This is a big fucking deal, but this salty characterization applies to Putin's Folly as well.

Think of it, all you "better to fight then over THERE than over HERE" types:

ISIS and al-Queda never was an existential threat to America. Russia with its nukes has been so for seventy years.

The Ukrainians will not stop fighting until Russia is gone from pre-2014 Ukraine. With our without the West. With or without Zelensky, even. Why would they quit especially because the West is rightfully delighted to provide all the weaponry that the (before too long million man) Ukrainian military needs?

Kills Putin (still my prediction) and grinds the Rooskie economy to irrelevance and hastens our transition to Green Energy... what's not to like?

Whaddup with turning on your Homie Joe Biden? He had NOTHING to do with Putin's Folly!

Do you think that the presentation of the J6C doesn't put an enormous amount of polotical pressure on DOJ to indict Trump?

Do you really think Trump will escape accountability for his very public (and whatever additional private) crimes against America?

DO you really think that Merrick Garland is going to cut Trump/The Repugs any slack?

Okay...

Just like the life he's already lived, eh? Heh.

Exponentially so. It's one thing to defraud a company or a group of "students" like, for example, the now defunct illegal Trump University but quite another to commit conspiracy to defraud the citizens of the United States of America.

The committee is supplying a ton of evidence for those police officers and Americans already suing his treasonous ass. He wouldn't be the first traitor to America that died penniless. :)

As clarification, Eastman is also at the top of my (long) list. What I was trying to say there is that I agree with you and Elizabeth that these white supremacist extremist groups should get just as much focus as Trump and company:

As much attention as Donald gets for his part in allowing this to happen, it's very unfortunate if that's the only take away. In my opinion a much bigger issue is our government's failure to take domestic terrorists seriously. Proud boys, oath keepers and other "American" terrorist groups need to get just as much attention as Al Qaeda or ISIS.

~ JL

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In the limited time they have to present their "case" to the public, I'm hoping to see the committee find/make time to connect the dots from those extremist groups to those criminals in the Trump orbit connected to the premeditated violence they planned... the usual suspects:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/roger-stone-documentary-capitol-riot-trump-election/

Stone, like Eastman, decided he "should be on the pardon list" and was seeking (another) presidential pardon from Trump. Being that a pardon carries an imputation of guilt, if Stone believes he needs a pardon, who are we to question him?

Just today, Trump is out in public stating that if he becomes president again, he'll consider pardons for these white extremist criminals, i.e., obstruction of justice in attempt to buy silence. If Trump feels he needs to publicly attempt to elicit the silence of witnesses, who are we to question him?

Regardless what happens to Trump for criminal wrongdoing, I assure you he'll spend the majority of the remainder of his life buried in litigation seeking monetary restitution for the damages he's caused to multiple Americans... and that's not nothing. :)

Just like the life he's already lived, eh? Heh.

Of course, most important is putting away the terrorists. You're right, that's more important than any crackpot legal theorist. I guess i was thinking more narrowly within the group of people who most directly enabled Donald's fantasies that his election loss could be overturned by sowing chaos in the transition process.

so that's what that passage means. well alright then. still, based on the evidence i've seen, i agree with speak2 that it'd be more helpful to indict and prosecute all the lower hanging fruit, john eastman first and foremost.

First and foremost on my list are the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and those connected to the former President that are obviously connected to the aforementioned extremists... the ones who premeditated the violence that caused the needless deaths and injuries to hundreds of police officers and also the deaths and injuries to Americans who were duped by the con artist:

Donald Trump: A guy who believes that accumulation of wealth is the true sign of a man's worth, who easily takes both sides of any issue for political expediency while his true loyalty lies with himself, a confident con no matter which side he's taking, and the biggest threat to our country coming not from without, but from within, a guy who fancies himself a true patriot but who'd turn coat on America and her people in order to satisfy his insatiable greed and lust for power and title... a modern-day Benedict Arnold.

Benedict Donald.

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As for that guy -- since "We the People" of the United States of America don't generally prosecute former presidents -- I suspect he'll be handled via some such instrument as follows or some similar legislation:

United States Constitution

Amendment XIV

Section 3

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

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Regardless what happens to Trump for criminal wrongdoing, I assure you he'll spend the majority of the remainder of his life buried in litigation seeking monetary restitution for the damages he's caused to multiple Americans... and that's not nothing. :)

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/giuliani-law-license-suspension/1ae5ad6007c0ebfa/full.pdf

A DOJ indictment in this case would constitute a fool's errand.

The DOJ has already made a plethora of indictments on multiple counts in this case of premeditated conspiracy, and you can bet your brass there'll be many more.

As for a criminal indictment of the twice impeached former president, I simply answered the question regarding whether or not it would constitute double jeopardy. The Constitution makes it clear that it would not.

As for the concerns that the committee's focus is a waste of time that could be better used on white supremacist groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, keep in mind that this case is most definitely knee-deep in premeditated conspiracy committed by those specific domestic terrorists.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.229063/gov.uscourts.dcd.229063.401.1.pdf

Get real, girl!

I answered the question about double jeopardy. Did you perchance read more into it than that?

A DOJ indictment in this case would constitute a fool's errand.

Do Eastman and Giuliani still have their law licenses?

Get real, girl!

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

~ United States Constitution, Article I, Section 3

If the majority of his enablers: Cabinet Secretaries, Lawyers, Advisors, Senators, Reps, Family Members, Financial Backers. etc, were prosecuted, that would be enough.

Unfortunately, we're more likely to see the LOLPE prosecuted than that, leaving the rest of them to take another shot.

Bottom line, DOJ cannot help but to indict the bastard. Otherwise, why would it become public knowledge that DOJ has requested all the J6C testimony transcripts? Otherwise, why would subsequent DOJ inaction NOT invite such further misbehavior?

I don't see how DOJ can help but induct Trump and company.

But, in the real world, it's really hard to imagine that the DOJ will indict Trump for ... for what? ... conspiracy to subvert a presidential election? ... when they know that such a case will be extremely hard to win and chances are excellent that they will lose.

What I'm trying to say is that it is my opinion that the DOJ will most assuredly NOT indict Trump.

The American people will have to take care of Trump and ensure that he never holds public office again - that is the only sentence he will ever serve, assuming he is never elected again. Which I for one would not bet against.

The only thing these hearings are good for is that they are creating a public record of what happened in the lead up to the 2020 presidential election and its long aftermath for those who missed it while it was all happening right before our eyes. ;)