So kinda the same thing that you did when you joined the military? Isn’t what she said what everyone actually does when they sign up to serve — do their job and then decide when it’s time to recommit if you want to stick with it for life?

No, that's the right you are fantasizing about. It has little to do with actual laws passed or not dealing with abortion.

They want to be able to KILL the baby without ANY restrictions..

And yet, you can't demonstrate this is a problem. Why is that?

Unfettered and unrestricted baby killing.. AKA abortions.. THAT is what Democrats are fighting for..

No, just your weird fantasy again. Which after reading, I agree I need a beer...or two...

Michael Sussmann was previously employed by the powerful Perkins-Coie law firm
https://www.foxnews.com/media/michael-sussmann-trial-revelations-show-rank-and-file-agent-knew-trump-allegations-were-baloney

And, for Democrats...

The Hits Just Keep On Comin! :D

And yet, THAT is the right that Democrats are fighting for..

You are preaching to the choir here, Bashi..

*I* agree with you that saving the baby SHOULD be a priority..

But the sad thing is the Democrat Party that you support DOESN'T WANT that option..

They want to be able to KILL the baby without ANY restrictions..

Unfettered and unrestricted baby killing.. AKA abortions.. THAT is what Democrats are fighting for..

You don't agree with that..

JL doesn't agree with that..

*I* don't agree with that..

So, we are ALL in agreement that there SHOULD be restrictions on baby killing.. AKA Abortion..

Why are you trying to ruin the moment??

We are ALL in agreement..

THAT calls for a beer.. And a beer is so ordered.. :D

After more than a decade and a half I'm well familiar with your hysterical hypotheticals and the motivation behind them. This one happens to be sillier than most as medically, they don't perform abortions anywhere close to birth. They can induce labor and see what happens or do a full Hysterectomy, even if the mother's life is in danger.

It's called The Democrat Party Casey Anthony Law..

And only a MONSTER would support it..

And I know for a fact that no Weigantian is a monster..

You cannot prove that terrorists getting ahold of nuclear weapons is an actual problem..

Does that mean you don't support nuclear weapon restrictions??

:D

OF COURSE you support nuclear weapon restrictions.. Only a MONSTER would NOT support such restrictions..

But the fact that you are not wanting to answer is actually the answer I expected.. :D

Only a MONSTER would be OK with a woman having the right to kill her baby at the moment she is delivering that baby..

And, despite our differences, I know you are not a monster.. :D

So, like me and JL.. You DO support baby killing restrictions..

You are simply shy about stating where your line is... No harm, no foul.. :D

But you obviously DO have a line..

Which is basically agreeing with me that baby killing restrictions DO have a place in this country..

Prove it's an actual problem and I'll answer...

hogwash gives bacon. a woman has the right to be parted from an organism growing inside her at any time she wishes. if that organism can survive outside her body, it is entitled to that chance. if it can't, her choice still stands.

OK, so NOW you are back to the viability argument..

You are saying that, if a baby can survive outside the womb (22 weeks +/-) then you SUPPORT a law that restricts the woman from being able to kill that baby..

OK, fine.. We are in agreement that baby-killing restrictions SHOULD be in place..

We only differ as to WHEN those restrictions come into play..

I say 6 weeks.. You say 22 weeks..

I am fine with that distinction..

Common ground.. :D

We're talking about what the failed Democrat law WOULD ALLOW..

But I do support the choice of abortion up to birth if the mother's life is in danger or the fetus is likely to be born with extreme birth defects...

As do I..

So, do you support a woman's right to kill her baby right up to the point she is actually delivering that baby??

YES or NO...

Bullshit. That is the right wing talking point that completely ignores the medical reality of late term abortion. If this is an actual problem, please post the numbers of abortions done in the last two weeks of pregnancy...

But I do support the choice of abortion up to birth if the mother's life is in danger or the fetus is likely to be born with extreme birth defects...

New White House press secretary blasted for botching answer to inflation question: ‘Excruciating to watch'
'Big yikes," remarked The Heritage Foundation's John Cooper.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/white-house-press-secretary-botching-answer-inflation-question-excruciating-watch

"OK, let's brass some tacks here.."
-Metatron, SUPERNATURAL

Let's lay it out..

Do YOU believe that any Right Wing activist/politician/whatever is responsible for the Buffalo shooting??

Do YOU believe that any Right Wing activist/politician/whatever is responsible for the 6 Jan riot??

It's a simple YES/NO question...

hogwash gives bacon. a woman has the right to be parted from an organism growing inside her at any time she wishes. if that organism can survive outside her body, it is entitled to that chance. if it can't, her choice still stands.

This is an inherent contradiction..

If the baby can survive outside the body (IE on the way to delivery room) you seem to indicate that you support the woman STILL being able to kill that baby..

If that's NOT what you support, then congratulations..

You agree that baby killing restrictions SHOULD be in play..

Troo dat!!

As I pointed out to JL.. We're not talking about saving a viable baby..

We're talking about a law that allows the woman SOLE discretion to KILL her baby, viable or not, up to the point of actually delivering the baby..

JL has stated he is fine with that..

Are you stating the same??

Maybe we would be more open to your comments on how wrong it is to blame an entire party and their messaging for leading to the disgustingly violent actions of one person if you were not doing exactly that every single day!

For example...???

But we're not talking about that, are we?

We're talking about KILLING the baby.. Not trying to deliver the baby...

The failed legislation authorizes KILLING the baby..

Are you still fine with that???

Does not reading the actual bill count as giving assent?

(8) A prohibition on abortion at any point or points in time prior to fetal viability, including a prohibition or restriction on a particular abortion procedure.

(9) A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health.

I'm fine with that language...

Maybe we would be more open to your comments on how wrong it is to blame an entire party and their messaging for leading to the disgustingly violent actions of one person if you were not doing exactly that every single day! I mean, you couldn’t help yourself and by the end of your rant on how wrong it is to place the violence on the head of one party, you were claiming it was the Democrats’ messaging — not the Republicans — that led to the white 18yo shooting and killing 10 people in a mostly black neighborhood!!! Seriously, you cannot argue the point that you’ve been previously arguing against and think that no one notices!

The Senate failed to pass the measure, but it would have given health care providers the 'right' to provide abortions with few limitations
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/backlash-builds-after-democrats-vote-legalize-abortion-until-birth

Up to 80% of Americans, likely 100%, do NOT support baby-killing right up to the point of birth..

And, since no one here has claimed that they DO support baby-killing at birth, I am going to assume everyone here is part of that 80%(100%) of Americans..

Silence Gives Assent..

M'benga looks way too old in ST-SNW. In TOS, M'benga was much younger than McCoy... Based on what M'benga looks like in SNW, he would have been older than McCoy in TOS..

And it was Politifact who made the claim that Prager's claim was false.. Politifact is obligated to support that claim..

Prager listed more than a dozen incidents that fit his claim.. I added another one..

Where's Politifact's data to support their claim that Prager's claim is false??

No where to be found..

I really like the new uhura.

She seems a bit too young...

And I agree with Spock that her attitude of "Well lemme try this and see if I like it" rubs me the wrong way...

People would give their right.... arms... to serve in Starflet on the Enterprise..

She should step aside and give someone who really wants to be there a chance..

he did not.

And if PolitiFact had any facts to support the claim that Prager's claims was false, they would have provided those facts.

They did not..

Ergo, with NO FACTS to support that the claim is false, Prager's claim stands as valid..

Are there???

Show me.. :D

The bias of PolitiFact is well documented..

Well, there WAS the Jussie Smollett incident.. Oh wait.. That was ALSO a hoax...

And if you look at Prager's actual statement, it's definitely not a FALSE statement..

At WORST, Prager's statement is equivocal...

prager's illogic is mind-numbing. he's provided a list of 20 or so anecdotes where he claims racism was instigated by the purported victim, then uses these anecdotes to support a vast generalization he should never have made, and paint a fact-checker as politically motivated hacks for disputing that claim. there are between 2 and 3 thousand of these types of incidents a year, and it's not anyone else's responsibility to nitpick each and every one of them. if the anecdotes he cited are the only ones he can find, that makes about 1% of the total incidence.

if he had been able to support his claim factually, prager would have done so.

he did not.

JL

DeSantis Signs Bill That Bans Residential Protesting
https://realclearflorida.com/2022/05/17/desantis_signs_bill_that_bans_protesting_outside_a_persons_home_832719.html

Protesting outside of people's residencies is abhorrent and SHOULD be outlawed..

Was it a minor contributor or a major factor in the US’s inflation woes?
https://www.vox.com/23036340/biden-american-rescue-plan-inflation

If one wants to look for a "cult of economic failure", one needs look no further than the Democrat Party..

But how do you feel about the subject discussed??

Judge says no government agency should evaluate 'sincerity of another's religious beliefs'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-transgender-mandate-blocked-christian-appeal

And the Democrats record of losing continues.. :D

What's it going to take for Democrats to realize that their positions are fundamentally and morally WRONG for America and Americans??

What part of **NO** do Democrats not understand??

Well, then I guess it's a good thing I didn't quote a lot from the GG article, eh? :D

It annoys me, too, Michale. And, the longer the quote the less likely I am to read the article. Truth be known, I don't come here to read articles or long quotes posted by commenters. That's called wasting my time.

Accepted, of course.

Word....

PolitiFact is nothing more than a Democrat propaganda outlet...

But I highly recommend ya'all read it..

It's chock full of FACTS that show just how despicable the Democrats are when Crowd Based Mass Shootings such as these happen..

And THAT fits Democrats to a 'T'....

To the contrary, Gendron explicitly describes his contempt for political conservatism. In a section entitled “CONSERVATISM IS DEAD, THANK GOD,” he wrote: "Not a thing has been conserved other than corporate profits and the ever increasing wealth of the 1% that exploit the people for their own benefit. Conservatism is dead. Thank god. Now let us bury it and move on to something of worth.” In this hated of conservatism, he copied his hero Brenton Tarrant, who also wrote that “conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it,” adding about conservatives:

They don’t even BELIEVE in the race, they don’t even have the gall to say race exists. And above all they don’t even care if it does. It’s profit, and profit alone that drives them, all else is secondary. The notion of a racial future or destiny is as foreign to them as social responsibilities.

Yes, the facts CLEARLY prove that this scumbag was more closely aligned with DEMOCRATS than any other ideology..

Yet, somehow, this scumbag is a RIGHT WING extremist??

Yea... And Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist. :eyeroll:

Because, from all the facts, this scumbag shooter (I have a policy of never naming these scumbags) actually more closely aligns with DEMOCRATS than any other group..

Right up to the fascist racism he espouses...

This principle is not only a jurisprudential or constitutional one. It is also a rational one. Those who express ideas without advocating violence are not and cannot fairly be held responsible for those who decide to pick up arms in the name of those ideas, even if — as in the case of James Hodgkinson — we know for certain that the murderer listened closely to and was influenced by people like Rachel Maddow and Bernie Sanders. In such cases, we understand that it is madness, and deeply unfair, to exploit heinous murders to lay blame for the violence and killings on the doorsteps of our political adversaries.

But when a revolting murder spree is carried out in the name of right-wing ideas (or ideas perceived by the corporate press to be right-wing), everything changes — instantly and completely. In such cases, often before anything is known about the murderer — indeed, literally before the corpses are even removed from the ground where they lie — there is a coordinated effort to declare that anyone who holds any views in common with the murderer has “blood on their hands” and is essentially a co-conspirator in the massacre.

A very vivid and particularly gruesome display of this demented game was on display on Saturday night after a white 18-year-old, Payton Gendron, purposely targeted a part of Buffalo with a substantial black population. He entered a supermarket he knew was frequented largely by black customers and shot everyone he found, killing 10 people, most of them black. A lengthy, 180-page manifesto he left behind was filled with a wide variety of eclectic political views and ideologies.

The hypocrisy of Democrats is blatant and nauseating..

Would anyone here venture to comment on this hypocrisy???

Or does Silence Give Assent??

To be sure, there have been a large number of murders and other atrocities carried out in U.S. and the West generally in the name of right-wing ideologies, in the name of white supremacy, in the name of white nationalism. The difference, though, is glaring: when murders are carried out in the name of liberal ideology, there is a rational and restrained refusal to blame liberal pundits and politicians who advocate the ideology that animated those killings. Yet when killings are carried out in the name of right-wing ideologies despised by the corporate press and mainstream pundits (or ideologies that they falsely associate with conservatism), they instantly leap to lay blame at the feet of their conservative political opponents who, despite never having advocated or even implied the need for violence, are nonetheless accused of bearing guilt for the violence — often before anything is known about the killers or their motives.

Another example of Democrat hypocrisy...

THOUSANDS, if not TENS of thousands, of brutal murders and violent attacks have been attributed to hysterical DEMOCRAT extremists..

But no one holds MadCow or Pelosi or Waters or any other Democrat responsible for such violent acts...

Which is as it should be..

Yet, any violence from Right Wing extremists is IMMEDIALY used to paint the entire Right....

Hypocrisy. It's not a bug in Democrat programming. It's a feature.

The Demented - and Selective - Game of Instantly Blaming Political Opponents For Mass Shootings

All ideologies spawn psychopaths who kill innocents in its name. Yet only some are blamed for their violent adherents: by opportunists cravenly exploiting corpses while they still lie on the ground.

At a softball field in a Washington, DC suburb on June 14, 2017, a lone gunman used a rifle to indiscriminately spray bullets at members of the House GOP who had gathered for their usual Saturday morning practice for an upcoming charity game. The then-House Majority Whip, Rep. Steven Scalise (R-LA), was shot in the hip while standing on second base and almost died, spending six weeks in the hospital and undergoing multiple surgeries. Four other people were shot, including two members of the Capitol Police who were part of Scalise's security detail, a GOP staffer, and a Tyson Foods lobbyist. “He was hunting us at that point,” Rep. Mike Bishop (R-MI) said of the shooter, who attempted to murder as many people as he could while standing with his rifle behind the dugout.

The shooter died after engaging the police in a shootout. He was James T. Hodgkinson, a 66-year-old hard-core Democrat who — less than six months into the Trump presidency — had sought to kill GOP lawmakers based on his belief that Republicans were corrupt traitors, fascists, and Kremlin agents. The writings he left behind permitted little doubt that he was driven to kill by the relentless messaging he heard from his favorite cable host, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, and other virulently anti-Trump pundits, about the evils of the GOP. Indeed, immediately after arriving at the softball field, he asked several witnesses whether the people gathered "were Republicans or Democrats.”
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-demented-and-selective-game-of?s=r

Those who seek political benefit from tragedies are the lowest of the low..

And yes, I count myself amongst that group as my hands are not at all clean as well...

In other words, when things go bad for Democrats, Weigantians are less inclined to comment..

The worse things are, the less comments here in Weigantia..

And I haven't seen such a large drop in comments here in Weigantia since the Uber Shellacking of Democrats in 2010.

Yes.. I know what happens when I make an assumption..

I make an ASS out of U... And UMPTION.. :D

Please accept that as the tongue-in-cheek good-natured ribbing it was intent as... :D

Elon Musk slams Biden: 'The real president is whoever controls the teleprompter'

Musk also warned that if the US ignores the 'obvious' cause of inflation, it could end up like Venezuela
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/elon-musk-biden-real-president-teleprompter

The facts are unequivocal..

Biden is being handled...

No pressure here, Dawg.

I think, between me and Russ, we can gitcha on the straight and narrow, LEO wise.. :D

No. D'ya think just because Weigantia doesn't reply to your every comment means that we agree with you?

Now WHY would I think that?!?

I mean, it's not as if DEMOCRATS have made an ENTIRE COTTAGE INDUSTRY of SILENCE GIVES ASSENT or SILENCE GIVES CONSENT or SILENCE IS VIOLENCE eh??

Oh.. Wait.. Democrats HAVE stated such concepts completely, unabashedly and unequivocally...

So, yea... Ya'all are Democrats and ya'all are silent..

So, according to Democrat lore, that means you agree with me.. :D

THAT would be an incorrect assumption. And USAF you know what "ass-u-me" means, amirite?

Yes.. I know what happens when I make an assumption..

I make an ASS out of U... And UMPTION.. :D

Really??

So, if I say, "Yer such a guy!!" is that bullying?? Or is it factually accurate??

Episode 2 reminded me a bit of close encounters of the third kind, in a number of ways. Solid episode, a bit slow in developing, but the new uhura is smokin' hot.

This episode was a bit to heavy on characterization and feelings for my taste.. Less Trek, more Dr Phil..

But it's not unexpected so I am not too worried..

The best thing about Trek pre-Discovery is that they didn't sacrifice the story, the action, the drama to make way for feelings..

I mean, there was ACTUALLY a line in Discovery where Hobert says, "We have to talk about these feelings!!" :eyeroll:

But, as I said.. I am not too worried.. These days, there always is the backstory and characterization... But the problem develops when the backstory and the characterization BECOMES the story..

Like they did with Tal and Gray in Discovery.. That is an example of how NOT to do it..

What they did with Pike in Episode 1 of ST-SNW was perfect.. A little bit of backstory to show why he is where he is and then... move on...

We'll see which way SNW goes..

I did like how the encounter with the shepherds went.. All too often in sci-fi these days, there is an effort to 'Weird Out' aliens.. Almost like a contest to see how far out and different the aliens can be made..

Again, Discovery with their 'Species 10' is a prime example of how this is done badly...

It was refreshing to see aliens with 2 eyes a mouth, a nose and could talk like normal.. "people"...

In summary... Ep 1 was a 10.. Ep 2 was an 8..

It sure looks like Sussmann was simply saying that he, personally, was wanting to talk to the FBI and was not speaking as an attorney on behalf of any client.

Except all the evidence that Durham has collected PROVE that Sussmann was working for clients at the time..

Joffe, who manipulated the data and the Clinton campaign..

Sussmann is going down..

The only question is who he is going to drag down with him..

No pressure here, Dawg.

You'll make me a better Libtard, me pretty!

That I pointed out the fallacy of BLM stats and got canceled link you sent me is something I'm digging in to. You're still a bleepidly bleep (yup, me too, right? :D)but stuff like this makes me glad I metcha!

You and I are gonna a productive conversation about law enforcement in Murica, K?

See you in the AM.

No need to go through my Ukraine stuff. I'ma leave you the info tomorrow that you need to have to know Joe is not responsible in the least for Putin's folly. It had nothing to do with him -- you'll see -- and you'll cut him some slack once I Caddysplain things to you.

Really, Joe has played this sorry assed stupid affair as well as any President would have. And don't get me going on how Trump would have rolled over!

[113] Michale wrote:

Can I assume from the lack of comments that ya'all are simply uber-discouraged that Democrats are taking hit after hit after hit after hit and there doesn't seem to be a bottom.

No. D'ya think just because Weigantia doesn't reply to your every comment means that we agree with you?

THAT would be an incorrect assumption. And USAF you know what "ass-u-me" means, amirite?

Episode 2 reminded me a bit of close encounters of the third kind, in a number of ways. Solid episode, a bit slow in developing, but the new uhura is smokin' hot.

BAKE THE PASTRIES!