Sorry, couldn't resist.

I don't have to prove it. It is common knowledge.

Liar.

Yes. I bring a lot to the table.

What? Lies, cowardice and snake oil?

I did previously provide that reference.

Bullshit. Prove it!

I explained why One Demand is basic democracy.

And you are wrong. I corrected you. Democracy is government by the people, exercised either directly by voting or through elected representatives. OD is advocating how you would like someone to vote and since you have 4 supporters in twice as many years, it is failed advocacy.

You did not explain why it isn't becauseb you can't so you troll.

And a covfefe to you too...

By the way, no one seems to be at all concerned that another commenter told me to fuck off and die.

You missed part of the quote.

Unless you can bring something to the table.

So, can you? All I see is repetitive bullshit you have posted many times and dodges to any and all criticism...

i'm not sure why you think it's somehow a different point. i'm drawing a distinction between people who read your initial pitch and people who examine your plans more closely. there are plenty of positive reactions among the former, and as far as i know not a single solitary supporter among the latter.

"moving on" to better ideas, like pie.

JL

Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

Which also applies to you...

Avoiding discussion with dodges is cowardice by any definition.

OK, you convinced me, you are a coward.

Thank you.

Your welcome, I'm glad you have accepted one demand is snake oil.

That is why I deride CW and the other commenters here when they attempt to deride me for pointing out CW's snake oil propaganda.

Is that what your word salad translates to in your mind?...interesting.

One Demand is basic democracy

No it's not. It is a poorly executed attempt at advocacy that has failed miserably.

i (and i think everyone else here) will concede that your proposal sounds good at first glance, and positive comments exist.

however, your proposal consistently fails on closer examination. i think to convince anyone that people exist who continue to support you after their initial interest leads them to visit your website, you'll have to produce an actual live human being.

your argument [28] using FDR or ralph nader or bernie sanders, is fallacious because none of them are remotely equivalent to you, and none of their programs are remotely equivalent to yours. each of them have (or had) extremely detailed infrastructure, and you don't.

JL

Speaking of [28] can you back up this statement:

FDR said he would not have passed the New Deal if the progressives had not said we will not vote for you unless you do.

I would be curious to see this quote as it kind of goes against the history of the New Deal considering FDR won in a massive landslide, had huge bipartisan support in congress and the New Deal was basically an exercise of throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks...

That is cowardice.

Uh, no it's not. Coward and cowardice seems to be your poorly used end of the line juvenile attempt at an insult that so misses the dictionary definition that it just makes you look the fool.

Deriding a snake oil salesman is not cowardice but the proper habit of a rational person.

nobody (other than yourself) who has read your writing more than casually believes you have adequately addressed those issues, on a website or anywhere else. if i'm wrong about that and there actually is someone, find that person and ask them to help promote you.

you have every right to believe the whole world is wrong and you are right, and you have every right to say so. however, practically speaking that might not be such a wise policy for growing an organization.

JL

for the time being i'll ignore the insults and respond to the question. there are too many specific omissions to comprehensively list, but the biggest is any sort of business plan. most business plans are at least 30 pages long, and include sections that help convince people to support your venture.

the hartford has a pretty good basic overview of what that should contain.

additional oversights tend to fall into one of 4 categories:

1. logical reasons why the plan might eventually work
2. plans to address potential pitfalls
3. additional details of infrastructure to implement the plan.
4. evidence that the larger plan has worked on a smaller scale.

russ, someone who actually HAS run a successful non-profit, spent hours of his own time and effort trying to address (some of) these oversights, in an attempt to help you succeed. instead of thanking him and attempting to practically address his findings, you responded by accusing him of attacking and misrepresenting you.

personally i think baking a pie would be so much easier, tastier, AND more effective. in either case, best of luck!

JL

... as if to signal the beginning of a war to end all wars. Ahem. :)

46.7 C = 116.06 F

Oh, how I wish I was in the PMW, anyway!

Say, what's your favourite PNW band?

Are you in the PNW heat wave or a different one? It was 115F at my house yesterday. A nice and cool 93 today...

Correct.

So, not only are you not good at SARCASM, you are apparently bad at reading comprehension as well. In addition, your memory is faulty. I too believe that it was MyVoice who objected to your SARCASM. She asked for an explanation, and since you were not responsive, I offered her a correct one. I was not triggered, but I did comprehend your "sophisticated humor". I told her to imagine that Borat had said it.

As for the rest of your PC diatribe, thanks for letting us know that your subsequent apology was insincere.

NOT as insensitive as might seem.

You know what? I was the one who pointed out what you meant by your Jewish village SARCASM. Sophistication? Sure.

I thought it was nypoet22 who objected to my "start a little Pogrom" joke, but whatever.

I fucking HATE Political Correctness, and I'm as flaming Libtard as the come.

Yep, sorry about the Shoah and 2000 years of Christian anti-Semitic aggression.

But I am of 100% Ukrainian ancestry and I'm sorry that Stalin killed 2-5 million Ukrainians (including likely most of my ancestors who stayed behind) during what Ukrainians refer to as the Holodomor.

But I don't get "triggered" as easily as you apparently do, so I suggest that you realize how "rough and tumble" political discourse can get, put on your "Big boy pants" and DEAL WITH IT.*sheesh*

Wow, calling someone a coward, how grade school of you. Beyond the silliness of using the insult it's self, Everyone whom you use it on is engaging with you and therefore by definition not a coward. They are only a "coward" for not buying in to your bullshit. It's beyond pathetic.

I am fully convinced one Demand could work and want to find out.

No you don't. You want your stupid little movement of one so you have reason and a pretend aura of gravitas to talk smack in comment sections. If you really wanted to succeed you would have built up your organization and corresponding website to deliver on the promises it makes rather than dicking around comment sections pestering people who have put in the work to do it all for you.

Do you copy?

Either put up or shut up.

Don,

I have been dwelling here in CW's comments section for 2+ years now and have observed that YOU REFUSE TO "ENGAGE" IN ARGUMENTS AGAINST your silly not-well-thought-out OD. And it's not like even C.R. Stucki disagrees with the notion that Big Money© is a cancer on our Constitutional Republic. So NO ONE disagrees with you in that regard. We just don't see how OD fixes that problem.

Telling me to "Look it up" [your arguments for] is NOT "engaging" in a discussion about OD.

Why should ANYONE have to go through that hassle? It's ON YOU to change minds, hello?

And it's not like anyone (including myself) haven't tried to address OD. You simply REFUSE TO MAKE THIS CASE FOR OD.

So, on behalf of Weigantia, kindly fuck off and die. And trouble us no more unless you can "bring something to the table."

you asked, so i answered. if you aren't satisfied with the answers, it must be tuesday.

JL

the logic reference is the slippery slope, which is the logical fallacy of presuming what might happen if an argument were taken to its most extreme form. in this case, i applied it to JFC's point of view on 3rd party voting, which is to say, acknowledging the reason why my own argument wasn't logically sound.

the cultural reference was the underwear gnomes, which are characters in south park that have become an internet meme. it applies to your attempts to form a political movement, because you seem fully convinced of the soundness of your plan, in spite of some glaring omissions.

Read a book!

JL

i moved to another state, and volunteered for a campaign there. i know not everyone can; i just mean that who you vote for is only a very small part of an individual's potential political activity. while in that state i also vote-traded with a friend in a not-so-swingin' state. i didn't like the democratic candidate, so she voted 3rd party in exchange for me voting democrat.

JL

You know what? I was the one who pointed out what you meant by your Jewish village SARCASM. Sophistication? Sure.

The US has always been a bit violent

More than a bit and it includes the (D)s. You should have noticed that I didn't blame the MIC. It/they are not the problem. "We" are. In other words, my issue is with (D) voters as much as with (D) politicians.

if you're going to be a one-issue voter

Ever heard of the straw that broke the camel's back? War w/o end is not the only problem with the Dems. It's just where the too much money goes that could be better spent elsewhere.

without tying it to 3rd party voting, which in our system is essentially non-voting

A vote that doesn't really count is not a lot different from non-voting.

find a swing district in a swing state, and be politically active there.

It's not completely clear what you mean by that. I won't be moving to another state so that I can feel like my vote counts "more". I'm old and disabled and have limited resources. I can't even retire. If you mean motivating others with money and phone calls, I don't agree that that would make any difference at all to my vote.

That cavalier attitude about bombing other countries is exactly why the Dems don't get my votes. Drive off just enough people like me and we'll end up with President DeSantis. Same difference. Who cares?

NOTE TO SELF:

Dial down the Sophistication of my SARCASM for John From Censornati

read a book!

JL

i was referring to the entire post. just because you haven't yet accepted and devoted yourself to the gospel of pie, doesn't mean your rejection of other forms of pastry is meaningless.

The US has always been a bit violent - sadly, the MIC is more a reflection of us than we are of it. so if you're going to be a one-issue voter, it'd make more sense to have public discourse on that issue by itself, without tying it to 3rd party voting, which in our system is essentially non-voting.

If you REALLY want your vote to count more, find a swing district in a swing state, and be politically active there. lest you think i'm being hypocritical about it, in september of 2004 that's actually something i did.

@don,

you don't have to explain how "lost in space" you are, everybody already knows. my references to culture and logic were intended for JFC, i.e. someone who i thought might understand them.

read a book!

JL

if that's truly the case, it's not too far from where you are to where don is

Since you were not clear, I'm assuming that you're referring to the last four words in my comment which were sarcastically referring to the "I don't care" attitude expressed by others. I obviously do care. The difference between Death Harris and JFC is that I don't delusionally believe that I have the answer. I just won't vote for a party that is so committed to war without end.

If you'd been paying attention to me all along, you'd know that it's nothing new. I'm not a Democrat and I don't vote (D) most of the time and I never vote (R). I voted for Biden only because of the orange one.

I didn't vote for Gore, King George W, Kerry, Obomber, McCain, Rmoney, HilRod, or Florida Man.

Of course, because of our undemocratic system of electing our officials, it rarely if ever matters if I vote at all. But like I said, all the Dems need to do is drive off a few people who are repelled by endless, pointless war and they are out.

if that's truly the case, it's not too far from where you are to where don is. all you need is a plan to get all the underwear, and then... profit!

not saying that's actually the case, just pointing out the [admittedly fallacious] slippery slope.

JL

It's completely unclear to me what the MAGAt death cult's delusions have to do with Cyrus Vance and his project's effect on Jr.

Copy that. Remember, our Military-Industrial Complex has great influence on American politics, and they can't sell more bombs unless we, you know, use some up.

it doesn't really matter what it "looks like." acolytes of the cult of personality could watch the whole family strip naked and take a dump in the woods, and call it a "bold statement on the decline of national park facilities." that's just how they roll.

JL

I think they are both good at politics.

Maybe so, but dead heats are rare.

anticipating yet another MDDOTW handout

Well, technically he screwed that up last week so you should be OK. OTOH, it's disappointing that he's dropping bombs in countries with which we are not at war.

i nominate andrew cuomo for that "honor"

Not to worry, Elizabeth. My sources tell me Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema have reserved the MDDOTW "awards"for the rest of the summer.

Considering Joe's history of gaffes this is no big deal.

I think "wind BENEATH" should refer to "wind beneath my wings," not sails.

Signed-
The Metaphor Police

I was trying to be a bit sarcastic, anticipating yet another MDDOTW handout. Ahem.