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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2021 15:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Could have been the whiskey. Might have been the gin, coulda been the ... &quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2021 13:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay,okay ... the Irish Rovers, too. At least, I know who they are! I even used to watch them on the TV. Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay,okay ... the Irish Rovers, too. At least, I know who they are! I even used to watch them on the TV. Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/10/05/getting-the-media-beyond-the-number/#comment-180712</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2021 13:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CRS, well, that&#039;s blusey enough so come on out this Sunday Night and play your favourite ABBA tunes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CRS, well, that's blusey enough so come on out this Sunday Night and play your favourite ABBA tunes!</p>
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		<title>By: C. R. Stucki</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. R. Stucki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2021 04:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cad  [12]

Please explain for me, What is the mechanism by which you believe &#039;the rich&#039; (&quot;Amazon, Facebook and Google&quot;) get rich at your expense?  If you think Bezos is overcharging/cheating you when you buy from Amazon, why do you keep doing it?  And you do not ever buy anything from Facebook or Google, right?  So how do those two profit at your expense?

Liz  [11]

What is/are &quot;the Blues&quot;?  If you&#039;re asking me about what music I listen to, it would be ABBA and The Irish Rovers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cad  [12]</p>
<p>Please explain for me, What is the mechanism by which you believe 'the rich' ("Amazon, Facebook and Google") get rich at your expense?  If you think Bezos is overcharging/cheating you when you buy from Amazon, why do you keep doing it?  And you do not ever buy anything from Facebook or Google, right?  So how do those two profit at your expense?</p>
<p>Liz  [11]</p>
<p>What is/are "the Blues"?  If you're asking me about what music I listen to, it would be ABBA and The Irish Rovers.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 23:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Caddy, I think your idea in [1] is going to be what happens!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Caddy, I think your idea in [1] is going to be what happens!</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 23:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...far better to SPREAD as much prosperity...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"...far better to SPREAD as much prosperity..."</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 23:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mean to boldify all the text. 








This is the great fallacy of &quot;Trickle Down.&quot; Far better to spend as much prosperity among all 100% of Americans so that people can buy ribs,  which employees more people etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn't mean to boldify all the text. </p>
<p>This is the great fallacy of "Trickle Down." Far better to spend as much prosperity among all 100% of Americans so that people can buy ribs,  which employees more people etc.</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 22:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[6]










C.R. Stucki wrote,









&lt;i&gt;WOW! Whoda ever guessed, that if you poll people with the question &quot;Would you like to be made much better off at somebody else&#039;s expense?&quot;, that most people would be all in favor???&lt;/i&gt;














But the rich have been &quot;made better off at somebody else&#039;s [read us 90%-er&#039;expense]&quot; going back to Reagan&#039;s tax cuts. I would note that since Reagan the top 10% has blossomed while the bottom 90% has been treading water, flatlining.&lt;b&gt; And flatlining  in an environment of crumbling infrastructure, skyrocketing healthcare and college expenses and so on. 








Where does the money come from that makes the rich rich, Stuck? From the rest of us who use Facebook and Amazon and Google, of course. Rich people don&#039;t get richer off of other rich people. One reason the Middle class grew so historically strong in the 50s and 60s is that the top marginal rate remained at the wartime rate 91%. 















Concentrating wealth in the top 10% means that the other 90% has less to spend. And less to spend means less wealth for everybody,  ultimately the fat cats, too.</description>
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<p>C.R. Stucki wrote,</p>
<p><i>WOW! Whoda ever guessed, that if you poll people with the question "Would you like to be made much better off at somebody else's expense?", that most people would be all in favor???</i></p>
<p>But the rich have been "made better off at somebody else's [read us 90%-er'expense]" going back to Reagan's tax cuts. I would note that since Reagan the top 10% has blossomed while the bottom 90% has been treading water, flatlining.<b> And flatlining  in an environment of crumbling infrastructure, skyrocketing healthcare and college expenses and so on. </p>
<p>Where does the money come from that makes the rich rich, Stuck? From the rest of us who use Facebook and Amazon and Google, of course. Rich people don't get richer off of other rich people. One reason the Middle class grew so historically strong in the 50s and 60s is that the top marginal rate remained at the wartime rate 91%. </p>
<p>Concentrating wealth in the top 10% means that the other 90% has less to spend. And less to spend means less wealth for everybody,  ultimately the fat cats, too.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 22:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CRS,

Do you like the Blues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CRS,</p>
<p>Do you like the Blues?</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 22:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CRS,

Surely you don&#039;t believe what you read in those discourses!

Besides, Biden always says that nothing is going to change for &quot;The rich and Corporations&quot;. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CRS,</p>
<p>Surely you don't believe what you read in those discourses!</p>
<p>Besides, Biden always says that nothing is going to change for "The rich and Corporations". :)</p>
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		<title>By: C. R. Stucki</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/10/05/getting-the-media-beyond-the-number/#comment-180697</link>
		<dc:creator>C. R. Stucki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 17:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liz

Don&#039;t you follow this stuff on the news?  The standard answer to that would be &quot;The rich and Corporations&quot;, wouldn&#039;t it?  I&#039;ve read that a dozen times or more, in Democratic&#039;s discourses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz</p>
<p>Don't you follow this stuff on the news?  The standard answer to that would be "The rich and Corporations", wouldn't it?  I've read that a dozen times or more, in Democratic's discourses.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;ll bite ... at whose expense, exactly, CRS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I'll bite ... at whose expense, exactly, CRS?</p>
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		<title>By: C. R. Stucki</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/10/05/getting-the-media-beyond-the-number/#comment-180694</link>
		<dc:creator>C. R. Stucki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re  &quot;All the elements (of Biden&#039;s economic program) of which public polling indicates overwhelming approval.&quot;


WOW!  Whoda ever guessed, that if you poll people with the question &quot;Would you like to be made much better off at somebody else&#039;s expense?&quot;, that most people would be all in favor???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re  "All the elements (of Biden's economic program) of which public polling indicates overwhelming approval."</p>
<p>WOW!  Whoda ever guessed, that if you poll people with the question "Would you like to be made much better off at somebody else's expense?", that most people would be all in favor???</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 03:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[4]







I had you in mind when I chose the word&quot;pox&quot; instead of the f-bomb.</description>
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<p>I had you in mind when I chose the word"pox" instead of the f-bomb.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/10/05/getting-the-media-beyond-the-number/#comment-180692</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 03:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caddy [1],

Very well reasoned - makes perfect sense to me.</description>
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<p>Very well reasoned - makes perfect sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 00:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I still say to Senate Democrats, 










&lt;i&gt;Don&#039;t try to raise the debt limit via Reconciliation. Instead, March right up to the edge of the abyss and dare the Repugs to continue their Filibuster. Even better, if #MoscowMitch plays Chicken right up to impact, dare Manchin to not abolish the Filibuster.

















We Progs have been waiting for legislation like this since before Gore lost. This time it&#039;s somebody else&#039;s turn to fold. A pox on both Clinton&#039;s, a pox on Obama and a pox on DINOs everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I still say to Senate Democrats, </p>
<p><i>Don't try to raise the debt limit via Reconciliation. Instead, March right up to the edge of the abyss and dare the Repugs to continue their Filibuster. Even better, if #MoscowMitch plays Chicken right up to impact, dare Manchin to not abolish the Filibuster.</p>
<p>We Progs have been waiting for legislation like this since before Gore lost. This time it's somebody else's turn to fold. A pox on both Clinton's, a pox on Obama and a pox on DINOs everywhere.</i></p>
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		<title>By: John M from Ct.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M from Ct.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 00:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, more or less, that one reason there&#039;s been so little media coverage of the benefits of the soft-infrastructure bill is that it&#039;s not yet clear which elements of the portfolio are actually still going to be in the bill when the sausages finally come out of the machine and go on sale at the meat counter. I&#039;ve been pretty angry about this, and I admit I hadn&#039;t thought of your explanation, which makes moderate sense.

On the other hand, more discussion of the plain and popular benefits of the various sub-sections would seem to have been a good way to maintain pressure on the more conservative members and/or the two senators. And yes, the Dems are notoriously bad at selling the benefits of government programs that benefit most Americans.

Another aspect of the story, which got just a little coverage in the NY Times today, is the incredible offensive push by lobbyists for corporate and/or wealthy America to beat this bill down, due to its relative downsides for them. This kind of thing doesn&#039;t take place in public, for obvious reasons, and it takes pretty dedicated reporters with a real nose for the money to bring out to the public just how hard some wealthy and resourceful agencies are fighting to defeat the soft-infrastructure bill in committee, before it emerges from the afore-mentioned greasy machine.

It would be nice to think that the professional American media could see an upside to dedicated if difficult reporting about how lobbyists and influence-peddlers work to defeat popular and much-needed legislation on a regular basis. But if it ain&#039;t either sexy or really easy to explain, it doesn&#039;t get covered. That&#039;s the way it is.

Nice piece today, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, more or less, that one reason there's been so little media coverage of the benefits of the soft-infrastructure bill is that it's not yet clear which elements of the portfolio are actually still going to be in the bill when the sausages finally come out of the machine and go on sale at the meat counter. I've been pretty angry about this, and I admit I hadn't thought of your explanation, which makes moderate sense.</p>
<p>On the other hand, more discussion of the plain and popular benefits of the various sub-sections would seem to have been a good way to maintain pressure on the more conservative members and/or the two senators. And yes, the Dems are notoriously bad at selling the benefits of government programs that benefit most Americans.</p>
<p>Another aspect of the story, which got just a little coverage in the NY Times today, is the incredible offensive push by lobbyists for corporate and/or wealthy America to beat this bill down, due to its relative downsides for them. This kind of thing doesn't take place in public, for obvious reasons, and it takes pretty dedicated reporters with a real nose for the money to bring out to the public just how hard some wealthy and resourceful agencies are fighting to defeat the soft-infrastructure bill in committee, before it emerges from the afore-mentioned greasy machine.</p>
<p>It would be nice to think that the professional American media could see an upside to dedicated if difficult reporting about how lobbyists and influence-peddlers work to defeat popular and much-needed legislation on a regular basis. But if it ain't either sexy or really easy to explain, it doesn't get covered. That's the way it is.</p>
<p>Nice piece today, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 00:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m none too happy that the Progressives are softening. It started at $6T, after all.









I&#039;m a huge proponent of not slashing a single program and simply scaling back the number of years that are funded. Let&#039;s say the magic number turns out to be $2.8T. That&#039;s 80% of $3.5T, so just  put an eight year sunset on it. Or five years or whatever, just so long as each program is fully funded at $3.5T levels.  &lt;b&gt;Make it bold and transformative and the Repugs won&#039;t be able to take it away.&lt;/b&gt;









Democrats can even claim that &lt;b&gt;although fully funded by tax increases on the rich and corporations&lt;/b&gt; &quot;out of respect for fiscal concerns they&#039;re shortening the program length to allow for a revaluation of these programs, when that time comes&quot;











When
here&#039;s no way the</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm none too happy that the Progressives are softening. It started at $6T, after all.</p>
<p>I'm a huge proponent of not slashing a single program and simply scaling back the number of years that are funded. Let's say the magic number turns out to be $2.8T. That's 80% of $3.5T, so just  put an eight year sunset on it. Or five years or whatever, just so long as each program is fully funded at $3.5T levels.  <b>Make it bold and transformative and the Repugs won't be able to take it away.</b></p>
<p>Democrats can even claim that <b>although fully funded by tax increases on the rich and corporations</b> "out of respect for fiscal concerns they're shortening the program length to allow for a revaluation of these programs, when that time comes"</p>
<p>When<br />
here's no way the</p>
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