Trump didn’t exactly throw his schlock troops under the bus, he strongly suggested it might be fun...and most of them seemed to enjoy themselves.

Did you watch the video at the link I posted? It's was the proverbial "cover your ass" video where you distance yourself from the criminals who committed multiple crimes -- up to and including murdering a police officer -- but only after you personally sent them to the capitol to interfere in the constitutional responsibility of America's elected Senators and Representatives who on that day were certifying the election of which you yourself were on the losing end. Immediately after, Trump tells them: "We love you; you're very special." And then the next day, true to Trumpian form, the next day he distances himself from his multiple requests to "march to the capitol" and "take back our country." Trump used them to actively interrupt a constitutional mandate, and that's a violation of his oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." When it backfired and people died, he began covering his own ass and throwing them under the bus. Some of them are upset about it, and others have decided it's a "deep fake" video that isn't Trump at all. Sad isn't it?

Casualties were light and most of the MAGA seems to have gone bar crawling that night.

MAGAts are crawlers.

In the cold light of dawn some of them may have realized the charge was not a good idea....They survived the engagement but they didn’t hold their objective and have exposed themselves to legal typhoid.

It was preplanned for weeks. They're planning more.

Contrary to pop culture, The Revolution WAS Televised and buddy, you are fingered.

Short fingered but fingered nevertheless.

know what is better than divided government? sliced pie. it accomplishes much more, and it tastes a lot sweeter.

Yes! And it is the responsibility of every journalist to inform the people about the greatness of pie. Where is our article pushing pie for the people? How long must we troll this site for our just desserts?

Bake up. Rise up. Pies up.
Get real whipped cream.

As I've been reading in some more thoughtful pieces, the clowns in the costumes have been getting all the publicity. Colorful idiots, etc.

But in fact there was a core group that led the penetration of the Capitol, dressed in black combat gear, masked, armed, and carrying wrist-ties in bulk. They showed all the signs of being ex-military, if not worse (i.e., active duty law enforcement or military).

They missed capturing any Congressmen, but who can doubt they were looking to take, and possibly/probably, execute hostages in exchange for an electoral vote victory for Trump? Give me Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's or Nancy Pelosi's life expectancy if these guys had managed to capture them?

This looked like a clown show, but at its core it was no clown show at all. And if they ever even capture these guys, I doubt they'll 'talk' or incriminate any higher-ups who may have coordinated this attack with the suspiciously lax security perimeter of the Capitol on the day.

It does warm the heart.

It does warm the hesrt.

I don’t think the costumed vandals being rounded up by law enforcement are going to hold up well under interrogation....if you recall the Seinfeld episode where Kramer was a murder suspect...I think the suspects are going break down just like Kramer did... But Kramer had an alibi. All the Capital Gang have is incriminating videos of their caper. If this was movie, nobody would think the plot was plausible.

Ahhh.... The best news I've heard in a long, long time.

Twitter, @realDonaldTrump...

lol

LL&P

No, seriously...

I thought you were referring to him. It fits perfectly. I guess it can refer to more than one thing...

"an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence"

Donald T Trump was and still remains, the head of that government.

Do you see how inssurection doesn't fit?

Putsch--

"an attempt to remove a government by force"

Elegantly less precise, but more apt.

source--

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/english?q=English

LL&P

"remember that the one and only last time that we actually had a constitutional convention, they completely threw out the old constitution and wrote a totally new one"

True enough, but the Articles of Confederation were deemed inadequate and the Constitutional Convention of '87 produced a system of government good enough to make the USA a 2 ocean, global power instead of a tidal backwater with a 3 cornered economy based on rum, hats and slaves.

A government can't live on historical glories alone. The last change to the US Constitution was the 27th amendment of 1789, which was rush-ratified 202 years after it was proposed. The 26th amendment was the last modern amendment to be ratified, and that was back in 1971. That's still a longer wait than the line at the BMV!

Article 5 of the US Constitution sets a very bar to simply hold a constitutional convention.... It would require a lot negotiation to get 2/3 of the US Congress (House & Senate) or 2/3 approval of State Legislatures. So, merely setting up the meeting would require a lot of discussion and negotiation...which in and of itself would be a good, air clearing thing.

Talking is generally better than fighting. We just bumped into some honest-to-God fighting...and we could see more of it. Trump has flirted with fascism, and he is not out the door on his ass yet. He may continue to make trouble when his ass is out the door, possibly in Scotland if you believe some the recent news reports.

"Complicated machinery requires routine inspection and repair if it is to remain safe and effective. We are overdue for a Constitutional Convention. They ought to occur at regular intervals...at least one per generation. Waiting for a breakdown to occur is foolish and irresponsible. We accept upgrading our military on a regular basis. Why should our Constitutional Machinery be any different?"

Please remember that the one and only last time that we actually had a constitutional convention, they completely threw out the old constitution and wrote a totally new one. There's nothing to prevent them from doing the same thing again. Remember, some of the people calling for a constitution convention have explicitly stated that they want to do so, so that they can put specific restrictions on the First Amendment right of Free Speech, among other things. Let's try far less drastic solutions first, like reform laws passed by Congress and the constitutional amendment process itself. That is what it is there for in the first place after all, and has been successfully used 27 times to date. We don't need the added headache of people who voted for Trump because they wanted to blow or shake up the system, doing the same thing with a constitutional convention.

Complicated machinery requires routine inspection and repair if it is to remain safe and effective. We are overdue for a Constitutional Convention. They ought to occur at regular intervals...at least one per generation. Waiting for a breakdown to occur is foolish and irresponsible. We accept upgrading our military on a regular basis. Why should our Constitutional Machinery be any different?

don't let the door hit ya.

JL

when we'll settle for "anything" outside the status quo, what we get is donald trump, 45th president of the united states. i still prefer pie.

JL

it seems you're approaching this from a moral perspective. yes, suleimani was most likely evil, and so most likely is donald, but i'm thinking more in utilitarian terms.

JL

Trump didn’t exactly throw his schlock troops under the bus, he strongly suggested it might be fun...and most of them seemed to enjoy themselves. Casualties were light and most of the MAGA seems to have gone bar crawling that night. In the cold light of dawn some of them may have realized the charge was not a good idea....They survived the engagement but they didn’t hold their objective and have exposed themselves to legal typhoid. Contrary to pop culture, The Revolution WAS Televised and buddy, you are fingered. You fingered yourself with narcissism. Lawyers are expensive. Sedition is a crime. This is worse than divorce. Enjoy.

not that donald hasn't done plenty that's worthy of being arrested for, but killing suleimani was one of the few decisions donald actually got right. it was certainly risky, but on balance it probably helped our middle east objectives.

JL

I still expect the orange one to pardon all of Vanilla ISIS.

But, but, but John. He has promised to prosecute them. You're not insinuating he's lying, are you? ;) Heh.

No, I meant if she had also put it in a tweet more of his supporters would presumably see it.

Oh, got it now. She didn't but Trump did:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347334804052844550?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Full disclosure: Trump did not immediately deploy the National Guard. He went to the White House and gleefully watched the Capitol being stormed by the crowd he had just advised that he would march to the Capitol with them. Then he returned to the White House and had a great time with Mark Meadows and several others yucking it up while his thugs did exactly what he wanted.

He loves them and they're special... oh, wait... that was yesterday; today they're wallowing in agony under the wheels of the Trump bus. Tomorrow, they're going to jail.

The Capitol police officer died this afternoon. Trump is trying to distance himself from what he incited. It won't work, and Trump's pardon of himself won't be worth the paper it is written on.

Worse than that:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany/

She said it live at the White House. The righties are insinuating that the protesters Trump repeatedly told to "march to the Capitol" and "take back our country" and Rudy Giuliani advised needing "combat justice" are not the ones who were incited by them.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/08/trump-twitter-video-capitol-riot-response-national-guard-bash-sot-ebof-vpx.cnn

The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country.

~ Donald Trump

Yesterday it's, "We love you, you're special," and today "you do not represent."

Thank you for your service QAnon nuts, Proud Boys, and MAGA lunatics... and now meet the wheels of the Trump bus... you were warned. :)

Those who violently besieged our Capitol are the opposite of everything this administration stands for.

~ Kayleigh McEnany

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Hahahahahahahaha *pause to breathe* hahahahahahahaha

I agree, wholeheartedly.

So yes, it will depend on how the Biden administration and Democrats do in the next 2 years. Voters might even reward them thru 2 Biden terms and two Harris terms back to back. One can dream and hope.

Oh, yes! One can and will certainly dream about and hope for that. :)

We would have been better off with Canada's parliamentary system, where one party controls the legislature and the executive ...

Okay, you totally lost me there. Heh.

"What do think about the trend of voting for divided government at the national level? I guess a lot will depend on how the Biden administration governs in the first two years of its first term, eh?"

I think that after Obama lost total Democratic control after his first 2 years in office, Republicans became purely obstructionist, and divided government became a recipe for the disaster known as gridlock. It became no longer workable as bipartisanship died, with Mitch McConnell's vow to make Obama a one term President, and the Tea Party cry of all or nothing and no compromise. Our divided government's almost total lack of effectual response to the covid crisis also bears this out. Divided government just doesn't work anymore, and voters need to realize this. We've had a combined 10 years of it now, 6 years under Obama and 4 under Trump. It's now a take no prisoners zero sum game.

We would have been better off with Canada's parliamentary system, where one party controls the legislature and the executive, and if you lose support or fail to pass your agenda, you don't have to stagnate, you just hold election after election until voters get tired and break the gridlock so that the entire government is at least on the same page again about some kind of agenda, no matter how small, that you can agree to pass cooperatively.

Biden talks about changing this, but I don't know that he can, and now with Democrats holding all 3 branches, House, Senate and President, his job will be magnitudes easier. He might actually get something accomplished in the next 2 years. Just like Obama was able to pass Health Care in his first 2 years. So yes, it will depend on how the Biden administration and Democrats do in the next 2 years. Voters might even reward them thru 2 Biden terms and two Harris terms back to back. One can dream and hope.

Yes, sir. :)

The trend that has become more and more the rule lately, is that that way a state votes in the electoral college for President, has also become the way it votes for its state Senators as well, in other words, no more split representation.

Interesting.

What do think about the trend of voting for divided government at the national level? I guess a lot will depend on how the Biden administration governs in the first two years of its first term, eh?

"the larger problem with the senate is that around 28 of the 50 states are pretty conservative in their views. that doesn't mean dems can't be competitive, but they're starting at a deficit, both because the senate grants equal representation regardless of population, and because the house is gerrymandered up to wazoo."

The trend that has become more and more the rule lately, is that that way a state votes in the electoral college for President, has also become the way it votes for its state Senators as well, in other words, no more split representation. If your state voted for a Democrat for President, then both your state Senators are likely to be Democrats too, and vice versa. That has become more the norm as things have shaken out over the past few election cycles.

Yeah, I understand that.

I think the key with regard to my Chris quote in [1] is communication.

How well will Biden and the Democrats be able to communicate with voters, especially voters in conservative states or conservative voters in any state, what the policies are and how those policies will be in their best interests.

That's a tall order, I know. And, not because the policies won't be in most voters' best interests. I mean, we are talking about Democrats and communication in the same breath. Ahem.

"the larger problem with the senate is that around 28 of the 50 states are pretty conservative in their views. that doesn't mean dems can't be competitive, but they're starting at a deficit, both because the senate grants equal representation regardless of population, and because the house is gerrymandered up to wazoo."

Still Democrats are already looking at 2 more Republican Senate seats that they have good chances of flipping in 2022. Ron Johnson's in Wisconsin and Pat Toomey's in Pennsylvania.

"I wish I could say that I don't fear for Warnock's and Ossoff's lives just now, but I do. That's just how thin this margin is."

I hate to say it, but given what just happened, I would also not rule out an attempt on Biden's life, by the MAGA crowd, centered around Inauguration Day.

"At this point, the Qnut part owns the infrastructure, so if it splits, they're the survivors. "Third" parties don't have much chance. In other words, there will not be a split."

A) Don't be too sure about that. A split can happen in other ways as well, apart from forming a 3rd party.

B) Many former Republicans of the Lincoln Project have actually officially become Democrats.

C) The ranks of those who switch from Republican to just plain old Independent might grow substantially also.

And, just for the record, I am working under the assumption that there will be a second Biden term.

Biden was never a fan of the nuclear option.

Given Manchin's position, perhaps there is some adjustment to the legislative filibuster that he would vote for -- limited number of hours, fewer votes to override, or whatever the options might be to kill the 60-vote threshold for absolutely everything but budget reconciliation. Republicans are fine with no legislation passing, but Democrats need to get some stuff done for the people of this country.

Speaking of the filibuster, what do you think about the idea of Biden dangling the possibility of returning the 2/3 vote requirement for federal judges and Supreme Court justices if he gets a certain number of Republicans to support his top 5-10 agenda items (things that Republicans would pay a price for voting against, anyways) and if the two thirds vote requirement for judges and justices would not go into effect until, say, late 2024?

https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/07/954518782/law-enforcement-and-social-media-identifying-u-s-capitol-mob-members

Lawyer up gang, you're going to need them. Big Daddy Trump isn't going rescue you.

even if Biden and the Democrats are doomed to fail on one particular bill or another, Schumer will still be able to exact a political price from the Republicans for blocking it. He'll be able to force votes (cloture votes, but still good enough for this purpose), which will then be able to be used in campaign ads by Democrats looking to unseat the Republicans who cast them. That may sound like an inconsequential thing, but it isn't. Getting senators on the record on things like making it easier for everyone to vote or attacking climate change or raising the minimum wage -- or any number of other Democratic agenda items -- means they'll be forced to defend their position to the voters in the next election.

That deserves repeating, over and over, again!

Because, I think many of the 74 million who voted for Trump in 2020 have the same concerns about the economy, their own financial position, and about the pandemic and their own health that most of the 80 million who voted for Biden have.

In other words, there are many Americans who can be persuaded, assuming the art of persuasion and communication is not a lost art.

Let's just say that importance of the Friday Talking Points pieces have just become even more critical with respect to the interests of a majority of the American people!