So, Michale, you support vaccine mandates, then?

Excellent!

I see what you did there.

Of course he doesn't support vaccine mandates; he's a bona fide echo chamber/useful idiot of the GOP propaganda machine that tells the regurgitating rubes only 1% are dying from COVID. Do the math to determine the number of American deaths the GOP actually does find acceptable.

I still often hear them claim it's a hoax or that the vaccines don't work. When I hear this, I remind them that it is true that Donald Trump pretty much effs up everything he does and how Trump insists that the vaccines are his.

So, to recap: So-called conservatives are "all in" with governmental mandates for certain others while fully expecting no such mandates be placed on themselves... not exactly the moral and ethical bastions of pro-life advocacy that they make themselves out to be, but then we already knew that.

So you really would choose frozen embryos over a living/breathing infant in order to save more lives?

"Democrats," they write, "must consider the possibility that Hispanics will turn out to be the Italians of the 21st century - family oriented, religious, patriotic, striving to succeed in their adopted country and supportive of public policies that expand economic opportunity without dictating results." They note that ultimately, "Italians became Republicans. Democrats must rethink their approach if they hope to retain majority support among Hispanics."

Patriotic Americans of ALL stripes simply do not like nor buy what the Democrat Party is shoveling...

It's really THAT simple..

"Too many Democrats have evaded this truth and its implications for the party's agenda and strategy," the authors add. "They have been led astray by three persistent myths: that 'people of color' think and act in the same way; that economics always trumps culture; and that a progressive majority is emerging."
https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Democrats-are-engaged-in-a-new-politics-of-16935734.php

We see this completely inability to accept the facts here in Weigantia™ as well...

"MASK ARE FOR THEE... NOT FOR ME..."

What *IS* it about Democrats that the EXUDE hypocrisy from every pore of their bodies???

Hardly, since it's PROVEN that the vaccines simply do not work...

In general, I support a vaccine mandate for a REAL Pandemic that actually threatens the human race...

Think THE LAST SHIP or THE STAND or EXECUTIVE ORDERS..

But for something that has a 99%+ survival rate??

No way in hell would I support a vaccine mandate..

Excellent!

no, i absolutely, positively, 1000% don't. both the suggestion of legislating what goes on inside women's bodies,

Illegal narcotic laws..

Government regulates what goes on inside women's (and men's) bodies all the time. And a lot of it comes from the desire to save lives..

Such regulation is (I assume) acceptable to you..

How is abortion any different??

It's regulating what's going on in a woman's body to save a life...

No difference..

I like using the term First Nations to include First Nations, Inuit and Metis peoples.

It was the whole feel of the joke that rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe hurtful is the wrong word. And, maybe it's just that I've spent a lot of time learning about First Nations rights - rights that most Canadians refuse to recognize out of sheer ignorance. And, its the fact that the struggle for justice continues and I don't feel like laughing about Indian jokes.

whenever there's no consensus on what's true and moral in a given case, and one would have to be a gibbering idiot to believe on the issue of abortion that there is such a consensus, the burden should always be on the government to allow freedom of choice and prove a person's guilt if the choice they make is beyond the pale - not on that person to be unable to choose, and be required to prove their innocence if they choose in spite of the government's restrictions.

Not factually accurate..

First off, the SCIENCE proves beyond any doubt that life exists..

You yourself state for the record that you are not sure if it's life..

Given these two facts, the *ONLY* rational option is to err on the sanctity of life and PROTECT that life..

THEN have the courts and the law carve out exemptions when/if circumstances warrant...

YOUR claim....

"the burden should always be on the government to allow freedom of choice "

.. is simply anarchy..

the key word here is CONSENSUS. you're arguing as if from a point of consensus on both the personhood of all foetuses and the value of preserving a foetus at a major cost to its host, when in fact no consensus exists on either point.

Between you and I, there is consensus and confusion..

You stated you are not sure if it's life..

Therefore the **ONLY** rational course of action is to err on the side of the sanctity of life..

Any other course of action is barbarism..

failing that, if a government must err, the american thing to do is to err on the side of individual liberty against government restriction.

Really??? So, err on letting people do whatever they want INSTEAD of err'ing on the side that protects life..

Do you REALLY believe that??

Because, if you do, you just HAVE to know it's going to come back and bite you on the arse, eh?? :D

although i think it's beyond stupid, i must concede that consensus does not exist as to the public danger of people who refuse to mask. as such, the government can't dictate, and it's therefore the role of citizens in civil cases to police each other.

So, you support the Canadian Truckers protest??? :D

I didn't think it would come back to bite you on the arse so fast.. :D

Well, at least I don't take your lead and make false claims about it. ;)

Please point to any of my claims regarding the Canadian Truckers protest that are false..

You can't because it just ain't so..

whenever there's no consensus on what's true and moral in a given case, and one would have to be a gibbering idiot to believe on the issue of abortion that there is such a consensus, the burden should always be on the government to allow freedom of choice and prove a person's guilt if the choice they make is beyond the pale - not on that person to be unable to choose, and be required to prove their innocence if they choose in spite of the government's restrictions.

the key word here is CONSENSUS. you're arguing as if from a point of consensus on both the personhood of all foetuses and the value of preserving a foetus at a major cost to its host, when in fact no consensus exists on either point.

failing that, if a government must err, the american thing to do is to err on the side of individual liberty against government restriction. and to bring this argument full-circle, consensus is the crux of what's at issue in the mask/vaccine debate as well. in order for a government to presume guilt rather than innocence, requires massive public consensus. although i think it's beyond stupid, i must concede that consensus does not exist as to the public danger of people who refuse to mask. as such, the government can't dictate, and it's therefore the role of citizens in civil cases to police each other.

JL

Just like the occupying and blocading truckers, you have the freedom to write what you want. I have the freedom to denounce it.

my father told me that joke forty years ago, and it was just as awful then. yes, it's your first amendment right to tell as many gross jokes as you like.

JL

no, i absolutely, positively, 1000% don't. both the suggestion of legislating what goes on inside women's bodies, and the way it's framed as somehow a moral crusade to protect all the innocent human goldfish, are abhorrent to me.

but then, unlike dr. thomson, i never stipulated the person-hood of a foetus prior to viability. even for her, it's a thought exercise rather than an rational concession. i can't quote the entire essay.

JL

Well, at least I don't take your lead and make false claims about it. ;)

Nibble on THAT for the rest of the day ... time to get to celebration of Family Day!

Try telling that to the residents of downtown Ottawa, if you dare.

I just did.

And yet, what I wrote is completely factual... I welcome you to refute my facts with facts of your own.. :D

The occupation of downtown Ottawa and the blocades of border crossings are neither peaceful nor legitimate

They were completely peaceful, as a normal rational person defines peaceful...

But I understand your confusion as you buy into the Democrat definition.. For you "Fiery Protest" = Peaceful protest..

As for "legitimate", I again point you to TWENTY TWO YEARS (collectively) of Democrat BLM and AntiFa protests and invite you to justify that in the context of your attitude against the REAL peaceful protests of the Canadian Truckers...

, more than that, they caused the shutdown of workplaces.

You mean, as opposed to Democrat BLM and AntiFa riots that DESTROYED work places??? Mostly of minority owned work places..

I am simply gabberflasted that you try to make a case on YOUR position while COMPLETELY ignoring 22 years (collectively) of REAL violent riots and your support of those riots...

The utter illogical and irrational thought process is mind-boggling...

The occupation of downtown Ottawa and the blocades of border crossings are neither peaceful nor legitimate and, more than that, they caused the shutdown of workplaces.

According to the Democrat Party, THAT ^^^^ is a female...

:^/

t's really not ALL that bad here. But, I am concerned by the lack of police action to remove the illegal protesting truckers for more than three weeks.

And that's where the double standards come in..

You seem to be totally accepting of violent riots where people are killed, wounded and billions in property destroyed..

But a PEACEFUL and legitimate protest???

THAT you are concerned about "lack of police action" to violently shut down a REAL and actual PEACEFUL protest...

Where is the logic???

Canadians will learn about the organizers and their asinine anti-government demands as set out in their memorandum of understanding. We will learn just how seriously we need to take this threat to our democracy.

Yea... And parents who are concerned about their children are "domestic terrorists" and require the Patriot Act.. :^/

It's really not ALL that bad here. But, I am concerned by the lack of police action to remove the illegal protesting truckers for more than three weeks. There will be investigations and we will see what happened, what didn't happen and why.

Canadians will learn about the organizers and their asinine anti-government demands as set out in their memorandum of understanding. We will learn just how seriously we need to take this threat to our democracy.

I will have much more to say about this later. It's Family Day today!

Leadership that has failed on so many fronts in so many instances. Experts who lack expertise, appointees who aren’t up to the job, talking heads who can’t keep their story straight or their advice consistent. A governing class seemingly dedicated more to division and disparagement than pragmatism or co-operation. In sum it’s produced an anger that is palpable and not anywhere like the placid and polite Canadian profile. For a long time now Canada has been neither peaceable, orderly or well governed.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/kelly-mcparland-complacent-canada-is-changing-and-our-politicians-havent-a-clue

Thanx to Adolph Trudeau, Canada is fast becoming a 3rd world shithole...

He's got ya there, JL.... :D

How well Democrats heed that message will determine how long Democrats remain as the minority Party....

Following the “better messaging” strategy, Maloney is trying to fend off Schmitt by flip-flopping on mask mandates. He recently revealed his epiphany on Morning Joe: “We as Democrats should not be, out of some sense of correctness, falling in love with [mask] mandates when they aren’t necessary.” This won’t help, however, unless he breaks with New York’s Democratic governor over her refusal to lift the mandates she has imposed on school children. As Johns Hopkins scholar Amesh Adalja, MD, tells Medscape Medical News: “Children are the lowest risk for severe disease.” Yet Gov. Hochul dropped mask mandates for everyone except the kids. This frustrated many parents. And, as we saw in Virginia, they vote.

Once again.. It's not the messaging..

Americans don't like the Democrat Party message...

Until Democrats change their message.. IE Change their policies..

Democrats will continue to lose over and over and over again...

I support ya 110%!! :D

As the midterms loom, panicky House Democrats are painfully aware that the political portents do not favor them. They have been consistently behind on the generic congressional ballot, and their fate will be profoundly influenced by President Biden’s abysmal job approval numbers. Consequently, they badly need competent guidance from their leadership. They aren’t getting it. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) is instead telling its members that their policies are not the problem. According to a recent Politico report, the DCCC insists that the source of their woes is GOP “culture war attacks” and the solution is better messaging.
https://spectator.org/sorry-democrats-your-problem-isnt-messaging/

The problem for Democrats is not that the American people don't like the Democrats' messaging..

The problem for Democrats is that Americans don't like the Democrat MESSAGE...

Advocating racist policies such as segregation and CRT... Support BLM terrorist assassins... DEFUND, DEMORALIZE, DEMONIZE THE POLICE... Children indoctrination.. Destroying women's sports in the name of forced science-less diversity.. Federalizing state elections to make it easier for Democrats to cheat..

Over and over and over again, the American people are saying NO to Democrat policies...

It's not yer messaging, Democrats... It's yer message...

The final irony is that BLM now is using the mayhem they created as an excuse for leniency. Louisville BLM organizers reportedly claimed that their man Quintez Brown may have been suffering from PTSD after two years of social unrest.

How anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together can support the Democrat Party is mind-bobbling...

That’s almost three years less than the sentence handed down to the so-called QAnon Shaman, Jacob Chansley, who became the face of the Capitol riot after being photographed wandering around in a Viking hat and face paint. He committed no violence, damaged no property and was unarmed, but he spent more than ten months in prison without trial before he was slapped with a 41-month sentence plus three years of supervised release.

If it weren't for double standards, you people would have no standards at all... :^/

But according to the Democrats, their pet media outlets, and a disturbing number of judges, the violent mayhem was morally justified, and so the vast majority of charges have been dismissed.

The 2020 BLM riots injured or blinded more than 2,000 police officers,

And ya'all whine and cry about a SINGLE Right Wing violent riot in a SINGLE building over the span of a few hours..

Ya'all don't care about cops unless you can use them to further your anti-Cop agenda...

It's sickening...

Notice the discrepancy in treatment?

Where is the 6 Jan level of condemnation for these acts from ya'all???

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Non-existent...

Ya'all don't even CONDEMN these acts at all.. SILENCE GIVES ASSENT.. It's a Democrat mantra... They even make money off the sales of T-SHIRTS that say this very thing...

But let a Right Wing violent riot happen and ya'all scream to the high heavens..

Doesn't being so blatantly hypocritical even BOTHER ya'all???

Look at the Canadian Truckers protest.. Ya'all approve of Adolph Trudeau and his gestapo tactics, trampling elderly people with police horses..

Yet, a BLM thug tries to ASSASSINATE a mayoral candidate??? And ya'all are COMPLETELY silent on that..

SILENCE GIVES ASSENT...

Doesn't such BLATANT hypocrisy and double standards even BOTHER ya'all???

And according to Andy Ngo, author of “Unmasked,” the definitive Antifa expose, Brown’s social media accounts show a disturbing allegiance to anti-Semitic causes, such as the Lion Of Judah Armed Forces, an armed black nationalist group which is linked to the virulently anti-Semitic Black Hebrew Israelites.
https://nypost.com/2022/02/20/blm-privilege-jan-6-ignominy/

You see, this is exactly the problem with you people..

You are so hysterical about a SINGLE violent Right Wing riot in a SINGLE building at a SINGLE location over the span of a few hours..

Yet ya'all condone and encourage and advocate THIS ^^^ kind of Democrat BLM and AntiFa terrorism....

Can anyone explain this blatant hypocrisy and double standards???

Kelly McParland: Complacent Canada is changing — and our politicians haven't a clue

None of the three major parties shows any indication of understanding what’s happening around them, much less adapting accordingly
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/kelly-mcparland-complacent-canada-is-changing-and-our-politicians-havent-a-clue

You see, Don.. It's not the 2 Party system that is the problem..

It is the greed and the lust for power that is the problem..

And in that regard, the Democrat Party is MUCH MORE the problem than the Republican Party..

The successful recall election of three school board members in San Francisco over their woke priorities helped reignite Democrats’ concerns that left-wing slogans and policies are infuriating voters and will drag down the party in the midterm elections.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/feb/19/far-left-fights-back-against-fears-they-are-dentin/

The Hysterical Left owns the Democrat Party now..

The Democrat Party IS the Party of "DEFUND, DEMORALIZE, DEMONIZE THE POLICE"

This is fact...

"In case you hadn’t caught on by now, every time there’s a media push blaming progressives, there’s something conservative Democrats are trying to cover up. This time it’s that they sent 4 million kids into poverty because they killed the Child Tax Credit."
-Democrat Cori Bush

Ya see... It's the Democrats' fault that the Child Tax Credit failed..

Man up...

The violence the Prime Minister has expressed concern about during the three-week protest in Ottawa didn’t unfold until Justin Trudeau’s Emergencies Act police army was sent in to disperse the crowd.
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-police-horses-trample-demonstrators-at-freedom-convoy-protest-in-ottawa

THIS is what Canada has become.. :^/

You need to face reality, cad.. You've lost.. Accept it graciously and move on...

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If only CW gave a fuck*sigh*

So, you are calling Russ's ridiculous I LOVE ABORTIONS post a troll dystopia post???

Well, OK.. I wouldn't go that far.. But if that's yer claim... OK... :^/

Yeah, whatever Don.

I thought you didn't read our posts, cad???

BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Once again, cad gets caught in his bullshit.. :D

"If only CW gave a fuck*sigh*"

Ask not who's the board troll, Caddy- the troll is thee!

"I know, right!?"
-Felix, WRECK IT RALPH

OR....

Or, it's better to make law to save the life of the innocent and then allow a judge or court to carve out exemptions in the cases, rarely though they occur, of the " a sick and desperately frightened fourteen-year-old schoolgirl, pregnant due to rape"

Don't you think THAT is the better way to proceed, JL??

To make the sanctity of life the proper goal of a law and then have the courts carve out the exemptions and exceptions where an abortion CAN be justified...

Surely you see the logic of such an approach, eh?? JL???

the world could do without any more abortion jokes, but i do believe an in-depth philosophical discourse on the viability of pie-based government would improve the public condition.

JL

perhaps you've already read it, but i thought i ought to cite a quote from Dr. Thomson's essay, because I think it hits at the crux of the question:

I am inclined to think it a merit of my account precisely that it does not give a general yes or a general no. It allows for and supports our sense that, for example, a sick and desperately frightened fourteen-year-old schoolgirl, pregnant due to rape, may of course choose abortion, and that any law which rules this out is an insane law. And it also allows for and supports our sense that in other cases resort to abortion is even positively indecent. It would be indecent in the woman to request an abortion, and indecent in a doctor to perform it, if she is in her seventh month, and wants the abortion just to avoid the nuisance of postponing a trip abroad. The very fact that the arguments I have been drawing attention to treat all cases of abortion, or even all cases of abortion in which the mother's life is not at stake, as morally on a par ought to have made them suspect at the outset.~judith jarvis thomson

Was i winning? What do I win? I hope it's pie!

Yes, sir. You were all definitely winning because you didn't promote the nonsensical notion and ridiculous false equivalency that being "pro choice" is the equivalent of being "pro death" when it isn't remotely. By preponderance of the evidence, do so-called conservatives give a shit about the "sanctity of life" or is there a plethora of proof all around (and archived herein) proving otherwise? Rhetorical question.

No need to restate what Bashi has already nailed down in his post, and Russ does a great job with the metaphorical use of pie. Speaking of which, if men could get pregnant, abortion would be as available as a piece of pie; choice would naturally be available to all. The true crux of the abortion debate isn't whether or not a "fetus" is a person with "certain unalienable rights" but whether a woman is.

When it comes to themselves, so-called conservatives these days are crying "tyranny" regarding the simple act of wearing a face mask in public for the common good; yet it is the same group that are happy to strip a woman of her choice the instant they become pregnant. Government mandating a choice for you but not for them is what they're advocating.

So, to recap: Being a so-called conservative these days means certain people should be subjected to control of government while others should be completely free to make their own decisions. There is a huge chasm between what so-called conservatives will accept being imposed on freedom in their own lives and what they will readily accept to be imposed upon certain others.

Not a prayer in Weigantia's new and improved by trolls dystopia.

If only CW gave a fuck*sigh*

According to Michale’s logic, if you know that your actions could have unwanted results, but you choose to do it any way… then you must be held accountable for those unwanted results.

My zoology professor loved to point out that a fetus is no different from a parasite… it’s just one that we choose to allow to mature so that we continue our species. The unborn steals nutrients from the host; it taxes the host’s body and can cause health issues; and can lead to the death of the host.

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Same is true of automakers, knife makers, ball bat makers, etc, right?

Yep... And all those examples are JUST as irrelevant as gun makers in the context of women accepting responsibility for their own choices...

Same is true of automakers, knife makers, ball bat makers, etc, right?

As usual, rush compares apples and alligators...

Yer defending murder, rush.. Black lives don't matter to you whatsoever..

These are the facts..

Thanks!

And gun makers know that their products could be used to murder people, but they still choose to sell the guns. Their choice causes the death of the innocent. So when will you hold them accountable for what their choices result in?

Human life begins at conception...

Why yes...

Yes it does... :D

Thank you, Stucki...

Ahhhh, so this IS about punishing women for having sex.

What IS it with you people and punishment?? Are ya'all into BDSM???

This is about accepting responsibility for one's actions..

Ya'all are the ones who keep bringing up punishment..

Funny, the man who said he would pull out but didn’t because of his hair trigger doesn’t seem to share in the “accountability” for HIS actions!

I am all for that... Once you allow men's rights during pregnancy... IE allowing them to have a say in a woman's murder of HIS child.... then I will agree with you about enforcing men's accountability..

They are just stages in the sexual reproduction of a given species.

BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA

There is NOTHING about sex or reproduction in the process of human life...

The sex and reproduction part comes BEFORE the life is created...

"Doi!!"
-Vanillope Von Schweetz, WRECK IT RALPH

So this IS a religious thing with you.

Only a moron would believe that the sanctity of life is about religion.. :^/

And Republicans showed they care nothing about the “sanctity of life” when they allowed 3.7 children fall into poverty when they voted against Child Tax Credit!

Democrats are in charge... If they couldn't get it done, it's on them..

Incels tend to hold very strong pro-birth opinions. Something about punishing the women who won’t have sex with them but will have sex with other guys.

You know a lot about incels.. Self-study???

Maybe that's why you chose the gay lifestyle.. Angry at women, eh rush?? :D

For those who would justify abortion on the basis of criteria marking definite levels of development at specific points on the continuum, I would draw attention to what might be described as "the symmetry of life' epitomized by the observation that people start out in this life wearing diapers and unable to eat solid food, and often end up the same way".

When my mom died just weeks short of her 100th b'day, she had for years lacked many of the factors abortion advocates cite as criteria for 'personhood'.

Actually, I favor the legal right to abortion. In fact, I'd advocate for the right to 'retroactive abortion' for people who richly deserved it (such as our most recent ex president) but weren't subjected to it at the time. But I don't use that argument to attempt to rationalize the irrational, as some here do.

Love it - very well said!

If you want to be a racist and make everything about race???

The NUMBER ONE killer of black Americans is abortion...

So, if you support abortion, then you don't believe that black lives matter...

What a racist position to take.. That black lives don't matter..

How could you have that belief, Bashi???

So, yes.. The woman is obligated to accept the consequences of her CHOICE...

Ahhhh, so this IS about punishing women for having sex. Funny, the man who said he would pull out but didn’t because of his hair trigger doesn’t seem to share in the “accountability” for HIS actions! The guy didn’t have to have sex with a woman… gay sex is a sure fire way to avoid unwanted pregnancies.

And your science facts that you keep repeating because you think they prove something? They are just stages in the sexual reproduction of a given species. If those steps “prove” personhood; then you just cut the list of things we can eat down to almost nothing.

The sanctity of life..

So this IS a religious thing with you. Why is it that Rightwingers only bring up the “sanctity” of something when you are wanting to tell others how they must conduct their lives when the matter has no impact on your life at all? Don’t approve of abortion? Don’t have one. Don’t approve of marriage equality? Don’t marry someone the same sex as you.

And Republicans showed they care nothing about the “sanctity of life” when they allowed 3.7 children fall into poverty when they voted against Child Tax Credit!

Incels tend to hold very strong pro-birth opinions. Something about punishing the women who won’t have sex with them but will have sex with other guys.

Black?

Race has nothing to do with anything.. Only a racist would think otherwise..

Scumbag?

What part of INNOCENT is not clear to you??

As usual, only obfuscation and equivocation..

That's our Bashi.. :^/

When it's easy. When they are innocent. When they are safe.

Black? Scumbag? Don't agree with your politics? Can't be bothered to get a vaccine? Good shoots and death penalties? Not so much, and that's the real test, sanctity of life when you don't particularly like them or actively dislike them. Get your post born house in order before you are taken seriously on the unborn...

Isn't it better to err on the side of the sanctity of life and NOT on the side of a baby being inconvenient to the mother's lifestyle??

That right there seems to be a no-brainer...

Now if that's what ya'all support, then own it...

Don't dress it up with meek obfuscations or fact-less mitigations..

Abortion is taking an innocent human life...

End of story...

Yer such a JEEP.. :D

heh

And, as I pointed pointed out, feeling pain has nothing to do with sentient life..

She gets date-raped and unless she can prove it, she's the one on trial?

No trial.. And in that case, I understand the issues..

But the child should not have to pay for the sins of the father.. If the girl/woman is not ready or willing to be a mother, there is always adoption..

Why compound the crime of rape with murdering an innocent child??

There is an entire branch of philosophy dedicated to balancing the rights of different entities, and your stance on the subject is indefensible.

It's completely defensible..

The sanctity of life..

You can make it about the rights of the foetus or you can make it about punishing a woman for what happens in her sex life, but you can't rationally do both at the same time.

You're the only one talking about punishment..

*I* am talking about taking responsibility for one's decisions...

Something you Democrats claim is something that SHOULD be done..

Yet, have sooo much trouble actually following thru when it's inconvenient..

Durham said the data Sussmann provided to the CIA came from data tech executive Rodney Joffe obtained when he “exploited” his access to sensitive data from the Executive Office of the President (EOP).

This is simply an exercise in semantics... It's a perfect example of Democrats and their incessant ability to try and obfuscate the facts by keying in on a nonsensical and irrelevant data point.. It's basically the "what the meaning of 'is' is" argument.. :^/

Bashi does that a lot here as well..

It's just as lame and morally corrupt...

Amazingly, CNN quoted this passage in its coverage of the issue, demonstrating the utter lack of regard in which the leftist press holds its readers.

Basically, you Democrats' argument in this case is, "You people are too stoopid to understand the issues and facts, so it's all bullshit..."

Yea... Democrats are ALWAYS renown for making great arguments like this.. :^/

Of course, while casting coverage of Special Counsel Durham’s investigation as the cries of cray-cray conservatives might resonate with their readers, as a substantive counter to the most recent revelations in the Sussmann case it falls flat.

Only corrupt, bigoted and hate-filled Trump/America haters buy into this talking point...

In doing so, it revealed that “enemies of Donald Trump surveilled the internet traffic at Trump Tower, at his New York City apartment building, and later at the executive office of the president of the United States, then fed disinformation about that traffic to intelligence agencies hoping to frame Trump as a Russia-connected stooge.”
https://thefederalist.com/2022/02/18/5-media-lies-about-the-latest-special-counsel-revelations/

Once again, Democrats are being out'ed as the conniving liars that they are...

Here are five examples of how desperate Democrats are to make the facts go away..

Actually, when one takes into account vick's complete and utter STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS bullshit, there are six....

Can Dems Dodge Doomsday?

The Democrats are stepping all over themselves. And Republicans are doing all they can to prevent the Democrats from accomplishing anything, and then are trashing them for not doing anything. Voters like to punish the people in power. So if the Democrats don’t figure it out, Jim Jordan is going to be running the House and pushing investigations of Biden and Hillary. They can’t quit her.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/19/opinion/democrats-biden-voters.html

I see quite a few Impeachments in Biden's future.. :D

Democrats gonna reap what they sow'ed...

It is hard to understand, for those not on the ground, what it is like living in the section of downtown Ottawa occupied by the so-called Freedom Convoy of anti-government protesters. Residents tell stories of harassment, being kept awake by almost constant honking and feeling as if they are trapped within their own homes. The encampment itself is reported to be both a “state within a state” of co-ordinated services such as medics, electricians and healthcare as well as an unlawful street party, with sound stages, hot dogs and even a couple of saunas.
https://www.ft.com/content/1f83d3dc-a95b-4947-92ba-4f08899228a3?segmentId=b385c2ad-87ed-d8ff-aaec-0f8435cd42d9

It's funny to see ya'all's reactions to the Canadian Trucker Protest and compare those reactions to ya'all's acceptance and support of AntiFa insurrections in Seattle and Portland...

Thereby once again proving beyond any doubt..

It's SOLELY about political ideology..

Ya'all condemn actions by one group that is not politically acceptable to ya'all and condone, support and advocate actions by another group that IS politically acceptable to ya'all..

And the actions are the exact same actions.. :^/ Actually, the Canadian Truckers protest are a damn sight better than AntiFa's violent actions where people were injured and killed..

And she CAN'T be allowed to evade such accountability by giving her the legal option to kill her baby..

Whether she kills the baby at 6 weeks gestation or kills the baby at 1 week after birth..

A person has rights, but they also have a responsibility to be accountable for their actions.

Exactly.. And if a woman makes the choice to participate in an activity that could result in a baby being created (her actions) then she needs to be held accountable for those freely chosen actions..

I am glad to see you agree with me...

Captain's Log STARDATE 02202022.05.. Acting Captain JL in command of the USS Enterprise recording. We've come across an object in space that is blocking our path. Mr Spock says it's life, but I am not sure.. Since going around it would add hours onto our journey and would be damn inconvenient, I have opted to rip that thing apart, even though I am not sure if it's a sentient life or not...

Mr Sulu, Mr Chekov.. Full phaser fire and spread of photon torpedoes.. Let's rip this sucker apart...

:^/

W.W.J.T.K.D

The woman DOES have the choice to participate or not participate in an activity that could result in pregnancy.

There's her choice.. Once she makes that choice then she should be forced to live with that choice.. Sure we can carve out exceptions for the health of the mother. That's logical.. But once the woman makes *HER CHOICE* she should not be allowed to back out of that choice when the consequences are inconvenient..

So, we have established that the woman has the right to choose.. But also has the responsibility of accepting consequences of that choice..

Now, we move on to the science..

At conception, a baby has it's own unique DNA..

At 6 weeks, a baby has it's own unique heartbeat..

At 17 weeks, a baby has it's own unique fingerprints..

As such, the SCIENCE proves that it's no longer the woman's body at issue here.. The baby is it's own unique body. And, as such, the woman has no more say over killing that baby than she should 1 week after actual birth..

Morally or ethically, there is no difference between killing a baby at 6 weeks gestationally and killing a baby at 1 week post birth...

Facts and science....

OK.. Fair enough.. The SCIENCE proves it is it's own human life, but OK.. Sure.. You are not sure..

Since you are not sure, shouldn't you err on the side of SAVING life??? What is the inconvenience of the mother when compared to taking an innocent life???

I mean, think about it.. You're not sure yet you decide anyways that ripping this new baby apart is the correct choice??

Dood!!???

any more than my pinky toe is a human life.

Yer pinky toe does not have it's own unique DNA nor it's own unique heartbeat..

I am surprised I have to explain this.. :^/

And even if one were to presume that a fetus is a person, does that by necessity oblige every woman to allow it to spend nine months using her body for its own purposes?

The woman made the choice to participate in an activity where she knew FULL WELL this could happen..

So, yes.. The woman is obligated to accept the consequences of her CHOICE...

Let's say AOC gets pregnant and by some freakish coincidence the only way for it to survive would be to transplant it into you. Do you consent?

Of course not.. *I* have a choice.. Just like AOC had a choice when she paid someone to frak her...

Now AOC has to live with the consequences of her choice. She should not be allowed to be able to resort to murder to avoid the consequences of her choice..

"Simple logic..."
-Admiral James T. Kirk

While I'm not comfortable with the all-to-frequent cheap WWII comparisons we see, I'm wondering if the proper framing for the Pro-Putin Right Wing faction (Carlson, Vance, etc) is to evoke [all-caps apologies]

Actually, it's Biden et al who are the Pro Putin faction..

Even with all that Putin has done, Biden and the Democrats **STILL** support the Nord Stream 2 pipeline..

So, as usual, you are wrong, Speak2....

And here I thought such ridiculousness facetiousness was beneath you..

At least, I concede when I am annoyingly facetious.. :D

The simple facts are these..

At conception, a baby has it's own unique DNA

At 6 weeks, a baby has it's own unique heartbeat

At 17 weeks, a baby has it's own unique fingerprints.

This is the SCIENCE that you people claim to be all about..

Now, ya'all can dehumanize the baby all you want.. Call it a feotus, a zygote or whatever.. It's a tried and true technique used by serial killers on their victims since time immemorial.. So, have at it..

But the FACTS and the SCIENCE remains..

It's a baby.. A living person who doesn't deserve to be torn apart or slaughtered by the tens of millions..

If ya'all can live with yourselves by supporting such a barbaric act?? Then more power to ya... :^/

But nothing will change the facts or the science..

And Roe v Wade is going to be thrown on the trash heap of history where it belongs..

Stay safe; Peace.

CW has always done a great job at "framing the narrative." Certainly better than most of the political and so-called professional left does. For many of us, that's why we're still here (since the aughts for some of us, I think).

While I'm not comfortable with the all-to-frequent cheap WWII comparisons we see, I'm wondering if the proper framing for the Pro-Putin Right Wing faction (Carlson, Vance, etc) is to evoke [all-caps apologies] "APPEASEMENT!"

What do you all think?

Manchin singlehandedly stopped the Child Tax Credit payments that had gone out last year from continuing this year. And now the data is in, and it is brutal. The monthly child poverty rate increased nationwide by an astounding 40 percent in one month alone. This meant 3.7 million children fell below the poverty level in January, which was the first month that the $300-350 C.T.C. payments stopped being mailed out to parents. So those 3.7 million children can all thank Joe Manchin for their fate. For shame, Senator, for shame!

Manchin did NOT single-handedly stop the Child Tax Credit payments — ANY Senator that refused to support this legislation DESIRES for children to suffer… not just Manchin! Democrats must make this a very big part of their 2022 campaigns. Republicans simply do not care about anyone but the rich.

Just because eggs, oil, water, flour, sugar, and fruit filling can all be mixed together and baked to make pie… no one would ever consider it to be a pie until it comes out of the oven. No one is gonna want a piece if you just dump all the ingredients in a bowl and just leave it like that!

Saying that a group of cells is a person the same way that a 35yo man is a person is just ignorant. If personhood begins at conception, then that person can be evicted at any time by the woman carrying it. You cannot force a person to have another living person inside of them. Women have the right to give up their parenting rights if they choose to give birth and that baby is considered a person. We do not allow post-birth abortions regardless of what Pro-Birthers try to claim.

And it is ridiculous to think that corporations are people. Until those who make the decisions (profits) can be held accountable for the crimes committed by the corporation/person, then they are not truly a person. A person has rights, but they also have a responsibility to be accountable for their actions. If a corporation does not meet both requirements, then they should not be granted one while sidestepping the other.

An innocent HUMAN life... :^/