@russ,
I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to address each case individually. I have done a fair amount of research on these cases too, and I have to tell you some of those accounts strain credulity, especially Eric Garner and George Floyd. Whatever the bias of the media culture surrounding all these cases, you're asking me not to believe my own eyes. For most lay people that's a tough ask.

JL,

I appreciate your comments, and I completely understand your views regarding Garner’s and Floyd’s deaths. You are only half right when you said I was asking you not to believe your own eyes — I am asking you to reconsider the limits of what your eyes are able to tell you. It’s not surprising that the Garner and Floyd accounts that I provided would be the hardest to accept. You knew before you watched the first frame of each video what the outcome for both men would be — death.

But in both cases, the medical examiner’s determined that the police’s actions played only a contributing role in the cause of death…while both men’s pre-existing conditions played larger roles. In Garner’s death, the media tried to say he died after being placed in an “illegal choke hold” — which, typically, would be called “strangulation”. But since the ME made it very clear that Garner’s body showed no signs of strangulation — crushed trachea or larynx. Bruising on the side of the neck — consistent with having been put in a headlock. No one dies from a headlock. You know this to be true. Yet because you cannot witness diabetes, heart disease, or high blood pressure kill someone in real time; it is why you are willing to believe that the police could killed Garner with a headlock.

The same was true with George Floyd. His death was made even more difficult to watch because he was not actively resisting at any point of the video. Chauvin’s coldness and his refusal to show any consideration to Floyd’s pleas for help makes it easy to want to find him guilty for Floyd’s death… so much so that we are willing to believe that a completely safe restraint that has been used for years, by law enforcement all over the world, could suddenly be responsible for Floyd’s death. No one can point to how Chauvin’s actions killed Floyd. Floyd had one artery that was 90% clogged and two others that were at 75% clogged.

In the prosecutor’s closing arguments in the Floyd case, the jury was asked to trust only their eyes when determining what caused Floyd’s death…they should ignore anything they heard said during the trial that differed from what they saw. Ignore medical facts if it doesn’t jive with what you believe you saw. That is what you expect from a defense attorney, maybe; but NOT from prosecutors!

This is more my speed ... in fact, you could say it's my theme song! :)

The CW Sunday Night Music Festival and Dance Party will resume this Sunday night, even if it kills me ...

In that case, congratulations on your continued success.

Now that you know it WAS music and from Sunday night did you click the links? I've been humming the chorus since Friday.

JL

I actually saw your [172] but, I didn't realize it was from Sunday (Night) AND you gave no clue it had anything to do with music, so ... I didn't click on the links.

CAN YOU HEAR ME!?

Very nice - it needed to be said.

I have nothing against foul language, per se. I utter worse than Don writes in here but, as a rule, no one is ever around to hear it. And, I certainly wouldn't tap it out here just for sake of tapping out foul language, as Don has done in this thread and not for the first time, always coming from a place of mean-spiritedness.

Bla, bla bla, your standard boiler plate. Boring.

I do not fail due to lack of self control.

OK, maybe you fail for other reasons...

Self control is still a problem as evidenced by your most recent reply...

Never or not in the last few decades like you mentioned earlier?

You think it is not a binary choice?

Yes. It's what I said.

Do you also think the sun rises in the west?

Has no relevance...

I provided an explanation of why your plan has not and will not work and all you offer is another dodge completely ignoring my argument and trying to deflect with some bullshit statement?

And I disagreed. That is not bullshit, it is a counter argument. The vitriol is all you, and is very counter productive to what you are trying to achieve. Though vaguely humorous to me...

Then you pretend that I did not explain how we know why the write-in votes are cast again.

Again I disagree. Then provided back up to my argument by pointing out the large amount of tossed votes and the wide swings to which they vary.

But they agree with me it is a problem and not you that thinks it is not.

And where did I say it was not a problem?

Whether they think it is the most important problem or not they still could want to do something about it if they could.

But would they trade problems they see as more important to them to do so?

No, you said that I said it was the problem from which all problems stem. I corrected you and again provided what I say about big money corrupting our political process.

It was far from the first time I have asked you this question and previous answers were different.

Another lie by you. And you double down on it.

Nope, just poor memory on your side.

No. That is why I explain my positions instead of avoiding rational discussions using lies and dodges.

And I reply rationally without dodges but are accused otherwise.

Losing my shit?

Yup.

What, I just popped off without any provocation?

No you pop off when anyone disagrees with you and your counter arguments are not found convincing.

Fuck you.

And that is why you fail and will always fail. You lack self control.

Did my music selection from last night get lost in all the excitement?

FUCK OFF SHITBAG.

Not a lie, a figure of speech. Just like crack geographer, somebody trying hard not to take your potty mouth tendencies personally.

JL

Kyle Rittenhouse's acquittal was probably the right decision, but that doesn't mean he was justified putting himself in a position where acquittal for homicide was necessary. If citizen activism results in having to kill somebody, you're probably not doing it right.

JL

It is not nonsense and one of the larger reasons you fail. Why should CW support your foul mouth? Just because you think OD is a good idea? Reality-based is you are not going to get support because your public relations is really, really bad so why cover you?

Passing legislation to limit big money will not work. It has not worked in the many times it has been tried for decades.

Quite a few campaign finance reform bills have passed. Just because it hasn't worked in the recent past does not mean could not work in the future.

The only way to pass such legislation is to first replace the big money legislators with small donor legislators that are not controlled by the big money interests.

Can you back up that all legislators in congress are "big money"? Personally I think it is much more complex and nuanced than a binary choice...

One Demand is not on the ballot.

Yes it is.

No it's not. See your local ballot. Measures and initiatives are examples of voting directly on policy.

In every state (most of them) where citizens can cast a write-in ballot even if it will not be counted toward electing a candidate in the current election.

Write-in votes not counted for electing candidates are still counted as a vote cast and will achieve the purpose of casting those votes when matched with citizens signed up to participate in One Demand.

Beyond the Trump/Brexit problem, how do you know a write in is supporting you and not just someones brother and law? Half a million rejected votes in 2020 with a 200,000 vote swing between 2016 and 2020. There would have to be quite a few for OD to even be a blip big enough for anyone to notice. Seems like an unlikely long shot...

And polls consistently show 80% of citizens agree with that.

That does not mean 80% of the population would agree with OD. It means 80% view it as a problem, not the one problem to rule them all, and in politics bind them...

I do not think that big money is the problem from which all other problems stem.

And yet you have admitted such in previous discussions. Change your mind?

As to the rest, you do not get to decide what is rational discussion or what is and is not debunked. I would think the majority here do not find much of your discussion rational. Are they wrong purely because you say so? Life does not work like that. Losing your shit and tossing insults just make you look petty and not someone who should be supported...

I don't give a flying fuck how bad I look because I don't look bad.

To yourself no doubt but to others? Just using "flying fuck" even if they agree with you will turn off many (Liz as a local example.) Remember, it is common to do some quick search research on people. Someone who does not know you but may be interested in supporting OD finds this thread, they might be completely turned off by your posts.

Heh... even better example:

ANOTHER OUTRIGHT FUCKING LIE.

FUCK OFF SHITBAG.

Do you really think Ralph Nader's staff would read this and think, this is someone we should work with or promote?

Public relations 101. Don't do that. Ever.

No one wants to work with someone who loses their shit the second a discussion does not go their way.

Explain how voting for big money candidates will get the big money out of politics when that hasn't worked for decades.

By passing legislation limiting "big money", you know the mechanics of how our democracy actually works. Hillary Clinton was the biggest of big money candidates but voted for every campaign finance reform law that came before her and sponsored a few herself. You need to get support from existing and future politicians. Then you need to compromise to get enough votes to pass your solution.

Explain how using the basic principle of democracy that if politicians don't do what we want that we do not vote for them will not work which would be explaining why democracy will not work.

The most basic answer is that there is a difference between high concept democracy and the actual mechanics of how our specific democracy works. Your idea may be high concept democracy but in the system as set up by the constitution it's advocacy. It's advocating for how one votes in a democracy. OD is not on the ballot, OD is advocating who I vote for (should you ever find a candidate to advocate for). Beyond that you seem to be the only one who thinks "big money" is the overarching problem to which all others stem. I don't think that. It's a problem among many and not the highest on my list. If a candidate matches your $200 limit it is not an automatic vote for me, it would depend on the rest of the platform whether I could support that candidate. I am also not going to throw away my vote in protest as between Trump and Brexit that has proven to move things way too far in the other direction...

Now, it's entirely reasonable to expect that left-wing falls short of completely accuracty but these two accounts are so off the mark as to really shake my confidence.

"I know, right!?"
-Felix, WRECK IT RALPH

That's why I don't put much stock in Beau's YOUTUBE videos that deal w/ LEO issues..

He seems to take the media reports on LEO activities at face value..

And it's clear for someone who has been there and done that, it's nearly 100% assured that any Media reporting of LEO involved incidents are A> Factually not accurate and 2> Completely and utterly biased against cops..

While Rittenhouse was defending himself and probably was properly acquitted, Shirley you'll agree that he was guilty of bad judgment for going there in the first place.

Yes, there is an argument to be made for Rittenhouse shouldn't have been armed at a violent protest.. I wouldn't call it "bad judgement" though.. I honestly believe that KR was there to be a good citizen and help out.. And given the violence of past BLM terrorism and riots, arming oneself is a logical and rational precaution..

So while I see your side of the argument and acknowledge it DOES have merit, the other side of the argument is more compelling..

But he WAS armed and it WAS legal...

That being the case, Rittenhouse's actions were completely justified.. The jury came back with the ONLY logical verdict..

Justice was served..

And this suggests that Officer Chavin was technically not guilty of killing Mr. Floyd and was therefore convicted. I'd argue it was for demonstrating Rittenhouse level bad judgement (move the knee a little bit to chill out the crowd, hello?)

The minute a cop starts compromising the safety of himself and his partners to appease an angry mob is the minute the cop loses control of the situation..

Floyd was killed by the 4x lethal limits of meth and fentynal he ingested.. His failure to follow the lawful orders of police simply hastened his end..

The coroner's report stated specifically that, if Floyd had been found dead at this home the official cause of death would have been Drug Overdose..

Um,hey...is it at least noon where ever it is you've decided to hit the bottle?

Yeah, and God bless you, too! Still wonder what [39] is about.

Explain how voting for big money candidates will get the big money out of politics when that hasn't worked for decades.

It won't...why should it? Who claims otherwise? Noone argues about the sky being blue, either.

Explain how using the basic principle of democracy that if politicians don't do what we want that we do not vote for them will not work which would be explaining why democracy will not work.

Um, is there a question in here? What do you want to know?

And this suggests that Officer Chavin was technically not guilty of killing Mr. Floyd and was therefore convicted. I'd argue it was for demonstrating Rittenhouse level bad judgement (move the knee a little bit to chill out the crowd, hello?)

Then stop being one.

Do not comment again on anything until you answer comment 39 with rational discussion.

Has dictating the actions of others on this board ever worked? The problem with "rational discussion" with you is your definition of rational discussion does not match the rest of the worlds definition...

While Rittenhouse was defending himself and probably was properly acquitted, Shirley you'll agree that he was guilty of bad judgment for going there in the first place.

Being a Lefty I naturally regard much of right-wing media as not reality based and willing to say whatever it takes to get people riled up, as people are easier to fool when they're angry or afraid. And I look down on the poor bastards as misinformed.

Now, it's entirely reasonable to expect that left-wing falls short of completely accuracty but these two accounts are so off the mark as to really shake my confidence.

What does my childhood have to do with anything??

Given your opinions on Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown and George Floyd...

I am curious as to your thoughts on Kyle Rittenhouse..

Now Disney is more exposed about it's childhood destroying antics...

You've pissed off the Warden Of Weigantia!!!

"Ooooo you in trouble now!!"

If you can't act decently and drop your extremely foul and gratutitous language then please just LEAVE!

Says the guy who can't even provide specifics of what questions he wants answered... :D

I think someone needs a nap.... :^/

What part of comment #39 requires an explanation..

Please provide specifics and I will be happy to explain it to you... :D

Courtney Stodden says writing their memoir 'shined a light on’ alleged ‘grooming' that led to marriage at 16
Stodden and Doug Hutchison divorced after nine years of marriage in 2020

Stodden, who identifies as non-binary and uses they/them pronouns, was 16 years old when they married Doug Hutchison in 2011.

"I am a really empathetic, sensitive person, and I always have been."
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/courtney-stodden-memoir-marriage-divorce-bullying

This moron expects others to bow to her whacked out version of pronouns, but she can't even follow her own rules herself...

This kind of train wreck is what happens when moron Democrats cater to the whims of the utterly moronic...

Which explains perfectly why the Democrat Party is failing so completely and utterly...

Stodden is the quintessential Democrat... Utterly and completely a moron...

Five liberal media outlets run by billionaires that have criticized Elon Musk's attempted Twitter purchase

Musk offered to buy Twitter for $43 billion and take it private
https://www.foxnews.com/media/liberal-media-organizations-run-by-billionaires

The problem as I see it is, once again, Democrats changing definitions to fit their agenda..

In the here and now, Democrats' definition of free speech is All speech that DEMOCRATS approve of..

Hate speech and speech one does not like is the VERY REASON why the First Amendment exists here in the US...

Democrats have forgotten that...

Democrats can’t have this and other truths spread freely, they can’t have jokes told that belittle sacred cows on the left, they can’t be seen as anything other than magnanimous, which they decidedly are not. Anyone who dares rock that boat is a threat to what they insist the world must be. They aren’t in the business of convincing people, they are in the business of silencing dissent.

Elon Musk threatens that. So much so that media outlets are applauding Saudi Arabia’s government, a stakeholder in Twitter, for objecting to Musk’s offer. After years of attacking Saudi Arabia for the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, and with a history of homophobia (try being gay there), they’re now heroes to the left because they believe in nothing but their own power, and us being able to express ourselves freely is a threat to that power.

That kind of tells you everything you need to know about Democrats today, doesn’t it?

It DOES tell us everything we need to know about the Democrat Party...

It does indeed...

So the question becomes... WHY would anyone *CHOOSE* to be a Democrat??

People with confidence in their beliefs, and facts on their side, don’t do everything possible to prevent contrary opinions from being heard. Democrats are terrified that Elon Musk has publicly stated his belief that people, even and especially people with unpopular opinions or thoughts contrary to the establishment, should be free to express them online. This terrifies the left.

No where is this sentiment proven so valid as here in Weigantia where calls to silence me are prevalent...

If ya'all are so comfortable in your facts and your reality, why is there such a desire on ya'all's part to silence dissenting facts???

Fascists call for the silence of opposing opinions..

Pure and simple...

Free Speech Is A Threat To Democrats

To hear liberals talk about our Founding Fathers you’d think they were nothing but a bunch of racist, sexist Neanderthals who only stopped raping and murdering anyone not white long enough to write some words conservatives revere for their awfulness. These evil monsters existed to oppress trans people and stole everything they had from black people somehow. Change just a few of a adjectives and you’re got yourself a pretty accurate description of the modern Democrat Party.

Democrats have always been what they accuse us of being. Which party contains the “sexists” who used the full power of their party’s machine, and eventually the White House and Presidency, to quell “bimbo eruptions”? Which party consists for people who call Clarence Thomas and Tim Scott “Uncle Toms”? Which party, when not smearing him, ignores the existence of Ric Grenell, the first openly gay member of any Presidential Cabinet?

You know the answers to those questions and all the rest like them.
https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2022/04/17/free-speech-is-a-threat-to-democrats-n2605959

If Free Speech is a threat to the Democrat Party (which it is)... Then that tells you all you need to know about the validity of the Democrat Party..

Democrat Party = Anti America Party

The facts are clear, numerous and conclusive..

Cori Bush surpasses $300K spent on private security as she continues calls to defund the police

Bush's campaign dropped another $70,000 in personal security during the first quarter of 2022
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cori-bush-surpasses-300k-spent-private-security-she-continues-calls-defund-police

How ya'all can defend this with yer silence is simply beyond me...

Twitter's Chickens Come Home to Roost
The Great Elon Musk panic of 2022 is revealing a big fat boatload of blue-check hypocrites

In every newsroom I’ve ever been around, there’s always one sad hack who’s hated by other reporters but hangs on to a job because he whispers things to management and is good at writing pro-war editorials or fawning profiles of Ari Fleischer or Idi Amin or other such distasteful media tasks. Even that person would never have been willing to publicly say something as gross as, “For democracy to survive, it needs more censorship”! A professional journalist who opposed free speech was not long ago considered a logical impossibility, because the whole idea of a free press depended upon the absolute right to be an unpopular pain in the ass.

Things are different now, of course, because the bulk of journalists no longer see themselves as outsiders who challenge official pieties, but rather as people who live inside the rope-lines and defend those pieties. I’m guessing this latest news is arousing special horror because the current version of Twitter is the professional journalist’s idea of Utopia: a place where Donald Trump doesn’t exist, everyone with unorthodox thoughts is warning-labeled (“age-restricted” content seems to be a popular recent scam), and the Current Thing is constantly hyped to the moronic max. The site used to be fun, funny, and a great tool for exchanging information. Now it feels like what the world would be if the eight most vile people in Brooklyn were put in charge of all human life, a giant, hyper-pretentious Thought-Starbucks.

My blue-checked friends in media worked very hard to create this thriving intellectual paradise, so of course they’re devastated to imagine that a single rich person could even try to walk in and upend the project. Couldn’t Musk just leave Twitter in the hands of responsible, speech-protecting shareholders like Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal?
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/twitters-chickens-come-home-to-roost?s=r

It's HILARIOUS to see the hysterical Democrat Titteratti go full on hypocritical vapor-lock Orwellian... :D

"Democracy requires MORE censorship"

Only a DEMOCRAT could come up with such a hypocritically Orwellian message.. :^/

Sadly, this is ya'all's Democrat Party in the here and now..

How sad it must be for ya'all to be tied to such anti-America sentiment, eh? :^/

Whatever the bias of the media culture surrounding all these cases, you're asking me not to believe my own eyes. For most lay people that's a tough ask.

That's because ALL lay people are ignorant of the facts and get their information from the media..

And, as Russ has proven beyond ANY doubt, the media is bias'ed against cops.

Put it another way.. Assume for the moment that you are completely ignorant of the incidents as described by the anti-Cop media and *ALL* of your knowledge about the incidents is SOLELY from Russ' dissertations on the incidents.

What would your opinion of those incidents be???

You see the point..

If you look SOLELY at the biased media, your opinion is one way..

If you look at the ACTUAL FACTS, then your opinion is the diametric opposite..

As to the Anti-Groomer law... You and Russ and I will simply have to agree to disagree.. Ya'all are of a younger generation and ideology where it's "proper" that children are wards of the government and are not permitted to have a normal child hood..

I am of an older generation where PARENTS, not Party, are the center of a child's world until they are at least 10-12 years old.

I see now that there can be no agreement on forcing sexual activities and gender bending on children.. Ya'all think it's perfectly fine.. I think it's heinous..

It's like baby-killing.. I think it's heinous and gross and unacceptable.. Ya'all are perfectly OK with it..

Agreeing to disagree is the only recourse..

Excellent synopsis of the LEO incidents... Well done..

Your call for specifics was answered and provided and you just keep repeating the same asshole bullshit asking for what was already provided.

And your claim that specifics have been provided with NO FACTS to support your claim is annoying..

Either provide the specifics you CLAIM you want or quit whining that no one provides you specifics..

If you want specific answers, you need to provide specific questions..

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@don,
Don't care, but good luck with that.

@m,
Just because a child is young doesn't mean they're ignorant of gender or anatomy. There are plenty of age appropriate ways to explain to them the existence of people who aren't typical boys or girls, if they ask. Because they DO ask, and they're entitled to be answered honestly, even if the person they ask isn't their parents. If a parent doesn't want their child to be part of secular society, that's what religious school or homeschooling are for.
JL

But do YOU want a school person INITIATING sexually explicit contact or conversation with your 4 yr old child??

But this law has absolutely NOTHING to do with what you are suggesting. There are already criminal statutes that can be used against anyone who would initiate sexually explicit contact with a child. This law provides a way for parents to make money accusing teachers of saying things, that while not considered criminal by definition, that THEY feel is inappropriate.

All this law does is encourage parents to file lawsuits over anything they consider inappropriate for a teacher to say to their child. It is highly convenient that the law fails to define how we are to determine what language is and is not “appropriate” ; thus encouraging frivolous lawsuits.

yes, most LEO's are good people and aren't out to kill anyone.

I am pretty sure there is a compliment in there somewhere. If I said “Yes, most teachers are good people and aren’t out to rape children,” how would that comment make you feel? Maybe because when we use “most” it suggests that there are still a significant percentage that do want to commit such disgusting acts of violence? The truth is that when compared to the total number people employed as teachers/law enforcement, the number that do commit such heinous acts is so low that they cannot be viewed as anything more than an outlier.

The liberal media in this country has a responsibility to question our governments’ actions to make sure they are not abusing their authority. Sadly, reporting that abuse has occurred (especially in cases where race supposedly plays a factor) has proven to be a huge financial boom for media organizations.

Media prior to 2020 loved to say that our country was experiencing “an epidemic of police violence against Black Americans”. It wasn’t until our country experienced a true epidemic — and we saw 10x the deaths from the disease in a single day compared to the total of Officer related deaths over a 5 yr period — did we see how grossly misleading such statements are!

Every week, police in this country respond to millions of calls for service without incident. The numbers do not support the claim that the police are out of control…just the opposite, actually.

Last year, a study was conducted on the Seattle Police Department. The findings were that Blacks was 7x more likely to have a “use of force” used against them than Whites were. Most people hear that and believe it shows just how racist the police are. But no one bothers to really look at why that is. They assume that the officers involved target Blacks to rough them up. But the data does not support that.

When someone reports a crime that they witnessed, a description of the suspect is one of the first bits of info that is requested. When Blacks complain of being stopped by police and questioned for no reason; that is rarely the case! If we had a bunch of racist cops always targeting Blacks, then you would expect cops stopping and questioning Black males on calls where the suspect info says they are looking for a White male. That doesn’t happen.

When I was a 911 call receiver, I had a call come in from an extremely angry Black man complaining that he’d been stopped and accused of being a rapist simply because he was Black. It sounded like he was almost in tears as he described randomly being stopped walking down the street. There were lots of whites walking around, but the police didn’t stop any of them…just him he told me. When he told me where this encounter took place, I asked him if he was between 20 -25 yo? Was he 6’ to 6’2” in height? Did he weigh between 185lbs to 215lbs? Did he have a shaved head? Did he have a goatee? Was he muscular/good shape physically? Was he wearing a white t-shirt and black workout pants or sweats? Finally I asked him if he had red hi-tops on? He said yes to every question that I asked. I asked him if he was aware that a young woman had reported being sexually assaulted one block away for him ten minutes before he had been stopped by police — and did he now understand given the description she gave why he had been stopped and questioned by the officers? I told him that the victim had cleared him as not being her attacker when a patrol car drove her by where he was being held by the police. He told me that he no longer wished to file a complaint against the officers.

People have joked that all people of any given race look alike; but that’s not true. It’s much more true that people from any race sound like they look alike when people are asked to describe their physical appearance.

Officers often have no say as to whether a “use of force” is required. When pulling over an occupied vehicle that has been reported stolen, officers will conduct what is called a “felony stop” — the department’s procedures call for the officers to have their guns drawn (the “use of force”) and then, one at a time, instructing each occupant out of the vehicle, lying face down with their hands behind their heads…regardless of race, gender, or age of the occupant. Consider this example:

An Associate Pastor calls the police early one Saturday morning reporting that the church’s new 12 person van was stolen from the church’s parking lot. An officer takes a stolen vehicle report and enters it into the system.

Cut to around 11 pm that night: the “stolen” van is stopped by police in Atlanta. They were coming back from Six Flags, the van filled with tired teenagers. Each person in the van was ordered out of the van at gunpoint — one at a time — ordered to lay facedown with their hands behind their heads, then were handcuffed and taken into custody. It seems that new Youth Pastor the church hired was not fully informed of how strict the church’s policy on filling out the proper forms when needing to use a van was. At his previous church, if no one had reserved a van prior to needing it, he could use the van as needed. Once the Associate Pastor was contacted, everyone was released and no charges filed.

If the van belonged to a Black church and it was 11 Black teens and one Black youth pastor that got pulled over at gun point. In Seattle, every officer is required to fill out a “use of force” report identifying any person they used force with. If four officers were called out to help with the felony stop on that many individuals, then the department would have 48 (4 officers X 12 uses of force on 12 occupants) uses of force against Black citizens from that one call. That is 48 uses of force that the officers were required to carry out where the race of the occupant did not play a factor at all!

When we say, “When encountering the police, Blacks are 7x more likely to experience a use of force against them than Whites” we often leave out that that % is based on the total overall population of the city and what percentage of the population Blacks make up. And we definitely leave off that their non-compliance is what will almost always lead to a use of force against them.

If Blacks fear that they are going to be hurt by the police after being told countless times that they are 7x more like to have force used against them, what if that fear is what causes them not comply?

When the officer gives a lawful command to a person and the person refuses to comply with the command; they have committed a crime (obstruction or resisting arrest). The officer is then authorized to use force to compel compliance.

In the Seattle report, it appears that the police’s uses of force against Blacks were the result of 1) the department’s policy requiring it based on the type of crime involved, and 2) failure to comply to a lawful command given.

The Breonna Taylor case was the first one that I realized that the WAPO (they broke the story) wasn’t reporting the story immediately after it had occurred. Instead, they reported on it only AFTER the boyfriend had filed a lawsuit against the department. In fact, the entire article came solely from info contained in the attorney’s narrative seeking millions in damage. Even the police’s comments quoted in the article did not actually come directly from the police. They were quotes that the lawsuit claimed the police had made. Once a lawsuit is filed, police departments will not comment on the case.

Some of the cases WAPO has reported on occurred months earlier, but they only got the publicity once the lawsuit was filed. I hope that the attorney’s involved are giving the reporters a percentage of the settlements, because they truly deserve it!

For the last decade, every year less than 4% of law enforcement agencies report even a single officer-involved shooting. Our police are extremely well trained in when deadly force is needed and appropriate. The reason that so few officers are prosecuted in officer-involved shootings is not because of corruption in the department, but is much more likely because our officers are so well trained.

George Floyd’s death was horrible to watch. But the trial of Officer Chauvin was almost as disturbing. It was shocking to see the prosecution not only ignore their own medical examiner’s autopsy findings; but to bring on multiple “experts” to discredit the prosecution’s own witness’ autopsy findings that will surely damage the credibility of the ME’s office henceforth. The prosecution chose to ignore the medical evidence that showed cardiopulmonary arrest (heart disease) was the cause of death for George Floyd — telling the jury to trust their eyes to determine what/who killed Floyd. You know, because our eyes can determine “cause of death” far better than the Medical Examiner who conducted the autopsy.

The knee to neck restraint puts pressure on a suspect’s neck to control the suspect’s movement — the officer only needs to apply the minimal pressure necessary to keep the suspect from attempting to move. “Control the head and you control the body’s movement” is wisdom we’ve used in taming large animals to be used as transportation; and in training athletes in sports like wrestling, rugby, and football. It truly is a balancing act when applied properly. Too little pressure and the suspect is able to stand up; too much pressure and the officer will fall forward and lose control of the suspect. Once the suspect has been handcuffed, the officer no long needs to apply pressure and will just place his knee on the back of the neck so pressure can be applied if the suspect attempts to stand up.

The media still says Floyd was killed by Chauvin’s knee pressing on the back of his neck for almost 10 minutes. The prosecution’s expert identified only one 15 second section of the video of Officer Chauvin where it was clear that he was applying pressure to Floyd’s neck instead of his knee just being in contact with Floyd’s neck. Much of the video shows Chauvin sitting with his full weight on his heels…his knee merely resting on Floyd’s neck.
If you pay attention to how the prosecution worded their questions to their experts, they are always asked assuming that Chauvin was applying full pressure on Floyd’s neck.

The ME noted that there was no bruising or even abrasions to the back of Floyd’s neck; which you’d expect to find if pressure had been applied for almost 10 minutes. The ME testified that even if the officer’s knee had been pressing on the back of the neck the entire time, there was nothing to suggest it would cause a person to die. It doesn’t cut off the person’s airway (strangulation), not does it entirely cut off blood flow to the brain — if it cuts it off even a little has never been demonstrated. Personally, I wish Chauvin’s attorney would have done his closing arguments with an officer pressing a knee to his neck in the same manner that Chauvin had done it to George Floyd to demonstrate that it is a very safe technique to keep a person in custody from standing. Thanks to this case, police departments across the country have given in to the public’s outrage and ignorance — no longer allowing officers to use the knee to neck technique…and losing one of the safest tools in the police’s practices for restraining a person.

Officer Chauvin was guilty of negligence in not monitoring a detained person in his custody. When the officers first approached Floyd, he appeared diaphoretic, was breathing heavily, and had to be helped so he could sit on the ground as the officers questioned him. And complaining of not being able to breathe is one of the symptoms displayed by someone suffering from cardiopulmonary arrest. Sadly, this is the one case that compliance would not have changed the outcome for Floyd. The struggle and his being positioned chest down did not help his condition; but this was a death that had begun prior to the police being called on Floyd. There was no way to stop it once it started. That’s how most terminal diseases work.

Ahmad Arbury was hunted down and murdered by the ex-cop, his son, and their friend. They deserve to rot in Hell! But this was not technically an officer involved death. The prosecutor delay in charging the men is the DA’s problem, not the police’s.

Philando Castille was killed when he announced he had a gun as he was reaching for his wallet which was sitting atop where his gun was located. Castille might as well have screamed, “Say Hello to my little friend!!” in his best Scarface voice! I have seen videos of police training scenarios that played out the exact way that it did with Castille that night. Gun owners should always tell the officer that they have a firearm in the vehicle while keeping their hands on the wheel. You let the officer instruct you as to what they want you to do to retrieve the firearm. Castille died because he did not know/exercise proper gun safety rules. Castille’s death was tragic, but the officer acted appropriately and followed department policy.

trayvon martin, nobody will ever know what he did or didn't do, he was 17.

Ummm…we DO KNOW what Martin did that night. He was on his cell phone talking to his friend as he walked past where George Zimmerman was parked watching the neighborhood and took offense with how GZ had looked at Martin. Martin told his friend that he was “going to teach that cracker a lesson”. Martin circled back around and took GZ by surprise and began physically assaulting GZ. Minus the gunshot wound, the ME’s autopsy found that Martin had only offensive wounds from the physical altercation — scrapes and scratches to his knuckles consistent with GZ’s claim that Martin had jumped him, pinned him to the ground and punched him in the face before Martin begin bashing GZ’s skull into the asphalt. The bullet trajectory showed that Martin was on top of and leaning over GZ when he was shot — again, consistent with GZ’s claims. GZ had multiple bruises on his face and his scalp had gashes with gravel in the wounds.

The night after it occurred, the story that the big papers were telling was that a poor black child was shot for walking thru a white neighborhood trying to get back home from getting candy. They did not give any real details, so I tried to find the real story from one of the local news sites. I searched for articles listing the deceased as Trayvon Martin. But what I found on the local site made no sense, because the only story on the local news site that had a person killed being named Trayvon Martin was reporting a story of a man, Martin, being shot in self defense after Martin had attacked a total stranger! The article, complete with photos of the gashes to Zimmerman’s scalp, made it clear that the shooter had been cleared by the police for what was a textbook definition for a justified homicide in defense of one’s own life. It took me a while for me to realize the stories were reporting on the same event, but in entirely different ways! Two days later, the news station had pulled their article and was now running the national narrative.

GZ was only indicted after the state chose to overrule the local prosecutor’s decision that the evidence did not support criminal charges being filed. The state had not uncovered any new evidence — it simply decided to place politics over the rule of law.

BLM has never acknowledged that Martin’s actions played any role in his death. The media created a fictional account of what occurred that night that had almost no basis in reality! Trayvon Martin was a very muscular young man who was very athletic and who was very proud of his musculature and appearance. He had lots of photos online that showed off how built he was…yet all of the networks and media outlets chose to run a picture of Trayvon from when he was a pre-teen child. To this day, that is the only photo the media uses.

NBC edited the 911 phone call from GZ so that you did not hear the call receiver asking GZ direct questions about what the suspect he was report had been wearing. This made it appear that GZ was reporting a suspicious person based solely on the fact that they were wearing a gray hoodie. The other networks, all who undoubtedly had requested copies of the 911 call for themselves, then chose to use the NBC’s edited version — giving NBC the credit for it, but never mentioning it had been edited to remove the call receiver’s questioning of GZ!

Martin’s death, while not a police related case, may have been the worst case of biased journalism focused on ratings over reality that we’ve seen in the 21st century…thus far. The media wove a story together a fictional tale of a poor Black child being hunted and brutally murdered by a wealthy White man simply for walking thru the wealthy neighborhood while being Black. They ignored all of the evidence and facts in telling their tale. Sadly, the fictional story is still what most Americans have come to believe as the truth.

every case is different.

yes, most LEO's are good people and aren't out to kill anyone. but there's a systemic problem in our country when it comes to relationships between cops and communities.

You are correct; there is a systemic problem in our country when it comes to relationships between cops and communities — that problem being that the media keeps telling us that there is a problem between cops and communities even if the data doesn’t support that claim. The media has intentionally misrepresented the facts to encourage that rift.

BLM had large signage made that showed a photo of Michael Brown with the word “MARTYR” across the bottom half of the sign. Martyr’s are typically revered by the people. BLM has never acknowledged that Brown’s actions (physically attacking a police officer and attempting to disarm him) played any role in his death.

eric garner sold cigarettes on a street corner

That is only part of the story. A court had issued an arrest warrant for Mr. Gardner and two police officers attempted to affect it, but Mr. Gardner refused to put his hands behind his back or to be taken into custody — so the two officers decided to walk away to prevent an altercation. This occurred the day before (this was a great example of police de-escalating a scene, but the media chose not to mention this for some odd reason) the encounter where Gardner lost his life.

Gardner was a very large, strong man. If he didn’t want to go with the officers, physically compelling him to comply without injury to any involved would not be an easy task…but was possible. That’s why, the next day, the two officers returned to serve the warrant on Gardner… but this time bringing more than a dozen police officers to assist them. When the video first came out, I assumed that it had occurred inside a police department because of the number of officers involved. Only later did I find out that they had gone in masse to make the arrest. They hoped that by showing up with that number of officers, Gardner would recognize that he would not be able to avoid being taken into custody — that resistance was futile! The police brought enough officers to hopefully be able to physically force compliance with the least amount of risk of injury if Gardner still chose to resist arrest. Gardner, when he saw the officers approaching, handed his phone to a friend and told him to get what was about to happen on video for Gardner. Gardner could have complied and we would have never known his name. But he did not comply. At any point during the time Gardner screamed “I can’t breathe!” 11 times, he could have stopped fighting the officers…but he didn’t.

The press ran with the Gardner family’s claim that the police killed Gardner using an illegal choke hold against him. This was not the truth, the officer had Gardner in a headlock. If you are in a chokehold, you cannot loudly scream “I can’t breathe!” even once…much less 11 times! Still, the press chose to mislabel the hold the police used to control Gardner’s struggle against them as a “stranglehold” because it fit the narrative they wanted to enrage the public.

That is a GOOD thing..

So, obviously the law IS delivering on it's Anti Grooming promise..

Anti-Grooming law = Anti-Pedophile law

What SANE parent would have a problem with that??

Then we're good because the FL *DOES* deliver that..

So, there is no problem here, right??

Basically what Democrats are arguing for is sex-ed and ideological gender-bending for kindergartners..

What SANE parent would be OK with that??

Many sane parents would oppose a law that made the claim to be anti-grooming but didn't deliver that, irrespective of whether it picked on teachers, clergy, cops or cat food canners.

Com'on JL.. We're talking KINDERGARTNERS... Do you HONESTLY believe that's an issue??

As i see it, the law will do a lot to prevent honesty, and nothing to prevent pedophilia.

That's because you haven't read the law..

By definition, it's an Anti GROOMER law... So, by definition it's preventive..

Put it another way..

What would you say about this law if it applied to the CLERGY and no teachers??

You would agree with me.. :D

See how that works?

And nothing in the FL Anti-Groomer law would prevent that..

But do YOU want a school person INITIATING sexually explicit contact or conversation with your 4 yr old child??

Of course you wouldn't..

No SANE parent would!??

THAT is the whole point..

In the wake of Florida’s overwhelmingly popular law prohibiting classroom instruction on sexuality to students in kindergarten through the third grade, many Americans are honestly baffled by the outcry. Why do progressive educators, Disney, and the White House all insist that 5-year-olds must be able to learn about scientifically dubious beliefs such as fluid gender identities?
https://wng.org/opinions/protect-the-children-1650019354

THAT is the question that no one can seem to answer... :^/

Wow Don, you really are a crack geographer.

Come talk to me when you have specifics...

Zelenskyy continues to label Russia's actions in Ukraine as a genocide
https://www.foxnews.com/world/zelenskyy-wants-biden-to-visit-ukraine-he-should-come-here-to-see

Biden won't go to Ukraine..

He is a skeered and his handlers won't let him.. :^/

CIA Bombshell: The Sussmann data was "user created"
Also: Confirmation of a frame-job against President-Elect Trump

My late Friday night involved hitting refresh on PACER every so often, incurring the $0.10 charge for each search result as I waited on Special Counsel John Durham’s latest filing in the Michael Sussmann case. (Exciting, I know.)

The motion exceeded expectations, discussing CIA conclusions that Sussmann was providing implausible data to federal authorities, providing CIA notes regarding their meeting with Sussmann, and confirmation that they essentially spied on President-Elect Trump.

The motion can be found here. It was filed as part of the government’s efforts to convince the court that the evidence it seeks to admit in Sussmann’s trial is relevant and admissible.

Let’s go through the most important parts.
https://technofog.substack.com/p/cia-bombshell-the-sussmann-data-was?s=r

The data that implicated President Trump in Russia Collusion was fabricated. Created by Clinton operatives solely and completely out of nothing with the SOLE intent of framing President Trump..

Democrat chickens are coming home to roost.. :D

When you are ready to give me specifics, I'll be ready to give you specifics.. :D

Which one, SPECIFICALLY, do you want me to address??

Like I said.. You can't ask for specifics unless you are willing to BE specific...

It's like asking, "Why is the bible good??" Or "Why is the bible bad??"..

WHICH PART???

Unless you are going to be specific, I can't help you..

No, you provided me a long rant.. What specifically do you require an explanation for??

If you won't provide specifics you have no foundation to demand specifics from others..

The fact that you go to such lengths to AVOID giving specifics gets my spider-sense tingling..

Much like if I am on patrol and make a stop and the driver goes to great lengths to avoid identifying himself..

It makes me wonder what's he hiding?? What doesn't he want me to find out??

What are you hiding, DH?? What don't you want me to find out??

Still Feeling the Bern
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/16/opinion/bernie-sanders-democratic-policies.html

Don't say I never give ya nuttin'.. :D

Thus, an outbreak of free speech could have dire consequences for many in the political-corporate-media triumvirate. For them, the greatest danger is that Musk could be right and Twitter would become a more popular, more profitable company selling a free speech product.

Poison pill maneuvers are often used to force a potential buyer to negotiate with the board. However, Twitter’s directors (who include Agrawal and Dorsey) have previously limited their product to advance their own political preferences. This time, federal law may force them to fulfill their fiduciary duties, even at the cost of supporting free speech. The problem for the board will occur when the “nightmare” of free speech comes in at $60 a share.

If Musk can pull this off, this would be a EPIC slap down of the Democrat Party and it's anti-America agenda that will reverberate for DECADES to come...

Fingers crossed... :D

The problem comes when you sell fear for too long and at too high a price. Recently, Rep. Madeleine Dean (D-Pa.) agreed with MSNBC analyst John Heilemann that Democrats have to “scare the crap out of [voters] and get them to come out.”

That line is not selling any better for the media than it is for social media, however. Trust in the media is at a record low, with only 7 percent expressing great trust in what is being reported. The United States ranks last in media trust among 46 nations.

Just as the public does not want social media companies to control their views, it does not want the media to shape its news. In one recent poll, “76.3% of respondents from all political affiliations said that ‘the primary focus of the mainstream media’s coverage of current events is to advance their own opinions or political agendas.'"

How sad is THAT.. US ranks dead last in Media Trust..

Why??

Because the Leftist/Democrat media have PROVEN that they CAN'T be trusted..

From censoring COVID facts to censoring Political facts to censoring SCIENTIFIC Facts, the Leftist Media prove over and over again how full of shit and agenda-driven they really are..

Twitter faces the ‘nightmare’ of being forced into free speech

Twitter’s board of directors gathered this week to sign what sounds like a suicide pact. It unanimously voted to swallow a “poison pill” to tank the value of the social media giant’s shares rather than allow billionaire Elon Musk to buy the company.

The move is one way to fend off hostile takeovers, but what is different in this case is the added source of the hostility: Twitter and many liberals are apoplectic over Musk’s call for free speech protections on the site.

Company boards have a fiduciary duty to do what is best for shareholders, which usually is measured in share values. Twitter has long done the opposite. It has virtually written off many conservatives — and a large portion of its prospective market — with years of arbitrary censorship of dissenting views on everything from gender identity to global warming, election fraud and the pandemic. Most recently, Twitter suspended a group, Libs of Tik Tok, for “hateful conduct.” The conduct? Reposting what liberals have said about themselves.
https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/3270514-twitter-faces-the-nightmare-of-being-forced-into-free-speech/

Like I said.. If Musk is allowed to buy Titter with no muss, no fuss, then Titter IS providing a fair and balanced service and I will admit that I was wrong..

But if there is hysterical opposition to Musk buying Titter, then I was factually accurate and Titter is a bastion of censorship and bigotry that only serves to further the Democrat Party Left Wing anti-America agenda...

If you want specific answers, you have to ask specific questions..

If you want respectful answers, you have to provide respectful questions..

You did not provide specifics..

Frequency/duration is not the point. The point is that it happens to anyone out side the accepted parameters and the reason they get away with it is because people like you keep arguing with each other over who it is happening to more which is exactly how the powers that be manipulate you.

Frequency/duration is EXACTLY the point..

It's like the 6 Jan Committee's claim of "bi partisan" committee...

It's not TRULY bi-partisan because it's made up SOLELY and COMPLETELY of Trump/America haters...

OK, that's not a perfect example..

Since money is at the heart of this debate, let's use that...

A guy gives one friend a dollar and gives the OTHER friend a million dollars...

The guy gave BOTH his friends money so YOUR claim is that it's equal..

But it's NOT equal because the one friend got a buttload MORE than the other friend..

So it is with Titter and censoring users..

If Titter censors a handful of Democrats, but censor a couple million GOP'ers, YOUR claim is that Titter censors people equally..

The FACTS prove that this is NOT accurate..

Hispanic voters deserting Biden in major warning sign for Democrats

Amid border crisis, Hispanic support for president plummets as key voting demographic shifts to GOP.

Only 26% of Hispanic voters approve of Biden's job performance, compared to 54% who disapprove, according to a Quinnipiac poll released Wednesday.

Perhaps most striking, the poll found a staggering 41% of Hispanic voters "strongly disapprove" of Biden's handling of the presidency, while just 12% "strongly approve."

Hispanics represent the country's second largest voting bloc by ethnicity.

A downward trend in Hispanic support for Biden has been ongoing for months.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/biden-has-hispanic-problem

November is NOT going to be pretty for Democrats...

Turns out I joined Titter years ago.. And guess who I follow!! hehehehehehe

Well, now I have TWO people to follow.. :D

OK.. So let the citizens come to that determination on their own.. :D

But citizens using their votes to achieve a goal is not the anti-thesis of freedom. It is basic democracy.

Citizens ARE using their votes..

You just don't like the way the citizens are using their votes.. :D

Cut the shit with your dodges and provide the explanations to comment 39.

#39 is a big comment..

Exactly what do you want an explanation for??

And if you say all of it, that's just a dodge akin to how lawyers overburden opposing counsel with a deluge of discovery..

If you want specifics, you have to BE specific..

OK, Bashi.. :D

Why do you always claim you have provided proof when we both know you haven't. :D

Your obsession with who it happens more to is just you buying into the show and completely missing the point of the strategy which is to keep us divided arguing over who it happens to more.

So, you are claiming that frequency/duration is NOT a factor??

In that, you are factually not accurate...

You are factually accurate in your assessment of the problem..

It's just your solution is unrealistic..

The only way your solution will come to pass in our lifetimes is if it is imposed..

Which is the anti-thesis of freedom..

Put another way..

Murder is bad.. It would be nice if we could eliminate people killing other people..

But to do so voluntarily is an impossibility due to human nature..

Such as it is with your plan.. It doesn't take into account the human nature.. There will always be strong people who prey on weak people.. This is human nature..

Someday we will have a currency-less Trek based society.

But today is not that day..

"There will come a day when your people will be welcome back to Atlantis. But today is not that day."
-Commander Hela, STARGATE ATLANTIS

It's just the elitism and snobbery that really pisses me off.

Who the frak are these frak'ed in the head snobs to expect society as a whole to BEND to THEIR "preference"..

Thinking your the wrong gender (gender dysphoria) is a PSYCHOLOGICAL/PSYCHIATRIC disorder that can be treated with drugs and therapy...

Claiming it's natural evolution is simply another way Democrats discard REAL science in favor of activism..

Professor sued Shawnee State University, claiming it violated his First Amendment rights
https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-public-university-to-pay-400000-in-damages-after-punishing-professor-for-misgendering-student

This "preferred pronoun" crap is complete and utter bullshit..

If you were born a guy, then you are a him or a he... PERIOD..

Tough titty to what you "prefer"... Your biology and the FACTS say yer a guy.. So yer a him or a he.. Deal with it..

*I* "PREFER" to call this GUY an asshole..

Will he accede to MY preference?? Of course HE won't..

People really need to get over themselves..

Facts, reality and SCIENCE don't bend to someone's... ANYONE's "preference"...

Gender is a matter of BIOLOGY which is to say, it's a matter of SCIENCE...

Something Democrats *CLAIM* they follow..

Oh, but I am sure Democrats are hard at work trying to change the definition of "gender" to fit their agenda..

:^/

Another example of how far off the reservation Democrats are going..

Think of it like the SOTU Address the the President gives every year.. And a leader of the opposing Party gives a rebuttal..

Weigantia's Administrator gives the SOTDP (State Of The Democrat Party) every day..

And I give the rebuttal... :D Granted my rebuttals tend to be all over the place...

But hay... Ya'all can't claim ignorance when the Democrat Party goes down in flames, eh?? AMIRIGHT!!?? :D

Durham says CIA found data alleging Trump-Russia connection not 'technically plausible,' was 'user created'

Durham says he will seek immunity for a Fusion GPS employee during the trial of Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham-cia-concluded-data-alleging-trump-russia-connection-not-technically-plausible-user-created

It's really hard to imagine how things can get ANY worse for Democrats, eh? :D

Leaders in the GOP-controlled Legislature have already signaled they would accept whatever proposal the governor offered to them.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/13/desantis-new-florida-map-gop-gains-00025164

DeSantis is going to do in Florida what Democrats have done in California..

LOVE IT!! :D

What Florida employers need to know if DeSantis approves new ‘anti-woke’ law

The bill could affect how employers present diversity training programs.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/04/14/what-florida-employers-need-to-know-if-desantis-approves-new-anti-woke-law/

Gods, I love Florida!!!! :D

Wisconsin Supreme Court adopts GOP-drawn legislative maps

The Wisconsin Supreme Court has adopted Republican-drawn maps for the state Legislature, after initially approving maps drawn by Democratic Gov. Tony Evers
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/wisconsin-supreme-court-adopts-gop-drawn-legislative-maps-84112513

..... the hits just keep on comin'!! :D

The Democrats' legislative maps were race-based...

The GOP legislative maps were based on the facts, the reality and the law.. Race wasn't even a consideration..

THAT is how it should be..

Society should be based on COLOR BLIND parameters... Race should NEVER enter the equation..

Protesters in Grand Rapids say they will continue until there's justice for Patrick Lyoya
https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-protesters-demand-justice-for-patrick-lyoya-who-was-fatally-shot-by-grand-rapids-police-officer

A perfect example of Democrat hypocrisy and elitist attitude...

If you fight with a cop and you go for a cops weapon??

Your life is forfeit...

There is simply no way to sugarcoat that or deny that one fact of reality...

If you go for a cop's weapon? Expect to die..

It's that simple...

You have made some good points.. Warning, this is going to be a LONG response...

So grab a cold one and pull up a chair, ya'all.. :D

Okay you are undeniably right that just complying should reduce the chances of getting killed. But because it doesn't guarantee one's safety

Agreed.. There are some tragic mistakes on record where a subject didn't hear the LEO properly or was trying to comply and circumstances prevented it or was mentally ill or too young to comprehend the danger or was a bystander.. Tamir Rice and Breonna Taylor come to mind..

They were still good shoots insofar as the cops did the right thing, the ONLY thing they could have done under the circumstances..

But they are sad events in the realm of "accidents" and they are a very VERY small percentage of Officer Involved shootings...

(whether it's statistically true or not don't you agree that it's a common belief among non-white American citizens? Otherwise, no BLM and no nationwide George Floyd protests.)

George Floyd was a PERFECT example of When You Fight The Law The Law Wins.. If Floyd hadn't resisted arrest, he would be alive today.. Well, probably not as the drugs he ingested (4x the lethal limits of meth and fentynal) would have killed him anyways.. Eric Gardner?? Michael Brown?? Every person EVER shot by police?? 99.9% of them would be alive/unharmed if they had simply complied with the lawful orders of LEOs..

Are you telling me that you wouldn't have handled this situation ANY DIFFERENTLY than the Officer involved? This is not a gotcha question.

It is, but not in a bad way... :D I would never second-guess an on-scene officer. Sure, there are instances I, knowing the aftermath, might have did something different..

But hindsight is always 20/20.. It's EASY to be a Monday Morning quarterback..

You're a soldier.. Ever see combat?? Being a cop in a high crime area is very close to that..

Nobody second guesses a soldier on the battlefield, unless there is CONCRETE IRREFUTABLE UNEQUIVOCAL FACTS to support such second guessing..

Nobody should be second guessing cops in high crime areas unless the same applies..

Whatever our political differences you have EXPERTISE that I lack. You're a smart guy and you love Murica every bit as much as this Army Vet.

Awwww.. Flattery will get you EVERYWHERE... :D

I could potentially provide EXPERTISE, if you are interested, on my experiences as, uh, someone on the "consumer" side of our Criminal so-called Justice System.

For a white collar crime I was guilty of I spent two months in San Bernardino County back in 1997.

I've had my own minor run-ins.. Nothing more than a night once or twice.. So, we all trip now and then...

But let me be clear: law enforcement is spread pretty thinly up here in the San Bernardino mountains.

I spent a goodly portion of my childhood in Banning and Beaumont CA... :D Fond memories

But these days?? You couldn't PAY me enough to be a cop in California..

My life is an open book and I disclose this shady past as someone who got a taste of the belly of the beast which I hope offers a different perspective.

I am glad we can have these conversations.. It makes things MUCH more fun.. :D

Please expand on why Beau's "just let him go, he didn't have to kill him" is NOT the lifesaving approach, here? No hurry, do it when the opportunity presents itself.

Let me tell you of an incident that occurred when I was a patrolman.. Keep in mind this was in the 80s..

I rolled back-up on a possible Deuce Traffic Stop.. Cop had a car pulled over for a erratic driving.. Cop suspected drunk driving.. It was a guy taking his child home... I didn't really involve myself in the actual stop, just hung back in case the subject got froggy.. The cop came back to me said the guy seems OK.. Maybe had one or two, but seems OK to drive and the driver just a few miles from home.. Cop said, "I'm just going to let him go.."

We 10-8 from the scene... The driver continues on.. Few blocks away, the driver pulled in front of a truck speeding and was t-boned.. Drive and the child were killed..

6 months later, that cop ate his gun...

Just letting a subject go is really not an option because one NEVER knows the future..

The rule of thumb that all cops follow that, if you care enough to ID a subject, then it's important enough to follow thru and actually ID a subject..

If a subject is non-compliant about IDing themselves, then it's logical to infer that the subject is being evasive for a reason.

NOTHING triggers an LEO's radar more than an evasive subject..

My question is, do you subscribe to EVERYTHING you post or is any of it a kind of Devil's Advocacy? No question that up to now I thought you were just trying to "own" all us wretched Libtards, to simply piss people off.

That's a very good question.. Very rarely do I play Devil's Advocate.. I honestly believe everything I post..

Scary, eh? :D

Maybe not to the extent or passion that I post about it.. Abortion is a good example.. I really have no dog in that hunt..

But, like most things about Democrats, it's the hypocrisy that simply pisses me off... The elitist DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO snobbery...

There are so many inherent contradictions in Democrats and what they believe vs what they actually do that just rubs me the wrong way...

"Good talk.."
-Dr Rodney McKay, STARGATE ATLANTIS

A stopped clock is right twice a day…

I am betting that if we limited our discussions to LEO matters, this "clock" would be factually accurate all day, no?? :D

It's all relative my friend. :D

There are plenty of examples of people on the left being de-platformed/censured.

Prove it..

And prove that such de-platforming is as prevalent and as negatively impactful on our society as it's done to conservatives..

it's certainly worked well so far, so why mess with success? Within the next decade maybe you'll even be able to field a softball team!

Okay, CFL three down versus NFL four down football is arguably more exciting, but still...USA! USA! USA!

Church of Football, I say!

And the Sacramental Potion is...beer!

Yeah, well...this Yankee is jealous of you.

At least us Muricans still play a superior form of Football down here.

Okay. Think of it this way: if I finish the pint of Smirnoff TONIGHT I won't be PLASTERED tomorrow. I really am a lightweight drinker nowadays.

So I'm pounding it down -- okay, I'm sipping it down...for YOU! For US, Darlin'. No need to thank me.

That sounds interesting! Let's figure out a good theme.

My thing is that I was usually socializing Sunday nights. But I'm making lifestyle changes in anticipation of Spinal Fusion surgery on my neck, so I quit smoking and am laying off my beloved brewskis.
I am convinced that I'm not alone in regarding Weigantia as kind of a family, a family that helped get me through Covid. Still plan to meet you for coffee in Vancouver, even if we disagree about Ukraine.