Is it beyond belief that these bases were properly named to ease men from the former confederacy states into a unified American fighting force?

you say your numbers are precise. precisely what? most of 1941 was before the US started fighting, while 1919 was after the fighting stopped. World War One ended at 11am on 11 November, 1918. armistice was signed. why would former confederate states need to become a unified fighting force a year after the fighting had ended? to more effectively occupy the defeated central powers? and the H1N1 epidemic relates to the confederate generals... how exactly?

i think you're talking about two very different time periods and trying to tie them together neatly with a bow, when they don't really connect.

You misunderstand, while I agree with an ultimate reckoning with the hard-right sentiment, now simply isn't the right time to address every concern.

Trump must go. First.

LL&P

I also draw attention to the two dates mentioned for the establishment of the two bases, 1919 and 1941. Is it beyond belief that these bases were properly named to ease men from the former confederacy states into a unified American fighting force?

Sorry, but the first base was built some 50+ years after the end of the Civil War. Those that fought in the Civil War were long past fighting age in 1919 and 1941. The naming of these bases occurred around the same time that the vast majority of statues of Confederate heroes started being erected...and it just happened to be when civil rights issues were really being focused on. Blacks started holding office and positions of power and the white community could not handle that! The naming of the bases were meant to send a not-so-subtle message to the black community: “YOU ARE NOT OUR EQUALS!”

It's a slippery slope when you start diluting history to better suit your daily needs, you rarely achieve your goal because it always leaves a bad taste in someone's mouth. I fail to see how changing the name of US bases will ease racial tension throughout the US, in fact I think it lends credence to the myth that all White Supremacists use as their central pillar of belief, that they being systematically being reduced in stature to the secondary citizenry.

How does taking a hard look at the lives and positions held by these historical figures — that we have honored when we named our military bases for them —so that we can reassess if that honor was truly deserving in any way act to “dilute” history? “Diluting” involves watering down the facts, not taking a much closer look at the facts.

I would encourage you to read the speech the Mayor of New Orleans gave the day the last Confederate statue was removed from city property... powerful words!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/opinion/mitch-landrieus-speech-transcript.html

Let them have their symbolism, who cares? Now just isn't the time to bother with such things, that is unless roiling another section of US society is your intention.

Who cares??? WHO cares? Who CARES? Those who that symbolism is intended to offend would be the most obvious answer! As a white male, I do not have a good example to relate this to....as a gay man, I have quite a few to pick from. So let’s take one that really makes my blood pressure spike when I think about it:

I cannot honestly donate blood for others to be given when they need it to live because the AIDS epidemic of the late 80’s/early 90’s terrified the masses so much that gay people were automatically branded as “unclean” and “diseased”. The ban on blood donations from any male who identified as gay was a blanket precaution 37 years ago.... that it has remained in place is not based on facts or scientific findings... it’s a type of “symbolism” meant to remind me that some parts of our society deem me as disgusting and diseased simply because of who I choose to love...that I am an “untouchable” and that parts of society would rather die from a lack of blood than to have the blood of someone like me entering their bodies.

But I should not demand change because it is just going to roil another section of society, is that it? Right.

Additionally, the African American unemployment rate went up a 1/10 of a percent. Makes your Trump quote even more tone deaf...

Seriously!? I haven't yet had a chance to read the full report yet, dang. So then, not such a "great day for everybody."

110,562 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

But Trump is giddy today and likely thinks they're all "looking down right now and saying this is a great thing that's happening for our country."

Going to hurl again.

Additionally, the African American unemployment rate went up a 1/10 of a percent. Makes your Trump quote even more tone deaf...

110,562 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

Trump cannot contain his giddy joy because today's jobs report surprised a lot of people who crunch numbers and turned out to show the official unemployment rate of the United States today is now "only" 13.3%, down from 14.7% last month. Something seems off about this report like maybe some of the data weren't turned in, but okay, I don't ever remember a President in my lifetime calling a press conference to pat himself on the back over a double-digit unemployment rate, but then Trump is nuts.

Oh, sure, Trump and the Righties say it's not his fault for how bad the unemployment numbers are, but when he thinks they're way better, Trump tweets out his wonderfulness and, of course, takes all the credit for it and calls a press conference to take victory laps. While in the throes of said victory laps about the "great" economy, Trump said this:

Hopefully, George is looking down right now and saying this is a great thing that's happening for our country. It's a great day for him, it's a great day for everybody. It's a great day for everybody, this is a great, great day! ~ Donald Trump

OMG. Y'all got that: It's a great day for George because Donald Trump's unemployment number -- a day Trump is claiming responsibility for it -- sucks a wee bit less... a great, great day... ranks really high on George's list of great days for him.

Now, I'm going to go throw up in disgust.

Just think of how that would raise the level of civil discourse in our society, and eliminate regional conflict.

Howcum none of you Fumduckers ever thought of that??

Again, now is not the time to roil any segment of society to further discontent, but to pursue an era free of enmity within all sections of society using the collective outrage we have toward police brutality.

LL&P

your numbers are off. by the turn of 1919 the great war was already over. maybe woodrow wilson and his staff were just flaming segregationists.

JL

I just watched a bit of Trump's word salad from the Rose Garden. The nonce was all over the place, so no surprise there, but I had to chuckle when he started on the folly of 'left-wing' economic policy. It was in fact a 'left-wing' economic ideal that helped stabilize somewhat the US economic free-fall that CV19 inaugurated. A basic living wage, subsidies and governmental programmes, are all liberal packages, throw in a universal healthcare package and you almost have a Canada, albeit a heavily armed and racially stoked Canada, but a happier place nonetheless.

;)

LL&P

Maybe the place to start is, I get it. America needs to distance itself from its past and brush the worst episodes under the deep-pile rug of history. Well, isn't that what you've been doing for the last 120 years, without success?

CW, you said, "So perhaps Camp Beauregard could keep its name, as long as that part of the general's history is taught to those soldiers who pass through the facility during their careers." Isn't that revisionist history at its play? Let us just forget the shitty things the man did and said before he aligned his sentiments to more closely reflect our own, let's celebrate his contrite submission instead.

Bollocks.

I also draw attention to the two dates mentioned for the establishment of the two bases, 1919 and 1941. Is it beyond belief that these bases were properly named to ease men from the former confederacy states into a unified American fighting force? 1919 and 1941 were both world war years.

It's a slippery slope when you start diluting history to better suit your daily needs, you rarely achieve your goal because it always leaves a bad taste in someone's mouth. I fail to see how changing the name of US bases will ease racial tension throughout the US, in fact I think it lends credence to the myth that all White Supremacists use as their central pillar of belief, that they being systematically being reduced in stature to the secondary citizenry.

Let them have their symbolism, who cares? Now just isn't the time to bother with such things, that is unless roiling another section of US society is your intention.

On a related topic that concerns all Americans, black, white, and purple, I'm so glad Trump has finally achieved his campaign promise to build a wall, who knew he meant around the White House... He could have won the popular vote with that schtick.

LL&P

#Babygate

Mr. Trump, tear down this wall!

It's interesting that Mr reality TV, image is everything has so completely blown it over the last few days.

Or maybe Trump is just the Antichrist.

109,775 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...

It's a brilliant summary and hope it wins some awards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qdd7kirwIk

If you are pressed for time you can skip the 90s introduction.

Republicans?
Conservatives?

And #MoscowMitch and the cowardly Repugs? They're so all-in on Trump they'll likely ride the tiger to whatever bitter end the GOP allows.

I guess I'm far more tripping that we're in a Constitutional crisis right now. Who will stand up to wanna be Putin Trump? The military? Will the GOP continue to collaborate with the death of Democracy? While your argument is correct I think it could end up inflaming our deep divisions. Don't forget about it but out it on a back burner.

Doris is getting an aircraft carrier... which is the equivalent of a fort for the Navy.