Kick wrote:

Lastly, you just sound like a colossal useful idiot when you spew the ridiculous right-wing talking points in this forum. Trump and the right-wing echo chamber morons like Limbaugh and Hannity all have huge credibility problems, and it becomes your problem too when you constantly bitch about Democrats, but if anyone says anything negative about Trump, you bitch about that too. It's like you've got this misconception that everyone here should be posting to please your worldview. It's spectacularly stupid.

OMG Dude, this is a wonderful summary of the Michale experience we all get to tolerate here.

If it's so prolific, then it should be EASY to substantiate..

As I did with the Democrats whose racism and race-baiting IS actually prolific..

My GUESS is someone told you that President Trump was race-baiting and you simply took it at face value.

Kinda back when ya'all took it at face value that President Trump is racist, but when I tied ya'all down for FACTS, ya'all conceded that there were no facts to support the claim.

I have a feeling that this is simply more of the same..

The only ways you could have missed it is if you weren't paying attention or just pretended you didn't see it.

You mean, like you pretending that small donor candidates are actually possible in today's political climate.. Like you weren't paying attention when it's obvious and prolific in today's candidates that Big Money is the way it's gonna be..

You mean like that?? :D

It's not really up to me to substantiate your claims.

You'll note that I made claims about Democrat race-baiting and provided several examples. That is how you make a claim and substantiate it.

If you can't substantiate claim maybe you shouldn't be making them.

Saying that I heard it somewhere is not very substantial wouldn't you agree?

This takes judging a person by what you see on the inside to a whole new level; however, somebody should really pull that NFL player's head out of Donald Trump's ass.

But what's different today is ya'all are HYSTERICAL about coronavirus and yet, ya'all are STILL playing politics with it..

Right-wing drooling talking points spewed back on cue like a useful idiot. Anyone on the forum says anything about Donald Trump, and off you go whining like a wounded animal... the perpetually aggrieved right-wing whine machine. I cannot fathom why the right-wing believes Donald Trump is "strong" when all he does is incessantly brag about himself and whine and complain constantly and just outright make shit up about Democrats.

So here are the facts: Donald Trump has a huge credibility issue, and the Trump administration dropped the ball on this issue... big time.

A virus starts in China and, all of the sudden, it's ALL President Trump's fault..

All of "the" sudden? Who talks like that? Maybe it's a locality thing. Moving on. All of a sudden, no one here is blaming Trump for a virus. But people are definitely blaming the Trump administration for their handling of the issue so rather than whine and spew right-wing bullshit... ask yourself why.

In 2018, the Trump Administration significantly cut funding and staffing the United States needs in order to respond to a health crisis. Multiple top officials were fired from the National Security Council's global health team that dealt with pandemics and biological attacks, and many of them weren't replaced. As if that wasn't enough, funding to the Center for Disease Control was significantly cut by the Trump Administration. Those funding cuts were to the tune of 80% of the CDC's funding for global disease outbreak prevention, including to China.

At the time this all happened, people were advising against it to no avail. Articles were written in 2017 by the scientific community describing how Trump's massive cuts were going to leave the United States vulnerable and unprepared to combat the next outbreak or pandemic. Example:

Pandemics, Personnel, and Politics: How the Trump Administration is Leaving Us Vulnerable to the Next Outbreak

by Gregory D. Koblentz and Nathaniel M. Morra
6 Apr 2017

Within months of President Barack Obama taking the oath of office in January 2009, he was confronted by a novel strain of H1N1 influenza spreading throughout North America and then the world. At the same time that the United States was mobilizing to respond to the first flu pandemic of the 21st century, the Obama administration was attempting to fill senior positions within key Federal agencies with qualified, knowledgeable individuals. Although the United States is not currently facing a pandemic, this situation could change quickly and dramatically. China is currently experiencing its fifth and largest outbreak of Asian lineage avian influenza A (H7N9) virus (“Asian H7N9”). According to the Influenza Risk Assessment Tool (IRAT), Asian H7N9 is the influenza strain with the greatest potential to cause a global pandemic. Based on the ten criteria measured by the IRAT, Asian H7N9 presents a moderate to high risk of developing the potential to be transmitted from person-to-person and having a severe public health impact. In February, Bill Gates, the richest man in the world and a leading global health philanthropist, warned that the next pandemic could claim 30 million lives worldwide and cost the global economy $570 billion.

Despite this heightened risk of a global pandemic, the Trump Administration has dragged its feet in appointing senior officials to key Federal agencies responsible for preparing and responding to a pandemic or bioterrorist attack. These agencies are also subject to steep budget cuts under Trump’s budget for Fiscal Year 2018. The delays in installing senior leaders at these agencies and pending budget cuts puts U.S. and global health security at risk.

More...

https://globalbiodefense.com/2017/04/06/pandemics-personnel-politics-trump-administration-leaving-us-vulnerable-next-outbreak/

Fast forward to Trump's press conference on coronavirus where he downplayed its outbreak in the United States. Trump incorrectly claimed that there are only 15 known cases in the United States. Lie. In point of fact, at the time he told that lie, there were 59 known cases of the virus in the United States.

Lastly, you just sound like a colossal useful idiot when you spew the ridiculous right-wing talking points in this forum. Trump and the right-wing echo chamber morons like Limbaugh and Hannity all have huge credibility problems, and it becomes your problem too when you constantly bitch about Democrats, but if anyone says anything negative about Trump, you bitch about that too. It's like you've got this misconception that everyone here should be posting to please your worldview. It's spectacularly stupid.

Hey! I posted that before. It's just as pathetic on video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elhyo-_fR0E

I failed the Oxford Comma :(

The false accusations against President Trump, Jussie Smollet's bullshit hate crime accusation and the Journo List debacle prove THAT beyond a reasonable doubt..

There...

For example...???

Further, it's the Democrat Party who is the MASTER of using racism, ESPECIALLY false accusations of racism, to manipulate people..

The false accusations against President Trump, Jussie Smollet and the Journo List debacle prove THAT beyond a reasonable doubt..

"I am exhausted, having campaigned in all 57 states.."
-Barack Odumbo

Face reality, Russ.. You can find all you want to confirm your hate and bigotry..

But it's ALL still nothing but hate and bigotry..

At the end of the day, yer STILL a luser...

Yep... Democrats will lose black American support by the 10s of millions.. :D

Another of my predictions that is going to turn out to be factual... :D

Here’s one example of the great speakers finest:

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”

Because having the best words is so important!

So much for the bullshit claim that President Trump is a racist.. :eyeroll:

“When I said ‘arrested’ I meant I was not able to move, cops would not let me go with them and made me stay where I was. I guess I wasn’t arrested, I was stopped, I was not able to move where I wanted to go,” he said on CNN.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-reverses-course-arrested-in-south-africa

In other words, Biden was detained but not arrested...

:eyeroll:

NO ONE loves apocalyptic end of the world scenarios more than me.. I AM LEGEND, THE POSTMAN, PLANET OF THE APES...

Give me human decimation on a global scale and I am there!! :D

But we have all seen this dog and pony rodeo before.. Bird Flu... Swine Flu... Ebola...

And, the media hyped it up and it turned into nothing..

But what's different today is ya'all are HYSTERICAL about coronavirus and yet, ya'all are STILL playing politics with it..

A virus starts in China and, all of the sudden, it's ALL President Trump's fault..

I mean, do you people HEAR yerselves!!??? Ya'all are the perfect caricature of a bigot and a hater...

One would think ya'all would have more self-respect than that..

Yet.. Here we are...

Moose poop???

Impressive.. The force is strong with this one...

HOME ALONE 1990

Just call the cops you sadistic little monster!

:D

She is one of the Romans.

Nope.. She's a druid in Roman clothing.. :D

We druids were here first.. :D

Are you certain about the certainancey of the uncertainty principle?

Abso-frakin'-loutly..... ish... :D

It's inevitable..

It's a corollary to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle...

Heisenberg postulates that what you observe invariably changes...

The corollary postulates that what you observe also changes you..

AKA Going along to get along...

And yet, there are those who insist on attacking President Trump for things that Odumbo hisself was guilty of..

Sometimes, as in the case of children in cages, these dullards are attacking President Trump for what Odumbo specifically did!!!

How moronic is that???

Think of all the space tabling discussion of irrelevant things would open up for real discussions of things that do matter.

"Things that matter" is in the eye of the beholder...

For MANY people here, the *ONLY* thing that matters is their Trump/America hate...

Many have fallen who couldn't handle the reality of their hate... They are no longer here...

Who will be the next to fall?? :D

My guess is that most will hold on until President Trump wins re-election and the Dims lose the House..

After that latest utter decimation and defeat, they won't be able to handle the loss... :D

Then it will be just the 4 of us, starting anew...

A BRAVE NEW WORLD :D

Liz cannot be blamed for adopting the thinking WHEN IN ROME....

It's the people who brought us to this "ROME" who are to blame..

I really don't care if we get along.

And that's why there are issues here.. :D

Because, sans a very few, NO ONE cares if we get along..

What I care about is having real discussions

Which is not mutually exclusive to getting along..

In the days of Weigantia yore, we had real discussions left and right (see what I did there?? :D) we had real discussions coming out our arses!!

And yet, we managed to get along..

As I said, one is not mutually exclusive of the other..

There was at least some of that when I first got here,

Exactly...

Liz, JL and I have been here since the beginning... Going on 15+ years...

Things here were much better..

Russ,

Actually, the coronavirus has a higher mortality rate currently than the 1918 flu. The 1918 flu was 1.8% and the coronavirus is at 2%. This is the percentage of people who do not survive getting the illness. Compare it to the start of HIV outbreak in the mid/late 80’s where the death rate was pretty much 100%.

OK... So you say that coronavirus has a mortality rate of 2% and THEN you say we should compare it to the early HIV that had a mortality rate of 100%..

Yea... Cuz 100% is a LOT closer to 2% than 1.8% is... :smirk:

Well.. I am SURE glad you didn't stoop to hysterical and unfounded fear mongering..

Do you even THINK before you spew your Trump/America hate bullshit???

It's the end of the world as know, I feel fine
That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds, snakes, and aeroplanes
Lenny Bruce is not afraid
Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn
World serves its own needs, dummy serve your own needs
Feed it off an aux speak, grunt, no, strength
Ladder start to clatter with fear, fight down height
Wire in a fire, representing seven games
A government for hire and a combat site
Left of west and coming in a hurry
With the furies breathing down your neck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfyNlISf_No

Russ,

And yet, the FACTS show that President Trump IS seeing to the needs of those who elected him..

Yeah, he’s bending over backwards for Putin!

And yet, the FACTS clearly prove that yer messiah, Odumbo, was Putin's bitch..

Odumbo was even caught on a hot mic professing his fealty to Putin and promised to give Putin The Crimea if only Putin would help Odumbo win Odumbo's election...

I would also point out that Odumbo had lock stock bona fide PROOF that the Russians were trying to meddle in our elections and Odumbo did NOTHING for MONTHS!!!

And WHY did Odumbo do nothing?? Because he was afraid it would hurt Hillary's chances of having a blowout in the election..

How do we KNOW that Odumbo put Hillary's campaign BEFORE the safety and security of this country and it's elections??

Because Odumbo hisself SAID so!

Face the facts, Russ.. You lost.. You have ALWAYS lost.. You will ALWAYS lose...

"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN

But hay.. I am a fair guy... If you want to table this discussion until 4 Nov when the reality catches up with my facts??

I am more than willing to do so..

Because **ANYONE** who is NOT a Party bitch and who does NOT have shit fer brains KNOWS that President Trump is going to win re-election easily and Dumbocrats are going to lose the House..

But hay... Like I said.. If you want to table the discussion until reality catches up with the FACTS....

Let's do it.. :D

Joe Biden under probe in Ukraine for alleged link to top prosecutor’s 2016 ouster: report
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-under-probe-in-ukraine-for-alleged-link-to-top-prosecutors-2016-ouster-report

Oh... Wait :D

(the universal conclusion from the debate was that "the moderators were the biggest losers").

And the universal conclusion was also that President Trump was the biggest winner.. :D

Some polls put him up by as much as 15 or 20 points, which would be a blowout if it comes to pass.

And Biden is going to need a win like that to remain in the race...

he only manages to barely squeak out a victory, this will be seen as a major sign of trouble for him (even though he won).

Who could have POSSIBLY predicted that outcome.. :D

Oh.... wait... :D

Those are my picks: (1) Joe Biden, (2) Bernie Sanders, (3) Tom Steyer. As always, feel free to disagree. In other words: if you don't like my selections, then what are yours?

I think Biden is going to eek out a win, but it will be a "Buttagig win".. IE a win in name only...

Bernie is going to run it right up Biden's tail so we'll likely have an Iowa finish.. A finish so close who actually "wins" doesn't matter.. Biden has to have a shut out in SC, so anything less is a loss, no matter the actual standings...

I am gonna go out on a limb and say that Democrats will not allow a billionaire to buy a primary election.. I could be wrong.. Democrats in SC can show that they are the easily led sheeple, enamored by the Benjamins that I have always said that Democrats were.. But I am going to say that SC Democrats won't let Steyer buy a 3rd place finish. They gay guy doesn't stand a chance in SC, but there is a niggling feeling that he might get just enough support to finish third..

Logically, if Steyer can't buy 3rd and there is no way black Americans are going to vote for a gay guy, Warren will be the likely 3rd place "winner"...

So my picks are Biden by a nose (but it's still a loss) Bernie up Biden's ass and Warren (MAYBE Buttagig) in 3rd...

dsws wrote:
[62] Elizabeth Miller wrote:
Prolific tediousness in conjunction with a complete lack of self-discipline has ruined this place.

Yeah.

Thirded

It was nice in the olden days when we all just got along.. :D

In recent comment threads I have demonstrated that the money is available through small donors so there is no reason why any candidate has to take big money.

I have also shown how it could add 6% or more to the others the Dems already have from non-voters.

No you haven’t! You have never demonstrated/explained how OD would generate new contributions from people who not only have never given to any candidate before, they have never even voted before. You simply claim that small donor only campaigns will be able to raise enough money that they won’t need large donations...but you do not offer any actual evidence nor do you offer any studies showing that the premise for OD will work.

You fall back to your “but COULD it work” defense — a magical argument based in wishful thinking but not much else.

It is pure folly to think that legislation can be passed to solve the problem without first solving the problem.

I would listen to him, EM. He is definitely the blog expert on "pure folly."

Kick, what do you suppose Biden's chances are in Texas on super tuesday as of right now?

Right now, it definitely appears to be a close race, but after Biden wins South Carolina by high double digits on Saturday, I think his chances for winning Texas will improve exponentially.

So to recap: I believe Biden will win Texas. :)

Now, THAT is way beyond distressing.

I know, right!? The MAGAts want to run against Bernie.

No, it is not any misrepresentation of what Biden said. He said we can do anything. Not anything but run small donor campaigns.

Here is my last response to this misrepresentation that is quite obviously purposeful and disingenuous and betrays a one-dimensional thought process that will surely hinder any effort toward progress.

Vice president Biden is talking about the big things that America needs to get done now and fast, not everything including OD.

You should win an award (Chris?) for being so, how is it said around here … "dead on balz accurate"!

I blush... but unlike Adolph "He Who Must Not Be Named," I have two balls... so that is "dead on ballz accurate." It's a lot harder to predict outcomes that are not a mere 50/50 guess, and that's why only those with brass balls should even attempt to do it. *kidding* ;)

Hey, EM... remember that time when I told you who I was voting for?

I hope he does become President Biden, but I am with Neil and voting for whomever becomes the Democratic nominee... up to and including a ham sandwich.

I will definitely be voting for Joe in the Texas primary on "Super Tuesday," which I believe if I am not mistaken will fall on a Tuesday. And when I do it, I will think about you and blow you a kiss. My vote for Joseph Robinette Biden will be made in your honor. :)

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2019/06/18/warren-catching-up-to-sanders/#comment-137554

Well, that technically "Super Tuesday" vote is taking place actually tomorrow morning. I decided to vote early... because I can.

You have my sincere congrats!!!

I blush again... and tomorrow? Off we go to vote for Joe! :)

So any candidate taking big money is not trying to solve any other issue because the first step to solving most issues is to get the big money out of politics.

It's that highlighted in bold print part that you know I and most here don't disagree with.

Now, THAT is way beyond distressing.

So any candidate taking big money is not trying to solve any other issue because the first step to solving most issues is to get the big money out of politics.

You know that I don't disagree with that. Biden is a prime candidate to use as an example of someone who would benefit most from serious campaign finance reform. He hates having to fundraise - maybe he should use kittens, I don't know. But, that should count for something with you.

Has the subject of campaign finance reform even come up at any of the debates or town halls?

Campaign finance reform is hard and we both understand why. I think it is pure folly to expect that all big money will get out of politics with the One Demand campaign. It seems that you want the end result without putting in all of the hard work that will be required to start passing campaign finance reform legislation.

What I'm trying to say is that OD is an end result, not anywhere near the beginning of the work that needs to be done on this subject.

Remember, the older African American vote in South Carolina tends to come in underestimated, but this cycle the GOP have canceled democracy and shut down their primary in SC with some groups urging Trump voters to crash the open primary and "vote Trump" by voting for Bernie. Tom Steyer has been consistently underperforming his polls... so:

(1) Biden
(2) Sanders
(3) Steyer

I think Biden will win about 35 delegates in South Carolina, but I hope I'm wrong and he wins more; however, the GOP/Berners are throwing a monkey wrench into my calculations.

And now my list of those candidates who should drop out of the race on Saturday and/or before Super Tuesday:

Gabbard........... but ditto what you said about not caring
Buttigieg.......... because he can't win in the South
Warren............ unless she wants to lose her home state
Klobuchar........ see above, although less likely
Steyer............... but he won't just to make us all mad
Bloomberg....... but he won't because he's not even in yet. :)

Don, that betrays a purposeful misread of what Biden is talking about in a disingenuous effort on your part to increase support for OD.

Although the margin of victory for Biden may indeed be the key story to emerge from South Carolina, it likely won't matter much in the end, because the period between when those headlines are published and when one-third of the delegates are chosen on Super Tuesday is going to be an incredibly short one -- so short that no South Carolina story is likely to reverberate all that much.

Damn. Biden can't catch a break, can he?

Just for the record, you understand, I will be hoping against hope that you are wrong again about how well Biden will perform in SC and that he will ultimately prove that you don't have to be a great debater or campaigner if you have precisely the qualifications that will be required to beat Trump, clean up the mess left behind by Trump and restore America's global leadership role, and fast!

You don't have to be the award, Chris, you just have to think one up. :)

When I first read your picks for Nevada the other day, the results were already known. So, of course, I immediately checked the time stamp on your comment containing your Nevada predictions …

You should win an award (Chris?) for being so, how is it said around here … "dead on balz accurate"!

You have my sincere congrats!!!

Oh, we're checking predictions. M'kay... {checks notes}:

1. Sanders
2. Biden
3. Buttigieg
4. Warren
5. Steyer

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/02/21/ftp562/#comment-154061

That person nailed it!

This translates into 3-for-5 for my crystal ball,

May I recommend brass balls? ;)