Forgot to give you the context that global warming/climate change is high on my list too. I wish Obama-Biden -- and every other administration -- would have/could have done more.

In future years when we're "grading" Biden-Harris, let's factor in the Trump COVID shitshow and con, coup, etc. Also, we should definitely factor in that Biden-Harris had the benefit of "20/20 hindsight" and the obvious "been there, done that, not falling for this bullshit again" from the right wingnuts who're actively killing Americans with their hysterical science denying propagandizing bullshit. The right-wing stupid goes bone-deep... and it burns.

Joe was VP in the vastly disappointing Obama administration (remember Hope and Change -- what a joke!) and cannot be disassociated from it's lackluster results.

I take no pleasure in defending politicians, but these type of "hindsight is 20/20" articles that focus on political "failures" with precious little of factoring in history are generally one-sided self-serving pieces of puff and fluff. Obama-Biden or [insert administration's name here] didn't do enough regarding [insert plethora of pet project/issues here] and is therefore an abject failure... as if they could have easily snapped their fingers and made it happen but chose to not do that.

Hindsight is 20/20, of course, but whenever one reads the ramblings of activists whining about their [insert "never-enough attention" toward "my precious"], people should try factoring in history... yes, history.

Here's how it works: When Obama-Biden took office, millions of people were losing their jobs, America was facing the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, industries were laying off workers in giant chunks and moving overseas and/or closing their doors altogether, auto industry in free fall, economy spiraling straight toward hell... you get the idea. Now ask yourself "Why, oh why"... didn't Obama-Biden do more about climate change [or insert "the precious" issue here]?

Obama had secured the Kennedy's endorsement by promising Ted that he would make the passage of health care his highest priority... a promise the other candidate refused to make, and the rest is history. Ted Kennedy then suffered a seizure on Obama's inauguration day, etc., and Obama eventually kept his word. However, the vast majority of focus of the early Obama-Biden administration was quite obviously not their choice: the free-falling economy, getting millions and millions of people back to work, and the veritable international shitshow left by the Bush administration.

Their priorities were saving American's livelihoods, restoring faith in the lousy free-falling economy, stopping the spiraling unemployment, health care, and the shit-ton of climate deniers being swept into office in 2010 didn't help that cause. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that Republicans are science deniers on multiple levels.

Nevertheless and still:

* Obama-Biden included $90 billion for clean energy in the stimulus package.
* Obama-Biden reached agreement with auto companies on fuel economy.
* Obama-Biden opposed the Keystone XL pipeline (yes, after "riding the fence" early on)
* Climate deal with China
* Paris accord
* Lots of executive orders
* 23 national monuments (presidential reccord)

Help from Congress? Nonexistent.

So to recap:

* Context... it matters
* History

These quotes came from a Guardian article titled Remember Obama’s drill, baby, drill days? Democrats aren’t innocent on climate.

You can try to tout Obama’s support for stuff like the Paris accords and electric vehicles, but his own boasts illustrate a record of climate denialism, as did Obama’s 2018 declaration one month after an IPCC sounded an alarm. Amid the worsening emergency, he told a Texas audience that “suddenly America is like, the biggest oil producer. That was me, people … just say, ‘Thank you,’ please."

The Obama administration’s top-line goal was to prove to Washington pundits and corporate donors that the Democratic party will always prioritize compromise – even when it means compromising the lifespans of millions of people.

Joe was VP in the vastly disappointing Obama administration (remember Hope and Change -- what a joke!) and cannot be disassociated from it's lackluster results.

NOW,
Joe has always positioned himself in the center of the Party. The Party has moved left and Joe has gone along, and that gives me hope.

BUT,
Seeing is believing. If Joe addresses Climate Change, gets Bernie's bill, the For the People and John Lewis Acts passed and significantly raises taxes on our Ownership Class hen I'll believe. No excuses -- action talks and bullshit walks!

Ah, Kick! Where you been, Gurl? I always enjoy it when you kick Delusional Don around the block a couple of times.

Hosanna, Queen of Snark! Hosanna in the highest!

Good deal, CRS! You make good points and distinctions.

Am I correct in assuming that you, er, "lean right?" If do, its good to interact with folks that don't just parrot conservative TV.

CW, I think this is a great stand-alone Talking Point, short and to the point.

I would agree except I cannot think of Democratic hypocrisy anywhere near the scale that Repugs engage in.

But, I don't want to be blinded to problems in my political camp, so please provide me a few examples of serious Democratic hypocrisy, please.

I think a BMI is an idea whose time has come. Lots of wrinkles to iron out in how it would work, pardon the pun. Heh.

Biden has never lied Americans into endless wars. Quite the opposite.

Biden is closer than you are willing to admit here. You have your own reasons for that, I guess.

The infrastructure bills, should they become law, will be a HUGE move in the department of getting things done for the American people. I can't understand why you wouldn't be for all that is in those bills.

It's really hard to take seriously your stance that Biden's actions thus far as president don't even measure up to basic adequacy so I'm not even going to try. :)

You must have some fine economics laws/principles tunes up your sleeve - why not share them with us on Sunday nights!?

Just remember that you can only PLAY them, not discuss them. Heh.

If you want to discuss economics laws/principles and the like with me, please never write the word 'inflation' by itself. In order to have clarity of meaning, the word 'inflation' must always be preceded either by the word 'currency', or the word 'price'. (Not intending to imply that we have to have that discussion, just that without the qualifiers, I'm unable to make a meaningful response.)

No, I never "bitched about inflationary pressures" when Trump passed his tax cuts for the rich. I'm not even bitching about inflation now, merely commenting on how the monetary system works. I'm neither pro nor con about inflation, just an observer. And also on that subject, there is no direct connection between national debt and either kind of inflation. There are indirect connections, depending on how the gov't chooses to finance the deficits that create the debt, but that lecture is more than I care to tackle right now.

Progressive is always governing with the American people in mind and doing what is in their best interests, domestically and internationally.

Do I consider Biden political perfection? No. But, relatively speaking, he's pretty darn close in my book!

I see nothing in Biden that even resembles Biden being progressive.

The ability to "see nothing" is a common affliction for those whose heads are firmly wedged up into their own asses.

You are as delusional as a Trump supporter.

Said the mooch who trolls this forum with his head firmly wedged up into his own ass.

Apparently love is not just blind- it is stupid and devoid of reality.

That certainly explains your own personal bullshit that you prattle on and on about while trolling this forum.

But nearly 90% of Democrats want the medicare for all that was what Bernie was for during the nomination campaign, not just expanded coverage for those that already have medicare.

You might have noticed Bernie is not the president... if your head wasn't wedged so firmly up your own ass.

At least you admit the Deathocrats best argument for this half-measure addressing of symptoms is that the Republikillers will argue against it with their own moosepoop propaganda that is the same exact strategy that commenters here use against One Demand of trying to change the focus of what the argument for One Demand is to some thing that they can argue against.

"Same exact strategy"? Nope -- not even close -- since this article isn't remotely about your own personal bullshit/crusade, and it has that in common with every other article CW has written: Not about you.

This article itself does the same thing by trying to frame the argument that we should settle for a little vaseline instead of demanding that they stop reaming us in the ass.

Said the guy reaming himself, head wedged firmly up his own ass, obsessed with his own bullshit to the extent that it's all he sees in every article when exactly zero of those blog posts pertain to him or his endless love... "stupid and devoid of reality."

show me a politician who is a hypocrite, and i'll show you nearly every politician ever. left, right, center, social, economic, whatever. anyone who thinks massive hypocrisy is only for the other side, has not been paying attention.

JL

When Dems come in (and have to do "cleanup on aisle Dubya" or "cleanup on aisle Cheetogod") ALL OF THE SUDDEN
Repugs "remember" fiscal responsibility.

Got news for you: Governments going back centuries have relied on inflation. It's a natural fact of life and in moderation it has and will continue to work.

Back when Trump gifted the rich with his 2017 tax cut (which added $1.7T to the national debt) were you bitching to high heaven about inflationary pressures? Or are you a typical Republican who doesn't squawk when it's more money for the rich, and the rest of us be damned?

The reality of the situation is that a massive portion of those goodies will in reality be paid for by currency inflation (raising the ratio of money in circulation to the amount of goods and services available in the marketplace), which inevitably creates price inflation, and another considerable portion of the goodies will be paid for by corporations (producers) passing on their taxes to consumers included in the price of everything we buy, making U.S. corporations less able to compete with foreign corporations, sending more jobs overseas.

The first law of economics is "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch", but I never met a Democratic smart enough to comprehend that fact (and actually pathetically few Republicans, for that matter).

Yeah, I'd like to see that be part of Canada's universal healthcare system, too.

Speaking of which, and speaking of infrastructure ... just had a thought ... it happens!

And, this applies to Canada as well ... most countries, including the US and Canada desperately need a MASSIVE investment in public health and public health architecture as the COVID-19 pandemic will not be the last public health crisis we will most certainly have to deal with in our lifetimes. Is this part of Bernie's 'human infrastructure' bill? Because, it should be!

While that may be true, Chris, Biden is far more progressive, in the best sense of the label, than you give him credit for.