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	<title>Comments on: Reform Moves To Center Stage For Democrats (Part&#160;2)</title>
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		<title>By: Kick</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/09/24/reform-moves-to-center-stage-for-democrats-part2/#comment-169424</link>
		<dc:creator>Kick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2020 12:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify regarding the ACA, it was declared unconstitutional in the lower courts: &lt;i&gt;Texas v. United States&lt;/i&gt;

The State of California and multiple other states have appealed that ruling to the Supreme Court: &lt;i&gt;California v. Texas &lt;/i&gt;

If Joe Biden were to take office in 2021, he could instruct his Department of Justice to drop the United States&#039; objections to its own law (nuts), but the case is primarily Texas suing the United States, and removing that objection wouldn&#039;t end the Texas and other states&#039; case against the United States nor the case on appeal in the SCOTUS where California and other states oppose the ruling of the lower courts. 

Is that clear as mud? Check this out: https://tinyurl.com/y4v5u3wv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify regarding the ACA, it was declared unconstitutional in the lower courts: <i>Texas v. United States</i></p>
<p>The State of California and multiple other states have appealed that ruling to the Supreme Court: <i>California v. Texas </i></p>
<p>If Joe Biden were to take office in 2021, he could instruct his Department of Justice to drop the United States' objections to its own law (nuts), but the case is primarily Texas suing the United States, and removing that objection wouldn't end the Texas and other states' case against the United States nor the case on appeal in the SCOTUS where California and other states oppose the ruling of the lower courts. </p>
<p>Is that clear as mud? Check this out: <a href="https://tinyurl.com/y4v5u3wv" rel="nofollow">https://tinyurl.com/y4v5u3wv</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kick</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/09/24/reform-moves-to-center-stage-for-democrats-part2/#comment-169423</link>
		<dc:creator>Kick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2020 12:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alin
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&lt;i&gt;A little OT, but does anyone here know whether, assuming Biden wins, the new Biden admin could drop the ACA lawsuit currently before the SC? &lt;/i&gt;

Yes, they could and most certainly would. Maine and Wisconsin did after the 2018 midterms wherein Democratic governors were elected in those states. 

&lt;i&gt;Texas v. United States&lt;/i&gt; is a weak case, IMO, being supported by Texas and 18 states total and being opposed by California and New York and 21 states total in the Supreme Court. The issue: The 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) passed by Republicans set the shared responsibility payment (individual mandate) of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) to &quot;zero dollars&quot; beginning January 1, 2019. The plaintiff states want the entire ACA declared unconstitutional because that 2017 TCJA invalidated one provision of the ACA. 

Easiest way to remedy the situation, in my opinion? Democrats should simply vote to reinstate what Republicans removed... and the issue is moot. If the Republicans can gut the ACA with a vote, then Democrats should &quot;repair&quot; it. 

&lt;i&gt;If so, this could make a pretty good campaign slogan: If elected I will immediately halt Trump&#039;s disastrous attempt to end healthcare for millions - etc. &lt;/i&gt;

They&#039;ve been saying it constantly, and with the death of RBG, they&#039;re amplifying it upward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alin<br />
11</p>
<p><i>A little OT, but does anyone here know whether, assuming Biden wins, the new Biden admin could drop the ACA lawsuit currently before the SC? </i></p>
<p>Yes, they could and most certainly would. Maine and Wisconsin did after the 2018 midterms wherein Democratic governors were elected in those states. </p>
<p><i>Texas v. United States</i> is a weak case, IMO, being supported by Texas and 18 states total and being opposed by California and New York and 21 states total in the Supreme Court. The issue: The 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) passed by Republicans set the shared responsibility payment (individual mandate) of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) to "zero dollars" beginning January 1, 2019. The plaintiff states want the entire ACA declared unconstitutional because that 2017 TCJA invalidated one provision of the ACA. </p>
<p>Easiest way to remedy the situation, in my opinion? Democrats should simply vote to reinstate what Republicans removed... and the issue is moot. If the Republicans can gut the ACA with a vote, then Democrats should "repair" it. </p>
<p><i>If so, this could make a pretty good campaign slogan: If elected I will immediately halt Trump's disastrous attempt to end healthcare for millions - etc. </i></p>
<p>They've been saying it constantly, and with the death of RBG, they're amplifying it upward.</p>
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		<title>By: Kick</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/09/24/reform-moves-to-center-stage-for-democrats-part2/#comment-169422</link>
		<dc:creator>Kick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2020 11:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great column, CW.</description>
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		<title>By: Alin</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/09/24/reform-moves-to-center-stage-for-democrats-part2/#comment-169408</link>
		<dc:creator>Alin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2020 01:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John [15], Listen [14] Thanks for the replies. I read up a bit on this and since the DOJ initially opposed this, then supported it, if a new admin states it&#039;ll now oppose it I can&#039;t help thinking that&#039;ll give the court pause. In normal times they (usually) seem unwilling to jump into issues being resolved in the political arena. Whether the new composition means they feel differently now we&#039;ll have to see. I wonder if there are any Governerships that might flip - that could cause some of the states to withdraw. We live in interesting times :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John [15], Listen [14] Thanks for the replies. I read up a bit on this and since the DOJ initially opposed this, then supported it, if a new admin states it'll now oppose it I can't help thinking that'll give the court pause. In normal times they (usually) seem unwilling to jump into issues being resolved in the political arena. Whether the new composition means they feel differently now we'll have to see. I wonder if there are any Governerships that might flip - that could cause some of the states to withdraw. We live in interesting times :-(</p>
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		<title>By: John M</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 23:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[11] Alin wrote:

&quot;A little OT, but does anyone here know whether, assuming Biden wins, the new Biden admin could drop the ACA lawsuit currently before the SC?&quot; 

[14] ListenWhenYouHear wrote:
Alin,

&quot;Biden’s DOJ would most definitely bring an end to the ACA lawsuit!&quot;

Guys, it is probably already too late for that. 1) Oral arguments on the case will heard at the Supreme Court right after the election in November. 2) Even if Biden withdrew the Federal government from the case before a decision was rendered in January of 2021, the case would STILL go forward because of the Republican controlled states who brought the lawsuit against Obamacare in the first place. The Federal government is only ONE among MANY participants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[11] Alin wrote:</p>
<p>"A little OT, but does anyone here know whether, assuming Biden wins, the new Biden admin could drop the ACA lawsuit currently before the SC?" </p>
<p>[14] ListenWhenYouHear wrote:<br />
Alin,</p>
<p>"Biden’s DOJ would most definitely bring an end to the ACA lawsuit!"</p>
<p>Guys, it is probably already too late for that. 1) Oral arguments on the case will heard at the Supreme Court right after the election in November. 2) Even if Biden withdrew the Federal government from the case before a decision was rendered in January of 2021, the case would STILL go forward because of the Republican controlled states who brought the lawsuit against Obamacare in the first place. The Federal government is only ONE among MANY participants.</p>
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		<title>By: ListenWhenYouHear</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/09/24/reform-moves-to-center-stage-for-democrats-part2/#comment-169392</link>
		<dc:creator>ListenWhenYouHear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 18:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alin,

Biden’s DOJ would most definitely bring an end to the ACA lawsuit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alin,</p>
<p>Biden’s DOJ would most definitely bring an end to the ACA lawsuit!</p>
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		<title>By: ListenWhenYouHear</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/09/24/reform-moves-to-center-stage-for-democrats-part2/#comment-169391</link>
		<dc:creator>ListenWhenYouHear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CW,
&lt;I&gt;
The Supreme Court is supposed to be a &quot;co-equal&quot; branch of government, so it could very easily decide that it gets to make its own rules and regulations, and neither Congress nor the president have any say whatsoever what those rules should be.&lt;/i&gt;

Isn’t the check and balance for the judiciary found in this sentence in the first section:
&lt;b&gt;
The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, &lt;/b&gt;

Judges get to stay in power as long as they show “good behaviour” in carrying out their duties from the bench.   And since they cannot be expected to determine whether their behaviour is “good” or “bad”, that’s how they get “checked and balanced”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CW,<br />
<i><br />
The Supreme Court is supposed to be a "co-equal" branch of government, so it could very easily decide that it gets to make its own rules and regulations, and neither Congress nor the president have any say whatsoever what those rules should be.</i></p>
<p>Isn’t the check and balance for the judiciary found in this sentence in the first section:<br />
<b><br />
The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, </b></p>
<p>Judges get to stay in power as long as they show “good behaviour” in carrying out their duties from the bench.   And since they cannot be expected to determine whether their behaviour is “good” or “bad”, that’s how they get “checked and balanced”.</p>
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		<title>By: John M from Ct.</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/09/24/reform-moves-to-center-stage-for-democrats-part2/#comment-169390</link>
		<dc:creator>John M from Ct.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 17:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent commentary on the practical problems of reforming the Supreme Court. Thanks, Chris. 

Good additional work by goode trickle in [3], as well. Thanks.

I guess I like the 18-years on the high bench, with two new appointments per presidential term, on the off years. 

But if any of this gets moving, I would first have the court enlarged to 11, just to rebalance the loss of Garland and whoever the presumed President Biden would have named in early &#039;21. Otherwise the Republicans get everything they wanted by violating the existing understandings, before the inherent reset of an entirely new procedure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent commentary on the practical problems of reforming the Supreme Court. Thanks, Chris. </p>
<p>Good additional work by goode trickle in [3], as well. Thanks.</p>
<p>I guess I like the 18-years on the high bench, with two new appointments per presidential term, on the off years. </p>
<p>But if any of this gets moving, I would first have the court enlarged to 11, just to rebalance the loss of Garland and whoever the presumed President Biden would have named in early '21. Otherwise the Republicans get everything they wanted by violating the existing understandings, before the inherent reset of an entirely new procedure.</p>
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		<title>By: Alin</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/09/24/reform-moves-to-center-stage-for-democrats-part2/#comment-169389</link>
		<dc:creator>Alin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 15:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little OT, but does anyone here know whether, assuming Biden wins, the new Biden admin could drop the ACA lawsuit currently before the SC? If so, this could make a pretty good campaign slogan: If elected I will immediately halt Trump&#039;s disastrous attempt to end healthcare for millions - etc.If it can&#039;t be stopped they&#039;ll need a legislative plan, but either way they should be talking about this more. Trump&#039;s framing this that he&#039;s saving healthcare and Dems don&#039;t seem to be pushing the counter narrative (aka, reality)Alin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little OT, but does anyone here know whether, assuming Biden wins, the new Biden admin could drop the ACA lawsuit currently before the SC? If so, this could make a pretty good campaign slogan: If elected I will immediately halt Trump's disastrous attempt to end healthcare for millions - etc.If it can't be stopped they'll need a legislative plan, but either way they should be talking about this more. Trump's framing this that he's saving healthcare and Dems don't seem to be pushing the counter narrative (aka, reality)Alin</p>
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		<title>By: Alin</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/09/24/reform-moves-to-center-stage-for-democrats-part2/#comment-169388</link>
		<dc:creator>Alin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 15:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see the cut-off suggestion getting traction. After all, it&#039;s next &quot;victim&quot; would be Biden (if he gets elected) and if we&#039;d been suffering under 6-3 for three years then preventing an opportunity to change that wouldn&#039;t be seen as a benefit IMHO. What happens eight years for now - that&#039;s too far away to seem relevant.Alin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't see the cut-off suggestion getting traction. After all, it's next "victim" would be Biden (if he gets elected) and if we'd been suffering under 6-3 for three years then preventing an opportunity to change that wouldn't be seen as a benefit IMHO. What happens eight years for now - that's too far away to seem relevant.Alin</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/09/24/reform-moves-to-center-stage-for-democrats-part2/#comment-169384</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 10:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.</description>
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		<title>By: nypoet22</title>
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		<dc:creator>nypoet22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 10:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doing away with lifetime appointments could cause more problems than it solves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doing away with lifetime appointments could cause more problems than it solves.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/09/24/reform-moves-to-center-stage-for-democrats-part2/#comment-169381</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 08:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a shame that a president like Trump can cause so much, well, chaos is a good enough term, with respect to institutions like the Supreme Court.

I am no fan of term limits in a democracy. 

What I would go for is drawing a clear line in the sand as to when nominations would be forbidden in an election year. 

But, if consensus could be found and Democrats and Republicans agree on who should be nominated in an election year, then that could be done at any point in an election year.

Also, the two-thirds vote threshold for a SCOTUS nominee should be restored. The Court will be better for it.

How about no SCOTUS nominations after the official nomination of a presidential candidate at the Democratic or Republican convention, whichever comes first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's a shame that a president like Trump can cause so much, well, chaos is a good enough term, with respect to institutions like the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>I am no fan of term limits in a democracy. </p>
<p>What I would go for is drawing a clear line in the sand as to when nominations would be forbidden in an election year. </p>
<p>But, if consensus could be found and Democrats and Republicans agree on who should be nominated in an election year, then that could be done at any point in an election year.</p>
<p>Also, the two-thirds vote threshold for a SCOTUS nominee should be restored. The Court will be better for it.</p>
<p>How about no SCOTUS nominations after the official nomination of a presidential candidate at the Democratic or Republican convention, whichever comes first?</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 08:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.</description>
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		<title>By: MtnCaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MtnCaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 07:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay,JFC, you stay out of the line of fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay,JFC, you stay out of the line of fire.</p>
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		<title>By: goode trickle</title>
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		<dc:creator>goode trickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 02:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great write up...

I lean towards the term limit reform with staggered time lines and justices not being allowed a term longer than 18 years. It would provide stability with more moderate swings in temperament from conservative to liberal and more than likely result in more moderate picks from either side. 

Were term limits to be imposed I would also go for what I would call &quot;court packing light&quot; and add as you suggest two justices for one term then the court would revert to 9 justices.

I would also make it explicit that you only get one term, in other words no going down to the appellate and getting nominated again down the road.

I gave thought to the whole appellate rotating justices system and might think it workable if perhaps it was for an entire session vs a case by case basis. We have to remember all of the emergency motions that also need to be dealt with, if 9 random judges were selected for the entire session stability in the function of the court system would be maintained as they could deal with the motions in normal course. Of course this means we would have to extend the service time to cover the in-between sessions time, perhaps the answer is to empanel the justices directly in the middle of session breaks. Doing that would allow the outgoing to get the incoming up to speed on pending carry over issues.

Ultimately, I decided the system unworkable unless a rating mandate is imposed to ensure neither side is allowed to nominate and confirm judges rated unqualified as the ABA puts it. Unfortunately both sides have nominated and confirmed too many judges rated unqualified that are still on the bench. Do we really want to chance a rated unqualified judge (let alone more than one )sitting in the position to render &quot;supreme&quot; judgement on laws that impact everyone?     


My two cents on the matter, as you say the devil is in the details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great write up...</p>
<p>I lean towards the term limit reform with staggered time lines and justices not being allowed a term longer than 18 years. It would provide stability with more moderate swings in temperament from conservative to liberal and more than likely result in more moderate picks from either side. </p>
<p>Were term limits to be imposed I would also go for what I would call "court packing light" and add as you suggest two justices for one term then the court would revert to 9 justices.</p>
<p>I would also make it explicit that you only get one term, in other words no going down to the appellate and getting nominated again down the road.</p>
<p>I gave thought to the whole appellate rotating justices system and might think it workable if perhaps it was for an entire session vs a case by case basis. We have to remember all of the emergency motions that also need to be dealt with, if 9 random judges were selected for the entire session stability in the function of the court system would be maintained as they could deal with the motions in normal course. Of course this means we would have to extend the service time to cover the in-between sessions time, perhaps the answer is to empanel the justices directly in the middle of session breaks. Doing that would allow the outgoing to get the incoming up to speed on pending carry over issues.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I decided the system unworkable unless a rating mandate is imposed to ensure neither side is allowed to nominate and confirm judges rated unqualified as the ABA puts it. Unfortunately both sides have nominated and confirmed too many judges rated unqualified that are still on the bench. Do we really want to chance a rated unqualified judge (let alone more than one )sitting in the position to render "supreme" judgement on laws that impact everyone?     </p>
<p>My two cents on the matter, as you say the devil is in the details.</p>
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		<title>By: John From Censornati</title>
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		<dc:creator>John From Censornati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 01:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My cell phone has told me to go home three times already this evening. There&#039;s a curfew. 

I went out on my porch and, from the looks of the swarming choppers, the curfew has not been heeded. On the other hand, the city of Louisville has not descended into chaos. It was very quiet downtown today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My cell phone has told me to go home three times already this evening. There's a curfew. </p>
<p>I went out on my porch and, from the looks of the swarming choppers, the curfew has not been heeded. On the other hand, the city of Louisville has not descended into chaos. It was very quiet downtown today.</p>
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		<title>By: John From Censornati</title>
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		<dc:creator>John From Censornati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 01:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose it&#039;s a good thing that so many are making a big deal of the fact that the orange one won&#039;t agree to a &quot;peaceful transition of power&quot; if he were to lose. On the other hand, there&#039;s no news there. Four years ago, he said he&#039;d accept the results of the election &lt;i&gt;if he won&lt;/i&gt;.

If he were to lose all 50 states, &lt;i&gt;he would not concede&lt;/I&gt;. That is not who he is. Everybody needs to accept that reality. He&#039;s a mental case with a very fragile ego.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose it's a good thing that so many are making a big deal of the fact that the orange one won't agree to a "peaceful transition of power" if he were to lose. On the other hand, there's no news there. Four years ago, he said he'd accept the results of the election <i>if he won</i>.</p>
<p>If he were to lose all 50 states, <i>he would not concede</i>. That is not who he is. Everybody needs to accept that reality. He's a mental case with a very fragile ego.</p>
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