Comments on: A Las Vegas Boxing Match Of A Debate

By: Kick

Kick — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 05:24:42 +0000

Don Harris

I've asked you repeatedly to stop taking my words/comments and using them in order to solicit your political venture on this forum... so just stop.

By: Kick

Kick — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 05:15:46 +0000

Don Harris
28

Why is "Should you get to exist?" such a dumb question?

If you cannot understand why that would be an ignorant political debate question, then nothing can help you.

You ask me that about One Demand all the time. :D

No, I most certainly don't. In fact, not a single commenter on this forum has ever questioned your right to exist, and you've actually been given advice and encouraged repeatedly by the vast majority to solicit your personal political venture on your own website along with a lot of ways you can accomplish that, to which you generally respond in the following manner:

One way to get the idea into the public discourse, in addition to the things you have listed which other than stand on a street corner with a sign I have done as well as many things you did not list, is to contact journalists to encourage them to do their job and inform citizens aboot One Demand and comment in a public forum and keep at it until I get results- both of which I do here. ~ Don Harris

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/12/18/watching-the-overton-window-move/#comment-130640

And I ask CW that about One Demand all the time.

Your political venture's right to exist has never once been in question; rather, you've solicited him repeatedly to the point of daily trolling his forum regarding your ridiculous belief that it's his responsibility to inform the public regarding its existence... a very big difference. In point of fact, neither CW nor anyone else has ever once questioned its right to exist but have most emphatically encouraged you to start your own blog in order to accomplish the advertisement of your clearly obvious existence.

We may not agree on the answer, but we both ask the question.

Not sure how you figure "both" when literally no one else is asking.

I do have an idea what CW's answer would be, but I would like to hear from CW why he arrived at that answer.

What part of "no" don't you understand?

While he doesn't owe me, I do think I've earned it by being persistent in seeking an answer from CW in the same ways he lauds others for being persistent when someone doesn't give them an answer that CW wants answered.

You just claimed he didn't owe you followed by your explanation of why he owes you.

By: Kick

Kick — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 03:45:15 +0000

CW 26 Nope, that was all me. From all accounts, he was indeed a sexist pig, in the original 1970s sense of the term. But you're right, nobody actually used that term last night, it was just my own personal reaction. Okay then, but it doesn't qualify as "right" since it was simply a query from someone who hadn't seen anything at the time but heard it was crazy... and wondering if that "debate" got so insane that "his first answer was" Bloomberg actually using those words to describe himself... which would qualify as the kind of crazy where Bloomberg's debate prep team would need to be hung... in the original 1870s sense of the term. ;)

By: MtnCaddy

MtnCaddy — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 00:13:18 +0000

Michale,

In answer to your [36] in the last column,

If the Democratic establishment steals the nomination from Bernie I'll do what I did in 2016: hold my nose and vote a straight Democratic ticket. I was not thrilled to vote for Hillary, and I view everyone besides Bernie and Elizabeth to be establishment tools, but Trump is an abomination and for the good of the country has to be removed from office.

By: Chris Weigant

Chris Weigant — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 22:48:29 +0000

Don Harris [11] -

OK, that was a funny story. And you were exactly right -- you called the winner perfectly!

Kick [21] -

Nope, that was all me. From all accounts, he was indeed a sexist pig, in the original 1970s sense of the term. But you're right, nobody actually used that term last night, it was just my own personal reaction.

General Comment -

Seems like all the other pundits are calling it a win for either Warren (most of them) or Sanders (a few of them). I can't argue with either of these. Amy tarred her brand, Pete didn't shine either, and Biden was mostly an afterthought. But I was right in predicting that everyone definitely agreed that Bloomberg lost. I even saw a few "down in flames" metaphors (although not as convoluted and drawn-out as what I wrote...).

I doubt this is going to change things a whole lot for the NV vote (since Mike's not on the ballot), but it could change national polling over the next week or so -- right before Super Tuesday. We'll see...

-CW

By: Kick

Kick — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 22:41:44 +0000

JL
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Sounds like a crazy debate, for sure. I haven't watched it yet.

I did hear that Chuck Todd asked Bloomberg a dumb question like (paraphrasing heresay): "Should you get to exist?" What the hell? That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard asked in a presidential debate.

I also heard they spent another chunk of wasted time debating healthcare plans again when not a single one of them has a snowball's chance in Hell of passing in the Senate. If it's true, that's nuts.

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 22:26:29 +0000

here's a fun dirty trick that roger stone might appreciate: if rep schiff starts a new impeachment inquiry based on the information on russia and wikileaks and cites roger stone as a co-conspirator, the constitution (II.2.1) prevents the president from issuing a pardon. but does he have the 'ahem' stones to do it?

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 22:13:16 +0000

@m,

agreed, biden needs to finish top 3 in nevada and absolutely crush carolina to stay in it as a legitimate contender for the nomination.

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 22:05:24 +0000

@kick,
i think mike was arguing that he wasn't quite sexist or piggish enough to meet the definition.
JL

By: Kick

Kick — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 21:58:33 +0000

CW: His first answer was that there weren't that many times he or his company had to pay women off (and make them sign non-disclosure agreements) for him being a sexist pig in the workplace. Question: "For him being a sexist pig in the workplace?" Did Bloomberg actually call himself a sexist pig in the workplace or are you calling him that?

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 21:56:40 +0000

as disappointing as the first two primaries were, i don't think it's fair to count biden out yet. there are still millions of people in this country who want him to be the next president, yet in spite of how well he polls people have been counting him out since june. We'll know by SC.. If Joe can't do SC with an overwhelmingly and unequivocally HUGE win... He'll never go the distance...

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 21:39:37 +0000

@cw,

By: nypoet22

nypoet22 — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 21:25:32 +0000

I wonder how many Weigantians will be saying today, "Well... I never really liked Bloomberg anyways..." as an actual new yorker, i have a reason to dislike bloomberg. he ran the city like his personal fiefdom, and when two terms as king/mayor weren't enough, he bought himself a third. what, me, bitter?

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:59:55 +0000

But Bloomberg does have that most improperly named and UNcommon attribute of all, common sense.

Unfortunately, that attribute ranks WAY down the list of virtues that appeal to the American electorate.

WORD......

By: C. R. Stucki

C. R. Stucki — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:26:16 +0000

Bloomberg may lack 'charisma', or'personality', or 'volubility' or whatever it is that gets people elected in the age of TV. I've long said that an Abe Lincoln wouldn't have a chance in the age of TV. But Bloomberg does have that most improperly named and UNcommon attribute of all, common sense. Unfortunately, that attribute ranks WAY down the list of virtues that appeal to the American electorate.

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 16:23:02 +0000

I wonder how many Weigantians will be saying today, "Well... I never really liked Bloomberg anyways..."

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 15:48:37 +0000

The much-ballyhooed billionaire, touted as the savior who could rescue the Democratic Party from itself – or rather, from its insurgent socialist wing -- and take the fight to Donald Trump with an endless supply of cash, took a beating from the other candidates and the debate moderators. And the end of the night it must have seemed apparent to him that he’d brought a wallet to a knife fight. Bernie Sanders, the man Bloomberg set out to stop, emerged from the night virtually unscathed.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/02/20/bloomberg_bombs_in_vegas_debut__142447.html

So....

Who's next up for the Great White Hype of the Democrat Party??

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 13:03:47 +0000

Former skeptics now warning of brokered convention 'nightmare' for Democrats

Democrats who were initially skeptical of the prospects for a brokered convention now see it as a likelier scenario with eight candidates still battling it out for the nomination.

As the Nevada caucuses approach, strategists say it’s becoming clear that none of the Democratic candidates are likely to win the majority of the delegates before the convention in July.

Democratic strategist Eddie Vale said he was once “extremely skeptical” of a brokered convention.

But lately, particularly with the Democratic Party requiring a proportional allocation of delegates, “it’s definitely seeming like it could happen.”

One Democrat who worked on two campaigns for former President Obama called a brokered convention “the biggest nightmare Democrats can imagine.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/483751-former-skeptics-now-warning-of-brokered-convention-nightmare-for-democrats

Couldn't happen to a more deserving group of lusers.. :D

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 12:11:27 +0000

Questions about Sanders’ health linger after heart attack

Bernie Sanders says he doesn’t plan to divulge additional information about his health, months after suffering a heart attack on the campaign trail and subsequently pledging to release “comprehensive” medical records.

“I think we have released a detailed medical report, and I’m comfortable on what we have done,” the 78-year-old Vermont senator said during a CNN town hall on Tuesday.

Questions about Sanders’ health have lingered ever since he checked into a Las Vegas hospital with chest discomfort on Oct. 1 and had two stents inserted.
https://apnews.com/019b6618cb74063df43c40d95765c2fc

This begs the question..

Will Democrats give Bernie as much grief over his medical records as they gave Trump... excuse me.. PRESIDENT Trump over his tax records??

20,000 quatloos says... NOT

I swear, gross hypocrisy must be a requirement to be a Democrat..

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 11:08:15 +0000

When Bloomberg starts filling up arenas, you can call him Trump. Or for a Democratic comparison, think of President Obama, who had real energy and real crowds, and not the kind that is purchased.

Bloomberg isn’t taking on the establishment in his party, as Trump did. He’s aligned with them on all the major issues, from guns to climate change. Compare the establishment’s treatment of Bloomberg right now with how the establishment and media responded to Trump’s candidacy. By this point in 2016, Trump was dealing with non-stop criticism from everyone in the media and party leadership every day. What pushback has Bloomberg received from his friends in the establishment?

The establishment portion of the Democratic Party and their media masters are more than fine with the soulless exchange of a service for money. Bloomberg’s problematic views on China, race, civil liberties, Me Too, college tuition, taxing the poor, and myriad other issues are something the establishment is willing to ignore in exchange for the outside chance to beat Trump.

But nominations, and elections, are usually won by people who excite the voters and respond to their issues. The evidence in support of that excitement outside of the establishment wing is lacking, at least at this point.

Democrats were hoping they had found an Anti-Trump to out Trump Trump...

"{Democrats} chose.... poorly"
-Knight, INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 11:04:04 +0000

This was written before the debate last night..

Panicked Democrat Establishment Turns To Bloomberg

Even if he can buy the Democratic nomination, he's not what their base voters want.

They spent years getting high on their own supply about Biden’s strength and Trump’s weaknesses, but now they’re coming out of their narco haze and they’re panicking. They’re so desperate that they’re willing to sell the party nomination to Mike Bloomberg, of all people. While his views are at odds with many of the Democratic Party’s base voters, it’s hard to get more establishment than Bloomberg, who made billions selling his terminals to Wall Street.

This week the establishment is really amping up its flirtation with the wee New Yorker. The billionaire businessman hasn’t won any votes yet, and isn’t even on the ballot in the next two states holding elections, but he has won the support of many major media figures. The New York Times yesterday had eight stories about Bloomberg on the politics page of its website, compared to zero for ostensible delegate leader and young mayor Buttigieg. That’s not an accident.

Last Sunday’s political shows featured non-stop questions and commentary about Bloomberg, not the current odds-on favorite to win the most delegates, Sanders. Until and unless he crashes in a debate or underperforms on Super Tuesday, there is an argument that Bloomberg should be presumed to be the front-runner because he is the establishment’s clear favorite of the remaining contenders. And in the Democratic Party, that establishment support means a great deal.

Bloomberg is spending unheard of amounts of money to essentially purchase the nomination. He’s spent more than $400 million in advertising, compared to $18 million for the next non-billionaire candidate. He’s providing ridiculously fancy food spreads at voter events. And he’s hiring people at good salaries through November, regardless of whether he wins the nomination or not.

It is unclear how many people are simply agreeing to be bought and how many think his wealth is his biggest comparative advantage for defeating Trump. Perhaps it’s a combination of both.

But even if the media and Democratic establishment are more than willing to be bought off, are Democratic voters that pathetic? Possibly, but there is reason to think the voters won’t be as cheap a date as their leaders are proving to be.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/19/panicked-democrat-establishment-turns-to-bloomberg/#.Xk02plTY_at.twitter

Once again, Democrats crash and burn....

Ya really have to wonder if, deep DEEP down, they WANT to lose the election and give it it President Trump..

Because Dims sure aren't making logical or rational decisions..

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:39:39 +0000

As far as the debate goes, one thing is perfectly clear...

President Trump was the ultimate winner of this latest Democrat bash fest..

Because it's clear that Bernie is going to be the nominee and President Trump will mop the floor with Bernie..

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:37:36 +0000

My old friend is back in the news..

George Zimmerman sues Warren, Buttigieg for $265M, accuses them of attempting to garner black votes by defaming him
https://www.foxnews.com/us/warren-buttigieg-george-zimmerman-lawsuit-trayvon-martin

I hope Z gets every penny from those scumbags...

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:36:28 +0000

I hate to say it, but even if he finishes second in Nevada and wins South Carolina outright, Joe Biden already seems like somewhat of a has-been.

This was all predicted to happen...

And I hate it that I am dead on ballz accurate with my prediction...

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:31:31 +0000

Hoo boy. While I would bet that supporters of all the other candidates tonight would all argue that their candidate "won" the debate, I would also bet that the consensus would easily be -- among virtually everyone who watched -- that Michael Bloomberg was unquestionably tonight's biggest loser. At times, it was like watching one of those war movies where the fighter plane gets hit, starts smoking, dives into a tailspin, and then proceeds to screamingly go down in flames. Yes, it really was that bad. So.... Bloomberg is now the Democrat's Great White Hope, eh?? :D More like the Great White Hype... Which simply clears the way for Bernie to be ya'all's chosen one.. :D Love it.. :D

By: Michale

Michale — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:29:17 +0000

I am very confused about something..

Our very own Russ has stated that Democrats are as pure as the driven snow and would never stoop to attacking other Democrats with personal insults..

Yet this debate showed just the opposite of what Russ claimed..

Was Russ {gasp} LYING to us when he made his claim???

By: Chris Weigant

Chris Weigant — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 08:22:12 +0000

First correction:

That should be "Culinary Workers Union"... sorry...

-CW