There are no facts to support this claim..

You can refer to it all you want..

But you have never provided me with a single model or prediction vis a vis the global warming con that was accurate..

Prove it.. You can't because it only happened in your Trump/America hating addled brain..

Not only did it in fact happen but this is the second time I have referred to it.

If you are starting to experience memory loss and/or early onset Dementia and can't even keep your subjects straight (hint: this had nothing to do with Trump) bandying about insults like "addled brain" may not be in your best interest...

“After three years of searching for a reason to impeach this president, Democrats in the House cannot seem to find the time to send over the articles of impeachment,” Blackburn said in a statement Monday. “If House Democrats are so confident in their findings, they ought to have no problem sending the articles over within a 25 day deadline.”

Tick Tock, Dumbocrats... Tick Tock....

:D

“In the real world, when a prosecutor brings a case but refuses to try it, the court has the ability and the defendant has the right – the constitutional right, I might add -- to have those articles, those indictments, those charges dismissed," Hawley said in a speech on the Senate floor. "That is precisely the action that I am proposing today.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-senators-introduce-resolution-to-dismiss-articles-of-impeachment-amid-battle-with-pelosi

Pelosi and the rest of the Dumbocrats lose..

President Trump wins..

AGAIN... :D

I really don't understand the issue here..

All Australia has to do is ban fire and there won't ever be any problems... :eyeroll:

Because ya'all have ***ALWAYS*** been wrong.. :D

More fear mongering predictions..

What part of YA'ALL HAVE ***ALWAYS*** BEEN WRONG do you not understand??

Your Global Warming predictions are even MORE ridiculous and moronic as your Trump/America hate predictions..

It's almost as if ya'all REVEL in being WRONG ALL THE TIME...

:D

I mean, let's suppose humans COULD control the planet's climate.. What would they do with such control??

Ohhhhhh, you are getting your info from watching the old GI Joe cartoons where Cobra was using the Weather Dominator to control the weather! Good Lord, it’s been so obvious this whole time!

At first I thought it was odd that you now believe that people “fighting against climate change” are actually seeking to change our climate. But you lie all the time, so it isn’t that big of a stretch to think that you might actually believe someone who claims to oppose something actually supports it!

You believe that people trying to prevent climate change are trying to control the natural climate change patterns that our planet has experienced since it was created. That is not the case! Man has caused the CO2 levels to rise over the past century much faster than would occur naturally. That CO2 has the greenhouse effect on our planet. What everyone in the world — not including those of you who openly admit to knowing nothing about this subject matter but still feel some justification in claiming everyone else is wrong — is trying to do is to lower the amount of CO2 that man is responsible for adding to our planet’s atmosphere.

Plastics dumped in the Pacific Ocean have formed an insulating land mass that is likely responsible for the great blob of ocean water that is 2 degrees warmer than surrounding waters...and the blob keeps getting bigger, making the water unlivable for most sea life.

Don’t support fighting climate change at your own risk. I live in the Pacific NW... long term predictions have us experiencing a climate that resembles that of So. California. Florida, or what will be left of it, will look more like AZ.

That said, I don’t expect anything I say will change your mind, because, face it, that isn’t possible with you. I keep forgetting that you are only here to play contrarian to anything we say... congrats! You got me to fall for it again!

"Would ya miss it?? Huh?? Com'on.. Would ya miss it??"
-US President, AUSTIN POWERS

:D

Wasn't that Lex Luthor's plan??

Didn't work out too well for him, as I recall...

We missed our best chance to have OTIS BERG.. :D

That should read 'Yup... It's as far away from causal as is possible..'

My bust

Yup... It's as far away from casual as is possible..

Also, it occurs to me from hearing from geologists that the history of the planet has been an unbroken series of alternating cycles of global warming/global cooling, to wonder if you guys have any valid reason for assuming that where the climate is at this moment actually happens to be the most optimum?

That's always been my question..

If the yahoo fanatics don't LIKE the current climate, what do they want to "change" it to??

I mean, let's suppose humans COULD control the planet's climate.. What would they do with such control??

Sunny and 72 every day??? Plants would die..

This global warming fanaticism totally ignores logic and reality..

As a life-long hobby gardner, I've witnessed a slight extension of the growing season where I live. Compared to the 1950's, I currently get an average of three to four weeks of home-grown, vine-ripened tomatoes every summer. Believe me, if that is the down-side of global warming, I say send me more global warming!!

Yup x2

With all the fear mongering hysteria, these fanatics fail to realize how BENEFICIAL global warming is...

my kids say what'll you do when CA sinks under the waves from global warming-caused sea level rise.?

Throw a party???? :D

I respond, "they'll just have to drown, 'cause we wont lem 'em in!"

That works too... :D

I would never deny that humans could have some inpact on climate, but after observing climate where I live for 80 plus yrs, I just have to conclude that the human impact is minimal.

Also, it occurs to me from hearing from geologists that the history of the planet has been an unbroken series of alternating cycles of global warming/global cooling, to wonder if you guys have any valid reason for assuming that where the climate is at this moment actually happens to be the most optimum?

As a life-long hobby gardner, I've witnessed a slight extension of the growing season where I live. Compared to the 1950's, I currently get an average of three to four weeks of home-grown, vine-ripened tomatoes every summer. Believe me, if that is the down-side of global warming, I say send me more global warming!!

When I say that, my kids say what'll you do when CA sinks under the waves from global warming-caused sea level rise.?

I respond, "they'll just have to drown, 'cause we wont lem 'em in!"

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Like I said.. Democrats are TRYING to lose big in Nov... :D

Can this be true? Were western politicians — including members of the Obama administration — paid by Iran to enter into the idiotic and dangerous Iran nuclear deal? Could this also explain why, as found by the Senate Permanent Committee on Investigations, the Obama administration lied to Congress to gain approval of the deal while it worked behind the scenes to allow Iran access to U.S. financial markets? Could it be that officials of the Obama administration were and continue to be motivated by Iranian payoffs to sell out America?

And the facts finally come out..

As cited in the AEI interview, this is not the first time that Pompeo has raised this spectre. In September 2018, he specifically criticized former Secretary of State John Kerry, for “actively undermining” U.S. Middle East policy by engaging in secret talks with Iran’s foreign minister in which Kerry advised “the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism” to “wait out” the Trump administration. According to the AEI, Pompeo’s criticism was confirmed by Iran’s Fars News agency which reported in May 2018 that private citizen Kerry had conferred with Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif in an attempt to salvage the nuclear deal.

Democrats.. Still hurting America and American interests...

While Democrat and media criticism of Trump is hardly news, the context and vehemence of this latest condemnation raise interesting questions regarding the Democrats’ true motives which, as will be discussed below, appear to be nefarious and corrupt.
https://spectator.org/the-democrats-strange-reaction-to-the-death-of-qassem-soleimani/

By not rally'ing around the President, Democrats are alienating the vast majority of Americans who support the President's decision..

As I said before, it's like Democrats WANT to lose big in 2020.....

Yep.. That about sums things up..

I do not understand why people who freely admit that they have no idea how climate change occurs feel so confident that man cannot influence it or effect it in any way!

And I stand by my response...

NO ONE is arguing that humans can't have an impact/influence/effect on the planet's climate..

The debate is can humans CAUSE the planet's climate to change..

And the answer to that is NO... We do not have the technology to change our planet's climate to what we would wish it to be..

Personally, I think the impact humans have on the planet is negligible as, say, compared to the sun..

But regardless of the AMOUNT of impact humans have on the planet's climate....

Humans cannot CAUSE the planet's climate to change..

THAT is the debate under way..

You have taken Balthy's position that Humans (not only can but) ARE causing climate change..

This is not a factual position to take..

The planet's climate is going to change regardless of what ignorant and arrogant humans (such as yerself) do or say..

It would help if you actually posted YOUR ARGUMENT, because that's what I was responding to..

And yet, there are PLENTY of real scientists that dispute your theory...

Why don't you address all those scientists??

You can't..

WRONG! Find me one place where I have even suggested such ignorance — you cannot, because I have not! The sun heats our planet, so it is definitely playing a role in climate change.

You said HUMANS causes the planet's climate to change..

Now yer backpedaling and say other factors are in play..

Make up your mind..

Actually, we have known what causes climate change for decades!

Bullshit... Facts to support??

Of course not..

Scientists.. REAL scientists acknowledge that we have barely scratched the surface of what drives and moves the planet's climate.. We're barely beginning to know what we don't even know about the planet's climate..

Climate change is always happening and has always been happening since the earth was formed!

Exactly.. So, humans CAN'T be the cause of climate change because there were no humans when the planet's climate started changing..

Major volcano eruptions are always big influencers to climate change, but instead of trapping the heat in like with CO2, the volcanic ash in the upper atmosphere prevents the sunlight from heating up the air in the lower atmosphere...welcome to the ice age!

Exactly.. ALL without a single input from humans and industrialization..

So, now it sounds like you agree with me that humans don't cause climate change, that there are MANY other factors involved and that humans, if they are impacting the planet's climate at all, are simply one of a multitude of factors impacting the planet's climate.. And NOT the most important factor... The sun is the most important factor in the planet's climate..

If you agree with that, then we have nothing left to debate..

I am about done with trying to have an honest debate with you because of shit like this:

And once again, you are responding to an argument that no one has made..

No one has claimed that man cannot influence climate in any way..

REALLY?!?! You are gonna try this bullshit?

From [49], you wrote:

The planet's climate is going to change regardless of what ignorant and arrogant humans (such as yerself) do or say..

A third rocket simultaneously hit a family home outside the Green Zone, wounding four, medical sources told AFP.
https://news.yahoo.com/least-two-rockets-hit-near-us-embassy-baghdad-000726339.html

Apparently, Iran is THE COUNTRY THAT COULDN'T SHOOT STRAIGHT.. :^/

THIS is what ya'all are hysterically fear-mongering about???

:D

You people crack me up.. Only one person here, besides me, has the integrity to give President Trump the credit he deserves for taking out that terrorist scumbag who has brutally murdered hundreds of Americans..

I am honestly shocked that the Trump/America haters would actually stoop THIS low in supporting the scumbag terrorist over their own President..

Just because we don't know those answers doesn't mean it's not happening..

But science DOES know, and you simply refuse to listen when we tell you this!

Only a raging moron would think that the sun has NO EFFECT on the planet's climate..

I could not agree more with this comment!

A position you seem to be advocating..

WRONG! Find me one place where I have even suggested such ignorance — you cannot, because I have not! The sun heats our planet, so it is definitely playing a role in climate change.

OK... You don't know WHAT changed the climate before humans were industrialized, but you do concede that the planet's climate WAS changing before humans were industrialized..

So... Even if we don't know exactly what was changing the planet's climate, SOMETHING was..

Actually, we have known what causes climate change for decades! You just refuse to accept the main one, even though anyone who has ever walked into a greenhouse knows how it works: It is caused by increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere! Seriously, a greenhouse is just a mini eco-system that we create to grow certain plants. Green houses don’t have insulation in their walls because they do not need it...the added levels of CO2 in the air traps the heated air that the sunlight created. Heck, in winter time, the sun may not shine bright enough or long enough to heat the air in a greenhouse, but man made heaters can be used to mimic the sunlight’s effect on the CO2 in the greenhouse.

Climate change is always happening and has always been happening since the earth was formed! It isn’t a creation of man, but man has definitely done things to influence climate change. Before man, natural disasters were the main influencers of climate change. Major volcano eruptions are always big influencers to climate change, but instead of trapping the heat in like with CO2, the volcanic ash in the upper atmosphere prevents the sunlight from heating up the air in the lower atmosphere...welcome to the ice age!

Do you agree that volcanic eruptions can cause climate change? I got more, but it’s not worth discussing if we cannot agree on the basics.

And once again, you are responding to an argument that no one has made..

No one has claimed that man cannot influence climate in any way..

I wonder if maybe people aren’t literally in denial when they deny climate change;

And again.. You are arguing a point that no one has made..

Of course the climate is changing.. It's been changing long, long, LONG before humans were on the seen.. It'll be changing long after humans have left the planet..

If you aren’t gonna be part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

And, if you continue to use modern conveniences you too are "part of the problem".. Get a bicycle, get rid of all your electronic devices, grow your own food..

If you TRULY believe there is an imminent threat to the planet, then you MUST give up all your modern conveniences..

Anything less and yer nothing but a hypocrite.. A Chicken Little hypocrite..

I completely agree..

And at the TOP of EVERY page of that primer, it should say...

IF YOU HAVE A THEORY AND ALL YOUR PREDICTIONS AND MODEL ON THAT THEORY ARE WRONG... IT'S TIME TO GET A NEW THEORY...

REAL science doesn't need focus groups or "tweaking" of the data...

Why did Martha Doss vote for Trump and do you think she'll vote that way again?

I don't read her mind but, based on the article, she is voting President Trump for several reasons..

She is sick and tired of Democrats and their identity politics.. If your black or hispanic or LBGQTVABC you HAVE to be a Democart...

She is Christian and simply doesn't like the Democrats anti-Christian attitudes..

But most of all, she understands that for her and for people like here, Democrats take her for granted and President Trump takes care of her and people like her..

A perfect example of this is the *FACT* that hispanic American unemployment is at it's lowest point it's been EVER...

All those reasons (and I am sure a lot more) are why hispanic Americans are moving to President Trump by the millions..

Democrats don't stand a chance in 2020...

Already did, and you acknowledged it at the time. Nice try buddy...

Prove it.. You can't because it only happened in your Trump/America hating addled brain..

I can give you the what, but the how is above my pay grade.

I do not understand why people who freely admit that they have no idea how climate change occurs feel so confident that man cannot influence it or effect it in any way!

I wonder if maybe people aren’t literally in denial when they deny climate change; because admitting that man has triggered this emergency would cause such feelings of guilt for unknowingly harming the world their kids and grandkids will have to live with. People need to realize that we all share in the blame for causing us to be where we are today. They should only feel guilt if they choose to deny the truth now that we know what how damaging our CO2 footprints have been over the decades...because they deserve to be blamed at that point.

Seniors feel like they have been blamed for lots of our nation’s past sins. White guilt is already a sensitive subject for a large part of the senior population, and feeling blamed for screwing the climate up would only pile on the guilt and make them feel even worse!

Oil companies are finally publicly admitting to the harms that their products have played a role in when it comes to climate change. This is great, but they are also still funding the lobbyists who are pushing out misinformation and getting politicians to continue in their denial of the truth. Why would an oil company lie and admit to the harm of CO2 if it weren’t true? There are plenty of reasons to lie and deny it is harmful, but no one claims that their product is harmful if it isn’t...their profits would suffer.

People need to know that it is OK to feel foolish when they realize they have been lied to by corporations and politicians that they put their trust in — no one enjoys admitting that they were taken advantage of. This is where we have to tell seniors to “man up” and get over the hurt to their egos...climate change is a real threat that demands our attention now! If you aren’t gonna be part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. It’s their choice how they choose to be remembered!

I can give you the what, but the how is above my pay grade.

Why did Martha Doss vote for Trump and do you think she'll vote that way again?

Already did, and you acknowledged it at the time. Nice try buddy...

Maybe you can talk to Balthy's 11,000 scientists..

I think Mickey Mouse might be available for you to talk to...

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You've been pawning this BS for a couple of decades now without ever backing it up.

Sorry, son.. The ball's in your court.. You claimed you can find an accurate prediction or model..

You usually leave on hiatus after I ask you about it again and again and again...

And on that day in 2017 when Martha pledged to “support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” she knew exactly whom she would vote for: Donald Trump.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2020/01/05/born-in-mexico-this-new-american-is-voting-for-donald-trump/

Remind me again how minorities don't like President Trump??

I seem to have forgotten, what with all the FACTS to the contrary

The accurate untouched raw temp data shows a slight decline in global temps..

In other words, it's only in the data where so-called "scientists" played "Hide The Decline".. THAT data shows an increase.. But that data is falsified and not factually accurate..

No amount of logic or facts or reality will convince them.. They simply HAVE to have their god of global warming, no matter HOW WRONG each and every prediction has been...

Bullshit..

Only the tweaked and massaged temps are going up..

The accurate untouched raw temp data shows a slight decline in global temps..

Just because we don't know those answers doesn't mean it's not happening..

Only a raging moron would think that the sun has NO EFFECT on the planet's climate..

A position you seem to be advocating..

Everything I have claimed can effect climate change you have argued is utterly false! So obviously I do not know.

OK... You don't know WHAT changed the climate before humans were industrialized, but you do concede that the planet's climate WAS changing before humans were industrialized..

So... Even if we don't know exactly what was changing the planet's climate, SOMETHING was..

It's logical to infer that whatever changed the planet's climate BEFORE humans were industrialized is still active and STILL having an effect on the planet, causing the climate to change..

Is that not rational???

Obviously, first and foremost, the big bonfire in the sky, plus lesser influences such as orbital fluctuations.

Actually the effect of the Sun is known and not a strong driver in climate change. For example we are and have been for a few years heading toward the solar minimum (possibly a grand minimum) and yet global temperatures are still going up. Orbital fluctuations do have an effect on the climate, more than solar fluctuations, but not enough to account for current warming.

What caused the planet's climate to change all those billions of years before humans became industrialized??

Everything I have claimed can effect climate change you have argued is utterly false! So obviously I do not know. But since you know what does not effect it, you should be able to say what does. Let’s hear it!

But since you are unwilling or unable to do so, lets look at it through the lens of Occam's razor: what's the simpler explanation, a world wide conspiracy of every nation on earth's scientific community or a self professed knuckle dragger just doesn't, or for political purposes refuses, to understand basic science?

BINGO! We have a winner!

Well said!

Obviously, first and foremost, the big bonfire in the sky, plus lesser influences such as orbital fluctuations.

OK, but in what ways does the sun effect climate change? How does it cause change? Increased amounts of radiation hitting the earth?

If you don't see the con, if you still believe in the con, then you should immediately cease all use of electronics and combustion engines.. Because, when you use those things you are part of the problem you claim exists..

You've been pawning this BS for a couple of decades now without ever backing it up. But since you are unwilling or unable to do so, lets look at it through the lens of Occam's razor: what's the simpler explanation, a world wide conspiracy of every nation on earth's scientific community or a self professed knuckle dragger just doesn't, or for political purposes refuses, to understand basic science?

Even you are not this dumb! We were discussing your apparent claim that “Cause” and “Control” share the same definition since you believe you they are interchangeable without altering the meaning of the statement.

God you suck at this! Your attempts at mental gymnastics and twisting words to try to hide having your lies called out is really pathetic. In the end, we both know that you are wrong and you know it!

Honestly, I believe that our country’s only hope for survival is to be rid of people who choose to lie constantly for whatever reason they want to try to justify their dishonesty. You cannot be reasoned with. You refuse to reside in a reality that values truth or honesty above personal gain. You are toxic and we don’t need you or want you. Fortunately, your time here is almost over. How sad that the generation that followed the “Greatest Generation” would wind up being remembered as the “WORST Generation”!

Apparently not so obvious to those who use fear-mongering to pursue a detrimental agenda..

I'll answer your question with a question..

The planet's climate has been changing for billions of years..

What caused the planet's climate to change all those billions of years before humans became industrialized??

Instead, the quibblers’ chorus raised questions of timing and expressed fear of escalation and retaliation. In the context of Iran’s military aggression and Soleimani’s bloody hands, there is another word for that fear: appeasement.

HHPTDS

It's not pretty...

Obviously, first and foremost, the big bonfire in the sky, plus lesser influences such as orbital fluctuations.

Humans cannot STOP the climate from changing..

So tell me what does cause the climate to change? If mankind plays no role, what does?

So this is all about the fear of some people losing money! And your proof of this being what results from fighting climate change? Lemme guess... it comes from an organization funded by the Cock...I meant, Koch brothers? Surprise, surprise, surprise!

“Whole entire economies” being wrecked? Are you sure it wouldn’t be “partially entire economies” that might be hurt? Or just the profits of a few major corporations?

Funny, the growth of the alternative energy sector has already been a huge benefit to the economy. Yes, places like Russia that have their entire economy riding on a single export and refuse to diversify their markets will suffer economically, so you ignoring the truth in favor of parroting their propaganda shouldn’t surprise anyone.

In fact, fighting climate change creates far more jobs and income than ignoring it would. Seriously, you must get awfully sore being used by these oil companies day after day!

Apparently, you haven't read any of Blathy's comments.. :eyeroll:

Everyone who causes a fire to start is able to control that fire? Children who die in fires that they accidentally caused were actually suicidal? Why do we have what is referred to as “controlled fires” if all fire is under man’s control?

Yea... Cuz a fire is equivalent to an entire planet's climate...

You know how I know when I have you???

When you start making utterly bullshit and ridiculous comments like that one..

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Anyone who thinks that humans CAN control the planet's climate is ignorant or a moron..

Again, you are the only person claiming this. So I guess that means that you intentionally being dishonest is now called “semantics”, is that it?

Everyone who causes a fire to start is able to control that fire? Children who die in fires that they accidentally caused were actually suicidal? Why do we have what is referred to as “controlled fires” if all fire is under man’s control?

How frustrating it must get for you! I mean it takes work to spin so many lies, yet they never fool anyone...you always get caught up in your own lies.

And remind the few...
When ill of us they speak...
That we are all that stands between...
The monsters and the weak...

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13839e8d10b9303c8d9aee50576e15b15f4844be91d15073a21097a85b780c50.jpg

No.. If you are wrong, you will have totally wrecked whole entire economies..

And it's very relevant that, to date, you and your fellow global warming fanatics have ***ALWAYS*** been wrong..

if THEY are wrong, then we face disasters on a global scale and they face lawsuits demanding that they pay for damages they helped cause.

Using that childish reasoning, you should never leave your house because of what *MIGHT* happen..

You and your fellow fanatics have been promising the end of the world for decades now..

Occasional Cortex is the latest moron with her "12 years" bullshit.

And ya'all have ALWAYS been wrong..

You morons can only cry wolf so many times before you become a laughing stock..

And that's where ya'all are now..

A laughing stock..

Says the Republican parrot! Here is the problem with this line of (not)thinking by you:

This is NOT simply part of the Democrats’ agenda, every country in the world but us and one or two dictatorships agree that this problem exists! But again, you trust those good people at Big Oil to tell you the REAL truth. What reason do THEY have to lie to u$?

Look at it this way:

If we are wrong, then nothing happens that could harm us!

If you...I should not say “you” because we know that you aren’t the one coming up with this crap, “YOU” just repeat it like a good parrot...if THEY are wrong, then we face disasters on a global scale and they face lawsuits demanding that they pay for damages they helped cause.

Humans cannot STOP the climate from changing..

These are facts.. Indisputable facts..

How did the planet's climate change in the past with no humans around to do it??

That’s a great question for YOU to answer, Michale!

How did the planet’s climate change in the past before man showed up?

Are you suggesting that the climate never changes?

And if it does change on its own, what causes those changes to occur? Do major volcanic eruptions have any effect on climate change?

But your problem is it's ya'all global warming fear mongering fanatics who have been wrong.

EVERY Prediction... WRONG

EVERY Model... WRONG

The planet is under NO THREAT of destruction in our lifetimes and in our children's children's lifetime..

This hysterical fear mongering is just you and your fellow Dumbocrats way to push an agenda..

How do all electronics contribute to the problem that you claim doesn’t exist? And if combustion engines have no effect on things like the air we breathe, then by all means go into your garage, close the door, and crank up your car! Prove us wrong!

Idiots like you were crowing about how there were no studies that PROVED cigarette smoking CAUSED cancer for decades no matter how many were put before you.

Either you have such a fragile ego that you cannot handle the idea of admitting that for years, a corporation that you trusted tricked you into believing their bullshit claims that their products are completely safe; or you blame your lack of education for your crappy life and that resentment is why you feel the need to disagree with any science the Republicans tell you is wrong — or maybe I was wrong about you being too smart to believe Trump’s claim of being a genius who just feels that climate change is fake based on the fact that he had an uncle who worked in the physics department at MIT.

Point is, no matter what your reason for parroting the oil companies’ misinformation campaigns: you are wrong, you know you are wrong, and while you may enjoy saying this crap just to get a rise out of liberals, at the end of the day you know that you are just a corporate pimp’s sex slave — getting used and humiliated by them on a daily basis! Seriously, I am sure most people here find you frustrating, at most, but I cannot imagine how much you must hate yourself to knowingly parrot people who use you and could not care less about you!

And **BOOM**...

Pelosi is rendered impotent...

Humans cannot cause the climate to change...

Humans cannot STOP the climate from changing..

Once you accept those two facts and the reality then you will be well on your way to understanding the utter con that is the Global Warming religion..

If you don't see the con, if you still believe in the con, then you should immediately cease all use of electronics and combustion engines.. Because, when you use those things you are part of the problem you claim exists..

If humans cause the planet's climate to change and the planet's climate has been changing for billions of years and humans have only be industrialized for 60 of that billions of years...

WHAT caused the planet's climate to change where there WERE NO HUMANS???

How did the planet's climate change in the past with no humans around to do it??

Which says NOTHING about humans causing the planet's climate to change..

THINK, Balthy..

If humans could really control the climate, as you claim, we could deflect hurricanes.. hell.. We could ELIMINATE hurricanes.. No more tornados...

HUMANS CANNOT CONTROL THE PLANET'S CLIMATE...

Anyone who thinks that humans CAN control the planet's climate is ignorant or a moron..

All 11,000 of them? And there are lots of quotes.

From who?? Mickey Mouse?? Or Dundledorf??

That's more than propaganda.

It's really not.. It's a single guy who releases the same bullshit year after year and simply updates it for the current year..

It's BLATANT propaganda..

You're Sociopathic.

If, by "sociopathic" you mean dead on ballz factually accurate...

Why yes.. Yes I am..

I see nothing in there that those scientists claim that humans have caused the planet's climate to change..

..stating "clearly and unequivocally" that humans could endure "untold suffering" if massive changes aren't made to the biosphere. . .

And none of the scientists are named or quoted.

All 11,000 of them? And there are lots of quotes.

You just have propaganda.. No facts..

That's more than propaganda. If you can't see that

You're Sociopathic.

Still another "scientist" who signed on was Araminta Aardvark from the UNIVERSITY OF NEASDEN

You see, this is EXACTLY the problem with most of ya'all..

Ya'all have absolutely NO CRITICAL THINKING skills.

You buy into ANY bullshit spewage that comes down the road as long as it fits your hate and bigoted agenda..

It's why ya'all (NEN) always lose debates with me..

You bring hysterical nonsense to the debate.. I bring facts and reality..

The shadowy Iranian spy chief who helped plan Benghazi

But don’t be fooled: It’s only a partnership of convenience, and one that won’t last.
https://nypost.com/2014/06/20/how-irans-spy-chief-paid-for-the-benghazi-attack/

If this is true—and it seems vastly more likely than Susan Rice’s “explanation”—then what just occurred at Baghdad Airport is a prime, and highly-justified, example of that old saw: what goes around comes around.

So.. It turns out that President Trump finally got revenge for Benghazi..

Once again, the Odumbo Administration dropped the ball and Americans paid with their lives..

Meanwhile the Democratic candidates are demonstrating uniform cowardice in the face of the action. Is there one of them you would want to have beside you in a foxhole?
https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-derangement-syndrome-skyrockets-over-soleimani_3193863.html

If Democrats wanted a snowball's chance in hell of winning the election, they would have supported President Trump to the hilt..

As it stands now, with the Democrats siding with Iran, it's all but guaranteed that lose the House..

The presidency?? It's a given that President Trump will be re-elected..

Except, of course, the facts prove that the US is not dependent on foreign as it once was...

Thanx to President Trump..

So, yer just spewing nothing but hate-based bullshit..

Again, I have to ask..

Why do ya'all continue to spew yer bullshit lies when you know I will call ya'all on them??

And TS declares his undying devotion to Iran..

"The hate is strong with this one"

Funny thing about those 11,000 "scientists"..

One of them was named "Mouse, Mickey"...

Another one was Albus Dumbledore whose job was listed as HEADMASTER AT HOGWARTS

Still another "scientist" who signed on was Araminta Aardvark from the UNIVERSITY OF NEASDEN

Climate Depot’s Marc Morano noted that the alliance posted a similar declaration in 2017, and that both were spearheaded by OSU forestry professor William J. Ripple, but that the previous petition was signed by 15,000 “world scientists.”

“Strangely, the world’s about to die and yet none of the top climate scientists are willing to put their name on the list,” she said.

And here I thought you wanted to discuss this issue SERIOUSLY... :eyeroll:

Tell Professor Mickey Mouse to shove it..

There is no "climate emergency"..

Even if their was, humans lack the technological capability to do anything about to stop it.

Anyway, the foreign policy part of preamble to this week's FTP really stole the show from the talking points themselves IMHOP.

"Is there even a plan? Are there even projections? Does anyone at the Pentagon or the C.I.A. or in the White House really know what our ultimate objective really is, at this point? Are there a few contingency plans lying around for what could happen next? It'd be nice to hear some answers to those questions, to reassure America that Trump didn't just decide to do this in some hissy fit with no regard for the consequences."

In order of the above questions, I would wager:

1) Plan? - A work in progress
2) Objective? - Nothing beyond the Fox News Cycle
3) Contingency plans? The usual - Just wing it
4) Hissy fit? Bingo!

Immediately prior to the operational briefing, did Trump even know the name of the guy he was whacking? Could he recall the name now without a cue card? Does he know what QUDS capabilities are?

The Iranians will probably have a much better planned counter response. Mafia Donald thinks he understands the game, but he's just a failed Real Estate Punk with Mafia Connections and Mafia-esque aspirations. Trump's chaos loving base is happy enough with that sort of President. I suspect Trump's corporate backers didn't see this one coming and are reaching for their antacids - or some thing stronger. Higher oil prices could knee cap the economy and end the Good Times.

The planet is BILLIONS of years old.. The planet's climate has been changing for all of that time.

Humans on this planet?? Oh, the last 100,000 years or so...

Industrialized humans?? The last 60 years..

So, I have to ask..

If humans cause the planet's climate to change and the planet's climate has been changing for billions of years and humans have only be industrialized for 60 of that billions of years...

This begs the question.

WHAT caused the planet's climate to change where there WERE NO HUMANS???

That is why your entire theory is bullshit..

And none of the scientists are named or quoted..

In other words.. You just have propaganda.. No facts..

So, your comment is a 3 time EPIC fail...

• Stabilizing, and, ideally, gradually reducing population growth "within a time frame that ensures social integrity."

Will 11,000 do?

The facts clearly indicate that it's DEMOCRATS who are terrified of impeachment.

What else explains Pelosi's bone head play not to send over the Articles of Impeachment?

The hackers posted: "This is message from the Islamic Republic of Iran.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-iran-launches-cyber-attack-21216337

OH MY GODS!!!

What EVER will Americans do without the FEDERAL DEPOSITORY LIBRARY PROGRAM!!!

"Oh my god, what a fucking nightmare!!!"
-Marisa Tomeii, MY COUSIN VINNY

Ya'all look pretty silly and ridiculous right now with all your bullshit fear mongering.. :D

Iran won't escalate things because they know that, unlike that wimp candy-ass Obama, President Trump is MORE than willing to take it to the next level and inflict more massive pain than Iran could EVER hope to inflict on the US..

In other words, you concede that NO SCIENTIST has claimed that humans have caused the planet's climate to change..

I accept your concession..

Yes, Putin DID need to do something.

According to Odumbo, Putin needed to give Obama space..

And, as YA'ALL define it, space is "something of value" that Odumbo needed..

How sad for you that Obama was still working on behalf of our country when he said this;

Nope.. Odumbo was working for his re-election..

JUST LIKE you accuse President Trump of doing.

Once again.. Ya'all make accusations against President Trump that DEMOCRATS are guilty of..

They are reporting how Trump was running around Mar-Lard-Ass telling everyone that “something big was gonna happen soon” the day before the assassination of the Iranian general. He’s getting terrified about being impeached and facing criminal prosecution and he probably thinks a war with Iran will cause the public to say that we cannot get rid of him in the time of war..

Facts to support??

None?? Of course not..

Why do you insist on spewing bullshit when you KNOW I will expose all your lies??

He was. Even the NY press understand why he kept the 'D' after his name. Money.

And another bullshit lie that you have NO FACTS to support..

Jesse Jackson honored Trump... Hillary and Bubba LOVED Trump..

That facts are against ya, my friend..

Wha... Glaciers aren't melting, sea levels aren't rising?

Not according to the predictions and models..

You're not looking. I think the latest ratio is 100:1 in favor of us cutting it out yesterday.

Then it should be easy to find me a SINGLE real scientist who says that humans have caused the planet's climate to change..

Go ahead.. Find me that scientist.. I'll be around...

:D

Obama was telling Putin that if he held off until after the election was over, Obama would agree to whatever they were discussing. Obama didn’t not need Putin to do anything to help him win his election, Obama just let him know it would not happen until after the election was over! How sad for you that Obama was still working on behalf of our country when he said this; unlike Trump who withheld money for his own personal gain!

They are reporting how Trump was running around Mar-Lard-Ass telling everyone that “something big was gonna happen soon” the day before the assassination of the Iranian general. He’s getting terrified about being impeached and facing criminal prosecution and he probably thinks a war with Iran will cause the public to say that we cannot get rid of him in the time of war...but President Pence will do just fine!

You gotta believe Trump will try to throw Pence under the bus if he is removed from office.

He was. Even the NY press understand why he kept the 'D' after his name. Money.

EVERY model and EVERY prediction made by Global Warming fanatics has been WRONG..

Wha... Glaciers aren't melting, sea levels aren't rising?

You cannot find a SINGLE scientist (at least a real one) that will say humans "made" the planet's climate change..

You're not looking. I think the latest ratio is 100:1 in favor of us cutting it out yesterday.

Only the "science" that you cherry pick...

As far as common sense??

EVERY model and EVERY prediction made by Global Warming fanatics has been WRONG.. WRONG.. WRONG..

Common sense tells us that if every model and every prediction is wrong, the theory is NOT sound..

For the science part, an ever-growing number of scientists have proven that it's man-made.

Bullshit..

You cannot find a SINGLE scientist (at least a real one) that will say humans "made" the planet's climate change..

Trump may be a moron, but one advantage he has is that his second-grade vocabulary scores a home run with very, very many people who hate that they don't really understand what most politicians are saying.

See, this is a perfect example of bigotry..

Why wasn't Donald Trump a moron when he had a -D after his name???

Your argument defies both science and common sense.

For the science part, an ever-growing number of scientists have proven that it's man-made. Years ago. The good news is, that it's seen now as a win-win for those countries that really do it (weren't you cheering for energy independance yesterday?).

As for the common-sense part, just look at what's happened to gas consumption today. It's not only possible, it's probable. Even with Trump in charge.

Yea.. ya'all keep making that claim.. But you have ZERO facts to back it up..

Whereas I have Obama's own words..

I suppose that now I'm gonna have to dig it all out AGAIN.

Yea, cuz that worked out so well the last time, eh? :D

Face reality..

Obama's own words are blatant, obvious and totally unambiguous..

Obama asked Putin for help to win his (Obama's) election...

In return, Obama promised Putin "flexibility" once Obama won his election..

Obama DELIVERED on that promise in The Crimea, the East European Missile Defense Shield...

These are the facts that are simple undeniable..

That's just ludicrous, which I've pointed out several times before. This time it has an innovation that assumes a quid pro quo, so you're gonna start the year with an unstoppable lie.
I suppose that now I'm gonna have to dig it all out AGAIN.

It's as ludicrous to say humans can control the planet's climate as it is to say that humans CAUSED the planet's climate to change..

Both claims illustrate the utter ignorance and arrogance of the Global Warming fanatics..

I'm no great lover of Obama, but the accusation you're making is ludicrous and entirely disconnected from the facts.

Except that it's not..

Obama asked Putin (Via Mendedev) for Putin to give Obama space (something of value) so that Obama could win his election..

In return, Obama promised to be flexible for Putin after he (Obama) won the election..

That is the FACTUAL account of what happened.

And that is EXACTLY what ya'all are accusing President Trump of..

Of course, there are no facts to PROVE it in President Trump's case, which is why it's not one of the charges in democrat's faux impeachment coup..

answer: even in this unlikeliest of scenarios, putin is being paid nothing to do nothing.

And, once again, yer wrong..

Putin was "paid" with flexibility..

Flexibility in the The Crimea..

Flexibility with Eastern Europe missile defense shield..

Now, if you want to make the claim that "No Pay = No Crime" then President Trump didn't do anything wrong because he didn't get any "pay" from Zelensky..

obama asked for nothing to be done and offered to do nothing in return.

Simply NOT factually accurate..

Obama asked for "space" which is, by ya'all's own definition, a thing of value..

Obama offered "flexibility" after Obama won his election..

And PAID UP on that promise in The Crimea and the East Europe Missile Defense Shield..

but... but... but... that's different? of course it's different. one is an offer of nothing for nothing, and couldn't possibly be proven.

And yet, it IS proven beyond ANY doubt with Obama's hot mic confession...

the other is an offer of something for something, and is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.

And yet, President Trump was not charged with that "crime"...

And the mealy-mouthed Article Of Impeachment that Pelosi DID pull out of her ass??? She is too afraid to send it to the Senate..

You can't win here, JL..

I have all the facts and all of the reality on my side..

There’s just one problem: it’s a myth. It is a myth just as it was a myth that Hillary Clinton was a good candidate against Trump. Biden is not, in fact, the pragmatic choice. He would not beat Trump. He would lose. And we must say this over and over again. Forget his flubs. Forget his finger-nibbling. Biden would be crushed by Trump. If you want Trump out of office, don’t support Biden.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/04/joe-biden-electable-trump-2020-election

It's sad in a way..

Joe Biden's legacy will be he was a thrice time luser as a presidential candidate..

That is what he is going to be remembered as.. :(

All his previous accomplishments (and there are many) will be forgotten..

And that's just sad..

Semantics...

The simple fact is this..

YOU claim that Humans have caused the climate to warm..

YOU claim that Humans should take action to to cool the climate..

THAT is control..

Humans cannot control the planet's climate.

You and I BOTH agree on that point.

So, quit whining and bitching about the changing climate..

The planet's climate is going to change regardless of what ignorant and arrogant humans (such as yerself) do or say..

Once again, you are responding to statements that differ from what I actually said.

Ya'all thinking that humans can actually CONTROL the planet's climate??

That's nothing but ignorant arrogance..

Notice the word “CONTROL” in bold....

I responded to your statement with:

Let’s see... how many people have made that claim on here....hmmmmmm...carry the three.....a GRAND TOTAL OF ZERO!

You replied that I was incorrect and I assume you were offering this as your proof:

As usual, you are factually full of kaa-kaa

"Man causes climate change"
-JM

“Control” and “cause” are two very different things.

You, as usual, are wrong!

Once again, you accuse the GOP of doing exactly what Democrats have done for the last 3 years..

As usual, you are factually full of kaa-kaa

"Man causes climate change"
-JM

Can we influence climate change? Damn right we can!

There are no facts to conclusively prove this.. The models that make the claim have NEVER been accurate.. The predictions that would support the claim have NEVER come to pass..