Then what???

Whoops, forgot to paste this in above before I hit submit comment:

So the FPPA “will define a fetus as a person under the law with all the rights and protections under the law”. Then what?

Here’s “WHAT”:

Any woman who rents a residence that restricts the number of people allowed to reside in the place could find themselves being evicted for violating their lease once they become pregnant.

Seatbelt laws will become much stricter as violations will basically be child endangerment.

If a pregnant woman has a miscarriage, the medical examiner will have to conduct an autopsy to make sure the mother is not responsible for the unborn’s death.

The sperm donor responsible for this new person can demand that he be granted immediate visitation rights since we are now treating the fetus like a baby that has been borne. Even in cases where the father is accused of sexual assault, they haven’t been found guilty by the courts…so they do have parenting rights.

Sex with a pregnant woman will bring about sexual assault on a child charges if you insist that the pregnant woman is actually two separate individuals in a single body.

I mean, if you want to talk about the SCIENCE, I refer you to the DNA/HEARTBEAT/FINGERPRINT science above..

I finally get why you have insisted to constantly repeat that at 6 weeks, the unborn has a unique heartbeat. But it took you placing it with DNA and fingerprints to realize that because “unique” for them means it is a way to identify them as one of a kind… a “unique” heartbeat must refer to an individual’s heartbeat that identifies them and them alone.

Uhhhhmmmm.. no. A “unique” heartbeat means that the fetus has a detectable heartbeat separate from the mother’s… that is ALL! You don’t have a heart rhythm that is unique to you and you alone or that can be used to identify an individual, sorry.

MORALLY.... ETHICALLY... There is NO DIFFERENCE between killing a baby at 6 weeks gestation and killing a baby at 1 week after birth..

I thought you understood that our legal system and laws represent the moral and ethical beliefs that our country hold dear. Morality and ethics are the cornerstones upon which our laws are created.

You obviously didn't even bother to read the relative article did you??

Says the person who posts articles all the time that unexplainably contradict the argument he is trying to make! And I was responding to YOUR COMMENTS… Not a sentence in the article that — once again — seem to contradict the arguments you have been making up until this point. Seriously, you have changed the goal posts multiple times during our conversations regarding this topic; but each time you have done it I have neutralized your new arguments just as quickly as the others.

They are a political organization that has politicized this pandemic..

As such, they are not trustworthy...

As in no longer worthy of trust..

All I can go by is personal experience..

And personal experience says that COVID ain't all that.. :D

I see you haven't visited the WHO site, yet. ;)

Getting a little sick from a vaccine is not the same as dying from an infectious disease.

I thought you knew that.

And yet very few are dying from the infectious disease...

The VAST MAJORITY of the death toll is from pre-existing conditions..

This is documented as fact..

Further, Democrats hurt their own case by politicizing the whole thing..

As Democrats are finding out now..

Democrats' internal polling shows swing voters believe party went 'too far' on COVID

The DCCC, which is the main campaign arm for House Democrats and is currently chaired by New York Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, worked with outside consulting groups to conduct an online poll of voters in the 60 most competitive House districts for the upcoming 2022 midterms. The poll was conducted from mid-January to early February, had approximately 1,000 respondents and a 3.1% margin of error.
https://www.sfgate.com/national-politics/article/Democrats-polling-reveals-COVID-warning-16927032.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

The simple fact is, Democrat exaggerated the danger of COVID solely for political gain...

And now they are paying the price for that...

As well they should...

Getting a little sick from a vaccine is not the same as dying from an infectious disease.

I thought you knew that.

Let's try a commentary discussion that has NO personal attacks.. Anyone else wanna try??

The real story of “Don’t Look Up”

I reached out to longtime journalist David Sirota, who co-wrote the film — and can now add Academy Award nominee to his resume — for the latest episode of Vox Conversations. We discuss the critical responses to the film (and the tiffs he’s had over them), what he thought the movie was really trying to say, and whether he feels more or less optimistic about our situation after watching the world take the movie in.
https://www.vox.com/vox-conversations-podcast/22922423/vox-conversations-dont-look-up-oscars-david-sirota

Anyone else see this movie??

It was actually pretty good.. The wife and I loved it.. It had some funny parts and, considering what passes for movies these days (Why, Bruce, why?? Did you just need a paycheck???) it was pretty enjoyable..

But as social commentary??

I hadn't put it in that context, but it IS pretty biting against elitists and such...

Anyone else's take???

Yea, JM tried that same bullshit argument... I shut him down too..

So, basically what you are saying that, since the GOP doesn't like kids after they are born (a claim you have absolutely NO FACTS to support which the events in VA and in schools today TOTALLY demolishes) that you are perfectly OK with killing kids BEFORE they are born..

Yea.... GREAT reasoning there, Bashi... :^/

Pretty much a universal truth with anti-abortion types, the unborn are sacred, the post born can go fuck themselves.

Unless you are claiming that religion is everything...

Is THAT what you are saying???

"Ignoring" my comments again!!! :D

The Abortion Question comes down to whether you agree or disagree that freedom of Religion is meaningless unless that includes freedom from other people's religions.

ABORTION has absolutely NOTHING to do with religion..

It has to do with the concept that life is sacred..

Even yer life, cad...

If your religion forbids abortion you don't have the right to impose your beliefs on anybody else, period.

Which has NOTHING to do with the topic under discussion..

Good work, peeps!

Abortion wasn't the focus of CW's column but there lots to like in your observations.

Yer welcome..

I am the Weigantian™ Freedom Fighter!!! :D

So, lemme ask you, cad..

How is wanting to stop Democrats from murdering babies about religion???

Can you answer that???

Since you are now obviously back to addressing my comments you should have no problem coming up with facts to support your claims..

Abortion wasn't the focus of CW's column but there lots to like in your observations.

If your religion forbids abortion you don't have the right to impose your beliefs on anybody else, period.

Besides, we're only talking about making abortions more difficult and dangerous for poor women in red states, max. When your Pastor knocks up the church secretary he's not going to have any problem getting that taken care of, hello?

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence.

Let's look ahead to 2025 when President Trump is in the Oval Office and the GOP owns Congress..

They pass a FETAL PERSON PROTECTION ACT which will define a fetus as a person under the law with all the rights and protections under the law..

Then what???

I mean, if you want to talk about the SCIENCE, I refer you to the DNA/HEARTBEAT/FINGERPRINT science above..

to my knowledge, the covid vaccine has never killed anyone.

Your knowledge is incomplete..

Since December 2020, more than 469 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine have been administered in the U.S., and VAERS has received 10,483 reports of death (0.0022%), according to the CDC.

catching covid, on the other hand, has killed six million people.

Not factually accurate.. There can be no way to determine if people with comorbidities would have died anyways..

What IS factually accurate.. What IS possible to determine is that COVID itself has killed only 5% of the total..

Further, the reporting agencies have politicized COVID, so there is really no way to know the actual facts.

When you have vehicle accident deaths and other non-COVID related deaths reported as COVID deaths, you know the "facts" from the political entities are suspect...

. so yeah, i'd absolutely deny anyone the right to put other people's lives at risk by refusing to chance getting sick for a few days.

Really?? So, since flu can kill MANY more people than the average run o the mill pandemic, would you support FORCING people to get a flu vaccine??

Where would you draw the line???

Especially when you consider the FACT that the COVID pandemic has been so politicized and we are now learning so much about what was done, so many liberties restricted, that WASN'T supported by the science....

How about forced sterilization of Democrats so they can't reproduce?? You down with that?? :D

I am.. :D

i've never heard of anyone who actually likes abortion.

First off, Russ appears to LOVE abortion.. It's understandable.. He's a Democrat and Democrats hate kids...

Secondly, you are not up on current events..

I suggest you research #SHOUT OUT YOUR ABORTION and #CELEBRATE YOUR ABORTION..

Sounds like THOSE people simply LOVE abortion... Whatser' name?? Alyssa Milano?? She LOVES abortion...

it doesn't stop the practice, just moves it into the shadows where desperate young women put their life and health in the hands of criminals.

So??? That's like arguing for making MURDER legal, since we can't prevent it anyways..

Come to think of it, that is EXACTLY what Democrats want in abortion.. Making murder legal... If people turn to the criminal element and they get hurt/killed, then that's on them... Iddn't it...

Maybe not using abortion as birth control is not the best solution, eh??

a foetus is not a person. it doesn't even begin to be able to feel pain until around 26 weeks, because it doesn't have a nervous system yet.

So, yer definition of a "person" is someone who feels pain???

So... Someone with CIPA isn't a "person" and they can be killed out of hand??

Of course, I am being annoyingly facetious, but you see my point..

Whenever you start creating definitions out of thin air to justify killing a person, it's a slippery slope indeed..

Unique DNA at conception...

Unique heartbeat at 6 weeks...

Unique fingerprints at 17 weeks...

Sounds like a person to me....

Finally, it's also interesting to note that Democrats are right up there with Iran and North Korea in allowing on-demand abortion right up until birth.. :^/

And still the question remains..

Morally or ethically...

What is the difference between killing a baby at 6 weeks gestation and killing a baby at 1 week post birth???

Answer: Morally or ethically, there isn't any difference...

a foetus is not a person. it doesn't even begin to be able to feel pain until around 26 weeks, because it doesn't have a nervous system yet.

FYI...

I would recommend the World Health Organization as a great place to start when it comes to understanding all you need to know about how vaccines work, in particular, and about global public health, in particular.

And, be sure not to miss the virtual press conferences which have been exceedingly enlightening - not necessarily by the questions asked by the journalists but always by the in-depth and comprehensive answers given by the public health scientists of the WHO.

Co-host of ABC's "The View" Joy Behar declared Thursday that she would continue to wear a mask "indefinitely" when in public places despite the continuously dropping number of coronavirus cases across the country or any potential easing of masking guidelines.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-view-joy-behar-mask-indefinitely-public-places

In other words, Behar is a moron who ignores science and is just intent on virtue signaling and being politically correct.. :^/

Whatever happened to your bimbo "friend"??

BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Once again.. You are proven to be FULL OF SHIT!! :D

Trudeau said in his press conference that he's not going to call in the military, and we were all laughing because our response was, "Yeah, you tried that last week and the military said, ‘Thanks, but no thanks – this is not in within our purview.’" And many of us have families in military and policing, and that's how we found out. So you know what they say? A general without an army is a fool. Justin Trudeau just hasn't realized that yet.
-BENJAMIN DICHTER, Canadian Trucker

Adolph Trudeau is the laughing stock of Canada...

A little man trying to act tough...

If Democrats can't kill babies in the womb...

https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/stg021522dAPC20220215014510.jpg

Then they commit child abuse in school...

https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/afb021722dAPR20220217054504.jpg

THAT sums it up PERFECTLY for Democrats..

Honestly, people.. How do you expect ANYTHING but a total and complete shellacking of Democrats in November??

With this move there is a notable shift in focus. The killing of the child—the gravest matter that brought forth the law—is displaced as the main question of harm and justice. The harm ­done to the fetus is replaced with the harm visited on the people and state legislatures, as they are now deprived of their right to determine how much weight might be given to the life of a child when it is set against the interests and convenience of a pregnant woman.

Even though Russ tried to obfuscate the facts (IE spew bullshit) the simply fact of this is that it's a BABY'S LIFE we are talking about..

How ANYONE can sit there and type about how awesome it is to kill an innocent baby??

It's simply mind-boggling...

But one way or another, whether Roe is overturned, scaled back dramatically, or set on a path toward reversal, people will be invited to ­deliberate again about just how much protection they are willing to accord a child in the womb. Put another way, they will be invited to judge just who will be protected by their laws against homicide. For this reason, it matters profoundly how the issue of abortion is framed by the Court and sent back for the people in the various states to ponder anew.
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2022/03/on-overruling-roe

No matter how ya slice it...

Roe is going down...

TENS OF MILLIONS of babies have been killed..

But, finally... The killing will end..

"So say we all"

Eight of the 15 highest scoring states reformed their laws in 2021 while the bottom 20 scoring states made no changes at all.

Let's play that one for the cheap seats...

unscientific micromanagement of nearly every aspect of society and sector of the economy, all in the name of “doing something” to stop the virus; facts, science, logic and livelihoods be damned.

That is going to be the epitaph on the gravestone of the Democrat Party...

unscientific micromanagement of nearly every aspect of society and sector of the economy, all in the name of “doing something” to stop the virus; facts, science, logic and livelihoods be damned.

As I have proven beyond ANY doubt whatsoever...

Democrat "science" is nothing but poorly disguised Democrat activism..

SILENCE GIVES ASSENT

In Maine, Gov. Janet Mills – like many governors – issued nonsensical rules that had no backing in science. At one point, Mainers could only golf in their home county unless they were a member of a golf club in a different county. There is no evidence that golfing contributes in any measurable or significant way to the spread of COVID-19, but Mainers’ freedom to do so was nonetheless curtailed by their governor.

The complete and utter STOOPIDITY of Democrats...

ALL of the facts regarding the absurdity and downright maliciousness of Democrats and their fascist gestapo tactics is going to come out in the leadup to the November elections..

Democrats will be lucky to get themselves elected dog-catcher..

The Democrats are losing their wedge issue...

The Covid State is Crumbling.

Although most states will have ended their emergencies within the next week, many continue to grapple with finding the proper balance of power between the legislative and executive branches during an emergency.
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2022/02/17/the_covid_state_is_crumbling_state_legislatures_must_continue_to_curb_emergency_executive_power_817114.html

The Democrat Party Power Trip is over...

The facts will come out on how badly Democrats ignored the science and abused their political power...

Masks didn't help and actively harmed..

Vaccine was useless..

Mandates and lock downs did more harm then good..

The Democrat Party is facing extinction...

"I really don't want to get sick.. I really don't want to get sick... Oh.. Wait.. Let me go get purposely sick.."

Where is the logic??

I mean, both of ya'all had said how utterly crappy the "vaccine" made you feel..

You DO realize that, even if you GOT Covid, the symptoms would be very mild, right??? I am living proof of that..

So, in essence, it's more than likely that the "vaccine" made you feel WORSE than actually getting COVID, eh??

Further, the immunities you would get from actually getting COVID would be MUCH better than than anything you would get from a "vaccine"...

Given these facts, it's amazing that people opt for a "vaccine" that, all things being equal, would make them feel worse than actually getting sick..

But hay.. It's ya'all's choice.. I respect that..

Just as ya'all should respect a person's choice NOT to make themselves sicker, eh?? That's how it works..

Right???

the moderna booster was a doozy. i took my shot sunday, and even thursday night i'm still feeling it a little in my muscles and joints. this vaccine is no joke.

Ditto for the Pfizer booster - "it nearly killed me."

I have never understood a persons desire to make themselves sick to prevent getting sick...

It's mind-boggling..

And a “baby” does not exist 6 weeks after conception. It’s a clump of cells called a zygote. So you are arguing that morally and ethically there is no difference between one thing that does not exist as you describe it and one that can exist.

You can call the baby a zygote if you wish.. But it's still a baby with it's own unique heartbeat..

Why are you so intent on helping women murder innocent babies, Russ??

Really? Our legal system disagrees.

And, AGAIN, with the lack of reading comprehension..

Did I say LEGALLY?? No, I did not..

Let me repeat it slowly for you.. So you can understand..

MORALLY.... ETHICALLY... There is NO DIFFERENCE between killing a baby at 6 weeks gestation and killing a baby at 1 week after birth..

Now, do you want to address what I actually said???

Or do you want to continue showing everyone what a moron you are??

I am not so sure that the unborn child would wish to be born if they knew what was waiting for them.

You obviously didn't even bother to read the relative article did you??

Florida's bill contains exceptions if the abortion is necessary to save a mother’s life, prevent serious injury to the mother or if the fetus has a fatal abnormality. The state currently allows abortions up to 24 weeks of pregnancy.

Why do you insist on display such butt-ugly ignorance, eh Russ??

Moron :^/

I had no reaction from the first (Pfizer) nor from the second (Moderna) but, you know, the third one made for a helluva lot of vaccine in one year. No more for me! For at least another year, anyways.

I voted! :)