There are really no fence-straddlers for President Trump..

Damn, you really are dumber than a damn rock... no doubt about that at all. Yes, there really are fence-straddlers for Trump.

People are either all in with him wholly and unequivocally or hate him with a passion...

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. As per your usual.

that the incident could've happened with someone else is a lot more than "possible" - or at least a lot more plausible than most of the other scenarios you posited. as i've heard stories like that from about a third of the women i've been close friends with over the years, i just meant to ask folks to gauge the overall likelihood that her memory is real but joe wasn't the guy (reserving judgment on whether her coming forward might be a cynical ploy or a genuine delusion)

JL

"The accusations against President Trump have all been investigated..

Funny how they all disappeared once President Trump won the election.. :D"

NOT TRUE ON BOTH COUNTS

1) The lawsuit by former campaign staffer, Alva Johnson, who claims that Trump forcibly kissed her at a rally in Florida in August 2016, is still pending and going forward.

2) The defamation lawsuit raised by Summer Zervos which arose from Trump's statement that she lied about sexual assault allegations against him is still pending and moving forward. Zervos was a former contestant on "The Apprentice" and cell phone records of Trump's telephone call to Zervos were just released in December of 2019.

3) The defamation lawsuit raised by E. Jean Carroll which arose from Trump's denials of her accusation that he sexually assaulted her more than 20 years ago damaged her reputation is still active also. This is the assault that happened in a dressing room in a department store in NYC. This is also the suit involving a request for a sample of Trump's DNA.

Criminal charges in ALL cases are on HOLD ONLY WHILE Trump holds the Office of President.

Having said that, it is clear why some would want total transparency with regard to Biden's senate papers and that is to do harm to his presidential bid based on policy stances, speeches, interviews than can easily be taken out of context as we have already seen.

Didn't he just say that?

Kavanaugh was the focus of Senate hearings to determine if he should be confirmed to a seat on the SCOTUS. Because it is a lifelong appointment, it was proper for the information to come up at the time it did.

Biden should just put this whole thing to rest by stating:

“I did not sexually assault this woman. I do not know her and therefore I am unable to offer a reason why she would make such a dishonest accusation against me. I see no reason to continue addressing this issue from this point on as the subject is moot and doesn’t warrant any more of my time.

I have stated that what Ms.Reade has accused me of doing never happened. It did not occur. I cannot expound any further on a subject matter that never existed.”

If reporters want more, Biden should say that he’ll be happy to follow through with everything they get Trump to do in responding to his accusers.

That response is such a quintessential Biden-ism, she just can't be making that up!!

Give me everything you've got - there's no word limit here, you know.

See ya'all in the AM.. :D

Did you see the Mika interview??

What's yer thoughts on the Joe Biden/Deer In The Headlights???

Kinda seals his fate, eh?? :D

well, yeah... except in the VERY well-precedented case of someone being prosecuted who didn't actually commit a crime.

Except? Are you saying that the innocent aren't pressured into taking plea deals, only the guilty?

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is it possible the experience tara reade had was real but the offender was someone other than joe himself?

All sorts of stuff is possible. It's possible that she's utterly delusional. It's possible that she's cynically acting as a Russian agent.
It's possible that I'll wake up to find that it's 2017, Martin O'Malley has just been inaugurated, and this was all just a nightmare. But it seems implausible. She knew whose office she worked at. It would be odd to confuse that.

One scenario that seems at least somewhat plausible is that it happened, and it was him, but she gave enough encouragement that he reasonably believed it to be consensual, and she's making it sound like more than it was.

* i really wish you'd quit using inaccurate terms because they weaken your argument rather than strengthening it.

Except it is an accurate term..

Reade did file a rape criminal complaint..

Tara Reade, who last month accused the former vice president and longtime senator of sexually assaulting her in 1993 while employed as one of his Senate staffers, told police that Biden “assaulted her in a Senate corridor, shoving his hand under her skirt and penetrating her with his fingers,” {{Textbook definition of rape}} Business Insider reported Saturday while also noting that the “statute of limitations for the alleged assault...
https://www.allsides.com/news/2020-04-13-0855/former-biden-staffer-files-criminal-complaint-dc-police

Business Insider is a reputable media source...

Neil established that a long time ago..

Except it is an accurate term..

Reade did file a rape criminal complaint..

Tara Reade, who last month accused the former vice president and longtime senator of sexually assaulting her in 1993 while employed as one of his Senate staffers, told police that Biden “assaulted her in a Senate corridor, shoving his hand under her skirt and penetrating her with his fingers,” {{Textbook definition of rape}} Business Insider reported Saturday while also noting that the “statute of limitations for the alleged assault...
https://www.allsides.com/news/2020-04-13-0855/former-biden-staffer-files-criminal-complaint-dc-police

Business Insider is a reputable media source...

Neil established that a long time ago..

yes, all available evidence should be considered.

* i really wish you'd quit using inaccurate terms because they weaken your argument rather than strengthening it.

Just like Tara Reade's friends and family who supported her rape criminal complaint has bearing on the credibility...

Right??

one other area i agree is that the "believe all women" mantra is and always has been problematic.

It has...

But my claims of such fell on deaf ears during the Kavanaugh lynching..

but it's a gigantic overreaction to the prior status quo of women barely ever being believed when they reported sex crimes against anyone white cis male hetero.

Yep.. I said much the same thing at the time of the Kavanaugh...

It was actively disputed by the Weigantian Peanut Gallery..

Just another time (amongst many) where everyone (NEN) was wrong and I was dead on ballz factual... :D

true, but it does have some bearing on credibility. someone who has only told one story tends to be more credible than someone who has changed their story multiple times on multiple topics.

like the timing issue, it's not huge on its own, but in combination with other factors; like changing a car trip to a plane trip, or the horse rescue accusations, or going from virulently anti-putin to adoringly pro-putin, to slightly anti-putin again when the biden story broke, it all makes reade less credible than blasey ford.

JL

Twitter seems to think having Representative Amash, enter as a third-party presidential candidate would be good for President Trump and bad for Vice President Biden. This was from both liberals, and Republicans opposed to the President.

There are really no fence-straddlers for President Trump..

People are either all in with him wholly and unequivocally or hate him with a passion...

So, I doubt that Amash would pull any President Trump voters away from Trump..

On the other hand, there are a LARGE group of Trump/America haters who will do anything to NOT vote President Trump.. And many of those will not want to vote for Biden.. Either because of being a Bernie Bro (MC where ARE you!??) or because they don't want to vote for a rapist..

Those many MANY voters will vote for Amash instead of Biden..

Ergo, Twitter is likely accurate..

ANYONE who does a 3rd Party run will put MANY more votes away from the Dem nominee rather than President Trump..

Oh...

"Welcome to the party, pal!!!!"
-John McClane, DIE HARD

:D

the letter was substantiated - read and transcribed by a source who had the letter, to CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/16/politics/blasey-ford-kavanaugh-letter-feinstein/index.html

I stand corrected..

the key difference being that prior to that she hadn't made any public comments whatsoever. true or false, blasey-ford told only one story.

Doesn't make it any more factual...

also different in blasey-ford's account is that she initially requested it not to be made public at all.

Yea, that was the claim.. Wholly unsubstantiated..

I suppose it would depend on the number of disaffected Republicans who vote for him that would otherwise hold their noses and vote for their lesser of two evils. I suspect it will be a wash or slightly favor the Vice President.

Guy

the key difference being that prior to that she hadn't made any public comments whatsoever. true or false, blasey-ford told only one story.

JL

Yea.. Many on the Right suggested that with Blasey-Ford's bullshit accusations..

Did ya'all buy it then???

Nope...

de blowhole? are you referring to one NYC mayor while meaning the other?

There is only one who is referred to as DeBlowHole

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=5lasXtCzBcSIggeF24eADw&q=DeBlowHole&oq=DeBlowHole&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDVCfBlifBmCzDWgAcAB4AIABbYgBbZIBAzAuMZgBAKABAqABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjQvuGHk5PpAhVEhOAKHYXtAfAQ4dUDCAk&uact=5

this may have been lost in the deluge of our friend michale returning to bless us with his perspective,

Awwwww... I am blessing ya'all.. :D How sweet.. :D heh

Com'on Joe... You demanded full transparency from De BlowHole...

Shouldn't you meet the same standard??

What are you afraid of??

Why are you hiding???

Very good point..

Biden's story is that all women have a right to be heard..

But that's a no-brainer and not even CLOSE to being the issue..

The issue is that up until recently, Joe Biden believed that "ALL WOMEN ARE TO BE BELIEVED"...

Now that HE is the one being accused, NOW Joe Biden says the issue is "ALL WOMEN HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HEARD"...

Typical Dumbocrat mis-direction and deflection...

Joe's blank stare sunk any possible credibility he might have had in addressing the Tara Reade rape criminal complaint...

By ignoring this issue for so long, by being quoted about FULL TRANSPARENCY in the past and refusing to release his records now..

Joe Biden is not helping his case at all..

Did you watch the Mika Brezenski video??

My gods, the blank stare did Biden irreparable harm...

nonetheless, it's been a very effective strategy from a campaign standpoint, right out of the karl rove mold. something people often forget about the original swift-boating was that it successfully attacked john kerry's greatest strength, his decorated military service. whether it's bernie's campaign, donald's campaign, or reade acting as a lone wolf, it was a brilliant tactical move. character has historically been biden's greatest strength, and in one fell swoop these allegations have put doubt in voters' minds about biden's character.

JL

That means **ALL** women...

Not just the women who's accusations are politically motivated and/or politically advantageous...

This week she also suggested the media was burying her story with no major outlet except Fox News Channel inviting her to do an on-air interview
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8277641/This-never-happened-Joe-Biden-denies-sexual-assault-allegation-former-Senate-staffer.html

The fact that Biden won't open the Senate archives???

PROVES Joe Biden has something to hide...

Brett Kavanaugh comes to mind..

The Democrats and their faux impeachment coup is another example..

https://youtu.be/JMZ5J82y-4k

I believe I predicted a DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS event from Joe Biden..

There it is..

Joe Biden just sealed his fate... He will not be President Of The United States..

well, yeah... except in the VERY well-precedented case of someone being prosecuted who didn't actually commit a crime.

Adversarially, and with severe conflation of process and outcome.

A prosecutor or a prospective plaintiff starts the paperwork to bring a case to court. The prospective defendant is thereby being threatened not with the possibility of an adverse verdict, but with the prospect of having to go through the legal proceedings. The lawyers for both sides then draft a settlement. The side most capable of paying lawyers is the winner. Normal people are protected from civil suits mostly by the fact that we're not rich enough to be worth suing.

The criminal process runs on economies of scale. Prosecutors decide what deals to offer, loosely based on the likely outcomes of possible cases. Defendants then have to agree to those deals, or suffer a legal process far more onerous than whatever penalty might be imposed. The only cases that go to trial are those where the the defendant is extraordinarily resistant to the good advice of their lawyers, and those where some aspect of the case is literally unprecedented.

The editorial board of The Washington Post joined that call, urging Biden on Wednesday to address the allegations and "release relevant records."

Release the records, Joe Biden..

What are you hiding??

I miss Paula.. She was a lot of fun.. :D

Democrats should apply that exact same standard to Joe Biden..

True or false??

However, Reade told The Daily Caller that her complaint would prove that both Kaufman and Toner “lied on the record.”

Release the records, Joe...

Why are you afraid to???

Someone is lying..

Releasing the records will prove who..

The fact that Joe Biden could prove this once and for all and he chooses NOT to... is nearly proof positive that HE and his former staff are the ones lying..

Should Tara Reade's rape criminal complaint be investigated by Law Enforcement authorities???

Release your records, Joe...

What are you afraid of??

What are you hiding??

For example...???

But, you need to be consistent, pal.

I am.. ALL accusations should be investigated...

The accusations against President Trump have all been investigated..

Funny how they all disappeared once President Trump won the election.. :D

Well, you said it yourself … "Democrats have a stranglehold on the media and therefore can spin anything any way they want..", says the king of spin. Heh.

And yet, I have been 1000% factually accurate on every President Trump prediction..

Ya'all???

The exact opposite.. Ya'all have been 1000% factually WRONG on every President Trump prediction..

So, who exactly is spinning and who is exactly factually accurate?? :D

Well, you said it yourself … "Democrats have a stranglehold on the media and therefore can spin anything any way they want..", says the king of spin. Heh.

Personally, I couldn't care less about the accusations made against Trump.

But, you need to be consistent, pal.

Wanna bet??? :D

The same reason they needed to hear from ya'all when Ford made her bullshit accusations..

A show of integrity...

I'm still confused about that.

No yer not.. Yer being intentionally obtuse in ignoring the obvious hypocrisy and double standard here...

Even JL acknowledged it..

These days?? Not very well...

Democrats have a stranglehold on the media and therefore can spin anything any way they want..

But the facts will come out.. You can bet on that..

Good...

Do you think the FBI is listening?

Not to you or I..

But if Democrats are pressured enough by their constituents, maybe the will..

hehehe

Yea, I know... Hilarious...

Wait, she didn't complain to the police?

No.. After they hear public ranting and ravings from Democrats..

Well, it doesn't surprise me ...

Agreed...

But, as I said.. Why isn't every Weigantian here calling for the FBI to investigate, as they did with Ford's accusations..

THAT is the question..

Do you think the FBI is listening?

Yes, the complaint is.. Tara Reade's firing after she reported the rape is covered...

Just as the other sexual assault complaints are in those papers.

It's no wonder that Biden won't release those papers..

Why aren't Democrats calling for an investigation??

Why aren't YOU calling for an investigation, as you did with Blasey-Ford's accusations???

THAT is the question here..

Nope.. Of course he won't..

I'm trying to understand what it is that you want.

You want the FBI to investigate? So what's the problem? Why don't they investigate it?

They same people who Democrats screamed and yelled to investigate Kavanaugh....

So, despite all the broohaha about ALL WOMEN ARE TO BE BELIEVED and all the calls about transparency..

Joe Biden is calling Tara Reade a liar...

The same thing ya'all screamed and yelled for when it was Blasey-Ford's bullshit accusations..

Yes.. Biden is a Democrat.. Which is why he wasn't investigated for this rape where the SOL had run out..

I don't understand why this concept is so hard to understand..

Now, if it's REPUBLICAN were accused, the SOL expiring wouldn't matter.. The Democrats would be screaming for the FBI to be all over it..

Again, it's an easy concept to understand..

No.. Because the Statute Of Limitations had run out..

Nope... Statute Of Limitations has expired..

There are only investigations after SOL when it's those who have a -R after their names are accused... :^/

Yes there has...

Tara Reade, who last month accused the former vice president and longtime senator of sexually assaulting her in 1993 while employed as one of his Senate staffers, told police that Biden “assaulted her in a Senate corridor, shoving his hand under her skirt and penetrating her with his fingers,” {{Textbook definition of rape}} Business Insider reported Saturday while also noting that the “statute of limitations for the alleged assault...
https://www.allsides.com/news/2020-04-13-0855/former-biden-staffer-files-criminal-complaint-dc-police

Yea.. Bill Clinton was great for women too...

He still raped them..

When it comes to Democrats, how "pro women" they are does not preclude them from being rapists..

One only has to look at Bill Clinton to know that this is factually accurate...

Has there been an official complaint made with the proper authorities?

You mean, like ya'all have been doing about Trump since Jun of 2015?? :D

Puulleeeese...

that's when I'll put some time and energy into having a rational discussion with you, about anything.

's OK.. I understand that some things are too painful to discuss..

But facts are facts...

And the fact is, Joe Biden has a rape criminal complaint hanging over him...

And it's universally agreed that he needs to address that rape criminal complaint..

Personally, honestly and decisively...

If he doesn't, he doesn't deserve to be the Democrat nominee, let alone President Of The United States..

These are the facts, whether you like them or not..

When you stop ranting and raving around here like a certifiable lunatic, that's when I'll put some time and energy into having a rational discussion with you, about anything.

Funny how no one here (NEN) agrees with this Democrat...

Where are the calls from Weigantians and Democrats to have the FBI investigate Biden and the rape criminal complaint???

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Isn't that simply mind-boggling.. :D

I have not doubt what those answers would be.. :D I have known you far too long not to know exactly what you'll say ...

:D