Something needs to be done about these shortages now. Gasoline, cars, houses, and Chick-fil-A hate sauce are all hard to find in Joe Biden's America. I want another check.

Heh.

Who needs a check if there is no "precious" sauce to spend it on? Did anybody notice that the aggrieved Righties whining incessantly about hamburgers sure seem overly obsessed with the chicken? Hypocrites! It's like they don't really give a shit about red meat at all! ;)

What is sad is what ignorant fools they play their base for... that they must really believe Trumpanzees are as dumb as a barrel of monkeys.

If she can't bring herself to go there, then she might as well just go away and STFU.

I hear you, but when your opposition has finally come around to your way of thinking, then you don't exactly hope they go away. You give them a big microphone and keep asking the right questions.

Cheney and Republicans like her -- The Lincoln Project, etc. -- give other Republicans someone to follow and permission to reject Trumpism and fight for democracy. :)

It is not natural to choose the abuser that punches, kicks and cuts you but occasionally gives you candy or flowers over another abuser that hits you with a baseball bat.

Said the troll with a baseball bat, pissing all over the author and his blog and expecting some kind of a positive result. By the way, this is the ginormous flaw in "your idea"... that any politician you would equate with an "abuser" will somehow become an acceptable choice if only he bends to your will. *laughs*

Unless you enjoy being abused the natural response would be to reject both abusers and seek company that will not abuse you.

Now connect the dots, and you need never wonder why you're being ignored and rejected on CW's blog.

Good talk, abuser. :)

Guess I better take my temperature; it's what I do when I agree or mostly agree with you... make sure I'm not ill.

If I'm understanding it correctly, CW's statement that "Both (Cheneys) stand for principles I personally abhor" translates to a preference on Chris' part for collectivist and socialist (more redistributive) economic systems as opposed to capitalistic and conservative (no or less redistributive) economic systems.

Oh, I don't know, he used the term "abhor" so maybe he just means their "principles" regarding war and weed. Not everything is about the economy, Stucki.

Those are simply differences of political ideology for which there is no 'right or wrong' in the moral sense, meaning people of good will can agree to disagree without becoming enemies.

So you're saying you're unfamiliar with the teachings of Jesus, as well as multiple other religions, for that matter? Because there is definitely a "right or wrong" in the moral sense according to religion. And just for the record, this is not me preaching at you; this is me delivering the cold, hard facts as set forth in certain written and documented history.

But those philosophical differences are not at the crux of the Trump problem. The real Trump problem is that at heart, Trump is a world-class asshole of a human being, a fact which the Liz Cheney's (and the CRS's) of the world can isolate from the fact there may even be some political positions where she and I may agree with the asshole, but would never say those things justify permitting him to occupy any position of party leadership.

I agree he's unfit, but you cannot agree politically with an opportunist who has no political positions beyond "whatever is best for Donald Trump"... the people and this country be damned. Trump's only loyalty is to himself and whomever is currently committing crimes on his behalf but who are ultimately expendable too.

If that gets us booted out of the Rep party, I guess we'll just have to live with it.

Country over Party... and I'll bet you didn't even take an oath like Benedict Donald a.k.a. Traitorous Trump. Good for you, Stucki. :)

Yes, of course. I'm glad you spoke up! There are, I think, many millions of honest anti-Trump conservatives - outnumbered, I fear, by tens of millions of dishonest or deluded or unthinking pro-Trump former conservatives.

I meant she is alone in the top ranks of the office-holding Republican Party.

Our political system is not non-binary. Opposing the orange cult leaves one option. If she can't bring herself to go there, then she might as well just go away and STFU.

"Both (Cheneys) stand for principles I personally abhor" translates to a preference on Chris' part for collectivist and socialist (more redistributive) economic systems

Since we're putting words in CW's mouth, I think he meant principles like lying, starting destructive, unnecessary wars, and having the freedom to shoot somebody in the face w/o consequences and have him apologize to you.

Liz NOT alone - she's got ME!!!

Good point about how differences of macro-economic ideology are natural to a two-party system and need not lead to actual hatred or purges.

But I'd say the Trump problem has nothing to do with his deficiencies as a human being, as gross as those are. The problem is that his loathsome nature reinforces his Party's existing tendency to subvert America's democracy in favor of an authoritarian dictatorship that caters to just a few subgroups of society, enforced with a cult-like disregard for truth or liberty.

I remember when the Republican Party actually did stand for American liberty, at the conservative end of the economic spectrum. That's where Cheney still stands, more or less alone at this point.

Those are simply differences of political ideology for which there is no 'right or wrong' in the moral sense, meaning people of good will can agree to disagree without becoming enemies.

But those philosophical differences are not at the crux of the Trump problem. The real Trump problem is that at heart, Trump is a world-class asshole of a human being, a fact which the Liz Cheney's (and the CRS's) of the world can isolate from the fact there may even be some political positions where she and I may agree with the asshole, but would never say those things justify permitting him to occupy any position of party leadership.

If that gets us booted out of the Rep party, I guess we'll just have to live with it. I've always said we need a libertarian party in this country.

oh, CW, that's the only thing that matters...Come on.

Even a rudderless ship can be righted.

LL&P

Surely her comittment to the GQP stands for something?

But that said, I have to say that is a hell of a speech, a classic of American political rhetoric. Thanks for printing it in full, for I otherwise would never have read it all. Cheney may come back to haunt us all, but in this moment she has stood up for America when all of her colleagues have taken their stand against America.