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		<title>By: nypoet22</title>
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		<dc:creator>nypoet22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 22:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;d say there&#039;s still a solid 20% of republicans who are conservative on the issues and not taken in by trump&#039;s show. they may have voted for him transactionally at times to achieve their policy ends, but have no love for him or his impact on their party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i'd say there's still a solid 20% of republicans who are conservative on the issues and not taken in by trump's show. they may have voted for him transactionally at times to achieve their policy ends, but have no love for him or his impact on their party.</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 20:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;**Dept. of Let Trump&#039;s Destruction Begin**&lt;/b&gt;








Cyrus Vance, New York DA, just took possession of Trump&#039;s financial information.






&lt;i&gt;Vance later suggested the probe had broadened and could focus on potential bank, tax and insurance fraud, as well as falsification of business records.&lt;/i&gt;





I guess we&#039;re about to find out how &quot;leak proof&quot; his offices are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>**Dept. of Let Trump's Destruction Begin**</b></p>
<p>Cyrus Vance, New York DA, just took possession of Trump's financial information.</p>
<p><i>Vance later suggested the probe had broadened and could focus on potential bank, tax and insurance fraud, as well as falsification of business records.</i></p>
<p>I guess we're about to find out how "leak proof" his offices are.</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say,





&lt;i&gt;Grab the RINOs and primary the DINOs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say,</p>
<p><i>Grab the RINOs and primary the DINOs.</i></p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/24/manchin-is-the-new-lieberman/#comment-175328</link>
		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, is this mic on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, is this mic on?</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/24/manchin-is-the-new-lieberman/#comment-175327</link>
		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[15]






Interestingly, here are the ranking and relative Ideology scores for &lt;b&gt;the other two GOP Senators who will not seek reelection:&lt;/b&gt;





#49	0.64	Portman [R-OH]


#52	0.56	Shelby [R-AL]





No doubt that the retirement of four incumbent Repug Senators will complicate their efforts to retake the majority. If we can &quot;flip&quot; either Murkowski or more likely Collins we&#039;d be in better shape. Perhaps &lt;b&gt;Elizabeth Miller&#039;s Joecrush is rubbing off on me,&lt;/b&gt; but I find myself becoming more confident of his political acumen. Go, Joe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[15]</p>
<p>Interestingly, here are the ranking and relative Ideology scores for <b>the other two GOP Senators who will not seek reelection:</b></p>
<p>#49	0.64	Portman [R-OH]</p>
<p>#52	0.56	Shelby [R-AL]</p>
<p>No doubt that the retirement of four incumbent Repug Senators will complicate their efforts to retake the majority. If we can "flip" either Murkowski or more likely Collins we'd be in better shape. Perhaps <b>Elizabeth Miller's Joecrush is rubbing off on me,</b> but I find myself becoming more confident of his political acumen. Go, Joe!</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/24/manchin-is-the-new-lieberman/#comment-175326</link>
		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At any rate, due to the political climate in their respective states it appears that Collins is the lowest hanging fruit, Murkowski is mid-range and Sasse the toughest to get to vote for Joe&#039;s agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At any rate, due to the political climate in their respective states it appears that Collins is the lowest hanging fruit, Murkowski is mid-range and Sasse the toughest to get to vote for Joe's agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/24/manchin-is-the-new-lieberman/#comment-175325</link>
		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[12]






Whoops! Sasse [NE] &lt;b&gt;is NOT retiring.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
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<p>Whoops! Sasse [NE] <b>is NOT retiring.</b></p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For grins and giggles here are the Ideology scores for the seven Repug Senators who voted against Trump in Impeachment 2.0:









#31	0.76	Cassidy [R-LA]


#36	0.74  **Sasse [R-NE]


#39	0.72	Romney [R-UT]


#41	0.71  **Toomey [R-PA]


#50	0.62  **Burr [R-NC]


#51	0.56	Collins [R-ME]


#53	0.50	Murkowski [R-AK]







**Toomey [PA] and Burr [NC] &lt;b&gt;are not seeking reelection&lt;/b&gt;

[Key: the numbers rank each in Conservatism, within the GOP. The lower each rank and the lower the Ideology score the less Conservative.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For grins and giggles here are the Ideology scores for the seven Repug Senators who voted against Trump in Impeachment 2.0:</p>
<p>#31	0.76	Cassidy [R-LA]</p>
<p>#36	0.74  **Sasse [R-NE]</p>
<p>#39	0.72	Romney [R-UT]</p>
<p>#41	0.71  **Toomey [R-PA]</p>
<p>#50	0.62  **Burr [R-NC]</p>
<p>#51	0.56	Collins [R-ME]</p>
<p>#53	0.50	Murkowski [R-AK]</p>
<p>**Toomey [PA] and Burr [NC] <b>are not seeking reelection</b></p>
<p>[Key: the numbers rank each in Conservatism, within the GOP. The lower each rank and the lower the Ideology score the less Conservative.]</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/24/manchin-is-the-new-lieberman/#comment-175323</link>
		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 16:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[6]





Here are the facts on this same subject:





Per &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2019/party-senate-democrat/ideology&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;govtrack.com&lt;/a&gt; here are &lt;b&gt;the 10 least Liberal Dem Senators:&lt;/b&gt;





#1	0.69	Sen. Sinema [D-AZ]
#2	0.64	Sen. Jones [D-AL]&lt;i&gt;
#3	0.59	Sen. Manchin [D-WV]&lt;/i&gt;
#4	0.48	Sen. Tester [D-MT]
#5	0.44	Sen. Coons [D-DE]
#6	0.42	Sen. Peters [D-MI]
#7	0.42	Sen. Hassan [D-NH]
#8	0.40	Sen. Warner [D-VA]
#9	0.34	Sen. Shaheen [D-NH]
#10	0.34	Sen. Carper [D-DE]





And here are &lt;b&gt;the 10 least Conservative GOP Senators:&lt;/b&gt;





#44	0.70	Sen. Lee [R-UT]
#45	0.70	Sen. Graham [R-SC]
#46	0.69	Sen. Alexander [R-TN]
#47	0.65	Sen. Paul [R-KY]
#48	0.64	Sen. McConnell [R-KY]
#49	0.64	Sen. Portman [R-OH]
#50	0.62	Sen. Burr [R-NC]&lt;i&gt;
#51	0.56	Sen. Collins [R-ME]&lt;/i&gt;
#52	0.56	Sen. Shelby [R-AL]&lt;i&gt;
#53	0.50	Sen. Murkowski [R-AK]&lt;/i&gt;






Jones is gone in Alabama (where&#039;s Roy Moore when you need him?) so that leaves Sinema [AZ] and Manchin [WV] the least Lefty. And there you have Collins [ME] and Murkowski [AZ] as the least Righty.





Joe&#039;s Covid Relief plan has overwhelming public support. This &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; give these Senators the political cover they need to support the Democratic agenda. But they have to want it, obviously. Collins and Murkowski should constantly be wooed into jumping parties, methinks.</description>
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<p>Here are the facts on this same subject:</p>
<p>Per <a href="https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2019/party-senate-democrat/ideology" rel="nofollow">govtrack.com</a> here are <b>the 10 least Liberal Dem Senators:</b></p>
<p>#1	0.69	Sen. Sinema [D-AZ]<br />
#2	0.64	Sen. Jones [D-AL]<i><br />
#3	0.59	Sen. Manchin [D-WV]</i><br />
#4	0.48	Sen. Tester [D-MT]<br />
#5	0.44	Sen. Coons [D-DE]<br />
#6	0.42	Sen. Peters [D-MI]<br />
#7	0.42	Sen. Hassan [D-NH]<br />
#8	0.40	Sen. Warner [D-VA]<br />
#9	0.34	Sen. Shaheen [D-NH]<br />
#10	0.34	Sen. Carper [D-DE]</p>
<p>And here are <b>the 10 least Conservative GOP Senators:</b></p>
<p>#44	0.70	Sen. Lee [R-UT]<br />
#45	0.70	Sen. Graham [R-SC]<br />
#46	0.69	Sen. Alexander [R-TN]<br />
#47	0.65	Sen. Paul [R-KY]<br />
#48	0.64	Sen. McConnell [R-KY]<br />
#49	0.64	Sen. Portman [R-OH]<br />
#50	0.62	Sen. Burr [R-NC]<i><br />
#51	0.56	Sen. Collins [R-ME]</i><br />
#52	0.56	Sen. Shelby [R-AL]<i><br />
#53	0.50	Sen. Murkowski [R-AK]</i></p>
<p>Jones is gone in Alabama (where's Roy Moore when you need him?) so that leaves Sinema [AZ] and Manchin [WV] the least Lefty. And there you have Collins [ME] and Murkowski [AZ] as the least Righty.</p>
<p>Joe's Covid Relief plan has overwhelming public support. This <i>could</i> give these Senators the political cover they need to support the Democratic agenda. But they have to want it, obviously. Collins and Murkowski should constantly be wooed into jumping parties, methinks.</p>
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		<title>By: John From Censornati</title>
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		<dc:creator>John From Censornati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 07:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His Highness could always change parties if he gets too much pressure. As a Republican, his re-election would be easier and there&#039;s no telling what McConnell would promise him to do it (or already has). It&#039;s not clear why he sticks with the Dems.

What would Harry Reid do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His Highness could always change parties if he gets too much pressure. As a Republican, his re-election would be easier and there's no telling what McConnell would promise him to do it (or already has). It's not clear why he sticks with the Dems.</p>
<p>What would Harry Reid do?</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 05:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve touched on the notion that &lt;i&gt;no one cares about how it gets done, &lt;b&gt;they only care about results.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;






I don&#039;t think that you can overdo reminding us of this &lt;b&gt;reality,&lt;/b&gt; nosiree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You've touched on the notion that <i>no one cares about how it gets done, <b>they only care about results.</b></i></p>
<p>I don't think that you can overdo reminding us of this <b>reality,</b> nosiree.</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 05:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FPC





That imaginary conversation between a Dem and Repug Congressperson was a &quot;Talking Points&quot; approach that really appeals due to the &lt;b&gt;brevity of each one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FPC</p>
<p>That imaginary conversation between a Dem and Repug Congressperson was a "Talking Points" approach that really appeals due to the <b>brevity of each one.</b></p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 05:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &quot;get&quot; it that Manchin barely won in 2018, and he&#039;s from a less Liberal state blah blah blah.







&lt;b&gt;
But aren&#039;t Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins and the other 
Repug Senators who voted to Impeach in the same boat?&lt;/b&gt;






Trump&#039;s gonna try to Primary them so unless Mitch can protect them it seems maybe we can find a vote or three amongst them, especially for solidly popular legislation like Joe&#039;s Covid Relief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I "get" it that Manchin barely won in 2018, and he's from a less Liberal state blah blah blah.</p>
<p><b><br />
But aren't Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins and the other<br />
Repug Senators who voted to Impeach in the same boat?</b></p>
<p>Trump's gonna try to Primary them so unless Mitch can protect them it seems maybe we can find a vote or three amongst them, especially for solidly popular legislation like Joe's Covid Relief.</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 05:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He [Manchin] just announced today that he will be voting to confirm Deb Haaland as the secretary of the Interior, so perhaps he just picked one random Biden appointee that he could torpedo to make his point.&lt;/i&gt;






Okay, I&#039;m officially joining the #DeathToManchin faction. And we&#039;re not going to be able to Primary his sorry ass until 2024.*yeesh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He [Manchin] just announced today that he will be voting to confirm Deb Haaland as the secretary of the Interior, so perhaps he just picked one random Biden appointee that he could torpedo to make his point.</i></p>
<p>Okay, I'm officially joining the #DeathToManchin faction. And we're not going to be able to Primary his sorry ass until 2024.*yeesh*</p>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 05:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t even read this column yet, but the title alone brings back bad memories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven't even read this column yet, but the title alone brings back bad memories.</p>
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		<title>By: SF Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>SF Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 03:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say give him more Post Offices, more bridges, what ever it takes to buy him off.  This show is for all the marbles if the Dems do not change this country for the better before the 22 mid terms they will be out of power for the next decade.  Without the voter protection laws they are trying to pass the Repuigs will enact all kinds of schemes that will lock them in power for the foreseeable future decade.  I hope Schumer can figure out the key to Manchin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say give him more Post Offices, more bridges, what ever it takes to buy him off.  This show is for all the marbles if the Dems do not change this country for the better before the 22 mid terms they will be out of power for the next decade.  Without the voter protection laws they are trying to pass the Repuigs will enact all kinds of schemes that will lock them in power for the foreseeable future decade.  I hope Schumer can figure out the key to Manchin.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 01:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I think he is the former, more or less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I think he is the former, more or less.</p>
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		<title>By: John M from Ct.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M from Ct.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 01:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice parallel to Lieberman. Could you develop a bit more background on Manchin and his own position in W. Va. politics? 

Is he a regular politician - ambitious, self-centered, public minded when possible, in hock to various interest groups, basically honest in a political sense? Or is he a jerk politician - difficult, hypocritical, insensitive to colleagues, polarizing in his home state, not particularly liked by those who work with him?

In other words, how bad is this going to get? Or how good could it be, if he and the president and the Senate leadership can get to understand one another and what each needs to get through the next two years without blowing up their respective careers and constituencies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice parallel to Lieberman. Could you develop a bit more background on Manchin and his own position in W. Va. politics? </p>
<p>Is he a regular politician - ambitious, self-centered, public minded when possible, in hock to various interest groups, basically honest in a political sense? Or is he a jerk politician - difficult, hypocritical, insensitive to colleagues, polarizing in his home state, not particularly liked by those who work with him?</p>
<p>In other words, how bad is this going to get? Or how good could it be, if he and the president and the Senate leadership can get to understand one another and what each needs to get through the next two years without blowing up their respective careers and constituencies?</p>
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