What were the numbers in 2012?

Enough to get Obama/Biden reelected, JFC!

I believe it was estimated between 7% to 17% in 2012... the GOP managed to gain back about 3% to 4%.

The point is that he shouldn't need those votes.

Yeah, that was HilRod's attitude.

What were the numbers in 2012?

Big money Joe will only repel votes from those who are, how shall I say, I don't know how to say. The point is that he shouldn't need those votes.

Allow me, EM. Big money Joe will only repel votes from those who are so far left they'd rather burn down the entire system than see a moderate Democrat hold the presidency... the so-called "purists" that are so far to the extreme that their goals closely mirror the wingnut brigade extremists on the right.

So to recap: The fringes of the two major political Parties have strikingly similar goals... goals that align nicely with foreign adversaries, which is why they're openly interfering in our elections with right-wing politicians complicit this time around parroting their propaganda.

Big Money Joe is openly courting Republican support and surrogates, so he gets their baggage. It's very unlikely to bring him many votes, but it's good way to repel votes. He needs the Obama coalition to win and Republicans were not part of it.

Republicans were a part of the Obama/Biden coalition, JFC, and Biden/Harris are following the same blueprint. Obama/Biden courted them and won a healthy chunk of them. Polling data from late October 2008 indicated that somewhere between 10% to 22% of Republicans supported Obama/Biden instead of McCain/Palin; Gallup reported 10% support, while the Economist cited a poll indicating 22% of self-described conservatives supported Obama/Biden, a higher proportion than any Democratic nominee since 1980.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2008/10/23/the-rise-of-the-obamacons

I can't imagine who cares that Carly Fiorina endorses Joe (aside from Carly).

Republicans and those ex-GOP looking for a reason/permission that it's okay to dump Trump and vote for Biden/Harris. It generally doesn't matter which Republican is doing it because it's the old "power in numbers" theory at work... because there really is power in numbers. :)

Carly Fiorina endorsed Joe? Whatever.

Did you take a look at that link I gave for the Senate debate on the Iraq War Resolution?

It's a good example of how the Senate lived up to its reputation of being the best deliberative body on the planet!

Big Money Joe is openly courting Republican support and surrogates, so he gets their baggage. It's very unlikely to bring him many votes, but it's good way to repel votes. He needs the Obama coalition to win and Republicans were not part of it. I can't imagine who cares that Carly Fiorina endorses Joe (aside from Carly).

There must be a way to get around the free speech concept being used as a shield to get away with spreading disinformation ...

Yes, I believe it was. I remember learning about the case back in 2012 when Romney ran the ads claiming an auto plant that closed while Bush was President closed down b/c of Obama’s policies. This was information that was widely known to be untrue, but Republicans still ran it.

Eventually, hopefully, most people can be shamed from even paying attention to the malevolent use of technology to spew out disinformation. Of course, people will have to have the necessary critical thinking skills to be able to quickly discern good, fact-based information from the deep fakes ...

Was that case won on the basis of lies and disinformation in campaign ads being just another example of free speech, constitutionally protected?

If yes, then as problems go, I think you've got one there.

The reason that Trump's popularity may be going up while Biden's may be going down is that it is all part of the show.

If the election is close it discourages third party voting.

The general election is on November 3, 2020. Nobody knows whether or not the "election is close" until the votes are counted. If you're attempting to claim that polls are manipulated to hurt third party candidates, you just sound like an ignorant conspiracy theorist. In the modern age, polls generally will always tighten the nearer to the election. In order for a candidate to be allowed to participate in the presidential debates, they generally have to be polling at a certain percentage. None of the third party candidates in 2000 -- Ralph Nader/Green Party, Pat Buchanan/Reform Party, Harry Browne/Libertarian Party, Howard Phillips/Constitution Party, John Hagelin/Natural Law Party -- met the presidential debate threshold and therefore weren't on the debate stage... same as every election in the modern age. It's neither rocket science nor an attempt to hurt the third party candidates.

In 2000 when Bush or Gore were ahead by large margins Ralph Nader was polling around 10%. When the race tightened in September Nader dropped below 5%.

Nader was not on the debate stage because he never met the threshold. People naturally vote for candidates with a chance to win. Again, this ain't rocket science, and it's not a conspiracy either.

This is why Biden is doing everything he can to give progressives the finger, from picking K.Harris to saying he won't ban fracking.

You seem to take political issues personally. No one is giving you the finger beyond the vast majority of people who comment on this forum. :)

Here’s the story that inspired this rant. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/02/ady-barkan-op-ed-scalise-video/?hpid=hp_opinions-float-right-4-0_opinion-card-c-right%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

Republicans use dishonesty and disinformation like a weapon to maintain their minority rule over this country.

Any chance of you addressing the fact that Rod Rosenstein nixed the DOJ’s counterintelligence investigation that McCabe had ordered into whether Trump was a Russian agent without letting anyone know that was the case? Mueller testified that his people would pass on any info showing how Trump might be tied to Russia to the FBI, but the FBI believed that the DOJ was conducting the investigation - not them. Rep. Adam Schiff was clearly under the impression that there was a counterintelligence investigation being conducted based on his comments. Would love to know your thoughts on this!

Hoping that particular opportunity won't be squandered, in the US and elsewhere across the globe. We are all citizens of planet Earth, after all is said and done.

Investing in an effective and efficient public health system and architecture is where the money needs to go. Everything else depends on this.

Because, getting the virus under control is job number one, and that goes especially for the US.

An interesting view as to possible mechanisms in how COVID-19 works. Vitamin D for the win. Or at least fresh air and sunlight to get the vitamin D...

Context is almost always missing in its entirety when discussion ensues about the congressional vote on the Authorization For the Use of Military Force in Iraq (AUMF).

In terms of Senator Biden's support for this resolution which was decidedly NOT a 'vote for war', here is all the context one needs to understand this vote,

https://www.c-span.org/video/?173141-1/senate-session&start=55296

This is day two of the Senate debate on the AUMF and its many amendments on October 10, 2002. I'm still trying to find the full video from day one.

It's worth listening to all of it but I would suggest listening to all of Senator Biden's remarks made throughout this full video because no senator understood what this vote and the context within which this vote took place was all about more than the distinguished senior senator from Delaware.

Why repost material that damages Biden's image, or tries to, while saying disingenuously that it would nevertheless be insane not to vote for him?

When actual sanity is the deciding point, a discussion of the election is no longer about needing to know more about the candidates, or making a more informed decision between two equally qualified men. I don't care how much Biden's decisions on foreign policy were as wise as they might have been. That's because I believe those decisions were made from his best judgment and concerns for his various American constituencies, not from a combination of colossal ignorance about the issues and a desire to please or comfort our foreign adversaries who he was in debt to.

Robert Gates Thinks Joe Biden Hasn't Stopped Being Wrong for 40 Years

I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,” former Defense Secretary Robert Gates says of Vice President Joe Biden in his new book coming out later this month.

Additionally, Biden is accused of "poisoning the well" against the military leadership. Thomas Donilon, initially Obama’s deputy national security adviser, and then-Lt. Gen. Douglas E. Lute, the White House coordinator for the wars, are described as regularly engaged in "aggressive, suspicious, and sometimes condescending and insulting questioning of our military leaders.

I remember Joe argued against taking a shot at Bin Laden and he voted to let W invade Iraq. So there's that.

More indictments of Trump friends coming soon. Lock them up. :)

The first Democratic October surprise could be Joe coming around on marijuana in time for the stoner and stoner sympathetic youth to register.

The second would be for the House to pass legislation establishing an escrow account for funds from Mexico to pay for Trump's wall. Just a reminder.

And mayhaps the third could be passing legislation supportive of the popular provisions of Obamacare, in the face of GOP litigation against things like preexisting conditions.

Numbers two and three are to remind the country and stuff.

The funny thing is that his supporters defend this craziness by claiming that Trump is doing it intentionally to mess with the Libs and the media. How would they know if Trump actually was NOT doing it to mess with the Left and instead he’s lost his mind??? Sadly, they did not have an answer to that question at this time!

The trouble they don't have an answer because they're not asking the question in the first place.

Imagine how difficult it will be when these folks finally "get" how totally and fatally conned they were.

The funny thing is that his supporters defend this craziness by claiming that Trump is doing it intentionally to mess with the Libs and the media. How would they know if Trump actually was NOT doing it to mess with the Left and instead he’s lost his mind??? Sadly, they did not have an answer to that question at this time!

In other words, vague promises of future, positive, results.

And I remember waiting, for several months (knowing there was nothing to wait for, but still trying to see how the Trump thing worked), to hear about the 'amazing things' (or whatever his actual phrase was).

And we never heard about the team of investigators in Hawaii, ever again.

I already knew Trump from having lived in the NYC area in the 80s and 90s, but this was him on the national stage, and I wondered if his peculiar combination of braggadocio and brazen bullshit was going to be his vehicle even at the higher level of press attention and 'serious issues' that comes from being a national political presence. That one episode convinced me that nothing had changed from the Central Park Five and the dozen extra stories on the Trump Tower. He was a stone-cold bullshitter, and he was taking it on the road.

The Ingraham show transcript you give us shows that it's gone beyond BS now. He's losing his mind, and is pretty far down that road. The idea of him winning another term is horrific: a psychotic and invalid pathological narcissist, liar, and criminal felon may be elected president, again, only in worse health both mental and physical than four years ago.

Biden has his work cut out for him. I can only pray he does it and that enough Americans to make the difference, do in fact make the difference.

And, he is looking very tired. It just isn't normal to be talking the way he is in these interviews.

This past Friday, he was walking up the 2 or 3 steps to the stage at his Klan rally and he lost his balance as if he was walking a beam.

You know what those suburban women are afraid of? It's not BLM. Their kids are out there. They're afraid of men running around with assault weapons randomly mowing people down in stores, at concerts and on the street.

Does Niagara Falls count as visiting Canada?

VOTE AGAINST AMY MCGRATH

It's not subtle. She's the one in the Dark Shadows. It's her mob.

Curiously, it doesn't mention who I should vote for.

You should try to get an interview with Biden, maybe in Baltimore or some place ...

Skip it. Just stay on the plane until you hit the Pacific and you'll be just fine.

Guess which Canadian rock band(s) are from Vancouver!?

Indeed.

Just remember to get your certificate certifying that you are free of The Virus. Heh.

Herd immunity and 6% are the new death cult zombie obsessions. Both are warped and distorted of course. Their herd is already immune to facts and reason.

Perhaps.

Lemmings and Buffalo running off a cliff I can understand, for they can not see what is in front of them, but today we have wide screen television showing us in great detail exactly what four more years will look like. And yet they line up to vote themselves and the rest of us off the cliff.

Right, and a Black guy gets stopped by the police and ends up being shot in the back at point blank range, not once or twice or 3X or 4X or 5X or 6X but 7X, actually.

I wonder how Trump and the same police would have reacted if it was a Black teenager prancing down the street with a loaded AR-15 which had just been used to kill somebody ... I'd bet the farm, even if it's in Iowa, that the Black teenager would have been shot with intent to kill by those same police before being arrested and shackled to his hospital bed after he refused to die.

Good luck to y'all!

"I mean that sincerely - I'm not trying to be facetious here."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xs2A3Kslw4

A stretch? How about 'bat shit crazy'? Hello!?

Indeedy do!

Projection; I won't be fooled by projection.

Projection. Trump's middle name. Sigh.