If Trump resigned tonight before Pelosi has sent the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate, he’d still be the third President to have been impeached while in office.

Yes, sir.

And if he fell to the ground, lost consciousness, and stopped breathing because his arteries slammed shut from years of abuse by his own tiny hands?

Still impeached... in perpetuity. :)

There has been no impeachment of President Trump until Pelosi sends the AOI and the House managers to the Senate..

Wrong. HR 755 is passed in the House, and Donald Trump is impeached in perpetuity. Done and done.

It's really THAT simple...

It's not my claim..

You've claimed it multiple times and claimed it is a fact... multiple times in multiple comment boxes. Are you so damn dumb that you're now going to claim that your claim is "not" your claim? That's pretty stupid. :)

President Trump has NOT been impeached by House Democrats...

Besides providing the continual proof that you possess none of the usual education that a so-called law enforcement officer would definitely have, you're proving without doubt that you'll grovel at the feet of any Democrat rep that agrees with your ridiculous right-wingnut fantasy drivel. *laughs*

Here, let me dumb it down for you even further. Impeachment is like an indictment handed down by a grand jury. Many times for many reasons, indictments are sealed from public view... yet the perp is no less indicted. Perp Trump was indicted/impeached in full public view, and there is nothing that any of the talking heads or gullible rubes can say that changes that fact.

Their case holds no facts. That is why they are afraid to send it to the Senate...

The United States House of Representatives of "We the People" voted on two separate articles in full public view which both passed and are formally known as House Resolution 755, wherein the President of the United States is impeached in perpetuity. Nothing you or anyone else says will change the FACT that Donald Trump was impeached by the People's House in HR 755 while a large portion of the world watched. Full stop.

Therefore, it would take a special kind of stupid that goes all the way down to the bone to believe the utterly nonsensical and ridiculous propaganda drivel that "they are afraid" to certify HR 755 by the Clerk of the House and deliver it to the U.S. Senate. That right-wingnut fantasy is just plain dumb... but not at all unlike the typical GOP wingnut bullshit regurgitated on cue daily. :)

But, only if the witnesses include Bolton, McVaney(sp) and/or the relevant OMB officials, okay?

It's really THAT simple...

It's not my claim..

It's the factual position of Democrats' own impeachment expert...

Yes, the Senate dictates to the House what Senate rules the House must follow..

Did you not pay attention in civics class in high school??

Not according to Democrats' own impeachment expert..

Johnson and Clinton were both acquitted during their trials, but they are still remembered as being impeached by the House.

BECAUSE Democrats followed the Constitutional rules and transmitted House articles to the Senate..

According to the Democrats' own impeachment witness, impeachment is an entire process, not a single vote..

According to Democrats' OWN expert, President Trump has NOT been impeached until the House sends the AOI and the managers to the Senate..

That's what the Democrats' OWN expert states...

President Trump has NOT been impeached by House Democrats...

Their case holds no facts. That is why they are afraid to send it to the Senate...

Once the House has impeached the president, the Senate shall set a date for trial and shall set a deadline for the House to present its managers to the Senate. If the House fails to meet that deadline, the Senate will either dismiss the articles of impeachment for lack of prosecution or, better yet, vote on the articles immediately in light of the evidence presented to it — in this case, no evidence.

You argue that the House does not have any say in the Senate’s rules for the trial, but you think that the Senate can dictate to the House what rules they must follow??? Seriously, how screwed up is this argument of yours!?!

You do not argue that you think that the president asking a foreign government to claim that they will investigate the President’s political opposition in an upcoming election is OK.

You (falsely) claim that Trump did the same thing that Biden had done when it came to putting a stipulation on Ukraine receiving our foreign aid; yet if that was true then why did you oppose Trump being fully investigated while demanding that Biden be investigated? If they both did the same wrong thing, then they both deserve the investigations. If Hunter Biden’s company had been under investigation by the Ukrainians; then you might have a point.

If it had not been our allies and our position that the Prosecutor needed to go, then there is NO WAY that you would accept the Trump excuse that this is about fighting corruption had Biden said it...because it literally WAS our country’s position and you still refuse to accept it for Biden, yet you think it works for Trump!?!?

Also, in your comments that the Senate decides what the trial

Ya'all know I am not shy about proving how utterly STOOPID Democrats are..

We know you are the forum fool and troll who lives in right-wingnut fantasy world wherein he believes everything he is spoon-fed and regurgitates back like a useful idiot. Yes, we do. :)

Democrats' Impeachment Report Exposes Weakness of Their Case
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/12/20/democrats_impeachment_report_exposes_weakness_of_their_case_142007.html

But even I didn't realize that Democrats were THIS stoopid!!!

You should read the bullshit you post. It almost never says what you claim it does. *laughs*

Ya'all know I am not shy about proving how utterly STOOPID Democrats are..

We know you are the forum fool and troll who lives in right-wingnut fantasy world wherein he believes everything he is spoon-fed and regurgitates back like a useful idiot. Yes, we do. :)

Democrats' Impeachment Report Exposes Weakness of Their Case
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/12/20/democrats_impeachment_report_exposes_weakness_of_their_case_142007.html

But even I didn't realize that Democrats were THIS stoopid!!!

So much for the claim that impeachment is a "sure thing"... :D

Oh, so you're back to your right-wingnut fantasy? Bless your heart, Bubba Trump; you are the living embodiment of ignorance being bliss. *laughs*

How very telling that you ignored what was at the real heart of my post!

You KNOW that your arguments rely on you tiptoeing around the semantics in order to make your point... and that is because your points are complete horse dung!

That’s why you ignore the majority of my post and go after the one part that you can attack as being just my opinion.

It’s funny, you love throwing out the argument that if Obama had done what Trump did, that we would be defending him against being impeached like you are defending Trump. Oddly enough, you never claim that you would be defending Obama if the scenario was reversed. You do not argue that you think that the president asking a foreign government to claim that they will investigate their

While the US Constitution (Article 1, Section 2) states that the House “shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.”.... Section 3 states that the Senate “shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.”

Unfortunately, the actual procedure is left vague and undefined..

Yes, it does say that. It's not complicated to understand.

However, since the US Constitution is vague on procedure, we turn to Senate Rules..

No, we don't turn to the Senate rules to de facto amend the United States Constitution just because the Trump Cult isn't happy with it. *laughs*

Once the House has impeached the president, the Senate shall set a date for trial and shall set a deadline for the House to present its managers to the Senate. If the House fails to meet that deadline, the Senate will either dismiss the articles of impeachment for lack of prosecution or, better yet, vote on the articles immediately in light of the evidence presented to it — in this case, no evidence.

What part of the House having the sole power to impeach has confused you? The Senate can't just overrule a Resolution of the People's representatives in the House just because they're upset and pissy about the will of We the People. The Senate can consider the Resolution when it is presented to them and not before. Also: Why would the Senate dismiss a House Resolution for lack of prosecution when the Senate is the prosecutor? Duh!

The Senate can't act on H. RES. 755 until it's received from the People's House. #SSDD

https://kids-clerk.house.gov/grade-school/lesson.html?intID=17

The link above contains procedural information that you might be able to understand since it's written for children.

And all Dumbocrats will be able to do is whine and cry and stamp their feet and hold their breath til they pass out..

Your proposal wherein the Senate dismisses a House Resolution before it's been presented to them is a laugh riot and says so much more about you than it does anyone else. I would wager it doesn't surprise anyone on this forum that you're "all in" for the Senate bowing down to Your Orange Worship and ceding their power by stating they'll work with the defendant's counsel during the trail, and you're additionally "all in" for the Senate who've ceded their power to the Executive Branch to be able to just dismiss the will of We the People's representatives in the House.

So you seem fine with a monarchy wherein Donald Trump and those spineless GOP who've ceded their power to him make all the decisions.

As an added bonus, Dumbocrats are left wallowing in their own shit of their own creation..

Nah... you're just full of shit up to your eyeballs. :)

Life is, indeed... Good.. :D

Ignorance is indeed... Bliss.. :D *laughs*

Once again... Fault? Logic? All Ears?? Perot...

"All ears" and obviously no brain.

Wasn’t sure that you had seen this, so I wanted to make sure you didn’t miss an opportunity to apologize for being wrong when you said I was lying.

[43] Michale wrote:
You claimed to have been in law enforcement for over 25 years...

Once again, a bullshit claim of something I said that I never did..

Live with that, dipshit..

I am the liar?

God, you are easy to manipulate into proving that you are a liar!

DESPITE OVER 2 AND A HALF DECADES IN THE FIELD...sure looks like that is what you said to everyone here!

“Once again, you are a liar... So live with that dipshit”??? Seriously, everyone here could start using this to end every conversation with you.

One positive thing you can take away from this... the knowledge that your lack of credibility really has nothing to do with your party affiliation, after all.

On the other hand, will anyone be surprised if Trump completely self-destructs before then?

This nicely points up why fake debates - as we have seen so far - are not the best way to judge a Democratic presidential candidate. Not by a long shot.

This is puzzling … because Biden was right on Afghanistan opposing the surge but Obama didn't listen to him.

Biden sounded the most comfortable of anyone on the stage when it came to foreign affairs, which makes sense because he does indeed have a lot of personal experience in this regard. It's a vice president's job to do a lot of world traveling, and Biden could say things like "I know Bibi well" when talking about Israel -- something nobody else on the stage could say. But he didn't have much of an answer for the surge in Afghanistan, when he was Obama's veep

Actually, the bulk of Biden's foreign policy expertise and relationships with foreign leaders predate his vice presidency. In fact, Biden's foreign policy chops is why he was Obama's right hand man, after all.

Of course you can..

But it's based on NOTHING but your hatred of President Trump...

The outcome of the Senate trial, or even if the trial occurs or not, has no impact on whether Trump was impeached...he was. Johnson and Clinton were both acquitted during their trials, but they are still remembered as being impeached by the House.

Shouldn’t that be INNOCENT OF ALL CRIMINAL CHARGES UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW, because I can think of plenty of things that Trump is guilty of that aren’t necessarily criminal???

But if you truly believe what you are asking the rest of us to accept as true, then I know a great way for you to prove your sincerity.... just acknowledge the following as being FACTUAL and the TRUTH...

Hillary Clinton was innocent AND exonerated for using her personal email server to send classified emails.

You shot/killed* an innocent woman if we are to believe your use of semantics.

This is why your insistence for playing these games with semantics in order to defend Trump are so obvious and laughable to everyone who has spent any time on here.

* - Michale did not say that he killed the woman when he first told me this story on June 12, 2016, but he did so during a conversation some time later. Unfortunately, while I did copy the portions of our conversation where he claims she died, I did not include the time stamp for that conversation to offer as concrete evidence that the conversation actually occurred. That is why I chose to use “shot/killed” instead of just “killed”.

If any of this ever occurred is questionable given Michale’s history on here, but I didn’t want to be guilty of claiming something that I could not provide evidence to defend my statements.

Democrats' Impeachment Report Exposes Weakness of Their Case
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/12/20/democrats_impeachment_report_exposes_weakness_of_their_case_142007.html

But even I didn't realize that Democrats were THIS stoopid!!!

But if the House never sends the articles, then Trump could say with strong justification that he was never actually impeached. And that’s probably not the message Congressional Democrats are hoping to send.

Once again... The FACTS show how badly Democrats have scrooed up... :D

They can't even send a message properly... :D

So much for impeachment being a "sure thing"... :D

Constitutionally speaking, what is a "fair" trial in the Senate??

Whatever the Senate says is "fair" is "fair"...

House Dumbocrats have absolutely NO SAY in the matter...

The more facts that come out the stoopider Democrats look... :D

Trump Isn’t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate

According to the Constitution, impeachment is a process, not a vote.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-delay-could-be-serious-problem-for-democrats

Stoopid to the last brain cell!! :D

If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say he wasn’t truly impeached at all.”
-Democrat Impeachment Witness Noah Feldman

I swear, Democrats could screw up an iron football!!! :D

Pelosi’s problem: Dems' own witness says Trump not truly impeached unless articles go to Senate

A Harvard law professor, who also served as a Democrat-called impeachment witness, answered with a resounding “no” in a column that speaks to the deep dilemma House Speaker Nancy Pelosi faces as she sits on two articles of impeachment against President Trump.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosis-problem-dems-own-witness-says-trump-not-truly-impeached-unless-articles-go-to-senate

....Democrats FAIL to impeach President Trump..

BBBBBWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So much for the claim that impeachment is a "sure thing"... :D

This is an undeniable fact..

And that's the difference between myself and most of ya'all..

I almost always traffic in undeniable objective FACT...

With most of ya'all it's subjective "truth" and "wish-casting" etc etc...

And do you keep repeating that “Trump is INNOCENT of all charges..” to fool yourself?

President Trump **IS** innocent of all charges..

This is an undeniable fact..

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW..

President Trump is completely and utterly INNOCENT of all charges...

And, considering how badly Pelosi has frak'ed things up, it's looking like President Trump will REMAIN innocent of all charges in perpetuity... :D

Isn't America grand!!!??? :D

Well, until the Senate receives the AOI, they cannot “simply dismiss the charges out of hand”.

Wanna bet??? :D

No matter HOW ya wanna shake this out, my friend..

You and your fellow Democrats will LOSE... :D

Ya'all KNEW ya'all would lose at the outset..

Ya'all losing is the ONLY WAY POSSIBLE this whole thing could go..

But ya'all's hate and bigotry blinded ya'all to everything except your fanatical desire to nullify a free, fair, legal and Constitutional election..

And now ya'all will pay the price.. President Trump til Jan 2025...

It really is THAT simple.....

The solution for President Trump and the GOP and the American people (who are getting sick and tired of Dumbocrat antics and shit-throwing)......

"You know, if you give food to monkeys all they do is throw their shit at each other.."
-Pagan Min, FAR CRY 4

...... is really quite elegantly simple..

While the US Constitution (Article 1, Section 2) states that the House “shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.”.... Section 3 states that the Senate “shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.”

Unfortunately, the actual procedure is left vague and undefined..

Words like "unprecedented" are bandied about a lot, but Pelosi's actions are truly unprecedented and her actions shows the half-assed, slap-dashed, used-car salesman Democrat approach to this "solemn duty" they claim they have undertaken "reluctantly".. 'Reluctantly', my left arse cheek.. Dumbocrats have been chomping at the bit to do this every since President Trump wiped the floor with Hillary Clinton...

However, since the US Constitution is vague on procedure, we turn to Senate Rules..

It would take a simple majority vote for McConnell to create a new Senate Rule..

Once the House has impeached the president, the Senate shall set a date for trial and shall set a deadline for the House to present its managers to the Senate. If the House fails to meet that deadline, the Senate will either dismiss the articles of impeachment for lack of prosecution or, better yet, vote on the articles immediately in light of the evidence presented to it — in this case, no evidence.

And all Dumbocrats will be able to do is whine and cry and stamp their feet and hold their breath til they pass out..

President Trump is exonerated and vindicated and completely INNOCENT and this country moves on..

As an added bonus, Dumbocrats are left wallowing in their own shit of their own creation..

Life is, indeed... Good.. :D

Once again... Fault? Logic? All Ears?? Perot...