality, contraception and interracial marriage rights are next.

Yes, Thomas definitely did put Obergefell (right to same-sex marriage) and Griswold (right to contraception) squarely in his crosshairs; however, he made no mention of Loving (right to interracial marriage). I wonder why that is... no, I actually do not.

Once again you are putting words in people's mouths to attract attention.

You shouldn't discount the possibility that he's also likely ignorant regarding the facts of Roe v. Wade.

I do NOT agree that there should be ANY restrictions on abortion whatsoever! For in reality that solves a problem that doesn't exist.

Roe v. Wade definitely already had restrictions; any moron on any comment board across America telling you otherwise is either (a) ignorant or (b) lying and either way presenting a straw man argument(s) as justification for the purely political decision of the SCOTUS.

He's wasting his time. Who cares if he wastes his time?

Just because you believe that women wait until the last minute to get an abortion has nothing to do with the real world.

He's also talking out of both sides of his ass; I would wager without hesitation that he doesn't even realize how he undercuts his own ridiculous arguments.

But despite being shredded on a regular basis you CLEARLY don't care how you look.

If he did, he definitely wouldn't be arguing out of both sides of his ass. :)

No matter how many times you repeat your opinion on fetuses being equal to babies, it will still be a minority opinion, not a fact.

Living organisms, yes. Babies, not so much.

Exactly. Zygotes and embryos are also not babies.

If a zygote, embryo, or fetus is a baby, then the fathers of those "babies" (including the rapists [statutory or otherwise] and including the perpetrators of incest) should by law be required to pay child support back to the date of conception as determined by a physician. If it's a baby from Day 1, then pay for it back to conception. Also, if it's a baby upon fertilization, then life insurance from the date of conception is acceptable just in case the baby dies in the womb. Of course, the baby should get a social security number on the day of conception and become an instant tax deduction. Of course, it also isn't too late to file a tax return or amended return for stimulus for your "baby" back to the date of conception. Anyone who hits you while carrying a zygote, embryo, or fetus should obviously be cited for assault and child abuse and/or child endangerment.

If a zygote is a baby, then it's a citizen of the United States and entitled to be counted in the census. Did the census not ask about your zygote, embryo, or fetus in 2020? Ooops. Better have a redo in 2022. :)

New York Times op-ed lays out plan to 'discipline' Supreme Court in response to Roe v Wade decision

NYT columnist Jamelle Bouie suggested packing the court, impeaching justices, and more to punish the court for overturning Roe
Bouie also suggested that Congress impose a supermajority requirement on the Supreme Court or "strip the court of its jurisdiction over certain issues."

"In the face of a reckless, reactionary and power-hungry court, Congress has options. The problem is politics," Bouie wrote.

And how do Democrats propose "IMPOSING" anything on the Judiciary which is an EQUAL branch to the Legislative???

Democrats are talking INSURRECTION here...

I find that EXTREMELY hilarious... :D

Civil War 2.0 here we come!!! :D

As governor, I will veto any anti-choice legislation and work to roll back existing anti-choice legislation."
-BIG LIE Advocate Stacey Abrams

And yet, Abrams can't even define what a "woman" is...

Funny how that is, eh?? :D

Meanwhile, Disney’s much-touted “Lightyear” came out and did surprisingly poorly after a lot of week-of-release talk about the lesbian relationship in the film. The same-sex marriage is a small part of the story and no one should be bothered by the existence of gay people, even in a kids’ movie, but the shocking underperformance must have Disney wondering whether people stayed away because they thought (even if mistakenly) that “Lightyear” was a message movie.

Disney’s decision to spend a couple of minutes of screen time reminding us that it’s a gay-friendly company may well have cost it millions in ticket sales for what was supposed to be its annual Pixar mega-blockbuster. Disney has to consider the idea that there might be many Pixar fans who have no problem with gay marriage who nevertheless would prefer the matter be left out of kids’ movies. Disney also chose a side in the Florida dispute about teaching sexual orientation to little kids, and it may have damaged one of the world’s most valuable brands.

Lightyear WAS a "message movie"... When they replaced the REAL Buzz Lightyear with a liberal, Disney sent a perfectly clear message...

GO WOKE.... GO BROKE....

The message couldn't be ANY clearer...

And THAT is exactly the problem with the Democrat Party..

They are ALWAYS about the easiest and simplest way...

Democrats are not interested in doing the hard work and heavy lifting to push their agenda..

Democrats believe that the world owes them... Democrats believe that they are entitled.... So Democrats won't do the hard work and heavy lifting..

Allow me to give the Democrats a list of what they are entitled to... A list of what society owes them...

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That's it..

That is ALL Democrats are entitled to... That is ALL that society owes to Democrats...

Roe is gone. What do Democrats do now?
Democrats don’t have a quick fix for the end of Roe because there isn’t one.

Given all the time they’ve had to prepare, the lack of any real plan or preparation by national Democratic leaders in anticipation of Friday’s Supreme Court decision, in which the high court finally overturned Roe, has been stunning.

Simply one more indication that Democrats are all about the short term...

The Democrat Party simply has NO CONCEPT of long term strategic thinking...

I have to admit that I am of two minds on this..

I am sure ya'all realize that I am a Constitutional Carry type person..

But the cop in me sees the inherent danger in NOT having a permit system in place... To allow permit-less carry is fraught with dangers...

So this issue is really a moral conundrum for me...

The chief justice had zero support for his middle of the road effort on Roe v. Wade.

Ya almost have to feel sorry for Roberts..

But I temper that pity with the fact that Roberts is being a politician where a judge and a leader are called for..

When it comes to moral issues such as baby killing, the politician needs to step down and the judge/leader needs to step up...

What started out as one of the WORST episodes turned into one of the BEST episodes..

And, as a bonus, they got rid of Captain Pike's Johnny Bravo jiffy-pop doo.... :D

Colorado pregnancy center vandalized, set ablaze hours after Supreme Court announced abortion decision: police

The Supreme Court announced it was overturning the landmark Roe v. Wade abortion case on Friday
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Context provided... :^/

To hear the wails of protest over Justice Alito’s correction to this egregiously bad jurisprudence, one would think he had violated stare decisis and ripped up the Constitution. In truth, he has merely vindicated an obvious reading of it — one which entrusts the issue to the people at long last. What’s shocking is not that Roe v. Wade has fallen but that it stood for so long and resulted in so much bloodshed. It is forgotten now, but Roe was a divisive and unpopular decision from the start and seen as willful jurisprudence by even some liberals. It is to Alito’s great credit that he ignored intense backlash from the Democrats, not to mention a subversive leak from inside the court, and remained faithful to the Constitution.

The apoplexy of the Democrats over his ruling gives the lie to their stated confidence in the American people as overwhelmingly pro-abortion. Were that the case, why would they need to run around with their hair on fire? For all their windy rhetoric, the Democrats are not afraid for democracy but of democracy. On no issue is that clearer than on abortion, where they have relied for years on courts to give them the results they know that they couldn’t have obtained at the ballot box.

Their panic over the Dobbs decision belies Biden’s claim that it will prove a political boon for the Democrats. It is far more likely to complicate political life for them, especially since they wiped out any pro-life wing in the party. At least half the country, as even pro-abortion groups suspect, will adopt pro-life laws of varying degrees. If anyone may face a “mini-revolution” after the collapse of Roe v. Wade, it is the fanatically pro-abortion Democrats who never expected this day to come.

We need to face reality here.. The SCOTUS over-turning RvW and DEvC was not judicial activism..

It was the solution to judicial activism. It rectified and corrected the gross and perverse judicial activism of 5 decades ago..

And yes.. As mentioned by Justice Thomas, there are several instances of judicial activism that ALSO may need rectifying.. Time will tell if those instances will also be rectified..

If that comes to pass, then those instances will be returned to the people so that the PEOPLE, thru their elected representatives, can decide how they want their lives to be...

That's what Democracy is all about... Why are ya'all so afraid of Democracy??? Why are Democrats so intent on forcing THEIR will on people who don't share Democrat beliefs??

That's not Democracy.. That's authoritarianism.. Dictatorship.. Why are Democrats so intent on being a dictatorship???

Someone (I think it was Russ) asked me before to put the 2nd Amendment in place of Roe v Wade and Democrat Eugenics v Casey...

It could never happen, because it's an apple v eskimo comparison, but in the spirit of the question asked, I will answer..

(As an aside, it would be nice if others could emulate my integrity.. But k sara sara)

IF some future SCOTUS were able to judicial activism the 2nd away and return the power of the right to keep and bear arms to the states (which is ALL that this current SCOTUS has done with RvW and DEvC) I would be bummed.. But I live in a state where the right to keep and bear arms is sacrosanct, so it would not be any big deal for me..

If I lived in a Democrat state, I would simply move to a state that IS a Conceal Carry state. That is how important the right to defend myself and my family is to me..

Since it's obvious that the right to kill babies is that important to Democrats, they can simply move to a state where the right to kill babies is sacrosanct..

So, everyone is happy... It's a win win for ALL Americans..

Call me insensitive, but I honestly don't understand what all the fuss is about?? People who STILL want to kill their babies will be able to kill their babies.. They will simply have to move to a state where there are like-minded WE LOVE KILLING BABIES people..

I'll ask AGAIN....

Where's the beef???

‘DEATH TO SCOTUS’
Portland rioters smash windows, tag private property with pro-choice messages in city’s downtown

More Democrat violence that will go un-condemned..

One has to wonder when Democrats will convene the J25C to investigate THIS violence... :^/

Looks like Summer 2022 is shaping up to be worse than Summer 2020....

So, don't worry Democrats.. Ya'all will have PLENTY of chances to ignore Democrat violence... :eyeroll:

Ahhh but there is always something new to learn.. :D

It was a good movie.. But I felt like when I watched 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY

It was decent but we didn't get why it's an American classic...

Perhaps if we had watched it in it's hey day it would have made more of an impact..

But it was good... We enjoyed it..

Perhaps... But they strive to achieve the same goal...

To mitigate, equivocate and/or justify actions..

It's like how Democrats ignore political violence from the Democrats..

They give "reasons" or "excuses" for the violence.

"It's not really violence"

or, the most popular...

"well...er. uh... THAT'S different"

Democrats live in a dream world and their reasons/excuses are constantly changing so Democrats DON'T have to change who they are and what they do..

Best I can do from there is "Peace."

S

Trying to explain an action and coming up with motivations provide reasons. Those don't excuse actions. Reasons and excuses are different beasts. That was for M.

For EM
I never said subway surfing doesn't need to end.

I'm not happy with people not reading carefully or twisting words and meanings for their own purposes or agendas. Please try harder.

in the air tonight, live acoustic

Well, regardless, here's a much better note to end on for this sensitive soul. Heh. Thanks, Joshua!

Jann Arden - Insensitive

No one here can make me feel bad. Only I can do that.

i have no desire to make you feel bad or hit you over the head with it, but it really was horribly insensitive. this is a kid that was sitting in my class taking a final exam a week ago, and now he's lying unconscious in a hospital bed, unlikely to ever wake up. his girlfriend came by my class every morning to give him a hug. yes, subway surfing is horrible, as if i needed any additional convincing. i sincerely hope the next kid who decides to do something stupid chooses something less lethal.

I left NYC 30 yrs ago and subway surfing wasn't a thing then.

It sure shootin' shouldn't be a thing today, either! If you care about kids, that is.

I didn't grow up in the projects or even in public housing but pretty damn close. As it is today, I live pretty much paycheck to paycheck with a little retirement savings though I'll be working till I die. So, I really don't need you or anyone else to explain what empathy and compassion are. Especially when you don't think subway surfing needs to end!

I felt bad this morning. Feel worse now. Aloha!

See ya'all in the AM... :D

Under current law, county police chiefs in Hawaii have the discretion to determine whether to issue a carry permit. Without such a permit, people in Hawaii are only allowed to keep firearms in the home and can transport them — unloaded and locked up — to shooting ranges, hunting areas and other limited locations such as for repairs.

Guess what Hawaii??? You have just become a SHALL.MUST ISSUE state...

Welcome to the Constitutional Republic of the United States Of America...

Aloha...

HUZZZAH!!!

Answer: NEVER

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Response from Weigantians???

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So, we can put to rest as false the idea that Weigantians will condemn DEMOCRAT political violence...

That's been settled... :eyeroll:

If my beliefs were the only ones that counted i'd use the viability standard,

Which is EXACTLY the standard that Chief Justice Roberts stated for the record should be thrown out..