Comments on: Trump's Second Impeachment Trial (Day 4) http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/ Reality-based political commentary Thu, 30 Apr 2026 02:50:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175122 Kick Sun, 14 Feb 2021 01:04:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175122 It was Mitch who produced the very excuse they could use to refuse to convict him. McConnell had given them all the "technical out" from the jump when he chose to delay the trial. I am genuinely surprised that 7 Senators voted to convict the pathological lying sociopathic murdering bastard. How many Americans has he killed with his lies? History will not be kind to Benedict Donald and his enablers. They obviously know he is guilty but chose their political fortunes and their dying Party over We the People and our democracy. This is far from over. It was Mitch who produced the very excuse they could use to refuse to convict him. McConnell had given them all the "technical out" from the jump when he chose to delay the trial.

I am genuinely surprised that 7 Senators voted to convict the pathological lying sociopathic murdering bastard. How many Americans has he killed with his lies? History will not be kind to Benedict Donald and his enablers. They obviously know he is guilty but chose their political fortunes and their dying Party over We the People and our democracy. This is far from over.

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175121 Kick Sun, 14 Feb 2021 00:34:05 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175121 John From Censornati 62 <i>Now, the senate will go on vacation for a week. Will that stall COVID-19 relief?</i> It was a pre-planned "home" week. It shouldn't affect COVID-19 relief at all. John From Censornati
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Now, the senate will go on vacation for a week. Will that stall COVID-19 relief?

It was a pre-planned "home" week. It shouldn't affect COVID-19 relief at all.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175120 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 21:34:17 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175120 Did Mitch McConnell just disrespect his own beloved senate? Imagine that. Did Mitch McConnell just disrespect his own beloved senate? Imagine that.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175119 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 20:48:48 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175119 Now, the senate will go on vacation for a week. Will that stall COVID-19 relief? Now, the senate will go on vacation for a week. Will that stall COVID-19 relief?

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175118 Kick Sat, 13 Feb 2021 19:06:15 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175118 Elizabeth Miller 58|59 <i>Obviously.</i> Right! Except, I said "most of our system is a direct ripoff" when I should have said "much of our system is a direct ripoff." My bad. <i>You don't have to be argumetative ALL the time, you know. Heh. </i> I wasn't being argumentative... just pointing out that democracy is (thankfully) being played out (not nowhere) but other places in the world. Amen. Basically my point was: Canada, you're giving us too much credit. :) Elizabeth Miller
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Obviously.

Right!

Except, I said "most of our system is a direct ripoff" when I should have said "much of our system is a direct ripoff." My bad.

You don't have to be argumetative ALL the time, you know. Heh.

I wasn't being argumentative... just pointing out that democracy is (thankfully) being played out (not nowhere) but other places in the world. Amen.

Basically my point was: Canada, you're giving us too much credit. :)

]]> By: MtnCaddy http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175117 MtnCaddy Sat, 13 Feb 2021 18:54:16 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175117 [59] Some of us can't help ourselves. [59]

Some of us can't help ourselves.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175116 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 18:44:30 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175116 You don't have to be argumetative ALL the time, you know. Heh. You don't have to be argumetative ALL the time, you know. Heh.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175115 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 18:43:58 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175115 Obviously. Obviously.

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175114 Kick Sat, 13 Feb 2021 18:40:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175114 Elizabeth Miller 56 <i>You think the UK is more democratic than your country?</i> Heh. I'm not sure how my declaration that there are indeed other countries in the world where we can see "democracy in action played out, in real time, the way it does" in America was somehow mistaken for my endorsement as to which of the two countries is "the more democratic." I'm just saying that democracy is indeed playing out in other countries. Most of our system is a direct ripoff of the Motherland since it was created by a bunch of her former subjects, you know. :) Elizabeth Miller
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You think the UK is more democratic than your country?

Heh.

I'm not sure how my declaration that there are indeed other countries in the world where we can see "democracy in action played out, in real time, the way it does" in America was somehow mistaken for my endorsement as to which of the two countries is "the more democratic." I'm just saying that democracy is indeed playing out in other countries. Most of our system is a direct ripoff of the Motherland since it was created by a bunch of her former subjects, you know. :)

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175113 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 18:17:16 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175113 You think the UK is more democratic than your country? You think the UK is more democratic than your country?

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175112 Kick Sat, 13 Feb 2021 18:11:43 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175112 Elizabeth Miller 51 <i>In no other country in the world can we see democracy in action played out, in real time the way it does in the US of A. </i> What... are you kidding!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_Zh9KSVrFg <i>It really is a sight to behold, most of the time. Heh. I mean, it's not always pretty and often very messy but, seriously, America has so much to be proud of, despite everything. </i> Where do you think it comes from? O R D E R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Elizabeth Miller
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In no other country in the world can we see democracy in action played out, in real time the way it does in the US of A.

What... are you kidding!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_Zh9KSVrFg

It really is a sight to behold, most of the time. Heh. I mean, it's not always pretty and often very messy but, seriously, America has so much to be proud of, despite everything.

Where do you think it comes from?

O R D E R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175111 Kick Sat, 13 Feb 2021 18:04:37 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175111 Elizabeth Miller 37 <i>Well, it's already stalled enough. </i> It hasn't been stalled at all... yet. It's being done under reconciliation and therefore is going to take some maneuvering and negotiating to get it done since the bulk of the GOP isn't all too interested in governing for the People. Elizabeth Miller
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Well, it's already stalled enough.

It hasn't been stalled at all... yet. It's being done under reconciliation and therefore is going to take some maneuvering and negotiating to get it done since the bulk of the GOP isn't all too interested in governing for the People.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175110 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:50:55 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175110 Looks like the trial ends today. Looks like the trial ends today.

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175109 Kick Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:40:25 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175109 John From Censornati 32 <i>They're not going to agree to very many witnesses. the Republicans are bluffing about wanting witnesses. </i> Exactly. They don't want any witnesses. Call their bluff. Raskin is just going to make liars out of Trump's shitty lawyers and then they'll vote to acquit Trump -- like they were going to do anyway -- and they're tied to Trump and his lawlessness forever. They're making them choose sides. Nikki Haley already chose. All the GOP idiots are doing now is jockeying for power and who will control the White Supremacist Party. They all still think Trump will falter, and they each think Trump will crown them as his replacement. You'd think they would learn, but they seem incapable. Trump would have let each of them die at the hands of his mob; he does not care. Sickening to watch that Party slowly killing itself. Of course, y'all likely know all that. :) John From Censornati
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They're not going to agree to very many witnesses. the Republicans are bluffing about wanting witnesses.

Exactly. They don't want any witnesses. Call their bluff. Raskin is just going to make liars out of Trump's shitty lawyers and then they'll vote to acquit Trump -- like they were going to do anyway -- and they're tied to Trump and his lawlessness forever.

They're making them choose sides. Nikki Haley already chose. All the GOP idiots are doing now is jockeying for power and who will control the White Supremacist Party. They all still think Trump will falter, and they each think Trump will crown them as his replacement. You'd think they would learn, but they seem incapable. Trump would have let each of them die at the hands of his mob; he does not care. Sickening to watch that Party slowly killing itself.

Of course, y'all likely know all that. :)

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175108 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:36:13 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175108 Point of personal privilege, if I may, as the only Canadian here ... In no other country in the world can we see democracy in action played out, in real time the way it does in the US of A. It really is a sight to behold, most of the time. Heh. I mean, it's not always pretty and often very messy but, seriously, America has so much to be proud of, despite everything. Of course, I couldn't have said any of that if the 2020 presidential election hadn't turned out the way it did. But, it did, so ... there is always hope and the promise of America is real and alive! Point of personal privilege, if I may, as the only Canadian here ...

In no other country in the world can we see democracy in action played out, in real time the way it does in the US of A. It really is a sight to behold, most of the time. Heh. I mean, it's not always pretty and often very messy but, seriously, America has so much to be proud of, despite everything.

Of course, I couldn't have said any of that if the 2020 presidential election hadn't turned out the way it did. But, it did, so ... there is always hope and the promise of America is real and alive!

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175107 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:27:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175107 Qnut MTG is intimidating the witness. Qnut MTG is intimidating the witness.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175106 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:19:27 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175106 I see. I see.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175105 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:19:22 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175105 They will probably agree that each side gets to call one. That's what I'd bet on. They will probably agree that each side gets to call one. That's what I'd bet on.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175104 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:18:24 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175104 [44] Yes, that's how the cookie crumbles. [44] Yes, that's how the cookie crumbles.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175103 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:18:15 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175103 I'm talking about other witnesses. I'm talking about other witnesses.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175102 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:17:28 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175102 They have the votes to hear from the congresswoman. They have the votes to hear from the congresswoman.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175101 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:16:48 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175101 No witness if 50-50? No witness if 50-50?

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175100 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:16:02 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175100 <i>New York will likely indict Trump first... and his spawn too. :)</i> Maybe the FBI will beat them. But, that'll probably be a losing case, too. :( New York will likely indict Trump first... and his spawn too. :)

Maybe the FBI will beat them. But, that'll probably be a losing case, too. :(

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175099 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:15:54 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175099 50-50 is no go. 50-50 is no go.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175098 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:14:55 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175098 McCaskill thinks that McConnell is not on Team Orange and is probably lobbying to limit this to just the congresswoman despite his announced vote for acquittal. McCaskill thinks that McConnell is not on Team Orange and is probably lobbying to limit this to just the congresswoman despite his announced vote for acquittal.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175097 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:14:54 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175097 I guess we'll have to wait to see what kind of deal the senate can reach. I guess we'll have to wait to see what kind of deal the senate can reach.

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175096 Kick Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:14:31 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175096 John From Censornati 17 <i>I was wondering when we'd get around to this. I think we need to hear from Florida Man. </i> I think we'll be hearing from him later... not likely in this impeachment trial. Florida Man is going to spend the rest of his life running from the criminal courts. Who will indict Florida Man first? Like I've been saying since 2017, just when it looks like it's almost over, it'll just be getting started: <b>These little town blues are melting away I'm gonna make a brand new start of it in old New York A-a-a-nd if I can make it there, I'm gonna make it anywhere It's up to you, New York, New York. :) </b> New York will likely indict Trump first... and his spawn too. :) John From Censornati
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I was wondering when we'd get around to this. I think we need to hear from Florida Man.

I think we'll be hearing from him later... not likely in this impeachment trial. Florida Man is going to spend the rest of his life running from the criminal courts.

Who will indict Florida Man first? Like I've been saying since 2017, just when it looks like it's almost over, it'll just be getting started:

These little town blues are melting away
I'm gonna make a brand new start of it in old New York
A-a-a-nd if I can make it there, I'm gonna make it anywhere
It's up to you, New York, New York. :)

New York will likely indict Trump first... and his spawn too. :)

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175095 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:14:04 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175095 <i>Trump's shitty lawyers are bluffing. They are terrified of witnesses. They can threaten all they want; they can only call witnesses agreed on by the Senate.</i> Yeah, be careful what you wish for. Heh. But, what if the vote on witnesses is 50-50? Apparently, the vp can't break a tie in this scenario ... Trump's shitty lawyers are bluffing. They are terrified of witnesses. They can threaten all they want; they can only call witnesses agreed on by the Senate.

Yeah, be careful what you wish for. Heh.

But, what if the vote on witnesses is 50-50? Apparently, the vp can't break a tie in this scenario ...

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175094 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:05:59 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175094 <i>It won't stall the COVID-19 relief. :)</i> Well, it's already stalled enough. If you are one of those Americans who are in desperate need. It won't stall the COVID-19 relief. :)

Well, it's already stalled enough. If you are one of those Americans who are in desperate need.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175093 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:05:52 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175093 Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-WA) maybe has a death wish. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-WA) maybe has a death wish.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175092 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:04:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175092 You are sure about that? You are sure about that?

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175091 nypoet22 Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:02:52 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175091 schumer can walk and chew gum. they'll do covid legislation in the morning and impeachment in the afternoon. schumer can walk and chew gum. they'll do covid legislation in the morning and impeachment in the afternoon.

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175090 Kick Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:02:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175090 Elizabeth Miller 15 <i>If Republicans wish to turn this impeachment trial into an all day and night venture and stall the COVID-19 relief bill, how many votes would they need to do that? </i> More votes than they have. Trump's shitty lawyers are bluffing. They are terrified of witnesses. They can threaten all they want; they can only call witnesses agreed on by the Senate. It won't stall the COVID-19 relief. :) Elizabeth Miller
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If Republicans wish to turn this impeachment trial into an all day and night venture and stall the COVID-19 relief bill, how many votes would they need to do that?

More votes than they have.

Trump's shitty lawyers are bluffing. They are terrified of witnesses. They can threaten all they want; they can only call witnesses agreed on by the Senate.

It won't stall the COVID-19 relief. :)

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175089 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:59:31 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175089 They're not going to agree to very many witnesses. the Republicans are bluffing about wanting witnesses. They're not going to agree to very many witnesses. the Republicans are bluffing about wanting witnesses.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175088 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:55:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175088 Once the House finishes with the bill, then what? This impeachment trial could go on for a long time. Once the House finishes with the bill, then what? This impeachment trial could go on for a long time.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175087 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:52:09 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175087 [27] McCaskill just said that this will not delay the COVID relief bill because the house is not finished yet anyway. [28] According to McCaskill, no. [27] McCaskill just said that this will not delay the COVID relief bill because the house is not finished yet anyway.

[28] According to McCaskill, no.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175086 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:50:11 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175086 ... I mean on a vote to call a certain witness? ... I mean on a vote to call a certain witness?

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175085 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:49:48 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175085 In an impeachment trial, can the vice president break a tie? In an impeachment trial, can the vice president break a tie?

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175084 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:46:40 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175084 So, if there is a wide net cast to find witnesses with relevant information, then it may be time for Biden to consider making a national address Re. COVID-19 relief bill and the need for the senate to act quickly (heh) on passing this bill, one way or the other, during the impeachment trial. So, if there is a wide net cast to find witnesses with relevant information, then it may be time for Biden to consider making a national address Re. COVID-19 relief bill and the need for the senate to act quickly (heh) on passing this bill, one way or the other, during the impeachment trial.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175083 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:41:49 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175083 Uncharacteristically, the orange one one has listened to his mob lawyers and kept his mouth shut. On the other hand, they were expecting this to be over today. Caution. Contents under pressure. Uncharacteristically, the orange one one has listened to his mob lawyers and kept his mouth shut. On the other hand, they were expecting this to be over today. Caution. Contents under pressure.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175082 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:32:02 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175082 So, McConnell has decided to acquit. Nobody should be shocked by that. He's a treacherous traitor and a lying liar. It looks like he's just been trolling Florida Man. So, McConnell has decided to acquit. Nobody should be shocked by that. He's a treacherous traitor and a lying liar. It looks like he's just been trolling Florida Man.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175081 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:28:28 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175081 I don't. I don't.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175080 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:26:52 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175080 So you don't know who said that? He used to have a column in the Huffington Post at the same time as Chris. Yeah, executive privilege. Right. Well, I think the juror witnesses may be enough to get the point across. So you don't know who said that? He used to have a column in the Huffington Post at the same time as Chris.

Yeah, executive privilege. Right. Well, I think the juror witnesses may be enough to get the point across.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175079 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:22:06 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175079 [16] I don't know. I think that one's a little long. He's the ultimate Florida Man. I'm sticking with that. [16] I don't know. I think that one's a little long. He's the ultimate Florida Man. I'm sticking with that.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175078 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:18:31 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175078 [19] I don't think so. That would spark an executive privilege battle. [19] I don't think so. That would spark an executive privilege battle.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175077 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:16:37 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175077 [15] According to what I heard Claire McCaskill say on TV, McConnell can prevent work on anything else while they adjourn to depose witnesses. [15] According to what I heard Claire McCaskill say on TV, McConnell can prevent work on anything else while they adjourn to depose witnesses.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175076 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:15:10 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175076 Well, we won't hear from the former president. But, maybe we could hear from anyone who was with him in the WH as the rioters breached the Capitol ... Well, we won't hear from the former president. But, maybe we could hear from anyone who was with him in the WH as the rioters breached the Capitol ...

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175075 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:14:01 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175075 <i>It does seem like legal malpractice, but is that OK ...</i> Sadly, it doesn't seem to matter much when you need 67 Republican votes, at least, to convict. It does seem like legal malpractice, but is that OK ...

Sadly, it doesn't seem to matter much when you need 67 Republican votes, at least, to convict.

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175074 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:11:34 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175074 Last time around, the Dems insisted that it wasn't a trial w/o witnesses. I was wondering when we'd get around to this. I think we need to hear from Florida Man. Last time around, the Dems insisted that it wasn't a trial w/o witnesses. I was wondering when we'd get around to this. I think we need to hear from Florida Man.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175073 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:04:00 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175073 JFC, What do think of this moniker for Trump: the "terminated tyrant of the twitstorm". And, do you know who I'm quoting? JFC,

What do think of this moniker for Trump: the "terminated tyrant of the twitstorm". And, do you know who I'm quoting?

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175072 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:02:01 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175072 Question: If Republicans wish to turn this impeachment trial into an all day and night venture and stall the COVID-19 relief bill, how many votes would they need to do that? Question: If Republicans wish to turn this impeachment trial into an all day and night venture and stall the COVID-19 relief bill, how many votes would they need to do that?

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175071 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 16:00:56 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175071 Florida Man's lawyers are just doing a stand-up version of his tweet storms. It does seem like legal malpractice, but is that OK if that's what your mentally-ill client wants? Florida Man's lawyers are just doing a stand-up version of his tweet storms. It does seem like legal malpractice, but is that OK if that's what your mentally-ill client wants?

]]> By: John From Censornati http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175070 John From Censornati Sat, 13 Feb 2021 15:57:55 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175070 Watching the senate makes it obvious why they desperately hang on to the filibuster. Voting on anything is mind-numbingly bizarre and tedious. There's no excuse in 2021. It's a bad look. Watching the senate makes it obvious why they desperately hang on to the filibuster. Voting on anything is mind-numbingly bizarre and tedious. There's no excuse in 2021. It's a bad look.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175069 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 15:44:38 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175069 <i>Thank God you're doing it all, Chris. Thanks again.</i> Indeed. Heh. Thank God you're doing it all, Chris. Thanks again.

Indeed. Heh.

]]> By: Kick http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175068 Kick Sat, 13 Feb 2021 15:25:07 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175068 Witnesses. :) Witnesses. :)

]]> By: John M from Ct. http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175066 John M from Ct. Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:22:11 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175066 You didn't mention it, but the short fragment that I listened to on my drive home featured one of the lawyers trying to rebut the letter from hundreds of law school deans that said any so-called 'First Amendment' defense of the president's actions was a crock of, well, stuff. I could hardly believe my ears when the guy actually whined that this was a totally unfair and hostile allegation of his own malpractice and incompetence as a lawyer! He went on and on about how the impeachment forces were trying to get him disbarred, lose his license, no money coming in, his wife and children starving and begging on the streets... No, really, I mean it. Talk about projection. Then something followed about how James Wilson, one of the constitution's leading contributors, had appeared to this lawyer in a dream telling him the First Amendment was specifically designed by him and Little Jemmy Madison to allow presidents like George Washington to overthrow the republic ... no, well, maybe not the dream part. But none of it was making any sense. It was weird -- I got sick of it and changed the channel. Thank God you're doing it all, Chris. Thanks again. You didn't mention it, but the short fragment that I listened to on my drive home featured one of the lawyers trying to rebut the letter from hundreds of law school deans that said any so-called 'First Amendment' defense of the president's actions was a crock of, well, stuff.

I could hardly believe my ears when the guy actually whined that this was a totally unfair and hostile allegation of his own malpractice and incompetence as a lawyer! He went on and on about how the impeachment forces were trying to get him disbarred, lose his license, no money coming in, his wife and children starving and begging on the streets... No, really, I mean it. Talk about projection.

Then something followed about how James Wilson, one of the constitution's leading contributors, had appeared to this lawyer in a dream telling him the First Amendment was specifically designed by him and Little Jemmy Madison to allow presidents like George Washington to overthrow the republic ... no, well, maybe not the dream part. But none of it was making any sense. It was weird -- I got sick of it and changed the channel.

Thank God you're doing it all, Chris. Thanks again.

]]> By: nypoet22 http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175065 nypoet22 Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:47:26 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175065 <i>The worst of these was when he said: "Well, I'm not from around here," deploying what is technically known as the "I'm just a simple country lawyer" legal tactic. It was met with no noticeable success, but it was rather farcical.</i> i think i've seen that one before. would this be an example? https://youtu.be/2AzAFqrxfeY?t=65 The worst of these was when he said: "Well, I'm not from around here," deploying what is technically known as the "I'm just a simple country lawyer" legal tactic. It was met with no noticeable success, but it was rather farcical.

i think i've seen that one before. would this be an example?

https://youtu.be/2AzAFqrxfeY?t=65

]]> By: John M from Ct. http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175064 John M from Ct. Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:42:36 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175064 The gist of the entire day, and the comments here and elsewhere, is that the defense was not a real defense, but more like play-acting, because it assumes the fix is in. The Senate Republicans just will not vote to convict the president, regardless of the prosecution or the defense's presentations this week. This kind of makes impeachment useless, doesn't it? No matter what the constitution's framers might have thought the Congress was going to be, in relation to the chief executive, in fact we have a strong two party system, and an impeachment of a president who has a sizable senatorial minority of his own party is simply unable to be convicted. Any suggestions as to options for reform, or abolition, of the impeachment clause of the constitution? The gist of the entire day, and the comments here and elsewhere, is that the defense was not a real defense, but more like play-acting, because it assumes the fix is in. The Senate Republicans just will not vote to convict the president, regardless of the prosecution or the defense's presentations this week.

This kind of makes impeachment useless, doesn't it? No matter what the constitution's framers might have thought the Congress was going to be, in relation to the chief executive, in fact we have a strong two party system, and an impeachment of a president who has a sizable senatorial minority of his own party is simply unable to be convicted.

Any suggestions as to options for reform, or abolition, of the impeachment clause of the constitution?

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175063 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:33:13 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175063 Russ, It sounds like Republicans are trying hard to get rid of Trump without actually, you know, getting rid of Trump. :) Good luck to them! Russ,

It sounds like Republicans are trying hard to get rid of Trump without actually, you know, getting rid of Trump. :)

Good luck to them!

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175062 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:11:46 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175062 Chris, <i>Trump's defense team may have scored a point or two here and there, but their entire argument ignored at least 80 or 90 percent of the prosecution's case against Trump. Nothing was said about any of the time leading up to January sixth -- the entire defense was about that day and that day alone, really. In fact, the defense was really just a defense of Trump's speech that day, exclusive of everything else.</i> Do you think that the Dems may have left themselves open to this narrow, criminal-based argument by naming the one and only article of impeachment, 'Incitement to resurrection'? I mean, I think any one of us here could have come up with a better title. How about an article with this title, 'Gross Violation of the Presidential Oath of Office Through a Months-Long, Multi-faceted Incitement to Ultimately Disrupt or Derail the Official Peaceful Transfer of Power at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021.' Not that the senate wouldn't vote to acquit, anyway ... Chris,

Trump's defense team may have scored a point or two here and there, but their entire argument ignored at least 80 or 90 percent of the prosecution's case against Trump. Nothing was said about any of the time leading up to January sixth -- the entire defense was about that day and that day alone, really. In fact, the defense was really just a defense of Trump's speech that day, exclusive of everything else.

Do you think that the Dems may have left themselves open to this narrow, criminal-based argument by naming the one and only article of impeachment, 'Incitement to resurrection'?

I mean, I think any one of us here could have come up with a better title.

How about an article with this title,

'Gross Violation of the Presidential Oath of Office Through a Months-Long, Multi-faceted Incitement to Ultimately Disrupt or Derail the Official Peaceful Transfer of Power at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021.'

Not that the senate wouldn't vote to acquit, anyway ...

]]> By: ListenWhenYouHear http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175061 ListenWhenYouHear Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:02:47 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175061 Whoops..meant to put “This just in” at the top of the above post Whoops..meant to put “This just in” at the top of the above post

]]> By: ListenWhenYouHear http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175060 ListenWhenYouHear Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:01:49 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175060 <I>Washington (CNN)In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did. "Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy. McCarthy insisted that the rioters were Trump's supporters and begged Trump to call them off. Trump's comment set off what Republican lawmakers familiar with the call described as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the then-President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, "Who the f--k do you think you are talking to?" according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call. The newly revealed details of the call, described to CNN by multiple Republicans briefed on it, provide critical insight into the President's state of mind as rioters were overrunning the Capitol. The existence of the call and some of its details were first reported by Punchbowl News and discussed publicly by McCarthy. The Republican members of Congress said the exchange showed Trump had no intention of calling off the rioters even as lawmakers were pleading with him to intervene. Several said it amounted to a dereliction of his presidential duty. "He is not a blameless observer, he was rooting for them," a Republican member of Congress said. "On January 13, Kevin McCarthy said on the floor of the House that the President bears responsibility and he does." Speaking to the President from inside the besieged Capitol, McCarthy pressed Trump to call off his supporters and engaged in a heated disagreement about who comprised the crowd. Trump's comment about the would-be insurrectionists caring more about the election results than McCarthy did was first mentioned by Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler, a Republican from Washington state, in a town hall earlier this week, and was confirmed to CNN by Herrera Beutler and other Republicans briefed on the conversation. "You have to look at what he did during the insurrection to confirm where his mind was at," Herrera Beutler, one of 10 House Republicans who voted last month to impeach Trump, told CNN. "That line right there demonstrates to me that either he didn't care, which is impeachable, because you cannot allow an attack on your soil, or he wanted it to happen and was OK with it, which makes me so angry." "We should never stand for that, for any reason, under any party flag," she added, voicing her extreme frustration: "I'm trying really hard not to say the F-word." "I think it speaks to the former President's mindset," said Rep. Anthony Gonzalez, an Ohio Republican who also voted to impeach Trump last month. "He was not sorry to see his unyieldingly loyal vice president or the Congress under attack by the mob he inspired. In fact, it seems he was happy about it or at the least enjoyed the scenes that were horrifying to most Americans across the country." As senators prepare to determine Trump's fate, multiple Republicans thought the details of the call were important to the proceedings because they believe it paints a damning portrait of Trump's lack of action during the attack. At least one of the sources who spoke to CNN took detailed notes of McCarthy's recounting of the call. Trump and McCarthy did not respond to requests for comment. It took Trump several hours after the attack began to eventually encourage his supporters to "go home in peace" -- a tweet that came at the urging of his top aides. At Trump's impeachment trial Friday, his lawyers argued that Trump did in fact try to calm the rioters with a series of tweets while the attack unfolded. But his lawyers cherry-picked his tweets, focusing on his request for supporters to "remain peaceful" without mentioning that he also attacked then-Vice President Mike Pence and waited hours to explicitly urge rioters to leave the Capitol. A source close to Pence said Trump's legal team was not telling the truth when attorney Michael van der Veen said at the trial that "at no point" did the then-President know his vice president was in danger. Asked whether van der Veen was lying, the source said, "Yes." Former Pence aides are still fuming over Trump's actions on January 6, insisting he never checked on the vice president as Pence was being rushed from danger by his US Secret Service detail. It's unclear to what extent these new details were known by the House Democratic impeachment managers or whether the team considered calling McCarthy as a witness. The managers have preserved the option to call witnesses in the ongoing impeachment trial, although that option remains unlikely as the trial winds down. The House Republican leader had been forthcoming with his conference about details of his conversations with Trump on and after January 6. Trump himself has not taken any responsibility in public. This story has been updated with additional reporting. </I> https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html Washington (CNN)In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.

"Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy.
McCarthy insisted that the rioters were Trump's supporters and begged Trump to call them off.

Trump's comment set off what Republican lawmakers familiar with the call described as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the then-President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, "Who the f--k do you think you are talking to?" according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call.

The newly revealed details of the call, described to CNN by multiple Republicans briefed on it, provide critical insight into the President's state of mind as rioters were overrunning the Capitol. The existence of the call and some of its details were first reported by Punchbowl News and discussed publicly by McCarthy.

The Republican members of Congress said the exchange showed Trump had no intention of calling off the rioters even as lawmakers were pleading with him to intervene. Several said it amounted to a dereliction of his presidential duty.

"He is not a blameless observer, he was rooting for them," a Republican member of Congress said. "On January 13, Kevin McCarthy said on the floor of the House that the President bears responsibility and he does."

Speaking to the President from inside the besieged Capitol, McCarthy pressed Trump to call off his supporters and engaged in a heated disagreement about who comprised the crowd. Trump's comment about the would-be insurrectionists caring more about the election results than McCarthy did was first mentioned by Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler, a Republican from Washington state, in a town hall earlier this week, and was confirmed to CNN by Herrera Beutler and other Republicans briefed on the conversation.

"You have to look at what he did during the insurrection to confirm where his mind was at," Herrera Beutler, one of 10 House Republicans who voted last month to impeach Trump, told CNN. "That line right there demonstrates to me that either he didn't care, which is impeachable, because you cannot allow an attack on your soil, or he wanted it to happen and was OK with it, which makes me so angry."

"We should never stand for that, for any reason, under any party flag," she added, voicing her extreme frustration: "I'm trying really hard not to say the F-word."

"I think it speaks to the former President's mindset," said Rep. Anthony Gonzalez, an Ohio Republican who also voted to impeach Trump last month. "He was not sorry to see his unyieldingly loyal vice president or the Congress under attack by the mob he inspired. In fact, it seems he was happy about it or at the least enjoyed the scenes that were horrifying to most Americans across the country."

As senators prepare to determine Trump's fate, multiple Republicans thought the details of the call were important to the proceedings because they believe it paints a damning portrait of Trump's lack of action during the attack. At least one of the sources who spoke to CNN took detailed notes of McCarthy's recounting of the call.

Trump and McCarthy did not respond to requests for comment.

It took Trump several hours after the attack began to eventually encourage his supporters to "go home in peace" -- a tweet that came at the urging of his top aides.
At Trump's impeachment trial Friday, his lawyers argued that Trump did in fact try to calm the rioters with a series of tweets while the attack unfolded. But his lawyers cherry-picked his tweets, focusing on his request for supporters to "remain peaceful" without mentioning that he also attacked then-Vice President Mike Pence and waited hours to explicitly urge rioters to leave the Capitol.

A source close to Pence said Trump's legal team was not telling the truth when attorney Michael van der Veen said at the trial that "at no point" did the then-President know his vice president was in danger.

Asked whether van der Veen was lying, the source said, "Yes." Former Pence aides are still fuming over Trump's actions on January 6, insisting he never checked on the vice president as Pence was being rushed from danger by his US Secret Service detail.
It's unclear to what extent these new details were known by the House Democratic impeachment managers or whether the team considered calling McCarthy as a witness. The managers have preserved the option to call witnesses in the ongoing impeachment trial, although that option remains unlikely as the trial winds down.

The House Republican leader had been forthcoming with his conference about details of his conversations with Trump on and after January 6.

Trump himself has not taken any responsibility in public.

This story has been updated with additional reporting.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175059 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 02:56:11 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175059 I have to say, though, that the question posed by Bernie Sanders was, in a word, ridiculous. I have to say, though, that the question posed by Bernie Sanders was, in a word, ridiculous.

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175058 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 02:51:33 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175058 Fight, fight and more fight. Didn't the president lawyers lament the lack of context every five minutes? Fight, fight and more fight.

Didn't the president lawyers lament the lack of context every five minutes?

]]> By: Elizabeth Miller http://www.chrisweigant.com/2021/02/12/trumps-second-impeachment-trial-day-4/#comment-175057 Elizabeth Miller Sat, 13 Feb 2021 02:50:28 +0000 http://www.chrisweigant.com/?p=20039#comment-175057 Chris, <i>Also, a pledge -- there will indeed be a ChrisWeigant.com column tomorrow.</i> Excellent! I think it'll still be okay then to have our regular CW Sunday Night Music Festival and Dance Party on that piece instead of on the usual FTP column , after we get everything off our chest about the impeachment vote, I mean. Oh, wait ... you won't be doing a Sunday column, too ... will you? :) By the way, how did you like my special dedication last Sunday night? Chris,

Also, a pledge -- there will indeed be a ChrisWeigant.com column tomorrow.

Excellent!

I think it'll still be okay then to have our regular CW Sunday Night Music Festival and Dance Party on that piece instead of on the usual FTP column , after we get everything off our chest about the impeachment vote, I mean.

Oh, wait ... you won't be doing a Sunday column, too ... will you? :)

By the way, how did you like my special dedication last Sunday night?

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